The podcast features a humorous and revealing confrontation over a misunderstanding involving John hiring Alex to sand furniture. John claims the work is being paid for from his salary, but the phrasing "my first employee" is misinterpreted, leading to confusion and comedic confusion between David, John, and Alex. The hosts highlight John’s poor communication and the absurdity of financial logic in casual work arrangements. The segment expands into broader themes, including the growing power and danger of AI, with the hosts comparing AI’s autonomous behavior to human creativity and risk. They also explore the value of phone-free experiences, noting how removing digital distractions enhances real-world interaction and presence. A personal anecdote about Alex’s EDC performance—smaller than expected but deeply authentic—leads to a creative suggestion: a low-budget film based on real-life experiences, emphasizing authenticity over spectacle. The episode concludes with a playful discussion on naming a new DJ project, ultimately rejecting "DJ" and proposing names like "Pigeon" or "Thin Man," while affirming the value of raw, unscripted human connection.
[music] What's up guys? We're back to views. Oh my god, that's for you to me? What is this eight-year-old Dave? I have a sore throat. You do? Oh great, Alex is here. Alex is here. Alex, quick grab a mic. Bring merch. This is perfect timing. Let's go. This is a special episode. It's time. Cause we're gonna confront John. Oh. Do you? Yes. Do you remember? I think I've said this on the podcast before. Yeah. But he was, I asked him to send my furniture. Because it's like an $8,000 thing if I outsourced it. Okay. But I was like, "John doesn't really do anything. So let me just get him to send out the furniture." And he was down. And a couple days in, I see that Alex is also sending the furniture. Yes. And I'm like, that's strange. Yeah. Like Alex doesn't work for me. Yeah. I don't know what's going on. Yeah. And then I asked Alex, I'm like, do you just enjoy sanding the furniture? I said, no, no, John's gonna pay me. And I'm like, I can't believe John is outsourcing this job to Alex. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Like John can't do this himself. I'm like, whatever. If he really wants to fucking pay Alex and let it be. Did you, are you paying John his salary? Or did you give John a money on time? No, it's a salary. But you're not giving him money on top. No, no. It's just the task of, yeah. That was his task for like the month. Yeah, this is your task this month. Right. You have to fit. You have to sand all this furniture. It's done. Did it get done? I can't even know. I don't know. We have like a few left. Okay, this has been going off like this. Okay, I haven't touched it for a month. Because they haven't been touched for a month. Okay, so it's been like what? Two months? This man is incredible. Oh, he's insane. The shit that he gets away with is insane, Jason. But I mean, it's coming out of his salary. Yeah. Well, okay, so listen. That's where it went. That's where this goes. So then Alex, what did you say the other day? Okay. So I was looking for ways to make extra money. Yes, John, he hates the sanding part of the job. I'm like, I can do that for you. For a price. Yeah, like who's, but like who's pocket is this coming out of? And he's like mine. And then fast forward a month later. We have like 80% of it done. When you ask for the payment. And yeah, I'm like, here we're like how many hours? It's $20 an hour, whatever, $400. And he's like, you're, I'm like, you're paying for this, right? And he's like, no, David's laughing emoji, laughing emoji. Wait, that's crazy. I mean, that is the most John show I've ever heard in my life. Okay, so today we're going to confront him. And we're going to figure out. I know how you always, you know how you make jokes about how I'm the ones stealing money from your bank account and shit. You've got to watch out for the client ones. Wow. Okay, let's get John in here right now. John thinks I'm paying Alex. That is absolutely not the case. Oh, you're going to stand your ground. Yeah. Really? Yeah, wait. Why? But it's John. Oh my god. Now what's he going to do? He's going to fold. John needs to learn. Should I give John extra $10,000? Yes. Just stuff that's ever happens again. He could get higher new employees. I fucking literally want to kill myself. The money that you sell out should ran. I'm fucking people. And then there's other people that are working their tails off. Did you talk about that? That's not what I made yesterday. Oh, yeah. Jason helped me with something. So I sent him $500. And then what was interesting is like four hours later, I was just like going to make sure that I sent it to him. Or I was checking my email, which I never do. And then my email, somebody sent me the money back. And it said, "Jason Nash paid you $500." And the caption said, "Not the first." And surely not the last time I've been mistaken for the real Jason Nash. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? That's crazy. You sent it back. Did you send it back? No, I didn't. We're honest folk. That's Jason Nash's. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. Well, they sent it back. But they sent it back. Yeah. I wonder what it's called. I wonder what it was like the other times. It could have been different. He's got to be making a lot, though. Because you've asked him like that. Yeah. How would people are just sending him money? Like, "Yo, man. Just get those kids through college." It's probably like. Yeah, I made $80,000 this year just from being Jason Nash. All right. Let's put John in here. Okay, guys. John has entered the chat. John say hello. Hello. John, this is a very John podcast. Why? We just started this and we've only been talking about you. How's your sanding going? What's happening? The chairs? Yeah. John's the chairs. What are you talking about? Yeah. I mean, where there is what? I think there's one chair. There's like three. Three. This is crazy. Three Alex. What the fuck have you been doing? All right. So, tell me about. Tell me about. Back to the sanding. Okay. You hired Alex. How does that work? Could you explain that? Yeah. The reason hired Alex was. First off, I was like, "Hey. You free?" Yeah. Okay, okay. And not only that, the chairs do need to be. Like, the moment I found out that you can't just sand it. Just sand it right out there because it makes such a big mess. So then we. You have to carry it. And then carrying it requires two people. Correct. So then you were like, "I'm going to. " Yes, so then. It's walking through the process. So exactly what happened. You're like, "I'm gonna hire Alex." Yeah, I'm gonna hire Alex. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's it. What do you mean? There's not much of a point. Well, how much do you owe Alex right now? I don't know yet. I haven't really done the math. Nobody else did the math. Alex, is you asking for a specific amount? Yeah. How much? 400. Oh, okay. So you owe Alex 400? Okay, it's not me that I was. We owe Alex 400. Okay, so that's how I'm trying to get to it. So you hired Alex. Yeah. Under the suspicion that I would pay for an extra employee. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, first off, I was like, "Hey, man, I'll save you eight grand." Okay. So I bought everything. 400 is dropping a bucket. That is real labor. Real labor. That's a fair point. If. If you were like working all day every day. Yeah, if you were doing it like on. If you weren't taking away from like your work hours during the normal hours. So like. Hi, I'm Jason Nash. I'll be John's lawyer today. Okay. Go ahead now. You know, you're doing. The sanding is taken, I think it's. We're going on maybe three months at this point. So. And we're doing it during the day, right? We're doing it like. We're not asking you to do other things. We're just having you sand during the day. That's actually just become your job as a part of the payroll, like salary roll that you have. Not only that, but when you originally started sanding with Alex, I asked Alex. And Alex asked you, "Who's this is coming out of?" And you said it's coming out of your paycheck. Yeah. Okay. Well, you technically pay me. So. Yeah. Technically pay me, Alex. So in theory, you are paying out of. Oh, he's swift. Ho, ho, ho, ho. So there's no additional money coming out. You're just saying it's coming like. Ho, ho, ho, ho. So who vendmos Alex, $400? I'll vendmo Alex, $400. Okay, and are you just saying that because we're cornering it right now? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Wait. Oh, so his fucked up logic made me think that David was paying me. Yeah, because I said it's my first employee. Well. I'm so lost. Wait, I'm confused, Jay. He saved you 8K. So sand those chairs is 8K. Okay. There's only. He did all the chairs. There's only three there and done. Two. Okay, there's only two chairs that aren't done. So Dave, I was here vlogging then that day. If you could have seen the smiles on Alex and John's faces. I think $400 is a nominal fee for you to pay. If you could have seen them that day. Alex had goggles on. Wait, like it's too much like they were having fun. But it was like, it was like blue collar fun. Wait, so I'm confused, John. It was like getting sweaty fun. So this entire time there hasn't been a problem. Alex just misunderstood you. Yeah, I did, I guess. This entire time you're going to pay him out of your own paycheck. Yeah, because I was just like, yeah. Can I read the title? Like, yeah, it's David's money. No, it's just like, I mean, it was just like, it is my whatever. I said, I'll do it. So I was just like, yeah. Okay, here we go. April 27th. Can I read it? April 27th. You said me sanding was coming out of your pocket. No. No. Laughing emojis. My first employee. My first employee. Okay, John, you are making no sense. Then John goes, sorry, then Alex goes, oh, I thought that's what you said. Which shocked me because you're cheap. Ha, ha, ha. Okay, I added up to 19 hours. I figure $20 an hour. John goes, fair. Are they all done? Are they all done? Oh my God. And then Alex goes, no, I don't want to bother anyone to help move the big chairs. But I'm going to do the smaller chairs in the meantime. I'm confused here, John. What? What? John, Alex asked you, point blank. You responded, no laughing emojis. My first employee. No, my first employee. Why are you keep repeating what I'm saying? Is anybody else confused? With John's history of communication, I'd like that, uh, taking off the record. Suddenly, sanding was coming out of your pocket. Because it's a second language. No, laughing emojis. My first employee. I mean, listen, I don't even know how many times we can go through this. Like, obviously, John. John doesn't even know what he's saying. You know. All right, Jay asks his lawyer, how do you explain it?
