CFB Week 1 Chaos With Andy Staples, Western Michigan HC Lance Taylor, Who's Back Of The Week + Max Is Back From His Honeymoon With Gifts

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And the last time we recorded, we recorded on Thursday afternoon, the chaos began right away with UMass beating Rutgers. Greg Siano might be on his last leg. That was a sad day for the birthplace of college football. Might be the deathplace of college football. That was just a shit pumping. Sad sad scenes in Piscataway. Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't just a situation where it's like, oh, plucky underdogs, you know, wins with a with a walkoff field goal or something crazy happens. No, it was UMass just like kicking the shit out of Rutgers. They I think I saw the stat. They were own 12 last season, did not score 21 plus on any FBS opponent. They scored 24 on the first four drives against Rutgers on Thursday night. They also are now the second biggest paycheck that a team has had to give to an opponent in a loss. $1.5 million Rutgers paid UMass for UMass to come into Piscataway and win the football game. Only second to Auburn paying New Mexico State in 2023 and losing 3110. That's crazy. Jackie appeals going to have a big purse to collect at the next benefit conference. That's going to be nuts. Yes. Oh, yeah. That was a that was a tough day for Rutgers. I have no doubt that as a chanelman, you always bounce back from that sort of thing. Chop wood. Chop wood. You just got a chopper. I think you got a chop harder. I don't think that they're chopping hard enough. But then we go from that to the book into the weekend Florida States playing right now as we're recording this show against SMU. They just kicked off. There's no clock in the stadium. The communication has to be via sign language. Yep. From the sidelines. You would have been perfect for this. It was this is an incredible theater. This is why we love college football because you get you get you know, some premiere matchups and there's massive budgets being spent on it by the biggest networks. And then sometimes it all comes down to the fact that somebody in Tallahassee drove drunken to a transformer next to the stadium and now nobody can watch football. Zach, you never I never asked you this, but you did the sign language for Camp Arstool for the national anthem. How do you know sign language? I strictly know patriotic. So I only know the anthem right now. I asked Zach to learn the sign language for the national anthem. Okay. I thought it was like, oh my cousin was deaf and so I learned sign language at a young age. No, no, we can't do a small talk. But if they had patriotic signs on the sidelines, we could we communicate those. Okay. So yeah, we the chaos of college football. It was on full display at the big house on saturday night. I'd say that was the biggest story. Western Michigan, which we have coach Lance Taylor on the show because we figured they should have gotten the shine. They basically won the game. And then there was a second left. And Michigan walks away, one and oh, Bryce Underwood looked so bad, so so bad. He is the quarterback for Michigan right now, according to Kyle Wittingham, which that has got to be the worst feeling ever. The right now is just the most loaded right now. It's saying everything. I saw he's a quarterback right now. I liked everybody made it Dave for like getting Bryce Underwood on campus. Yeah. That's the good and the bad that you have to take if you're Dave and you've got Larry Ellison's money that's being spent and then people blame you or applaud you for people that you get to sign with Michigan. Correct. But he looked like so overmatched from the get go from the there were some games last year where he looked awesome. Like it was worth every penny of the investment. There were some where he looked bad. This looked just as bad as any game that he played last year. Yeah. And this is why I was not super high on Michigan. Obviously, it's a long season. They could figure it out or they could switch quarterbacks, which it feels like could happen during the Oklahoma game this Saturday. But Michigan, I mean, Bryce Underwood just he is mechanics everything. It just the offense. Like Western Michigan looked like the more physical team and kind of took it to him and that that interception at the end of the half. The first half was just so so bad. But they win. And I as Matt is, I mean, we all were texting when it happened. It was shocking. I don't know if you guys had the same feeling, but when they put the second back on, I was like, this is only going to end in one way. And it just felt like it was going to happen. And it just like, you can't look Michigan won the game. There's like you can't go back and change it. I think we all felt like we were robbed in the moment, but which Michigan's won and oh, and you can't, you know what I mean? Like it is what it is. Well, I learned about it because I was on Twitter and I tweeted something out at the end of the game. I forget what it was. Just some like normal observation about what what a terrible loss it was for Michigan. And then the timeline just started to fill with oh my god. Oh my god. Yeah. Because I think a lot of people out there, they had, they had moved on from that game. Yeah. You see zero, zero on the clock. You see the, the coaches going out to midfield to shake hands. And that caught me by surprise. There's nothing you can do about it now. This does feel like it robbed all of it, especially robbed Western Michigan fans and obviously the, the actual team selves, but like being a student at that university and getting deprived of an all-time party night, where it's like this is the stuff like Appalachian say when they beat Michigan. Yeah. In that game. What a, that's a night that they'll remember for the rest of their lives. Like anybody that roots for that team, it got, it got ripped away and it sucks and watching all the different camera angles. I understand. So the official explanation from the big 10, I understand what exactly what they're saying in that there is a secret clock that we did not get to see on TV. And on that secret clock, there was actually an extra second left when you look at this one player jumping with his foot out of bounds at the back of the end zone and then probably touching the ball. That means that there is a second left, we can replay the down. The thing is like, we didn't know about the secret clock going into it. And they tell all the referees and every league. Now, this is according to Mike Pereira. They tell all the referees in the NFL and the UFL and his understanding in college football as well. If there is a discrepancy between what is being shown on TV and what you have in your own secret clock, go with the number that millions of people are looking at. So there's no conspiracy that gets developed by the scenes. They opted not to do that and go with the secret clock. And yeah, that's it's a bad way of doing things. It sucks. And it's not even like the party night. It's Western Michigan as a program. They've never been a top 20 team. The way that like being a Western Michigan in a state with Michigan, it's, you know, they take up all the oxygen. They are the the premiere program both nationally and statewide. So like the pride that you would get off of a win like that. It sucks. It sucks. I feel bad for the back. I feel bad for Western Michigan. But again, it's, it's kind of similar to the, uh, Saints Rams, NFC championship game. Like in the moment, you, everyone should be complaining. If it's two days later and you're still like, that's not right. I don't know. I don't know what to say. Like it's, we've moved on. They're one and no. Yeah, but it's one and no. It was a little ridiculous putting out like the, the one and no, like videos of them, like celebrating on the field and stuff and Bryce. Bryce Underwood doing the, the, the, the jaw out, like I just did that. Dude, you played like shit. The storming of the field by Michigan fans. That was, uh, it was an interesting choice. I understand that Michigan fans are probably excited. They went from losing to having like an improbable win. I get that. It was just, yeah, that time in a place, I guess it didn't feel right in the moment. But yeah, it's, um, it's not going to change. But I also don't, I'm not going to blame Western Michigan fans if they do carry this grudge. Oh, yeah. For years like the Saints do. Yeah. Did you see the, uh, stat hole, stat hole sports stat? No. He's, he found 175 college football field storm since 2019. No team had a satir storm field in Michigan as 27 and a half point favorites, uh, in, you know, in the last 175 field storms. Yeah. Very sad. I'm sad. I see this is a problem because I am very much pro, pro field and court storming. But this one was, yeah, you can't, I mean, you can't do this one. You gotta have a sense of the moment. As you say, they were 27 and a half point favorites. All right. All right. Would you guys think about the statement that the big 10 put out? Notably the font that they chose. Yeah. In the statement that they put out the goose bumps. Yeah. Yeah. It looked like the back of a shitty book. Yeah. Or like a, uh, like a 1994 Brockheimer joint. Yeah. There's like a, uh, a PR release from Stranger Things. And it happened after everyone went to bed. It was like one in the morning. I woke up and saw it and I was like, all right. Fine. You guys came up with a, a way to, to tell us this was fine. It's, I mean, it's bullshit. It is. No, I agree. The whole, like, if it was western Michigan, if, if roles reverse, western Michigan's not getting a second back on the clock. That's what I'm saying. And it's, it's technically, if everything they're telling us about the secret clock is true, it's technically the right call. That said, there's no chance in hell that they would have spent that much time trying to find a second for western Michigan to throw another pass. Oklahoma, if they had the ball, there's zero chance. Oklahoma is, uh, is playing for not just Oklahoma, but they're playing for Kalamazoo as well on Saturday. Because like, if Michigan somehow beat Oklahoma, then, then it's like, fuck, this is the, what, what's going to happen here? Yeah. There's going to start. And I, I do think they're probably going to change quarterbacks. The price underwater is bad. It's, it's a crazy world because it is, it's so different now where it's like in the years past, you could bench a sophomore quarterback, who sucks, but now it's like, hey, this is sophomore quarterback. He paid $10 million. I mean, is there any amount of that, that, that, that's karma? Like, is this the football God's rewarding Michigan for doing the right thing and moving on from a bad situation last year and saying, Hey, we're Michigan, man, we're better than this. Strong more. You're out. You're out. At the second we found out anything on toward what's happening. We, we moved on as Michigan, man. Now, you know, the small things add up and now you get smiled upon by the gods. Yeah, true. Kyle Woodingham looked like he was like almost apologetic after the game to land staler on the, on the field. I think part of that was like, Hey, I'm, wait, I'm coaching at a place that people will go out of their way to try to help you win. Yeah. Like that's crazy. Sick. All right, other big stories. I mean, I don't know what you, which ones you guys want to hit. There's a bunch, but I thought like the impressive games, I mean, Georgia played nobody, but they were impressive. Texas played nobody. Ohio State with the pressure of senior night, winning against ball state was something special. That was, that was really, really nice. It was touching senior night. I didn't know this was happening until it, it was like occurring. This is crazy by Ohio State. Is it not like they're basically saying we don't want to have senior night be Michigan. Like just, why did you do it week one? Why not do it the second, the third, the last week of the season against Northwestern? Nothing is crazy to me anymore in college football, but that, but like to, to, you're basically saying we're scared of like having it be the big game. Maybe it's that you don't want to make no sense. Maybe, maybe you don't want to have your seniors. Like it's not their night when it's also the biggest night that you have, the biggest day that you have. Yeah. Well, I think they sent something like like after the game, there's been situations where it, you know, it's, you know, we had the incident a couple of years ago. Like we don't want it to take away from the scene. It's just a crazy move. Ball State week one senior night. Yeah. We week one is crazy. I do understand what Max. I think week one makes more sense than like the third to last week. Well, no, I mean, I'm saying like this. If you, if you're saying, hey, we can't do it for the Michigan game because it's just something that's just totally different and separate under itself. Do it the last home game before that, which would be Northwestern. Like, but senior night, though, should be, it should be cold weather. It should people should be in coats. Like you can't do senior night when it's 100 degrees out against balls. I think I think it should be the Michigan game. It should be your last game on that field. Yes. But I think I do think that there's more like there's something more sentimental about your first game of your senior season against ball state. But it's still like this is the last season I'm going to be on this field means more than like the middle random game. It wouldn't be middle. It'd be the last second or last home game. Yeah, but that that way you're, you're literally just saying I'm scared of doing it against Michigan. Well, they're still doing it now. But I think there's something more about going on in the field for your first game and your senior season than your middle of the pack game. The nice thing about doing a week one is you everybody's healthy. And you will ice like all the players. That's true. They're all like nobody's wearing like the the letterman jacket in a walking boot going after where their parents. Yeah, they're all in good shape looking forward to the season. I mean, they were trying to twist. It'd been like it's easier easier game for all the parents to travel to come on. Why? Why would that be easier for them? Well, like because it's ball state. There's no there's no like all the hotels are not taken up in shit. Right. I guess. But that if you're if you're starting to have that conversation, you've already lost in terms of the mental warfare. It's it's very bizarre what's going on between the two teams because remember Kyle Woodingham said you don't have to hate your rival. Yeah, are they still doing like does it have to be a senior that's been there for longer than one year? I don't know for senior night. Or is it like a transfer can come in and they get senior night? I assume senior night at this point is just for the guys who aren't even playing. They're just the walk-ons who have been there in the program for four or five years. Yeah, if you've been in the same program now in college football for five years, there's a reason. Yeah. Okay, Oregon looked not great against Boise. That might be more credit to Boise being tougher than we thought. But that was that was a game that was, you know, like, oh, shit, there were, you know, there's a couple games that everyone was like, Oh, man, what's going on here? Michigan obviously was a big one. The Oregon Boise State game was was a big one. Baylor Auburn was one of the worst watches possible, except, I mean, the end was exciting. And that tackle at the goal line was incredible. But that game was tough to watch. Yeah, also kind of like weirdly fun in a way. No, I thought that it wasn't fun at all for like the majority of it. It was really bad. There was just Byron Brown had three interceptions. It was, it was, it was like, it was exciting for the last like three minutes. I like some good bad football sometimes though. This was really bad. It's still football is what I tell myself. Yeah, I thought more look really good for Oregon. I thought, you know, despite the fact that they struggle a little bit, I thought he played awesome. There should be a lot of people excited about him. Boise State, I do think it's a difference. Like Boise State is just a good team. Yeah, they're one of the best. Yeah, there's an Oregon's going into it. Like there's got to be something to be said for just coming into a season with like all the pressure in the world. And everyone been like, you're the most loaded roster. You feel like you can't make mistakes. Yep. We had Miami do the opposite where Malachi Tony was just had the nerds and hell had Stanford guys tackling each other. They look so fucking good. I know it's Stanford. So we don't know like we after week one, you can't really make any definitive claims, but Malachi Tony is just so much fun to watch. So, so much fun to watch. Wisconsin got fucking buried in the second half against Notre Dame. Notre Dame looks really good. I thought they came out and like I was very excited for the first half because it was the first time I've seen the Badgers look physical like that. The punt in the fourth quarter was was troubling and depressing. That part that part bummed me out when you're down 21 in your punting. It's like dude, just we just got to go for it. But that one like offensive weapon punt that they had earlier than they got. Oh, that's that's classic Big 10 football. Incredible punt. Was that like a 65-yard punt down to East? 80 yards down inside the one yard line took a crazy bounce. Yeah, I was I'm excited I would say I walked away from the game against the other name being more excited for the season than I've been in years Past after the first couple of weeks, but still realizing like there's just such a different level to what the top 5-10 teams are playing at Versus where my team is at right now, and that's okay. We just got to keep building But at least we're physical and we stopped the run for a half The other one was the LSU. LSU just Absolutely took Clemson to the woodshed and we're gonna talk about it more with with Andy, but Davos I don't know what you do now like he's this is this is rock bottom for Clemson This is a this is a team that just a few years ago was was beating the best teams in college football in a regular basis Like they were the best team in college football. Yeah, best coach team some of the best recruiting Davos was Arguably the top coach in college football is like him Nick Sabin for a few years there It's like they had some battles back and forth and Clemson had their number a little bit And now it seems like Davos just I don't I don't know something something's got to change. It's it was it was pathetic Would they they could not move the ball they they just had I mean the fact they were up three nothing obviously from a tip Interception to start the game, but Lane Kiffin had a hell of a day. He's if you I got to say this and I know that we're bias Because we like Lane Kiffin. We like LSU If you can't like sit back and laugh about Lane Kiffin