CARTEL CHAOS with Jaeson Jones | Ep67 | Going Rogue with Lara Logan

Larry, you need to understand that the DOJ and many of these DEA and FBI people, they want to continue to do the same thing they've always done for 50 years and die, arrest, slow-roll, this will never end. That is not the game that we are in now. This is the full breadth and scope of the United States government working with our partners down there to go after these keynotes and watch these organizations fall apart internally. Now, does that mean we're stopping drug trafficking? No, that is separate. If you start chasing that as we have for 50 years, you're going to do the same thing and have no results. We're not stopping crime in Mexico. We are taking away a capability that has the ability to overrun nations. Welcome to this week's episode of Going Rogue with Lara Logan. My guest today is one of my favorite people in the whole entire world. His name is Jason Jones. If you want to talk anything, Cartel, he is your man. Jason was a captain in the Texas Department of Public Safety, working in intelligence and counterterrorism. He ran the cross-border center. He's also the man who spends a good eight years going around the country nagging everybody, trying to get people to pay attention to the transformation of the Cartel's in Mexico from NACO drug trafficking operations to actual terrorist organizations and pushing for the United States to designate the Cartels as terrorists, which is something that President Donald Trump finally did in his second administration. He is also the border correspondent for Newsmax. We are here today to talk things, you know, all things El Mencho and CJNG and what is going on in Mexico with the killing of one of the most, if not, arguably, the most powerful Cartel leader in Mexico today. Jason, thank you so much for joining us, making time for us. I know this is something that you have spent, you know, the better part of what is it, 20 years now? This has been your lane. All things Cartel, you've also spent a lot of time in Mexico recently with access to Mexico's, you know, counter Cartel, counterterrorism operations. So, but if we can just start with the death of El Mencho, you know, was followed in Mexico by widespread violence across some 20 states in Mexico. First of all, how significant is the death of El Mencho and how do you explain this eruption of violence across the country? Well, it's great to be with you. Thank you for having me. I first want to start out by saying to the men and women of the National Defense Forces, with the Mexican armies, who that is, they lost a lot of people. I've been protected and surrounded by those people. I've been in some of the most violent places in Mexico. My heart truly goes out to them because I'm going to say this again and again, probably while we're on. And the story needs to be told that what they do there protects not only their people, but it protects ours as well. And these men, what they've done in this operation is truly tremendous. And it is a huge success that has massive secondary and third impacts. But to answer your question specifically here about El Mencho and this operation, the quote we know right now so far is, you know, Mencho was, and this is the important point of why we saw it spread so rapidly. Mencho had become something much bigger than just the leader of the most high-provided cartel in Mexico, also operating in 48 countries around the world. He was building a federation and his tentacles reached throughout Mexico into all the major cartels. Now let me validate that for a second. Pramito, who runs cartel de gafo, grew up with El Mencho. He was supporting Pramito to be in charge of cartel de gafo operating along our front data from Brownsville over into Roma, Texas. If you look at other cartels, his links and ties from Tijuana all the way down, even Sonaloa. I mean, a lot of people are not aware that Ivan Guzman, who is the son of Chapa Guzman, had actually united with him as well. So why, the reason I set this up the way I am is because people need to understand that when he fell, you had two things that happened. First, on one side of it, you saw immediately revenge violence is what we call it. We've seen in the past these cartels rise up and we see they conduct the roadway blocks and all those things. But then what happened? It went from the state of Holesco where the incident occurred and then from there, rapidly to 12 states and then to 20 as reported by the Mexican government. The why did that is divided? Part of it is because of his interlinks and ties across to the other cartels. The other part of this is very important and that is the pushback from all of the cartels' capabilities against the Mexican government. If you can get him, we are all on the table and that comes from the all of 2025 attacking illogistics, attacking illogistics and we'll get to that. But this is a pivotal moment in Mexico, strategically because what President Shinebaum, what Secretary of Heart Food chooses our public safety secretary and what the other secretaries of General Travia who runs the Army and Seknaf Admiral Morales, who runs the Navy. What they do here moving forward and staying the course, I can't stress to the viewer what a pivotal moment this is as we move forward this. But all of this is really because if that man can fall, we all can fall. And for the first time, for the first time that I can think of as somebody who's been doing this for over 20 years, they're nervous. And this is exactly where we want the savages. Jason, didn't that anxiety and that kind of fear begin with the terrorist designation? And I say that because at the time I was tracking this and there were a number of members of cartels that were reaching out to people in the United States, looking to make deals, looking to get protected, very, very concerned about how has this changed the game? Authorities, one word, authorities. Now we've been able to bring in and leverage the full might and tools of national power. And I screamed it for eight years, Larry, you know it better than anyone because you were there with me on the border as I was just going to anyone that would listen. And you were one of the only people that really started listening. And I thank you for that all the time because it's changed the game just as we promised that it would. We are doing things now that we've never been able to do previously. Not only does President Trump have title two of the presidency, which is what's causing it giving him their true authorities to strike a lot of the votes down there. But he also has the terrorism designation and he has the enemy powers act. So he is pulling every power of the president and the presidency and labeling these cartels, Trende or Agua and all these so that every line of authority is there for every agency that needs it. I give him a lot of credit for that. And that is what has put these these savages back on their heels because they know the full weight of the United States government is now against them. And I give President Trump and his cabinet a lot of credit for what they're doing. They started with logistics. Why? Because by building out the logistics you see how they adjust you building your intelligence apparatus from that you listen to their chatter you build out the capabilities in the failures and then in 2026 I have been saying almost daily. Get ready. We're going to see a transition to attack the network and boom right off the top. What did we have the takedown of El Menchel the head of them all. And a lot of people are going to say Lara and you're going to hear this narrative. Because before it was why are you going after the bosses. Well now that we have they're saying the exact thing they always said under call the wrong and yet. Oh, here we go after the capo strategy. He's already going to be replaced. Yeah. That's true. But under network theory. And this is where we need to be on this. Menchel had to be taken out not only because of the breadth and scope of the power that he had in the level of violence and what he had done to our citizens of Mexico. We had it to degrade all of these capabilities. So as what's going to happen now. As you're seeing you're seeing cartels as far as our northern border or our southern border in their northern border with cartel the gaughful. They're already starting the infighting. That's what I call phase two of the violence. First you have revenge violence. Then you can have the phase two where the savages on savages internally battle for who's going to now take over within their cartels. Jason, it's interesting that you're pointing out. Yeah, you know, when you go off to the low level people, they