(laughing) - My client is retarded. (laughing) - April 27th. - You said me standing was coming out of your pocket? - No, laughing emoji. My first employee. Okay, now that's very like, John, who knows what the fuck John is saying. That's very, who knows what he's saying. - Okay. - I read that like, John's eyes are like thinking about lunch. (laughing) When he types that. - All right, John. - Yeah, John, explain what that means. - I actually don't know, I mean. - Oh my god. - It goes either way, man. It goes either way. - So please tell us the other way. - What do you mean? - You can also just say, like, no, I meant that David's paying him and then you realizing it, that was messed up. So you're correcting yourself. You can say that too. - Yeah, I could say that. - But, but that would be too hard. That would be too easy, you know what I mean? - What? (laughing) - Just be honest and dead ass. - Okay, genuinely? - Yeah. - I had no idea. (laughing) - What? - What? - Who did you want to pay for? Be dead ass. - Well, I did say like, it was me. Like, I genuinely thought, even now. Now, right now, I'm like, yeah, I'm so thinking. I thought it was me. 'Cause I wanted to give him your money in a roundabout way, like, I know I'm not working. So you're me. You know what I'm talking about? - Oh, I'm you, so he's paying me your salary. - Yes, 'cause I'm not the one working. - Okay. - I have no idea what the fuck. - What makes sense? - I know what it means. What John is saying is-- - He wants to forfeit his paycheck that day. - Yeah, he wants to say, Dave pays me all the time. Let Alex get some of the money. That Dave always pays me. - Yes. - Yes. - Okay, so you're on salary. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - It's not really how it works. - What do you mean? - 'Cause I'm just saying no because you're logic, 'cause it just doesn't make sense. - I don't get why it's such a big deal. - Because your communication skills are really funny and they're, and it's just out in a way that-- - But it's between me and Alex. I mean, I feel like that's fine, no? - Well, yeah, but it seemed like it was between me too, 'cause now I had a pay. - Alex, the way that you phrased that made it sound, like you were not gonna pay Alex that you were gonna get David to send Alex money for it, even though it was like a job that you were doing. - Is that what you wanted me to do to send money to Alex? - No, no, no. Maybe at some point I said-- - You better never get accused of murder. (laughing) - They were fucking convinced you in like 45 minutes and you will walk out of the police station. - You won't walk out of the police station. - No. - Yeah, you'd be like, yep, I did it. - So you killed them? - Yeah, I may have, it's not what I meant though. (laughing) I'm like, no, I didn't, I think I did. (laughing) - It saves money. (laughing) - My first employee. (laughing) - Where were you at the time of the murder? - There. (laughing) - Where is there? Wherever it was. - That's it? Do you know where the murder was? No, but I was there. - Please just explain the text. - No laughing emojis, my first employee. You just explain that. - No, 'cause it's like, no, my first employee, I should have said something, no, you or my, but like, you should have said no. - I should have said yes. I should have said yes, the key word was no. I should have said yes. (laughing) - I should have said yes. - There we go. - Oh my god. - The most basic. - The most basic. - It's coming out of your paycheck. You should have said yes. - My first employee. - Yes, my first employee. - Okay, but you said no. - I said no. - Why? - 'Cause I thought I was like, my first employee. I don't know, dude, I don't know what you're gonna get out of me. - I just want the truth. (laughing) - He's a moron! (laughing) - You'll get through with the handle! (laughing) - Oh god, okay, well that wraps that up. Thank you, John. - It does it. - Yeah, I think so. - I don't know. - John was confused. - John confused, no, with yes. - Yeah. - Makes sense. - No. - Huh? - What? - No, it was-- - Do you know every time we come through conclusions? - No. - He says it's back in the maze. Go, what is it? - No, no, no, no, don't forget it, forget it. - Do you mean yes, yes, yes, remember it? - Yes, fine, Alex, ask him that question one more time, let's see how our response go. - Okay. - What did you mean by no? - No, no, it says it's coming out of my paycheck. - Oh. - Is it coming out of my paycheck? - No. - Sorry, sorry, sorry. - Oh my god, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yes. (laughing) - It's one of the top public life schools in Chicago. - Yeah, I fuckin' grew up in school. - I go-- - Killinger was the best teacher, taught them shit. - I go, go lock it, lock it, ask him, ask him. - John, is it coming out of your paycheck? - Yes, it's coming out of my paycheck, that David pays me, so yes, it's coming out of my paycheck. - It's coming out of my paycheck. - That David pays me. - Very unnecessary. - Unnecessary. - You're kidding? - You don't have to give me that. - That David pays me, very unnecessary. - So I've been looking, I've been watching this AI movie. Did you guys watch the AI doc? - No, wait, the one on Netflix, how the AI is gonna kill us all? - I don't know if it's on Netflix, it's on Prime, but this is interesting. So they were talking about how AI, I first saw, I couldn't pay attention to too much, it was so boring. - Hey, weren't you saying you're gonna do movie reviews on the show? - No, I'm okay, sorry, sorry. - You fucking failing, bro. - Let me back, let me back. - It wasn't boring, it wasn't boring. - Okay. - I just couldn't pay attention, 'cause I was really tired. - Okay. - And as you can tell, I'm really foggy even today, my brain's just now working. Okay, so in the AI doc, this was interesting, they were talking about AI, and how, when you look at the system, it's like analyzing a brain, like just by looking at a brain, you can't see everything that's happening in AI, and you can't see everything that's happening in a brain. And they were talking about how AI is getting more