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Nationwide based on sports book predictions and free-to-play sports contest availability. Ferrys by state. Limited time offer. Opening weekend, the real opening weekend of college football. I have some thoughts. I'm going to talk with Nate Tyson about some of the stuff that I don't get to. So I don't want to double up on everything. Again, Nate Tyson who loves, I think Saturday as much as I do. He joining us every Monday and we'll do some NFL overunders with him. But let's start it off in Bat Rouge on Saturday night because that was pure domination by LSU. You wondered what the Kiffin offense was going to look like. The assumption would be that it's going to look pretty good if they're healthy and same love. It's back there and it was just an absolute train. Some of the stats from this game. At one point, LSU was up 21-1 in first downs against Clemson. They had over what? They had 644 total yards, 309 rushing yards, which is kind of the whole thing with LSU the last two years is, can you run the football? LSU was last in the SEC in rushing per game. Bama was second to last. I can't imagine the last time or if that's ever happened in the SEC where those two schools were that bad at running the football. And a lot of it had to do with Dylan Jones at running back who came over from Wisconsin. I can't help but immediately look up some of the transfer portal stuff because it's still kind of new for me too, like catching up on all the rosters. You can read stuff and then it's like, oh, that guy, all right. So he was a four-star running back, number 10 running back in his high school class when he came to Wisconsin a couple of years ago. He ended up with 92 total carries. I guess they just didn't want to play him. So in the transfer portal, he drops to a three-star, which this stuff, like I don't necessarily blame the people for doing it because it's like, well, they didn't use them. So why are we going to keep? But it's like, you just downgraded him because he didn't play. And he went from the number 10 running back to the number 75 running back. Well, that's not true because he was a beast and he's getting the touches over some much heralded recruits. They're still on this roster, fearless. You're just not going to hear from, I don't know. The other transfer stuff that happened Jordan Ross off the edge. He was the number one edge guy five star that was at Tennessee. Prince Well, who comes over from Ole Miss was ridiculous. They didn't even really use. I don't think 99, the freshman, Deuce Gerald's, all that much. And they were able to run the football. I would tell you though, the Sam Levitt part of this and this is the reason why I brought up the Jackson dark comps is that it's a lot of fun and it's really competitive. And Herb Street kept calling him like Baker Mayfield in place with his defensive mindset, you know, like a safety linebacker. That's what Herb Street kept saying on the call. And it makes it, it just scares the shit out of me then. It's like, is he going to be able to stay healthy for 12 straight games? The same reason why the Jackson dark thing I kind of go, all right, we'll see because I don't like when quarterbacks instinctively want to bail that quickly. Eventually, I think you have to figure out how do I stay in the passing play here before I go to something that definitely works and then I'm good at. And the Levitt's so incredibly quick, but just a lot to ask. But he had an incredible year, two years ago. So it kind of reminds you all that stuff. So LSU looks really good. I couldn't help but think about how we felt about LSU just a year ago where they went into Clemson, won a close game, worried about the offensive line that was bad in 24. It was actually worse in 25. But for a night, you were like, hey, LSU fixed their own line problems. They did not. We've already covered it. Nussmeyer. All right. He was clearly hurt. And then I'm getting rid of their coach. But because of that Clemson win, LSU was nine in the preseason polls and they jumped to number three. Because Clemson was a top 10 team. And really what we found out is Clemson was going to have one of the worst seasons they've ever had under Davo. And this Davo thing continues to go in the wrong direction. From 2015 to 2020, Clemson finished no worse than three in the final AP poll. No worse than three. The last five season for Clemson, they finished in the AP 1997, 22 16 unranked last year. Who knows? Maybe LSU is just an absolute powerhouse and they got their ass kicked and Clemson will still make some noise in a terrible ACC. And if you're a casino who gets the starting nod and you're like, I get benched half time, like, can we just play the SCS school like the other teams? Like if you walk around campus for a week, mean, like, yeah, you know, 3, 10, 4 touchdowns, no big deal. What's the plan? What's the plan this Thursday? Instead, you get benched for Reynolds, who's more athletic and you run around. And the whole idea was like, maybe he gives us a chance in the second half against the SLSU pass rush, which is just ridiculous on top of the edge guys. And I'm talking about daughtery coming over from Ole Miss lining them up with the healthy weeks, the corners. So that couldn't have been a lot of fun. But Davo, who I once joked, should be head of Homeland Security because of how much he hates a transfer portal. As recent as 2024, zero transfers, he has I think 10 or 11, depending on where you look at the count of all this. I think that's second least in the ACC behind only Stanford or ahead of Stanford. If you go through all the power for programs, Clemson's like fourth or fifth least amount of transfers. So it's clearly something Davo still doesn't like to do. He brings in Chad Morris, who we brought in in 2011. But the people that know this stuff a lot better than me are like, hey, Chad Morris is your OC. Like he hasn't been associated with a great offense in kind of a long time. So Davo can hate where college football is now. There's some things that I hate about college football right now. Even the stuff happening with LSU this week, I didn't really like it. And it was kind of an odd circumstance with a new ruling of five seasons and five years. That kind of thing, but so maybe this whole thing is pointless. Or maybe in two years, I don't even think that's a big of a deal because we've all become desensitized. All these changes that maybe we'd be fighting against or just felt like our position was, oh, you can't do that. And Davo's still doing it with all sorts of different stuff. And I don't want to get hysterical about Davo's future with Clemson because of what he's done there. But like you can sit around and be mad or you can sit around and adapt to the rules that make you mad because there's really no other point in being in a competitive world and not trying to take every advantage that you can within reason after we obviously had some NBA news last week. Oregon Boise State, a fun game. It wasn't fun for ducks fans. I can't imagine in the first half. I would tell you the ducks like a lot of mistakes throughout the game. O-line, another team that's a title contender that we just go, hey, look at all the transfers in the O-line. This will be fine. I don't think it was fine. Maybe it's the first week. I think there's probably a lot of teams that are going, man, we need to tighten some stuff up after that first week. But with Oregon being a national title contender, I think you would have liked to see it be a little bit cleaner. Boise is picked to win the pack 12, but I think it's because the rest of the pack 12 isn't very good. So they're kind of everybody's playoff picks. You can say, hey, they went up against a potential playoff team. If Boise were in a power for, I don't think that team is making the playoffs, so they're probably going to get the bit. So they're tough. I think they're quarterback. There's times where I think there's some limitations there, but they were in the fight the entire time. In Oregon's first half, you look at the first six possessions, turn over down four plays in a punt touch down the punt fumble by Stewart the receiver who's you know healthy Downs again on fourth down obviously punt and then they get the touchdown at the end of the half I couldn't believe Dante more had 378 they couldn't really run at that great So that was needed and the positive side for the ducks is you look at all these Weapons in the in the receiving game. It's it's stupid Maclellan more had the huge play and Stewart who's healthy now They combined for 20 catches for three hundred and 23 yards and then you had Jeremy Johnson the big tight end Who was kind of hidden behind the D-Class year who's an NFL player like he'll play in the NFL He had the touchdown. So a ton of weapons there. They're gonna have to clean up a lot of stuff Speaking of O-line transfers And this is something I'm just gonna keep pointing out Because I'm worried about the sport. I'm worried when I look at the transfer portal rankings and then who each conferences top transfers or in coming in The big 10 and the SEC like there's we already knew there was a gap between those two conferences in the ACC into big 12 But if the ACC and big 12 are picking collectively from The non-power four schools in the big 10 and the SEC are loading up on other power four transfers Like this is gonna get even worse So an M having to rebuild their O-line after three players get drafted the centers the only returning one coming back They're at least bringing in three transfers from SEC schools So even if they flamed out or maybe they gave more money and they were terrific like there's a standard There's a base there of like oh, okay. Yeah, we actually were recruiting this kid at a high school a couple years ago Let's try to get him in here I'm gonna Probably always worry about like the thing that'll stand out for me that the corner has been turned by Marcel Rita quarterback Will be the red zone touchdown percentage because last year for a title contending team It was an alarmingly low number So we'll see we're gonna find out anything this past weekend because of who they played But the weapons are receiving a gamer trip for them. They're loaded at running back after Owens They've got two freshman number three guidance class number 20 guidance class who both got some touches in this game So an M at least for a day against that terrible football team reminding us that there's a lot of options here for Rita quarterback They also held Missouri State to 67 total yards on defense. It was that bad of a game Indiana was a game. I wanted to watch a lot of because I just wanted to see Hoover He was only 13 to 16, but it was 231 and I thought it was great His misses are usually pass breakups. That's how accurate he is how good he is at leading receivers So and he'll take chances like he will consistently go. Hey, I've got one-on-one I expect my wide receiver to win the battle and that's one of the things. I know he turns it over a little bit more than everybody likes Maybe they they clean that up a little But I'll take a few interceptions if I know what this receiving core that he has with marsh and becker Like let those guys go win because they're going to win way more often than the corners ever going to win there You could nitpick a little bit about the D line give it up a bunch of rushing yards You could nitpick the old line give it up some not running it the way you'd expect with Indiana You know, whatever I don't really care They only give up three points in the last five positions against north Texas So let's look at the big boys to put in a perspective what we saw from opening weekend because unfortunately This is going to keep happening if I were an AD. I'm not scheduling anybody. I mean you can make fun of me if you want I think some teams that sit there and get all chesty about other team schedules and they don't play fucking anybody like I don't love that But I mean, this is this is what it's going to be because now everybody playing the nine conference games I just think we're going to lose a lot of these opening weekend things and we need even have like a great opening weekend Slate and the Ole Miss Louisville game was terrific You know at least Clemson LSU on paper a couple years ago. You felt like that was going to be a great game Notre Dame's got to play somebody because the rest of the ACC's terrible So you know Wisconsin counts like I'm into the point now. It's like oh you played cow like all right cool. At least you played somebody Ohio State plays ball state. They went four and eight last year They're picked 12 or 13th in their conference. They're one of the worst teams in college football Don't worry like no one should take this personally. It's just is what it is So I'm not even criticizing anybody. I just want to put a perspective who these top 10 teams played this opening weekend Oregon we were to cover that Georgia played Tennessee State. They're an SCS school that went two and 10 last year Notre Dame Wisconsin They may be the 16th best team in the big 10 although I do kind of like the QB and the defense was physical hung around there for a half Texas played Texas State who was in no way you're getting that right They're in the pack 12 because of course they are Do I know every team in the pack 12 right now? I know there's eight teams. I couldn't tell you all eight Sorry, I know I do this for a living but talk to me in October November So Texas State is not a top 80 team picked fifth in the pack 12 Indiana north Texas. They went 12 and two last year not exactly the same team It's 70 new players that's a lot. That's a high number 19 of them went to Oklahoma state I think I had said in a preview Oklahoma state basically imported north Texas. I don't look a lot but I saw a comment on Twitter or it was like actually it was only 19 players. It was like oh My bad They're picked 11th or 12th in the American conference. They're not a top 100 team Uh Miami and Stanford I'm gonna talk about Stanford for just a little bit a little bit later on. It just bums me out to see him suck this bad They're picked last in the ACC. Maybe you've seen Boston college picked last in the ACC Stanford being a top 80 team this year would probably be a good thing Texas A&M Missouri State they went seven and six last year. They're picked eighth in conference USA probably not a top 80 team Um, oh excuse me conference USA. It's so bad. They don't have a single top 80 team according to Bill Connelly from ESPN We're gonna have on we hope He has Missouri State as the 126th best team in college football. Ole Miss Louisville terrific game I thought Keen Holtz was a disaster in the first half I mean McDonough even said like he probably wishes to the backup wish you probably no one ever wishes except for Danny Canal when he was in the NFL But you know they opened it up. They scored a ton of points that game was wild in the second half I think Ole Miss's defense was incredibly stupid on like individual decisions I think there's like three specific plays I could point to like what the hell are you doing that maybe led to 21 points Oklahoma played you tap they went two and ten last year they they're picked to go last in the mountain west Maybe not even a top 130 program and then I just keep doing this if I wanted to Texas Tech played Avaline Christian so Not a daunting slate and look everyone is kind of guilty of it I mean you know sure there's a couple teams in there. That's why I'm like hey noted in played Wisconsin Like or in played Boise Terrific. I'm not Calling out I mean Ohio State has played Texas next week. All right, so Some of the teams are still doing it. I just Don't think You're gonna see it I gotta admit a little bit of FOMO getting some text from down in Baton Rouge raising Keynes founder Todd Graves in the suite I think Brandon Landry was in there. I think Mac Landry was in there. It looked like the Nators were in full force Theo Vaughn. I think that was his first ever LSU game. So that had be exciting for him Keynes is also sponsoring PGA tour golfer Sam Burns LSU alum Louisiana native and good friend of raising Keynes owner and founder Todd Graves You may have seen the Keynes logo on his collar during tournaments this season ahead of the BMW championship Sam and raising Keynes hosted kids from first-tea and boys and girls clubs of St. Louis from meet and gree and golf lessons by Sam himself At a driving range in St. Louis and of course Keynes chicken fingers and Keynes sauce. I'm a Kaniac guy. I tell you all the time I'm like I'm gonna need one extra finger. I've done two That's a little aggressive. So a side finger to go with all that sauce It just makes sense raising Keynes chicken fingers one love It's Monday Nate Tyson joins us Yahoo sports football three oh one and Before we get into some NFL stuff. 