say all these are only the low level people. Then you go off to the high level people and they say, well, that's not going to do anything. Because they're just going to be replaced and what are all of these people really want? They want you to leave it all intact. Don't go after anyone, right? I mean, if you listen to them, you won't do anything. There it really is. Let's just get right down to it for the audience. That is what they want. Do nothing. Allow them to get stronger and stronger. And the world just witnessed again why we worked so hard for so long to get them designated as foreign terrorist organizations. They revealed themselves when we went after a video, the breadth and scope in Kool-Aid Khan. Now as Mention Rose, as the Sinaloa had been fracturing, look at 20 different states in Mexico that just were put on fire overnight. And the other part of this is that is not something against the Shimbongh administration. I've had questions asked of me to, Lara, where how come the government wasn't ready? The cartels are just too big and herited a mess. I know one has talked about, we think President Trump inherited a problem. When I went down there and I, as you know, I have met with the secretaries of this administration. I have set with them in their offices. And there's a lot of these conversations I will never, ever reveal as you know how that goes. But when I listen to them talk what they inherited and what they were up against. Let me tell you, these people have done tremendous work in a very short period of time, attacking the logistics, building a national security strategy to go after these cartels. And that story is what I think the American public really needs to know, which is what has led to this point now. Markets don't just watch rates. They watch real purchasing power and confidence in policy. When rate expectations and inflation pressures collide, gold often becomes a headline asset again. It's not politics, it's math, debt, deficits, and monetary choices shape currency confidence. Monetary gold offers clear explanations and IRA eligible options with real people you can reach by phone. Take the next step. Call 800-888-0807 or fill out the short form at LaraLuvsGold.com for your complimentary guide. For qualifying accounts, they may cover IRA fees for life. Ask how. So I want to talk to you in more detail about that because there really aren't many people who have that insight and understanding and have witnessed it firsthand the way you have. But you referenced something it kind of went by quickly and I think it would be lost on much of the audience. You referenced Ovidio Guzman, right, who was the son of El Chapo and he was located up in Sena Loa territory and they included Akhan and when the Maximum Military went in to try to arrest him, they had him as I recall, correct me if I get any of this wrong, but they were successful. They got hold of Guzman. They had him isolated. They had him in a house. There was, you know, because of this is a big problem in Mexico. There was in the upper echelons in Mexico, there was some delaying tactics, right, which gave El Chapo's people, Guzman's people the chance to marshal their forces and then they began very strategic attacks taking over infrastructure, airports and roads and so on and so on. >> Right. >> And threatening them and the President of Mexico at the time, caved and let Ovidio Guzman go. >> Correct. And that was Amlo and what was not told to the American people during that time is part of the reason that Amlo released them is because Ivan went absolutely crazy and at the time, you know, he was very powerful and very strong. He took many hostages and said, you either release my brother or we kill him all. That's the level of savagery that was taking place in that was really not communicated well. Part of the reason that Amlo released them. >> When they threaten all the Mexican military members. >> And their families, that's right. And their families at the barracks that they took, that's exactly right. But that was just part of it was actually much bigger. And now it's fast forward to now. You saw the same thing. Why did C.J. and G, what were their demands? Return his body or we kill everyone, right? >> And give us the names of every soldier involved in the operation. >> There it is. So that has failed for them now. You see, the government did not waver. And I give them a lot of credit. The pressure that they have been in. I don't know if you watched General Trevias' national speech to the nation. I mean, he broke down. He lost 27 on his soldiers that we know of so far. That's very difficult. I don't think people realize, I've been protected by these young people. Many of them are very young. And love their country. And love their fellow citizens. They're doing what they can. So that's why I started out the way I did today. I know that sacrifice. I know what I'm seeing. Those bodies just piled up the way I did yesterday of those National Guard soldiers. Breaks from a heart. I was protected by many of them when I've been down there in Kulia County. >> That's rough. They're just such great people. Right? I mean, you and I have been in Mexico together. We've both been there a number of times. These people that sign up for a job that is so dangerous knowing how ruthless and violent the cartels are, knowing the price that they're going to pay, that their families are going to pay, they'll go after their children. I mean, there's nothing these people won't do. So I don't think you can underestimate the amount of courage that it takes to sign up for that job. And also, they're pretty impressive. I mean, they're in the fight all the time. They are constantly under attack and under fire. And they're constantly threatened. So there's no, it's not like, you know, when you go to war, when you deploy, they live in war constantly. >> That is, I think you said it better than that I could have ever, ever stated that. That's absolutely right. And they get paid very little to do it. And that's why I'm trying to give them as much credit because what it's very easy for us on our side of the river to say, hey, corruption, corruption, corruption, we all know that corruption is there. They know it, but yet every day they are going out there and trying to do the best they can for their, for their fellow citizen in the environment that they've got. And so I've made very close friends down there. I was down there four times embedding with them, you know, protected by their pilots who are flying me around some of the most elite members of the Special Forces Corps. I embedded with them how the opportunity to actually see their air to ground operations, see their ground operations, how they train because cities around them will literally engulf them because that's what the cartel does. So they train for that. I got to see that training real time, but from air to ground across the board. And then they're, how they evacuate a lot of their people, many of them very young, just motivated people and just great, great Mexican citizens and great people who want to fight for their fellow citizens. So let's set the record straight them because there was some reporting that this was a joint US Mexican operation. And when you and I spoke, you know, when it right off to El Mencho was killed, you said to me that that was not correct. So what, what actually happened? Yeah. And look, you know my sources, right? You've met them. You know they're back for out. So without me having to go into that, you know, these are people at the, at the highest levels at the best of the best, who part of those placks behind me are the reason they're on those walls. And these are people who have chased the highest level of cartels, chop-o-goos-mon and many others down there. What we know now is that the Mexican military had received their own intelligence. Yes, they always get intelligence from the United States. That's that's a daily thing just so everybody knows it's watching. What we know is that we did provide an ISR high flying aircraft platform for what we call God's Eye or the constant eye that monitors the battlefield. That's one of the capabilities that we can provide that really provides an incredible asset and their units, their specialized units from the region, not even their, their main elements from Mexico City, just their regional units. They very hastily ran on the stop because they had really good intelligence on this and they were able to get it. And now they did they kill him, they killed the head financier who was with him. Another major cartel player including capturing his steps on it. There's a few others that we don't quite know. I've heard Puma was one of them, but I can't validate that yet. But what that means is basically just chop the head off is what it did. Another major player within the organization. But you saw the fallout immediately and all of that layer should validate to the world. 