just being the greatest troll in College football, which is a sport that is like Perfect for trolls and perfect for drama like starting the day doing the tiger walk with Theo Vaughn and Livy Dunn and who is the other person Brooks Nader? Yeah throwing a marker off a kid's head You see that you see him signing the football just scribbling and just tossing it back at him Then saying imagine if we had NFL players the holly road halftime then fucking you know yelling at his team at halftime being like We're not taking our foot off the gas and fucking screaming at them and winning 51 to 10 He's perfect for college football. You can't you you can't like not love what Lane Kiffin brings to college football If you want some some drama some quotes some realness he is all of that and he coached He's a really god damn good coach and he beat the fuck out of Clemson Do you think that Lane Kiffin was actually gonna get NFL players on the roster? Do you think that's something that he wanted to do? Yes, you do I because the court ruled in his favor and he said No, I'm not gonna do it for this game. Well, yeah, but the SEC was threatening them. So that's why they didn't do it I think Lane Kiffin is the type of guy who will is maniacal and will look for any edge until he's told he can Which I don't know how you could blame him for that like he's he's going to push the boundaries as far as they possibly can go Then the SEC comes in and says if you do this we're gonna kick you out of the league and he's like all right fine I won't do it, but like it but I think he hadn't said that he probably would have done it I also think that after they said that and then the ruling came after he was he liked the idea that other coaches might be Preparing for some of those guys right and of course he wasn't like going to give that up But yeah, he's obviously a great coach great He and people forget like LSU Lane Kiffin can run the football like they score a short load of points But LSU's running game this year so far looks to be like a massive improvement over how you remember What game was it last year were Brian Kelly was like oh, we couldn't run the football. Well then last last game one He didn't watch the last series then yeah, where it was a you know, basically game over and just kind of run the clock out But yeah, LSU they are I think with the way that Sam Levitt played You have to imagine they are definitely a team that can win the national championship To answer your question about Lane Kiffin like what if Bell check did this in the pros? Everyone would be like that's just Bell check out smarting him like he's just a guy looking for edges And until you tell him you can't do that. He's gonna keep doing it Which I kind of respect. He's like I'm gonna push the belt I'm gonna do it until someone says I can't and then when they say I can't find I won't but I'll make a joke about it Mm-hmm, and I like that All right, what other we had the apple cup which was depressing the fact the apple cup played And in the first week of the season Washington Washington state You know, they they they were struggling, but they stayed in the game and That you know having any type of rivalry game. I just hope that it stays I'm trying to think what other games. Oh Ole Miss Ole Miss just continues. They basically just did an extension of their Playoff run in that they were just playing the most exciting ridiculous games Yeah, the first half was boring and the second half was just like oh we forgot we're gonna play in a shootout and Louisville was game for the shootout back big play back and forth and they went win with a walkoff field You know, let's get our ass against the wall and then see what Trinidad can do right that was kind of and you know It's like watching a playoff game right now. You know, that's an awesome way to play football, and I love watching it Yeah, all right. I'm trying to think what other any other Penn State look good by the way max Do we oh James Franklin an apology? For it seems to me that James Franklin was doing a pretty good job of not bending the knee to all the Penn State alum being like we need to be celebrating Joe Pa because The Joe Pa stuff is back and if it doesn't it feels like not a coincidence. It's when James Franklin left I don't know anything about the Joe Pa stuff Oh, okay, what's your statement on Joe Pa? You've never addressed oh, no, oh, no now the Jim Franklin's gone. You can feel free to speak your mind. I Don't know what we're talking about. Yeah, you know what's going on. What's going on? This is exactly what got Joe Pond. Yeah, I don't know what that is. Oh, baby. You told me about it You said you didn't know. I have nothing to do with anything. He told Hank his opinion and then Hank did not forward that to us So I don't I don't know your what's going on. What's going on? What is that? There's a man there's a Joe Pa like interactive Experience now that has been debuted. They also had just putting on a blindfold. Yeah, they they did a The the new state. I think they did a renovation at Beaver Stadium and section 409 is a different color than all the other ones Signifying his 409 wins It just feels like James Franklin. Maybe was doing a good job being like hey guys We we got it. We got to stop with the Joe Pa stuff. Let's look forward here. Yeah, Matt Campbell's like hey you have money Oh, you need me to just say Joe Poe was was right. Okay, fine You know, I got you would that be would that be the ultimate piece of memorabilia to acquire here at Barsville I said it before Joe. I want to I want the Joe. Where is that you said? Yeah, it's my one more. I'll put it in the front The the conversations you'd have to have afterwards Would be so awkward like imagine PCA walks in. He's like is that is that Joe paternal? Like that's the statue He probably walks back out, but at least it would be a fun interaction. We should get him and we should have him just Facing the wall. So he's always looking the other way. Yeah. Yeah Send it to us. They won't let's go back out. No, it's it's 100% going back up I would I would love to I would love to make a bet on that at some point. It is going back up. It is going back I think I think they've been in 10 years. It'll go back. I'd say five. I'm willing to I'm willing to say More than five less than 10 will you be visiting it? I mean, I'll go to I won't be like seeking it out, but I'm sure but you will you you have eyes on the Joe Pasta at you at some point in your life Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm willing to I'm willing to say 100% which crazy is that Max and Hank's we are video was really the catalyst That got James Franklin fired which might be the reason why the statue comes back that you guys video doesn't even exist Max brought back the Joe Pasta at you You're welcome. You're welcome. You're welcome. Oh God. Oh, man. I'd say look good though. Yeah, they did they did It takes me four weeks to know the players on it's it's too hard. It's too hard. It's tough and it's also like again week one Outside of like a couple of games. Everyone should look good. Right. That's what week one is four. Mm-hmm Everyone should show up and look good Colin coward has USC's number one team in the country now does he after beating Fresno and San Jose State? Yeah, there are two two big foes Two two and oh seen enough. I do think USC's gonna be pretty good. Yeah, I also I will say the Alabama's quarterback is electric I watch some of that game and he is He is I know is ECU so who knows if like the speed difference but from from from the first from the first looks of it I was like yes, I'm in did you college football quarterback you see Tennessee and their their new tradition that I hope they're starting I think it might be just a one off, but I think they're going to make it all season long. What is it? Dolly Parton. I think it's either halftime or before the fourth quarter. Everybody in the stadium sings. I will always love that It is cool. It's pretty cool. I like that. Yeah, that is cool. That'd be funny if they're getting just smoked That's tough. That'd be tough. That actually, yes, that'd be great. Yeah, I mean listen, I Like I'm at the point now where I think the badgers have to like stop jump around until We like start winning games because like when you jump or in your down 20. It's not fun. That's not a fun thing to do. It's a fun jump. You just need to, you need to have time in place with some of these things. Yeah. It's like if it's a one-score game, let's fucking go. If it's a blowout, it's hard to jump around. It just is. You just got to be honest with him. I was, I was at Tennessee. This is probably 2015. They lost a big game early in the year against Notre Dame. And there's like, double or triple overtime. And the scene on campus after, like, because, you know, when everyone sings Rocky Top, you like have to sing along if you're a Tennessee fan. And it was, like at bars, people, it was the funniest, saddest, like, good old Rocky Top. It was, it was so, so sad funny. The saddest, the saddest Rocky Top ever, but people couldn't, couldn't not sing it. Yeah. But they were, everyone was just so defeated. Having those traditions that start before the fourth quarter, you're right. You get into some, you can find yourself in a sad spot, like if the Steelers play a sad renegade. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and then you, then you run the risk of kind of losing the magic of that song in the first correct, like all other times that you play it in a close game, you're just reminded of a time that you were getting your ass kicked. Yeah. The swamp don't back down if you're getting just smoked. Yeah. You're backing down. Yeah. Big time. It's good to have college football back memes. You, uh, you spend all weekend glued to the television. Do you have any other things that we miss? Because I, I love the memes. I know you didn't. Did you leave your house on Saturday? On Saturday. No. Oh, love that. Sunday. Sunday. I got some error. Fucking love that. It was the perfect weather all weekend. Perfect. It's like legit. Like, like, like, Sunday might have been the best weather day ever. Yeah. And today was pretty good to do. Yeah. So what, what did you, uh, any, any other big, big notes? Uh, no other big notes. I thought it was just a loss for the big 10 overall. I wasn't that impressed with it. Yeah. I mean, Oregon struggled and Michigan. Like, that was those are two notable big 10 didn't look great. But based on every preview we had, I thought it was just top to bottom. They were going to smoke everybody. Yeah. That didn't happen. SEC went undefeated, uh, for the first time since I'm not sure, but SEC's bad. That's a good stat. Good stat. He's been really good stat from the first time since, I don't know when since probably a long time, probably a long time. Good stat. That's a really, really good stat. Do you see SIG's handshake by the way? Still the same. Yep. Dead fish. Yep. Josh Hoover looked like a, I mean, that's a football guy who's just leaking blood everywhere. Yeah, that was cool. We were down in Bloomington. The, the fans were, were pumped. That was awesome to see. Yeah. Um, UCLA late game. Yeah. That was great. I, I love watching, um, uh, how do you say his name? Sagatelli. Yeah. Um, from Cal. He's a fun quarterback to watch. And that was just a great game between a Cal and UCLA after dark. Uh, yeah, you just, you can just say JKS. Yeah. JKS. Sagatelli. Um, but yeah, that was, it was a great, great day of college football. It really was. It's, it's, it's perfect. I'm so glad that it's back. I hope we don't get ever get to a point where, um, because I think this probably is going to happen with the NFL eventually going to 18 games. Is it, is it next year? No, they didn't say it. I hope we don't get to a point though that NFL goes on Labor Day weekend, because I do love that we get to get back into football with just all eyes on college football for one weekend. Yeah. It was nice. It was great. It eases us back in and we have more, we've all the football in front of us right now. It did feel weird having LSU not lose that game in heartbreaking fashion though. Yeah. Only one last year against Clemson. It just seemed, that's true. Yeah. That was, that was one, we're last year. It's like, wow, uh, what a good game. Maybe both these things will be great. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh, let's do a quick ad read them. We'll talk about other things going on in the sports world. Uh, draft Kings. The weight is over. Football is here. And so is draft Kings, draft Kings sports app is now live in all 50 states. That means from Texas to California to Florida. Every fan is in on the excitement. 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Is he like three days worth of close? He's just said he's close. Okay, I hope he's like really I hope he's closer than he thinks. Get closer closer and closer. I said at the uh what's that? Which one? Oh that was why he's trending. Okay. Brable moved on with the follow-up ripples around the NFL. Who wrote that story? Oh is that a Don Van Nade? No it's been Strauss. No he's been on it. Yeah. You never want to see the Don Van Nade joint. No you're always in trouble if Don Van Nade is reporting on you. Um I too was starting. Is that the most like I guess the Sean would also be a very free give up. Yeah it really isn't much to get you pumped. I liking it too because everyone's seeing right now shout out to AWLs who tweeted us they did to decide their fantasy draft order. They did a cigarette race who can smoke a cigarette fast enough or faster. And that was cool. But we see a lot of the fantasy punishments. Having to start to like announce to is your starter to begin an NFL season in 2026, that feels like a fantasy punishment. Wait if you're just a fansky. Yeah. Like he losses. And they're like you won't like all right dude. It's a fansky. Hear your options. You can sit in McDonald's for 24 hours or you can start to. Yeah for every interception that he throws that takes an hour off. Have fun. Or waffle house. He's in Atlanta now. I don't know if two of two of maybe like throws one touchdown to Kyle Pitts. I'll probably be all the way back to the left hand. He just has to do one cool thing. And I'm like fuck man. This guy. I'm a I'm a two and on through and through. That's it. It just seems like that was he waited to the last second. Just hoping against hope that there'd be a magical advancement in medical technology. Yeah. He'd be able to start panics. Panics. Um. Goodell was extended. Really happy for the guy. It's gonna run till he's like 70. It's probably getting paid $70 million a year. What is his salary now? 65 mil annually. He's going to be getting that is so much fucking money. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So this. Um. So he gets paid more than the highest paid quarterback. Yes. It's going to run through March 31st, 2031. At that point. Goodell will have 25 seasons as commissioner under his belt. And he will be 72 years old. How is he a billionaire? Gotta be. Probably not. I don't think so because how much money was he making? Well, how long has he been? He's been commissioned for 25 years, you said? Yeah. Well, at the end, he will be. He was making 40 million, I think. So I think he's around 20 seasons. All right. So, but you forget Big Cat. Since he's involved in sports, there's taxes. Sure. Oh, yeah. So he's not a billionaire. Not a billionaire. Unless 100 million. Unless he has secret. Not a broke boy. Unless he has secret equity. That'd be. That'd be crazy. If Cadillac stayed commissioner long enough that he became richer than all the owners and just did a fucking uno-reversal and ends as a commissioner and buys a team. Yeah. He's like, gotcha boys. Oh, Jerry Jones, think you're going to push me around. Guess what? Read what you've been paying me for the last 50 years. Maybe I'm a billionaire now. So, so Jerry just said the other day, there's no succession plan in place. Okay. Just one day he won't show up. That would be very funny. If wait for Jerry or goodell? No, for Jerry. Okay. Yeah. If if Jerry just passes the Cowboys down to a goodell. That also that's that's got a sock being one of Jerry Jones's kids being like that. Could you just at least say it and then you can say it so we don't have to fight over it? Change the will. Yeah. Yeah. He just gives it Tony Romo. Yeah. That would be cool. That would be great. That's like my the son I never had. Yeah. You made it Tony. Thank you. I wish. Steve and I wish you could throw the ball like Tony. Okay. Other others. Oh, James got a two year deal. Congrats. James pumped for him. He's he how many games James wins are going to play this year? Not rooting for injuries. Not only but realistically. Realistically, I would say I'm going to put James down for three starts. I was going to say three as well. Three starts would be good. Which will be fun. The league is a better place when James is starting football. It truly is. And I also think that James right now It should be the first call that anybody makes if they have a starter a non to a starter. Yeah, that they need actually think about that big cat James on the Falcons That would be cool think how fun that was a fan ski could knows how to use it. They got like all first round pics anyways That'll be fucking awesome get James down there That would be so sick from the south the Did you guys see the clip of Kyle Shanahan not understanding time zones? Yeah, we should play that clip because it's very relatable extremely relatable. This is a conversation that it sounds like we've had on this Exact podcast numerous. He's he's an absolute hell right now Trying to figure out what day it is also Thoughts and prayers to Raheem Morris. He lost his birthday. Yeah, that was tragic. Mm-hmm. So Raheem Morris I don't know why chef's are tweeted this chef's are tweeted this the middle of the day He said 49ers defensive coordinator Raheem Morris turned 50 years old Thursday September 3rd It also happened to be the day the 49ers flew to Australia leaving Wednesday night September 2nd and arriving Friday morning September 4th local time The 49ers lost the day, but Morris lost his 50th birthday. Dang. So he's still a 49er Fuck that's a fun fact. Yeah, it does. You should have thrown that in there at the end. Yeah forever or 49 Forever 49ers always you never never happen. I don't I don't think I wish them happy birthday because I think I knew Yeah, you did know you absolutely knew I was all over Raheem Morris's brain more should get it He should go to Jed York and be like, hey, man. I Love this team so much. I'm not gonna do my 50th birthday. Also, honestly, that's what were you trying to do? That's probably good for him. Yeah, tell me what you were gonna do. We're trying to do it. He's passed time I'll trade you my birthday my 50th birthday for the real deal. What kind of hole were you trying to get in their coach? Yeah, I think I think Colle is just as confused about whether or not they made the right choice to go to Australia as we are. Yeah, and I think my my angle on this game stays the same and that's I think