Cenk Uygur + Mike Huckabee - Netanyahu's 'Stand Down' Plot + Israel 'Terrorism'

As you would collapse say what was going through your mind here we go again that somebody in the government say stand up That is a legitimate non-conspiracy question Charlie is right. It takes 45 minutes to cross Israel and a helicopter Why did the idea after this amazing military not show off for six or seven hours that's insane the people running the government of Israel that have lost Their minds that have gone rogue why are we still listening to them they've lit the world on fire even the huckabees of the world Are going to have to say yeah well of course it's terrorism. I don't think the people who are doing most of this are even settlers I call them not the settlers, but the unsettlers Finally a president who after 47 and a half years of Iran threatening death to America President Trump stood up and said no president Trump ought to be given the Nobel Peace Prize The international fiorore about the UK sanctions on Israeli terrorism in the West Bank had only one tenuous benefit for Prime Minister Netanyahu It took some of the headlines away from a bombshell report that he was explicitly warned of a major Hamas attack seven days before October The 7th not by some trigger happy military adviser or by so-called intelligence chatter But by the prime minister of the UAE a warning given directly man-to-man on a secure phone delivered for that unique purpose The allegations published by herets talk about specific knowledge of a quote terrifying operation which could destabilize the whole region that operation we now know was October the 7th An atrocity for which according to Naftali Bennett Netanyahu now pairs personal and direct responsibility Well the Israeli prime minister strongly denies the claims and says he will sue the newspaper But it's already become another hammer blow to a man until that day build a vast political machine around his personal brand as Mr. Security It only has to the fury about the shocking delay in responding as the attack unfolded In some areas there was no response in some at all for six hours It took two entire days for all Hamas fighters to be removed and the obvious question is why was it grotesque and fatal incompetence or something far more sinister? Well last week on the show the prime minister spokesman refused to comment on the story while repeatedly invoking Charlie Kirk to justify Israeli policy in the West Bank Well here is Charlie Kirk speaking to Patrick Baddavid not long after the attacks So I've been israel many times the whole country's a fortress when I first heard this story I still have the same gut instinct that I did initially I find this very hard to believe I've been to that Gaza border you cannot go 10 feet without running into a 19 year old with an AR 15 or an automatic machine gun that is an IDF soldier Right the whole country is surveilled the last nine months Israel is on the brink of civil war it's not an exaggeration this judicial stuff there were there were hundreds of thousands of Israelis taking to the streets because BB Netanyahu is basically redefining the Israeli constitution that's not an exaggeration right He said the judicial branches too much power there were protests planned this week against Netanyahu where they anticipated tens of thousands of people to take to the streets that's all gone Patrick Netanyahu now has an emergency government and a mandate to lead I'm not I'm not willing to say to go so far that saying that Netanyahu knew or there was intelligence here but I think some questions need to be asked was there a stand-down order Was there a stand-down order six hours I don't believe it Israel's the side of new size New Jersey when I took a helicopter ride from Jerusalem to the Gaza border it's 45 minutes Six hours they're live streaming the killing of Jews was that somebody in the government say stand-down that is a legitimate non conspiracy question Now it's possible to draw a thick straight line from October the 7th to the Iran War that Netanyahu said he's already dreamed about as well as much of the political chaos now enveloping President Trump With critical elections looming both men could be facing the end of the line Well shortly I'll be speaking to Mike Huckabee who's the US ambassador to Israel but first I'm joined here in New York with by Czech Yuga the founder and CEO of the young Turks Well Czech great to see you we're actually sitting just two feet away from each other but because of the vagaries of modern technology We're looking down the barrel of different cameras but great to see you and before we go any further we must clear up one thing Last time you were on my show you appeared to collapse on your chair and what has become known as chair gate in our world Can you explain exactly what happened to you that day? Well Israel came into the van before I did and obviously Jerry rigged the chair No it was a simple mess up As you were collapsing what was going through your mind? Here we go again It's always something right? But you know we have this saying about the young Turks our fans say that we're too strong So maybe that's what happened Well it's great that you're alive and well a survivor chair gate and I'm glad we cleared that up Let's talk about what is going on now with Netanyahu a misextraordinary stunning I mean earth shattering report I don't think I'm exaggerating it The prime minister of the UAE about ten days before October the 7th gave him a specific warning Something of this magnitude was likely to happen and the reporting virus is that Netanyahu didn't do anything with that information Which would appear if this is true and he obviously denies it but if it's true to be the most extraordinary dereliction of prime minister of duty imaginable Yeah so I'm actually not overly surprised by it at all and that's because Netanyahu is a radical Zionist And look I that Charlie Kirk clip to you played we've shown on the young Turks several times And so that's just a couple of days after October 7th and by the way he also said that they were going to ethnically cleanse the over 2 million Palestinians there Like he already knew on October 12th he knew so and he remember he had a lot of connections with the Israelis because a lot of the folks who donated to talking point USA were supporters of Israel So look we've seen this unfortunately far too many times with radical Zionists They're willing to you know throw their own under the bus I mean they call Bernie Sanders and anti-Samite And what do they call mill band band the other day and he's Jewish I mean they're absurd there's no they took out Andy Levin from Congress who's another Jewish American from a story Jewish family And that's because he had the temerity to say Tuesday solution But also there are reports that and we showed a video on on the young Turks about how they were talking about you know firing on their own hostages They're not and so if people don't know this history and I know everybody's going to get offended but it's history I didn't do it They did it design has broken anti Nazi boycott in 1933 other Jewish groups at the time were furious with them They're terrorist groups made a deal with the Nazis to fight against the British in Palestine My point there is that they have not minded throwing Jews under the bus for their radical fascist agenda Time and time again so I'm not remotely surprised that Netanyahu looked at other way if there was going to be an attack Because remember he's not doing it for no reason he's doing it for the greater Israel project And he views if we can take Gaza and West Bank as southern Lebanon it's going to be worth the lives of the Israelis that were killed I mean a lot of people will say we think you would say this because