Carrie, Cult Classics & Chaos: A Sit Down with Matthew Lillard

Hey, weirdos. I'm Ash. I'm Alena. I'm Josh Hartnett and this is morbid This with Matt and Lillard cosplaying as Josh Hartnett how handsome am I so handsome so handsome. Yeah as Josh Of course, that's what I was talking about. That's who you are today. I loved you in that M night channel on Which one was that? What was it called? The trap the trap. You know, you don't really love my work If you really love my work, you would have said Wicker Park Wicker Park We also start. He also starts with I also start with I start I have a problem with my I don't identify as a he she I identify as a Josh Hartnett Those are good that's your last period. Yeah, I don't now we're set up. But no, we're set it now. We know. Yeah, I love working with Matthew Lillard He's so dreamy. He really is incredible. Chin everyone says that That's what Josh Hartnett would say about Matthew Lillard. I feel like you're right. Yeah, I will say this I did this move. I did that movie Wicker Park and it was Roseburn him and Diana Krueger And the we were in Montreal, which is a very sexy city and They all sat there and like smoke cigarettes and they talked about art because they're super cool I have never wanted to be a Secret smoker that in my life and I would like to watch all these beautiful people just like Just blackening their Wings Yes, but that has never looked sorry and some it looks cool. So they were so beautiful. They're all beautiful. Oh, yeah I could smoking has never has been such a yeah, but then you can just think about their lungs being like Do you when you cut open a body and somebody's a cigarette smoker? Do you can you see it? Oh, yeah, oh She tells me stories I Sit back the autopsy time. She it's how I got her to stop smoking cigarettes. You smoke. Yeah, that was a good teenager. Yeah, so dangerous Was it did you feel sexy? No, I felt stressed You could you ain't caught? No, I was you knew I was gonna catch me. Yeah, yeah, it did get like a little buzz Huh, yeah, but you don't want to do it. Yeah, that's not like a that's not a p.m Yeah, your lungs will look like shit if you do it They really well, but then they regenerate right, but it takes a little while our mind regenerated now. Oh, yeah You're probably good love though, but yeah, they look like rotted And they're shriveling wait. Why are you here? Don't you guys normally shoot somewhere else? Yeah at our house Where's your house? It's lit. It's in Massachusetts. How's Massachusetts? Where are Massachusetts? What have I come by later for dinner? No, not at all. Um, how are you doing this? Why did you start this? She was an autopsy tech and she's creepy and I needed a job She hasn't cut up bodies in a few years. Are you still doing it? You're just doing this. No, and I miss it There's people die every day They do Opportunity for you I could always go back right in yeah literally Literally find the mind in Pasadena who's a mortician. Yeah, morticians are even better. Well, that's like the whole Preparation of the body and take out the fluids Yeah, but even if like you catch somebody who's taken their life or hurt Mortally wounded in a sword fight. Of course you prepare them for burial. Yeah, it's a pretty crazy He was has been picking up bodies since he was in high school You'd have a beeper go off and be like I go get a body just like in the middle of math class Yeah, cuz he's like it was it's his family business. Yeah, he said he loves that. Yeah, you love that family business I always school you just leave to pick up bodies. That's did an event in Kansas. Yeah, and the guy that picked me up was like I got picked up in a limo and it was like a speaking event And no Oklahoma. Sorry. It was Oklahoma I got it was Oklahoma City and I'm like oh, I have this is gonna be kind of crazy to go see Oklahoma City and He picked me up in a limo and I'm he's like yeah, I have to go back to work I'm like aren't you the driver's like no, I'm a mortician On the side gig. Yeah, picking up famous people. Yeah, maybe not that famous side hustle. That's pretty cool. Well, isn't yeah That's pretty good treats and a lie, you know, yeah, that's good. Yeah, I like that Yeah, what's the other thing people would be surprised about that you see as you open a body that everything looks the same color For the most part except your gallbladder. It's green you Yeah, look at that here on morbid you learn something every episode. Yeah, sure do I think people think they're all different colors because in like an anatomy book all the organs are like different colors But it's all one big splash. Yeah, brat like if you had a like what color what what pantone is the inside of your guts a good question It's can you get pantone chart? It's like a putrid. Oh, that's a terrible word first of all I mean, it's putrid mauvey mauvey mauvey mauvey. Oh, yeah, they got they got like a ugly eggplant. Yeah, like I'm really like Can you imagine walking somebody's brand new kitchen? I'm like, oh, I love the When you cut open a head, uh-huh, what's it smell like? What's it smell? Here's the problem. I have a deviated septum. So I was it was the best job for me because I can't smell very well What's it's not the same as everything else it tastes The smell tastes like something though It smells stays in your throat. So it feels like later you can taste it. What is it taste like? It's a well a lot of times you'll get like a chemically taste Yeah, but it's also a sewer-y kind of taste. Hey, that's the best way I can describe you did this. We weren't gonna talk about this We were not gonna do this. Well, I am not interested to talk about me Let's rather talk about true crimes and that's what you guys are known for. Yeah, it is what we know. That's why I'm here Well, yeah, let me ask you a conflict of interest Okay, let me ask K as you couple questions. Of course you can. I very much want to host the podcast someday You're you can use this one. Yeah, no in general like I want to you should create it own a podcast hell Yeah, and you guys are super popular. They're like you want to do morbid? Oh my god. I don't know what that is I'm not podcast podcast guy. Yeah, and if I do it's usually politically based but I've just not that guy Now you can listen to morbid. I'm really I like first of all I've been here eight minutes. I love you both. Oh my god. Thank you. We love you I really like you two of you when you walked it you did. Yeah, it's true We're immediately disarming. Well, you never know what to expect when you meet someone. Yeah. Sometimes it's awkward Immediately you were just like hey, let's hang. Yeah. I do think that celebrity sometimes or Oh intent. I don't know if it's intentional, but intentionally a loop. Yeah, or they did just sort of like I Yeah, I have lots of thoughts about that. I got what do you guys want to talk about we're gonna talk about Carrie. Oh great I love it. And everything else that you've done too. Yeah, not everything but a lot a lot of stuff. Yeah, we would be here for days There's a lot right when you like start really looking to the the amount of stuff I've done. It's right. It's bonkers Yeah, but we'll start with you. It's really shitty. You were in my catch. I rest my kiss Billy Boobie. She's all that There's lots of the dancing. I actually don't have anything about the dancing. I know I have to just address it Yeah, I love that and that's it. Yeah, just the dancing. Yeah, yeah, I love that scene You know, it's fine. People always ask me like is was that improv? I was gonna ask you that yeah, nothing in Hollywood's improv that makes sense like that whole thing took You know weeks to practice Every one of those shots takes like, you know, 45 minutes is set up So nothing is like it looked like you were just flowing. Do you still know that dance? Watch this shit. Let's see it I'm actually cute up the song. I mean, I'm sure I could watch it Fall right back into it. I love dancing. Yeah. Yeah, I love to dance. You're great. Yeah, you are That's a great scene. You're welcome. You're welcome. All right. Let's talk about that. Yeah, great So we're gonna start with talking about how I've heard that this version of Carrie's way closer to the Stephen King novel version You guys haven't seen it, huh? We just started I watched the first episode last night. Okay, look good. And can I just say something right now? So the Carrie, yeah, the girl who plays Carrie looks like so I have 10 year-old twins of a seven year-old She looks like an older version of one of my twins Oh, and she also like acts like her like has the same manner of manners. He has a facial expression watching her That close-up of her when she's like agonized in the locker room shattered. Oh, I saw I'm done Yeah, yeah, like the bullying scenes with her. She killed me - No, this made me so happy, I don't know, that made me like emotional, yeah. - Maybe this is, I am so proud of the show. - You should be, it's incredible. - It's very little to do with me. But the woman that plays carry her name somewhere, H-Hell, and she is, they auditioned 1,400 girls. - Wow. - Women. And they found, the system worked. And it's like one of the things that the system didn't work. She submitted a tape a month later, like she submitted another tape, two months later she submitted another tape, and then she started to catch fire, and then she appeared. - She passed. - She started to shoot a mic, and then she's like, "Oh," and she told the story this morning. I'm finally done. No, she auditioned one last time, like this is going to mic, and she's like, "Okay, good, I've got the weekend off, and make here something on Monday." And 20 minutes later, she was pulling herself a bath, and mic-flanding and called back. - My God, I want you to do it again right now, and I want you to find emotion in these scenes. - She found it. - And she did it, and like on April 1st, she got the job. - Oh my God. - Imagine getting that job offer. - I was sure I was going to say, "I'm so nervous, I thought you were pulling my leg." - She is simply remarkable, but she is effortlessly brilliant the entire show. - It comes across, even just in the first episode, every facial expression she makes when she's just like, even sure and agonized, like people aren't telling her what's going on. I was like, it was like destroying the idea that you don't know you're having your period. - Yes. - And the idea that you immediately go to "I am done." - No one's ever told you about that. - And why would you not think you're dying? - Right, you know. - Here was this blood. - Yeah. - I mean, it's really, and the thing I just want to say, this idea that she makes faces is not what she's doing. She is zero conception of what she's doing. - It's just what's happening. - It's just, yeah, it's so real. - An actor in flow. An actor who's a really brilliant actor has zero consideration. - It's just like organic. - They're just responding. They're here listening, responding, and the energy is contagious. - You can see that with her. - And she's remarkable. And then at the same time, Sam Sloyen, who plays her mother, as you continue through this journey, you're going to be like, this woman is literally one of the best actors working today. And has been for a long time, just nobody sees it. And here comes her performance of a lifetime. And my hope is that if for no other reason, you should watch this show for their two performances. Because as the show grows, the story continues to evolve. The story's brilliant. My flanting is an incredible filmmaker. But these two performances are remarkable. - Oh yeah, because she plays Beverly in Midnight Mass. - Incredible, right? - And Midnight Mass is my favorite. - Midnight Mass. - Oh my God. - That's how I found Mike. Mike and I had lunch, got along great. He's like, I'm like, what, and I told him, I'll be honest with you. I don't know any of you, what do you think I should watch? He's like, try Midnight Mass. - I love that, because that's my favorite. - I haven't seen it yet, but we're going to watch it together. - It's really good. - And she plays a character. And in fact, because Ash watched Carey for like a first episode first, and she was like, waiting to see her mother. Her mother is the perfect, like perfectly cast. And as Suni said it, she was like, oh my God, she's some bodies. And I was like, I wonder if it's the woman who played Bev in Midnight Mass. Like, I just knew it. I was like, it sounds like it. And I looked it up and I was like, yep, that was her. - You know, it's fun that we went to Comic Con for the first time. Sandy and you were Comic Con. And if you've never been to Comic Con, it's like this. Have you guys done Comic Con? - We haven't. - You should. - I know, I kind of watched. - You guys loved it. - Next year, check out Weirdos. Come check out the podcast at Comic Con. It's going to be awesome. - We'll be there. - We're going to do a live show. - Yeah. - It's going to be Fowl. - Oh yeah. - You're reading us. - She, her and Mike, had never done Comic Con. - Really? - And when we came out, we had a whole age. We had a massive hall. I don't think we did a whole age. It was a huge hall. And it was packed. And both Mike and Sam were met with this fervor. - Oh yeah. - The dance they should. - I mean, Mike understands it, but I don't think Sam's ever really heard that firsthand. - Right. - And they show this the first time he's screened like a clip, scenes, it was awesome. - That's so cool. - It was awesome. - And I love them both. - Yeah. - And so it's been great to see her get her flower. - Yeah. - Definitely. - I love Mike Flanagan. I know. - I