that the 49ers will win this game because they care about it And I think the Rams will lose this game because they don't care about it and they'll go back and then the Rams will be much better in the next Next couple weeks than the Niners. Yeah, all right play the clip When I look at my clock and it says the time and then I try to see my family's time and then this says the time But it says yesterday. I don't even get how that's possible So I feel like I'm in the future and then also when we play on our Friday Which I think's the Thursday in the US for such creatures of habits. So I call today Tuesday All right, no wait. Sorry call today Wednesday Which is the first day we put in a game plan, but I think it's Monday. However though it's Sunday and the present So like I'm gonna mess that up all week if you guys asked me but today is just our first day of the game plan Which is a Wednesday and we'll put in some on a Thursday Friday's the final part of the game plan Saturday we walked in when we play on Sunday, which is a Friday in Australia on a Thursday and on the US So you said every day and you're telling me people listen to this podcast Like that's what we sound like Max also had this happen to him in Italy, so he's gonna he reminded me that he was on And who's standard time zones the liar. You know, it's crazy is that I kind of through listening to us have the same conversation I think I followed exactly along. Oh, yeah with what Kyle Shanahan said. Yeah, I think I actually got it No good for us and you Hank. This is what you wanted No, it's not yet is yet is How growing the game Yeah, I mean you got to figure out time songs. I got it. I don't know no, no, you you have time zones here. We have we have I still struggle with our time four times four times a four times. Oh, yeah, I Was a three we got Hawaii we don't really do kind of forget about the mountain time. It just doesn't really That's only a half a year. It's Denver. It's just if there's not that many people and Arizona doesn't even do it Yeah, yeah, see fuck that. Well, they do it. Yeah, we're not getting that Like an hour long conversation about whether or not Arizona count as a west coast Because there was some team that was like undefeated against west coast teams. Yeah, well the half Congratulations, we're in Australia. I hope they love it. They're not gonna care about it in a week when everybody leaves And then those teams are gonna come back to the United States and they're gonna feel like they're living in Russia so Great Grown the game. Yeah, by the way, we just got our fingers only update Zach. You still are in last You're in second now, though. I know that's a problem. Good jump, though. Devers had six home runs So Zach is in last max your 10 ahead of Zach Hank is runaway with it run away. Great ball. No, or yeah Jersey Jerry just has been in the sleep for three years still doesn't understand the rules So he's just text and I've I've had two players out since 726 and 727 Recreasing to add two players and a D a D H and left fielder. You can only add one We all know that or One plus pedophile rule So by the way, I was thinking what what where would he be in dinghers only max allowed what now you couldn't drop him No, you could you For sure, I got a dumb question. No, you can't not you should say that we can't drop him But he was removed due due to But but now we're saying yes, does that really baseball now we're saying bad remember I have a dumb question I can't remember if this was a conversation we had maybe a year ago or it was on the act at all But it's all one song, but I was at the zoo with my son on Sunday and the baby rhino at the Lincoln Park Zoo has gotten too big No longer baby kind of fucking gross Are we just pedophiles for bait for animals? We are no, no, I mean puppies, but you don't want to fuck them No, but you we all think that the baby animals are cuter than the adult animal people love babies, yeah, that's true But we don't think that like bait. I don't know it's true across all species I think you're the the children of like any animal they're cuter. No, but like it's to protect them a six month old People say a baby's cute babies all look the same people just say it because they have to say it You see a fucking puppy you see a baby rhino a little a little pygmy hippo those things are cute We don't want to fuck like I know I know but I'm saying we We all we all are like like the baby animals more than the adult animals I also think with the animals you know that a baby one can't kill you true, but the adult ones I just just stupid thought I had But yeah, I don't think I don't think it's the same as like bait actual babies because like again all babies The six-month-old baby looks the same across the board people just have to say oh, that's go I did that this weekend. I saw there was a I was at a barbecue. There was a two-month-old baby I was like oh, it's so cute. No, it was like some baby. It was a fucking baby. Some babies are ugly Yeah, but they're a bit like go off Most like aliens. Yeah kids are cute when they start saying funny things not when they're like little blobs two-month-old blobs You know like well, that's so cute. You have to say it for social, you know, graces You think there's ugly babies? Yeah, for sure. There's ugly. I think there's I think there's like standard baby and then they're like standard cute Baby and then there's there's there's replacement level, baby There's zero war baby, and then there's Kyle. I know what you're saying of like there's cute baby like cute Cute babies across the board, and then there's like oh not cute baby. I think it's I think it's normal baby and outlier Yes, yes, and outlier baby like the normal baby is like the Gerber baby. Yeah The logo baby, yeah, that's a little round cheeks. That's what I see. Yeah, that's your standard baby. Yeah, yeah I just I was heartbroken the baby Rhino. Yeah, he's like he's probably like 600 pounds now It's just not it's not the same. Yeah, get over yourself. Get over yourself Rhino. Yeah Okay, should we oh, dude, don't get don't get the riders in the room going about red rhino. Yeah What's he up to? 200k a year is going to be at the next surviving basketball, right? Yeah Okay, do we have any other sports stories going on before we do who's back a week where we'll probably hit some more trying to think That just that hot dog bun video from Toronto is sick Put it all like the dog in the bun. That's all I got. Yeah, that was awesome. Yeah, it's pretty good That was a very cool moment in dumb sports history is pretty good. You and see football Under a big microscope right now. Yeah, what's going on there? So yeah, hey Oh, there's just a internal investigation going on for what? Inappropriate relationships between staffers staff members potential drug use from some of the coaches It's all being investigated. It's not on I don't I don't see bell check is left the team. Oh Michael Bardy. He's still there Michael Bardy has left the team. Oh There's investigation. They want to know. They're one and oh. Yeah Just that should be the boilerplate answer One or no What kind of drugs are they saying he did we'd weed? Oh, come on. What are we doing? No, I don't know I don't know. I know it's it's it's not you know that's crazy. There's aren't haven't been specified That's the rumor that's the rumor. Where'd you hear that rumor? Dave Portnoy. Okay. Okay, unbiased Yeah, do you think that if it's we talk and we how did he find out if It's weed I say no harm no foul. That's a crazy thing to be investigating for weed. What if it's something worse than we who knows that - That's why they're doing these questions. - Worse or better in both? - Yeah, I think it'd be better. - Cooler, yeah. - Not cooler. - Or like more potent. - Maybe he's just really, really excited that their quarterback looks awesome. Like MVP level. - Mm-hmm. - And so maybe that's why he- - It could happen to anyone. - It was to do the other drugs. - It could happen to anyone. - Also, somebody sent me the clip from when Belichick got hired. And he brought Steve on as his defense coordinator. - That episode apart might take? - Yeah. - It's an interesting conversation. - Why? - It's just interesting. - What do we say? - It's just an interesting conversation. - What do we say? - We just talked a little bit about what nepotism is, what it isn't. - Do you see the, they're trying to shame the, what round are we at in the US open? Does anyone know? - 216. - They were trying to shame the two women who are billionaire daughters. It's tennis. - It's tennis. They're like, oh, both of them are matched up. Like they're both fathers were billionaires. It's tennis. They still have to be really good. - And you're still gonna win? - Yeah, of course they probably had, actually no, I actually think it's the opposite. If you had endless amounts of money, and you're just like, Dad, I'm not doing tennis anymore. I'm not, why would I do tennis anymore? I'm gonna get all your money when you die. - Also not to be judgmental, but like you assume a billionaire, like probably not the most athletic genes. - Correct. - And that just means that she's got that dog in her. - Yeah. But it's harder to get, it's like, you know, doing road work in silk pajamas. It's hard to get, hard to find that hunger when you're a billionaire's daughter. So credit to that. - Yeah. - All right, let's do Who's Back of the Week then we have two great interviews. We talk a lot more college football with Andy Staples and then we have Western Michigan head coach, Lance Taylor, and are you gonna do our fantasy football for Who's Back or would do it at the end? - I can do it for Who's Back. - Okay, yeah. - All right, so we got our fantasy football results from Gerry O'Connell drafting. 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Grab a refreshing Twisted Tea today. We love Twisted Tea. We love the lemonade, the half and half, the original. Keep it twisted with Twisted Tea. Henry, who's back the week? - My back of the week speaking of dogs is Peter Herbstreet. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, big time back. - Big time back, you know, a lot of negative press honestly. I feel like two years ago, a lot of positive press last year, a lot of negative press. And then this year they came out with an entire Peter Herbstreet pop-up merch shop. - Why do they call it a pop-up? - Good question, good idea. - Yeah. - I don't think they're not thinking like you did it. - For charity? - Was it for charity? - I'm asking. 'Cause you're taking a line here of. - I'm just saying he's back. - I'm not making a judgment one way or the other. - I'm nearly just delivering news as is my job to say who's back of the week. It's college football's back. Peter Herbstreet is so back that they had an entire pop-up shop for Peter Herbstreet merch. For all the Peter Herbstreet fans in Baton Rouge. - Do you think that Kirk Herbstreet only wants mail dogs? - Probably. - Yeah. - Do you think he makes his dogs do a handstand? - That's what I was saying. He might be shaking dogs upside down right after they're done. You know, it's their own heat. - I don't know. - The way you're asking that, I'm assuming it was. - I think it was. - Yeah, so he's back, so charity's back. So Peter Herbstreet is back and he's helping charities. - Love that. - Great. - It's awesome. - Good news. - Also Nathan Feilder's back. - Yeah. - Nathan Feilder's new documentary trailer. He was with Theranos, what's your name? - Was it Holmes? - Elizabeth Holmes. - Elizabeth Holmes. For three months before she went to prison and then they continued it while she was in prison. The documentary trailer was scary. - Yeah. - I thought it was fake. It was like, it was just them, you know, very close, intimately like face-to-face, talking about how she was like, she would never deceive them. It was, I can't wait to see it. - Apparently there's a twist in it. That is such a major plot point to the movie. That in the movie they ask people that have seen it not to reveal to anybody else what the plot twist is. - Yeah. I'm so excited. - Was it, he goes on her side? - Maybe Tony kills Christopher. - No, they said there's a cameo that they don't want people to reveal. - Yeah. - Yeah, surprise people so much. - But yeah, it looks awesome. - That's exciting, I even see that part of the news. That's exciting. - Very excited. - But yeah, I've never seen a documentary in theaters, but I think this is probably gonna be the first one. - All right. - I think if I've seen a documentary. - I think I have. I saw hoop dreams. - I saw, oh actually what was the Al Gore one? - Incubing a truth. - Incubing a truth, I thought that was like a movie. And I went and saw my mom was like, this is, this is, that was not what I was expecting. - From that point on Hank hated the environment. - I remember watching March of the Penguins thinking that it was gonna be like a nice movie about penguins and it was not and I was pissed. - Yeah, I saw my dad maybe see when we were kings, the Muhammad Ali documentary. That was a good dad boot by him in the theaters. - Fahrenheit 9-11, so that in theaters. - Oh yeah, yeah. - Michael Moore bowling for Columbine as well. - Okay, good, who's back? - Thank you. - Good, who's back, Hank? - Thanks. - My other who's back the week in addition to the fantasy review we're about to do is dogs. - Also dogs, Hank. - Peter Herb Street? - Not Peter Herb Street, Philly. The Philly Dogs. - Yeah. - The Philadelphia Water Dogs. - We're back? - Philadelphia Water Dogs beat Boston. The summer of Hank losing continues. - Wait, what round are we in? - That was the semi-finals. - Fuck yeah! - So finals. - We're back in the finals. - We're back in the finals now again. - When is that? - Denver. It's on good question. I believe it's on NFL Week 1 Sunday. - Okay. We now have an extra TV? - We do, yeah. - So who knows? - Oh wait, no. Sunday September 20th, it looks like. - Oh, so week two. - The outlaws versus the water dogs. - Okay. - Philadelphia Water Dogs. - Hank gets beaten again. - But I win. - Yeah, you're a dog's guy. - Yeah. - My other who's back in the week is going to be Jerry O'Connell and Fantasy Football. So Jerry completed his fantasy football draft today. He sent me the entire lineup. He said, "I am ashamed. I had a bad, bad draft." - Why? - Apparently he did the draft from a McDonald's on their Wi-Fi and the Wi-Fi was going out because some people were streaming there. - What does that mean? - He's trying to keep the draft. He didn't want to tell his family where he was. I think he snuck out and he was like, "I'm gonna be going for a while. I've got meetings." - This is all he has. - And then he went to do his fantasy football draft at McDonald's. So here's our-- - That's crazy. - Apparently what happened, now this is explanation because you will see that the running back room is thin at best for us. He said that he messed up. He took Lamar and AJ. He thought, "David Montgomery or Travian would suffice. I messed up." He did not realize that Travian Henderson was injured to the point where he might not be starting. So here's a starting lineup. Quarterback, Lamar Jackson. - Okay, he was gonna go for Lamar, yeah. - Two running backs. Breeze Hall, Travian Henderson. - Okay. - AJ Brown, receiver. - Turned my horn. - Receiver. - Okay. - Travis Kelsey, tight end. - What? - CD Lam, Flex, Evan McPherson, Kicker, Jack-- - I mean CD Lam is the best receiver we've got. - Yeah, I mean, I guess you could bounce those around. And then Jaguar's defense and Evan McPherson as the kicker on our bench. This is where it gets kind of ugly. We got Tate at receiver from Tennessee. - Carnal Tate. - He's questionable right now. Thomas, Brian Thomas Jr. Jacksonville, there's zero running backs on this guy lemon. We drafted him to we draft a great a lot of wide receivers a lot of receivers We drafted Chris Rodriguez from the from the commanders and he's like third or fourth string running back Okay, he's got it. Yeah, we have a Woody marks from Houston and other backup to Ron Tracy from the Giants another back up But we have wide receivers to trade we have so many water so you have any other Driving another tight end except Travis Kelsey. No, no, that's the only tight end that that appears that we have He's actively trying to trade Lamara and AJ for scataboo and pickings the real loser in this is everyone else in the league Yeah, Jerry Jerry drafted a completely lopsided roster so he's gonna have to make a lot of trades So he's gonna have to text a lot of people. There's been one other development that I did not realize until about an hour ago I was trying to see what Jerry's bench was So I logged on to the fantasy app because I've had access as a co-manager in years past Jerry has locked me out of our team. Oh, no, Jerry has Jerry's taken over our team like I'm the captain now is what he did and I cannot I've got no access to it. I can't see your scoreboard I can't see your trade requests. I can't see anything going on. I'm now fully reliant on Jerry's hands I'm actually fine on Jerry to just tell us what's going on No, he's not gonna give us this straight dope. Yeah, we gotta get in there. I Gotta get back you gotta get back in there. I'll be making you see the results. No, we won't. No, I'm saying we I mean we will eventually you can ask anyone who's like anyone else in the League to show us the results, but then they'll know our team is fractured. I Think they could know right now that our team is fractured. I mean what we're dealing with right now is we have we have a hostile that took it over Yeah, what if Jerry comes in last? I don't want to think about that. I actually I'm sure there'd be some sort of punishment if you want to defend Jerry here. I As bad as the roster might look right now. I do think he's got enough To make some like there's some teams out there that have no wide receiver. We're loading at receiver Well, because we have carnelltate Who else Brian Thomas yeah, and who else on our on our bench? There's some upside on the on the bench and receiver right there is like We're gonna be able to trade some. We're gonna be able to flip some of these receivers. Mikai lemon. Mikai. I mean they have we got we got receivers for days Someone's gonna need a receiver and we're gonna we're gonna be there the tight end position makes me a little nervous I don't think but everyone sucks a tight end We have one starting running back. That's a problem. That's a big problem. That is a big problem. Hank. What do you think about Anderson? I think he's gonna be I think I'll come back Okay, come back strong. All right. All right, so then we're good As reported by Hank. Yeah Okay, we gotta well usually it's like you have a couple of learning backs You don't need to worry about you're injured running back in the first week of the season Yeah, I'm also just concerned in years past Jerry and I have been co-managers and this one I got in this does feel like a direct shot I got an email saying that I've been removed as owner He's gonna blame them Mikai. Oh, it's wife by the commissioner. Yeah, I don't know what Jerry Maybe he can answer me what what happened