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They couldn't get them out, but that yet they were able to accomplish the mission and they fought it out, anyway, even though they were being completely surrounded. That's why I say when I tell you the level of heroism here and what these men did, I don't, you know, I love what our country does. I love that we're going to provide any asset and I can explain why certain agencies were involved in that from our side based on the new funnel of how the intelligence flows in the process. But we can't take away the credit. You know, I've heard crazy things like Seal Team 2 who's down there providing training that it was really them and that stuff is just madness. Look, sovereignty to the leadership in Mexico. It is key. It is their key, they and anyone that has dealt with them from when I interviewed general, forced or general views northern command general, Gio, all the way down to being in Mexico, myself, I can tell you that that is the core thing that you will always hear from the leadership in Mexico, sovereignty, sovereignty, sovereignty. They'll collect the intelligence all day long, but they have a strategy. They have a methodology and they'll go after certain people and from their perspective for everybody watching. It is about attacking the violent, what they term the violent generator. And I've really become someone who likes that terminology much more than the drug trafficker, much more than the human smuggler and the alien smuggler because they're attacking the violence, attacking the violence. And what they are finding in that, Lara, is massive success. You know, massive success in that. We can talk all about that if you like. Well, before we do that, let's talk about El Mencho. I mean, I couldn't believe it when I heard the news because like many other people, if you've been following what goes on in Mexico, if you know anything about C.J. and G and El Mencho, one is that C.J. and G really made their signature, their mark in Mexico by being ultra, ultra violent. Two was that, you know, the militarization of the cartels that began with cartel del Gufo and you know, the people he recruited out of Mexican special forces, forces that became Los Sators, that you know, C.J. and G took that to a whole nother level. There's that. And now I think fairly infamous video that you were the responsible for sourcing where you can see the long line of C.J. and G with, you know, all the heavily armed military-looking soldiers and the armoured vehicles and, you know, that's just the level of weaponry they had. And then the third part that's really so striking about C.J. and G is that it had been a long time pretty much since Pablo Esquivar and El Chapo that we had heard cartel members speak about their leader in such reverential terms. Like in every, in many of the C.J. and G videos, it was all about Mencho, El Mencho, you know, there was this kind of, you know, cult of personality that he built around himself. So to just help us understand a little bit more about how significant those things were and what C.J. and G had become. Because they only, they only came up in the 2010s. Now I know all of the leaders, you know, had histories and other cartels, you know, going back to the millennial cartel and all the rest of it. But nevertheless C.J. and G was fairly young when you compared to something like Cinaloa. Well said. And why is that? Well, he came from, he was a Cinaloa and he became a part of the Mata Zepta, which were the Zepta killers. Remember when the Zepta were so out of control? It was the other cartel's response to keep this special forces unit that had amazing capabilities that none of the are their cartels really had with level of trained enforcement wings like the Zepta's brought into the cartel. So they were forced to that he became a Mata Zepta and then as Lafamia began to crumble, then Knights Templateo began to crumble. There was a massive void and throughout the Holesco area, down south and then he filled that with his own cartel. Now what was the reason for their rise very rapidly? Because you pointed out something that most people never talk about. It was the fact that he was married into the Valencia cartel. Valencia is at a very important name within this organization and their role. I call it Las Coonies. I mess that up all the time in the pronunciation there. But through that cartel, their global ties to Europe, New Zealand and Australia and the movement of cocaine overseas. Look back in the day Larry, you know, I could buy a kilo of cocaine when I was working under cover about 75 to 11, 5 kilo. Depending on how many kilos you're going to buy at the time of the Southwest border. In Europe at that time, they were selling up for 20,000 a kilo. So you can see why their transnational model working with Las Coonies was so lucrative. That's right. And it built the cartel and it all put so put them on a global stage much bigger, much more rapidly, much faster. How much does that price go up Jason when you get to Australia in New Zealand? Well, that's that's the whole thing. You know, you're talking like in 2016 when I was retiring. I mean, they were making 20, 30,000 a kilo. We were stunned. We were seeing cocaine go backwards. Literally ship it to the US and then ship it overseas. Things that we had never seen before because of the global influence that was now taking place, which we now, you know, we see today. It's just it's changed the game and why you see South America and the cocaine bananza that were under on a whole new level. Well, they helped forge that. So I mean, Sinolowa is in a lot of countries worldwide. But as you referred to C.J. and G in 48 countries, that's something that the Valencia family and Los Quines and C.J. and G really used to incredible effect because instead of having to to a fight as a small cartel in Mexico for supremacy, they really had were boosted by that external business model, right? That's that's absolutely right. The Valencia's I have worked the Valencia a lot, you know, and the O Millennial cartel or, you know, it's amazing what they were doing because it was all about international money laundering. Blonder that money into banks into legitimate assets created that capability and their rise so fast so quickly. That's where it came from. A lot of people are not aware of that. And that's also how, you know, that was part of the change that I was trying to articulate as we were down on the border for so many years that this, you know, as most of these pundits were selling these cartels as a US-Mexico problem, they had gone global a decade earlier by far and no one was talking about. So they had gone military. They had they had gone really militarized and stepped up because of the training that Los Etes had had from US special forces, right? When they were in the Mexican military, they had gone to a global model that also diversified into many other businesses from the industrial theft of oil, which is which Galeo, you know, to all the way up to the avocado trade, right? Hey, don't stop there. How about the mining that they're doing all the way down to South America? You know, they're in the mining business. I was in I was embedded in December with the Navy and I got to tell you something that happened. I was down and I was talking to one of the captains and he was showing me. I was at one of the largest ports in Mexico where most of the incoming shipments from Southeast Asia, China, come through this one port. And he's I asked him, I said, so how many chemicals are you looking for? This is going to stun you. How many chemicals? And I'm thinking as somebody that lives and breathes this maybe 20. He looks at me and says, we have 71 that we look for every day. And I said, I'm I'm sorry, did you say 71? Yeah. He said, yeah, he said, Jason, we've seized 800 tons of chemical precursors in 13 months, just the Mexican Navy. When I tell you, Clara, that they are under a barrage of chemical warfare. I it put me back on my heels. You know what the the last chemical is they're looking for? What? Mercury. You know why? To support global mining from Mexico to South America because they use mercury to separate the gold. I had no idea of this. Here we are stuck on fentanyl, paraphythentinocera fentanyl, zyrazine, netrazine, blah, blah, blah, blah, because they're importing chemicals that now make the chemicals, which make the chemicals that make the dope. We're still in that mindset. They're 10 miles down the road and already in mining. They're taking these D8 dozers down in South America. And I could look, we could go on and on, but I'm trying to make your audience understand the breadth and scope of these carcels, how advanced they are and how far ahead they are of our own intelligence agencies. It is a full time job to just try to keep up with this. And every time I go to Mexico, I come back drinking beer, thinking, my God, how do I articulate this because the chemists are so moving and changing the analog so fast. I'll tell you right now, all the chemists. And I want you to hear me and I don't care who I offend to all the sissy men and little baby children get over it. 