was so excited that he had this. Like, he was in control of this. - Yeah. - Of course, it's going to be good. - I want you to know something. He is better than you think. - I love hearing that. - You're actually incredible. - Oh, that makes me so happy. - It's okay to tell you something. I don't know if it's going to land. And I don't know if it'll land with the podcast world. But we show up. First of all, you never have a rehearsal. - First of all, does anyone care about this? If I talk about Carrie for one more second. - Yes. - Okay. - Oh yeah. We have plenty of them. - Please go. - If it gets boring, just cut it. - Yeah. - We'll just. - It's a good chance. You're never gonna see this because I'm. - It's on the cutting room boring, man. - No way. - So yeah, so you never. So many times that you do a TV show, you'll get your script, you'll get the pilot, you'll read that as you go into the work. Like, two days before you're starting to shoot the next episode, along comes the next script. When we signed up, we had all eight scripts. - Oh wow. - When we got there, we had three and a half months of rehearsal before the start of Carrie. The first time we walked into rehearsal, Mike Flanagan said, "We're gonna do these scenes. The idea here is that you get to know each other, but we get these scenes on their feet." He's like, "Okay, in this scene, the first time we work, he's like, we're gonna shoot it on this day. The time that we're gonna shoot it is between this time and this time. On these first five lines, I'm gonna be on this take, and then I'm gonna reverse here. You're gonna be sitting there, and then these lines, I'm gonna be on her." And then these lines are gonna be on a wide. So, he already knows where it lives in the cut, at what time he's gonna shoot it, on what day, five months before we shoot, a month before we shoot a single frame. - That's crazy. - Wow. - I heard there was an app too that you did. - Yeah, that's really cool. - I literally published an app, so you could see every day where you were. - Isn't incredible. - That's at next level. - Yeah. - I've got more people to do that, right? - Well, nobody has that capacity. I've never seen anything like that in my life. - Why do you think he does? - Because he starts. - That's what you're talking about. - You deserve that. - Moral support. How long do you think we're gonna hold hands before this gets uncomfortable? - This is the whole time. - Let's try it. - We'll just have to scroll. - Listen, listen. - He. - I lost my train of thought. - It's been a long time since I've hold a stranger's hand. - You got down there. - This is the end of God's Word. - True correct. - That's so awkward. - You guys, you were sitting close. - We don't have that. - It was gonna bother. - But yeah, you never, you never have that kind of. I've never seen. I'm sure maybe it happened somewhere else. So I'm gonna do it. Always hate me. I'm like, "Christopher's Hole." - I love it. - Because it's so weird. - He is in advance. - He started for over a second. - He did it first. - Yeah, yeah. - But he's remarkable and kind. And he lays down these rules. The rules are no phones on set. Don't be late. And no sides. A lot of times actors come to set. And they'll have their sides. So there's like this safety net. He's like, "This is not what we do here." - Oh, I like that. - And come and you're ready to work. - He's like, "This is not a middle school dance. You can't be on sides." - Yeah. - We did a, we did this huge scene where there's like 400 extras. I have a speech in front of this community. And no sides. Which is like, you know, you're nervous. Your body, your instrument's responding and your adrenaline's rushing. And you're like, you know, sometimes things just slip out. - Yeah. - That happens to you. - Uh, yeah. - What do you mean? - I'm very old. Things slip out all the time. - I'm only 30 and that happens to me too. So as soon as I hit 40, that really started happening. - Yeah. - You've never really had a filter. - No, it's an effort. It's not for birth, yeah. - Well, staying on carry. Because first of all, again, I love Mike Flynn again. So I'm so happy to hear that he's who I thought he was. - The best. - Like who I know. That is true. - So I was reading that you also have a somewhat personal connection to some of the struggles that carry my go through with her peers. - Sure, I had my period. I didn't know what it was. - Yeah. That's, I want to talk about that. I want to know about that. - Locker is a tough thing. - But what resonated most. - Oh my God, are you talking about? I'm like, I was an obese teenager who has severe learning disability. I had braces and glasses. I came from Detroit, Michigan to Orange County, California. - Damn, that's a tough thing. - Yes, and I was his drag kid who was in drama. I mean, the amount of F-bombs. - Oh, you were probably awesome. - Oh my God. - Tell me, F-bombs, you catch in the mid '80s about being an actor. - In the drama club. - You know, and listen. - I'll fight them for you. - I'll retroact to be fight them. - You know, it's funny. - I was not like I didn't have friends. I had a ton of friends, but all of my friends were those little punk rock kids and drama kids and all these kids that were sort of outside of the popular bubble. And I've always seen myself. I think that once you struggle with weight, especially as a kid, you always identify as that. You know, and my mom and dad worked full time and my dad started his own business and they just worked. And so we were raised on a steady diet, a fast food and crap that we ate because we were poor, working class poor and no time and no energy. And my mom and dad were both obese. from Detroit and so, you know, it was a brutal experience, but that allowed me to find my voice, to be funny, to find a charm because how do you pass a class if you can't do it, you charm the shit out of everyone, how do you not get your ass kicked, you're funnier than the guy next to you who's getting his ass kicked, you know, and so, you know, it's survival. So that's all high school, is this survival, yeah, I feel like you're in your highs, like, junior highs worse. I think especially for girls. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I do think that, I mean, you know, listen, I have two kids, I have, you know, I have three kids, I have a girl who's now 24, I have a non-binary kid who's 21 and then 18 year old boy. So I've seen like every iterate like story, like, and it continues. Yeah. It's hard for everyone. I think that boys have more bravado to cover the stuff, right? That makes sense. Yeah. And they sports to like sort of like, but I, you know, it's there. It's a struggle for all of this. It's a struggle for everyone. Yeah, it really is. Yeah. Well, going back to Mike Flanagan, he takes this. Do you think that that is why some of the reason that you found this podcast world, like, oh, yeah. Yeah. I think partially because we always say you're the table or we're the table that anybody can sit up. Yeah. And that's why we call our listeners weirdos. You know, like, it's like a place where we can often and talk about weird topics with a chain, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See, that's why. Oh, that's why I'm here. Yeah. That's why you like us. You fit it. Yeah. I'm immediately like, yeah. Yeah. I'm not like one of you, but I'm not going to tell you which one. I think I know which one. I think I don't know. I don't know. I like you. I adore you both. Okay. I don't like that fucking guy. I don't know that guy. That's Mikey. You know, Mikey is smiling in his heart. I see him. He's from Canada. No, he doesn't. He's from Canada. He's from Canada. There's no violence. He's in his heart. All right. Yeah. What about that guy? I can't read him yet. Hmm. He's a film guy. He knows. He knows. You know what it is. He's very smart. I don't like those. I can see. Look at his glasses. I see your glasses. Sure. Off camera. He's. You can't see them. But you know them. Yeah. I like that. You're also very successful. Thank you. Thank you. And I think that. And I think that's because you welcome everyone to the table. Yeah. We try. So yeah. I think. And. I think it's important to build other people up. Yeah. You can't get up to the top if you're like kicking everyone else down on the way up. I think more people need to do that. Yeah. I think especially as women again. Exactly. We need to do that. Yeah. But I want to. Why especially as women? In fact, I would say. I would argue. Like kicking people down. Yeah. Right. I mean, yeah. Should stop kicking people down. I think women kicking people. Yeah. Yeah. Just stop it. Especially. But I think as women, we put each other down a lot. You know what I mean? So I think we need to be more like, hey, like come be at the top with me. Yeah. Yeah. There's no competition. We can all be here. Yeah. Well, yeah. The world is bound to full. Yeah. That was one of the things I always struggled with. I've been talking about this like in this last cycle of press with Carrie. I mean, I lived with Paul Rudd for two years. Wow. That's wild. That's so cool. That's a wild thing to do. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, we were both in the same acting school. And we were, we had three roommates. This is him and I. And this guy named Dalton Grant. But I was for the longest time. So jealous of his success. Yeah. That it really was hard. It really hindered my own appreciation or joy of my own. Mm-hmm. That I always compared myself. At the comparison. And at the end of the day, it was so detrimental. Oh, yeah. To my mental health, to my approach to the work. I mean, it was really brutal. He has no idea what he does right now. He's so nice. He's so nice. And I was like, it's so jealous. Yeah. And so insecure. We've all been there. But then once you realize that, you can move on from it. Yeah. You can break out of it. And at least you realize it in the next one. That's why I'm talking about it. I think it feels good. Yeah. It feels good. It feels good. Yeah. It feels good. Yeah. I feel older. I get the more I can let go of my own idiosyncratic bullshit. Yeah. I turned 30 this year and I feel like I'm stepping closer to not really caring. What other people think. Yeah. We do get to 50. She says, wait till you get to 40. I mean, 50 is like, I mean, when do I care? Yeah. I can't really get in there. Yeah. But I also think that it's not like a few. No. It's really like there. You grow. I do. And I like this word a lot. And I say it a lot. When I teach and when I speak about acting and craft. I love the word wisdom. Like you have a sense of wisdom. You just don't have it 30. Yeah. And I'm not. You don't have it. You know, maybe you do. I won't. Who am I to say people find wisdom. Or they own or own their own wisdom. But for me, I was like around 50. I was like, it seems. It sounds arrogant. Like I have a I have a wisdom about me. I don't think so. But I've been acting since I was 14. And I've been a lot of different people. Yeah. I've done a lot of different things. I've done a lot of classes and a lot of plays and a lot of everything. Yeah. I mean, you like it really helped me to sort of acknowledge the fact like, oh, I'm a master of what I do. Yeah. Only because the amount of time. Yeah. Not the quality. Which we'll get into as we discuss my filmography. But you know, you learn over time. Like you have a sense of of yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Craft and the business and the journey and the whole thing. Yeah. And it always feels like arrogance. But I think more people need to give themselves a pat on the back. Yeah. And when you like figure out like, you know what, I'm good at this. Or like, I do know more about this. Yeah. Even you say that. I go, no, it's not that bad. But it's okay to admit that. I know, but yeah. It feels weird. Because we're taught, I think, not to do that. Oh, well, it's to be humble. Yeah. And I don't think you really need to be that while admitting that you're good at this thing and being like, I know this stuff. Yeah. And I will say this. I have such deep tendencies. And Mike Flanagan will see this. And Sam Sloyen will someday see this. But I've such deep tendencies to slag myself off. Right? This idea. The other guy, I am self-deprecating to a fault. Oh, yes. I am the same exact way. Yeah. And I want to say to you and to me that so does not serve. No, no, no, it doesn't. It doesn't serve you at all. Because the bullshit you say to yourself sticks. No, you're so right. I call myself fat constantly. Yeah. Or I'm an outsider. I mean, all this language is so stupid. Because it trains your brain to believe it. Yeah. I was just going to say that when you crack open ahead. Yeah. You can see it written all over everything in your brain. Yeah. I think like the beginning of this podcast to now, I used to make fun of myself so much more often in the beginning. I used to call myself trash in the beginning. Yeah. And I do. I'm still trash. Yeah. Yeah. Because my name's Ash. I can't spell Ash. I can't spell trash without Ash. That's good. And I like like a Captain Crunch Slurpee. So like. You keep your mouth shut. You just don't want to know. Oh, dear. I mean, you can get more. You can. I have not had fun. She said, I see what that says. I just don't understand. Yeah. Oh, what's that? Oh, I thought you said, I look like a slurpee. I thought you said, I'm almost deaf. I thought you'd talk. I thought you said. I'm like a burger king slurpee or whatever you said. I thought you were just excited. I said, I used to drink Captain Crunch Slurpee. I think he said I