with that one. How do we not get better Wi-Fi for something that we build all year for I mean his Wi-Fi always sucks. That's true. It's what you matter no matter where he is his Wi-Fi But he's got he lives in Hollywood. He could go to one of his like rich guy friends that probably has like the best starlinker something He does usually go to like a creek somewhere To film his appearances on part of my take. Yeah All right, I'm excited. I think Jerry's got enough to work with I think it's not as bad as we thought When I saw the tweets about the disaster. He's just gonna have to now like Sometimes when you play fantasy you draft your team and you just forget about it He's gonna have to get to work the work starts now and I think that Jerry loves the work. Yeah, right So he might have done this on purpose. He put himself in a corner just so he can fight his way out of it I like that's where I want Jerry fight your way out of the corner Jerry or my who's back the week is Burgers because I completed the challenge 101 burgers this summer, though I have I have a incredible life dream job like incredible family all you guys This and everything I've accomplished in my life. This is by far the least consequential dumbest and Regrettable thing that I've ever done. I had to explain this to someone at a barbecue yesterday And they're like why are you eating a hundred burgers? It's like, well, I'm doing it as like a challenge They're like, oh, what do you get? I was like nothing and I didn't I challenged myself because I had one weekend Even more of the day where I was like damn. I love cheeseburgers. I Really regret this the only thing I've gained from this is that I will get significantly less sympathy When my eventual heart attack happens as me and Hank what do you say also probably not true? What do you say in 20 pounds? Oh, no actually? I I stayed pretty consistently because all I ate was burgers And I did I grilled them. I didn't eat them out like with french fries So I think that burgers on the whole are not unhealthy. Yeah, it's the french fries. Yeah, do you in? I don't know why I did this. I was the best burger best of worst Donnie made some incredible ones I had a couple that were just not very good at like golf courses and stuff What is the perfect amount of burgers to eat in the summertime? I would say probably 40-ish. Yeah, that sounds about right. I was I would say 40-ish. Yeah, it's how many hot dogs are gonna do next year next year We're gonna do a thousand hot dogs That was it was funny that Zach was like what foods did you miss out on? With all these burgers and honestly it was I was just like hot dogs I think I had like two hot dogs all summer. I had no steak no hot dogs You can't you can't waste burger time. There's so many good meals that I know I know so I'll never you told me you had a Cheesecake and you were upset. I was mad. There's no I had an unbelievable cheese steak shadow Dr. Dan's brother who brought him for us the man It was an incredible cheese. Take in the whole time. I was like this is such a waste. I should be fucking eating a burger This is literally a burger. Just cut up See, I did it though. I listen. I'm mad at my work the haters mostly memes and Max. I did it You guys all thought I couldn't do it. I don't care. Yeah, I know. I don't either. I honestly don't either. I'm I'm I'm happy It's over. You had your hundredth burger in front of us today. It was it was no fail I didn't feel anything. I had no excitement. I had no sense of accomplishment. I Felt nothing except for my stomach is hurt for like three weeks straight. That's it. Zach My who's back in the week this week. We are coming out of holiday weekend a lot of people are traveling a lot of guys up in the air Yeah, my who's back is altitude justice because you guys see the guy who got absolutely Oh, yeah, just face fucked with duct tape. Yeah duct tape. What now? What so much was he was he doing a little light hijacking? I think you're saying the end bomb. I think it was getting physical and slurs You slowly combo. Yeah, look at how much duct tape that is Dad duct tape the fuck out of him. Wait. Now. What is that in the middle? They put like a that looks like one of those Carjack things I don't know the club Then you put it up. Not a slim gym, but I was uptie Between his hands, they made him hold it me. I wouldn't get duct tape like that Anybody else here been duct tape? I have been duct tape. That's a lot of duct tape. It's a lot of duct tape Probably lost circulation the photographing while you're while you're duct tape. Yeah, it's like come on man Yeah, I guess he is a bad guy if he was just thrown in bombs everywhere Yeah, you guys think the other passage like on this plane. They're bonded together, right? Do they keep up with each other now? Oh, yeah, I never see him again No, that would be electric if you if you like stop somebody from taking over playing together even if it was just like some drunk person and Those you know the three or four guys that you teamed up with I feel like you started group chat and yeah You're all probably accepting like keys to various cities together. Yeah. Yeah, we did that. I mean ask Donnie want on Don Yeah, he restrained somebody on a plane one time Yeah, that stuff is like the that's the best of the best I had a friend in a good friend of mine in college he He citizens arrested a guy trying to steal steaks from the grocery store. It's like so thrilling. He's grabbed them I disagree and he just he's like I can't do that Yeah, I think you got to let nature take its course. You're stealing like $300 worth of steaks and it's like the poor person the cash register is like help please grab them. It was like You're staying with me got it. It worked out super well here side note question What are you guys thoughts on somebody traveling with this much duct tape? I think they have to have that in the plane Yeah, okay, if he good pilot knows that you know You can always have some duct tape on the plane in case the flaps don't retract properly in case you got it You know seal the outside and the event of a explosive decompression duct tape. He's a lot of sense. They're my duct tape These guys are just like they're not podcasting. They're just watching this game memes is not he's been not in this conversation whatsoever Well, the oh yeah You're trying to do a duct tape ball back. We're listening. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but there was we were talking we have a conversation means go take it out That's what that Max is slapping my leg All right, let's want let's let's watch this this set of downs here. All right, so it's 1410 SMU 307 left do we know if that's actually the time it's close enough Did you know the the the lights might have come back on cuz they had like the the thing that's the rest are keeping you can see it in the end The rest are keeping the time that graphic isn't up anymore I also heard that there's a chance that all classes are canceled tomorrow at FSU. Oh, so now this kid is a hero that they win if they win. And if the overheads, no, it'd be a sad if the over doesn't hit this killer. Not a hero. No, they got a score. Touched. Some school should give. What do you do? The couple of days off down, he comes out if we if this is what are you saying? Talk us through a max. They're not. It's dad. It's dad. If you don't score, touch down here. That's not true. Do you have a backup who's back the week, Zach? Back up is going to I can go with Deon Sanders. You guys see Deon Sanders online giving a shot with a little tough love. Yeah, also shout out Colorado one. Yeah, one on Thursday night. That was good to see. Goldberg sun plays for Deon. No way. Yeah. Pretty cool. The glitter guys are too much. That's one where you can't be a glitter guy. If Florida State's not good. I heard that was Danny Knell. It is Danny Knell. Yeah. Is he right or the other gold one? He's I think he's a gold one. Okay. Okay. Let's get to our interview. We have Andy Staples talking more college ball and then Western Michigan head coach Lance Taylor. Andy Staples is going to be brought to you by Netflix. Our great friends are expanding their NFL coverage in 2026 from week one to the first ever Thanksgiving Eve matchup and two Christmas day, day games, plus a playoff game in January. 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I understand what they're trying to argue. I still think it was robbery. I think still think it was bullshit. Where do you land on this? You're going to think that I actually believe the big 10 on this one, but they screwed up. And here's why. So they had already set up a deal where on Friday nights, they're going to let you see their instant replay deliverations. Like the ACC did last year, the big 12s doing it this year, the pack 12s doing it now. Like if they had let us see that in real time, I think millions of more people would trust the answer they got. Like it's actually a big step forward for the big 10 that they released that video. But when it's an hour and 53 minutes after the game ended, we live in a world where we can find a video for anything to confirm what you want to believe. So I mean, we have to have an entire podcast about this. So like I don't think I don't think that was the right way to do it. Like we need to see that the deliberations, every review in every game in every league in real time because I think that's the only way you earn the public's trust back because do I believe the NBC clock was not synced right? I do. Do I feel bad that John Fana got thrown out to take that bullet? I mean, they're like, you're the new guy. Yeah, you get to read this. Yeah, poor Fanta. Yeah. And you've probably watched more football than just about anybody listed this show over the course of your life. Did you know about the secret clock until this weekend? So the secret clock is no secret. It's a clock in the stadium that they have a camera train on. And when we were all kids, that's how the clock was shown to us in games. There was a camera on the clock and there was a little cutout on the screen where you saw the video of the clock in the stadium. And now we got all this fancy technology and AI. And well, guess what? It doesn't work. Yeah. It's bullshit. And I guess, like, listen, I'm not going to, I'm not going to sit here and be like, Oh, Michigan cheated. I think it, I think the way it happened was suspect that I didn't. We all were, it was kind of like a March Madden situation where everyone was rooting for the underdog in this moment because they played so tough and all this happens. But going away from that afterwards, Bryce Underward, it like, what does Michigan do? Because he was really bad. And I made this argument before the season. And I got a lot of shit for it that I was like, if Bryce Underward doesn't take a massive step forward, this is closer to a seven five team than a playoff team. And that's what they look like on Saturday night. So is it a situation like this is a very fascinating situation because the NIL and how much money is it stake and Kyle Wittingham first year and all this stuff? Like, could they potentially go to to the car as the backup right away, like in the next couple of weeks, if Bryce Underward has another stinker? So I want to take this moment to ask for a do over. First, another bar stool property, the Brandon Walker College football show, your number two college football expert post that show. I was on his show the second week. I was not a first week guest obviously, but he asked me about my prediction that Michigan would make the playoff. And just straight up asked, are you on drugs? And then I dressed him down with this very logical explanation of, well, look, their coach was having a major affair and everybody hated everybody. And all that was going on behind the scenes and they won nine games and the true freshman starter didn't have a dedicated quarterback's coach in the offense, stunk, scheme wise. So of course, they're going to be better. And like you watch Brandon, you see his face and you see the color drain out. And I heard him on your show last week kind of parroting those points. I want to I want to change my answer. I was on drugs. Yeah. Good job. Yeah. And then he got to contour about that. Yeah. But it does feel and listen, I think Kyle Wittingham is an unbelievable coach. Yeah. You know, you know, like the one thing you do better than than than most people in the media and you talk about the culture of the sport and what it means to certain fan bases. I think he's an unbelievable coach. I think coach in Michigan is different than coaching at Utah. Like there's just a different pressure cooker to it. And I think you kind of saw it in his eyes a little bit being like, fuck, this is not the same as, you know, playing in the pack 12 or playing in the in the big 12 and being able to win 10 games every year. Like this fan base demands good football every single week. And they don't want to go back to a Brady Hoker rich rod situation. Yeah. Now I think he's in an advantageous situation here to get back to your original question. If you heard what he said Monday, where he said Bryce is the is QB one right now right now. And he kind of paused and he said right now. And nothing set in concrete. Like you asked if we would see Tommy car maybe the next few weeks. I think there's a chance we see Tommy car against Oklahoma on Saturday at some point. Yeah. If it's not working with Bryce. Because this is a very good defense. I mean, like David Stone Owen Heinecke the talent is unbelievable. But Brent Vennables as a defensive coordinator. And I say coordinator because he is the one who calls the plays, even though he's a head coach. It's one of the most confusing defenses in college football for an opposing quarterback. It is designed to confuse the quarterback, designed to confuse the offensive lineman. Well, based on what we saw against Western Michigan, there's a lot of confusion going around anyway. Yeah. So if this isn't working, I think Kyle winning him because he's the new guy because he was not there when they gave that investment to to bring in right son or would his jobs win games. He's just going to go with the guy who who might be able to help him win games. And the thing about Tommy car. And so for those who don't know, Tommy car grandson of Lloyd car, little brother of CJ, the current Notre Dame starting quarterback. From the moment he set foot on campus and started working out with the guys, there has been positive buzz about this guy. And I during the off season, I was like, okay, they must really like him. And then I started to conspiracy theory brain over the summer like, oh, are they are they seeding the clouds in case they have to go to him. But it maybe he's just good like his brother's awesome. So who knows but With Oklahoma being what they are and being so difficult to manage especially if you're not great at reading defenses They may have to try something different if it's not working. Yeah, that's what struck me about Michigan is is The opening series that they had maybe when they looked the best scripted even in that opening series He's still a little confused at times I think he went the wrong way on a play and it was it did not look like they had prepped for this game or at least at the quarterback position For any you know extended period of time and now they're going up And like I would say that maybe even Western Michigan was more physical on defense than than Michigan was an offense And that's a major concern for Michigan too. Yes, and then adding in the confusion that Vinables can bring like things could get very ugly for Michigan It could or it's a weird sport. Yeah, they're 20 year olds Yeah, and all of a sudden they show up and look completely. I don't think that's going to happen though We we talked about this with on our show and Ari kept saying this is not something you can fix in three or four days And I think that's probably true I don't think this was a case of just an unusual performance I just I thought he was going to take a bigger step forward from year to year and Watching some of the throws watching the way he handled it. It doesn't look any different and this is a guy He's got immense physical talent and I think he strikes me as the kind of guy who his physical talent got him out of every jam in high school And he's trying to do that at the college level too, and it just doesn't work at the college level You have to you have to follow your scheme you have to use your your technique your you know your fundamentals You have to keep your mechanics sound all of that stuff matters at this level especially with the kind of defense They're gonna see and remember guys like Oklahoma is a really good defense. They also have to play the Iowa defense They're gonna play Indiana. They're gonna play Oregon. They're gonna play mid or they're gonna play Ohio State like they're gonna play Some incredible defenses this season. So this is just sort of the acid test Like if you can't do this you're gonna be in trouble with the rest of the schedule So Andy just one more thing about the clock in the Michigan game I'm with you that I read all the explanations. I understand I know what they're saying This was the official clock. It was not synced up, but it is the clock the the replay official saw and Instructed the refs on the field. We're gonna follow this one one second left Do you think yeah that if the roles were reversed in this and Western Michigan through a Hail Mary the clock expired on the field Do you think that the big 10 replay officials would move hell and high water and dig through that replay to go and find them one extra Second to try to throw another Hail Mary Would they have made an exceptional effort? I don't know PFT But I will tell you from having met a lot of the people who who officiate games or who who coordinate officials now for the different leagues These guys are just trying to get right. They know they're gonna get yelled at no matter what you know most of the time They're doing a conference game. We're gonna piss off one of the conference members either way, right? So I think they're trying to get it right. I I know it's so easy to believe the conspiracy theories and Look, I fell into that rabbit hole on Saturday night, but I do think they were just trying to get right But yeah, it would they make the extra effort They were trying to get it right they absolutely were the guys on the field the refs that we're actually calling that game There's they don't have any fault in this that was not their call Well, they miss that face mask that would have extended a Western Michigan drive and it would have never happened That way had the Western Michigan may have to keep the ball for a couple more minutes And also, yeah, the clock was synced when they went with the field goal. I saw it in my own to I would ever we should we we can't stick on it This is the nine the nine to eight video was the one that got me and then I'm like, but anybody could have doctored that too Yeah, yeah, and listen I I actually agreed with you that like this sport is so weird I was thinking about it like the thing that