your Israel obsessed and this is you know your natural default position But at the same time you have people like the former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Omar who was on CNN last week with Christian M and Paul I'm struck by what you said I have reason to believe that yes he was warned Can you tell me any more details of those reasons? Maybe one day I'll have to say it in court if Netanyahu will be powerful enough I mean courageous enough to challenge the Arabs in the press I have again I say the Christine I want to be very accurate I have no doubt that the publication Hina Aritz was accurate and I have a good reason to believe that it was accurate But you know journalist and even political persons are not always free to open up their sources So there you have a former Prime Minister of Israel on the record saying that he has very good independent sourcing But it says to him this story is true and again you know check I come back to the sheer bombshell nature of this If it is as Hirets has reported and which we now see Olmert and others endorsing from their own sources And after Ali Bennett has obviously condemned it very quickly as well You have a situation where it would appear the serving Prime Minister of Israel was given specific warning That something like this may happen did nothing with it and that there may have been I don't know this and he denies it But there may have been the kind of ulterior motive that you painted which in his mind he's thinking if there is a big attack It will allow me to then orchestrate and execute the much bigger plan of potentially kicking Palestinians out of Gaza out of the West Bank and so on Yeah well the proofs and the pudding as you British say right so we're seeing it right in front of our eyes you don't have to trust me on it You don't have to trust the former Israeli Prime Minister's two of them there's dozens of former Israeli generals that are now saying the same exact thing Because they don't want Israelis killed either and neither do I I don't I want for peace and non-violence I want a safe Israel and I want a safe and independent Palestine So, look, you know, they say it's a tool. talking point to say, "Oh, you guys are obsessed with Israel." Well, okay, fair enough, I do talk about Israel a lot, but why do I, and a lot of people talk about it so much? It's because Nicaragua didn't bring us into a disastrous war in Iran. They did. Bolivia didn't create a genocide. Israel did. And on top of that, they are making us pay for all of these things. And it's absurd. And then they've now gotten so out of control. Look, on the stand-on order, let's be clear. There are IDF soldiers on tape. Again, we've shown it on the young Turks, you can show it anywhere, saying, "Yeah, we got a stand-on order." And Charlie is right. It takes 45 minutes to cross Israel and a helicopter. Why did the IDF, this amazing military, not show off for six or seven hours? That's insane. Why were they talking about shooting their own people? Why did they let them take the hostages? I mean, look, the second part of that bombshell story, Pears, is about how they could have gotten the hostages back. Hamas said, "Not all of them, but the civilians that were younger than 18 and over 50 years old." Hamas said, "We don't need anything. It's a bad PR for us. We just want to give it back," right? And Netanyahu's government basically said, "No." That said, "It's so outrageous." And so, look, when you get into this, and I think it's a strain of fascism that escaped from Europe and came to Israel. And that's what Zionism is. And so, and fascism has nothing to do with your religious background or your race, Japanese, Italians, Germans, Spanish, Israelis. You can argue for other countries and ethnicities. It's an ideology. And it's so radical. It doesn't really care about anything else. Look at how they're wildly attacking Spain, Britain, Ireland. Everybody's an enemy. And now, because the British said, "Hey, can you stop murdering people in the West Bank now? You guys are the enemy." And you need to be attacked. And they're going to kick you out of Israel, which I thought don't threaten them with a good time. Like, so cares if you get kicked out. But it goes to the mentality of, "No, the people criticizing Israel are just noticing what's happening." It's the people running the government of Israel that have lost their minds, that have gone rogue. And here's what's so unsettling to me as an American is, "Okay, there's a country that used to be an ally of ours who's lost their mind." It happens from time to time. Why are we still listening to them? Why are we still funding them when they're working against our interests, their own citizens' interests? And they've lit the world on fire because of this war in Iran, Saudi Arabia's in shambles. You've got gas shortages in South Korea and India. Mexico had this giant demonstration yesterday to free Palestine. Why is there free Palestine demonstration in Mexico? Because Israel has lit the entire world on fire with this war, just so they could have regional dominance. There is, of course, an Israeli election looming, looking at the polymarket, a prediction market on this, asking who will be prime minister of Israel after that election. It's $37 million in this market currently. The former IDF chief of staff, Gary Eisenkott, is in the lead of 54% representing the Yasha party. Netanyahu, of course, from the could, is behind on 30%. I've hardly been it on 10%. What do you make of those odds? And if Eisenkott was to win as the market's account is suggesting he's the favorite to do, what difference would that make? So it's hard to tell. First of all, they're all war criminals. But I get that Eisenkott is, we hope, better for the world. And right now, Israel's leaders, Netanyahu, a bank of your smote rich, but not the only benefit as well, saying through the world, we're against the entire world because they're all anti-Samites anyway. Let's just attack everyone. So that's a path of destruction for Israel. So they'd be nuts to vote for either one of those guys. But me saying that would probably help Netanyahu. But am I sure that Eisenkott is going to solve these things? No, not at all. So there's two different problems, Pierce. One is the current media. Let's attack everyone. Let's keep Southern Lebanon. Let's keep 70% of Gaza. Let's keep attacking Iran. If Eisenkott can come back from the ledge on that, that's great. That's great. I'm happy to take point one. But he's never going to do point two. Point two is free-the-Palestinians. And Knesset has voted, basically overwhelmingly, every single Jewish Israeli member of Knesset said, we're never going to free-the-Palestinians. Well, that's untenable. That is a permanent apartheid state, which is racist by definition, bigoted by definition. And what do you need to carry out that kind of fascism? You need to brutalize the Palestinians and the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. So we all have Eisenirs. And by the way, their number one ally is American media. American media lies on their behalf 24/7. That's why the rest of the world knows how evil and fascist this current Israeli government is. And America, you know, now 60% of us know, but the people watching cable news still don't are not aware of it. But we all know the rest of us see it. If they continue to occupy the Palestinians, if they never leave Gaza, if they never leave southern Lebanon, at the end of the day, it's not going to solve anything. Do you want a safe haven for Jews? Because that is easy. We can make that happen. 