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But this is also primarily designed by our adversaries to destabilize and destroy America from within. Absolutely right. And China is absolutely using the cartels for that. And you know, again, this is where I give President Trump a lot of credit for his strategy and what he's doing against the South American cartels as well. Because one of the things that really stunned me is that is that interlining unification I did not realize was there to the degree that is there until I went down to Mexico and learned about these chemicals, how it's supporting South American operations, not just in the mining. They're moving federal operations down there because that was going to be their sanctuary. Trump took that away from with Maduro. And now he's attacking the Koch of fields and going after the boats and what the story of the Americans aren't being told right now is the aircraft that are being stolen from Columbia Peru to Bolivia. Literally stolen by people who are not even pilots. They've just got a few hours of flight and they are one way suicide trips of aircrafts small mostly sesna's, piper's, two-ten smaller aircraft, load it full of cocaine, fly it over. One way trips crashing into the jungle, take the coke out, come back rinse, wash, repeat because Trump why? Because President Trump is sitting in the boats and he needs to. I've been down there. I've seen these semi-submersible vessels. I was stunned. I was with the Navy and we were in the Pacific Ocean. I was on worship Pola and I was with these incredible soldiers from the Marines who I'd always sent intelligence to. It was very honored to be back and be with the Marines and to see what they're going through. But when they were telling me what they're up against, just the Navy, most Americans are not aware. In 13 months they seized 51 tons of cocaine from South America coming up the Pacific. That's just Mexico. That's not what we have seized. I don't know if you're sister, the viewers aware 200,000 pounds seized by Operation Biperson's August alone from the United States. When you start overlaying that from the US to Mexico to Guatemala and all the other countries and their seizures, you realize that the production of cocaine alone, it has more than doubled. The problem is the story's not getting out. The American public is not aware of it. So we're under this barrage of cocaine and a level that if you think that what we were seen under the Miami Vice here in the 1980s, you know, from the old show back going and listen, it is two different worlds. Now Ecuador is the major player not because they produce cocaine because they're pushing it to Europe, New Zealand and to Austria. We're in a whole new world. We are in a whole new world and drug warfare is really important for people to understand. The Chinese know what drug warfare can do because this is how they lost Taiwan to the British when they brought in opium from India, which upset the whole balance in China where people had been used to opium from China. And this was now a very disruptive force. And so the Chinese understand this and they're playing the long game and they're allied with all of these cartels and all of these governments and all these forces that are working together. And you know, we mentioned the Valencia family. This is particularly interesting because of the money laundering component, what you start to realize when you look at these organizations is that remember, you know, I went down to Columbia when they did a massive bus down there and what they had found was that they were actually stacking bricks of $100 bills and building walls inside apartments because the days of Pablo Escapar and you know the big flashy drug cartels, those days were over because they realized that that was creating too big of a signature. So they had moved to this much, you know, this much more sort of covert kind of operations where it was the accountants meeting in coffee shops that were really running everything, right? And so what they were doing was they were finding that they had so much money, they didn't know what to do with it because they couldn't spend it the way that they were spending it. So they were actually using it as bricks to build walls, right? But so those those days, you know, have changed again because now what we're talking about is now we're talking about, you know, huge operations all over the world and we've only touched on their, their sort of illegitimate businesses, right? We haven't even talked about their legitimate businesses and that's where they need the money laundries because they can't move all that cash, right? And they need to launder it into into seemingly legitimate businesses. So this gives the money laundries an extraordinary amount of control and power. It really does. And as this is really the untold story, there as they have diversified into mining as they're now stealing our own nations precious minerals. You gotta remember, that's the wealth of a nation. A lot of people are not aware. We're averaging just that we know of in Texas $200 million of our own oil being stolen and shipped to Mexico. So the cartels are constantly diversified yet. What is Americans told the drug cartels? Because we're gonna minimize it. We're gonna minimize the problem. And that's what they're trying to do. But if you really take a minute and you look up and you look around in your communities and you look at what's happening to our fellow citizens and you look at what's happening in our communities with Fountainhall and the desks, you know, I'll go do it an event. All you know, I speak all over the country and I'll ask the question, how many of you have been impacted by Fountainhall? You would be stunned at what I'm seeing. So this designation, this initiative, this effort and the unity of effort between us and the Mexicans, I cannot stress how important it is so that we can better protect not only our own country but our hemisphere, our hemisphere is on fire and we have to look at it completely, completely different. And Jason, at the same time as that they want you to think it's all about drugs. Let me lay out the three lines of operation in terms of information warfare that we're dealing with, right? Number one, we touched on, which is that it's the US's fault because we have the demand for narcotics and as long as there's a demand, it's going to be met. So it's the fault of every American that uses a drug or wants a drug. The second line of operation is that we just need to legalize drugs. That if you just legalize drugs, you know, all of this black market stuff and violence and everything else will all go away and it can be taxed and everybody can be rich and everybody will be fine and happy. And then the third line of operation is this is all America's fault anyway because all the guns are coming from the United States. So can you just address those three propaganda narratives? I give you so much credit. All right, let's go over that first one real quick, right? The first one being that the demand, right? Nobody tells you. Yeah, they created the demand. And now let me validate that real quick to all of the narrative that all of your viewers have heard for how long. If you just didn't have such a drug problem in the United States and a craving for it, well, we didn't have a fentanyl crisis in this country, didn't we? I've worked narcotics since 2000. No, night I started in narcotics with 1997 with the Hays County Sheriff's Office. I never even heard of fentanyl. I guarantee most of the viewers hadn't either and still to this day. Most don't even know about paraphernal or car fentanyl, also known as serifentinal. So what's the wide of that? Let me validate. We saw where the Mexicans took over the methamphetamine market in 2004 created the mega labs for methamphetamine production in Mexico began taking over that. And you know what they were doing in Houston, Texas? I was with the methamphetamine unit of a height, what they would