pissed me off the most watching Western Michigan Like lose that game was not only did Michigan survive, but then also the line is going to be inflated against Oklahoma And Michigan's probably going to win that game somehow like I was I was getting ready to bet Oklahoma minus three And then it's like no, it's gonna be six, he's seven because everyone saw Michigan. I was like yeah, I was watching it roll Yeah, right on Saturday night and I just get away because it is that sport and how winning him is a great great coach And I die don't think that you can what you what you see week one is not what you see the rest of the season Speaking of what do we make of Oregon because Oregon was another team a lot of hype going into the season Boise gave him you know everything they had That was an interest like it was an interesting thing to see because you like this is the year for Oregon Everyone's picking them they have all these guys coming back Dante more is coming back and then Boise is just taking it right to them Right out of the gate So I have to do a projected playoff every week Including week one, okay, and I put it out and I left Oregon out Oh, but I put Boise state in because if Boise state can do that in Eugene They can probably beat Memphis this week. They can probably be Western Michigan. They can probably win the pack 12 So naturally organ fans are furious at me right now, and I'm sorry about that I'm just going with the results we have and and I'm not using preseason expectations or anything I just what we saw now. I think Oregon's going to be fine. I actually think they're going to go kill Oklahoma state this weekend and probably pop them right back into the projected playoff, but I Boise state I think it's more Boise states probably pretty good. Yeah, then it is Oregon having any issues And I will point out two years ago Oregon had a rough opener against Idaho your guy Jason Eck who's now in New Mexico that a rough opener against Idaho And then barely survived that ashton genty boys and boys is a team They then went on to go 13 to know and win the big 10. Yeah, so it may be that this is just Oregon ran into a pretty good opponent that was maybe a little better than they thought it was going to be and they survived So I'm I'm really not that worried about them now if they if they go to this Oklahoma state team that just got house by Tulsa and It's and they struggle then I'm going to worry about about them a little bit, but I'm not worried about them right now You're right in that like week to week. It's hard to get up for every single game It's just always week one the eyes are on you. You have all season to prep for it So you expect the best effort and you saw it, you know, I mean different styles of competition But like Ohio State take care of business Texas take care of business Georgia. They were playing basically no an LSU Is that by the way is LSU one of the biggest winners of this week because they looked awesome 100% because you had everybody going oh Lane's just been creating this distraction with trying to take these dudes who were in the NFL And I kept telling people his roster is really good if you look at Lane's history, especially at Ole Miss The offense clicked almost immediately Pretty much the whole time he was there even though there was a lot of churn in the roster So I expected them to come out of the gate smoking I did not expect them to dominate the way they did especially in the run game or just bullying Clemson and I mean LSU look like one of the best teams in the country I let that projected playoff again because I'm taking the preseason stuff out of it I put them as the one seat now are they going to stay there probably not but why not let's ride let's ride the expectations But yeah Lane and I think Lane was trying to prove a point in this game because We'd spent the past month just crushing him for the NFL player stuff and look the a little aside to Holly Row That was classic. That was pure Lane right there. Yeah, now do you think Because I I agree with you that LSU looked fantastic. They looked incredible last night Offensively and defensively. I do think that it kind of will go the way that that Sam Levitt goes Because the way the style that he plays it's so fun to watch But we saw it with you know one of Lane's old quarterback's Jackson Dart in the NFL It's hard to do that weekend week out especially with the schedule LSU has Do you think that they would be able to win without Sam Levitt or is it strictly dependent on how healthy he is? No, I think they they could probably win. So they have a transfer from Elon who he came in in second They've also got who saw a lottery who came from from USC and I think they feel good about their entire quarterback room It's it's a very strange situation where I think Lane understood basically what happened last year when he went out and got Trinidad Chamolis at Ole Miss as an insurance policy so Lane the Clark is the Elon transfer that's an FCS school It's a signety school. It's it's it's one of the stops on the signety track but I think they feel like if Landon Clark had to come in they'd be just fine Which is is interesting because Sam Levitt did go out in the middle of that season for Arizona State last year Where Arizona State probably could have won the big 12? I mean they beat Texas Tech with Sam Levitt playing but I I love the idea of Sam Levitt in this Lane Kiffin offense Because he is a run around and make stuff happen kind of guy who throws a great deep ball Who does that sound like yeah, we watched him play last night Trinidad Chamolis. Yeah, yeah, I saw someone tweeted There said that Sam Levitt plays football like a squirrel with an emphetamine problem and I was like that's pretty much it like that They nailed it now on the other side by the way. I did a bad job Introducing this whole interview and he's actually in the press box for FSU SMU So if you hear a couple people in the background that's why he's also a professional. He's got a mic. He's got a perfect set up So we appreciate it Andy. Is this rock bottom for dabbo though because it feels like there's been a couple of them You know the Georgia game a couple years ago where it was similar spot week one everyone was hyped at Lanna They got they got absolutely smoked but this feels like true rock bottom in that they are nowhere near The top teams and and it was like they had no like no Russian game nothing It was just it was a totally totally different caliber of teams on the field at Tiger Stadium Yeah, and the scheme was bad. The offense looked discombobulated and that was another great lane quote to David Hale from ESPN. He said, "I thought this was going to be like 31 to three. I had no idea their offense would be that dysfunctional." And so they brought Chad Morris back who, you know, he was their offensive coordinator when they turned everything around with Taj Boyd back in the day and became one of those teams that was competing for the ACC title every year and competing for national titles. So, but it seemed like kind of a retrained situation because Chad Morris had been head coach at SMU. He had been fired from Arkansas. So it was a weird situation all off season. They kept Christopher Vizina instead of going to get a quarterback in the portal. They have a freshman at Tate Reynolds that they like who you saw on Saturday, but obviously he wasn't ready either. And I think it's now dawning on everybody and the Clemson fans were way ahead of everybody else on this and usually the fan base on the ground does understand this a little bit better, but with us it was like, okay, is Dabo losing his touch? Does he not understand how to win? Can he not get the kind of players he had? Well last year he had nine draft picks on that team. They still went seven and six. So that's a coaching issue. So that should tell you, this year he kind of closes ranks and he kind of closed off practices to people who were normally allowed there. I'm talking about the IP type stuff, not media type stuff. Clubs ranks and I asked somebody who knows the program really well. I said, do you think he did that because he's mad at everybody and wants to prove them wrong and wants to just kind of lashing out or because he knows they're not going to be good? And this person said, it's probably because he's mad at everybody and thinks he's about to prove everybody wrong. Well, he was proven very wrong on Saturday night. And look, here's the problem guys, like Miami is going to do the same thing to them. There really aren't a lot of other teams on the schedule that have that, they're going to have that kind of talent discrepancy. But that's where you're going to see where the coaching comes in because Clemson is probably more talented than most of the teams left on their schedule. But I don't know if they're going to be better than seven and five or six and six, if they look like that, if that's their offense, if that's what they're going to roll out there, they're going to lose more games. It's not just going to be when they're when they're out talented. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The jokes and puns about Lane Kiffin, like you could tell that he was, he was feeling a little confident because I don't think old dabbo does that unless he's got, you know, supreme confidence and his team going out there not laying an egg. And that was, that was like a ponder your future level of beat down there for Clemson. Like, I don't know it was dabbo want to be there. He wants to be there. And he's the type of person I would think that I just, it's, we've talked about this over the years. Probably since the 22 season, the 23 season, we've talked about how does this work? How does the end happen for dabbo at Clemson because he does not strike me as the kind of guy who would just say, you know what, I don't have it anymore. I'm going to step down rather than let this thing go down. I feel like he would be the kind of person who says, look, you're going to pay me every dime you owe me and I made this place and we've heard him recite his resume a lot this off season. Yeah. That's where it gets tricky. And so it's interesting that I'm sitting here in Tallahassee right now. There was a post on the tiger illustrated message board this weekend that just really struck me. And the guy said, I've always said that dabbo is going to be our Bobby Bowden for good end for bad. This is a Clemson fan saying this. And if you think about Bobby Bowden was one of the greatest coaches of all time, when I was in high school and college and even before that, the, the seminals were the baddest of the bad. They were amazing. And then they had what they call the lost decade, which is the early 2000s. And he just slipped year after year. And like I remember, they got beat 30 to nothing by Wake Forest here in 2006 and he had to fire his son as the offensive coordinator Jeff Bowden. He still coached for three more years after that. Like it was a long slow decline before they finally decided they'd had enough. But I don't think Clemson's going to do that. Clemson's got a new president, Graham Nath, they have a young kind of energetic AD. He's been there a while too. So he's worked with dabbo a lot. But this is a place that got the taste from dabbo of what it's like to be a national power. I don't think they want to let it go. No. And I don't think they've fallen so far that they can't get it back. But it may require some, some kind of very awkward conversation and possibly a very large check. Yeah. There's a type of beat down though that makes you think like this whole thing, like we've never seen Clemson look that outmatched physically and also schematically like at the same time against equality opponent. It was like, it was shocking. So it's like, and maybe, you know, I don't know. Does he want to be there? Do they want them there? Something's going to change. That's my predict. In the next year, something I don't know is, but something will change. I don't think the fans want in there anymore. I think most of the fan bases turned on him at this point. It's just a matter of how do you handle that administratively because he would be owed a fortune unless he was willing to play ball with you. And I mean, this is a guy that they're going to build a statue. I mean, and I can't, I said this all off season when he would recite his resume, like it's up at ACC Media Days and recite his resume. If he stopped coaching right now, he's still one of the greatest coaches who ever lived. But as long as he has the job, then what he did before, it doesn't matter. You're getting that giant paycheck every two weeks. You have to produce results and he's not producing. Yeah. So maybe PFT, like, like, I just look at the LSU, it was 309 rush yards to 40. That's like, that's zero before the last drop. Yeah. That's Georgia. That's Georgia playing Tennessee State. You know what I mean? That's the difference of like where Clemson is at right now against a big dog. I saw a stat that Clemson didn't run a play in LSU's half of the field until the fourth quarter. Well, they had one because of the pen to start the game. Yeah. I was already watching Call UCLA at that point, so they had a lucky one because of the pick to start the game. Yeah. It was crazy. It was nuts. It is nuts. All right. What about, let's talk another fun story, UMass. UMass beating Rutgers on Thursday. I feel like 10 years ago, but we got to give them credit. Pop Watson, maybe. Yes. Pop Watson is awesome. So, so that was stunning. I mean, I don't want to talk too much time about it, but Rutgers, like, that is one of the most embarrassing things. UMass hadn't beaten an FBS team in, I think, two years or three years, two years. They hadn't won a game. Yeah. And the last game they won was in October, 2024 against Bryant, which is an FCS school. Like, this is, or maybe it's Wagner. I mean, I feel like, I feel like I'm covering the first round of the NCAA tournament. Right. Yeah. They won their conference tournament. Yeah. But no, it's, it's crazy. And Pop Watson was just awesome. Well, by Sunday night, we're just watching that game and we just kept screaming, pop, pop, pop. I mean, every time he did something and the fireworks afterward. Yeah. Or maybe the saddest thing I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. Yeah. You have to, there has to be somebody there with common sense that says, hey, I know, I know football's back. Maybe not the right time. Maybe we'll hang on to these until next week. Yeah. So I'm, I'm a Floridian who was born in South Carolina, so fireworks are very special to me. I guarantee you there was somebody in there who's like, oh no, we bought all these, yeah, we got to do it. We got to do it. We got to do it. I also, like, what better way to make you feel better too? It's like, hey, I know we just lost a very embarrassing game, but you might, this might put a smile on your face. Yeah. How about some explosions? There you go. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think about how this is all shaken up for this week's Big Matchup Ohio State Texas? Like it, everything kind of seems chalk going into this matchup. But, but are you just thinking about these two teams the same way? You thought about them two weeks ago, three weeks ago, or is anything changed? No. This feels perfect. This is exactly what I want in an early season game. It is two superpowers from different conferences. The two conferences that hate each other the most could be the best team in each conference. We don't know yet, but there's a good chance it's the best team in each conference. It's certainly two of the best rosters in America. And like the thing I can't wait to see is who becomes a star out of this game. Like we know Jeremiah Smith, we know Julian Sayon, we know Archmaning, but like, is this going to be the Hollywood Smothers game, or is this going to be the Legend Bay game? Like somebody's going to become a star in this game. And it's going to be awesome. I cannot wait because it's a close spread. I picked Ohio State, but not with any degree of confidence. Like, I just want to sit down and watch these two go at it. Yeah. I'm very, very excited. Yeah. What other team or fan base is feeling good coming off a week one that you were maybe impressed with. You're like, all right, this team, like we had some questions going into it. I was going to say like the Auburn Baylor game was a mess, just an absolute mess. Yeah. And I don't even know like Auburn won the game, but I don't know if they feel good about it coming off it because I it felt like we were watching like, USF was a nice story last year. Goal is just really good coach, but like that offense didn't look great. And I don't know who, like Baylor, I don't know, what did you make of that game? So goalish after the game sounded like a guy who'd lost. Right. He there was a lot of the look on his face said, that's not how this is supposed to work. That's not how this is supposed to look. And I was, I was a little bit surprised that so Byron Brown, we've saw, we've seen him play against SCC schools while he was at USF, so I'm, I think he ran for over 100 yards against Alabama one game. He went to the swamp and beat Florida last year. Like he, he's a very fast guy for 240 pounds and it was shocking to me how many times you you saw Baylor Edwin. rushers run him down on the edge instead of him getting loose and running for 20 yards. Now, I will say on the last drive for Auburn, that rushing ability seemed to return because that he did score when they needed him to, but that was the part that surprised me because I thought that was going to be the X factor and what was going to make this offense feel different is his escape ability scares you so much that you're going to have to put an extra guy in the box, you're going to have to spy him and all of a sudden you're going to have some one-on-one matchups on the outside. They didn't have a lot of open receivers. Yeah. And so I just didn't think that worked. It was interesting because you've watched Alabama East Carolina, Keelan Russell, the quarterback for Alabama, first time starter, like when he gets Lucy runs for 30 yards, like that's terrifying. Yeah, he looks awesome. That's what I thought Byron Brown was going to be and that was not the case against Baylor, which has good athletes on defense, but not necessarily as good as what Auburn's going to see down the road. Now, as far as teams that are probably feeling pretty good, especially with new coaches, I would think Penn State folks are feeling great about Matt Campbell right now. And I know Florida folks are feeling really good about Don Summerall. Those debuts probably could not have gone any better. Both of those teams look like they've been playing together for a long time. It looked very smooth. You know, Matt Campbell, he was the only one of the guys who brought a lot of his old players who succeeded because Eric Morris and Oklahoma State, they lost to Tulsa, and then Auburn maybe should have lost to Baylor. Penn State looked amazing. Yeah. I'd say UCLA too. Yeah, UCLA looked good. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And it's Chesney didn't, Chesney brought a good amount too, but yeah, they, that was a great game because that was a 24/24 game in the fourth quarter. And then UCLA just put the hammer down. Their defense looked fantastic. Their past rush was getting after JKS and then the run game for UCLA. They were really open and whole. So I'm excited to see what they can do. And I know, I know you have adopted everywhere former JMU coaches have gone PFT. I think you're going to enjoy adopting the ruins. Yeah. Yeah. They looked fun. Also, they have what's his name? Frankie Volcano. Frankie Volcano. That's right. The most in the sky. Yeah. He seems like a legend. But you got to have one of those guys. Yeah. They did look good. And it just, they should be allowed to keep the pack 12 after dark IP. They should be able to slap that logo on the screen. If it's a crazy high scoring game and it's, you know, past midnight, I just want to, I just want to go back in time when I'm watching those teams play. And that's what it felt like that. As I'm watching the game, I know I never once thought one of these teams is in the big 10 and one of them is in the ACC. Just I'm watching pack 12 after dark. And I enjoyed being transported back there for a couple hours. Big time, big time. The other, I mean, we should mention Miami too. Miami looked incredible. Yeah. If that was Malachi Tony continues to amaze me. Listen, if you're a high schooler in South Florida and your nickname is baby Jesus and everybody's cool with that, you must be awesome. Yeah. He was great as a freshman, but he's even better now. Yeah. They've unlocked more. And I think they, I think they upgraded a quarterback or Darian Mensa. So with Darian Mensa throwing to Malachi Tony, I don't know. There's a lot of folks on Miami schedule that can stop that. Obviously Notre Dame is going to be the big game for them, but that's pretty much it. They should handle everybody else. They play, which look, the history of Miami going back to several coaching staffs is they get bored. They lose games. They're not supposed to. Mario crystal ball has to prove that that's not going to happen this year, because they may not have the strength of schedule to make it up if they drop one or two that they're not supposed to. Notre Dame's the one everybody's been looking at. Yeah. Notre Dame looked good too. I mean, they throttled us in the second half. And I, I mean, I'll big cat. I listen, listen, I am, I am encouraged by Wisconsin. So I was encouraged with the, there was a lot more physicality than we've had in the last three years. And I like Colton Joseph. And, you know, that game was even in the first half. Like the, the, the, the call was wrong. Stopping Notre Dame's run game. Yeah. How many, how many teams are going to be better at running the ball? Right. The Notre Dame that are on Wisconsin schedule. Right. And there is a lot of good things to look at. And obviously, like the call was wrong with the, with the recovered, uh, fumble, but you also can't fumble that. Like, especially when you're playing Notre Dame, right? Yeah, kick off. Yeah, the kick off was bullshit. What happened with that? They just, I, everyone in the world saw that he didn't have the ball except the, the refs. But again, that's one of those things. You can't win a game when you are very much outmatched by a superior, superior opponent and have those type of mistakes. I was more upset with towards the end of the game. That punt, like, what are we doing? We're down 21. Why are you punting there? There's that, that feels to me more of a, I want to save my job than I want to go fucking capture this thing and try to, try to change everything. That made me, you can take the boy away from Tressel, but you can't take Tressel out of the way. Yeah. That one bothered me because it's just like you, like I, I, I, I'm all in on fickle trying to, trying to turn this thing around. And I, I do think it looked a lot better than it has in the last three years, just based off the first three quarters, first half. But when you're punting down 21 in the fourth quarter, that is a, that is a sign to me that's like, Hey, I want to make this respectable. I'm not here to try to win this game. And it's like, even though we weren't going to win that game, you got it, you got to have a different mentality there. Yeah. And, and I think they're going to be fine. I really think they're going to win seven or eight games this year because they go from having the hardest schedule in the big 10 to having one of the easier draws in the big 10. But that attitude probably has to go because you, there are going to be games where you're going to need to take some chances. And it's got to win eight. It's got to win eight. I think he would tell you he's got to win eight. Okay. Because if you, well, if you look at it, it's like if you win seven, that means you probably lost to Penn State, Iowa, USC and UCLA or Minnesota. And it's like some of those are not okay. Like you, if you win eight, then it's like, Hey, you beat everyone you're supposed to beat. And then you're maybe going in the right direction. Because that's what it's been the last three years. It's not been real. It's not been losing the big game. Yeah. It's, it's Iowa, but it's not been losing the big games. Like what, Notre Dame was always going to beat Wisconsin. It's actually the exact same scores like four years ago. It's soldier field. We lose so high. Like once a decade, we can maybe beat Ohio State. It's how do you look against Iowa? It's how do you look against Minnesota? It's how do you look against U.S.? Like where you're in, if you're going to be back to the middle of the big 10, are you competitive against those teams? That's the test. Yeah. And the Iowa thing is amazing because the way Iowa just destroyed them last year, right? Right. Right. That was, that was like when, when Beelom beat Paul Christ. And it's like, okay, something's got to change. But yeah, in Iowa looked like it had a functional offense against the Northern. So I, I'm very intrigued now to see the Hawkeyes going forward. They got Iowa State this week, but they were moving the ball better than we're used to seeing. Yeah. And you mentioned Iowa State next week. Like that's, that's my favorite part about Iowa. Same thing. They always, well, they always open the season. You're like, Iowa's offense might be good. Then they're going to play Iowa State. And one team is going to win like 12 to 10. It's always the weirdest score. Yeah. Six to three. Yeah. Except for that one year, where it was like 44 to 41. And that was awesome. Yes. I love the sidewalk. This, this early in the season, it's hard to say. We did have, I think, maybe an all-time record for most players that did the Heisman pose after doing something in front of the game. Yes. Yes. We actually, we might see NFL week one. There might be a player that does the Heisman pose and then tries to transfer back. Go back to school. It's, you know, like possible. I mean, there's a, there's a lot of time for court hearings between now and then. But yeah. So you started with Malachi Tony. Then he had Jeremiah Smith. Yep. Florida run him out. Jaden bog gets into it. Like when Jaden bought it, I was like, okay, all right. Let's, let's not go crazy here. I, I kind of want to see. And that's my, my co-host, our washroom said, let's have the Heisman pose off between Malachi, Tony and Jeremiah Smith because they're friends from back home in South Florida. Like they know each other really well. They probably talked about it. I want to see a Heisman pose off from them. Like one per game. I like whoever, if you, whatever you think is the sickest thing you're going to do that day. Yeah. Yeah. Do they know that the Heisman pose is like, you have to keep two feet on the ground? So that was the one thing that Jaden bought one was I think more realistic. But everybody does the Desmond Howard one. Yeah. Yeah. That's what Desmond, Desmond did it. And I'm going to say he did it wrong because what he did became iconic. But against Ohio State, he runs back to kick and he does the pose. That's the pose everybody does. Yeah. Nobody does what Ed Smith from New York University did. By the way, usually people have the ball in the wrong hand. Yeah. Yeah. Two feet on the ground. I've wide base young man. No, it's flat. It's actually hard to get into. It is. It's definitely less swaggy than if you pick the one foot up. But this early in the season, who would you have if you want to, if you want to sprinkle a few coins down on Heisman trophy winner? Oh, that's right. You all haven't picked somebody yet. No. Yeah. We have a couple weeks. I did throw out. I showed up because I threw out Derry and Mensa as like a name I liked when we did the preseason. I'm such a fucking moron. I didn't bet it. So I'm sure it went down. Well, but the problem is Tony. Derry and Mensa saying and Smith, I feel like that's a problem. Yeah. I feel like you may have an issue with the stealing votes from one another. Although I will say remember when Devonte Smith won it, Mac Jones was also a finalist. So it's possible to have the QB and the receiver both get enough shine. Like if Jeremiah Smith goes and catches three touchdown passes and they beat Texas this weekend, he's going to be the guy for Ohio State that has a chance to win the Heisman. Yeah. I think Tony could be one that could win it as a receiver because I mean, you have to go back and look at how good of a season Devonte Smith had in 2020. The numbers were off the charts. It's, Tony could put up numbers like that. The problem is, Devonte Smith was playing as a ridiculous schedule. That was the all-conference schedule because it was COVID year. I don't, Tony might get knocked for who they're playing. I think CJ Carr might have a shot, guys. He's 11-1 right now. Yeah. I think there's a really good shot because they're going to be good. He's going to be, I think he's better than he was last year and he was really good last year. And you saw, they may not run the ball as well as they did last year. They lost two first round running back, so he may have to help carry them a little more. And you know what? I'm going to do it. I'm going to probably bet this because the one thing that I noticed and this is Marcus Freeman, all off season, the leave no doubt. The message from last year, where they left out and they got left out, leave no doubt. What happened on Sunday night? Luke Fickle does a cowardly punt and Marcus Freeman and Luke Fickle know each other for very, Luke Fickle coached him in Ohio State and they were with each other tonight. You think to be mutual respect. Marcus Freeman threw the ball. They were throwing the ball up 21 to the extend lead to 28. That's where you can get some Heismans, that's like those, those things matter if you, if you're going to leave no doubt, they're going to have the same, yeah, yeah. They're going to have the same quality of competition issues that Miami is going to have in Tony and Mensa are going to have. So the, you know, the archmannings, the Sam, let me, Sam Levitt, yeah, Sam Levitt could be that guy. Yeah. We could put up because remember Lane didn't unlock Trinidad until, well, Austin Simmons was the starter. Then he got hurt and then Trinidad came in and they didn't quite, I don't think understood what they had. And then once they figured it out, he was off to the races, but like Sam Levitt could be that guy doing that all season. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, next this weekend is going to be so awesome. I can't wait for this weekend at college football, Andy. It's going to be great. It's going to be so good. Listen, it's not just, it's not just Michigan, Oklahoma, it is not just Texas, Ohio, like Alabama Kentucky's fascinating Arizona, BYU is really interesting. You got Tennessee Georgia Tech, like we're going to see some fun stuff this weekend. Yeah. Is there one team that's still a major question mark in your eyes, one that you just have no idea what to make of them yet, because they haven't been tested? USC has looked great so far. I don't, I don't know that their first team defense has given up a point yet. And the young guys that they brought in who are very, very highly tired of recruits look fantastic. Trent Mosley, Mark Bowman, the tight end, Luke Wafel, the defensive end, have looked awesome. But I need to see this against better competition. So they've got a game against the rage in Cajuns and then week four, they play Oregon. That's going to tell us everything about USC. Yeah. The litmus test game for them. It was last year. I want to see if this is for real because Lincoln Riley, his rhetoric was very different this season. Previous off seasons, it was a lot of excuses. It was a lot of, here's what, here's the crap I inherited. This is why we can't win none of that this year, none of it. It was we have what we need. The window is open. And the Gary Patterson defensive coordinator, I mean, did you see Gary Patterson celebrating that shout out against Fresno State like they, they wanted that bad. Yeah. And I get it. It's Fresno State. But the thing is shutouts are hard. So if it's USC, which we've bagged on their defense for as long as Lincoln Riley has been there, who knows if they, if they've got a good defense now, they're, they're a potential playoffs. All right. Andy, the game's about to start Zach. You're up. Roeback question. Okay, come promo code take 20% off your first purchase, Q's, it's Polo's hoodies, jogger shorts, rowback.com promo code take Andy is a big fan of you, Zach, because we've finally got Florida, before Zach asked his, his question, speaking of Florida representation. So in, in the Mount Rushmore on Friday, when Zach said, waiting in line for gas, before a hurricane, my, my Floridian heart almost exploded because that is the worst. So I, you guys are talking about Chipotle, I don't know, that was one of Zach's two, but that is the worst thing ever. Yeah. Justice for Zach. It was actually a great pick. Yeah. It was too niche. Andy, but I appreciate you have my back there. I mean, it means more than you know, I did a quick question. I know you're in Tallahassee tonight and you're a Florida man, but Gator through and through. What is your unbiased ceiling for Florida state this season? So for Florida, for Florida, Florida state, because I can give you both, give us both. Florida state. I'll take both. Yeah. I think it feels fairly low. But Florida, boy, the offense looked good on Saturday night and they didn't, they hadn't looked that good since, since Dan Mullin was there offensively. And everything John Sumerall has done since he got in there has been, he's made the right step. He said the right things. But the question was, what's it going to look like on the field? And the fact that the offense looks so smooth that Buster Fogger and the office coordinator, he brought an offense that didn't look exactly like what he was running with Haynes King at Georgia Tech. He looked like he had built something bespoke around Aaron Filo, who's the quarterback he brought from Georgia Tech and Jayden Baugh and Bernal Brown III and Dallas Wilson. Like they, they got a lot of talent. So I'm very intrigued to see what they can do. I don't necessarily think they're a playoff team. I think that they defensively, I'm not sure how good they're going to be up front, not sure how good they're going to be in the back end. But this is a team that should be better than the Billy Napier teams. Could be an eight, nine win type team. The schedule is brutal, but I think this could be an eight, eight, nine win type team. I appreciate that. Thank you, sir. There we go. Good question, Zach Andy. You're the best man. We'll talk to you later on in the season. Everyone listen to Andy and Ari on on three network and he will, I think they're going to do, they'll have a live report from Florida State SMU. I don't know if we're going to, we're probably going to record before the end of the game. So just listen to them if you're a Florida state or SMU fan. That's right. We will, we will be breaking it down now. Look, if it gets out of hand, we may start at the beginning of the fourth quarter, but I don't know. This is a crowd that expects better than that. I don't think that they'd be real happy here, but yeah, Ossiola and Renegade are about to come out. So I'm going to go watch that the flaming spear hit the turf and best sport in the world. Thank you, guys. Yes. Thank you for the best. Love you. All right. Andy Staples is brought to you by our great friends over at NutriFull. If your hair is not performing like it used to this summer, the move isn't a hat. It's addressing the root cause. NutriFull works on the inside out is backed by real credentials. They are the number one recommended by dermatologist hair growth supplement brand used by over 1.5 million people. They've got formulas built for men at different life stages. NutriFull men for guys 18 to 49 and the new NutriFull men 50 plus, which is the first product of its kind, specifically made for men over 50, sorry, we're he more. It addresses the root causes of thinning wherever you're at in life, grow visibly thicker, fuller hair three to six months. 