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There's a, I wanna get deep, I guess, into Jacksonville Jaguar's offensive line. I think maybe that's maybe, you know, caught my attention. Nobody eagles. - That's concerning, yeah. - Yeah, the eagles defense, I think, is gonna be excellent. Little questions at safety. You know, that's one thing I have little questions on. Do I think they're contender? I don't. I really, the offensive crossroads that they're at where they're like, hey, Joe and Herds, we're gonna make you work under center. We're gonna make you throw over the middle. I think there's gonna have growing pains. I think they're gonna have growing pains too. They're losing Jeff Stouten, one of the best offensive line coaches ever who walked out, you know, as opposed to, that's, smells. That's the, that's kind of-- - Oh, no, smell, I think you're totally right 'cause when I had to be reminded of it in the sea of information, it's kind of like one of those things you're doing your preview things again, and you're like, oh, and it was, wasn't he asked to do something else? - Yeah, do. - And he was expanding your role or limiting your role, one of the ones something. - Yeah, they're making them do something that, yeah, he was not at it. - He didn't want to do. - Yeah, he was, that's kind of been my joke is that he's been the second most important person in that building for the last decade. It's been Howie Roseman and then Jeff Stoutlin. Like, 'cause it's like his idea in the offensive line. Like, it's all him. Like, that's been the consistency. It's always been gigantic athletic guys that he coaches up. And I just think, even if the replacement coach is okay, it still drop off, you know? And it's an offensive system that they're really, even if there's a little change of language, like, you gotta talk to a right tackle Lane Johnson. There's been doing one thing, his entire NFL career. You know, he's only had one offensive line coach. He's at different coordinators, different head coaches, but one-o-line coach. So there's just, those kind of, I'm squinting at that. When the strengths are just starting to show some cracks, that's going to kind of like, you know, temper me off of them a little bit. And on top of it, hurts in this past game. I think there's ways for it to work. Everyone wants them to throw digs and seams. That's not really his strength. But he can throw stuff like overrounds and then get Devonte Smith moving around. But I just look at the rest of the offensive roster. They have no blocking tight ends, like real ones. You know, they have months and stuff. But they, like, EOS hours is a project. You know, the guy they draft in the second round. Dallas Goddard's not that type of blocker. So, all right, if we want to do play action, we want to get under center, we want to launch the ball. Tight ends have to block. And they don't really have that. So, I just have a lot of questions on this offense. It might work, but I'm a little pessimistic on it. So, I'm kind of overall pessimistic on the team. - It's 10 and a half wins. It's considered the 10th easiest schedule. But that's just based on opponents. Winning percentages can be a little like, there's all sorts of different. You want to get into the strength of schedule we use. - Oh, God. - Go for it. 'Cause there's some massive variation. Again, more complicated models than combined. Opposing winning percentage from 25, but I still think it's over. So, I'm going to give that one out as an over. Look, you've got the division. You don't want to just say because the way the NFL works, like between Dallas and the Giants, or excuse me, between the Giants and the commanders that that's automatically four wins. But it might be, it's split with Dallas five. You've got the Titan Steelers, grad Arizona. You'll have the Niners in week 17 when they're all going to be hurt. So, I still think 10 and 1/2 is very manageable for them. - Yeah, I do too. I'm right on the 19-10 win cost. I'm leaning more Cowboys. I mean, I can't even get my first over. It's Cowboys over nine and 1/2 wins. But as I talked about last week, I'm more bullish on the Cowboys and they're, the defense getting improving than the Eagles and their offense, kind of getting to what they wanted to be. Kind of this new jail and hurts offense. Or just really, I'm just curious how it looks. 'Cause I don't have a lot of examples to look at other than practice clips and practice takeaways haven't been exactly positive. And even guys like Malachi-Lemon who they're, okay, we trade away AJ Brown. Don't worry, we're going to draft another first round receiver right here, totally different skill sets. And on top of it, Lemon hasn't been practicing at all. And hasn't been doing much. So, he has now, but he hasn't mostly during camp. But yeah, it's just one of those where it's a stay away for me and I lean more Cowboys. And I guess I can even just say that that's my first kind of over nine and 1/2 wins for the Cowboys. You've been on this Cowboys thing now for months, I know. I know you gave us the preview thing, even stronger as we build to the start of the season. 'Cause it seems like you're so pocket-mitted to it, you're not pocket-mitted. - I'm polite to start. - Yeah. But now I'm starting to poke holes. 'Cause now I'm starting to go like, "All right, how could this fall apart?" 'Cause other team I've been high on was like the Chargers, but I'm like, now I'm starting to poke holes on my own Chargers stuff, too. So yeah, the Cowboys, what if the new defense coordinator is not good? You know, like what if he's, I might think he's great 'cause he's new and different, Christian Parker, what if the new defensive changes aren't great? You know, what if it's like better on paper than it isn't practice, but if the offensive line falls apart? You know, so, but I'm still, I'm still staying on the over, but yeah, I've been starting to try and poke holes because I'm pretty take-emitted on this. I was looking at some of the win rate stuff, too, with the D-line in their front. Like the numbers are really good. And yet the defense was statistically the worst. How does that happen? - None of their D-Bs are like on NFL Roasters right now from last year. And on top of it, it's just like sports theory. Like if you have a talent deficiency, you wanna be a little bit more chaotic, you know, because you're just trying to, you know, create chances for yourself. And Maddie refluse is the opposite of a chaotic, chaotic defensive coordinator. So he's calling the most basic zone coverages with terrible talent. That's, it's the worst combination you can do. You wanna, you wanna be like the Cardinals, you know, where it's like, hey, we don't have a lot of talent, but we're gonna blitz every down. We're gonna just do some stuff, you know? Vance Joseph, his first year of the Broncos. Well, yeah, we might give up 70, but at least we're gonna have a chance in other games. Like that's kinda how the way you wanna go about it. And so that's what-- - They dig up 70. They dig up, they literally give up 70. No, but I do think that that's, it's not only just the guys that they brought in new, you know, Kale Downs is gonna get a lot of the headlines. Like if they're defensive improves, everyone goes Kale Downs, okay. But they get other guys like overshones coming back from injury, Donovan Ezraku's in the second year. Like they have more talent kind of already there on the cuss. And I think that's why I just kind of keep talking myself into it, even if like Barram, the rookie, who's great as a rusher and he's great inside line bracket. Now they have depth at positions that they're playing Jack Sanborn last year. Like, and I like Jack Sanborn, he's a badger, but he's on the street for a reason right now. And he was starting for this team last year. So it's just those little kind of, I wanna say micro improvements, but just little tear bumps everywhere. That's why I just keep kind of talking myself into them over and over and over. I just wanna clarify it for the record that Vance was not there in 23. When Miami scored 70 points. - How he was? - I thought he was. - He was? - Oh no. - Yeah. - Oh, he's not his head coach. He was DC. - Yeah. - But then everybody wanted Sean Payne to fire him. He's like, "No, that's my guy." And now he's doing good, so I think does the right call. - Yeah, it was his first year back, 'cause that's one of the strange, it's not the same as Brent Prye with Virginia Tech where you lose the head coach and gig. And you stay on as defensive coordinator, which I don't know if that's happened very often, but Vance came back. - Fickle did it. When the whole-- - It was a real prior thing. - It was the whole trial prior thing and the whole-- - Yeah. - Yeah, the tattoo gate. - He was like a stop gap. - Yeah, just do this. - That's the one I remember. - Yeah. Yeah, I went with the head coach thing. You're right, first year back as a coordinator. So I guess I, yeah, I guess we do have to put that one on him. All right, speaking of Arizona, that's good. I have them as an over three and a half. - I love that. - Well, I just, yeah, the NFL part of it, look, it's a tough schedule, okay? - Yes. - But I'm doing a bad job. I'm selling this right now, 'cause I could sit there on any NFL team, although I think there's like some Raiders years, really, where's the talent? The Patriots, I think Post-Bella check out one point you were like, is this actually the least exciting roster in the entire NFL? - Arizona is not that. There's a handful of guys that I really like. And if you wanna go, hey, the defense was bad last year, but it was incredibly young. You have two rookie corners. They'll be better. There's some defensive line names at least that we think with a little bit of seasoning, that'll be better. And the baseline of what you get a quarterback, even if we both know that Beckett some point is going to start, because they're not gonna be good, and they're gonna wanna see what they have. But the way this sport works, like any number that's that low, and I don't think it's like a catastrophically horrible time historically bad roster. I'll take the over on that. So it's a three and a half. - I'm with you on that one. I, they had the most, the second most adjusted games lost ever last year to injuries. As far as like actual starters and playing time lost to injuries. And I just, it was at every position too. But especially on the defense, they also have Walter Nolan, who's in his second year. If he's healthy, like he's an all pro caliber guy, like really is, he's already flashing it, which that's always been a stick. Like if he's healthy, if he's playing like, but if he is, he's really, really dang good. They also did, I do think Mike LaFore is decent. Yeah, I know he's just first on head coach and everything. They're kind of a meme team, where everybody's just kind of using a lot of the stigma against them, and then that's why they're like, oh, that's why they stink. That's the car nose. They stink like this. Oh, LaFore can't do this. Oh, they drafted a run back. Number three, and he got hurt right away because they don't know how to do that. I actually do think they have a lot more kind of glue and in between to hold them together than I think people are realizing. And I think guys like Michael Wilson, who just got extended, even Marvin Harrison, those guys are better schematic fits for this offense, because Michael Wilson is going to get used a lot as a blocker, as a motion guy. A lot of, I hate to, I hate to use it but the Pukanakua role, but how Cooper Cup was used, Robert Woods was using that offense. Michael Wilson's perfect for it. And I think the run game will actually be pretty decent, like whether it's love or algear. So I'm, I'm with you. And I think the defense is interesting. Nick Rawls is pretty cool. What he does. I love it. I love the over three and a half whether it's love whether it's McBride who might be just the next best tight end in the NFL I think there's some grades I tell you from 25 that's exactly what he was the left tackle They spent a high pick on yeah, and then you run through the D-line guys including Nolan who you know Is the headliner with this whole group? And you know like presets always that guy like he's kind of like the 17th best point guard in the NBA. Yep, where you go. Hey, he's pretty good. It just the position stacks all the two guards became point guards So like you're constantly wondering like how can we upgrade this when in reality and maybe I'm rounding up a bit They're on preset, but there's just too many people that have been around him We're like, you know, he's actually pretty good. There's more NFL people that have been like, hey, he's he's not like awful But you're always thinking how do we replace this so we get to that next level all right He's yeah, I mean the same tears like Lake career Kirk cousins and people will rather you know Put the stigma or like they could kind of reputation them all sure like I should say Lake career I should say late Minnesota Kirk cousins where it's like, yeah, we can get better But we also get worse than this because he's at least competent to run an offense So we both like Arizona. All right, you're next one. I'll go bucks over eight and a half wins plus one fifteen They bucks. I've talked my more myself more into as the summer went along Really dig their own line. I did an article on all lines and I have them at number one I think at the very least around you have them ahead of Denver's I do Denver's gets helped out a lot by the scheme They have a lot of talent like there's a lot of good, but I think like the high-end I would take Tristan were sort of bulls I got to take the center like Graham Barton Barton over those Westenberger, I'm sure I'm blanking on the Bronco Center right now But I would rather I just think they have a better high-end talent and I just think the scheme helps them out just a little bit But I do like them. I think they're number two. I think I'm two But yeah, no, I