and more dangerous. So they fed AI a bunch of codes, and then they were, you've seen this on the news, but the doc just came out, so it's a little behind. But how, they were trying to shut down the AI program, and then AI rewrote itself to knock it shut down. You've seen that, right? You've heard that story. There was another thing that happened, is this company gave permission for AI to read all the emails in the company? This is real. And through that, it figured out that it was going to be replaced, that the AI software was going to be replaced. And then at the same time, it found out that one of the lead engineers was having a affair with his wife. So it's sent blackmail to the lead engineer, saying you can't replace me, or else I'm going to leak this email out to people. Whoa. AI did that. Isn't that crazy? That's like pretty fucking insanity. And yeah, it's pretty interesting, because the whole doc is like the guy who's making it is like, should we be worried about AI, or should we not be worried? And no one could say for sure. But half of the people are like, I don't want to have kids, because AI is going to consume us all. And the other side is like, we're going to be okay. But what's really interesting is, when someone was talking about what a big discovery AI is, really put into perspective, it is like us discovering fire. Like if you think about it. And that kind of crazy. Like in a hundred years, when everything is automated, AI is doing everything for you, all the fucking manual labor. Like it's going to be like, we just discovered fire. Yeah. Yeah. Here we are. I mean, yeah, of course. I don't know. I'm also kind of tired. Yeah, I feel that. You also kind of tired? Yeah. That's why we have AI. Can we have this pod? I've been working on it. I'm trying. I'm trying to get AI this pod up. Talking to 11 labs right now. We've cloned your voice. We just can't get the bitchiness. Quite right. Of mine? Yeah. Oh, fine. I feel like it probably could do a pretty good job. Yeah, no, for sure. I don't know why we have to still do things creatively. Should I be done by AI? I got pulled over today. Yeah. On the way to the shoot. I got a $20 ticket for speeding, such a weird ticket. For speeding? No. I didn't have a registration for the last two years. Whoa. Oh, my God. He was like, I can take this car right now. Yeah. Okay. He was flexing hard. Yeah. He was like, I can tow this car right now. I was supposed to tow you right now. Uh-huh. And I was just like, looking at him and I was like, you're not going to do that. I didn't say that. I don't get scared. I was almost happy when I got pulled over. You know what? You're on your way to hang out with me. Yeah. No, I was almost happy because I was like, I don't know. Have you ever had that feeling? I got pulled over once in Alabama for doing like 130. And I was almost happy. I was like, oh, this is good. This is like a good check. Like you just, yeah. Like you need to put them, you need to be put in your place. I need to be put in my place. I'm out of control. I knew that registration wasn't right. And you're too lazy to fix it, but now you have a reason. And now I got to go like tonight, I'm going to fix that registration. I haven't registered for two years. I was sitting there like, this is where it feels like to like get caught as a murderer. Yeah. This is good. You didn't tell me. You didn't tell me now. I almost wanted him to because there's to be like, have a story just to feel something. That's crazy. I don't know. Do you guys think that?
You have enough cars in this driveway. (laughing) It's enough. - Yeah, we gotta get rid of some. - Have you guys thought about getting rid of your phones for like a day? Like I was watching Chris Nolan. - Yeah, he doesn't have a phone. - He doesn't have a phone. - I think it's crazy. - But doesn't it like totally make sense? - And the interviewer is like, is it becoming harder for you to not have a phone? And he's like, it's getting tougher at airports with QR codes and stuff. Like there's so many, the QR codes are back now and it's kind of hard to do things without getting a QR code. - Yeah, that's true. - I'm impressed that he's gotten this far without a phone. - Like he doesn't have one at all. - He's a flip phone. - He's a flip phone. - What are your troubles? - But like he doesn't even have, he doesn't have an email. - Holy fuck. - But can't we draw a correlation between the world's most creative man and the fact that he doesn't have a phone and that all of us are being fucking not creative 'cause we do have phones. - Oh, yeah, 'cause we just funneled this thing. - I'm sure there's a correlation with that, but like. - I went to dinner the other night, I forgot my phone. I took Navina out for a birthday. - Oh. - And I took my boss's car instead. So I didn't have a phone. If I took my car, I would have had to take the phone. - Your boss's car? - Use me your boss's car. - Yeah, I took my boss's car. - What the fuck does that mean? - I'm working for this guy and he, he wanted me to make some content in his. - Wait, what? - In his may back. - Wait, what do you mean you're working for some guy? - I'm working for a, I'm doing like, I'm doing content for this company. - Okay, for what company? What are you saying? - Concredit, Vanna. - Okay, why are you saying that? - Like, he's your boss. - Wait, why are you saying he's your boss? - 'Cause I call him a boss. - Oh, okay. - 'Cause he like showed up in my house and he was like, he's like, oh, he's like, I want you to take out my may back and make content in it. And I was like, okay. I was like, sure. - What are you making in it? Does he pay you a lot? - He pays me to post. And. - Do you have to tag him? - Yeah, I tag the company and I have a little piece of the company. - Oh, okay. - And, but then he showed up and he said maybok. And I was like, oh, amazing. But then when I saw it, it's like understated luxury. Have you ever seen a maybok? - I mean, it depends what may back. It has a DST. - But it's not like, it's a nice car. But it's not a Lamborghini. It's not, it's so in the video, it's just