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Well, Big Cat, I appreciate you guys having me on it. It's an honor. I enjoy watching you guys, you guys are hilarious. And you know, I hope that I would be on this podcast under different circumstances as well. So, you know, we'll pretend here. Yeah. Okay. All right. So yeah, go ahead. I was going to ask because I saw at the end of the game, like a lot of different people that were watching that game, I ended up changing the channel after the clock hit zero. And it looked like you got to celebrate that game a little bit. You celebrated a big win. I'm just curious, how long did you live in a reality in a world where Western Michigan had just beaten Michigan in the big house? Yeah, I mean, you know, there are pictures that have kind of gone viral with me throwing up the dogs, you know, which, you know, I got to be honest. guys with that hurt even more, you know, just having lived in that moment actually celebrating the first, you know, you think the game's over, you look up to clocks are at zero. You know, honestly, our sideline rushed the field, our fans were starting to go crazy behind our bench. And then the rest kind of stopped us about halfway out and just said, this is only a review coach, you got to get your players back on the sideline. So at that point, I immediately tried the reset because, you know, I still have my headset on and I told our coaches to say, hey, we may have another play here. Let's get our guys back on the sideline and try to reset and refocus. So it was short-lived, but it was it was lived long enough to, you know, really rip your heart out. Yeah, yeah. So have you had, have you gotten, you guys have been gracious and defeat and not, you know, complained about the ruling. But what was the best explanation that you've gotten from anyone who's like, this is exactly what happened. Yeah, well, I'll say this. I think, you know, one, I appreciate, you know, our president, you know, president Cavalona, you've probably seen him in the interviews. Like, he bleeds browning gold, you know, he's a former prosecutor. He is sharp. He's smart. He's, you know, he's behind us the whole way. And he's wanted to pursue this to the fifth degree. And, you know, I think one, you know, I want people to know, you know, like, we wanted, I mean, we wanted answers as well. We weren't just going to let this go. You know, whether there was anything that we could do about it or not, we wanted to make sure that, you know, our kids have been, you know, our, our young men, our team had been treated fairly and given a fair shake. And I don't know that there's been an answer that has been, you know, that we've loved. What I will say is, is the big 10 officials on Saturday night after the game, actually on the bus ride home. And we had gone back and forth with our commissioner in the Mac and then the big 10 officials. And they, you know, said, hey, you know, we will produce the official review and the, you know, send you that video evidence. We have video of the actual clock and audio from the video booth. And so what they did, I was on the bus, on the bus ride home. And they sent us a video. It was from the official review booth where you could hear audio of the official, the review officials talking in real time as they're watching the play and the, you know, countdown clock going off. And they, you know, put it in super slow mo and, you know, pause each frame. And okay, the ball touched his hand. Here's where where the second was, you know, it was, it was 10th of a second, you know, I'll say that. And, you know, at that point, you know, we felt like they, they've cooperated with us. Do we love the fact that it doesn't match or marry the video board, but, you know, a clock or it doesn't sync with the clock on the TV on NBC? No, we didn't love that. That's not an ideal situation or scenario for anybody. And to me, that's not fair to fans. Or to, to my team, as you're trying to explain, hey guys, you know, I know it says the clock said zero. Right. There was a different clock that we were actually looking at syncing, you know, yeah, that's hard to explain to, to, you know, young men and the fans. And I think, you know, I think college football deserves better. Yeah, I agree. The secret clock thing doesn't, that doesn't fly too high. Like that's, we saw that with the World Cup this summer. It's like the secret clock is good for nobody, except for somebody that might have an agenda that might want things to go in their direction, whatever that might, might be. But now you've got a job to do as a coach where you've got a team that went out there and fought their ass off was a very physical team. So a lot of people would say outplayed Michigan in that game. If we're looking at the totality of it. And now you have to find a way to, to not let this throw the entire season sideways. So what's the vibe been inside the locker room, just in the, in the brief amount of time we've got to spend with the guys and where do you see this going from this point on? Well, I've been really proud of our team, just how they've handled this because, I mean, it's an emotional rollercoaster now. I mean, it's like, it's, it's the craziest thing I've ever been on. And as, as, as, in 20 years of coaching, and then, you know, I haven't been a player as well. This is the wildest ending that I've, I've ever had. And especially, you know, you get, we just talked about it, thinking you won the game, going out, actually celebrating. And then having another play that, uh, there, there becomes a different outcome. I think it was very tough for our players. Everybody saw an NBC kind of after the game. You know, our players on the field, there were tears in the locker room. Um, and that's hard as a head coach is you come in the locker room because what do you, what do you say? I mean, they laid it all on the line. They played their hearts out. And to me, that was really the message. I wanted to be real and authentic with our team. Like, Hey, guys, I love you. I'm proud of you. This stinks. There's nothing I can say or do that's going to take that away. But at the end of the day, it really is about how we respond because whether you, you know, whether we won that game or not, and that would have been a huge win. We'd never beaten Miss again. It would have been an unbelievable win and, and, you know, and really, um, our season and, and, and our, um, in the history of Western Michigan football. Yeah. But our goals are still on the table. Like not in our conference. You know, we still play a great G6 opponent and Boise State. We can go still win the mic. All of our goals are still on the table. And so that's what you really just try to impress upon the guys is like, listen, you hurt and you should hurt right now because you laid it all on one. And there's a lot of people proud of you because of how you played. And you proved on national television that you can't, you came in the big house and played with a nationally ranked football team and went toe to toe. And a team who is traditionally known as a physical football team, you were more physical than them. Yeah. Yeah. They're head coach told me that at the end of the game. We saw it on the field. Everybody who watch this game regardless of what the scoreboard said can take that away. Yeah. I mean, can't take that. Can't take that away. They can put another second back on the clock, but they can't take that away. All right. I love that message. Let me add another one. I think you got to tell the guys, hey, look, let's put the, let's put the committee in a bind. Let's, let's, let's win the rest of our games and put the committee in a bind because I bet you, if you guys run the table, like you said, you play Boise, that could be an elimination game. If you're, if you're able to, to win the Mac and run the table in the Mac, that committee, if you only have one loss next year name, come, come after Thanksgiving. And the one loss is a game that's like, Hey, they got screwed. That's, that's, that's the message is like you control everything right now. And you've been, you've been a great coach. I mean, the turnaround you've done at Western Michigan, winning the Mac last year. Do you feel like, as I know, it happened Saturday night, were you around the guys today on Monday? Could you feel the vibe shift back where it's like, all right, now we've turned the page and we're ready to go. I did. Yeah, I mean, and that's a great point, big cat because that was, that was honestly what we talked about today. It was like, you got the attention of the, you know, see the committee. You got the attention of the college football world. Now what are we going to do with it? Right. And I think that's what's been pretty cool. I mean, you know, it's, it's kind of been an emotional rollercoaster. I feel like I've been, you know, pulled a bunch of different directions, um, trying to be there for my team and our staff and coaches. And they've done an excellent job. Like they've probably handled it better at, you know, at times that I have, you know, I'm selfish. I wanted to win that game. You know, they've done a great job of, hey, you know, let's reset and refocus, um, and get back to work. They were awesome today when I saw them. And that's, you know, we've got great leadership. Like one of the things I'm proud of is, is we, we won the Mac Championship last year. We won 10 games. We won 10 of our last 11 games. And we didn't lose a single offensive or defensive starter in the transfer world. And that just doesn't happen in the G five anymore. I mean, almost all of those guys, you know, were offered more money to go to bigger schools with more bells and whistles. And they decided to come back to, to, to Western Michigan. And I think that that shows, you know, that there, there's a belief in buy-in and what we're doing. And that they want to play with each other that there's something special here at WMU. And they feel like we can have a really special team. And I think that that showed on Saturday night, uh, for everybody is what I've seen for, for a long time that we can have a special team. Yeah. I know you want to move forward and as a good coach, that's probably where your mindset should be. But as a, a fan of the sport, I'm still dwelling on the ending of that game and how it does feel like it was, it was an all-time moment that was ripped from you and ripped from the, the, the players on your team that worked so hard to make it happen. And watching it back, even with the explanation that they gave, which I, I would, I would highly doubt that they would have spent that much time trying to find another second if the shoe was on the other foot. And you all were attempting those Hail Mary's at the last second. Um, but has anybody given you an explanation to the fact that on the Big 10 video, you can't actually see the ball when it touches your player's hand on the, on the new angle with the clock overlay that we didn't see earlier, you still can't ever see that you can guess and say, you know, with a, some degree of certainty that you think that's when it hit them, but you don't actually see the ball touch. No, I mean, listen, most of it doesn't make sense. And it really does, you know, the stories don't necessarily match the video evidence. And listen, when you go into video review, it's just like any other, you know, what we've been told is there has to be inconclusive evidence that the colon the field, like there's something different than what the colon the field was. Yeah. Well, they blew the game out like the game was over, right? And then they bring us back to, to look at the video. And then they put one second back on the clock. So yeah, I mean, you know, I don't know that I'm, you know, we're satisfied with, you know, um, the explanation or even the evidence that, that they've shown. Um, I think at the end of the day, you know, for us, it's, it's about moving on. And, and For me as a head coach, listen, I was there in the press conference after the game. And my two young, you know, my wife and two kids are sitting there, you know, my son is 12, my daughter is eight, you know, they're six and fourth grade and you know, I'm trying, you know, I'm trying to show them how to handle adversity in a way that, you know, I probably want to get up there and pitch a fit. You know, there's a side of me that's selfish and I want to go out and go on a ramp and really say what I want to say and say how I really feel, but I don't think that does anybody any good, you know, certainly doesn't do our players any good. And, you know, doesn't set the right example, even though that's probably, you know, humanly, you know, from a human standpoint and selfishly, you want, you want to do. And so, you know, but I, I didn't know, I didn't know even at that point, like our president and, you know, we were going to, you know, make sure that we pursued that to get some sort of answer, whether whether it was accurate or not. But we were basically told after the game, like, listen, it doesn't matter what, what's the term, like they're now coming the game is not changing. That's, that's basically what we were told. Yeah. The clock and what's the clock is officially zero and they submit the score. It's not changing. Yeah, once a clock hits negative one second, we can't do anything to change. But, but like I said, you have, like, I do think your team, the profile that you're going to gain from this is going to be with what you, it depends on what you guys are able to do with it. But everyone's going to be rooting for Western Michigan going forward. And I will say we, we're, we're big grit guys on this podcast. We've been doing a grit week for 10 years. You have grit on your helmet. Yeah. We usually save this for grit week. But what is, what is the word grit mean to you? And what, what is, how are you applying grit in this situation? Yeah. And that was something that our players, our leadership council, two years ago said that, you know, that they wanted to embody. And, you know, really wanted the identity and mentality of our football team to be. And really it's, you know, we're going to do whatever it takes to win. And it's going to, you know, we're going to train from in a gritty, in a gritty way in everything that we do from how we train, how we live, to how we condition, to how we practice. And ultimately, grit is not something that we put on a t-shirt, but it's, but it's how we live. And so our guys, if kind of anybody that, if you watch just the past two years, I think that we have a gritty style of play, our quarterback is gritty. We say it's not always pretty, but it's going to be gritty. And I think that's a tough physical brand of football that, you know, we're going to find a way to win the game. And honestly, you know, that was a way I felt on Saturday night. I had complete confidence and belief in our team. Because over the last two years, we have found ways to win almost every single close game. Even when we were down under two minutes to Toledo, we had to score a touchdown and get a two point conversion. You know, we were down late, you know, you know, in our rivalry game against Central Michigan. We have to score on fourth and sixth from the goal line to beat Central Michigan. And all of those things, you know, culminated, we've just been a gritty football team, whatever or however it takes to find a way to win a football game. Our kids have found a way to do that. So yeah, that's awesome. What was your message here to you? We'll send you some, yeah, some Michigan, some grit, some grit hats. I love that. Yeah. Yeah, where am I? Put the helmet off. For sure. What was the final message to your team before the game? Because it did look like you guys weren't scared. That's one thing anybody could see from the get-go. It's like that Western Michigan, they believe they could win it. So what did you tell them in that in that final speech before kickoff? I just said we belong. We prepared for the moment. You guys are ready. We've had a great week of preparation. And you prepared starting in the winter, summer, how we trained. And, you know, have the confidence and belief in each other that we do belong and believe in each other and fight for 60 minutes. I think they did so that they went out there and did it. There was, you know, there was an area, you know, calm and confidence. A lot of times in those, you know, P4 games, especially like in the big house in game one. You know, there's a control chaos where the noise, the fans, the moment almost seems, you know, too big sometimes for, you know, in those moments. I think our guys just handled the poison, you know, that poison noise. It was pretty cool to see they were confident that we were going to win there in the end. Yeah. All right coach. I got one last question for you. It's a rowback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K dot com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips polo's hoodies joggers shorts rowback dot com promo code take. I'm sure you saw in the Mac. I'm a big Mac fan. Akron trying to they did that whole promotion where someone's going to get to be a offensive coordinator for the first drive. I was a finalist. I was close. I was one of eight. I saw. Yeah. Do you have shark wheel in your playbook? Okay. So you got a diagram shark will form me. I don't know. It's literally just a running back coming out of the flat and running like down the sideline. I would use to have the quarterback roll out to the same side. Put the linebacker in hell, hit him for a touchdown and then spam that play like 25 times computer never catches up. We actually called that in the Michigan game. Oh, okay. They they covered the running back. We hit the tight end on the leap coming back. Love that. Okay. Yeah, it was it was a good completion for us in the Michigan game. You have to go back and watch it. All right. So yeah, more shark wheel. That would be only advice you. Yeah, just spam that play. It's hard. It's hard to defend. Well, you know, you didn't win the opportunity to call a play for Akron. Maybe we can make it happen where you have a play for Western Michigan here, you know. Now it would be fun. Sounds like a pretty cool idea. Yeah, we should. We'll bring all the boys out out to Kalamazoo. You got a great time. You got to be careful off from that because we've got a whole file of dumb ass ideas. We might really weigh down your program. Those are always the best players though. Yeah, that's not going to work. There's no chance. Yeah. Get ready to learn fake pun pun or maybe like a triple fake flea flicker. You toss it back. Then you fake the toss again. Then you run it. We got it. Yeah, we'll make you so much worse. Just give us a second. Yeah. We're ready to go. Well coach, thank you so much. Really, really respect the hell out of you guys in your program. You guys fought your asses off on Saturday night. Like I said at the start, you would have probably been doing all the shows. And it's bullshit that that doesn't happen. So we wanted to have you on and we'll definitely rep some Western Michigan stuff. And if we can ever make it to Kalamazoo for a game, we'd love to come. Really appreciate it. You guys have me on. You guys are the best. Appreciate it. Lance Taylor was brought to you by Bluetooth. Guys, quarterbacks don't retire because they got old. They retired because they refused to adapt. And some of you were doing the same thing in the bedroom. You used to have a cannon. Now you're out there playing with the fladed balls. Allegedly, look, they don't test for performance enhancers in the bedroom. So it's time to check out Bluetooth gold. Bring those glory days back. Bluetooth gold is better sex and a tablet. 