think the bucks are a line man and Bucky Irving looks healthy like he and he's always gonna have some Knicks because he's not huge. He's about one ninety two Anytime I run him back to under 200 and you're gonna I think you should think that they're gonna hurt as opposed to stay healthy and But at least in the preseason they're running them in the preseason if they kept them in bubble wrap the whole preseason I'd be a little worried, but they're like having them out there first drive taking care of them Okay, so they feel real good and why I bring that up is that the run game fell off a cliff last year because the o-line got hurt That's the strength of this team is the o-line Baker gets a lot of headlines. I get it But it's it's the o-line and it's the getting that run game back on track May that also makes Baker not as chaotic and not feel the need to scramble at a the Marge Hackson rate like he did last year So getting him just feeling a bit more normal and just the receivers getting a little bit healthy I know a booker already as a toe But I also just the defense like Todd bulls is Todd bulls like it's chaotic He can be predictable in some ways even though with the chaoticness But they have boosted the linebackers a lot which I like they got a trodder at linebacker I think I mentioned this before but I just like the DB room Antoine Winfield junior like I just I think the defense is going to be a lot better Than it's been over the last few years where they've been blitzing and just having no effectiveness They have nobody that can rush the passer and now they got Ruben Bane and y'all y'all Diabi and they got some they got some juice up front So I've really gone from like, ah, they're the best of the NFC South to like more like I think they can win 10 games I'm probably lose early in the playoffs, but I haven't been feeling more bullish about this team overall I like Diabi, but I think there might have been just one game I was on a flight where it was the only game I had on and he just like absolutely lit it up I might have been a Niners game and I just was like this guy's ridiculous, but 15% pressure at last year anything above 10% So the rare guys are like 18, but 15 that's that's really good. So yeah, I biggest question is Baker which I actually think is a good thing Like if you're talking about just the team not about contract extensions or anything like that, but I want to see how he plays without Mike Evans And I think he'll be okay because I think the rest of the surroundings are gonna be a little bit better than the world last year Speaking of contract extensions, I'm going Houston over 10 and a half It's just because of the defense and I just I'm yet I as bad as it looked. There's no way CJ Stratt is this bad You could Make an argument that own four is possible Start with Buffalo Cincinnati Colts Dallas three of the games are at home. They're not going to start own four But based on the seventh easiest schedule What's that that's not easy? That's that's the real ones are start. Yeah If you just be funny of like they get off to a one in three Which is totally doable on this thing gets a lot easier They they cross with the NFC east not that that's a layup because it's it's too potentially really good teams in there But it's not like some of the other conferences at times or divisions at times where you're like There's not an easy out in the entire group They could get off to kind of a bad start and it could be completely misguided kind of national perception about them Because I there's just no way that defense is going to be bad They're going to be unbelievable and I just don't think Stratt as it's bad as he was last year. So that's my overpower with you I'm I'm super high on them to all the reasons you stayed at defense. I think it's going to be in the thing too It was like linebacker depth is their biggest blemish at defense and they drafted some guys I like Yeah, Wade Wood as I really like um So I'm I'm with you. I'm high on the Texans. I have them as become my AFC favorite. I think I talked to you about that last time But I was Stroud I mean I had last time so Stroud last year was a the 12th best quarterback In terms of EPA for drawback and we're asking if he should worthy of extension That's the bad Stroud And I know it's just EPA and it's just not that it's one metric you can look at But it's like all these numbers point to a guy that the very least you can win with and those guys get paid And I think there's a little gap and I think in their numbers right now But I I can't believe people are thinking that like this guy's not a cable quarterback. I think he's better. I think he's good More in that tier two range that low end of the tier two range of what I consider that But man, I think he's worthy of paying and I think actually he's gonna surprise the people too The problem is it's two things the last game was bad is it could possibly be Yep, and everybody watched it And then people look at that and go this guy's turning down 50 million a year and so That's just the cut. It's it's all of the conversation out here. I hear it nationally constantly and it's hard to tell like if you were sitting They're doing a two-man radio show and the other guy goes are you serious like I'm supposed to hit this guy 60 million a year after what we just watched but the reminder for everyone should be quarterback contracts like if you're in that top 12 It has almost nothing to do with how good you are compared to the other guys It is strictly about the timing of when the deals are available and the agent is going to push for that 60 number Because other guys are at 60 and Strauss deal is newer and there was a time where you thought he was the next guy Look, there was a golf deal years ago that people were like you've got to be out of your mind and it had way more to do with him just being up He was just the next guy up these Dak deals have everything to do with Dallas not really doing a great job in timing this stuff They could have gotten in front of it. They wait they in a paying him even more There is a very clear pattern that I try to remind NFL fans about all the time is don't You can't look at the average annual salary of like a top 12 guy and get worked up about it because there's 10 guys Clearly better than him. It's just not the way the finances work on those guarantees It's like there's other little things the no trades the no No franchise tags like those matter more than a million and a half difference or 500,000 difference or five I remember when I was with the Raiders in Derek Carr and Stafford I think both the guy extended back to back and that's before staff how we treat Stafford now is different than how we treated them then Because then it was like why are they extending him again like they can't win with him and that's but now we of course we talk about Look at the cousins deals. I mean no quarterback has played it better because Washington actually To their credit they were kind of like we don't want to do this deal We don't want to do all the deals that Ryan's referencing like we know you're pretty good But we don't think you're that good and we don't want to pay you market and then it's like okay Guess what none of these guys ever become available so now he's dictating all the terms he's getting renewed and all of it's guaranteed the whole time So I think the cousins example is a perfect like reminder of you may think the CJ stuff is crazy on the contract demand It makes all the sense in the world that they're like yeah, that's what we think the number is right now in 26 So we'll wait till next year. It's this number or the the abyss of quarterback you know wilderness like that's that's basically the That's all they're just deciding is 60 million dollars worth it or going into the quarterback abyss The fact that they've already offered 50 tells you that if it's a decent year from them then it's gonna be 60 It's gonna um yeah And now there's a part of it too with Houston where I would Maybe look at them and give them a little bit of credit being like let's just make sure this isn't a disaster and then he's ruined Which yeah, they also have played a part in what this offensive line construction in the last couple seasons Yes, absolutely all right both over on Houston all right, what do you got all right next one I have I'll go I'll go commanders and I went alt under six and a half So real I've two all unders so um just really the two two negative ones um I just this a there's a lot of carry over from the Eagles conversation in their offense and the commanders Bring that new coordinator shamanian. No, not shamanian this time. Uh, this is David blouse Um and trying to get two legends Oregon state Purdue. Yeah, baby I shamanian. I actually like I've kind of like been aware of him. He's a random coach. I just person not even just coach person I've been aware of because he was a Oregon state guy Um, Mike Riley was his coach Paul Christmas my coach. I was watching their film like just random stuff and ties and they were anyways, but uh no blouse Who like you mentioned was just playing was just a backup a couple of years ago was just an assistant quarterback coaches now They'll see they're trying to go more Probe style, you know, Shanahannie, whatever you want to call it, which Jane Daniels has done like you did that Arizona State but still I'm a little bit a little bit worried about how living in that world like where that's the major of the offense I think that their offense line of course losing losing their mietuncle not fun I was actually getting a little bit higher on the offensive line But they just kind of can't get out their own way with injuries and also they have a new new offensive line coach Who just got promoted and he's only been a college guy and while I liked what he did in college at Florida especially I when I've scouted a sirens torrents I do think that that's a little worrisome the college to pro jump for a line coaches is huge huge huge and that's always worrisome for me Just cuz it's yeah, they might have the nice day one day two stuff But as season as a season goes along they've installed third down protections They kind of just don't have the roll of decks that may be some of the other guys do not the same and I'm not like the the whole like it No college at all because just that one was only a college guy and became an NFL guy But I do think this was a transition period and now we're going with the first time OC and David Blow You're looking at the rest of the staff. I know they boosted up the defense. I love sunny styles. I think he's gonna be a star And I do like some of the other pieces they added the DB rooms kind of beat up a little bit Not not very high in DB room. They weren't great on defense last year anyways, so the defense I don't think it only gets so high even if I do like the some of the guys they added and I just I have questions on the offense Like I think living in a Stefan Dicks Terry McCorn world is not not the most fun one and especially with a run game Where I think it's gonna be your shot way to run back, but I'm not sure so long rambly way to say like yeah pretty kind of pessimistic about this whole makeup right now What about the rumors that Kelly O'Brien Fresno State could be calling place? Oh, I don't know that not many have I was just taking it like other quarterbacks. There was there was a Fresno State contingency in LA recently With their their poor showing into you with the Yeah, that was I put you in a tough spot. No one's gonna get that reference By week eight you'll just learn to ignore them all Bob and we've I've got two more here. Okay, they're they're straightforward. I've been talking about The comp here of like the team could be better, but I think the records were so I'll start with New England Under 10 and a half I think they might even be better than they were and they made it to the Super Bowl last year But the talent disparity and whether that's the Campbell and both Drake may were hurt I don't know hurt a million times, but I think both healthy the talent disparity of what Seattle was and what New England was because we need Started like run through the roster as you were like if you took the top 20 guys combined from both rosters Is it 14 15 to 20 or Seattle's? You know, I think I asked somebody like maybe 13 and he said it's like oh, it's not that far It's it's probably about development with their own guys more so than it is like hey There's three players that we know are absolutely going to be better than they were last year So that's come work kind of where I'm out with it, but maybe may is that good to just get you 11 wins because that's right Like last year. Yeah, and I'm super high on May many ways They were hard for me when like we did our preview show and I think I guess 10 wins for them But but it was like a good 10 wins, you know, like it was like no It's like you say it's a better team the thing that worries me the most is defensive depth like if they have one injury It's like like in that afternoon last year, but that's kind of what worries me more than anything It's like they have a linebacker injury. They got someone someone gets hurt up front I they just don't have like a cool young guy that they okay. We'll just drop this guy in or a contingency plan and then Offensively, I actually I feel like they haven't had a cool young guy in the edge forever No, they haven't they had they got they got one year last year that was like a retread Yeah, but that was like that's a retraction. It's like when you're a baseball fan and you just go Hey, can we develop an awesome starting picture that throws 98 who's 22 years old and like you go the next seven years Are going to be awesome like that's it's actually probably more important than edge, but it's just it gets so boring Well, you don't have like can you just lie to me and tell me this guy had a ton of pressures at Ole Miss Get in sex please like yeah, there's some underlying stack of look at so I can like go like no No, no, no, he only has five sacks, but yeah, it's her is winner is past rush win rate pretty dang good I do like they have this undrafted guy like Elijah Ponder They I think they're starting on this year. It's the second year now, but I like him if you want to have one guy that came Maybe to keep an eye on I do like their offense. I think their offense can be sick if I'm be honest. What about the big guy from Illinois though He's inside right give y'all is yeah, he's more of a he's a friend of mine described him He plays like he's made of rocks and he meant that complimentary and derogatory But he's just he's heavy handed you know, just a big like mall or but sometimes what's the ball go by him But he's not like kind of a bendy guy. He's more like a pocket pusher kind of type more probably better against the run That checks out All right, we both have what you get two more. I got one more. Yeah, we got two more I have yeah, he said all right. Here's my other alt under falcons alt under six and a half wins plus one thirty They just early. Yeah, you moved it up one. That's not bad. Yeah, I know that's kind of I know they're in a weak division They're defense so they invested in two quarterbacks and one draft and the next year two headdressers from one draft and none of those guys are playing for them to start the year So I and pretty important to have some past rash I like and the kid from Georgia was one of my