53 Arab nations have already agreed to a perfectly good peace deal. The problem is that Israelis don't want peace. If Eisencock brings peace and gives two-state solution and it's a real independent Palestinian state, then the world will love him for it. But if he chooses the path of destruction that they're currently on, then it's not going to make any difference. We saw an extraordinary moment last week where Mike Huckabee went public and categorized what Israeli settlers were doing to Americans on the West Bank was tantamount to terrorism. We use surprise that he used that word. And what do you make of the significance of it? Well, I was surprised at Huckabee used that word. The word is not surprising. They're definitely terrorists in the West Bank, the Israeli settlers. There's no question about that. Like, again, American media is so disgustingly biased that they haven't barely talked about the October 7th that's happened in the West Bank. So so far, the Israeli settlers and the IDF have murdered more civilians in the West Bank than homostead on October 7th. They've also done an October 7th in Gaza since the so-called ceasefire. The Israelis never listen to ceasefires. It's worthless to sign any deal with them for this current government. And so they've also done an October 7th since the ceasefire. They've now done 75 October 7th in Gaza and the West Bank and Lebanon combined. Our media says who cares? Those are just Palestinians and Lebanese and Arabs and Christians and Muslims. So their lives are utterly irrelevant. That's only October 7th and Israel that matters. So but we're in a situation where they've they've got to stop. If they got they've got to rejoin the same nations on earth. But if they keep insisting on on this, even the huckabees of the world are going to have to say, yeah, well, of course it's terrorism. They're going and murdering civilians and then taking their homes literally. This is not like a hypothetical discussion about taking land and God promise it to you 3000 years ago, one of the most preposterous talking points in human history. What if the Turks came and said, no, God promise it to us. Now we're going to murder you and take your homes. Everybody be like, ah, rages, right in there. Be right, of course. But you replace Turks or Albanians or any other nationality with Israelis and everybody's like, of course, God says to murder the Palestinians, take their land. But it's not just land. It's literally their physical property. They come in and they murder the people inside that house and then they take the house and go, now this is an Israeli house because God promised it to us 3000 years ago. Well, that's what terrorists do. And peers, how many times have we talked about radical, fundamentalist Muslims? They don't represent all 1.6 billion Muslims, they're a tiny group. But they believe God told them they could kill people and take their stuff. That's exactly what the Israelis think. But to be, if we're being honest, almost all of the settlers in the West Bank believe that they should kill the Palestinians and take their land. They're all terrorists and right now the Israeli people are in a bad, bad place. They can turn around, everybody can turn around. The Germans are peaceful now. Look at how big a difference it is. I believe in humanity, so I think that the Israelis can turn around. But they've got to start. They got to get on the road because right now they're near the end of fascism. They're nowhere near the right answer. They've got to stop murdering civilians and taking their land. I mean, I never thought I'd see a day where the majority of Americans in all the Poles now have a negative view of Israel. I didn't think that day would come. And yet it's here. And the negativity is rising. And of course, one of the consequences of this, there are many consequences. But one of which is that many people who live in America who are Jewish are feeling more and more insecure and intimidated and vulnerable and fearful. Because they're seeing these poll numbers and they're seeing a conflation by many people between people who hate what the Israeli government is doing, a very right wing Israeli government and the likes of Ben Giver and Smontrish spewing their psychopathic nonsense. And they conflate it with the Jewish population around the world, the 15 million Jews. And so Jewish people, I know, I've spoken to them. They're feeling very concerned about this. There's a general conflation going on that Netanyahu, Ben Giver and Smontrish and Mrs. Israeli government represent all Jews. They don't. But yeah, there's no such thing as the Jews, right? Like any ethnicity or any religion or race. There's a great variety. We're all human beings. So in that case, I would say this breaks down super roughly into four groups. First of all, there's Jewish Americans, I don't know about Jews in the rest of the world. I know some British Jews, but that are in the peace movement. They've been there from day one and they're angels and they're the best of us, right? So I love those Jewish brothers and sisters. And there's people who are Jewish and don't particularly care about Israel, they're not against it. They're just not Israeli, they're Americans. And so they don't spend much time thinking about it. Then there's a Zionist who are good people. They believe in the project of Israel. They haven't thought through what that means for the Palestinians and they're trying super hard not to think about what it means for the Palestinians because if they do, they're going to be racked with shame and guilt. But they're not trying to destroy people, et cetera, right? Then there's the radical Zionists. And the radical Zionists say we speak for all the Jews and I weirdly and ironically agree with the groipers. So the rest of Jewish Americans, by the way, 63% of Jewish Americans are against the current government of Israel. So stop hiding behind them. So the radical Zionists are using the other Jews as human shields. And so they keep saying we represent all the Jews. The Jews all think the same thing. The Jews are in favor of this genocide. The Jews are in favor of these wars. Number one, that is a lie. It is empirically incorrect. Jewish Americans do not agree with the current Israeli government. Number two, you're hiding behind the civilians. Number three, it's super callous and it's driving up anti-Semitism. And then of course, you know what they'll say, Pierce, well, since you're trying to protect the other Jews, you're an anti-Semite. Like there isn't anything they wouldn't answer with you're an anti-Semite. And unfortunately, a lot of American media agree with the radical Zionists. They go, if you ever criticize Israel, you're an anti-Semite. You should be destroyed and your career should be ruined and you should never be allowed on. Right? So why is all of our media weirdly with the French minority of Jews in America who are driving the wars and the genocides and pretending to speak for other Jews when they most certainly don't? The next thing I expect is going to happen and we'll see if I'm right or wrong, is a rebellion within the Jewish community saying, I've had enough. I've had enough of these guys pretending that I'm for genocide. I never signed up for that. Stop speaking for me. I know that if there was radical Muslims saying all Muslims are in favor of terrorism or all Muslims are in favor of war, I would speak out super loudly and strongly and say that's not the case. Don't smear the rest of us with your radical fascist agenda and I suspect that that's what's going to happen within the Jewish community next because Jewish American leaders are not being a response up to their own community. If 63% of your citizens, Jewish Americans are against the Netanyahu government, why is almost every single Jewish American leader in favor of the Netanyahu government? By definition, you're betraying about two-thirds of your constituency. We have, of course, the ongoing