call height, a high intensity drug trafficking group at a Houston Texas. They were given the dope away for free. That's how they got everybody hooked on Mexican dope. And I'll never forget this. I was interviewing again. And she said it tastes like shit, but it's free. Now let me fast forward. I'm with DEA three years ago and I'm one of the first national journalists on the ground in Kensington, which if you've not looked up Kensington, you got to do it because it's a human tragedy. It's taking place there. You know when how the Mexicans took over that specifically, Chapel Guzman, historically the Colombians had always moved a heroin into that area of Pennsylvania. In 2010, 2012, Chapel Guzman and his people began moving in and they gave away their dope for free. They kind of took over the street market. They really have corner crews there. And then when fentanyl came on board around 2016, they started giving away for free. So when you came to get your heroin, you got fentanyl for free. That's how they do this. The problem is the American public has never told this story. This is how they have done this. Just interrupt you very briefly. I interviewed a very senior DA person on the East Coast and he said exactly the same thing what they would do is there'd never been a meth market. It wasn't a it wasn't a Boston area kind of a drug, right? And what they would do is when you showed up to get your whatever it happened to be, they would say, oh, you know, we're out. We don't have any of that. But take this. It'll tide you over. Right? That's the tactic. But what are we told you rotten Americans all the time? Now let's go to the other topic. What was the second one out of the three? The second one was oh yeah, legalize all my all narcotics and get rid of the black market, tax it, and you know, and your problem is solved. We did it. You got what you wanted. You did it. They've legalized drugs all over the United States. Look at all the states that have done it. Are we better for it? We are witnessing the worst overdose crisis in American history. Communities destroyed. Don't take my word for it. The data validated. Take a few minutes tonight and look up Kensington, Philadelphia. I've been in Las Vegas in the tunnels. I've been in the specific fentanyl tunnels. Underground. I've been in the meth tunnels. Walking for miles in the dark, finding people just down there, tweaking out, living underneath the city. We are seeing things we have never seen before. So the narrative of the legalization of drugs, it's over. They got what they wanted and they have proven to all of us as Americans. It was the wrong direction. It has destroyed people. It has destroyed families and community after community in this country. And now the third weapon. They would argue just to just encounter it before we move under weapons, right? The counter to that would be they don't have what they wanted. They only managed to legalize marijuana. There's a few places I think like Oregon, you know, I could be wrong, but where there's harder drugs that are legalized. But for the most part, the things that you're talking about, meth and fentanyl are still illegal. >> As they should be, but look, here's the problem. Let's just stick with marijuana. What has that brought to communities? Now you've got Laced marijuana with fentanyl, paraphytanyl and every other thing. And you have the use of drugs by children at ages we've never seen as low as they are. Because any whether you want to believe it or not, the bottom line is that I'm telling everyone is somebody that did this for a living as a narcotic station. Well, we would arrest you for any type of drug. We have a roster, a sheet. And we ask you across this country, a standard question. What's the first drug you used that's illegal? You know what it is? Marijuana. >> Marijuana. >> Whether people want to agree with it or not, I'm telling you as somebody that was an undercover narcotic agent out on the streets, that's what the real truth is. And that's a starter drug. That's where the term comes from. That's why we've gotten to where it is and look what it's brought our communities. It has not helped our nation. And then what they've done is they've now said, okay, well, we're going to allow us to grow marijuana and look at what CD environments have now grown around there. Pure destruction. We've seen it from California throughout the golden triangle, all the way to Maine. We've got Chinese in Maine doing illegal marijuana grow operations at the same time, conducting human smuggling and human trafficking operations. Look at the operations taken place in California where they've got children in forced labor camps who are illegal aliens from the United States. Tom Homan is rescue countless children from those operations. This legalization of marijuana thing, man, it's a scam. And it never brought the amount of money that the American public was promised to. You remember, that was another flip side of this. So if you'll just legalize it, it makes certain people rich, right? And nobody else, that's the same as everything. Move your business to China. Globalization's great. Yeah, except we'll get screwed and you get rich. It's right. It has nothing to hurt our country. Well, Jason, and the other part of it is that this one is close to my heart. I know it's close to yours too. Is that when you legalize drugs and you make them more readily available, you and I both know we've seen firsthand that the best friend of human traffickers and child sex trafficking, child rape, child exploitation, you know, child torture, all of that is narcotics. Those two things go hand in hand. You never find one without the other. >> You know, I wish narcotics agents and people would come out and really speak publicly to the American people about what they've seen and they have the drugs are used. I could tell you case after case of what we worked on, an amazing case in Houston, Texas, where a guy who was a meth dealer, he was so addicted to drugs, he actually had a tap just so he could do it because his veins were gone, but he had two boys and they were in high school. What they would do is they would have parties and they would get the girls there, the high school girls, and they would come to the party and they give away dope for free. Well, then what they started doing was using those girls for sex because then when they wanted that dope, they would come back and they wouldn't give it away for free anymore, they'd say, hey, now you got to have sex with us. Well, then when they were getting their dope for that one, that wasn't enough. These savages would then say, hey, not only are you going to have sex with me, but you're going to deal it too. And so then these young girls from high school were then traveling around Houston dealing for these guys as well. This is the environment that Americans need to be told, drugs have brought to community. I don't look like I could go on. I could tell you so many stories, but we have no choice. It is, and I really think that what Derek Maltz, Derek's a close friend of both years of mine, what he says is right, you know, the web operations division of the DEA. Correct. You know, the weaponization of these chemicals, they're, you can't play with this stuff anymore. It is a, it is truly a weapon of war. And we have to stop it and those who want to deal with it, that's fine. But we are going to handle you for doing it. We're in a whole new world and we have to wrap our minds around it. Yeah, because as we know, you know, people who are who had drug addicts or regular users, they don't join, you know, the military because you have to be piss tested. They don't go into professional sports. They don't, you know, write, letters to Congress. You know, a lot of them, you kind of, they can't even hold down a job. So it just has a knock on effect throughout your society in addition to all the things that we're talking about, that it destroys you from within. And, you know, and people, their solution is Narcan. You know, that's their idea is that is that okay, that's all right. You can just bring people back from overdosing over and over again with no regard for what's left of their brains because we're now talking about chemicals, right? These are not, narcotics that grow in the ground like the marijuana of old. This is all enhanced with chemicals that cause permanent, permanent physical biological and brain damage. But okay, the third line of Operation Jason, all the weapons come from the US. It's our fault anyway. Yeah. Yeah. The, the standard saying, well, first, where does that come from? Well, that comes from Mexico because you have to understand what their mindset is, right? They don't allow