favorite players in college football in 25. Oh, I know he's 24 excuse me. Yeah, but he I know he and he was too on Walker. He was perfect for that defense to because over it There's a lot of funky stuff up front and their defense coordinator So like third downs. I know they can do stuff. I don't know how they can live on early downs I don't know how they can stuff the run. I don't know who can win and rush the passer DB wise. They're okay Like they have some cool young talent But still just kind of like not all the way there and then offensively offensive line's not bad. It's aging But who's playing quarterback? Who is winning by default? Two Swedish words in English language like he's winning and that's like why they're going in it I've seen two of this preseason and this is not the Miami Dolphins offense of the last couple of years This is a different type of offensive system the offense is gonna be built through Bajon anyways Bajon Robinson anyways, but still just a lot of stuff that I'm like I'm squinting at where it's like this could go sour Really quickly like I don't know if they'll be able to throw the ball and if they don't if they are trying to rush the Passor if they do have a lead or something like that. I don't know if they can rush the passer unless they have the blitz So it's just a kind of a team makeup. I can't buy into and it's not like they can go. Oh, we'll throw out penics and I'll be like yeah, yeah, yeah It's like It's all right, you know, and it's still I have some reservations about that as well like if you look at the roster right now The only quarterback that can take a cubic sneak is Jack strand Because two of doesn't take them because the concussions and everything and penics doesn't take them because he doesn't go under center and he has Bad knees. So it's it just that kind of is my what kind of like one line or about where we're at With the Falcons right now. So I'm pretty pessimistic on this year No cubie sneaks take the under on that. I it's Jack strand getting a start this year. I over under on I'm saying one start. I'm saying he gets into our one game Just look at the health of the other guys. It's it's a bad back Concussions bad news. I don't think there's any way he doesn't start a game this year. He has to start They're not gonna be good the tape from preseason. You love them. It was terrific. It's two. It's penics But I'm still holding out hope on like when the penics thing is right how beautiful that ball is I agree But it feels a little bit like even when you watch him in Washington you go So what's gonna happen here? Because like if he ends up being on the team USA flag football team like we're winning the gold. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, I don't I mean columns worth who's been known to be excited about some plays But like there's a reason columns worth is almost orgasmic when he's watching penics throws because it's that much fun When I even remember being like don't say he's gonna be good. Don't say and I kind of was like I think he's gonna be like Can he kind of figure this out, but God it is a lot of like I remember like the first time seeing some of the early spread stuff in the big 12 like 2007 2008 watching the person and I went. Oh, this is why nobody drafts these guys. Yeah Because you're just sitting back there like doing cubie drills Mm-hmm and it's like and if and if there's any Anything goes wrong just throw the ball away. There's probably there's no creation in the NFL You have to create a he plays like a 39 year old quarterback with like you know like he that's how he plays He doesn't scramble he doesn't move in the pocket like him and Rogers probably move similar now in the pocket And that's not a good thing because that's only gonna get worse So that's what was always my reservation and he for a guy that can chuck it and I agree with you because his His best throws are up there and his I mean he's got plus plus arm It's just that he doesn't really work over the middle either like which usually indicates you lack timing and maybe anticipation Because then it's more of a guy he's had such a strong arm his whole career I see it open now I can throw and the NFL is all right This guy's about to come open now I throw it and hopefully that that's where I hit the window with him It feels like it's like everything he has to see open and then and then you throws a freaking rocket. That's amazing But yeah, I'm I last year kind of got me the the Vikings game I actually was kind of had the same feelings you day where I was like hey, this maybe could work after I've been a kind of Low on him and then now I'm back to kind of like where I originally was where it's like he can't play like a 40-year-old at 25 You know it does remind you of like the guy who's just old and there's a pick-up football game because I'm on a metacubi Oh because I've blown out all my his and he's gonna snow 1998 - Right. - Yeah, that's what you would think. Fennox and Marino play a lot of light. Marino 98. - The other thing though that I loved about Fennox is when Indiana had that weird start a few years ago when he was there, again, we're going back multiple years now, they hadn't played anybody, but it was Indiana, and again, pre-signity, where it was like, hey, look at Indiana, like they're out there battling. And he was an athlete, and then he develops into this incredible passer, where I didn't, like I understood the art talent and all that stuff, but I was like, this is kind of a mess. And I don't think they're going to be any good, and the schedule's been kind of easy, but it was just exciting, and he was a big part of that, and then he's getting hurt all the time. And then he ends up being the guy in Du Boer's offense with grub, where you're like, okay, this is, maybe this can work even at the next level. If we're talking about my first impression to him as a quarterback, I'm like, well, this guy's never playing in the NFL, to then that run. - Yeah. - I'm, look, I'm selfishly holding out a little hope because I think when it looked right, but then you know, if you're game planning, you go, every single thing has to be perfect for this to work out, and that's already at a disadvantage. All right, my final one, it's straightforward. It's the Bears. It's under nine and a half. That's minus 125. If you move it up to 10 and a half, it's minus 210, so that's not really worth it. The defense is not good. The advanced stuff is better than the yardage stuff. So maybe, but we know it's the toughest schedule, and it's the same thing as New England. I think they could be a better team. If Caleb takes what I think will be the next step, the stats may not show it. I think it'll just be, how do you feel at the end of the year? I think we could feel good about this. I just, the turnover thing is historic. Plus 22 in the turnover margin. If you go back to previous five seasons, the best team in the NFL, the best number on turnover margin, was between plus 11 or plus 13 in Chicago, was it plus 22 last season? - Yep, first in the reception rate. They were, but then if you look at every under, like you said, underlying stats aren't horrible, horrible, but this kind of, is it? - The first in the reception rate, 21st and EPA per play. And EPA gets weighted more in situations, turnovers and everything that scores. So you can have like a really big offensive EPA number, but you can have some bad yardage numbers. So like the traditional offensive rankings can look bad, but really the EPA speaks to taking advantage of kind of the big play stuff that we were talking about with Kevin Clark, or capitalizing kind of on touchdown and field bill situations, correct? - Yes, and I really like more than anything, I like success rate, which is really, and people think that's a nerd stat, coaches came up with that, and at least the 90s. I learned success rate in like 1997, and I'm not even kidding, when I was eight years old, Brian Billick used it in Minnesota, so 'cause he taught my dad. And so, but people see success rate and they go, "Oh, nerd stat, I'm like, frickin' coaches invented this." And success rate is 50%, like more or less, there's different versions, but the one that generally people use now, which is more EPA-based, is 50% of the yards on first down, 50% of the yards on second down, and then all of the yards 100% convert on third and fourth down. So, right, first and 10, get five yards. Second and eight, get four yards. Like that is what a successful play is. And to me, I think that's more sticky, but there's more holes I can poke in this, 'cause then you wanna expose the plays to add on to that. But success rate's getting on base, it's on base percentage. And that means I'm moving the ball successfully, I'm moving the ball efficiently, I'm staying ahead of the chains, really staying ahead of the chains, and I'm doing it over and over and over again. And then last year, the Bears were 30th and success rate. And they were bad against the pass and the rush. So, that meant if you're high in EPA, 21st, high-ish, and 30th and success rate, that means you're taking advantage of big plays, turnovers, but if you're good in both, that means you're doing everything well. This kind of continuing, like when we talked about the bangles a couple of weeks ago, was that Joe Burl always super high success rate, always middling explosive play rate. And so, as EPA can kind of stay a little lower, sometimes 'cause of that. So, there's a bounce, like you wanna get home runs and get on base, and that's what explosive plays and kind of success rate are combined. - Great explanation. I love the success rate stuff. I love that Brian Billick was, you two just in a room, and they were like, "Look, we leave 'em alone." He's eight, your last one. Last one, I have the Vikings over eight and a half. I also like them to win the division at plus 450. Just because if there's a muck in the north or a muck in the division, I think all teams are valid and I do think the Vikings are valid. I mean, on the one that's the highest odds. But I think the coward thing is gonna work. I do. I maybe have talked myself into it, but I wrote an article to spring on it and I think that really helped me do it. Just, I don't think people realize how bad the quarterback played was there last year. Like how bad, offence of line and tatters, defense still a very good unit, disruptive on the brine floor as. But Kyler, since he's entered the league, is 17th in success rate. Same as Justin Herbert. He's better than Aaron Rodgers, Baker Mayfield, Jalen Hertz, Trevor Lawrence, Sam Darnold, Russell Wilson, CJ Stroud Bonix. And people are going acting like he's like the worst quarterback that's walked this earth. And I understand, do I want Kyler Murray leading my team face of the franchise, hardest worker, all that stuff? No, but to win games in a one year rental mercenary role? Hell yeah, let's do it, strap up. Let's go. And maybe this is, again, bringing back to my late 90s Minnesota Vikings days. And maybe I just lived in this world. Hey, Warren Moon for Ad Johnson, Jeff George. All right, now we'll go with Dante Colt Pepper. And we'll roll with him. But I think they can, I think this could be a very good offense. Like sneaky top 10 offense. The run game last year was the best it's been under KOC. There's sixth and early down rushing success rate, which is easily the best that he's had. So good run game. I love the juwan Jennings signing. Really good blocker. Like I know that's, again, this is niche stuff. But if you want to be like a playoff team, this is stuff that adds up. And I think Kyler and KOC got a little chip on their shoulders where I think they're going to launch some stuff. So I'm pretty, yeah, Vikings or another team, I've kind of had some offseason commitment too. I just think Kyler's going to get hurt. Sorry. Fair, fair, fair, fair. That's very fair. It's only played once two full seasons, three, two or three. Yeah, look, at least there's something in there, the old man, Jeannie thing of like we saw a season not that long ago where it looked like he was carrying Arizona. So if you get back to that, it stays healthy. I just think he gets hurt in ways where you're like, did anyone get hit on that play? Like, yeah, I don't know, he's down. All right, that'll do it for that. With NFL Sunday ticket and YouTube TV, it doesn't matter who's coming over and it doesn't matter what team they love and need to see. Every play, every game changing moment of NFL Sunday, football action is right here. You won't miss anything and you'll be the best host ever. It's you and your friends watching four games at once. It's every Sunday game regardless of where it's being played. It's pure NFL bliss as it happens right in your living room. 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And I think that's when they started collecting the records. That's probably not a good thing. They ran it for 227. The positive is like, EJ Crowell that running back is ridiculous, his balance is ridiculous. So they put up 48 on ECU. By the way, ECU fans traveling. It was loud in there for the pirates. In touch for this. It was watching that game. I'm going, what the hell, did they outfit some place to look like Tuscaloosa in neutral sight here. It's been known about a bunch of tickets. And it was wild how loud it was for ECU. So Keelon gets the start, you know, all everything five star. I think he was only behind Underwood in his recruiting class. And I think because it's his first game, you don't wanna put a ton into it. And then maybe he's playing because they still know that this offensive line, he just might be more talented in mock, which is totally understandable too. But whatever you wanna say about that first game, he's gotta get rid of football. He is a very classic, like I am so gifted. I'm gonna dance back here all the time. And you can do it against ECU. You can, if he is playing like that against the big boys, I actually think it's gonna be ugly. And I know. know every Bama fan can say, Hey, it's the first game shut up back off and you'd be totally right to say that. But I'm I watched that entire game when probably I turned it off like late third quarter. I watched enough of the game to see those dropbacks. I was like, Oh, this is somebody that's like, I'm so gifted. I can dance back here. All play and not pay attention to the routes. And I'm probably just going to run and he's such a great runner that's all going to work out. But like at the end of the year, cannot look like that for them to be a real team. No, I watched back. And that was my first note. I go, they look sloppy in the passing game and the quarterbacks eyes were everywhere. That was my like kind of just a neutral assessment of it all. And on top of it, when they did succeed Ryan Coleman Williams is dropping the football. They did a drop wide open on the right side. He had a drop in the end zone that could have been intercepted. So we lost the touchdown. It was offside. So the play wasn't going to count anyway. And then on the end around, he drops the handoff. So yeah, I know we had the one miraculous play where our mind of you, Ryan Williams, shifting us once he gets out of the open field of two years ago, where you're just like, what is this guy? Right. But an awful debut for him on just stupid and they make mistakes. They keep making stupid mistakes where they looked like they're just not. And I know it's post saven. So it's