Iran war, which many people believe President Trump took America into because he bought in to a sales pitch from Benjamin Netanyahu and the head of Mossad that if they took out the itinerary and his top people, then there would be a collapse of the regime that people would rise up and this could all happen very quickly. That clearly has not happened. I think President Trump is desperately out of this war, we're seeing now an escalation in the region with the Houthis attacking Saudi interests and now the Saudis having real problems getting their oil out, may even be going to all right, red this morning, that capability may just end completely next week and that's 4% of the world's oil market just stopped. So there are serious repercussions going on here and there's no sign of this ending. Certainly, no sign of Iran and its regime collapsing and no sign of the enriched uranium they have being handed over, no sign of any undertaking to stop any desire to have a nuclear weapon that continue to attack Gulf states when they feel like it, which is called the enormous issues there. The whole thing is a gigantic mess and yet Benjamin Netanyahu, this is a 40-year project for him that's come to fruition. I imagine he will take as long as he wants to try and get what he wants, which is to bring down this regime and his interests therefore do not align with American interests or the wider global interests in this. Yeah, so let's break down the different perspectives. So from an American perspective, we were told that this war was about preventing Iran from having a nuclear weapon. Now that's inconvenient because it's an obvious lie, why is it an obvious lie? Our intelligence community already told us before the war that they do not have a nuclear weapons program at all, Tulsi Gabbard said that in Congress, it's on tape, there's no question about it. Then number two, we attacked him anyway in the first war against Iran, the 12-day war, and then Trump said definitively, we all heard it with our own eyes, I mean, we heard it with our own eyes. We heard it with our own ears, it's all with our own eyes. He said, yeah, we've completely destroyed their nuclear weapons program. Their facilities are completely gone. So why are we in this war? We have no interest at all, and then there was this absurd talk about, we have to destroy all of Iran's ballistic missiles and drones. Then we're never going to leave, that's an impossible task. And why do we have to destroy every drone in Iran? That doesn't make any sense at all. They said, oh, we have to make sure that Iran doesn't have certain proxies. So we have to be in charge of Iran's foreign policy. Now, this has nothing to do with America, literally absolutely nothing to do with America, and it is empirical, it has been proven over and over again by our own government. When you look at the Israeli perspective on the other hand, this war is awesome if you're for the greater Israel project, not if you're a normal Israeli citizen. So the greater Israel project means taking more and more land. And what have they done? They've solidified that they have 70% of Gaza, they're ripping the West Bank to shreds right now, and they took southern Lebanon. By the way, they're also occupying southern Syria. But southern Lebanon now is a part of the reason that Israel wanted this war. While we're distracted in Iran, they've taken more land. So that's one win for them. Number two, they want to destroy all of their regional competitors. So once they wipe out Iran, either through regime change or through civil war, and they have stated this on the record, then they feel like Netanyahu gave a speech about after the war started saying, we are going to be the only regional superpower. And we might even become a global superpower, he said. And then the last piece for the Israelis that's so great about this war for the radical Zionist is, it also destroys the Gulf countries. So the UAE and Saudi Arabia have made a terrible mistake by making an alliance with Israel. De facto, some of it is on the record, some of it is de facto. They thought, well, if we're good with the Israelis and the Americans, we'll get protected. That's funny. So once the war started, Israel said to America, you work for us. You will protect us and only us. So our bases in the region were exposed, and that's why 18 Americans have died. And that's why hundreds of Americans have been injured. So Jordan got hit. All the Gulf countries got hit. And Saudi Arabia waking them up to that as we speak, going, oh, so it turns out America's not going to protect me. They're only going to protect Israel. And Israel is going, hey, we have the Goliath, I'm sorry, the Leviathan gas field. We're going to take the gas field off the Lebanese waters. We're going to build a pipeline to Europe. So you're going to need us, and the fact that the rest of the oil and gas producing countries are destroyed in this war, Netanyahu thinks is a great boon to Israel. So Israel loves this war. We hate this war. The Gulf countries hate this war. The world hates this war. So we're in this gigantic mess of a war to make the radical Zionist government of Israel happy. That's why there's protests all across the world. This is insane that the whole world is being brought to their knees by this two-bit country that is clearly fascist, clearly rogue, and out of control. What do you say to people who have been watching this? And double it. Many people will be agreeing with you. There will be many people going, oh, Cheneyuga, again, everything's Israel's fault. It blames Israel for everything. And yet the reality of the region and the situation is Israel for decades now, has been repeatedly attacked by Hezbollah, the Houthis, Hamas, the Iranian terror tentacles spread out all over the region in a concerted effort to take out Israel, to take down Israel, and brazenly admit they want to get rid of Israel. And they say, look, we're facing an existential threat. So yeah, we are a small geographic country, but we're a powerful democracy in a region with no other democracies, and we're facing a constant threat from people attacking us. And we have to defend ourselves. And October the 7th was a manifestation of all of this on a grotesque, gargantuan scale that required a gargantuan response. Yeah, so this is the classic Israeli defense, which is the, goes back to the old gold of my airline, where they said, she said, we'll never forgive the Palestinians for making us kill their kids. Now, nobody's making you kill anyone. And so this idea that, oh, we're doing self-defense. Well, why are you doing self-defense? Why is it? Because they have a theory. Their theory is. Everyone in the world is anti-Semites, but particularly the Arabs, the Muslims, the Palestinians. They're vicious anti-Semites. And if they ever got freedom, they would murder us all. They would murder us just because they irrationally hate Jewish people, right? Now, I have a different theory and the rest of the world agrees with me and you could be the polling backs that up. So the other theory is maybe they're attacking you because you're occupying them. Is that complicated? Do I have to speak slower? You understand that you're keeping 5.5 million Palestinians as your prisoners. Now, the Gaza is only the size of Las Vegas. Now, they're stuffed over 2 million people into 30% of Las Vegas. So that's an open air concentration camp. And you're puzzled as to why people are bothered by you, or might want to fight back against that. And now you're ripping the West Bank to shreds. You've done 75 October 7th. And no, Lebanon didn't start that war. Israel started the war against Lebanon. Iran didn't start the war. Israel started the war against Iran. So they live in an imaginary world where they're angels and they