look like a Captain Punch Slurpee. And I was like, I don't even know what he's saying. I don't know either. But it doesn't sound good. No, it doesn't. You should never call yourself that. I will never compare myself. I'm not going to recover from that. What about you? I was like, you do kind of look like a slurpee. I mean, like, well, not be a little hurt. I guess I know what you're like. See. Why don't you leave, thank you? Let's get this man out. Let's bring it back to me. All right. Let's bring it back to you. I want your opinion on that. Is it the most chaotic? It's great. But I'm having a good time. We expected nothing. The weird is you'd be like, I hate that too little. No crying like laugh cry. That's good. Anything on this podcast ever made you cry? Yes. The Chris Watts case. Yeah. The what case? He was more recent. I probably will. If I think about it, he's a family and I. He's a family and I and he had two very young daughters. And I cried. It's so. And I cried. And I'm not a cryer. I don't know how you bring down. It's tough. And I'm not a cryer. Usually I say that like I should cry more. I'm one of those people that's crying. Stop myself from crying. Don't you think that that? It's not good. Don't you? I mean, when you're cutting people up, like something you've got to detach. There's got to some kind of emotional detachment. Absolutely. And you're not sure. Yeah. It does not serve. No, because then I take it into my life. I mean, I will say this as an actor for better or for worse, you remove the barriers for energy that is emotion. And I have had to apologize to my children, my wife, multiple times for being, when I get angry, I get really. Yeah. It's not. I'm like, I don't, it's, I just the energy comes screaming out. You don't bury emotions. You lean into them also. Within that, I love with all of my heart. - Yeah, like every mission, I enjoy people deeply. Like, I mean, there's lots of good things. And in the work, the older I get, the closer I am to the energy, which makes me, you know, I think it's, it serves my work. - Yeah. - But there have been times in my life where I just-- - Not so much. - Not so much. - Too much energy. - But now I have opposite side, where I have to like apologize for not being emotional enough. - Oh, yeah, that's the word. I think that's why, I think that's why harder. - But you're getting better. - I'm trying. - I think. - When somebody cries in front of me, I literally don't know what to do. - And I cry a lot. - Yeah. - That shuts me right down. - Yeah, I have a friend of mine who called me up. He's a lovely man and I adore him. And he called me up and said, "I have a problem." I'm like, what? He's like, "When people get emotional around me, I laugh." He's like, "What acting tricks do you have?" - I also will do that sometimes. - Yeah, what acting tricks do I have? Do you have that help me do it? I'm like, first of all, you have to acknowledge you're doing it. - Yeah. - Right? And I think that in that acknowledgement, you have to say, "I'm really sorry." And when I get uncomfortable, I laugh. And it's just energy. - That's brilliant. - And all it is your body going, "I want to cry, but instead I'm going to laugh." - 'Cause this is easier for me. - Easier. - 'Cause I can pick this up quicker. - And all of the things that inhibit your crying are really deep things. - Yeah. - 'Cause it's about. - Is your nervous system? - Yeah, protecting itself. - Yeah. - But it's also like, "I don't want to cry because a week, I don't want to be weak." I don't like all kinds of stigmas are translating that. - Yeah, 'cause you're always telling me, if I like, "Go to Alex, stop myself." And she's like, "Will you just let it out?" Like, "Light it crack, you're swallowing it." I'm like, "No, no." And then you're getting embarrassed. - Yeah. - You know what you do in that situation? Just make it sound. - Just, yeah, that's true. - I like that. - If you make it sound. - Oh, it's like sing a song. - Oh, it's just sing a song. - I don't think I've ever heard you sing. - Yeah. - I don't know if she's not a singer. (laughs) (upbeat music) - We're so nervous. - What the hell are we, what the hell are we talking about? - How did we get here? - I know. Let's bring us back to carry for a minute. - A minute back. - All right, so we're gonna talk about your guy, Mike Flanagan. He took this story. - This is a seven-part episode. - It is. - We can use it for a couple of episodes. - Yeah, we can do two-parter, you know? But Mike took this story that's almost 50 years old and he kind of takes this modern approach to it. Like, modernized social media, the high school you're walking in through metal detectors. What part of that modernization felt the most scary to you as the story goes on? - I mean, I think that every parent out there or kid will be able to identify with the horrors that is this specter of social media, right? I mean, again, going back to this example that we use, which is in the first to Palma version of carry, having your first period and amongst girls in the shower, is a brutal experience. In fact, that that would then be photographed and videoed and then placed online for social media for people to see. - Forever. - Forever, and it never goes away. And that, the horror of that, the impact of that, the damage that would do to kids. - Yeah. - And listen, there's so many kids out there that have this horrific experience that, you know, is really horrific, it's really horrible. And so to me, that's the thing that, and that is the, you know, sort of the fulcrum of the whole piece. Once this social media anonymous social media post goes up, the whole story changes. And it's actually, I mean, Mike Flanagan, there's a town in California, this actually happened. And the school, it was destroying the school. And it's an anonymous social media post. The school's like, we can't do anything about it. They didn't know who the kids were that were doing it. They were outing people across and the whole community. Like, there was a riot broke out. It's in California somewhere. - Wow. - And he was like, that is, that is a horror story. - Yeah, that's my only reason. - So he's built this whole, the whole movie pivots on this anonymous social media account. - Right, and it fits perfectly into the story. I feel like. - Oh yeah. - Like, Flops right in there. - Mike Flanagan, he went to Stephen King, who he's visiting Stephen King today, actually. - I'm so sorry. - Yeah, we need to get you to Stephen. - I'm so close to Stephen. - We just sent Alaina's books to Stephen. - We have like one degree away getting there. Alaina's also an author. - Yeah. - Oh, amazing. That's cool. - So he just got my books. And I was like, please read it. - That's so cool. - He's probably up in our life. - Oh yeah. - Oh, you and I should talk about something. - Yeah. - I like that. - Yeah, I have a, I have a spirit company called Find Familiar Spirits. - Yeah. - We produce a product called Macabre Spirits. - Yeah. - And we have a new Vella. - We develop a novella with writers. - It's so cool. - We get art from these beautiful artists, that sort of they read the story and then they create the art. And then we create a spirit experience around the short story. - I'm obsessed with that. - Yeah, I'll send you a bottle. - Oh my god, I love that. - I'll send you a bottle. - Thank you. - That's so cool. - Yeah, you're welcome. - So anyway, so Flanagan pulled social media out to me, that's the chore of the story. - I think so too. It's like it's own character, you know? - Yeah. - Well, you play a principal, Grail, and he's one of the adults watching this all unfold. Do you think as the story progresses, he's somebody that genuinely sees Carey and like understands her? Or do you think he's somebody who ultimately ends up failing her? Or both? - Yeah, I think he does here. I think he does everything he can in this moment to usher, not only her through safely through this event, but the entire community. He's really trying to get, he doesn't want, he doesn't want to lose a single kid. - Right. - And at the heart of this story, the same way it's in the King novel, and in all the iterations is Chris Harginson, played by Ali Thornton, who's fantastic. She's a brilliant actor. She is the one that every, and every turn keeps ratcheting up all the drama and the story. At every single time, I'm like, you have to stop. This, my character is the one basically begging her, I will get, I am going to reach my hand out again to try to pull you in, to take responsibility and to stop. And like, I think most administrators, he's hog tied, and he's hands are tied behind his back. - Yeah. - You have a pair on one side that's like losing his mind. - School board. - Yeah, and all of these elements is like, you know, he's a nerd, he can't really affect any change in the best he can. - That's gotta be. - That was wildly difficult. - Really hard. I mean, listen, I mean, it's, I think that the great thing about Flanagan is that, there are no loose ends, there are no mistakes. There's nothing that you're like, where does that storyline go? It is so tight that at the end of it, you're left with, you know, it's an allegory. I mean, the story is the question of like, do you choose kindness or cruelty? And at the end of it, our hope is that you're sitting around a kitchen table with friends, your family, whatever, with weirdos, and you are in deep conversation about what it means to be kind. - Yeah, one episode in, we are already having those conversations. - Oh yeah. - Yeah, yeah. I mean, I do think, here's the great news. I think people constantly ask, and they should, Stephen King, that's what my point was before, that I didn't make because I got lost in, I'm gonna come to spirits. Stephen King said to Mike, why, why make it again? We've had five iterations of it. - Which valid question. - I know, that's true. - And Mike was like, here's my pitch. Social media is the new, and when you wrote this back in the '70s, and Dupalma shot it in the '70s, no, we can know what the scourge of social media would be. And here's a brand new way to tell a story. It's not like kids are running around quoting Dupalma's version. - Yeah. - There's a whole new audience for it, and I think it's relevant. And eight episodes allows you to dig in. - Oh yeah. - You know, you really get to see all these characters, and Stephen, to his credit, said, let's do it. It's the only way I'll do it. - Really? - And he, for the record, he loves it. - Yes, that's what I heard. - He loved, he watched it twice. - Which is such a huge compliment. - I can't imagine rescuing that compliment. - I feel like Carrie is one of the babies. - Yeah, well, I mean, look, Carrie, for sure, it's his first novel. His wife pulled it out of the trash. - Yeah, sadly. - I love that story. - Yeah, yeah. And he also loved life of Chuck. I mean, he loves Mike, I think. - Yeah. - I don't know, but I think it's-- - I think he does. I think he trusts him. - Yeah. - And Mike Flanagan adores him. - Yeah. - Mike takes care of his stories. - Yeah. - Mike says there's two ways to do a retelling of a story. You either guard each word the steaming, specifically around King. You either guard each word with your life and do the most earnest representation of what every single page says. Or you take each piece of the book apart and you put it together in a little different order with more behind it. - Yeah. - And he's done both. - Right. - And he's the best. - He's so good. really is. You follow the House of Usher is so good too. That's on my list. That's a tough one. Yeah. That one was really good. Yeah. Well, life of chalk is incredible. I give you how to see life of chalk. It's incredible. I was literally, I was just about to talk about life, Jack. You were so amazing in that movie. Like it makes me cry. When you can say, like even just the screenshots of you in that movie are like, thank you. They really are. I'm really proud of it. I'm really proud to be in that movie. You should be. And I love that. It's two takes. And people loved you in that. Like across the board. People are like, oh my god. You're talking about it on the way in here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We literally were. And now with that with life of Chuck and Carrie, you're part of like the Stephen King universe now too. Oh, yeah, yeah. I knew you're saying the planet. Well, you're, you're part of the planet. Yeah. So that's you, that's actually crazy that you're part of both now. Yeah. Those are massive universes. Yeah. Those are big universes. But is there a Stephen King character that you would just like love to play? I mean, I have some ideas. So you don't. Yeah. I don't pitch to you. I'll take any of them. I'm very slutty. I'll do it. We were just saying you love that word. We were. We need to bring it on how much you love that word. It's good word. You know, it Puritans used to use that word to just mean you, like we're untidy. But you're like your house was messy. Your house. But they were like, that's a great word. Yeah. It has like a, it rings in your body. It does. Yeah. You can feel it. And it has at the end. That's very satisfactory. Yeah. And has all the good sounds. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, dark tower or something. I'm like playing it. Oh, and it's working towards producing wind. I would love to be off. Yeah. I think you would be a really good, I have three. Okay. That's out of free. You have options. So I think, yeah, you can decide or you can play all them. I'll be the grown gauge. It's gauge gets older. There you go. There you go. The grown gauge work. I like that. I think you could be Father Callahan and Salem's lot. Oh, okay. You would be a good, like, scary priest. Like it goes through a good arc. I think Leland from Leland gaunt from needful things. Okay. He's like a demonic. I don't know that one. So I don't know what I mean. Evil. This is your problem. This one is fun, though. I think you would be able to make this people play. The other thing about him is he's very charming. Oh, yeah. He has to charm an entire town. Oh, yeah. So he's like a demon who has to charm a whole town with his antique shop that gives them everything they want. But then he so's discord among them all. Sure. Like unbeknownst to them. Do you think it's a good movie? I think it would be in a fantastic way. You do. Okay. The book is great. Yeah. And I think a third, finally, I think gunslinger. No, but sure. Try it. Go for it. Do whatever you do. Why not? I think you would be a good Jack Torrance. You do. But if they did it to the book, because I feel like Jack Torrance in the book has like an arc like he is so likable for most of the movie. Like you love him and like he's lovable. He's like he's like kind of tortured, but he like wants to be good. So he's trying really hard and you're kind of like root for him. Okay. And then he goes through the downfall and becomes really scary. And I think you could do that like. Yeah. So we'll catch that. What do you think? Can we call a plan again? Yeah. Seriously. Let's see if I got it. My phone grabbed the shining next and redo it. I don't think you would ever touch the shine. Probably not. I don't think anybody's gonna touch this. You're the second person today to say you should play Jack Torrance. Really. So maybe we're gonna manifest. I think we're on to something. Yeah, but I was like, you know, he's doing that movie ever again. Special. I mean, maybe he didn't love, you know, King didn't love it. He didn't love it. I think that my hope is that Stephen King gives older that he will want to see the dark tower made. Yes. And he will put his powers to make it happen. The problem is that all these companies own all the IPs. Yeah. And you really have to have an act of God to bring them all. I know. That gets messy. So that's true. All right. Well, we'll play. I know we're on Stephen King podcast. It's pretty. Yeah. We do love. Yeah. I think you should be Leland gone then. Okay. We need full things. I think we should do that. Final answer. Yeah. That's my pitch. All right. We're gonna do a GoFundMe for the Claymation version. The Claymation version. That's how much money we're gonna make. It's crazy. I'll give you five bucks. All right. Let's go. Let's go. So we've already talked about how you were really excited to talk about. I mean, you deserve a seat. That's what I was really excited about. There's like, there's a DNA. No, we don't have pages of like just Stephen. Just Stephen. Just a lot of tabs. I did. I actually took it down to three because I was like really going for it. But I can't pitch you. Revenue. It's tough. You know, you know, so decisions are hard. So we talked about being like the weird kid growing up or feeling like the weird kid. Like I know I felt that way. Most I still feel that way at 40. It's cool now though. But do you feel like it like kind of becomes a superpower a little bit? And if so, when did it for you? That's a good question. Because I feel like it's mine now. I think it is. Yeah. I mean, you've built a business around weirdos. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that allows. I think the great thing about sort of identifying as somebody on the outside looking in is that you, it releases the pressure to be cool. I don't, I feel very, I don't feel like I have to be cool. I don't, you know, I'm not, I'm not sort of like sure I was hung up on that. I'm sure at some point in my life, everybody else can say yeah. And then it also allows you sort of like accept everyone. Like you sort of see people as equals a lot in that sort of it levels the playing field and it just makes your life much easier. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. And it makes you agree able to enjoy things like with your whole chest. Yeah. That is for sure. I think that's part of the best part of it. Is it a shame for enjoying things? I feel like on a bash. I love it. On a bash, we'll talk about my love of Dungeons and Dragons. Yeah. Just want us into our next question. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's a huge part of my life. And also like, I mean, all kinds of things like video games. Yeah. I'm like, you know, and I don't, you know, in this business, being in Hollywood, so much status, status used to mean so much to me. And listen, and the whole, I've been on, you know, it's talk about wisdom. You grow into wisdom. I used to walk past and first movie every day was called "Siri Mom." Hey, so walk past the theater and try to be recognized by the people coming up. Like, you know, do you see a movie? Which do I look like? I mean, literally, you know, was, but I desperately wanted to be famous. And then I, you know, I ran around Hollywood and then, you know, I wanted to be, I wanted to be number one of the call sheet on big movies. Like, I've gone through this whole cycle. Yeah, of course. You know, and to the point where I never thought of work again, like, I had lots of, I've been on every iteration of the Hollywood journey known to me. And the one I enjoy the most is when I first started. And where I'm at now. And I'm having this like crazy resurgence in my career as an actor and my popularity. I've never been more popular. And I, I don't know if that's the most humble thing ever. It's just the reality of it. But right now, whatever's happening, it's like, it's freaking awesome. Yeah, let's go. It's really, it's really cool. Yeah, I find the older I get and having this like resurgence. I live in a very small bubble in my hometown and nobody gives a shit. My kids don't care. My wife certainly doesn't care. And, you know, we sort of like, we have our group of friends and we have a group of like, you know, families that we're connected to. Whatever's happening right now is like, changed everything. And now I will get caught in public and I don't want to be caught in public. Yeah, I can. And getting caught. And I, you know, like I said, I would walk around looking for attention, wanting to be famous. And now I'm like, yeah, I'm not interested. In fact, I will say this, there was, we did scream seven premiere and there were they let influencers into the scream seven premiere. And I saw this on social media and she's out there and she's going to hear this. This young girl, this and most happening is like, in I was surrounded by a sea of people wanting to get in to interview me or catch video or do all these things. That is so. That's a premier. Where I want to see my friends and sort of sell. And I did it a couple times. And I'm like, okay, I'm done for the night. Thank you. I'm done for the night. Thank you. And they just kept coming back. And you're allowed to say that you're done. Yeah, it's like, you're like, I'm a human. I'm also like, I'm not working. This isn't supposed to be a job. I'm actually supposed to be celebrating. Having fun. This is like, this is the best time. You're like, I'm not having fun. But they packed it with these influencers. And at some point, this girl, this young woman caught my breath. I mean, I am the other guy. It snapped at her. And she posts what exactly what you expect. Which is like, I was so excited to meet Matty Lord. And he was a total assortment. And it's one bad moment. I take full responsibility. But it's a bad moment. Super rude. Yeah. I was super done and like, you're the human. Yes, and I was so kind for so long going, I am, you guys, I'm done. I'm done. - And you made it clear to do a corner. - When they make it clear, I just started getting in the way. Like, your kids are there too. - Yeah, and they're like, "Oh, see, that's another way." - And they see me get angry ones. And like I said, - So your kids know. - And they know. - They're like, you're pushing them. - So, if that young lady's out there, I apologize. I was a dick. She was right and posted on something and I saw it the next day. I'm like, "But I feel like that's become like a thing "that people try to get a rise out of people now "and get them in a bad moment." And then they're like, "Hey, this asshole." And it's like, no, they're just a human and having a human mind. - Everyone has a bad day. - And it's like the person who posted that also has, I can guarantee you, she has also had a moment where she has been a dick. - Oh my god, she didn't get it on the internet. - She didn't get it on the internet. - But nobody, - I do not know why we're talking about this. - I don't know how I got into this moment. And I don't know if I liked it or if I didn't like it, but I will say I love that young woman in apologies. - All right. - But that's nice of you. - There you go. - You're big for that. - I love it. Now I want to do your chart. I know. Do you believe in astrology? - Not really. But I don't disbelieve in it. - All right. - Like there are things I'm like, "Yeah, I don't believe in that at all." - Yeah. - But I do think that my dad and I were born two days apart and we were on very similar cycles for a long time. - That makes total sense. - He would have success. I had a massive success. - Okay. - I would sort of start to struggle. - Interesting. - Interesting. - That is interesting. - That's to do with Jupiter. - Is that what? - It has to do with Jupiter when you're struggling and when you're not. - So not. - Yeah. - Look about, you know? - You have a lot of eclectic talents. - Thank you. - Yeah. - Why do we go to D&D? - Yeah, 'cause we were just talking about that. - Right, yeah. - Yeah. - So you've said before that sitting around a tabletop gaming table. - Best way to spend the life. - One of the best ways to spend the life? - That one of. - What happens at the table that you believe we could be missing elsewhere? What makes it the best? - Yeah, you, they're my favorite people. The people I play with are my closest friends. - I love that. That's cool. - I started, you know, I played as a kid. I quit in like, you know, junior high school when most kids quit. And then my roommate in acting school when I went to New York, had D&D books. And I was 21 years old. I'm like, do you like 21? We're supposed to be getting hammered and-- - But let's do it. - Doing chicks. - But let's do do chicks. - But I'm like, why do you have this to the name? - You're so weird. - He's like, bro, bro, dude, bro. Dude, bro, bro, bro. It's from the bars. (laughing) Let's get some lettuce. Oh, that's so hilarious. - That's so hilarious. - It's so hilarious. Because we were still-- - I like that. - I'm freaking acting school kids. - Of course. - And he's like, I like to play D&D. I'm like, oh, that's awesome. Awesome. And I said it in class one day. And my buddy's like, oh, that's cool. We should play. - Hell yeah. - And after a super bowl one year, we went to Circle in the Square, which is where we went to school. It's a big Broadway theater house. I'm 50th and Broadway. It's an incredible theater school. By the way, if anyone thought they're looking for a theater school, like I'm always pitching our school. 'Cause it's fantastic. Anyways, we had access to the lobby. We started playing one night at like nine o'clock a night. We rolled up characters and we started to play. We left when the sun came up at six in the morning. - I love that. - That's all. - And we have been playing since that was 21 and I'm 56 years old. - Wow. - A lot of these campaigns we ever played with seven years. - Wow. - I like that a lot. - I love that. - But yeah, I played, we've played for years. And you sit around, you're telling stories, which is old as time, with actors who are lovely and smart and creative and like everyone's invested. So you're, yes, you're talking voices. - I'm like, I really love that. - I, you know, and you're playing with your whole chest. - Yeah. - And it's just the best man and we laugh hard. - Oh yeah. - And we, you know, we eat pizza, we don't drink, we don't smoke, we, like, we don't, we're just not. - You become me. - Huh? - I totally become you. Our insides are pure. - Look at that. Just think about the love. - But yeah, but it's, it's just the best. - I love that. - My favorite thing. - I've never played it and I've always thought that I was somebody who should have played it. - Yeah, they're still punks. - I was gonna say you're still punks. - I need to start doing it. - A hundred percent. - Because I would love it. - It's a lot. - Like, it is right out of town. - It's also like, they're in the phones. Like you remove your responsibility to be a dad or a husband or you're connected to anyone else. - Whatever. - You're lost in the world. - And you get to, it is the story of good versus evil. - Yeah. - And like you're rising up and doing heroic things and vanquishing the, you know, the evil and-- - Yeah. - It's great. - It's like being in a real fantasy book. I love that. - It is. - Do you like fantasy books? - I do love fantasy books. - What's your favorite fantasy book? - I'm reading right now and I'm obsessed with a nine-post by Leibard Hugo. - It did not. - It's a trilogy. - Yeah. I've seen it. - It is so good. - It's like secret societies and Yale and magic. - I've heard really good things about that. - Oh, yeah. - It's still delicious. - It's like, can I tell you my favorite writer right now? - Yeah. - In all the Readers. - Yeah. - Christopher Buelman. - He wrote Black Tongue Thief. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah. And then he came out with the Daughters War and his third one's about to drop. He and I did the Renaissance parent upstate New York in a street in New York, and we were roommates. And he went on to do the rent fair for years, and he started writing this down, becoming credible. - That's awesome. - Yeah. - Good for him. Hell yeah, that's great. - That's great. - That's my reading recommendation of the day. - Good, you love those. - Yeah. - We're always recommending books that have filtered in nicely. - There you go. - All right, can we talk about Scream? Scream The Original 1996, The Year I Was Born? - You play one of the most I know. - I know that. (laughing) - It's on a Twitch. - Little iTunes. - Listen, this was a lot of fun. - But I have to go. - I need to go. - My phone's ringing and my phone can't sign you, take it. - Sorry. - No, it's okay. - But you play. - Here's my hope. Tell me, is that you asked a question I've never been asked before in 30 years? - I hope so. - We have a few questions about it. So maybe one of us will hit it. - I don't know if it's this first maybe. - But maybe one of mine I think might. No, I don't know. - Okay, good. - I'm being very, I have hubris right now. I had hubris right now. - I'm still identifying in the moment. - Yeah. - I have pigeoness right now. - Yeah, I'm preparing everything. - Oh, okay good. - But you first. - All right, so obviously you play stew. When did you realize that stew had become something people would still be talking about all these years later? Did it ever hit you at a certain point? - No. - And has anybody ever asked you that before? - No, they haven't. - Hey. - Oh, pretty good. - First one I'll have that. - Hey, pretty good. - Yeah, pretty good. I mean, I still don't, I still not sure how we're here. - Really? - Yeah, I'm still not sure how this all happened. It must be surreal, yeah. - But it's not even surreal. It's like, surreal would mean that you were like, you deeply think about, I am just, I'm like, what? It's like weird, it's weird. It's like, I don't know, how do you explain it? It's like, you're dating someone and then they become the president of the United States. - Yeah. - And you're like, it's just so weird. We used to make out and now they're the president of the state. Like, that's weird. - Yeah, what a scenario. - Yeah, just pictured that really. - There's a reason. - I've seen that person at the worst and their best and yeah. And that's what it is. I mean, it is the state. - I thought you were gonna say naked. I thought you were gonna say naked too. - I was going to, and then I thought you were gonna be creepy. - When you went the different way, I was like, well, that was me being creepy, so. - No, I thought that way. - My instinct was to wear a shirt and shirt. I don't know the weirdos that well, but they don't wear a whole of me. - No, they fall of me. - Yeah, so it's just really strange in that. You have to imagine, like, at that time when it came out, as we were making it, Wes Craven had made a bunch of movies, most of them had in that time and started to flop. And it just felt like another horror movie, that starred two people that were on television, F Campbell and Courtney Cox. And that was never a thing. It was not, you know, people didn't cross over. You either a TV actor or a film actor, - Yeah, especially at that time. - And I was a film actor. I'm like, why do these TV people doing here? This is all gonna be shit. - Infiltrating. - Yeah, yeah. And I think that, you know, one of the things that I was just talking to Flanagan last night, actually on the way after we did the screening. - That's a really cool sentence. - Yeah, but we were talking about the movie. And I said to him, the crazy thing about it, I think if you take any of those people out in terms of the casting, the movie may not work. - Yeah. - Yeah, I really think that ski is perfectly cast in terms of perfectly cast, Jamie Kennedy, David O'Kette, even Earl Brown who plays Courtney's camera guy. Like everyone along the way really works in this really easy way. I think if you take me out or drew out or Henry Winkler, all kind of comes together perfectly in a moment of synchronicity. - Yeah. - That, you know, and the mask. I mean, the mask came out of nowhere. They found the mask. - So perfect. - They, it was like this little place in North Carolina, you know, the rumor, the legend is that he saw it on a text scout. out. I don't think that's true, personally. Interesting. I've even heard about before. Yeah. The got what I remember. We were shooting in Santa Rosa outside the high school and we were talking about the mask because he was showing us I think like a cut of the opening sequence would drew. And such a good sequence. It's incredible. It's so good for multiple reasons. I'm happy to talk about it. But he was like, I think that they were going to shut down the movie. So they were going to shut down the movie because they weren't sure about it. And then they rushed. It's shot that sequence opening sequence and then sent it to mirror max. And they kept the movie alive. Oh wow. We're going to shut it down. So like we don't think this works. That's crazy. Can you imagine? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You like a parallel universe. Yeah. That would be a butterfly effect. Yeah. Absolutely. That would be a rad, I think. But that was the only sequence is so crazy because Drew Barrymore was one of the biggest stars in the world. You think she's going to be there. She's on the post. Yeah. Yeah. Like front. And murder her. Like one of the most brutal brilliant openings of film ever. Oh yeah. Yeah. And you know, they kill her too. It was brilliant to do. We're going from here. And now I have no idea what's going to happen. Yeah. Right. And it was also the movie with self-referential and the time when movies were trying to be timeless. Yeah. Because they wanted because there was no such DVDs and VHS were just coming around. Yeah. And before that, before before before this, this media, you would try to make a movie timeless because you wanted to play again on TV because that's when you got paid again. Yeah. So people like don't reference anything. Don't make it modern because we wanted to live. So if they show it, it's on channel four. Right. It will still work. Yeah. It will still be relevant. But this is like so. But in Kevin Williamson came along. I was like, I'm going to flip this course. Yeah. I'm going to be so nice. It's kind of crazy. Yeah. I loved it. So yeah. So I don't really. I have. It's like having your ex go from be the president. I love that. The best. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the best way to look at it. What do you think, Stu? I'm very curious about this. What do you think Stu wanted out of that friendship with Billy? Do you think he looked at the friendship with Billy the same way that Billy? No. It's not something. It was funny. I never have been asked that. Hey. Two and a row. Two. All right. I don't really think that way. Yeah. Because he's not real. Do you know he's not real? So you don't think about that kind of. I don't. He's not. But I thought he's not real. Yeah. So we're not all going to die today. He's not either. I don't want to do a question. You just ruined everything for everyone. You definitely ruined my husband's life. It's the second time we had our friendship. Yeah. So that's that. I don't really think that I mean, it's like, I don't know. I can make something up. Yeah. No, it's also like, just so we're clear. It's 30 years ago. It's like, what was your first kiss like when you were 12? I don't know. I guess it was good. We were 12 very young. That's very good. But like 15. I remember my first kiss. It goes 12 or 13. But it was really good. Truth or dare. It's not like a make out. Yeah. I remember it. I was six eight grade. This is eighth grade. My was summer going into seventh grade. Yeah. Yeah. So you see that. Hey, you judged me. You said 12. Yeah. I know. Here we go. Here we go. You're untidy. You're untidy. You're untidy. You're untidy. You're instead of using. Yeah. You're so untidy with your make outs. What if we get untimped over here? Sloppyness. Yeah. I almost went really crass. And I want you to know tonight when I go home and I lay my head on the pillow. I am going to congratulate. I'm going to say, you did good today. Because you almost went too far. All right. I'm proud of you. Too far. I know where you were going to go. Mr. Violence would have stepped up. We don't. Let's see you, Mr. Violence. We don't get offended easily here. So you sound good. We have one editor that we have that isn't in the room with us. They were you're constantly like, John, I'm so sorry that we just said that. I met him. I'm sorry. I've only met him in person once. What are you talking about? How do you not have a friendship with your editor? Well, we have like a friendship via the microphone, but I don't even know where he lives. What? But I, but he came to an event. Is he going to edit this? No. He edits a different podcast. Yeah. How many podcasts you have? Three. Three. Jesus. Yeah. I was like, how many do we have? I know it's like, what do you like the best? Honestly, they're all like, because they're all different reasons. Yeah. Yeah. What are the, what are the other two pitches? One is called scream and we recap horror movies and kind of just like discuss them. Yeah. And then one is called the rewatcher and we rewatch shows and discuss them. We did Buffy the Vampire. We're doing true blood right now. Did you do the whole series? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Got rough in the home was pretty. Yeah. True blood is fun. It's held. True blood is crazy. That's just bad. So crazy. Yeah. Have you seen that? Mm-hmm. Please watch it and then listen. I will never watch it. It's so fun. I like that you were honest. So you're like, I'm not going to do that. I mean, I respect that, but it's really fun. Never. I have it. I'm not really, it's shocking how many shows I have not watched. I mean, same. That makes sense, though, because it's got to be, is it tough for you to watch shows? I just don't like it. It's like a cook doesn't want to come home and cook. That's what I mean. Right. I have my windows pay. And, huh? Have you watched Widow's Bay? I do. I like, I sort of like modern shows. What are my favorite things to do? Because I travel so much is I love having a show to share with my wife. Yeah. And we're empty and surrounding and like together like we'll sit there and watch, like we're watching Linus right now. Oh my god. And I am fucking love it. And I'm like, but I really think I love the two of us hanging out and like going, let's do another one. Yeah. I really love it. Yeah. Yeah. That's one of my favorite pastimes is watching TV with my husband. Yeah. They watch a lot of reality TV. I wait. I don't do that. See where in this spot? No. No. It's not that. I just, I don't have the patience for people being there is no show like people are brutal or rude. Yeah. Yeah. Bitches. And I just, I can't. I love it. I get too angry at the zoo. Oh god. Yeah. There was housewives here today and I literally almost lost my shit. Really? Yeah. And my wife loves them all. Oh, I got to talk to her. Yeah. Yeah. She'll, she would love to come in. Oh, yeah. She would. She would, she would hate it. She would not invite her. She would not like this. We would have to record. We could just hang out. Yeah. Yeah. You could just chat. Yeah. Cool. Come on. Come on. Miles. You guys are always one company. When you come up to San Diego to do San Diego Comic Con, which we're doing next year. Yes. We've already come out. Hang out. Okay. Yeah. All right. Great. We're just going to show up at your door and be like, you invited us. You don't forget to care me. He's like, I invited you. I don't know. If I didn't like you, I don't know you. I would see your name. That might be a problem. But come to my house. What if we look completely different and we're like, we're late in a Nash, and you said we could stay with you. I'll be like, who? Exactly. See. See. Yeah. All right. Where are we? So I think we finished. Just get that tattoo. It's more recent. I think I got this. Was that one six months ago? Was it the same time as the ghost? That's new. Yeah. And why do you have a fucking pumpkin on your arm? Because they're pumpkins. You love Halloween. I have a ghost too. Yeah. You got the ghost when I got the perfume model. It's in a weird spot. It's really in a weird spot. I don't know if I can turn that way. Is that weird? No. I'm dead. We go to tattoo artists that are identical twins. In Salem. Massachusetts. Is that kind of weird? You two are strange. Yeah. And unusual. I don't know the pumpkins. Yeah. That choice. Yeah. I love Halloween. I'm a witch. Yeah. Yeah, she's a full-blown witch. I have a witch right here. Oh, you do? She's riding a broomstick. Oh, my God. You're very witchy. Yeah. I think we are. I have a witch. Who's that? Is that a witch? Her name is Esme. Yeah, she's just a gal. Yeah. Very punk rock. Thank you. Yeah, punk rock witches. Oh, yeah. We've been talking for four hours already. But you're having fun. I love it every second. I'm worried about her capacity for. Oh, no, we can do this for her. Ending down. That's his job. Okay. Yeah. Our Jack the Ripper series was 72 pages long of notes. It was eight hours of content. Yeah. We didn't film it in one day though. Yeah. Yeah. All right, scream, you know, put scream. As long as you're still here. Yes. Still