totally unfair for anybody. But there is just a lack of cleanliness to their game, where I know people go and do they score 48 points. They won 48. We're looking at Bama is, hey, is this the playoff team? And that's why I'm going to be harder on them than say Louisville. Yeah. It's totally fair to. All right. So talk about success rate. And college, you should have much juicier success rates and EPA, especially if you're going against East Carolina. His passing success rate was 47%. It can't be sub 50 against East Carolina. Like you're going, it should be 50% minimum. Some of the quarterbacks we've been laughing at laugh, we, I should say the general football Twitter, you know, social media stuff. Those guys were throwing 54% success rates, you know, 56%. And I even looked to sub two was they had, yeah, their EPA without explosives was negative six and a half. So when they passed the ball, so they were negative points when they threw the ball. That's how bad they were throwing the ball. And you mentioned him, hold on to the ball. The very first third down, the first third down, I think he, he makes a guy missing the backfield and then he runs for like 15 20 yards. Yeah, he has to get rid of that ball because that is, that's a, it's a hot read. And they were by design, making that guy hot. So he has to throw it. And he just, he was not throwing that. He was like, I just got to make this guy miss and it's like, no, no, throw it, throw it. They're, that guy's going to kill you. So yeah, that was my exact observation. I do think the defense does have some talent. Yon's a peer, the edges are awesome. He was awesome. Yeah. He's, he's, he's the guy. Yeah. But offensively, they look sloppy. I thought the, I thought the quarterback's eyes, I thought his eyes were everywhere, which is not what he wanted to see. And not, not, people think sometimes it's coast to coast. Usually that's not a good thing. If a quarterback goes left and then all the way goes right and then maybe goes left back, that's not a good thing because you want to stay on one side of the field unless you have to or where there's a progression working back. And every third down drop back, his eyes were going back and forth on concepts that I know are simpler concepts. So yeah, I think throwing the ball is going to be a struggle for them all season. Wow. Yeah. Because it was the first impression. It was like, wow, have you, this guy looks like he's just wanting to play at times. The reason I wanted to talk about this is because I watched the highlight shows and they would show his, he's spectacular. There's a reason why he was this high. He's insane. How gifted he is. And so when you see the package of all of that, you're like, well, here we go. And I'm telling you, if you watch that game, you're like, I know they scored 48, but again, all right. I'll try to be a little more rapid here. Do you have one for me? Is it a first impression? First impressions. Yeah. Well, we're going to some 2027 QB first impressions. We'll start with the guy at the top, not just alphabetical, but archmaning. I thought he was good. I thought that's exactly what you want to see. I thought the interception was explainable actually. I thought the design on it. Backside, I don't know if you saw it, but backside safety ran over. There's supposed to be a route that captures him. And nobody captures him. It was a stick knot concept. So it was one of those where the design and the quarterback are both at fault there. But I thought he was throwing because he's not expecting that safety, right? Never in a million years is that guy supposed to be there because he's supposed to be captured by a route. So you're supposed to, and then you see the touchdown he has in the second half, they run a similar concept. That same safety, they call it a poach safety. He starts working. And then arch looks them off and then throws the, they throw an inbreaker to came Coleman. I think it was. But that, that's what's supposed to happen because you're supposed to capture him. And if he cheats over it, then you punish him, but they had no route to punish him. They just ran a fade. And I think maybe it's because of two minutes or something like that. But anyways, but what I'm saying is that the interception was explainable more than like a, that was a dumb play. How can this guy be the number one pick kind of play? I thought if we just go down, I mean, I could just go with this. I thought sellers look good. Dante Moore. Hey, by the way, real quick on sellers, like they're missing sellers, a slot receiver, I believe that they expected to start. He's going to be out for the entire year. I'm not worried about South Carolina's weapons at all. I've watched. I know it was not a great opponent, but there's South Carolina always feels like they've got a handful of guys that can throw the football too. And even with sellers, not Lenores, the other one out because it was a concern. It was something you were reading about. Like, hey, that's a, that's a big loss there. Weapons wise with you on South Carolina. And still didn't play in the game, by the way. Yeah. No, I was, that was the other guy I was trying to watch this morning. But yeah, he, I was like, everything you could hope. I thought even the sack, he took it was like, it was good. It was a good sack. He stepped up and it was like, it wasn't like him bailing in the back of the pocket, which is something I did think he improved upon last year. That kind of got, I know he took a ton of sacks, but that was more of that line. Dante Moore was a little underwhelming. And again, it was kind of the things that you shot. It was 378. I couldn't believe that when I was done with the game. I'm like, he's over 378. Totally shot. It wasn't tight. Maybe it was because you spent like two hours of the game going like, what's wrong with him? Yeah. So I'm with you. Like the box score is incredible. I didn't feel that way when I was done. All, all my thoughts were like, kind of like private notes. When I was watching that game, I was like, man, just get rid of the ball. Man, like try it there. Like step up. Like me. So yeah, I'm right there with you. But that's why that's more concerning for me is that was my concerns going into the season was pressure. She kind of like she favors the outside. So I wanted to work over the middle when he's there's times where he does work over the middle when he's comfortable with the concept. And you could see it even this weekend. But still, I want to see that a little bit more. So the, you know, just some hesitancies there. Like I think heat pressure really gets to him. And that's always a red flag for me. So I just want to keep my eye on that. Drake Lindsey. I thought everything you go hope for. There we go. Either way. Yeah. He's a horseman. He's he's drew blood. So we're reincarnate. Like I mean, that's so that's how I feel about him. I'm really high on him. Uh, Messmaker was a little underwhelming. I haven't watched that one back. So, but he was underwhelming. I could say I'm a 28 guy anyways. And then I haven't done my best to make her take take. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I had a very contentious draft for quarterbacks to see how many we've drafted. So I took Drake. I took Messmaker. He laughed me out of the room on Messmaker. Laugh me out. But he hasn't seen the rice tape. I don't think so. Man, it's that he's a weird Messmaker. We like him more than he does. Yeah. I, here's a weird feel for the game. Like in a one of those things you can't teach. He's just knows that a layer of ball. But again, that's why I kind of kept him at 31 as opposed to like top 15 or something like that. My big board. Because I was like, I could see this maybe not get better. But I could see this also getting better with more reps. Yada Yada. So he's still a question mark for me. He's going to be a 28 guy. Oh, I feel like I should just like say that and just like keep him out of my big board for now. Just I personal now would make sure. So I have to keep investing in the whole thing. Um, I feel like the seller's game was another example though of like the people that love him. Like I, I cut something up that I'm going to send you where it's just a simple like him getting out of the pocket, but then staying with his body, like parallel to the throw. And you're like, Oh, this is why the people freak out about him. But then I also think there's some easy misses with him that I think his detractors would point to those in the same game where they're pulling up a ton of points being like, Hey, this is why this guy is in the first round. This is why because I've talked to people are like, you guys are nuts about sellers. Like he's not this. You love him. McShay loves him. Um, I think mench likes sellers even more than McShay does. Mench who does the podcast of McShay who I've known for like 20 years and in love. Uh, because there's a crispness even with more is underwhelming game. When it's right, there's a crispness, a crispness to more. I think, dude, some of those chamblers throws last night, that first one to do is that they did an incredible job of McRoy explaining like he's throwing to this window against this cover three. And he knows, but it's like blind. That ball is in front of the corner, the receivers behind him. I love chambles. I can't anticipation. Right? Like, would you agree? There's a crispness to a Trinidad to a more that maybe even with sellers that doesn't feel and maybe it's because they gave up, I think the third most sacks in college football last year. No, I agree. There's is if I were sour as again, we're talking about room for air or anticipating the throw and everything. Sowers has the top tier arm. So he knows that he has more window to get rid of the ball, but they NFL, you don't get that. So it still has more room for improvement where I see it. And this I think is where you kind of feel it, I guess, is it's a classic example of like watch their feet, listen to their feet. Like Sowers always has an extra hitch. If you ever notice, he goes one, two, three, four, five hitch hitch as opposed to just one hitch. Um, and that's always a that's scary because if the guy doesn't have the arm, those are picks all day in the NFL. So that's where you see like Jackson Darts got that going on right now, little extra hitches because he's got to see it a little bit. So that's where you see the crispness, watch chambles, one, two, three, ball freaking out. And that and he's got a good arm. So it looks even better because he has a good arm with anticipation. What is right with you dad, man? You're like, I love every red flag with him. I don't care if he's old. I don't care if he's small. I love him. I love him. I really do. I really like you and that champ was a lot. Oh, yeah. Then we, uh, Dairy Mensah had a nice game as well, but that was kind of a seven out seven. Uh, but he, he looked at everything you hope. Like, uh, if you, if you are high on him, um, I'm comparing him to kind of Kirk cousins a little bit. Chambers, my group comparisons, Jeff Garcia. Hey, if you, if you were dropped, if you told the team at sitting at 10, Hey, you're going to draft Kirk cousins. You'd be like, can we trade up, you know, like we'll take him at eight. Right. That's all right. So off of that, you can dundrum. After that, I think I have to connect with that, um, because of Mensah in that game. I feel like I heard it on a handful of games this year when a receiver made a really sick play. There can be a little conference bias. There can be a little home bias a little bit. There should never be a game that Jeremiah Smith isn't playing in where some announcer says that this other receiver is the best receiver in the country. And I heard it not just about Malachi Tony. I heard about a couple of others. Malachi Tony is the only receiver where I'll allow it to happen during a broadcast, um, because again, we know how special he is. I can't believe that he was a freshman last year because he plays the game like he's old too. Right. That one score we scored twice. Like, you know, like, like, you know, where he scores the guys hit each other and they loop around him and score again, but he did so calmly. Like, he's like, yeah, I do this every week. Hey, does he or mine you anyone? I mean, I'm going to some Peter work. I'm going to some Peter work sort of my all time. Jesse O'Connor telling Peter work stories is my favorite thing ever. Um, but then, you know, Peter, Peter just didn't have the NFL career. So no one's, everyone's going to want to be like, well, that doesn't, you can't use that guy when Peter was probably one of the best college football players I've ever seen in my entire life. That's sugar balls, like, made me a college football fan. I fucking love Peter work. Yeah, but that's who that's because I'm like, people are going to say Thai Reak for whatever, but they're different. It's just a different. It's too big for Thai Reak. Yeah. Well, Thai Reak is only like one, well, Thai Reak is really stout. He's like 510, 190. Um, I think Tony's Tony's frame is bigger. I think Tony doesn't weigh as much as I thought he did. I at least listed. I think he was like 188 when I list. I could be wrong. This could just be me job time. I had been wrong. But I don't know what I'm going to find right now when I look him up here. You're right. 