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At what point in the two week sex vacation where you're like, "All right, this is too much sex." I wouldn't say it was too much sex. I will say. Damn, dude, you got one. Vince Cardi got one more in me? No such thing, am I right? I was having the perfectly average amount of sex. That's what I said. I'm not a marathon guy. That's exactly verbatim what I say about my height. Yeah. I run the football when it comes to the bedroom. How was the honeymoon? It was very nice. I will say at day 10, I was like, "I miss the boys." Yeah. I wanted to come back to the boys. Two weeks was a long time. I had a really good time. Where did you go? I went everywhere. We would go for one place for like two days and then we would go somewhere else. Tell us where you went. Peace. As. Centro pay. What country are these places? Those are all in France. Okay. That was the one week in France. Did you go like banana hammock at the beach? No. Okay, you were in like-- I was wearing-- You should have worn the max speedo. Yeah. No, I don't even own one of those. I did see that oldie was ripping at at camp though. Yeah. Yeah. He looked good. Yeah, he looked good. He was ripping at his friend. Yeah. He looked good. And then I did. Piedmont, Lake Como, Milan, Italy. Wow. I don't think that was an Italian noise that you just made. Yeah. You're a little late on the French. But it was awesome. It was definitely like a once-in-a-lifetime trip. It was the best meal you had. Alfredo. People were getting on you for the Alfredo tweet. No. Alfredo's-- Alfredo's just not. Like, the Alfredo that people think in America, you'll never find that right that's what I'm saying so you treating that was crazy. Oh right. I thought you were people were getting on me got a guy. No, you tweeted out how much Alfredo. Right. Right. And Alfredo forgot that I forgot that was a tweet that came from my account. There are a couple there were a couple of tweets that came from my account that were not me. But that's fine. That is what it is. It is what it is favorite favorite meal for me. My favorite trip was actually Piedmont. I went there for two nights one day. Just like wine wine country in Italy like very, very small town. Went to a couple of. You were just me and handling those wine glasses. Oh yeah. Hundred percent. And we went to like you gotta be the most American guy. Oh yeah. It was well it was the slow season for that like town. So we went to two different wine tastings where there were supposed to be like five people there and and me and my wife were the only people at both of the wine tastings. So it was just us and like the guide who barely spoke English at both of the ones that we went to. And they just kept pouring us more wine because they like ran out of things to say that they were like, oh we're only supposed to give you this much but we'll give you more. We'll give you more. Oh yeah. So that was cool. All right. Best meal. Best meal was also was also in Piedmont. See here's the thing. We did like a fan like a fancy Michelin dinner one night and then we also did just like the normal hotel dinner. Michelin no two different nights. The mission was banged in Italy. We did no muck banging. I've always this is actually this is actually be getting in the muck bang game but that's a different story. What's the muck bang exactly? You just put food everywhere. You eat and you talk about what you're eating. Yeah. Zach, you should. But like if you eat a lot of food like those guys go crazy. You should be muck like those accounts go absolutely nuts. Yeah, we're like where like there's like a love seat. They open it up and it's just ravioli. There's a guy on TikTok right now who's doing Chinese buffet reviews. And he I saw that until he gets food poisoning. Yeah. He is awesome. He's my favorite guy online. Yes. He's awesome. I saw that the other day. That's aside from the point of this vacation. It was a very fun vacation. Piedmont was the best food. Did you meet any Pia Mante? Any Philly fans over there? No. Lake Como is America. That's the other thing I found. Yeah. Everyone in Lake Como is American and it is very much it's a great place. Absolutely beautiful. But like there's no Italian people there. No, so no no birds fans. No, there were that like I no one came up to me for like the first 10 days of the trip when I was in France and in Piedmont. Then when I got to Lake Como, I was like just like I was in it was just all different American people visiting. So there was some Eagles chance going? I wouldn't say Eagles chance, but it was go birds. Did you do any Eagles chance? No. No, like I did say go birds at all. Yeah. No, I did not. It's been it's been over two weeks since you've said go birds. No, I was saying go birds. Oh, okay. Because yeah, well in Lake Como. That'd be funny if like the first 10 days when Max had no one coming up to him as a wife was like, yeah, you just keep saying go birds and you're sleeping. I could have been doing this. Get out of your system. She wears. She wears ear plugs. Oh, yeah. Yeah. My wife like it strapped up. She looks like she's an astronaut. Fucking face mask. The ear plugs. The fan. I did listen to the one day where you were like these these gifts better be good. They better not be shot glasses. Yeah, I mean, I think it's like it's kind of similar. It's like, you know, if you get fired from a job, you get severance. You get severance for how long you've been there. You were gone for 14, 15 days. You missed some pretty big stuff. You missed the camp bar stool. You missed the grudge match. Some big, big stuff. So the gifts should be appropriate to how long you were gone. Okay. So I did I'd already gotten the other gifts. So we have two rounds of gifts. We have two rounds of gifts. Oh, so give us the shitty gifts first. I love this. This is actually great. So the first round start with this. So this is the one that gives before you heard us saying you better bring back good gifts. Correct. A lot of some of these are for the booth boys too. And then the guys outside. You just got us pasta. You know, those are foods. No, no, no, no, no, I got I got I did get you food. You big cat. This is this is authentic Italian pistachio cream. Actually fantastic. Is that for your face? No, you eat it. You eat this? Yes. It's so good. Okay. I don't know big pistachio guy, but that's fine. Red that one wrong. You want to hate. I have hazelnut as well. No, I don't like hazelnut either. You don't. Okay, that's I'll take the pistachio. Just really. It's almost like good. It's actually not different. The only thing you brought you. Stasio cream. So you put this. You put this on your face. No, you put on like toast. Oh, good for wrinkles. I think you put on your eyes. No, you definitely don't put on your eyes. You jack off. PFT. This is from a farmer's market in Antib actually. They had a bunch of different jams. And this was the best one. They had a bunch of like taste things. Wait, wait, what flavor jam is melon? I've never had it before. I know that I see you eat on crossbows every day. So I thought maybe you would try that. That's true. And I love melons. Yeah. By the way, I would like to just say that I am open to trades on the pistachio cream. Hank, you got the, it's not Italian. It's like Nutella. Like coffee for coffee? No, it's all it's like Nutella. What do you mean? I just said it's like Nutella, and you ask if it's like, if it's for coffee? It's hazelnut. Yes. Nutella is made out of hazelnut. It's really melony. Do you want some pistachio cream? I don't know. I love pistachio. Do you like melons? Yeah, yeah. Let's trade. Yeah, all right. Good. pistachio is my favorite nut. I'd like to trade the melon for any pasta that you might have. All right. Fine. Hank has a hazelnut. Oh, good. It tastes like Nutella. All right. Great gift. Pasta. This is good gift. I also have an Elton John bobble head for someone. Yeah. I just got this. Yeah. All right. We'll just put this on. Max already broken. I don't know. Max, this no, no, he's good. It honestly did break in transit, but my wife had super glue that we that we were able to use. pistachio cream is incredible. I also have this bobble head for somebody else. What's that? Messy. I know a perfect guy for that one. This will be that'll be for you. All right. Would you like me to get to my other gifts? Yeah. Wait. So wait. What did the, what did beams get? Uh, uh, pasta. You just, you just spammed pasta. Memes got, uh, Dicking balls for shock glasses. Okay. Wait. Oh, no. Tits. So you had all these gifts. Hell yeah. And you heard us being like, you better not bring us back shock glasses. I had all of those gifts before, before you said, okay. So these are good pre gifts. This is actually really, then I was in Milan. And I was like, all right, like my last trip was Milan before or after you, I heard all of that. And I was like, what is Milan known for? Milan is known for designer items. So I went to a designer outlet store. All right. And tried to find designer items that I could bring back. Turns out even a designer outlet store, the brands that you think has a big, big wind up. They're, they're still extremely expensive. Okay. So, so you don't love us? Is that what you're trying to say? He's like, bear that in mind. Don't love us. So I went to the counterfeit guy. So my first gift is a pair of product socks for big cat. Oh wow. I, I, I will never wear those socks. They're product to their product. These are products. Where would I ever wear those socks? You, you wear a suit for, for advisors once a week. And I, and you can wear them out of socks. Sweep pants underneath. All right, give them to me. These are products. And products are officially open to trades. Here's the other thing. Nothing in Italy is a to is. You almost docs. We do. You almost docs me. That was fucked up. Proud of you almost docs. My fucking size. My next thing. I think I, you had to stop yourself. Well, you're, well, how much Italy two ex and like, I didn't think that you were an Italy one ex. Yeah. How much of those socks cost a lot. 250 dinero. Whoa. I don't know what that is. Lyra. No, they were marked. They were marked. That's the euro that 250 euro. I think it was 130 euro. That was marked down from 200. All of this is from I went to a outlet store. But it was all, I spent like a thousand euro at this place on this. That's too much. On shitty stuff. Well, you told me I didn't, I know Italian flag or like a some, what is it? What does that fucking mean? You know what I'm saying? I just want to make that like a velour. Yeah. So then my next thing, tiny flute. Once I were, also, that was the only name brand of anything in the store that I could have got was those products. Okay. So that is a beautiful product. So I think would you like the products? No. Okay. They're product products. I don't like some products. Yeah, but you've got to be able to show them off or else it's like you're I'm wearing designer but look like those are socks you'd wear underneath pants, no one would ever see. - They have the product like that. - They have it all logo on the sock. - They're legit. And then once I realized that was like, I need to just find for your bat at home. (laughing) - All right, deal. - Yeah, totally, totally, totally. - Put the product of socks on that. - Okay, so then once I realized that we weren't gonna be able to get the name brand of name brands, I just started to look for funny stuff inside of this store. - And that started with-- - You went to like the Italian sputters gifts. - You, you blew your whole budget on the pair of socks. (laughing) - All right, here we go, now we're getting over. - So this is from, my wife was also looking with me, I was like, I need to come back with good gifts. Unironically, she was like, I think Hank would look really good. - Oh, that is nice. - So this is for Hank. - What is that saying on it? - BFD actually has two here. - Okay. - What? - No strap. - I don't know what it says, but-- - She was like, I could see Hank there. - Yeah, I like that thing with it. - PFT, you actually have two, and you have the option to gift one of these to a friend. - Okay. - Or join forces with a friend. - Or what about trading for proud of socks? - Trade them for proud of socks, all right? - The first is, I feel like you need louder sweatpants. - Yes, I do, yeah. - That's what pants can't have been-- - You, those are gross. (laughing) - No, those are juicy sweatpants. - These are not juicy sweatpants. - There's nothing on the butt. - But, there's nothing on the butt. - Nothing on the butt. - That's how you can tell us. - These are perfectly men's. - Are we sure about that? - Okay, so now I'm understanding. - Yes, what size is that? - This is a large-- - Okay, so now I'm understanding why I can only get-- - This is a large, but it, I felt like it good work for PFT. - Okay, yeah, like that J-MU color. - Yeah, this is why I agree. - Part two of this gift, I got you a Gerry O'Connell shirt. - Oh, no. - Then you see the gift to Gerry O'Connell, or if you wanna play the card of Gerry O'Connell. - Well, I mean, Gerry, he did take over fantasy full ownership for me. So I think I have to at least try it on. - Yeah. - We have to see if it fits. - Thank you, Max. - Great gift. - Isn't good sweatpants. - I think the next one, I'll give to memes. I think he actually will really like. Fanny pack for memes, or I think this is a Fanny pack. It's a bag. It's a bag for memes and all. - Oh, that's sick. Let me see it. - Well Zach also got one too. - Whoa. - Zach says, oh sweet. - I kinda want the mess. - Memes, you want some socks? - I do like socks. - The socks are, Zach will take the, I know Zach would appreciate the product socks. - All gifts are appreciated. - Huh? - I can't. - Yeah. - This is cool, this is a cool little bag. - Good bag. - Nice. - It's like a purse. - And then there's another bag. This one is around the waist. - All right. - This one could be, could be dicey. It's a little, but you know, we'll figure that out. - I'm getting lost in the fish bag. - Okay. - That's good gifts. - And yeah. I have some others. - Show us what the other ones are. - I have. - I got this for Shane. - Oh, that's perfect for Shane. - This felt like a Shane shirt to me. - Shane, get in here. - You know what? - I want to say put that on. - That's actually a great date shirt for Shane. - And then, I have some bucket hats. - I tried to look for the biggest shirts for Colton. Like I said. - They don't do, they don't do, they don't. - Let me see the bucket hats. - What do you think? - That looks good. - Should I give this to Jerry or should I keep it? - I should keep it. - He's like a guy from 51st days. - I kind of feel hot in this. - I feel like it looks good. - I feel good for kick and field goals tomorrow. - I feel beautiful, yeah. - What, let me see the bucket hats. - Well, you got light headers. - Blue one. Blue one for Jacob. - Let me see. - That's great. - Gators. - Gators. - Oh, I can't really catch my socks on. - And then, this black one here. - Shrinkers for Colton. - Matching buckets for the boys. - I like those. - I also have olive oil for-- - Shane, put that shirt on. - I got olive oil for Colton, because Pug loves olive oil and Colton is just Pug. - And-- - And-- - Yup. - Are you sure if you change the shirt? - Where's the shirt? What happened to him? Out right here. - Oh, yeah, that is a Shane shirt. (laughs) - I thought you would really like it. And it was the next L. - Shane, with those sweatpants in that shirt, you look ready to go to a strip club. (laughs) - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That looks good. I mean, that shirt, that's good looking shirt. - That's a good shirt. You like my socks, Shane? (laughs) - Prada. - It's pretty cool, they're prada. - Prada, over to you. - Yup. - Thank you. - All right, good job. - Yeah, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it. - No, you did a good job. We're happy you're back. - You missed the fuck out. - This is sick. - You look great. - This is sick. - What'd you think about Pete Prisco's appearance on the show? - I think you guys did a really good job with defending Jalen Hertz. - I did not. - I think you guys did a really, really good job of defending just somebody else. - Would you take Trevor Lawrence to the Jalen Hertz? - I would take Jalen Hertz. - Would you, you sure? - Yeah. - What if they switch rosters? - Would you rather have Jalen Hertz on the Jaguars or Trevor Lawrence on the Eagles? - I would like to see Trevor Lawrence with Kevin Tullo as his offensive coordinator. - What do you want us to mean? - What about Trevor Lawrence with Kevin Moore as his offensive coordinator? - He would probably be pretty good. - Yeah, he's better than Jalen Hertz. - I don't know if he, what? He's gonna win two syllables? - Maybe. - Yeah, you don't know. Well, Jalen Hertz could have won multiple syllables. - No, right, I know. - Where if Trevor Lawrence didn't fumble that ball. - Jalen Hertz is batting 1,000 for super balls with no more. - Yes, with no more. - Oh, with no more. - Right. - He was there for once. - I guess we'll never know. - Yeah. - Boy, I can't do better. - No, he could. - Trevor Lawrence. - MVP and Super Bowl. - Well, he wants Super Bowl. - No, I know, but MVP of the league. - And Super Bowl MVP would be better. - Okay, maybe. - So it sounds like there's still room. - I can't wait for Sunday night. (Jalen laughs) - Yeah. - The fact that you guys are playing in the afternoon to this crazy, I hate that part of the game. - Matt, you have to like demolish them. - No, he might. - No, I know, I wish there was a buffer game. Like a warm up game. Like let me, like. - Right into it. - The fact that we gotta go right into it. - Yeah. - And then we're, - Max and our Super Bowl. - Chicago league. - Chicago league. - The, there's a very good chance, a high chance that the Bears and Eagles played Monday night football and then the Phillies and Cubs play the NL wild card the next day, three game series. - All in Chicago. - Possibly. - Possibly all in Chicago. - Cubs have to, - Cubs have to. - Cubs just, I don't, the pitching is just, and he's just doing out historic things every game then they're like, oh, and then (blows kiss) - The Phillies and the Cubs are also just, the complete opposite teams. - Yeah. - Phillies offense gets so fucking cold but their starting pitching is insane. - So it'll be fun. - So yeah. - It'll be really fun. - All right. - That'll actually be an incredible week for this podcast. - Like we would, we would just, every night we would go to a different game. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. - Yeah, I don't know if I can get, I don't know if I can go to all, but I pick the playoff games over the Monday and football game. But yeah. We would probably, yeah. - Yeah. - If it's in Philadelphia, we'll go to Monday and football and then stream the others. - Yeah. - I'm excited for playoff baseball. - And then we got Jets Bears on that Sunday. - I think the Jets are gonna be good. - Yeah, Sunday. I can't wait for Sunday. - Sunday. - Sunday, stand out, wait for Sunday. - Yeah, I have the, I have the, I have the, I'm back, I'm back to being overconfident. - Wait, who's the June swing last week has been 180 degrees flipped around. - Who do the bucks have week one? - Week one, we play. - You gotta know this. - You got exact, this is bad preparation. You gotta know week one. - You gotta know. - In week one. - In any bangle. - You gotta know me. - Are we asking to where we play? (laughing) - Yeah, I have the perfect week, the panthers, the perfect week one get. Gotta win it. But it's like, no pressure, no pressure. Like the Vikings are playing the Packers. - All right, numbers three. - Five. - One, 15. - And 10. - 55. - 89. - 69. - Anyone get it while it was gone? - No, means then. - Which of its eos come in every three four? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, in the afternoon too. America's game of the week. - Is it? - Probably, I just said it, you said it, you said it right. - And beat it one. - 21. - Let's do one more. - Great. - Let's see, get. - Three. - 10. - 13. - Happy birthday to Mark Andrews. Happy birthday to Matthew Delavidova, the goat, happy birthday Kevin Love. Happy birthday to the Gillette Stadium Lighthouse. - Fuck yeah. - Patrick's. - Fuck yeah. - Real Lighthouses don't have birthdays. - That's a great birthday though. - Happy birthday to Jonathan Taylor Thomas. 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