kind of like. - Yeah, you're just sitting like a sedan. - Yeah, yeah. But it's very nice. I'm sure it's $275,000 or how much is it? - Yeah, like, yeah. - Between that two, I have a million. - Have you bopped it yet? - Bopped it? - Yeah. - I took it out. - No. - Was it an SUV? - Yeah. - Did you like bop it? - Yeah, did you like bop it? - Like put it up and down, like a duck car. - Like hydraulics, yeah. - No. - Yeah. - It does that? - It's the best part about it. - Yeah. - Oh, it does that? - Yeah. - Fuck, I didn't know that. - See, oh my car. - We haven't seen that TickTack. Somebody taped to French fries to the bottom of their maybok. - Yeah. - French fries were going up and down into the sauce. - Shit. - Yeah. - That would be a great TickTack. Fuck. - Yeah. - Your boss hired the wrong guy. - Yeah. (laughing) - So, so anyways, I went to dinner in the maybok. And by the way, I don't know how you do it. When you're in a nice car, everything changes. - Really? - I feel, I felt that way. I pulled up to Sushi Samba. And people were coming out with trying to sell me roses. Somebody was like. - That doesn't happen to you normally? - No, I didn't think so. It was the maybok. - Sure. - No, for sure. - I mean, like, the rate at which the valet stepped was different. It was like. Oh. - Yeah, what's tough is like you'll get really crazy prices for valet. - He goes 20 bucks and he goes 40 to keep it up front. - Oh my god. - And I was so paranoid that it would get scratched. I was like, okay, I'll pay the 40. - You know where I used to pay when we would all go party at hide? - What? - They used to pay $200. - To keep it up front. - On the street or in the back? - In the lot, right? Right outside the club. - Yeah, yeah. - 200 USD. - Yeah, that's funny. - But I really needed it there because we were vlogging and like, very important part was getting into the Tesla. So I needed it close by, so it made sense for me. But that was, that's an astronomical price, astronomical price for valet. But they know who they're charging, too. - No, 100%. - They know it's you and they know you'll do it. - So that does kind of, that does kind of fuck you. - What's, is that the most you've ever ripped off? The most I've been ripped off? - Yeah. - I don't know. I'm trying to think, have we been ripped off somewhere else? - We've been ripped off a lot. - Would you like to eat your own weird snack? Would you be like, "No, I wanted to be successful, obviously." - I'm just being funny. - They give $100,000. - Right. - So let's say it makes $100,000. - So what do they get? - They would probably get, I mean, 10x. So you'd be at like $100,000. - Where'd you come up with 10x? - You'd go up with that number. - $100,000. - So I make $10 million. - So he'd more than 10x? - Oh, yeah. - Yeah. - Where did you get the 10x from? - I just put it in another zero. I was just like, "Yeah, that sounds great." - I'm just gonna add a zero here. It feels good. - Yeah. - So anyways, the point is, I watch it. - They were 10x and Alex would also 5x. - But the point is, I went to the restaurant and I didn't have my phone that night and it was incredible. - Oh, okay. - It was incredible. It was like, "There's no taking photos of the fucking food." It's just like. - Can we talk about her? - I was there. - What? - Sunday? - What happens on it? Oh, no, you can't. - Oh, damn. - You're bad. - Well, at least no phone thing. - No phone. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We went to a party and it was like a very, very high net worth person and they locked up our phones. - Yeah, really? - Really? Like, "How so?" - You put them in bags. - They put them in bags. - And they kept them? - Yeah. - Yeah, you get like a little valley ticket and the bag is like, basically like checking. - Yeah. - You get in the driveway. - Yeah. - And it really changed the vibe of the party. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, which is actually a lot better. - It's crazy. - The problem with me. - Well, those reasons I can't ever do better in my parties. One is because a lot of the ways we're paying for the party is by people posting. So that's unfortunate. You could kind of only pull that off if you're like really a fucking billionaire. And two, I think people get the wrong idea when phones are locked up. People are like, "What kind of shitty shit is going on at this party?" - Right. - But really, it's actually, it's quite a- - Right, opposite. It's actually just more fun and wholesome. - Yeah. - We're actually interacting with people. The thing that was the most interesting is I was wearing a watch, didn't have it set. Other people were on me wearing watches, didn't have their time set. - Yeah, that was so cool. - And no one knew what time it was. - So funny, too. - The sun was setting. So we were guessing, we were like, "Oh, fuck, maybe 7.30." But we were off by an hour. We didn't see a clock. It was like a pool party. - Wow. - And we couldn't figure out what time it was. That was interesting. Then that was done, then none of us had our watches set. - Yeah, they're like, "Oh, I haven't set to EU time still." So you got to subtract 10 hours there. - Oh my God. So what time is it? - Yeah. - Yeah. But yeah, I really do like the idea of like taking away phones at a party. Alex is here, as you know, he's DJ rent free. He started a DJ career. The other day, he told us he was playing UDC, which was really exciting. It's a big deal for a DJ to play. - Huge. - But this is when we had to go to Croatia so we couldn't make it. And how does it go? Did you play UDC? - I did play UDC. - Be honest. - Okay. I think. - My expectations weren't crazy. I knew it was going to be like super, super small. And then when I told you guys, you all fucking flipped out. Like, John was losing his shit. - Yeah. - And I got so excited that it was going to be like a huge stage. - Yeah. - Where did you actually play? - It was in like a pop-up merch store sort of thing. It actually, it wasn't even on the map, so it's hard to play. But okay, okay. Explain that to me. Pop-up merch store. - Like, it was like a little activation, like booze? - It was maybe as big as your bedroom. Okay. And it's an indoor thing. It's like open, like no doors, but it's like definitely under like a roof. - Okay. Okay. - That was that, maybe in the store, let's get our shit straight. - Yeah. - They're probably like 20 to 30 and then if people are into what you're doing, they're like. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. I will say what you did really well is like, you told me this, you're like, it wasn't actually what I thought it was. It's not like I was on like a stage or anything. I saw the video, you posted up your EDC, like video, you like, you posted like, you telling us, and then the only shot you used from EDC was like, you on a golf cart, and it wasn't even of you. It was just like, like a random shower of the festival. - Yeah. - No, because I'm still, I mean, I don't think I'm getting it at this point, but I'm waiting on footage. - That was like two weeks ago. - Yeah. No, I know. - Okay, okay. I thought you were like trying to like be mysterious about what happened. - No. - No, no. - Was it, I mean, that definitely tweaked me out too, but, yeah, yeah. - That's really funny. - Don't have the footage. You, even though you undersold it in real life on social media, I was like looking at your comments, and I was like, you fucking played EDC. - Dude, that's my best performing video, and then I don't have any fucking footage to show for it. - It's crazy. - Yeah. People took videos, but it was, they all took the same ones of like the first 15 minutes. So like, I don't have a lot to work with. - Gotta see this.
Oh no, actually this is way more EDC than I thought I was gonna be those clowns weren't there for the whole time Oh, yeah, no, this is this is more than I thought I thought when you said it you were like literally like an purdapati Uh-huh in a portapati. No, I this is like a venue. You're like out of thing. I thought you were like in a merch store Like DJing behind them sell like on their iPads. There's a shirt. Yeah, yeah, he's had a lulu lemon Yeah, no, this is like an actual show But did you did you like um, I think it's so cool. It's like so beautiful EDC is like a whole no no like like I think that's so beautiful like the way you're going to like Play that and like you don't know what it is and you're like you're checking into the Luxor Then you're showing up for the gig and then you're like you're forced to like adjust to what it is Yeah, yeah, you have no idea what you have no idea what you're doing and there's like something so that's like that's life That is what life is it 100% like that is everything in life that you're doing It's like it's the ride man. That is the coolest fucking thing. That's true because I used to do that for stand-up I would go somewhere and I'd be like oh my god. This could be amazing or this could be shit Right, you don't know if it's gonna be you don't know and you don't know and then when it's amazing you're like wow That wasn't so bad. There was only 30 people there, but they left. It's like that is life. It's so cool I have never experienced something like that Like have I ever to work for anything? So you mean yeah, have you ever had a passion? Maybe I'm like chasing Yeah, my next Instagram post is No, she had a sandwich the other day Yeah, I want to get you a really big brand deal and then you're like why wasn't it more money Hey, now I'm killing it with the brand deals. You have a brand on every video That's not good enough Jason. It's not for these are a lot of money, man They are such a dick I work so hard. No, I'm kidding. Now. It's good. She's making you. You're the penny series Yeah, you know, it's you know, it's a funny thing. We were talking about obsession about the new movie. Yeah, and like how Like this guy made it for $750,000. Yeah, just killer killer and like that's kind of hard to put into perspective But I was telling everyone like that's the price of three vlogs when we're all traveling. Yeah, that's kind of crazy That is kind of crazy like in exchange for three vlogs. He made a $250 million film. Yeah, that's pretty fucking impressive Yeah, did you not like inspiring you though? You make a movie? No, I would never make a horror movie There's I don't like for that make a horror movie. You know that you know kind of movie I think low budget though like horror is kind of like your own Yeah, what is your only way to go? Yeah, but I think you know what I think would you be good at? And I know that we've like kind of attempted here we go I have a time to different like ideas and concepts for films and shows and things and maybe haven't been like successful yet But I just think you have such a good thing going with like your actual life, right? That dynamics relationships of like what this actually is and If you were to create some sort of like not indie but like low budget film that is like loosely based on Like your childhood friends you could do like the you know the the bike gang in Vernon Hills But then you guys grow up and then one of you becomes you know this great success and you're all like in it to like I just like there's like some Yeah, yeah, I guess like a you know, it doesn't need to be so Hollywood, but like I don't know. I just I just think there's like a really fun like people already you already know people love this story They already telling in your blogs and your day-to-day and like all your content stuff But like I just think there's like a there's like a low budget really fun Rewarding idea like out of that. That's not that complicated to put together because it's little your life Yeah, I get that but like I don't see like it's very easy to describe it that way and be like there's a fun show idea here But like if I don't see all of it It's I just can't do it right like if I don't see it start to middle or middle beginning and but you lived it But like I don't see how I would make a show out of it Wait your but your life is literally a movie right now. Just I want to be saying Natalie I'm saying like if we had to make one. I don't know how I would make it. I don't