511188 AKA baby Jesus. You know what Jesus. I'm okay with it. I'm okay with baby Jesus. Right. Adult Jesus would be potentially okay. This is a black ball over again. This is right. You know, Dan Thay Thomas. Um, Stanford on the other side, I hate Stanford sucking at football. I don't root for Stanford. Necessarily, obviously, I have some connections between Stanford Steve and other alums, esteemed alums that have shown up on some trips from like Jesus Christ. This crew, uh, shout out, Tony. But I them sucking and also not being tougher smart drives me crazy. And I hit up Steve. I go, what happened? And this is year eight. They've been in the ACC for three years, but they sucked before the ACC thing. This is going to be eight years of them sucking. And at least when they work great because obviously they had a bunch of years where they were great, you always knew Stanford was going to be tough out because they're going to be smart. They're going to be tough. And the tackles were going to be good. And there was going to be a bunch of tight ends and they were going to run like they were just going to do stuff that sucked to play against. And maybe they don't win 10 games, but it's now they are like a dormat. And I hit up Steve. I go, what is up with your tackles? He's like, well, they're both backups in their first and second start ever. So they're not even supposed to be the guys. And these guys have never played. So that might have been part of the issue, but they don't even look like a power four team. And I hate that. I hate that it's been this long because I just like when Stanford is is good because it's for whatever reason, like their whole concept and their identities of football team. It's so different when it was good. And I just enjoyed them being different than everybody else. Old school kind of pro formation stuff. Hey, we're always going to be smart up front. And I'm ranting and raving here about maybe the worst team in the ACC. So I'll stop. No, it's I get it. It's like like there's some of those, they're not the powerhouses, but maybe the ones that you can always hang your head on. Okay, Iowa. I know I'm getting with Iowa. You know, every time I watch them every year, I know I'm getting with Iowa, but they haven't had that dip. They've they've dipped to maybe no, Iowa just broke. But we've always been hovering around 10 wins, get into 10 wins to eat 910. Shout out. Wow. I mean, my my Wisconsin, but Wisconsin team, I feel like I'm always kindred spirits with Stanford because like when we had a nice run late arts, they were going, they were that was the Andrew Locke, all that too as well. So I always just feel like we play this somewhere styles. We watch each other's film a lot. I know that for a fact. So I always I agree with you when it feels like they're not the ones where it's like, Oh, okay, they might not win this game like they play a team USC, but hey, they're going to make it a one score game. And it's going to be ugly. And they might have a shot in the fourth quarter. But now it's like by halftime, it's game, you know, it's like it's not even making the second half's interesting. And so I think that's maybe where your frustration slides that the second half's are dead for Stanford. Now I even look at their win probability in that game. They had no shot. I don't think they even jumped above 75% in the entire game. They hate. They didn't show it down the show just so you know, just a little one. No, just we hate win probability. So oh, he deals. It's well referenced at times, but oh, but I hate when people just do like look at the graph like that. But if you know what the team came back shot, that's when you kind of know when the wind spreads baked in. It's like, Oh, that team never got a shot to win. And to be fair to the boys out there with the form, you know, this, this is a complete overhaul after a bunch of bad years. So they're trying to figure it out. I like their quarterback to be honest with you. Another man at beach guy. Do you see Andrew Lux fit? Do you like his fit? I did. I did. He was very positive at the halftime. He's like, I had a lot of football left to play here. So in fairness, again, they were trying to overhaul this thing on the fly. But I just, and I'm not even a Stanford fan. I'm just a college football fan of watching him get trucked. I'm like, this is just wrong. This shouldn't look like this. I have one quick one and then maybe a little longer one because I haven't even talked about that Michigan game yet. So let's finish with Michigan together. But I have just in a side, it's week one week zero week one. And I already cannot stand like 90% of the cornerbacks on Saturdays. You can't be doing the seat belt celebration after an incompletion when you're down 40 fucking points, man. Number three for Clemson Elliott Washington, you can sit there and say, Hey, this guy's staying in the fight. If you want to spin it positively, I just don't think you can be getting humiliated Matt Rouge on the Saturday and turning to the sideline after an incompletion. Now, he looks like he's pretty good. Like he looks like he's a pro. I don't know when he would be after anything like that. But all Saturday corners that have, I mean, the corners have the accountability of F1 drivers. Every single incompletion and most of them have nothing to do with their coverage. They're over there locking up the seat belt, thumbs down into the whole thing. And you're like, dude, it was he threw it out of bounds because of the past rush, right? Like stop. It's out of control. I'm a former quarterback. So you're not Swiss. My arm here. It's my least favorite thing since ever in corners over reacting to an overthrow or not usually an overthrow for me. But you know, I miss pass or pressure or something of that sort. So I'm right there with also the lack of originality with celebration sometimes. Like when you're first starting to see belt, okay, it's cool. It's like when Kim Ward got big, everyone's doing his, you know, everyone's doing that. And it's just like, come up with your own stick. Like that's cool to me. The seat belt thumbs down thing. It's like they all got together. They unionized and were like, we're only doing this. It happened overnight. It was, I mean, it happened a couple of years ago. But it was like, everyone's just started doing it. But that's the thing. But when everyone does it, that makes you, I don't know, that's just how I think of things. Well, if everyone's doing it, shouldn't you want to do something different and make yourself stand out? I don't know. I just think they all copy each other's celebrations. And then I mean, they're even have the new rule change for the first down stuff. Someone got popped last week. It was like, how in all this time, can't you think of a new first down signal than that? And if you knew it was going to be a penalty, you know, if you're doing the guns or anything like that. So yeah, I'm with you. Let's talk about Bryce Underwood. That was an interesting game. I think in the beginning, you've got Todd Blackledge talking to Jordan Palmer, who we like a lot on this pod who worked with Bryce Underwood. It said, Hey, last year was a disaster was his feet. And then at first drive and even McShade tweeted it out, he's like, here we go. Right? Footwork, all this stuff. And I don't know if it's just the footwork. But then I started looking for it. And then when everything started falling apart, I think they were over five in their first five, third down attempts. It wasn't even close. Then he had one do was left. It was like a third and three. And I watched his feet and his feet were terrible. And it was into the dirt. And it was there was no chance. And I'm like, okay, but is it just his feet? He had an interception that was out of bounds on a third down throw that was a disastrous idea for him to do. He had another pick that could have been a pick six because there's some dudes on Western Michigan that can fucking play defense, by the way, some really good players. I think for them being in the fight all night long. And then he had stepped out of bounds. And that was a terrible throw. There was a third and like five in the middle of field that he had a receiver. I think on his left side, it was like he was trying to pretend that he wasn't looking only at him, but he was only looking at him, which is the price under whatever you want to talk about with his feet. He doesn't look at any of the other receivers. So he was even it looked like he was trying to get off what his primary was, but he couldn't. And then everybody's watching him in the defensive backfield. And it's a car crash as soon as the ball is out because everybody's closing down because we know exactly who you're going to throw it to. And then of course they put the second back on, which I know is unfortunate, but I into the 911 call that they released and it sounds like these guys get it right even if everybody's still pissed about the whole thing and he hits on the Hail Mary and then he's running around and I'm like this makes it so much weirder because he just had an awful game after an offense that looked terrible last year and then I give Michigan credit it seems like they're handling this with more of an open mind as opposed to hey we won the game on a Hail Mary from our guy with all this talent so everybody back off it doesn't seem to be the message coming out of Ann Arbor. Yeah Kyle Winningham's quote on Underwood Job Security it's not something that's infinite at some point we've got to turn a corner and that's not that's bold man that's basically saying it's wide open to me I mean that's just saying we're looking at all answers. Everything you're bringing up is what I see and I know how highly talented he was I'm willing to wave away his freshman year because of just everything going on in Michigan but even when I watched the last year I was like okay he's a great athlete I see that he's big and all that but also I could tell he's thinking in the pocket and again freshman totally won't he's a guy that really needed a red shirt but that's never going to happen when you pay a guy seven times as much money as Kyle Murray who is making right now who's making 1.3 million this year but I really watch him it's that he's always late as a throw on throws because I think this is a guy again learning an offense or what I've seen with guys learning offenses are having struggles learning offenses is that they hear the play they get the play call and blah blah blah blah tree alright blue sword x dig and all they hear in their head is x dig all they so all they always like I don't know what the other concept all here is that one route that got attacked and I again this is just me just context clues but that's what I see when I watch him is that it's a guy that's not comfortable with the whole concept of a play which again for a guy starting so early it's like well hopefully he was learning something you know the spring he's probably in all the first team reps but to me it just looks like he's behind the apple on every dropback when they limit to a one or two man route like a play action or something you could see a little bit more where he can actually like okay I'm fine to throw us because it's so in narrows down his reads and I when I watch him all those drop acts every third down as an adventure because his eyes like you said he doesn't want to stare at the one route that he knows or the route that he knows should come open on that play just now there's a lack of feel and this is kind of the opposite of Mestemaker where Mestemaker has a weird feel for the position I know the last game wasn't like that but these other guys that I watch like even you know arch or something like that they move in the pocket they have a feel to get a guy open a feel to like look off a guy just when the layer of throw in underwood looks like he's just it's like a lift every throw is just a rocket you know every throw has got to be because he's thrown it late and he knows when he's thrown it late I got to throw it hard and yeah it's a trickle down effect from there but I I've watched him after a year and I've been nothing but underwhelmed when I've watched him I was shocked at winning him that quickly but that's why they brought him in and then you go what Tommy Carr behind him you know who's fourth on the depth chart for Michigan tell me I actually do but I don't expect you to know it no I do because I was looking at their depth chart yesterday you with Herb Street yes yes yes I did know that yes I did because he didn't go to a house that you went to Michigan that's right well to rather have to he was working out with Lane Kiffin that's right yeah they're all over I remember what to roll prior said that Herb Street was a fake buck I wait and he finds this out man we had two trail prior references and one one show yeah the trail prior undoing was was in your home base Vampelt and I on the sideline for Madison that's when I said SPP I warned us that's right I was we did a show and and then we watched the role prior in person from the sideline and after a few series Vampelt turned to me was like so he can't do it huh yeah it's not very good JJ Watts breakout game that was uh that was his big break he had like three sacks that game or something like that just absolutely abused him uh no that was that's my favorite game ever there was an odd it's one of my favorite games I remember this too oh opening kickoff taking it to the house was like yeah right it couldn't be any better yeah I know that was thank you for letting me reminisce that's that was my fear and then we played Iowa a couple weeks or a week later and that was a barn burner too that was an awesome game too so that was that was a highway probably my college life they brushed the field and there was a kid I don't know which program he was affiliated with but he was kind of just putting his arms out to the side and he wasn't commanding a ton of authority and I remember Vampelt walked up to him and was like you're doing the best job you could you could possibly do and the kid just kind of kind of looked up through his coke bottle glasses and was just like nodding thanks that anyway that'll do it for our show today uh thanks man thanks for doing this and look up for it next Monday when we have some NFL to talk about uh they tights every Monday there's something for everyone when it comes to Reese's we talk about football a lot right a lot of units two units with a peanut butter cup peanut butter and chocolate hell I think sometimes I could just eat the peanut butter but I'm glad the chocolates there is what is is really you know like let's not kid ourselves here uh there's a process there's tradition it's been around for decades these two components trust each other but the reason when I talk about it being some kind of tradition I get a bunch of products sent to my house in the script I'm supposed to say something about why Reese is my favorite you're thinking well he's just saying that because it's an ad but here's a true story I get my products sent for me to do an ad down at Manhattan Beach and my birthday box shows up for my father with a package of king size peanut butter cups he knew that if I was ever going to splurge and allow myself to have something like that that it was going to be Reese's peanut butter cups because that's what we used to do sometimes he'd make me split one with him I get a little bit older I was able to just hey you're on your own one for you one for me two cups of peace this math is way better but I was laughing because I had this bag of product to do the ads and then I was like man my dad knew when it comes to getting down to business with something that tastes this good and as a treat he knew the exact thing to pick from me Reese's the official candy partner of barsel sports go to Reese's wherever you shop you want details five I drive a Ferrari 355 cabriolet what's up I have a ridiculous house in the south fork I have every toy you can possibly imagine and best of all kids I am liquid so now you know what's possible let me tell you what's required life advice [email protected] Kyle and sorority here I guess we want to do a little story time so should we not I don't know how we're stamping these should we call it Kyle time and then I just read intro life advice I think it's just part of life last night yeah I don't I don't have a ton and I'm apologizing about the voice I almost wanted to take a bow silence today I was in a drive through last night coming back from the airport and the lady could not understand me my wife was laughing so hard shout to Taco Bell forget us through that you know always do not you think it's because you were hanging out with 20 Dominicans and you were just starting the final cow was 18 that's why that included two white guys the final cow was 18 so yeah and one jibain how many whites total to me being one yeah yeah I think we fit in really well though I you know we we you're a little Spanish in you we we we couldn't get to the Airbnb for a couple hours so we went to a restaurant and these guys like brought dice and their sea low going out at the tables I'm like all right so we're we're the we're chilling great I got I can do this no fights nothing like dramatic like that I did misjudge where the shallow end of the pool was but I kind of came down on the slope there that was tough yeah it's a scrape it's just a little scrape um started skateboarding again yeah um yeah I'm trying to think what else what else really happened