their citizens to own the weapons legally. Yes, you can. They have a constitutional right. But in the 60s, as they saw what was happening in the United States amongst our universities during the hippie movement, they created some of the most stringent gun laws in the world. So the process to get those is very difficult. And what we have found is that, yes, it is true that most of the weapons that you and I can buy under our second amendment rights do go to Mexico. That's absolutely true. And about 90 plus percent of them come from the United States. But let me tell you what they never talk about. How those anti-Hormiga operat, we call it the Ant Trail or the Homeiga operation. What they do is those are cartel operations. Everyone needs to know this. When you send someone in the United States with, with, with, with money, and then you work with a family member who's a US citizen or a friend of that person to purchase the weapon, right? That's how it happens. Then those weapons are broken down. They're put into voids or what we call dis compartments. And then they're shipped back to Mexico in this constant ant trail that never quits. This is how it works. And then ammunition stores all over the United States and parts are shipped to Mexico. That is absolutely true. That's what's happening. But what Americans aren't told is these are cartel operations. These are cartel run operations by members of the weapons to themselves. That's exactly right. The second part to this is they never separate the military grade weapons. They never talk about the Latina Tatek weapons, the RPGs. They don't talk about the hand grenades. They don't talk about the 40 millimeter mic mics. And the belt fed machine guns coming from central and South America mostly. What we found in our investigations is that Guadalmala had been probably one of the biggest violators. The way it basically worked was the United States sells military grade weaponry. We sell it all over the world. And yes, it's some of the finest military weaponry. But what you have is you have armories that are run by corrupted individuals. The cartels go in there and they buy them. This is literally how the military grade side of this has been happening for a very long period of time. The problem is where nobody will tell you that. And those of us who have conducted long-term conspiracy cases on these fields, and there's been, look, I can go on, there's a whole lot of evolution. I mean, some of these military grade weapons spread all the way to South Korea. I mean, we've got military grade weapons coming in from all over the world support and cartel operations. So it's very advanced now. But- And many of them coming from places like China going into the coast of Mexico and being trafficked across overland across Mexico. And you know, I worked with a- Well, a US intelligence told me years ago that, sure, you can say that most of the traceable weapons in Mexico come from the United States. But how many countries in the world trace their weapons? And what percentage of weapons do traceable weapons make up on the streets of Mexico? They said it's only about 17% of the weapons on the streets of Mexico are actually traceable in the first place. And so the vast majority of weapons- what you're talking about, these military grade weapons, they're not the ones that are being sent over the border. There's not the ones that you're buying at a gun shop in the US. That's right. So, you know, I'll go back to it. I just shake my head at this and how the American people aren't told. Where does the ATF- or the trace date come from? It comes from the alcohol tobacco and firearms. For decades, we have at ATF agents down at the embassy and they get numbers all day long every day from seniors all across Mexico. And those seizures, I mean, those seizures then produce the numbers with which they run and they trace those numbers back to the United States or where those are coming from the Hormiga and the Anttrail. And then from there they can break that down and say, okay, which part of the East Coast, the West Coast, Texas and beyond where most of these weapons systems are coming from. So, that's where the trace data, that's where it really comes from, just so everybody knows. And then absolutely, you're absolutely right. You know, we had the first car bomb cookoff in Wattes, just south of El Paso, when the war was going on down there between Chapaguzman and the Wattes Cartel. But we were stunned as the triggering device came from Guatemala. I mean, they recovered it. So, you know, the influence of the FARC and, you know, the Colombians and all of that and how far back this goes with military grade weaponry and its input into the cartel environment. It's on a whole nother level now. I mean, we're in a whole new stratosphere on that. And now you see the influx of drones and the dropping of bombs. And I watched a bomb drop from C.J. and G the other day and the war going on in Sinaloa. I really thought, my God, they have, I've never seen an explosion like that from the cartel. And it's an just another acknowledgement of how big they have become, how advanced they have become in warfare. And I will say it again and again, Lara, they fight every day. You win or you die. They have become very good in their trade craft. And I listen to these people talking about, oh, they're just a bunch, they have no clue what they're up against and what they're talking about. These car tails have come from militaries. They have been trained all over the world all the way to South America. And they have become very good at their tactics. Now, not all of them, right? But those enforcement wings of the major cartels, they are no joke. And the world just witnessed it two days ago. So, okay, that brings us back to the violence that followed El Mencho's, him being killed. Let's talk about his replacement because we've touched on money laundering. And we've touched on the Valencia family. And as it turns out, we've also spoken about the FARC. And the man who is connected to all of that is the new leader of CJNG, who had strong relationships with the FARC, who actually was born in Mexico, but came illegally to the United States, said, you know, lived in California. I believe is now is he a US citizen? That's what I'm hearing. Look, we're going to find out if this is really going to be the guy. It'll be interesting to see if he survives it, right? Because there's going to be infighting. That's the great thing about what happens when we take out a major cartel boss and the bigger they are, the ripple effect and the secondary and third impacts stretching across Mexico. The world has finally witnessed, but that's phase one. Will he survive this? I don't know. Now his name, you know, he's probably simple. One Carlos Valencia Gonzalez, that's who they're claiming right now has been named. We'll see if that's what really takes place. The main point in that, though, is the name Valencia. He's directly linked to the Las Coonies, as I call them. That's not the right terminology. I know. But that means that the Valencia family side, which is El Mencho's wife's fox side of the family, has really risen. If it is true that he has taken over now, what does that mean in the long run? That means the money side of it, the laundering international side of it, has really come in and taken over a lot of power. Really, it's really going to be interesting to see, but it really doesn't matter to me. I don't care about these savages. I'm not here to say, oh, this guy took it and it, okay, we can kill him tomorrow. We'll take him out. I don't care anything about them. What I care about is winning. And our focus on not attacking the drugs anymore, the alien smuggling organizations, the human smuggling, we need to be definitely focused on network theory and collapsing these organizations, going after the rotten bankers, the rotten lawyers, the rotten CPAs, and the politicians who behind the scenes pull these levers. I don't want to talk anymore about the savages cutting the guy's face off. That means nothing. We can kill him today, he will be replaced in a matter of hours. What I want to do is see the end of these savages. That dead mean we're going to stop drug trafficking, Larry. It dead mean we're going to stop all this. We're to reducing a capability that is able to take over nations. And we have seen this play out. And that is where the focus should be. Lightning focus. So when you are seeing me and everyone needs to know this, and I give a lot of credit for the degrading of these organizations, hitting them in the money and what we've done in what I call phase one in 2025. As we have attacked the logistics, secured the border, really