here. Okay. So another one. I don't know if you're going to, if you're not the same answer though. Now that you said that. Do you think? I finished that whole thought. I think you did. Okay. Good. I don't really think, like, think about the friendship. Yeah. Do you think about the friendship? Oh, because he's not real. I mean, maybe in that moment I did, I think he's got that, you know, I'm far too sensitive or whatever. And then definitely, you know, listen, people are like, were they gay? People call us the first husbands of order. I don't think they were. They weren't. And that, and that was never discussed. No. But we do say we're that we're they're gay characters. The reason we say that is that, you know, there's a kid out there right now struggling with who they are. And there are so many kids out there that identify with these characters. - For sure. - And while these characters are just a character we did, there are people that have these characters tattooed on their face, on their face. Are faces on the body? - Maybe they do have-- - Not face on the body. - There's all kinds of that relationship. And if some kid out there is struggling with their own identity and who they are, and if for some reason us calling ourselves the first husbands of horror makes an impact, it makes them feel seen and empowers them, then we're the fucking first. - Hell yeah. - Yeah, or whatever you want us to be. - The most favorite part is nobody can take that away from us. - No. - It's our characters. - Yeah. - And the world we're living in right now, we could use a little more, like, I see you, gay kid, we love you. - I love that a lot. - Yeah. - And I loved Billion's juice relationship. - Yeah, it's good. - I mean-- - I always thought it was like very, I was like, yeah. Like, friend should be like that. - Yeah, it should definitely murder you. - Yeah, absolutely. - Obviously. - Yeah, of course. - Where am I going? - You're not out there burying the body. - It's called a writer die. - Yeah, exactly. - Hello. - Well, it was like I think his people will, people will always like, a harp on like how physical they were with each other. - Yeah, yeah. - But I love that part of it. - Hey, that's fine. That was all me. - I believe in you. - I believe in you. - I mean, we've seen that here today. - Yeah, I am like, literally. - Yeah. - You're touchy-feely person. - And I don't think that I was really, I mean, just natural. - I'm like sitting on his shot. Yeah, it's weird. - It feels right. - It's probably in your astrological chart too. I'll look at it. - Touchy. - Yeah, nice to be pet. - What do you need for me to give to get a reading? - Your birth time and where you were born. - Home on it. - All right, cool. - Get it and bring it to us. - Yeah. - So I think the other ones first-screen, you've probably been asked before. So we're gonna move on. - Okay. - Yeah, another one. - Fine. - Do you want the speed round? - We're gonna do what first-screen? - Yeah, speed round. - I'm scared. - Speed round? - No. - Or maybe we have a speed round. - Well, we don't say like, we have other questions. - Yeah. Yeah, we have other questions. You want to ask the screen question? - Yeah, we can do one more. - Go for it. - I want to know when you first read for the part, did you get something about Stu that wasn't necessarily written on the page outside of being touchy-feeling? - I read first. You what? - I said outside of being touchy-feely. - Outside of being touchy-feely. Every time we do that, we're gonna-- - Oh, I appreciate that. - I originally read for Billy. - Oh, I know that. - And the casting daughter is like, "You know, West Raven's coming back in like two hours. I would like you to read this." - Yeah, really? - Yeah, they're like, "You're never gonna make out with Neve Campbell." - They said that to you? - No. - Oh, like what? - I was like, "That's you." - Cut, too. - I was just gonna say it was real, it was like, "Damn you." - But I read like two hours later in the room, West Raven's like, "I like you to come do the movie." - Hell yeah. - So you sort of gave me the part in the room. - So you think you just figured it out like on the spot? - Yeah, I think that it was, I was in that moment and you watched the film, "Full of Energy." - Yeah. - Yeah. - I was like, sort of, you know, there was nothing little about the role for me. And whatever he saw in that reading, he responded to, I don't know. - Yeah, that's so cool. - Yeah. - I love it. I think you're the perfect stew. I can't picture anybody else playing stew. And I can't picture you playing Billy, though. - No, I don't need, I mean, listen, that was the totally, that was not me. - Yeah. - Like I said, any of us out and the whole thing falls apart. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Now I can see that even better. - Yeah. - All right, five nights at break. - Yeah, five nights at break, 'cause that's such a fun one. - Such a fun one. - Yeah, yeah. - Okay, so do you think William Afton, and I don't know if you think this way now? - Yeah, I don't. - I know. - Do you think that was a good idea? - No, I think you've already answered this. All right, so let me go on to this one. - No, we're going to ask you. Well, it's gonna say, do you think he believes he's evil? - No, I don't believe anyone, in the history of films believes they're evil. - I like that. - I feel like everyone has a, you have to. No, but you can't act on an instinct that's like, I'm just gonna hurt you. I mean, you can say, you know, Darth Vader has a reason for destroying the, or like for running the universe, right? And like everyone has a reason. It doesn't mean that they're, you know, good reasons are just a fact, but you have to believe in the reason. - Yeah, I mean, Billy said it's scarier when there's no motive. - Yeah, but there's always no motive. (laughing) - Even Billy had a motive, I was gonna say. - So like, but he's like, his mother, you know, your mother was, you know, slut. - Yeah, it was untied, well, she was untied. - Yeah, she was untidy, she was not clean. - She was nodding, she had a very slutty house. - A very slutty house was so slutty. - We've all been there. So you're a dad, we were talking about that. - Yes. - Is it hard, 'cause obviously in five nights at Freddy, you're not super nice to kids. - You kill him. - Yeah, but there's a reason. - Is that hard though? - It totally makes sense. - Yeah. - Is that hard? (laughing) - Not really. - You said it's so convincing that he's an actor. - Really? - I don't really know why it does it. I think that that's in the third movie. Look, I think that he stops it. I don't know why he kills the kids. - Because he's the best actor. - The reality is that I've said the Scott. I'm like, why, when I got the job, right? - I was like, look, there are multiple games. There are a crazy amount of books. There's fan fiction. There's like, don't read the fan fiction. The fan fiction is a lot. (laughing) - It's weird. - I was like, what do you want me to dig into? How do I create this character so that I can best represent for the fans what you've built? Is like, just play the first game. - There you go. - Just play the first game. - All right. - I'll send you a bunch of playthroughs. And that's the crazy thing about that game is that. Kids found people playing the game as interesting as playing the game. They were too scared to play the game so they would watch Matt Pat play. They would watch these streamers play the game and that's what gave them a separation that they could then enjoy. And then all the legend and all the lore was born out of these theories and Scott never came out to correct it. So then it became a fight as to whose theory would make the most sense and then you became aligned with stuff and then you became tribal and then you became a part of the community. Do you know what I mean? That's what it feels like to me. And I had this phone call, I've told the story before but I got a phone call from my agent saying, "Hey, or my manager's saying, "Hey, they want you, they want you for this part. "You have the offer if you're interested. "Then when you go sit down with the director "and if it goes well, the offer's yours." So I'm like, "Oh, that sounds great." And I was literally like, "Well, that means the movie's terrible." Like, "No, it's a pretty big movie." I'm like, "Okay, well let's look at it." And in the script, I had the part of yellow rabbit, the yellow rabbit. - Okay. - And I'm like, "Oh, yellow rabbit." It's like freezing in my like a spy. - Yeah. - And I'm like, "Assassin, what is this incredible character "in a million years later?" - Literally, I'm like flipping through the script. And I'm like, "Yellow rabbit's on like five pages." I'm like, "Oh, I got damn." - It's just a shitty little part. - No, no, no. - And I was like, "I read it." And I'm like, "Oh, okay." And I let it call my manager. I'm like, "It doesn't make you sense. "I don't want to do five lines." And the lines are, "Come here." Like, "I want to kill you." Like, "Maybe I'm not sad." So I'm like, "I don't want this part." - Why do you need me for this? - And so I went to her and I'm like, "Hey, listen, you are lovely." Her name's Emma Tammy. She's a lovely person. - I'm like, "I don't want me." I mean, you've seen me. I've been around for a long time. Why are you hiring me for a guy for five lines? - Doesn't make sense. - And she's like, "Well, he's five lines in this." But he is the Voldemort of this universe. And we want to make three movies. And so by the time you did a third movie or a big part, I'm like, "You have my attention." - Okay, like, "Oh." - Like a sequel. - I was taking a sequel and I'm interested. And I went home and I said, "Yeah." And I was talking to my wife in the kitchen and my middle kid is, you know, in the other room. This ace is in the other room and I'm talking about it and I said, "Yeah, I just went in and met." I think I'm gonna do this movie. He's called Five Nights at Freddy's. And my kid's like, "What?" - Oh my God. - What are you talking about? And I was like, "What are you talking about?" I'm like, "What are you talking about?" - What are you talking about? - What was it? I'm like, I don't know, the yellow rabbit. I don't know what that is. - What's up? - It's like that my agent lied to me. - Yeah, and I'm like, "Oh." And so I'm like, "Yeah." And like, it says, "Movie." And my kid was like, "Wow, it's crazy." And then my wife's like, "We're talking like 20 minutes later." And my wife's like, "Why do they call him William Afton?" And you hear my kids screaming down. - He's like, "Who are you?" And I'm like, "Whoa, my God." (laughing) - And William Afton is this iconic character in the whole show. - That's the coolest thing too. - Yeah, it's pretty fun. - That your kid was on his head. - Yeah, that must be the coolest part. - You're being like, "What can we be cool?" - Yeah, but it's that thing where you're like, "Super fun." I was like, "Cool." And whatever. - Like hell yeah. - And it's a $30 million of the meat movie. I mean, $300 million. - That's insane. - Oh yeah. - It's insane. - It's in the wild. - Crazy, crazy hit. - Yeah, that's cool. - Yeah, and I'm like, that fan base, they're really sweet to me. And they really love. - I love that. - Yeah, yeah, they're really great. And the second movie, I have a really great scene. But again, I'm barely in the film. - That's so funny. - Yeah. - That is really funny. - Yeah. - It's so funny 'cause my girls have seen like little, like they haven't seen it. They've just seen like, you know, trailers that have gone on or anything like that. And they want to see it. So bad. I'm like, "You are 10." Like, "You'll never sleep again." - I know. - No, but one of them is being ghost face. - Oh yeah. - For Halloween. It's funny but just like is so interested in yeah, like when I told her removal I don't get most like most people haven't seen the first movie. That's crazy. That's the same day Seven I'm like no, that's crazy. No, that's right. I know it's funny right cuz you're like Die vocal doesn't make sense when I pop on if yeah, you would have no idea Yeah, when I told her we were coming here today I was like we're gonna sit down with ghost face and she was like are you good? She was like well, I am ghost face Yeah, she was like tell mom being goes first for home. I'm like this This face but there's is the dazzled pink and the pink. Yeah, of course Now are you someone because you're a dad again? Mm-hmm. Can you watch things with kids in it like getting hurt or horror movies with kids because I can't when you watch Carey your kids are older now, so I don't know if that changes. I'm hoping it does I mean look I have a hard time watching social media some of the kids getting hurt and the sort of like The things that people put on the internet are crazy to me. Yeah, yeah, I hate social media. I'm super emotionally available We've already like so I'm like, but movies don't bother me again. I've been doing them for so long Yeah, you know, yeah, it's not really my thing. Yeah, that makes sense. It doesn't really freak me out Yeah, I'm hoping that I can get over it. Yeah, cuz I cannot watch any horror movie that has children in it since I've become a mom I can't since you I can't do it Yeah, I get like way too invested. What about autopsies on baby kids? I had to do that and it was awful What is it? Yeah, you're unable and not I was able to do it Yeah, cuz I just looked at it's like I got to do this and I can't just leave this room and leave this child Unattended and at least you're getting answers and I'm getting answers for somebody, but it is