Carrick Can’t Fix United, Players Under Fire & Glazers Must Sell | Stick to Football EP 155

Stick to football is brought to you by our title partner, Disney Plus. Watch a lifetime of great stories on Disney Plus. Ian, I got stitched up. Virally. Karen, we got stitched up. They did it to me as well. We don't normally do this, do it. No, right. But last show, I went viral, because it looked like I didn't know what song the line was. Whilst we're living the dreams we have of children right away. Yes. Yeah. They cut the edit as if it was from the master plan, right. But I'd already said before that, it was from fade away. And they cut it as if it was from master plan. So basically, everyone's now hammering me online because I don't know a way to sing songs. And it's because the edit went, "Why did they do that?" "Why did they do that?" I said, "Can you come in and explain the edit please?" What went wrong with the edit? Why would you do that to him? Jesus, man. Literally made me look like a fool. And I do know my way to lyrics and songs. Basically, a way to acknowledge, isn't it? It did it to me as well, because they made it sound like I said it. Why do we edit it? Why do we edit it? By the way, you put it straight out. Exactly. Oh, the interference of production and directing. We were just too excited about "Don't look back on anger." A Disney+ original to do a proper edit. It's important to you, isn't it? It's just a pride. Yeah, I'm sorry, that was a fuck-up on our behalf. It's a pride, it's a pride. But thank you for messaging me on something morning about it. I appreciated that. It was a soulful massive. You're happy at the moment, yeah? You look winning games and everything. You beat Fleetwood, yeah. So, your Champions, now? Yes, SoulField. Well, right. I see you. Did you watch the Monday night? Well, you watch SoulField, aren't you? Well, you watched it. Well, you're SoulFielding and Walsall on Monday. No, we're SoulFielding and Walsall on Monday. Oh, you're a really good game. Yeah, it's really good. We're at both teams. Walsall, fantastic as well. Right, if I was surprised last night Fleetwood. You know something. I mean, Weldon's a Fleetwood, by the way. Yeah, you got it. Yeah, but like, you know what you got to expect when you're, when you're going to play Fleetwood, because they're going to get stuck in. Yeah. Their game plan was perfect, weren't it? You know, let's go out there, put them under pressure, see if we can get the early goal and then defend. But if you're going to miss chances, like we're going to miss chances, then of course you're going to give them more impetus to keep going. Yeah. And they did. Are you seeing me in the tackle? The tackle. Yeah. I, I, it wasn't ascending off. No way. That was a bad tackle. Yeah, it wasn't a bad card, wasn't it? Jesus, he just need to just cut. It was underlined, right? He's on the line. Like the car shows you. Exactly. You're sorry, didn't you? Yeah. Right, you see it? Yeah. He's lit. He's on the line, and it's one of those where he's getting ready to turn like that. And the fella's just flowning. Yeah. No, he's exactly what he's doing. He's doing exactly what he's doing. Honestly. Yeah, definitely. You know, once he sent him off and everything, I was like, okay, for no problem. I was more worried that that could have been a real, yeah, a real, but was it, was it there, was it the pet challenge, do you think, of the reaction that does get a red car? No, I don't care. I don't care. If you put it on a tackle, I don't care. The folding, folding against broot, broot, broot, broot, and you're in the down there. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's the kind of tackle that you know that he's trying to hurt me, because Max reacted like anyone would be. What are you doing? And then he just went like that. I'm just pleased that he did it. Better our boss. He would kill us with stuff like that, to ferro, when he would be like, like, a vol-- Going into the-- He would say, get around. He would say, make sure he would say-- Let's move on. I'm just glad. You can't act fast. Fleet would have got to get credit for the win, because they're good with their penalties. I know. The game plan went perfectly. It's take them to extra time, get to penalties, beat them, and they done it. But the only thing about it was that our Max was. And I think that Mikael before it would have said, like they would say to me, when I was 28, 29, listen, they're going to go for you. Of course. You've got to mix it with him. I didn't mind that. But you do, ultimately, we'll learn from that one. You've also learned from it. Like Marley Semen. I've got taken off for half time. Now we're talking about somebody who's played a lot of football in that under 23. That's not football. Yeah. That's not football. So in playing that-- Send back a gut rag doll. Yeah. Yeah. So that's lead to that. Yeah. If you get rolled in, you're going to get rolled in lead too. Yeah, but the thing is, again, it's a massive learning curve from it. It would be a massive wake-up call from his centre-up, because he's a good player. Yeah. But you do need to have that kind of experience against that curve. Well, I wasn't going to go here. But I felt quite