locked down on these cartels. We have heard them financially, but that is drug trafficking. Just as you and I have talked, that's one lane. That's alien smelly organization. That's one lane. That does not stop a cartel that has armor vehicles. I've gone to Mexico and military grade weapons. I'm going to Mexico, and I've sat down with generals at very high levels, a three star general, Brazilian. I might interview him and others. One commonality that they all have what I talk to them is that they admit that they cannot have citizens who are driving around in armor vehicles with 50 caliber belt fed machine guns, RPGs and all of these things. They were all on the same page. So I sit back after these interviews, Larry, and I go, we're on the same page. Why are we not doing this? Well, there's a lot of reasons for it, but where I'm trying to go with that statement, so everyone understands is we have so many things in commonality of stopping the violence and being lightning folks focused on these capabilities. And in doing so, we're attacking what they call the violence generators. And we have so many areas that we can work hand in hand with the Mexican government and do incredible work to crush these savages. I'm not looking to stop drug trafficking. I'm looking to reduce and destroy the cartels as we know them. And for everyone watching, it is absolutely fixable and very rapidly and very quickly. Go ahead, everyone. >> Okay, so what would you do next then? What would you be your next move? >> It's about network theory, staying very, very focused on degrading these cartels and going after what we call the key nodes within each of them. We've got to get away from this chasing the drugs. That's not, when I mean get away from it, I mean, that's part of what you have to do. That's the constant gardener concept. You have to always do that. You have to chase the alien smell in organizations. But when we talk about degrading the cartels and what President Trump has designated as his policy, total elimination, everyone needs to know. This is absolutely winnable. It's one of the easiest things to do because drug trafficking, weapons trafficking, all the trafficking that we talk about, the smuggling of people, those are separate operations. But we're talking about it's reducing and stopping a capability within these organizations to have armor and vehicles, military grade weaponry, the level of global reach that they do. And being brutally focused on absolutely crushing that part of it. And that's where we've not been before. So who is that and what is that? Much of it is what most Americans have never heard of what we call the company. That is the rotten lawyers who run many of these cartels behind the scenes, the bankers, the financiers, and the politicians. That is where the focus should be. So how do you do that? It's easy to say it, but how do you do it? The very important thing about the total elimination policy and the authorities of President Trump has gotten through the terrorism designation, through his title two authorities and through the Alien Enemies Act. What we're able to do now is we've got all the buckets. We've got all the full four authorities. So we need to put lists. Who's going to get killed? Who's going to be kidnapped and taken to Guantanamo and who's going to be under the Department of Justice Investigative and separate. Now here's why I say that. Larry, you need to understand that the DOJ and many of these DEA and FBI people, they want to continue to do the same thing they've always done for 50 years and die a rest, slow roll. This will never end. Now does that mean we're stopping drug trafficking? Believe it or not, if you start chasing that as we have for 50 years, you're going to do the same thing and have no results. We have to be lightning focused on going after these organizations to crush them and also just so you know, that's where some of the biggest wins are. The biggest wins by far because we're not stopping crime in Mexico. We are taking away a capability, it has the ability to overrun nations. And one of the things that really has hit me when I've been down there, talking with the leadership and interviewing them, we're all on the same page with that. So I come back at times and I say to myself, my God, we have so much in common that we and the Mexican government are willing to accomplish together if we can just unify efforts. And there's a lot of reasons why we have been failing on our side that no one talks about. And I think those things are very important. Jason, you just said there were kind of three buckets. Those who need to be killed, those who go to Gitmo and those who fall under the DOJ. What do you mean Gitmo and those who need to be killed? Like how can you say that? Well, I can say that because there are some people that in order to get them, that's just the way it's going to have to be. And that goes back to how strong they have become. And one of the other problems that we have here is that the problem is so massive, we can't use the DOJ model. Now we can in some arenas, but that's part of the issue right now. We've got to get away from a department of justice only model and spread that problem set out so that we can truly have success against it. And the chemists and the damage they're conducting is a great example of that. Now from that, though, it's all about going after the network and being laser focused to go after them and go after these bankers go after these rotten lawyers who many run the organizations, people would be stunned by on the backside and really attack just those those. That is the difference here, Lera. It's not about chasing drugs. It's not about chasing aliens, well, the organizations. We have to crush this network. And for the listener, that is a very easy thing to do that makes some them. But that's something that we really haven't done outside of a DOJ model until now. So you're saying go outside of the DOJ model and put some of these people in Gitmo, some of the financiers, these kind of people. Do what I'm trying to is leverage all capabilities, leverage all capabilities because what you're going to learn in the debriefs from these lawyers and from these bankers and from these CPAs and the people who really what we call the company, it's a whole different level and the politicians, right? These are the real people who are pulling the strings behind the scenes and those are who we have to be laser focused on. That's how we would. That is a whole different side than what we've been able to attack. You know, we've been able to go after the capos and very small groups and individuals. But what happens is there's no speed in that process, Lera. Our Department of Justice was never designed to take on the world's problems. As you see domestically, it can't even keep up with the problems we have now here domestically. So you have to break that old cycle and that old model and internally, you still have old systems hanging on for dear life. Well, it's too late. It's over. You failed. And now we've lived on far beyond. And what you mean is kind of it's not like we've never gone after the financiers before, right? It's not like we've never gone after the money men. But what you're seeing is using the Department of Justice to go after that is just such a lengthy process that it's been completely ineffective because in spite of the hard work, you know, of many people who've done great stuff. And the reality is when you look at it, the cartels have multiplied using that watch, right? Using that metastasis. Exactly. That's exactly. And when you take the how volatile these drugs are today and you see the breadth and scope of these cartels, you have to put speed in the system. And our Department of Justice was never designed for that. The problem is that that's not communicated. And a great example is that is look at some of these cases. Operation Dosekies close friends of mine who have worked for 20 years. Now they took down the Zadas. But the Zadas were just replaced by another group and it just continued. So the modeling is what needs to change. And that's where we're going now. But those old systems, Lara, are hanging on for dear life. And it's they've got to let go. And we've got to have great leadership through it. And to the viewers, they need to know this is absolutely fixable and winnable when we start going back after these cartels and using these new models. And that's what I'm trying to get to along with bringing in the people who really understand the cartels because there's just not many left. And they've been scattered to the winds in the federal system. Okay. So just to finish up here, what you're really talking about goes back to