have a right. God told them they have a right to kill those people and take their land. And they're so puzzled that the people would then fight back. And then they go, well, that's terrorism. You can't do Hamas, what Hamas and Hezbollah do. OK, as you know appears, I've said this a million times on your show. No problem, that's terrorism. Then what are the Israelis doing? They are doing supernova terrorism. They are the largest terrorist group in the world. And I'm just taking their definition. Do you kill civilians on purpose? Hamas's civilian kill ratio is 67%. Indicating. Well, if two-thirds of the people you kill are civilians, you're doing it on purpose. And they say that's intent. Fair. Israel's civilian kill ratio is 83%. It is the largest of any terrorist organization in the world. It clear intent and 75 times the number of civilians killed. So if you do a massive terrorist strike against the Palestinians over and over and over again, what do you think they're going to do? And the Israelis say, no, we have an infinite right to self-defense, which includes killing your kids and taking your homes, all of your property, your olive farms, and your land. You have no right to self-defense. You're dirty, lower, inferior Muslims. And you should know that we're going to rule you forever. And that is not an exaggeration. They voted to never free the Palestinians. Let that sink in. The Israelis say that they should be their-- Palestinians should be their permanent slaves. And they should be occupied forever. They should be driven from the land. And then they go, why? Can't figure out why people don't like us. Are you kidding me? And I'm telling you, if you support Israel out there, wakey, wakey. Like break this spell that the radicalsionists have put on you. The number one target of the radicalsionist is not the rest of us. I mean, look, it's Jews. I would say they're saying to other Jews, hey, you know what? It doesn't matter if you get hurt. It doesn't matter if you're blamed. You have to be progenocide. And I'm going to tell everyone, you love genocide. Well, don't stop saying that. They didn't agree to that. You're lying. And for the rest of Jews across the world, please rise up, because they're making you look terrible. And I know I've got Jewish family. And I lived in a Jewish town growing up. It's about 40%, 50% Jewish. So I know that Judaism has terrific parts. Question the rabbi, question authority. Jews are a huge part of the civil rights movement in this country. They did so much good. I know the goodness in their heart. And I've already seen it in so many on our side already. And thank you for raising your children right, because they grew up with good morals. That's why they're supporting the Palestinians. A lot of the Jewish kids in America aren't across the world. But we need more Jewish Americans to stand up to the radical Zionists, because they're making you look horrific. And I know that's not who you are. But you've got to stand up. And peers, you remember after 9/11, every Muslim was made to apologize, even though they had nothing to do with it. So I'm now asking the Jewish community not out of hatred, but out of love and out of respect. I'm telling you, for God's sake, you've got to rise up against these guys who are smearing you. I know that's not how you are. I know that's not what's in your heart. But you've now got to show that to the rest of the world, because the radical Zionists are insisting that you all think the same thing that they think, which I know isn't true. Chang Yuga, always good to catch up with you, particularly in person here in New York. Thank you very much. Thank you, peers, appreciate it. Last week, the UK sparked international controversy by sanctioning Israel over what it called ethnic cleansing and terrorism by settlers in the Occupy West Bank. One of the most ferocious critics of that decision was Mike Huckabee, the U.S. ambassador to Israel. With twice accused of Jewish foreign secretary Ed Miliband of Jew hate, the ambassador, however, had used the word "terrorist" himself to describe some of the settlers only a few days earlier. And he joins me now. Mike, I can be welcome back to Uncensored. Always a pleasure, peers. Thanks for having me back. So look, I want to play a clip. This is where you first used the word "terrorist terrorism" to describe the actions of some of the settlers on the West Bank. Remind ourselves of what you said. We heard about the challenges that they face, living in their own homes, on their own property, some of the intimidation that is being carried out by people that I have characterized as being terrorist. I know that's an uncomfortable word for some people. There are limitations in what a U.S. embassy can do in another country. We cannot investigate. We don't have that power or authority. We cannot adjudicate. But we can influence. And we can call attention. And I thought this was a very significant moment in this whole debate. Because ever since October the 7th, I've categorized what Hamas did that day as absolute terrorism, one of the worst terror attacks of modern times. And the refrain that's come back repeatedly from people on the pro-Palestinian side has been, well, what about the actions of the Israelis? You know, they've been terrorists, too. And I have rejected that characterization for a long time. But here, somebody like you, Ambas Darka-Beat, who is a known friend of Israel, huge supporter of Israel, always has been for you to use that phrase and to double down on that phrase. About the behavior of some of these settlers on the West Bank, I thought was highly significant. How big a moment was it for you to use that word? And what kind of blowback have you had from people on the Israeli side? Well, Pierce, it really wasn't a big moment of conscience. It was a simple matter of observation. I want to be very clear. I don't think the people who are doing most of this are even settlers. Most of these people don't even live in Judea and Samaria. Many of them live outside. And they certainly don't represent the half-million Israelis who do live in Judea and Samaria. It's one of the reasons that is so very, very frustrating to see the term extremist settler violence. I call them not the settlers, but the unsettlers. Now, are there some who live in Judea and Samaria who do these acts? Yes. But the total number that may be involved in these actions probably are in the low hundreds out of half a million who actually live there. Very responsible people who have no intention of doing things like stealing someone's livestock or burning a car or squatting in someone's home who may be Palestinian. The reason I use the term terrorist is because, by definition, terror is when you try to change the behavior of someone by inflicting fear on how they live and what they do. Well, when you go to someone's home and you make it where they don't feel comfortable living there, when you burn their car, are you do something that causes the children who live there to be afraid? Here's, I don't know what else to call it. So I want to be fair, I want to be objective, and I want to be equal in my description. If a Palestinian stabs in Israeli, that's terrorism. But if there isn't Israeli who torches a mosque, I call that terrorism. I don't know what else to call it. Yeah, I mean, I completely agree with you. And I applaud you for saying it. But I've seen a big reaction online to this. A lot of people on the Israeli side agree that you use that word. They don't ever want to describe any of their actions as terrorism. But I think there's an intellectual honesty to doing that in the context in which you've just expressed yourself on this. But you've also indicated a certain powerlessness as a US ambassador to Israel. You can say it's