it easy hard to discern when you get in there To understand how they what is the cause of the death? Sometimes it's sometimes it's obvious and then sometimes it's not at all sometimes you it's somebody who looks like they're sleeping And it doesn't look like anything has happened and you open them up, and it still doesn't look like anything And then where do you start like how do you like I think that if you're a shoemaker There's somebody teaching you how to make a shoe. Yeah, like yeah on top see like how are you deducing? Yeah, who teaches you the like sort of like these are the tricks of the trade Well, the first thing you do is you take out the organ block, so it's you literally have the organ your entire set of organ Everyone knows what the organ It is an even ask it literally A block of organs essentially I don't know, okay You literally build igloo's with them in Alasca Alasca They're pulling the organ block and then you step up And it can be a house Yeah, it is a yucky color It all comes out at once It's Pussy Burp Yeah, it's really a huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, huge block of the, or at your turn. Yeah, that's what we lost. But then yeah, but then you have all the you have the all the organs on the table. Yeah. How does that solve the riddle? You got to go bit by bit. There's like a process that you go through. And you take you're going to take spinal fluid. You're going to take like bits of muscle. So you're literally pulling fluid to them run through a microscope. Yeah. And then it's the pathologist. It's a toxicology. Yeah. Yeah. So you're sending them off for all that stuff. But it's you're running like through the whole bowel, the whole intestine. That's fun. No, it doesn't. No, that's not fun. No, sorry. What is that thing? Those people end up getting rid of stuff when they died. That they let that go for the most part. Not always not always all gone. Nope. And when you first start working at a morgue, that's the worst podcast ever. It keeps coming right back. Oh my god. I did. I've seen with a couple of that people and I did not like it. Yeah, it's not. It's not great. No, and I love the people. Yeah, see that. And that's even worse. It's much worse. I don't love them up in casket situation. No. My mom, you said to kiss the dead when they were little. That was like a thing. Yeah. And they would have their mouths wired shut. And you have to go down and kiss. Oh my god. Yeah, my mom. That's what killed catholuses. That doesn't seem like that's what Jesus wants. No, that's pretty. Jesus. She's dead people now. Kiss her. Kiss her. Kiss that dead person sitting over you. Kiss the kiss the kiss the dead. Don't get us started. That gets weird. Oh, we could go to a whole whole school. I mean, there's definitely is when you start talking about dad and naked bodies, you're like, what are the dicks like? You've got, like that has to be. You've got. No, nudity. Really? You don't think about nudity? I mean, I can't really be like, boo. I saw a lot of naked people. Yes. I mean, you don't ever cut anyone open with like their underwear on. No, true. No, I've never cut anyone's. You wouldn't be interested in all and what the bits and bubbles look like. I mean, I've cut into everything. There is to cut into. You've cut into like a. Why would you ever cut into a penis? Testicular cancer. Yeah. Well, I definitely cut into testicles. Yeah. She went home and told her husband. Yeah, I was like, they're very delicate to see you understand. Finally, somebody understands. But she and we also think you guys are overreacting. You got kicked. Getting punched in the boot hurts much worse. I promise. No way. Absolutely. Can you back this up as a, as a scientist? As somebody who's seen the fragility of nuts? I know. I can't, I cannot testify to the pain level. I can testify. I can testify to how, to how delicate they are. Well, I assure you weirdos. We're now debating. We each came with points. I'm actually pretty angry. You know, I don't think you understand me. Maybe I don't. Maybe we don't understand each other. Let me in the boot. I'll take you in the nuts. And let's see which hurts worse. Well, that's going to be that hard. Now I get very exposed that I was the only one excited to see dead people's body. It's true. Do you want to talk about 13 ghosts? By the way, speaking of ghosts. He said no. By the way, no, 13 ghosts. There's a naked woman around. Like, yeah, I really liked looking at her. I bet you did. I think everybody did. She was like, we've been here for too long. We bring it on. We're nearing the end. We are. It's a way out for you. There is. No, she was not my favorite girl. She was the perfect person. Yeah. The princess. Yeah. The fallen princess. Is that what it is? Is that what it is? I think that is. I will tell you that movie. I always say this is terrible, but I say that we're seeing the movie is terrible. I am. That's my joke. My joke is that movie terrible. I actually don't think the movie's terrible. I love that movie. It's super fun. And that movie is one of those movies that in my life, I'm like, I feel like I should be more successful in Hollywood than I am. I feel like I should have been more shots and higher like on the call sheet and bit number one every now and then. Yeah. And I think it's because Hollywood doesn't understand how popular Scooby-Doo is. How popular 13 ghosts. The call classic. Popular SLC punk is. They don't on the man on the street is like those movies are hugely successful. Yeah. Yeah. But in Hollywood terms, they're like, they don't think about it. It's like alien. That's so weird to have. Yeah. That is why you think that is. It's respect. They don't respect for the longest time. Look, when I did a majority of the growth I had in this industry when I was younger, nobody would respect 13 ghosts. I mean, scream, they respect it because it had box office, but ski popped. Jamie had a moment where he went off to do multiple movies. Yep. And you have obviously popped. Yep. And I didn't pop. And everyone's like scream change your life. I get it. That's crazy. It didn't change my life. It really is crazy. Nothing changed my life for the longest time. Now I finally did. I mean, Five Nights of Freddy's has been a huge moment in my life because like, why am I having this moment of like resurgence? Yeah. Two things. I think Five Nights of Freddy's. And then I do a lot of conventions. Yeah. Once people see me in the convention or go to a Q&A, I feel like I make friends. And I think people like, Oh, I like him. Yeah. And I think that that makes a difference. Starts to generate attention. I don't know. Yeah. I think that makes sense. I think so. Yeah. How many times can we ask to add to how many times my head goes back and forth? Yeah. I feel like my shit is going to snap. I even do it in a while. I feel like the problem is that in the middle is Mr. Violence. And he's just eyeballing me like he's going to punch me in the mouth. You never know. We're just seeing like the side of my face because I'm just like, you know, you get that shot. Oh, I do get that. Yeah. You get a full-on shot. All right. Good. So which of the 13 goes is scariest to you. There's a lot. I love the jackal. Me too. But none of them are scary to me. None of them are real. I know. Oh, she's like, God. What is he thinking when he's right behind Billy? Like, when you were running from the jackal, did we see it fast? He looked fast. You were really. I know. I'm really not sorry. You're so clean. How are you not in this one. I am not with you. Be with me here. You know, it's funny. When you see them, when you see them. It's so far. Can we switch? No, I can't. No, I can't. We have 20 minutes left. What's going on? It is a little hot. It is pretty hot in here. Hey, weirdos, I just want you to know something. We can't afford air conditioning. Send money now. Oh my god. We can't afford it. I do. Time up three two. Oh, what is that? Seven. Okay. We do. It's my gang sign, gang gang, throwing up signs at the end of the, um, yes, it's not fucking real. Okay, but if you, um, it's not real. I'm going to pee my pants. It's literally just so you know, it's a glass house that's a portal to hell. Which part of that sounds like a good fucking idea. Which part of that's real? We're in a fight. We're in a fight. We're in a fight, Matthew. You don't think a jug or not would be scary if it was real. What if it was real? But it's not. It's you can't put himself there. It seems. Okay. You can't put himself there. It's real. You can look at it somewhere in America right now. I'm still in this fucking studio trying to explain to them the difference between real and not real. I won't hear it. I won't hear it. I will not. You have problems. You have problems. Are you in a relationship? Who is your husband? Do you, are you gay? What's happening? Who are you? What? Who partner is this person? He's a great man. He is. Who would marry? I don't know why she gay. I'm just curious. I literally said, I said, are you married? But then I didn't want to sound like I assumed a man. It doesn't sound that way. He's a man. He's a man. Is he okay? He is great. He puts up with it. He's hilarious. But sometimes we share a look. We know. We know her. It's true. We love her. And I thought you knew me. I don't agree with that. I thought you guys are sharing a look. I'm never coming back. That's upsetting. Never coming back. He started off really stressed. Oh, look. He's coming back. By the way, she's sweating. It's really. I am an oven man. 12 hours. Then he cut this down. What you're seeing is the result of 13 hours of just talking. This isn't about me. Nobody's watching this fucking show. This is lame. No, you underestimate one. How much people love you and too, quite frankly, how much they love us. They let's be honest. Let's be. Wait, who am I again? This episode? You're Josh Hartnett. They tuned in for Josh Hartnett. And that's who you are. When they saw me, they're like, um, he doesn't have the abs legally. Can we name this an interview with Josh Hartnett? Is that legal? Actually, people keep thinking that we are having you on the show. Every time we are like, oh, we have a fun guest. They're like Matthew Lillard. They just assume that you're coming. Yeah. Really? Yeah. I'm so glad I said yes to this podcast. I'm so glad you did. I don't know. We're so glad that you don't regret it. Yeah. Also, I'm glad you guys came in. Like, we've never have had the same fun if you were doing it. No, zoomed in. I'm glad you came in. Thank you for coming in. Thank you for reconnecting with me. She's going to be upset with me on the way home. If you keep this up, Mr. Violence, I wish you weren't here. I'm kidding. It's not sometimes my jokes go too far. No, they're actually very fun. Let's go curve. Yeah. Do people ever ask you about the curve? Never once. Never. He's never really weird for me. I love that. It's a wild. Yeah. Yeah. Why do you say that? All right. She showed me 12 minutes of it the other day. Do you watch the movie? Not the full movie. She's watched the full movie. So maybe you guys can reconnect on this and maybe not wear it in a fight. Why do you make me so sad? I'm so sorry. I love that you'll watch reality TV, but not Matthew. But not the curve. In the curve. You know, I want to finish watching it actually. It's actually fun. It's fun. He so your character, Tim is horrific. Like really dark. He has motivation. But he's really dark. Yeah, he needs an A. I'm only for one semester though. Yeah, but still like listen. Damn. It's important. He needs a 4.0. Would you kill your roommate for a 4.0? I kill my roommate for a 2.75. Yes. It's passing. We did what? He's getting degrees. I feel weird being next to you now. Maybe we maybe we won't stay at your house. But we're in California because we'll be your roommates. True crime. Yeah. True crime. That would be horrible. I promise you, I won't kill you both. Thank you. He only looks weird when he said that. He said. You know what I mean in the eyes. I probably know. You couldn't. No, I would never. I would. You couldn't. I would. Far too scrappy. All right. Oh God. Yeah. She's hollow scrappy. I would. Can we change stuff here immediately? Yeah. I don't like this. Really going to keep it bad. I do like where we got to. Hey, we're going to name this. Matthew Lillard is a real murderer. There's nothing you can do. Yeah, I think he could probably sue us for definition. I have saying nothing. Maybe we should have you signed something before you go. All right. So the curve, my question was basically that Tim is a really dark character. Were you looking for specific characters around that time that are like darker than stew? I think it's important to point. I like pointing this out like 99% of my career has been based on opportunities that come that have to say yes to feed my kids. I don't make enough money to sort of be like, yes, I'm not working for three years after that. Yes, I'm not working. I don't have that kind of luxury. I think that when people see people that are quote, quote, famous or you recognize, you know, so many of us are like, you know, number five or six or seven on the call sheet. And our industry, especially now, is more interested in making a higher margin than they are making a good movie. And what that means is that the people that aren't green lighting the movie are not paid. In fact, very famously, you know, I know that Kiana Reeves gives a portion of his money to the other sort of character actors so that he can work with great actors because I won't work for scale 10, you know, and 99% of the time unless it's Mike