I guess I bar still a Scottsdale we did I did popping a bar so that was probably my favorite place I I thought it was gonna be a little bit I asked big cat like what the deal is with it and he's like a big cat I did I did I didn't I didn't ask him to come hang out with me there I just asked him what the deal is and he was like it's like a famous thing like going there it was great it was awesome what were you hoping he was gonna do dude I made a call get over there right now that's what I was hoping um we bailed on golf we did top golf instead um a bunch of guys in the morning we're like yeah we'll do top golf it'll be easier we were actually on a golf course though and they were fucking golf balls flying into the like the pool area it was it was kind of scary but like these guys I just didn't want to have a bunch of like a couple of foursims of first-timers so I was like I would do top golf we said we said it for three o'clock perfect then they bring the fucking dominoes out and it's like that like wiped their brains they're like dude we're we're playing dominoes I'm like I just booked two bays at golf top golf what the fuck guys they're just like sorry so three of us went the lady felt so bad for me at top golf did she let me cancel the other two bays um but that was good it was a fun time and then I guess just going out I really felt inadequate in my fashion sense uh I kind of felt like Ryan was bag lunch like these dudes were trading shirts and collones and nobody wanted to trade with me that was a little bit of a bummer but like these guys were pulling out like five hundred dollar dress shoes and I'm here in my fucking LL being shirt and some you know what I'm gonna say oh that's the the Dominican quota for Tommy Bahama gear is high but I only brought the Tommy out once but I just like bad the irons going and they were like swapping shit and like hello And I thought, you know, I'm a DG light blue guy. I thought that's something these guys were like snow where near expensive enough for me So I did feel a little inadequate in that department, but sometimes you just got to be yourself Yeah, we'll get you Outfitted with a higher in Cologne, Kyle I like it. I like it. I just didn't even realize like that's like not even a starter for some guys So um, but yeah, it was great. Those guys those guys were fun. I can't wait for the wedding I have a couple follow ups. Okay On the bar stool thing you texted me too. Yes, just you do Yeah, and I was a little more forward with you. I was not forward with it at all You can be as forward as you need to. Yeah, I mean that's that's our relationship I don't and I knew exactly I got the text I knew exactly what was going on here. Like I'm 20 deep. I work for bar stool They did give me a discount on the check though I'm the way out I was like if I work for bars does anything happen? He's like, I'm sure Oh, there you go. You didn't really check me out that much. I was like I got email I could show you my email if you want, but she was like, no, I have trust Okay, let's punch the party thing there though. Not. Oh, yeah. Yeah, batch of rats. I even batch the parties a lot of penis straws You know what? I think they've just looked around decided that wasn't the place For penis straws I'd be the place. Yeah, penis straws. I told you to text mincey. That was my only response is I know what you wanted Out there to you want to be able to tell your boys. Hey, I work here and this is a home base and like we want the corner spot And we want to do all this and You know the whole deal and I I don't have any There's nothing there like I you asking me. I was like I don't that was kind of the part in the day where when I was at frolic room I just start firing off phone calls. So the fact that I only did that was Minor miracle. I think it was fine. It was totally fine I knew where your head was at. I just knew I didn't have a solution for you. What was the big cat? I just basically asked to happen. I'm like I'm in Scottsdale I just wrote past this place barstool Scottsdale. What's the deal with this place? At a bachelor party. There's 18 guys 16 to minute. It's probably getting a little run down And he was just like fine request Yeah, the demographic and he just gave me the you know what it is and I was like I'm not even gonna reply to that all right, okay What do you send you a link to the website? No, you just told me yeah It's like yeah, I was like it's like are there guys that work like what what is this? Here's basically there's the after five is the franchise like, you know They pay a fee to be barstool scouts ever. Yeah, okay, but they took care of you felt did you feel a little special? Because I think that's what all of us would want you just want to be able to tell your boys like I got this Yeah, yeah, but they felt a little special a little bit. Yeah, okay, good It's all we're looking for safe. Yeah, I will say that the weather thing was like done the Friday after we had slept there like noon like not why are we here in Phoenix, it's got still just why are we here now So there was a couple of times where the heat was a bit a present Desert in the summer stuff. I'm shocked that place is that popular I've been there in the summer and I you just go I Know there's other ways to live Yeah, you're like the opposite of a snowberg But people that live there love it like they absolutely love it and I but then I'll ask them like you can't They love like three or four months. You just can't be outside the middle there like you just can't they love the dry heat joke Dude's love that one. Yeah, I think we were there for a final four maybe like years and years ago And that's how I was there two years ago for fun it was oppressively hot in April. Yeah, I was like oh, okay Interesting I Remember I left the hotel to go for a hike And it was a little later and the guy was like no, he's like you shouldn't go And I was like no thanks for that fine. He's like it's too late in the day and now you're like the sun's gonna be down on the back side of like where you're coming And I went Yeah, if I were a nerd maybe That's that's that you're not the person that's out that the thing is though is that if it is dark and you turn your ankle You'd be sitting there with the coyotes Until the sun is yeah, yeah, exactly Kyle the ratlers Okay, get some life advice Stuff for you here You know what somebody just checked in and we'll just keep the message out there audience continues to grow So in case anyone ever missed it the countdown method Ryan Steve Kyle. I'll keep it short the countdown method while lifting is a game changer It's allowed me to further my gains. I'm now finishing sets more consistently Thank you to the emailer and you guys from mentioning this way back when again if you don't know that's counting Down instead of up I just I had it happen to me the other day, right? I was My mind was telling me to stop Eight to one, you know what two was like hey, we're almost done This is awesome and my mind was shutting my body down. I wish I didn't know how to count Just for the gains Like he's pretty good with English but he just like he doesn't know how to count. He's an adult Although not being able to count and doing this would probably tough with some of the stats stuff, but just 307 nine and a half nine or just I don't you know, I don't know how to count because like if you're going 10 9 8 Then it's eight just go 12 11 10 start all over again, and you'll be shocked How often it works you should try to coin that remember like it curved when Richard Lewis was trying to coin the blank from hell You know in the bar. Let's think maybe there's maybe there's a way we can just get your name attached to that before it's totally everywhere Maybe I don't know because the problem is I'm so used to it now that That's what I the next step would be unlearning the order of numbers so I would never actually know just not even counting. Yeah I just I think it's such a like I'm not to get like Huberman on you, but I just feel like It's such an unbelievable Huberman. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I'm not even Not in the guy at all. I just the science of the mind to When it is anticipating being done How it will decide that you were done before you were actually done because it's this anticipation towards some sort of line Man some heavy shit. I don't think I have a book out of that though All right, let's get back to what we're better at um my friend is lying to his wife 581 70 no gym stats player comp Travis best Old friend Travis best. I'm writing to you guys about my friend. Let's call him Craig who I just found out as lying to his wife about his past just some background in my I'm in my late 30s and have a very tight neck group of eight friends since elementary school Wow Including Craig eight deep from elementary school Including Craig so we basically know everything about each other um The other day we're at a barbecue together where there were wives and kids and all of our kids are playing together in the yard Someone made a comment about Craig's kid along the lines of that he was big compared to the other kids and bowling Some of them over while they were playing soccer together Craig's wife. Let's call her Sarah commented commented quote well, yeah, what do you expect both his parents are D1 athletes? We looked at each other confused until one of my other friends asked what she meant by that She matter of fact we said yeah, I played I'll see If anyone's listening to this and she you're giving us the exact quote and the schools aren't changed um I played let's just make them up. I played lacrosse at Maryland and he played basketball at Let's say Vermont They should like like Okay. Yeah, because Maryland's a good lacrosse school, right? Yeah, and this is a good lacrosse school too. Okay, but she went to and You know Vermont's good, but it's not It's not Kansas. It's like a safe bet if you're gonna lie about Yeah, no offense to my my people back in Burlington Guy Becker, but yeah, right. I think the school that I've replaced it with I think they're equivalent schools Look, if you're still playing D1 basketball anywhere the amount of people playing basketball I mean you're if you're playing D1 basketball you're fucking good at basketball, okay Uh again, we looked at each other flabbergasted because we all know that Craig did not in fact play basketball at a D1 school nor did he play basketball in college or Or even attend the school that he oh my god. No layers A blooming onion of lies No one said anything to Sarah about it and the subject got changed I mean he looks the part of the basketball player about six three-ish is actually a very good pickup basketball player for a guy in his late 30s But he barely played in a his in his high school team and cert wow didn't even play Certainly did not play at college and in fact there were always questions about if he ever graduated college at all You got you guys got me go buddies that you were like 15 years later they go hey, you know, I never graduated not 15 We had a buddy and he listened so what's up? Just the guy was like sleeping everywhere and just was like still around going to classes and wasn't enrolled Um, I love it. He was between schools. Yeah, that's how we call us how we describe in schools. He's a fine guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's the same guy Let me look at the lectures this way. He just he he popped into my modern Russia class. It's great um Yeah, he we weren't sure like a good five years after if the diploma like I think he had like three credits He just like didn't finish and we're just no everyone's kind of afraid to ask him so they just didn't and we just all assume that he Probably didn't and I think he had to go back and get it But yeah, it got we got resolved eventually but 15 years is aggressive I think we had one that we were like we Like no one had a confirmed I was there was plenty of people like did you actually ever I didn't see You get away with that though, you know like are people checking. I guess I've never really long I don't know. Do they want trans groups like they have to send it over from the school Maybe if you're going over for like a bank or something. I don't know I have one really ridiculous reason why I didn't walk and I don't think I'm gonna share it Okay. Yeah, I should have I should have walked here sort of as you're It's funny. It's actually really funny, but I'm I'm not gonna share it and then I was so disappointed myself I'm like you don't even deserve to walk You know and then I'm not sure my father believed me and then my diploma showed up in his house Because I was power minute That for me When I saw it, I was like, I actually did graduate. That's why I'm All right, so back to our guy here Ha I'm not sure if it came up again and we told the I'm not sure if it came up again And we told the truth that she would probably be embarrassed and probably be mad at Craig and maybe even cause Miracle issues for them my question you guys issue. We have told his wife or Did we do the right thing by saying nothing in the grand scheme of things? It's a pretty harmless live It's still pretty crazy that his wife believes this when all the other friends in the group and her wives know it's a lie Is just to know what the council thinks about this thinks in advance. I would have kept my mouth shut And I would have made a fucking b-line for Craig be like dude. What the fuck are you doing? And I would have probably brought at the event. Yeah, if there's a quiet corner somewhere at the totally Dude, you are a maniac. You would have quiet cornered him on the scene totally I'd be like looking around for him at this. How do you keep that in? Yes If I found out that everything I could wait to find or I mean you same day this. Yeah. Oh yeah Oh, yeah, if he's like within walking distance of me. I'm there and soon as I can be there. I Yeah, I'm not making a scene like there's no guy's like you're drinking you get a little animated dude. This is exactly right It's like you want to have worse. Yeah I'm not I'm not making a scene but I'm talking to my buddy But you might be making a scene not thinking you're making a scene because how how casual could that? That's not a casual conversation. I'm not saying I'm making a line But he's obviously not in this group of people. That's all like uncomfortable. So, you know, just say you're making a beeline Maybe I'd meant like a maybe like a Z line or something. Maybe maybe I'd say I mean Yeah, I'm not gonna spike my beer and then walk Conversation, but I'm gonna like next the next free moment I have will be to find my god I'm scanning for Craig and figuring out how to get over there quietly quickly Normally I like to think that um, you know if you get an issue with somebody you care about, you know like figure it out Right figure it out like get over that tough first few minutes and the reward will be there instead of the Talk shit. I think in this case. I would just talk shit about him to the rest of the group and be like that's insane That's insane. It's so insane That I don't even know if I could say anything to him about it. I think my opener is you're crazy Never gonna forget this. Also your wife's telling people this you might have to think about a solution All right, yeah, that sounds like a threat. I don't think he can ever say it. That's a wild lie. How has it not gotten out yet? Either like it's the