terrorism, but you don't really have any power to enforce any lawful response to this. So what is the next move here? Are you getting any indication from the Netanyahu government that they're actually going to take action against the people you branded terrorists? Absolutely. They already have. They have, first of all, made it very clear that they plan to arrest and adjudicate people who are caught doing these things. They've donated about 130 million shuckles to change the way that they deal with the issues of violence that go on in Judea and Samaria. Again, I think a lot of this is being done by what we would call settlers. Again, I call them unsettlers. These are people who are thugs who are doing evil things, criminal things. And I don't want them to besmirch the reputation of the overwhelmingly 99 plus 9% of the people who live in Judea and Samaria, who are absolutely law-abiding people, and who live by the Torah. If you live by the Torah, appears you don't steel. Yeah. don't kill and you don't covet. So you can't say, I'm keeping God's law, but I'm doing things that are totally against it. So I just say, look, if you're going to do these things, don't pretend that you're doing it to help the cause of Israel because it isn't. There have been so many Palestinian attacks on Israelis. Many of them don't get reported very much, but that's where a lot of it is. I call that out, but I'm going to do the same if an Israeli attacks a Palestinian, especially in their own homes and their own neighborhoods. And I feel like that to do anything less than that would be not only to be dishonest, but it would also be unfair to the whole situation. We need to expect law in order for everybody. You mentioned what can we do? There has been universal condemnation for some of these criminal acts. It's come from the prime minister. It's come from the president. It's come from the foreign minister. It's come from people who are the leaders and the IDF and the Israeli national police. So I don't know too many people who are officials who have applauded this and said, oh, this is fine. We're not going to we're not going to really be concerned about it. And what I have said is that this is not something that Israel needs right now because it but smurches the reputation of the whole country. And that's really unfair. Now, what was happening simultaneously to this was that my government in Britain announced that they were going to apply sanctions targeting trade with Israeli settlements in the West Bank. And they were joined by a number of other countries. And you reacted very angrily to this. You described it as being Jew hatred. Despite the fact that the British Foreign Secretary Ed Miliband, who made the announcement, is himself Jewish. You know, with hindsight, calling a Jewish Foreign Secretary of Britain a Jew Hater because he's applying sanctions to a group of people who, by your own admission, include people committing acts of terrorism, seems a little perverse. Well, I don't think so at all and I'll tell you why. It's not what a person says he or she is. It's what a person does. Here's the problem with the sanctions that are being applied. You know, who it's going to really hurt? It's going to hurt Palestinian workers more than it's going to hurt Israelis. I don't think it was thought out. So you have all these countries who are going to impose sanctions on people who are living in Judea, Samaria. Again, most of whom are absolutely law-abiding people. They've done nothing wrong. They live their lives very responsibly and admirably. But if you go in sanction anyone who does business there, I'll tell you who gets the jobs lost first. It'll be Palestinians. Back in 2015, there was a company you may be familiar with it called Soda Stream. It's where you can make your own soft drinks at home. They had a plant. I toured it back in 2015 and they employed 1,100 people, 700 of whom were Palestinian, 400 who were Israeli. They worked side by side. They got the same pay. For the Palestinians, it was four times the paycheck that they had ever received in their lives, plus full healthcare benefits, full education benefits for their children, a month of paid vacation and on and on. But the BDS movement basically what's going on now came in and began to yell and scream and say this is terrible. There shouldn't be this business operating in Judea and Samaria. Well, finally, Soda Stream couldn't continue to operate there. So they shut the plant down, moved it down into Israel, into the Nagev, and 700 Palestinians lost their jobs with all the benefits and all the incredible salaries they were getting. So who really got punished in that? It wasn't the Israelis. It was the Palestinians. This is the law of unintended consequences. And even many of the governments who are saying they're going to impose these sanctions, they can't tell you exactly what is going to happen, how they're going to be administered. But already we've seen Israel saying, okay, if you're going to do this, then you have to remove your diplomats and the consulate is going to be closed. That's going to make it far more difficult for Palestinian people living in areas A or B under the Palestinian authority to get visas, to get passports. So I you wonder, who is going to win and who's going to lose by these actions? But if your point of principle is that by taking sanctions against Israeli settlements, the British government were collectively punishing a lot of innocent Palestinians, what is the difference between that and what the Israeli government has done in Gaza? Well, they flattened 70% of Gaza displaced well over a million Palestinians, probably a lot more, where of the 80,000 people who've died in Gaza since October the 7th, at least 50,000 or so are believed to be civilians and not Hamas terrorists. And they include 20,000 children. You talk about unintended consequence is the punishment to Palestinians because of a trade sanction. But what about the unintended consequences to 50,000 innocent Palestinians, including 20,000 children, by the way that the Israeli government has prosecuted the war in Gaza, isn't it the same principle? Not at all. And I'll tell you, first of all, the numbers are coming from Hamas. Many of those numbers are wildly out of control. Not only are they misreporting the total numbers, but what they often consider to be civilians are actually Hamas fighters. Many of the people who were posing as press people were known members of Hamas. The numbers themselves were reported by the Gaza Health Ministry, which is Hamas. So if you really believe that Hamas is giving you honest numbers, you might come to that conclusion. But here's the other thing to keep in mind. Well, Israel has accepted the health ministries numbers. And in fact, historically, that same health ministries numbers have been accepted as broadly accurate by Israel. So it's not just a question of Hamas and their health ministry putting out any numbers they feel like. These have been broadly accepted by Israel. And my question to people who question those numbers was, well, if you don't think they're accurate, what are the accurate numbers? In other words, how many of the people who've been killed in Gaza are Hamas? How many are civilian? And how many have been children? And if you can't give me those numbers, and nobody, by the way, who's questioned the Hamas or the Gaza Health Ministry numbers can, then how do we know? I think what we are happening to look at is I'm not saying the total numbers aren't there. But how many of those people were combatants? How many of them were Hamas sympathizers and people who were working with Hamas? Here's what I also can tell you. These charges about genocide, totally off base. Here's why. The population of Gaza has actually grown