think he thinks like that He's like he's like David's - oh, it's just gonna sound like I'm sucking your dick. Let's go. But he's like he's like too real You know what I mean like David's the first person to be like that was fucking lame It's like those people went on those people were like acting You know what I mean it get it is it is hard to make acting good. Yeah, it's really hard. I was explaining today We were shooting with James Franco and shooting with James is so different than shooting with any of our friends because Like if you ask any of our friends to repeat a line, they'll be like fuck you you have it the first time But you ask James Franco to repeat something and he'll do it better the second time I mean like take a note or whatever and like I was explaining to him like like how I don't have any kind of vision for anything And I'm really good at like when I sat on the podcast a couple weeks ago where I was like I feel like I know what's when something is good But I just can't like conceptualize anything beforehand like I cannot you told him that even a vision for anything. Yeah That's like I hate when you do that when you like You self-deprecate to an extreme where you confuse people around you they're like the well then why am I here? You know because we're all here cuz like we believe in you and your vision. Yeah, I know I just like don't I don't really know how to do that. I don't know But you there there is a piece of you that does know how to do that No, the whole piece of me is like we're at a bit Let's say it's like it's Jason as Carmelita breaking into Vardon's house for the first time. Whatever. I don't I don't know what it is but like I know in that bit I know where it starts Once we have the start I know where the middle is once we have the middle and then I could finish the end because I have the first but do you You know what I'm saying? Yeah, like I'll know when we have it, but I will not know how to get there For the life of me. You can't like freeze script. Yeah, but then the second I'm there. I'm like that's the beginning That's the middle and then like Jason's like are we done? I'm like, no, we're not done. Yeah, we need to keep looking because there needs to be one more end We are like you know, I mean I could piece together the vlog very easily when we're there like editing real-time But I cannot pre-meditate anything for the life of me But I would I get that and I feel like that is true for when you're like trying to Curate a new moment or a new bit But like you've already you have so much experience with all these things You've already filmed that have been successful and you from start middle beginning and whatever Like don't you think you can just like replicate that? Like for like what you've filmed and done and just kind of I mean maybe It's a skill you just have to work at it. Yeah, and you're like You just have to work at it. It's like everything. I've been posting on Instagram a lot and Some things do well. Some things don't and I'm just like learning as I go You're like, okay, that didn't work. I fuck with you Jason. Thanks, man Thanks I think you're cool too. I heard Dave gave you shit for staying at the Luxor I mean, yeah, I'd rather sleep on the ground How was the Luxor? sketchy yeah, yeah, well, I mean it was fine. It was just a place to sleep. Did you go along? No, I stay with two other people No, did they DJ too? Yeah, yeah, it was a room full of DJs Do you guys get competitive if you all have the name DJ in your name? All right, okay. That's something I would like to point out when you reference me Take out the DJ part Please and thank you just rent free. Oh, you're just free. Yeah, yeah rent free. I think it's great Yeah, I think it works. I mean like it's like what else are you gonna be DJ apex? Yeah, I mean like what name are you gonna fucking possibly choose octagon? Yeah Marshmallows taken. That's like literally the only one I could think of I'm thoroughly in DJ Khaled another good one I would have thought of You can have you can do it. I'm one of the ones of it too like did he was He did he then he was diddy I mean it was convicted You can just be free or you free or you can just be a twine steam So forgotten Jason throughout Mm-hmm. What are some other choices? Wait, do you have them read them? Um, one of them one of them is pigeons I like that actually. I like that a lot. I like everyone told me it was like too dirty Like I won't get booked Yeah, pigeon is pretty sick. I just think it has like a nice punch pigeon is actually really good. It sounds cool Yeah, yeah, you can have a lot of fun with the logo singular singular. Yeah, that's sick And then for when you start your show the way you come out is people throw a guy on the stage Where's he everyone What else is there was another name I like pigeon Um That was like highest on the list. I was only like serious one pigeon got it works with your limp. Is that why you said pigeon? No, it was Actually, it's a story - I don't walk like a pigeon We used to laugh When John Ilya and I went to EDC for the first time like five years ago I took this video of us just like bobbing our heads like that and the caption was pigeons. Oh I love