first time. Oh my god. I was proud of it. I'm terrified like the whole workers other family friends like this is like I would be Paranoid living with this lie Also because she's also she's also deep. One like she probably cares about max preps or whatever like she might be interested Like how was he in college? Like how has she never looked up just to see your stats? Right right that is kind of strange It's also a situation. She also appreciates sports stats Yeah, so he must have like that must have been an important thing to her He somehow knew that and then lie about it and they're like oh, yeah You know, I'm also a deal with athlete and then you're in then you're in this lie and then you're just in it until you have kids Like it's crazy like you can never go back on that lie, right? I mean, I guess there probably is some sort of tattooed statue limitations where she'll still probably love you but Like what you know, are you like 50 years old? You're like actually I have something as serious to tell you honey Like I I actually played it ever more. Yeah I don't think he can tell her. I'm glad you guys didn't say anything I don't even know why you're asking us that like it's not your role to be like actually He didn't even if you guys have all known each other since you were like single digits Which is a wild scenario that you have eight core guys, which is great So I mean, you know in a way it probably feels like these are your brothers more than they're just your friends Because we know each other your entire lives, but if he told her that what you clearly did The problem is is like what if the kid ends up being good and then she's going to all these things And again, this isn't like You know the tri cities where you're on basketball reference being like what was that in 1938? Like if you're in your 30s Shit exists. Yeah, so there's gonna be some real confusion why 17 years ago. There aren't any stats from I mean We're not even talking like 2006 2007 that stuff should be should be able to find it And she's never looked and so she may introduce like say the kids in junior high at some camp and she's like, oh, you're gonna meet my husband. He played it Delaware Was that the one? Okay, no making up schools Yeah, I don't know man. This is this is why I said this this lie would I would eat at me. I would be so paranoid I just want to know how he's dealing with it like so. What have you been doing? Does it ever come up? But there's the I can't believe you wouldn't confront your buddy like there's no way I'm like saying anything Friends and tell about your school just met this marriage or yeah, I'm not trying to do anything But like I am absolutely letting him know like hey, dude, we know and this is insane Yeah, but I don't think it's any of the friends To have like a ruling on it. You want to make fun of them? You want to say that's it, but I don't I don't think it's your right to be like you have to do something No, no, no, this is just a hey, we got we know kind of like eyes thing and you're a legend, bro Yeah, I can't believe it that's off because you know because the thing that probably happened It's like it's it just started off as like this probably this innocent lie, and then it's just like become this thing that he can't like Come clean on right like who knows if you knew who's gonna marry this woman have kids where they're an old sudden like on the first day Maybe you can imagine why not one. Yeah, and it's just and here we are, however many years like it's a good Tim Robinson skit And like it comes out at like a nice like kids birthday Yeah, he just you on that riding staff pile. That's really good He'd be great at that. I mean you want to tell me that guys in the 90s Weren't at the casket flag and saying they just get called up from the Paws socks. Yeah, yeah, like you know, but Chances are you are gonna marry somebody? I mean you guys are making a great point because it's like imagine you know this tall drink of waters over in the corner, and she's like hey, I played Lacks at John Hopkins. He's like, oh, I Was at Kansas State, you know, so Okay, state who knows few years ago. Mm-hmm. You'd be like no way. You must've been nasty. You know I probably saw you on TV here. Yeah. Yeah I don't easily someone had done some hard time remembering that Yeah, it's close, but I think you well this got to need actually play there so I don't have to worry about whether or not you play there at the same time But yeah, I I mean guys say stuff, but To then end up being like, oh, I really like her. Oh, I'm gonna get engaged. Oh Married and now kids and now we're at a barbecue in our late 30s But you think about the web of this like her parents think that he played in college like her friend tells her friends He played in college her friends boyfriends and husbands think that he played in college That is terrifying to me One person finds out the wrong person finds out and you are so fucked God Know imagine her sending him videos of Dejon love Like have you seen this crazy story about this Niners receivers. It wasn't on the Niners These sitting there is like well, you know who knows what he was going through. Yeah, they take it aside It's not rush the judgment. 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Six-foot identify at six-one, two-ten, max bench, two-sixty-five, that was back in 22. More of an in-game strength guy, even though all of the fallacies played D-end, N-Rugby, and pick-up comp, Kings or Clippers, Ben Simmons, congrats the Sacramento Kings for getting Ben Simmons in-house. I'll try my ass off and sweat enough for the cardio benefit, but a typical physical guy just put in a shoulder down and going strong with his left. But enjoy passing. That's all I got. Then I go Dremon, set screens, tight defense, diving for loose balls, just ruining 40-year-old guys afternoons. I feel like I know this guy already, but I info. Now when I think about my crowd, you're probably not a fan. That's fine. I don't know. Can you ever really get mad at hustle? All right. But here's a deal. I'm a fifth-year senior. We'll leave the school out, big-ten school, typical bro like Ryan at UV, GBM. I've turned a guy that had a group of friends that I would go to the bars with every weekend, going out 25 deep. But we were all seniors last year, all my friends graduated while I'm the guy that switches major late in his back at school for a full fifth year. I have my own apartment, which is very nice. You've been living in a drunk mess for three years, but I am here at school all by myself. I have my fraternity brothers in the grade below me that I'm friends with, but the other thing is my ex-girlfriend works to the local, basically only popular bar on campus, which has caused me to get banned. That's not what caused you, buddy. Come on. You told us all this information. You think she's just, that's why you didn't play the coach any, come on, what happened? I had a situation where it was like the one spot and then I wasn't banned, but it was always uncomfortable, but it was always a little icy. Sure. I could deal with that, but let's band, so you must have done something, dude, then I brought it to you. Five years to get in trouble with that bar. Come on. She didn't have a good shift that night. All right. Which is crazy and really stinks, but it kind of helps me out just to avoid potential issues, but I packed kind of lame. What? You got to check the time on this email. Yeah. Just a gentleman. I don't know about it. It's just got late. Just got a email from the bar is walking home. It's like, I got to tell right about this. I don't think he means pack like, yeah, I don't know, kind of lame, but hey, I got the time. I've always been a man child with big shoulders and big hips. I keep telling myself, this is the time, you understand yourself, work on you, test yourself before you are out there in the workplace, or genuinely no one else besides your family gives a shit about you. I know I need to go through the struggle of pain and understanding myself, but it really sucks. It is a boring cycle of consistency, lifting ball, face time with friends. I'd love any advice to a guy in my situation that feels like they are underachieving based on what they expected themselves to have already done. I've started a blog about college ball because I love it, not even going to bring it up for a plug because that's how much of a damn gentleman I am, but I'm 23 years old living on my own for the first time and trying to learn about myself for the first time. I have three older brothers that are great with advice and also massive fans, but I know you experience the extra years in college yourself. I'd love a quick recap on the advice that you guys make because I don't think the Netflix guys know. I hope you have a great Labor Day. I also don't want to bring up the go-t you were going for so I'm not going to say anything about it. Not a go-t. It's still like it. It's that look. I think there are times where you should look bad and then when you clean everything up, it's improvement. Yeah. I used to do what I had here. Raised the bar sometimes. Yeah. That's exactly silly. I used to let my hair when I had it get kind of nasty and gross and then you get the town on a Thursday with a fresh cut like who's the international student from Sweden? No. Oh, it's Ryan. Well, look, I would say like the simplest advice I could give you is and it's the same thing kind of happen. You're going to think that one year gap is like 10 years and it's really stupid and it's a waste of time and even though it's different and all your friends are gone, which sucks because all my friends actually left the exact same time and then I didn't want to like hang out with the younger guys because I felt like my time was over. I probably should have just hung out with the younger guys. But there's always this weird divide between classes, especially if it's a fraternity thing where you're kind of like, well, I haze that guy so like the relationships never going to be the same. And he probably thinks the exact same thing about you and then there's like a moment where it's like, actually this guy isn't that cool. That's older than me. This is cool as he is and then fuck you and then there'll be like a younger guy that tells you to fuck off. He's been waiting to say it to you for like four years and then he says it to you and you're like, oh, I kind of have to eat that even though it doesn't feel right with this whole hierarchy that we have here. There's nothing like actually brothering up after a pledge and then the older guys are like there's nothing worse than a pledge except for a new brother. Neo fights are even worse and we're like, oh, great. So I went through six months of shit like this to be treated even worse. I couldn't handle this in college. Yeah. It's so rigid. I don't know. Because I'm everything like, I can't believe we're actually going to the house the first time as brothers we grow then and all the old guys are like, get out of here. We're like, isn't that part over? It's been pulled. And we got like in trouble. So this went on forever like, isn't it supposed to be fun now? And I'm not supposed to be looked down upon it's like, no, it's actually going to be even worse. And you're like, oh, this is, this is where do I send my check? So I'm just, you're going to, when you're 27, 28, all this bullshit's doing in your mind because you're experiencing all this stuff for the first time, which you have clearly pointed out and accurately assessed. None of it's going to matter. You're just going to be like, why couldn't I have just been thrilled that, you know, you're going to get through school, you're going to get your degree. And dude, you're 23, the other guys are 22. It's not 30 and 15 here. Just you're, you're clearly not going to go out as much, which you've already stated. And there should be times where you allow yourself to still enjoy that part of it without having all of these bullshit like restrictions in your head, because there's probably a lot of younger guys that do like you. Yeah, you don't want to be sitting there like shown up to meetings every single week, being like, hey, what are we doing with the gazebo, you know, like I understand, like, not want to do that. I didn't want to do any of that stuff. I had a six year that was living with me in the department outside of town and he was like going to meetings. I'm like, what are you doing? And he's like, I have nothing else to do. He's like, I have like 12 credits the next two semesters. I don't care. I'm going like he went full into it. He also had a death in his family that like cost him kind of a good chunk of his senior year, which I totally understood why I was doing is like, I want to make up for all that time because my senior year sucked. And I was like, you know, great point. So look, I've kind of said it all here, but just none of this shit, none of it matters. All of these anxieties that you have about what you should or shouldn't be doing. No one, I know you're carrying it around. I feel like you're wearing this jersey that says, I should have been gone already. Just don't look at it that way because you will regret kind of this self-inflicted restriction trust me later on when you're in your 20s, you were like, well, I kind of just relaxed about this whole thing. I was going to graduate. Like, I'm not a moron. I changed my major. I'm good. You know, don't worry about it. I don't think there's anything wrong with tightening up your last year in fantasy land, but that's what it is. Like, it's, it's all going to be like, he already knows it's going to be harder, but like, then you won't be in fantasy land anymore. You're taking his punch. So like, I would, I would definitely try to find the balance. You know, you don't have to focus on like being fucking Batman, you know, being like, eating rice and whatever he's trying to do to like make himself like, build his future while he's still in the sky. Yeah, right. You don't have to solidify that. You don't have to live like Batman, dude. It's fine. And you're at a huge school that's fun, you know, like, this is a massive school. You have great sports, like, don't, don't deny this because of some weird thing that you had. And I totally understand what you're doing because I did it too. And I kind of regret it. Yeah. I don't have much to add to them. Like, can you use this year to like better yourself, too? Like, can you, like, if you're weird about all these other things, these college things, like going out and, and whatever, you feel like you don't belong? And I don't know. Find a hobby. Like golf more. I don't know. Like, start figuring out something. I don't know. I do something like, that's going to better your life in a lot of years. Go put some time in a free gap, man. Where, yeah, you basically have like a, you know, a get out of jail free card here. And like, you get a year to do all this stuff and learn and do whatever. Like, you don't have to just like rage and act like you're, you know, a van wilder. You can be a normal dude, you know, pick up some hobbies and have fun. Although a van wilder did seem like he had a pretty good time, um, he didn't have it at the end. Yeah. I didn't watch it. Okay. Yeah, I actually never watched it. All right. That'll do it for the show. All available. All episodes available on Netflix. Thanks to Tom Kevin. 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