the terrorist designation, right? That's what gives American agencies the authority to go beyond law enforcement models. That's right. That's one of them. And that's why if you see how President Trump has stacked authorities, right? He's bombing boats in South America, not under the terrorism designation. He's doing that under Article II of the United States Constitution, the ultimate power. So he's stacking authorities and then what you have to do is break out of the DOJ model and use all of those other authorities and how to take these people out in which bucket are you going to put them in? And also, where do they fit in that as you go after the company and remove them from from these organizations? Well, you can also, for the first time right, the US Treasury Department can put sanctions on cartel leaders because people mock the sanctions. But the reality is if you're an individual who is sanctioned, you can't travel anymore. You can't do business with any kind of banks. You can't go into business, open up companies, you know, buy real estate in your name. And the US has a habit of sanctioning entire families, right? When they when they go off to people say, for example, Russian mob, right? You can designate, you can sanction someone that's in the mafia, but then sanction everybody else in the family. So these are very powerful tools, especially when leveraged against individuals. Now, nations, you know, can argue that they found ways around it, but this has never happened to cartel leaders. Has it? Well, in fairness, you know, we have never had any sanctions that have proven successful through this model because you got to remember, there's tens of thousands of these people. They own the bank slayer. They work right around the rules. So while I'm all about using every authority and every capability, including sanctions, I'm all about it. But we have to break outside that model of just trying to target one area. We're in a whole new world here and we need speed in the system. And that's the very, this is the critical point to the American people who are listening right now. This is what the new authorities give us. The problem is we're trying that we've got to break away from the old habits and remind the Department of justice. You had this. You failed. Now we're moving on from. And I'm not saying get away from it completely because you still need a lot of it, but it's a bucket list. You were not in all the buckets anymore. You're not in full control, which is where a lot of people in law enforcement don't like, right? So that's why you get resistance from inside some of those agencies. Boy, yeah. Well, in changing models, changing mindset, and it's all coming from failure, it's not optional anymore. It's not optional. Get out of the way or we will get you out of the way. We're not going anywhere. They have to change. Americans are dying. People in Mexico are dying. And our hemisphere is on fire. So we have to really break these new policies down. Set the national strategy for how we're going to go specifically after the cartels and go after them and get them. Okay. So this is an interesting question for you. A long ago told me that Mexico is a narco state. Now that you've spent time, Mexico has a new leader, Claudia Shambam. You've spent time with Mexican special operations. Do you still feel like Mexico is an narco state? Of course, absolutely. But she and the administration are brand new. You know, a lot of people forget this. They came in and inherited a mess two months before President Trump. And I was excited about it. I wanted to explain why. Because for the first time in a very long time, you know, they have six year runs we have four. So you know, when one new leader comes in, you've got all this baggage for how they were managing things before. Two new leaders, two new administrations, our two nations side to side. And we saw it got a little rough there at first. But look at what they've accomplished. Larry, it's unprecedented. You know, she has released almost a hundred capos into the United States that they had in their prisons. These are things we try to get done for decades. This is part of the old broken model that I'm trying to say we have to get away from because what we're getting from those debriefs is stunning. It's the keys to the kingdom. That allows the CIA, all of the Intel components to truly focus on all the money and all the financiers on all the corruption. Now it's a matter of putting that in the right bucket to use those authorities to go after and completely destroy these organizations. And thanks to President Trump, we've got it. We have this model. But we have to break away from the old model and the old way and get this new strategy underway after these cartels. And we're getting there. We are getting there. Okay, so final question. This is a rough one. Are there, are you witnessing elements within the United States, within our own intelligence agencies like the CIA that are getting in the way of some of these operations? Yes. Well, that's a hundred percent. Well, that's why that's why I'm frustrated. I mean, we should be miles down the road. And it's all about control. You know, I think there's a lot of good people who mean what? But at the same time, you got people who want control of operations. You want to singularize process and I'm all about process. You need to know that. I really am. But what you have to understand about Mexico is that for decades, everyone played in this game, local state, federal law enforcement in the United States, tried to do everything we could under a DOJ investigative model to go after them. Now, you can't push them all aside and say, well, if you don't have clearances and you don't go through this one single pipe, you don't matter anymore. We could be miles down the road. And so that has to be fixed. And I think it's going to be now they've had a great win here. My sincere congratulations to all of those components in the US intelligence agencies who did this. And I truly mean that. But we've got to get some things fixed. There are operations that were conducted in 25 that we should have captured some of these people. But because of just straight out arrogance within the agency, we didn't. And I think these are things that will get worked out. But mistakes were made. And I'm all about saying, look, you know, that's okay. Let's get through it. But you can't take the best of the best of something and shut them down for so many times when they finally just say, forget I'm going to promote and transfer out. And that's what many of them are doing because we don't have many of these people who have the historical knowledge to understand if you take down these individuals, what does that be in the sea and the consequences and how the families are so important to who the next person will be and why you take out who when you do it. That is an art that takes 20 years of experience. And we've lost that capability in the United States. Well, let's hope we get some of those good people back. I know that you're one of them Jason. We appreciate so much your time and your knowledge, your experience and your expertise on this. Every time you answer a question, I learn something from you and I love that, right? Because I think people really love to learn. But this is also something that is, it isn't just about, you know, a smoking dope at a street corner, right? Because it's cool. This is about national security and about much more significant things. The cartels are operating all across the United States. It's not just inside of Mexico and it is way past time to deal with these things. So thank you. Thank you very, very much. And of course, we'll be staying in touch and staying on top of this and look forward to hearing more from you. Thank you, Larry. It's great to be with you. And I'd like to close as I started to those soldiers who lost your buddies and your fellow comrades into the Mexican military. God bless you. Thank you for what you did because make no doubt. Those men going into harm's way. It has definitely made a difference for us all. And Larry, this is the beginning. Now it begins. Great to be with you. Thank you so much. You know what to do if you're out there, like, share, subscribe, get as many people as you can to hear the wise words of Jason Jones and understand what is really happening in Mexico with the killing of El Mencho, head of the cartel CJNG. And of course, if you want to support our work, support independent journalism, you can go to laralookan.com. And you can donate there, but most importantly, get the word out to as many people as possible. And as always, thank you for being bold enough to go rogue with laralookan.