by 4% every year since October the seventh. In addition to that, Israel has poured six to 700 trucks per day of humanitarian assistance in Gaza. If you're trying to kill everybody, you don't put food and medical supplies in. And they also have given a million vaccinations against polio. So if the goal is genocide, and yet you're actually trying to help the quality of life for the civilians, then that's by anybody's definition, not genocide. Also, Hamas. Okay, but if you don't mind me saying, if you don't mind me saying, I think this would not have just happened. I understand. Yeah, understand. But I would say that you're, if you don't mind me suggesting this, I think you are deflecting from what my question was. I'm not saying it's a genocide. I've never said it's a genocide. I think there's a form of ethnic cleansing going on there, and that is based around the, on the record comments of people like the Defence Minister Israel Katz, who announced a creation of a dedicated directorate within the Ministry of Defence, tasked with managing the voluntary departure of Gaza residents. He said there's no solution for Gaza in the end without this migration. The Security Minister Ben Givir unveiled a structured seven-year initiative called Disengagement 710. The plan explicitly aims to relocate nearly the entire population of Gaza, nearly two million Palestinians abroad, targeting 250,000 in the first year. The Finance Minister Smodrich has similarly championed the reoccupation of Gaza and suggested policies aimed at thinning the population by half within two years. So, you know, people can quibble about whether this is an actual genocide, and I have not said that it is. But I do believe there is a form of ethnic cleansing there, and that the goal of this Israeli government, driven by very far right ministers, including Ben Givir and Smodrich, is to get rid of the Palestinians from Gaza, and from the West Bank. That is their big overarching worldview of the region. And so, you know, to the charge of ethnic cleansing, how can you dispute that when we know what they're saying from their own mouths? Well, I would say it's not accurate because ethnic cleansing would mean that you were specifically trying to dislocate the displaced people. I've heard from the Prime Minister's own groups. I've also heard from President Trump. Both of them have said it is not the goal to involuntarily displace anyone. What they have said, both President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu is that if people want to leave Gaza because they don't see a good future, at least in the immediate foreseeable moment, if they don't see a future and they would like to leave, they shouldn't be imprisoned in Gaza and forced to stay and be under the fear of Hamas. They ought to be able to leave, but it ought to be their decision, not the decision of the Israeli government, not the decision of the United States, not the decision of the board of peace. I know of no one in a position of authority who is suggesting privately or publicly that there should be forced displacement of the population of Gaza. So if you start to see evidence that that is indeed what's happening, would America intervene and stop it? Well, I think America would be strongly an objection to that, but we don't have to be because there's no plan by Israel to force people out of Gaza. You know who did get forced out of Gaza? The Israelis did. The Jewish people did back in 2005 when Israel gave Gaza completely to the Palestinians and they forcibly moved and they forcibly moved them by the IDF. All of the Jews who were living in Gaza, there were over 10,000 of them. They were taken at gunpoint by their own army out of Gaza in order to fulfill this deal to say, "Okay, you can have all of Gaza." They got it all and then they turned around in a year and a half later elected Hamas to run the place and the rest is history and it's not a very good history. There was a bombshell report in Herets in the last few days that said that Benjamin Netanyahu was explicitly warned by the Prime Minister of the UAE that there was going to be a massive attack by Hamas against Israel and that was 10 days before October the 7th and the report said that Netanyahu did nothing about that warning. He's denied it and said he's going to sue Herets. We'll see if that happens. He often uses the threat of suing as a tactic to deflect attention. So we'll see, but this has now been confirmed by people from the Prime Ministers of Israel, like Erud Omar, and others who say from their own sources they've heard that this conversation did happen and we've heard from sources close to the UAE. Prime Minister's office that the conversation happened. And in the context of that, if this is true, it would be an unbelievable abrogation of a prime ministerial duty, wouldn't it, to have received a warning of a catastrophic attack of that nature and to do nothing about it? Well, it's interesting that that report from the newspaper in Israel, which is, by the way, very left of center. They cannot stand the current government. They reported this, but with anonymous sources, which I always find to be very problematic when someone says some high-level government official. Here's what I know. The UAE has officially said this did not happen. They have said it on the record. Ron Durmer, who is as close to the Prime Minister during this period of time as anyone, closer than anyone, has said it absolutely did not happen. You have a number of named people who were in the know, who said this did not take place. And so when both the Israelis and the UAE say it's not true, it's fiction. I'm going to go with the people who put their name on the report, rather than some anonymous figure right before an election, to somehow try to shift the election. I just find that so disgusting. Look, I don't care for people who go off the record and on deep background, because to me, they're cowards. I think people ought to be on the record. I never do off the record interviews. I don't do deep background. For the simple reason, if I say it, I own it. And if it's wrong, then I own it. It's my fault. I don't want to be hiding some, you know, keyboard coward sitting there typing out something and sending it off anonymously and having somebody believe it, but they have no idea who the source is. I just find that revolting. So you would have not like watergate then the scandal, because it came from an anonymous source called Deep Throw. You would have not wanted that scandal to break? I would rather for somebody to have the guts to say, I know something the world needs to know. And here's what I know. I'm the one saying it, and you can check me out as to the facts of it. Look, I know people sometimes are whistleblowers. I get that. This isn't whistleblowers. These are horn blowers. These are people who just want to get something stirred up, but they don't want to be accountable for what they say. Here's one thing. Look, I respect that. I don't have interest in whatever he's, I respect. I don't have interest in you say, and you put your name on it. I appreciate that. Okay. I think some of the biggest stories in journalism history have come from anonymous sources, albeit a reporter or more may know who it is, but they remain anonymous for very good reasons. But notwithstanding that, I've seen no official denial of that call happening from UAE. Where have you seen that? I've seen it by the UAE's reports and by their releases. They said it simply didn't happen. There's been no official statement from the UAE Prime Minister's office. Well, these railies have, and they deny a lot of things which later turn out to be true. But the UAE, just for the record, has not officially denied that story. There's been no statement of denial from the