Flanagan calling saying I need a favor. Yeah. So yeah, so it's it's a, um, when this movie came around, it was like my third movie or four movie or is that a no, I done scream. I think you're right. I think you might come out. I don't know. It's right before I think I heard him off first. Yeah, because scream was 96. And I think this was 98. I want to say. Oh, maybe tears. Yeah, I didn't. Yeah, scream. Yeah, scream is a great example. People don't know. I don't talk about that much, but I shot the, huh? But you feel safe here. I do. I actually do. And I want to, if I'm going to tell anyone, I'd rather tell you. Okay. But scream like we, we worked for four weeks. I got paid $5,000 a week. Wow. So that's, by the way, if you have paid $5,000 a week, your entire year to pretty good year. It's pretty good. You're making a lot of money. Yeah. But if you don't then work for another, you know, yeah, eight months, nine months. That's not that much money. And you are paid as if you're making $5,000 a year. So the tax bracket, you're in the top. You have an agent that takes 10% before taxes, 10% as a manager. It takes four gross. So you're, you're making a, you know, $5,000 an episode, you're probably making $2,200 bucks. Damn. And then the movie then goes on to make billion dollars worldwide. And I have gotten paid, you know, fourth thought, you know, and this is crazy. You make residuals. But residuals aren't crazy. Yeah. And it's based on what you make the first time. Right. So this idea of like people are like, you know, you're rich. You're in movies. I'm like, that's not. Anyway, shape of form. Now I've definitely had movies where I have been paid, which have given me a, a comfort in life that I totally acknowledge. And I'm very privileged. But the reality is that majority of my life has been stuck in this realm of, I don't know how I'm going to make it. Yeah. You know, at one point, my wife and I sold our house, sold our cars and went back to, I fired my agent, my lawyer, my manager and three consecutive phone calls. And I was like, I have to reset. Yeah. And the reason and reset is because I thought I was the shit and the reality was I was not. I thought I was a star. I was not. I thought I would just, I thought I would deserve big movies. And I'm like, oh, I may never get another job ever. And at that point, I had kids and I was like, well, if this is the case, what am I gonna do? - Yeah. - Like, how am I actually gonna feed my kids? And my father-in-law who I adore, at that point, it said, you know, if you sold pharmaceuticals, you'd make a lot of money 'cause you're really charming. And I was like, I've done fucking 30 movies. - You're like, what? - I'm not going to like, hey, Viagra, like, time, life. I'm not going door to year, I'm not going to pressure. - Yeah, it's also like, it's complete. I would be doing what I'm doing no matter what. Whether I'm making money or not. And I was like, oh, but if that's the case, then if I don't get a chance to ever do another movie, then what am I gonna do? And I was like, oh, I'm gonna sell everything. We still live in the house we bought, or more, you just $1,600 a month. My wife went back to work, I went back to work. I drove a Prius for 10 years. - Hell yeah. - And it's a great car, it's an amazing car. And I love driving the Prius. And every time people are like, why are you driving the Prius? I'm like, 'cause I have no money. And the other thing is, the people are like, why are you selling your house? And my wife and I, my wife really had a hard time with it. 'Cause we had this beautiful house, we loved our house. But I'm like, I can't live like this any longer. Because it's all bullshit. We're like, it's all spoken mirror. - Yeah. - And I would go around and people are like, why'd you guys move? I'm like, 'cause I can't afford it. I'm not working. And the more I like go of the shame of struggling, the more I became confident who I was as a man, as a person. And I could say to my kids, yeah, we sold the house 'cause we didn't have the money. We just changed the way we live. And now I'm teaching acting. And I was like, I'll just make money as a teacher of the rest of my life. And then along comes the descendants with George Clooney. The single greatest role in the history of cinema, because I steal George Clooney's wife. - Hell yeah. - And never happens. - It happened. - And but it happened. - Apparently it didn't. - This guy did it. - I do it actually because it was fake. - And you know, that's an election. - It actually didn't happen because it was fake. According to you. - Yeah, but it works again. - It works again. - Using your own logic and the system. - It works again. - It works again. - That's like, wait, I was really proud of you for a minute. - You know, that whole thing was like amazing and changed everything. - I love that. And we do that a lot. - Oh my God, nobody ever calls us out. - We do. - We do that bunch of times. - Yeah. - We know shit. - It definitely is a lot. - Yeah. - Well, and also you taught your kids to adapt. - Yes, well, yes. - That you can adapt. - Yeah. - And that can work out. - I have two artists, two of my three kids are artists. And our rule in our house is that we pay for college and happy to pay for college. And when we're done paying with college, we're done paying for your life. - Oh, a lot of you. - How do you run your own? - I mean, that's bad. - That's super bad. - You're always welcome here. We love you. We always bail you out. - This is your home. - Yeah. - You're like a safety net, but it's really sucks, but you're on your own. - Yeah. - And it's hard because my oldest is really an artist and she's having a hard time working three jobs. - Wow. - And we live in LA and then doing our, on top of it, it's like almost impossible. - Yeah. - But that's the. - It's character building. - That's the, I mean, that's the reality. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Well, should we end? We have a minute. Should we end on, would you rather, we'll go wrap it by our rapid fire, would you rather? - Right. - Would you rather get creative here though? - I was gonna say, you know what we're talking to you all. - Okay, yeah. - All right. - Would you rather be trapped in Stu Mocker's house with ghost face or trapped in you in high school on Carrie's prom night? - You, I would rather be, Carrie's prom night because it's the culmination of her, like, winning the day and I'd rather be a part of that than some teenage slasher's wet fantasy. - Hell yeah, I love that. - Great answer. - Yeah, if I'm gonna be carnage, I wanna be in the name of serving a girl who's like rising up and doing the badass superhero. - Having real good for her moment. - Yeah, exactly. - Yeah, I like that a lot. - Would you rather never act again or only play one character for the rest of your career? - Never act again. - Damn. - I feel like you just tried it. - Yeah, I was gonna say that kind of thing right from that. But I would then pivot to being a night at medieval times or like a fight choreographer or like a teacher. - Yeah, you would get it. - I would find something to do, but I would never just play. I mean, I will say that, you know, the golden handcuffs of doing like a CBS show and you're like, "Oh, I'm making a zillion dollars." I don't, nothing against them, there may be a time they do that. But three out, I think that would be really hard for me. - Yeah, I kept that. - You make a lot of money, but I'm not here for the money, because I would, like I said, it's like who I am. I love to act and if I'm not, if I can't play, if it's not fun, then I don't know, I don't know if I would do well in that environment. - I get it, that's nonsense. - Yeah. - All right, spend one more year in 1996 or jump ahead and see 20, 46. - 1996, fully because I'm terrified of a 20, 46. - Same. (laughs) - That's exactly how I feel. - Would you rather spend a night inside Freddie Fazbear's pizza or spend a night alone in the 13 Ghost House? - Fazbear's because I play waymaphed in and I run those bastards. - Yeah, and you didn't fare well in the other place. - Yeah, yeah, no, yeah. And also that place isn't real, but Freddie's Fazbear's seats. - Wow. - He strikes again, we're still doing this. - All right, rapid fire moving on. Would you rather have to escape Ghostface with me who has a weapon, but no plan? - Right. - Or escape with Elena who has an elaborate plan, but she lost her weapon. - You could bring on this. (laughs) - Remember you're in a fight with a lady. - Yeah. - I'm gonna go weapon, no plan. - Weapon, I had a feeling. - Yes. - I feel like you do need a weapon for Ghostface. - I didn't, I feel like that. - Yeah, but we're nobody's making it alive. So I don't want to hang with her. - I am, I'm making it alive. - You're nuts. - I am. - You don't have a weapon. - I have a plan. - You're scrappy too. - I'm scrappy saying I have a plan. - You have no idea. - Yeah. - This is an autopsy technician. - Right. - She has a weapon all the time. - Yeah, yeah. Okay. I don't think any of us are making it out. - I think I'm making it out. - I can make it out with a weapon. - Oh, miss you. - You know what, what kind of weapon is it? - Big knife. - Okay. - Is that your weapon? - I'm still with a weapon, yeah. - Okay, cool. Love it. - Well, I'm making it out there. - I'll miss you guys. - Love the breaking up now because of the weapon. - Yeah. - I told you it's at the end of the show too. - There you go. - Very last one. - All right, the last one is have, would you rather have William Afton as your roommate? Or Tim from the curve? Maybe set your kids. - Is he already graduated? - Yeah. - Tim will take Tim from the curve, he is one. - Dan is a 4.0, he is a 4.0. - He went off to make a lot of money. He's fine. - He would tell them stories that would rock their world. - That's what I'm saying. - That's what I'm gonna have to do. - William Afton would kill my children and stick them in title and trigger it. I mean, he's going away. - Oh, wait. He's just your roommate. - So your William Afton's roommate or Tim is babysitting your kids? - So you could get real meta and as William Afton, Tim, your roommate. - That's true. - This is the weirdest way to end this really lovely - You're welcome. - Aw, morbid. - Happy New Year. - I will take whatever the audience suggests, where they'll write in campaign and tell me what it should be. - Oh, it's a hard thing. - Thanks for the numbers there. - Yeah, you like that nice. - There you go. I need you to answer every single one of them. - Yeah, okay. - I like that. - You guys, those super fun. - This was so fun. - Thank you. - What do we do again? I mean, obviously, we're going to be in San Diego. - The studio's on the show again? - Yeah, oh, yeah. - You guys can wrap it up. - You can wrap it up. - You can wrap it up next time. - We'll get through it next time. - I don't think we will. - Yeah. - I think we're okay. - What other, oh, you have the horror podcast? - Yeah. - I like this podcast. - And the rewatching. - What do we usually talk about? I want to talk about, what do you guys usually talk about? - Well, we either talk about like true crime, or we talk about like paranormal stuff. We talk about weird history. - Okay, that's what we end up somehow. I thought you were going to talk me through that. - Well, whenever we have a guest on, we usually kind of make it a little more tailored toward them, but if you want to get like true crime, - I don't really like true crime, but I think I would be interested. - What about weird history? - Like a dancing plague. - Or like bog bodies? - Bog bodies? - Yeah, whatever. I'm down. - All right. - I like you both. - We like you too. - Yeah. - This is great. - So fun. - All right. - I don't think too, this very long podcast as we-- - I don't think they're never going to make it. - They're here. - Do you think the weirdos will complete the gauntlet that is a podcast? - Yes. - And I think the last four-- - I think we were. - We were, we just talked for 17 hours. - Yes. - And the last four more. - And they're going to want you back. - No way. - Yeah. - They absolutely love. - I bet you they don't. I bet you this is the end of my career. - How much money? - Like people will be like, "Why are you didn't Matthew Little Joe?" And they'll be like, "Ah, he did that fucking podcast as soon as popular "and successful that everyone loves and he bombed." - No. - You see how fast the self-deprecation came back? - I know. - It really did. - I have this thing. - I have this thing where I'll be like, I'll go to an event. I'm like, what if nobody shows up? - Oh, I do that. - That's what I'm supposed to do. - We thought you weren't going to show up. - I have a lot of investors. - Well, that was because I've been literally talking since 8 a.m. - No, but even before we were like, "What if he just ghosted us?" - We were like, "What if he just ghosted us?" - No. - We said, "What if ghost face ghosts us?" - No, yeah. - I didn't, but I didn't, I'm totally here in the flesh and blood. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Well, are you like that you got a flinch? - I didn't know what you were doing. - I'm going to pet you. I've been petting you the whole time. - I don't know if it changed. - You have to end that way. - This is the next time we come out. This is the moment when we're getting through tattoos. - You know what? Like one big fucking ghost. - Hell yeah. - This is right there. - First, you have to do the sign-up. - Oh, okay, I got it. Ready? Well, we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it. 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