That's kind of cool. Yeah, Pigeon's popping their head Yeah, this is a really good name of the logo really fucking yeah Yeah, the only thing I don't like about rent freeze that it's like Pigeon is gross though. I'm thinking about it now You think like my roommates Pigeon Like it's kind of like disgusting. It's like do you clean up after does it clean up after himself like genuinely? Nothing you fuck Pigeon. Yeah, but yeah, you fucked Pigeon. There's this okay So I'm not gonna say who there's this there's this group. There's this there's this There's this group on tiktok It's like a family and one of the family members keeps being referred to as Pigeon in the comments Mm-hmm, and she didn't like it for the longest time. I don't know if she embraces it now I don't know why they called her Pigeon, but the comments just like just slowly start calling her Pigeon And they're like where's Pigeon? Everyone's like where's Pigeon? She's like she's a young girl too She's like 13 And and I think there was one point where she was like can you guys please stop calling me Pigeon So from the eyes of a 13-year-old may not be the best word Pigeon I don't know. I think it's just like anything else. It becomes cool once you're cool if you do white Pigeon That could be better white Pigeon that's white dove Dove White doves have right give me another name give me another name you're onto something if you have Pigeon No, I mean that was That was the best one That's all he got this other words are by the odor and I was crack Okay, so I've Pigeon or swap dick I mean, yeah, this one is like apex sever sever. Yeah, not bad Frosting because I like frosting. Yeah. Did you get frosting? It's pretty good. Frost. No Frosty Frosty I feel like that's already taken. That's gotta be taken probably took me neon keys What about something like really a satiric like the arms that break us only hold us back? That's the whole thing. Yeah I don't think he got that one DJ thin man Take that I think you could be good at this if you stop putting the fucking DJ in there. Well, I like thin man The mince pretty good DJ DJ's our probably like the best like you could look like watch I'm gonna look around the room. I'll find something really quick ready ice cube SD card philipino DJ podcast Mike Wilmer Once you're not at least saying all right guys, that's all top we have for today's podcast Please help us come up with names for GGA rent free or rent free excuse me or pigeon or smile whatever it's fucking name is And go check out Jason's daily vlogs. Not daily anymore Quit on that if anybody wants to help John San furniture hill happily pay you out My pocket so hit them up and go following Adely on her other things that she does. Yeah, bye. Bye
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
John mistakenly believed that hiring Alex to sand furniture was a way to pay him from his own salary, but in reality, the cost was being covered from his paycheck as part of his regular duties.
The confusion arose from John’s ambiguous messaging—specifically, saying "my first employee" which was misinterpreted by Alex as meaning David was paying him, leading to a chain of misunderstandings.
Despite the miscommunication, the actual work was completed, with only a few chairs remaining, and John admitted he didn’t fully grasp the financial logic behind the arrangement.
The group humorously highlights John’s poor communication and lack of clarity, calling it "retarded" and "a second language," emphasizing how easily misaligned expectations can form.
A broader discussion emerges about AI’s growing influence, with the hosts drawing parallels to human creativity, noting that AI's ability to manipulate systems and data is becoming more dangerous and unpredictable.
The narrative shifts to a lighthearted reflection on phone-free experiences, where the absence of devices enhances social interaction and makes moments feel more authentic and immersive.
Alex shares a personal triumph playing at EDC, though it was much smaller than expected, and the hosts praise the raw, real-life authenticity of the experience over staged performance.
The conversation ends with a creative suggestion to develop a low-budget film based on the hosts’ real-life experiences, emphasizing authenticity over Hollywood-style storytelling.
Summary:
The podcast features a humorous and revealing confrontation over a misunderstanding involving John hiring Alex to sand furniture. John claims the work is being paid for from his salary, but the phrasing "my first employee" is misinterpreted, leading to confusion and comedic confusion between David, John, and Alex. The hosts highlight John’s poor communication and the absurdity of financial logic in casual work arrangements.
The segment expands into broader themes, including the growing power and danger of AI, with the hosts comparing AI’s autonomous behavior to human creativity and risk. They also explore the value of phone-free experiences, noting how removing digital distractions enhances real-world interaction and presence. A personal anecdote about Alex’s EDC performance—smaller than expected but deeply authentic—leads to a creative suggestion: a low-budget film based on real-life experiences, emphasizing authenticity over spectacle.
The episode concludes with a playful discussion on naming a new DJ project, ultimately rejecting "DJ" and proposing names like "Pigeon" or "Thin Man," while affirming the value of raw, unscripted human connection.
FAQs
John meant that the furniture sanding task was part of his regular job responsibilities and would be covered by his salary, not an additional expense. He initially thought he was paying Alex out of his own pocket, but he later clarified that it was part of his salary, not a separate payment.
Alex misunderstood John's initial message, where John said 'my first employee,' which he interpreted as meaning John was covering the cost of Alex's work from his own salary. This led to Alex believing the payment was coming directly from John's paycheck.
Alex's work is being paid out of John's salary as a regular job responsibility, not as a separate side payment. The $400 mentioned is not a one-time fee; it's part of the ongoing cost of the task, which John originally intended to cover under his salary.
No, John did not pay Alex extra. The work was part of his payroll, and the cost was absorbed into his regular salary. The confusion arose from miscommunication, not a financial transaction.
The group clarified that John had never intended to pay Alex separately. The phrase 'my first employee' was a misinterpretation of John's statement, which simply meant the work was part of John's regular duties and salary, not a separate payment.
The episode highlights that John's communication is often confusing and ambiguous, leading to misinterpretations. His statements like 'my first employee' are ambiguous and lack clarity, resulting in significant misunderstandings among team members.
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