Prime Minister's office. There's been no official denial whatsoever. They simply said, we don't comment on stories like this. That's not a denial. No, the Prime Minister's office has absolutely said it did not happen that that call never took place. No, on the record. I can't give you the name of the person. Well, no, no. Not even they have. No, on the record. You can check me on that. And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But nobody from the UAE, by name, has certainly affirmed it. And what I have heard is from the UAE, is that it simply did not take place as it was reported. Okay. Well, we will see what the UAE's do end up saying on the record. They said nothing yet. I think maybe they ought to. The fact that they haven't may be quite telling in itself. When you look at the overall situation, where we are in the Middle East right now, the Iran war seemed to me from its conception to be extremely ill-conceived. I feel that even more strongly now, it was never going to be over in two to three weeks. The game plan laid out by Benjamin Netanyahu to President Trump was never going to happen. This idea, you just take out the italer and a few top people and then the whole regime collapses and the people rise up and take over. That was all just for the birds. I don't think President Trump takes decisions like that because someone bullies him into doing it. But I do think he believes the sequence of events which Netanyahu laid out for him with the head of Mossad. And they simply have not materialized. And America now finds itself in a really difficult position. And Donald Trump finds himself in a very difficult position politically as do the Republicans because the mid-term elections are coming up fast. Gas prices are obviously extremely high. And he's got engaged in one of these apparently at the moment, never-ending wars in the Middle East, of the very kind he's specifically campaigned. He wasn't going to do. How damaging potentially is all this for Donald Trump, for the Republican Party and for what's going to happen in the midterms, do you think? I think it has been a lot more damaging if President Trump had not taken the action that he did. Finally, a president who after 47 and a half years of Iran threatening death to America and getting closer and closer with the ability to deliver it, President Trump stood up and said, no, you're not going to have a nuclear weapon. He's continued to say that. They're not going to enrich uranium. They're not going to be able to close the strait of hormones. I think President Trump ought to be given an extraordinary sense of ovation, if not the Nobel Peace Prize, for actually saying we're not going to follow it. And as far as being talked into it, that's nonsense. And the reason I say it, I was in the room when the discussion happened. I heard the conversation. I heard the presentation. President Trump is not a person easily led into anything. He makes up his own mind. He made up his mind based on the genuine threat of the Iranians getting a nuclear weapon. He did not act because Israel talked him into it. He acted because he knew that America was at risk. If we continued to do what America has done for 47 and a half years, and that's basically nothing other than a few economic sanctions here and there. The president recognized you've got a week in this regime. He did that with the bombing. Now he's doing it by bankrupting them and making it very difficult for them. Other European nations, to their credit, are joining in on the economic pressure that Iran is facing. And the reality is, Iran is now a very weak country, weakened dramatically by both the military and economic action. And that is a much better place for the world to be in. If we can deal with the mothership, then you start dealing with Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis, which are all the proxy organizations. They killed Americans. They've made it difficult to have peace in the Middle East. If the president continues to do what he's doing, and ultimately Iran can't fund Hamas and Hezbollah and the Houthis, the world is going to be a better place in which to live. But you would accept, would you not, that as we sit here doing this interview, some six months, seven months after the start of this war, that as things stand, the Iranian regime the regime remains in firm control of its country. There's been no uprising by the people. The Ayatollah's son has taken over and is even more hard-lined than his father, which is unsurprising given he lost half his family on day one of the war. The IRGC clearly still have a firm grip on the country, and the straight-of-all moves remains in Iranian control, and they keep firing off rockets when they feel like it against neighbouring Gulf State, and they're rebuilding their ballistic missile capacity. When it comes to groups like the Houthis, what they're now doing against the Saudis, is obviously incredibly troubling. And if they take controls, it seems to be of this other straight that the Saudis use for a lot of their oil to come through, then we're going to be facing a massive crisis for Saudi Arabia and its economic business model, and that will permeate through the global energy market and indeed the economy generally around the world. So, much as I would like to buy into your overview that you stop them enriching Iranian, well, they've still got all their enriched Iranian. You say that we couldn't let them control the straight-of-all moves, but they do. The regime remains intact. The Ayatollah is replaced by his son, and you've got the Houthis now gaining real ground against the Saudis with this second straight. I'm struggling to see the rosy picture that you're painting. Well, first of all, they don't have full control of the straight-of-all moves. They make it difficult to get things through, but it makes it difficult for them to get their oil out of there. They're hurting financially because of that. So, I disagree with this idea that they control it. They don't. Nothing goes through there, that the U.S. doesn't allow. And I think it's very important to recognize that their weakened condition militarily, and they're incredibly devastated position economically, is not going to give them the ability to do the kind of things that they have been doing that really do threaten not just Israel, but the entire world. Hezbollah is in 12 Western hemisphere countries, largely financed by Iran. The more that pressure can be put on Iran, the weaker they are, then the weaker Hezbollah, the Houthis, and Hamas are going to be, and the stronger the rest of the world is going to be. So, I disagree, peers, respectfully, that somehow the Iranians are in a good position. They are not in a good position. And thanks to President Trump and his strong will, his strong pushback, and his willingness to do something that other presidents haven't had the courage to do, I'm seeing it from the front row here. And I would tell you that Iran is in a much worse position, a weak position, and it is much to the benefit of the world. In one year, Iran moved their capacity to deliver a ballistic missile from 2,000 kilometers to over 4,100 kilometers, which means they could launch from Tehran, and they could hit basically every major capital in Europe, including London, Paris, Barcelona. They could get to Brussels, throughout Berlin. Now, that's a significant threat that now faces not just the Middle East, but faces Europe as well, not allowing them to continue their development of a nuclear weapon, is one way that President Trump has helped to prevent what could be a very, very dangerous position for people all over the planet. - I'm not talking to me. I always appreciate you coming on on-sensit. 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