strongly on Saturday. And I looked at the stats of Rodgers and Palmer, the last four or five games. They've knocked on the top, and the first five games they did, they did really well. See, there's a problem. That's not the petulence. I just knocked their petulence on Saturday, the reaction of Palmer. And then-- Call Palmer could have been sent off for that. Yeah. I thought that was a bigger reaction than Max would have been sent off. Yeah, 100%. Definitely. Yeah, because-- I was not sent out Rodgers having to go with somebody ever to land. So one, just to unite again, is it? I don't know. One, just to unite again. No, no. Not to unite again, sorry, dude. But it's a spurs game. Yeah. But the previous week he examined a bit. What did you think of that? Did we do something that-- They're not performing right now. Just a bit of pet, just a bit of angry. I don't know. What do you mean, between-- Yeah, I just-- I left the game. I didn't think Chelsea played well, and I was really disappointed in it. And I was-- Spurs were fantastic. Actually, is there something just-- Is there something like that? Well, there's a problem there with Chelsea. I don't really think of bringing somebody experience plays in sort of like hell, sort of different thing. There's so many red cards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think Rodgers did he leave one on Connagalaga, because I think he was trying to stick up for his mate, because he thought Connagalaga overreacted to Palmer's. That's what I felt when I was watching him. I might be wrong. He caught Connagalaga. Yeah, it was bad. Oh, it was bad. Yeah, he caught him. Yeah. [MUSIC PLAYING] Harry Kane, let's do Harry Kane for us. Let's do a positive thing before we go. Oh, wow. How great was that? You were there, weren't you, Jeremy? Yeah, it was a good thing. You look well, Jeremy. It was good. You love a gig as well. You love a red card. And your wafer. You do love a baby, man. I was supporting my teammates. Too much. Too much. Too much. Too much. Too much. Too much. Too much. Too much. You were-- I was a producer. Obviously Kate was doing the-- Yeah. Yeah. So it was more-- it was the producer. Where was it at? London, palladium. Oh. I heard there's a lot of-- it's like the auto queue was going down. It was like a nightmare. No, no. It was on TV. It was going to a break. So it was like a bit of a-- Yeah. So what was on the red cap? But what'd you do? You just walked-- did you have to walk? Yeah. And get a photograph and bend your leg. And whatever they do. Sorry, I'm sorry. I hit them. But I see people at these functions. I'm like, what are they doing at this function? What? Who do you think-- who do you see that was there? Oh, the ether. Why is that there? Of course. Me. If you want to get to Tuxedo and go to a gig in London, if you're not obviously involved in it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, you must be crazy. I thought it was in London. Yeah, I got the next time the game was going to win. Of course. What did the people there get on their photographs? People, what are you doing there? But they love it? But the witness that moment, I think, Kavikin, when it was that-- No, it was beautiful. It was not what I was so happy for. I mean, I don't know him that well. I don't know him that well. I don't know him that well, he's not a Liverpool player. Right. He's a good player. He's a good player. You know what the thing is, is that. Right, even you would say, he's a good in this one, eh? Come on, in to every way. He's journeyed. What do we use it? I've so, so pro. Good play. You know what was really nice, Roy? Okay. The reaction. I know what it is. You know what it is. You know what I like. No, Gale, what I loved about it was, you know, everybody's saying how he's favourite, isn't it? But his reaction felt very real. Like, he still wasn't expecting it for some reason. You know what I mean? It was nice. You know what I thought was Liverpool? How they keep it that secret, were it? Yeah, we know. He must know. Because all of it would, eh? He don't. I think, I know what you have, I'm saying. You know, kept a multi-billion pound ill-seek. Yeah, like he gave me a ball and all secret. So you think he sat down for them awards, he didn't know. I think his reaction said that he was surprised. It's all. There would be a leak, you know. There would be a leak if they knew. Yeah. So what you just find out, wouldn't you? Yeah. And the fact that the other people, I think, they're going to win it there. So if everyone knew who won it, you won't get, and Bappie, are you, you know, the big mouth turn, what you're not. Yeah, I must say one thing. And obviously, you'll know better than me. But when I was at England Cup, and Harry Kane was there, it was always so professional. Nobody, he wasn't. I think for young players, you said the other day about maybe players not being in professional. I think he does do everything that I can. Everything he's getting as a reward? Yeah, which is great to say. It's a brilliant story. His story is brilliant. We're going back to this sort of awards thing with the PFA player. He's got a story, you know, everybody's got a story. Of course he's got a story, but I just want to use the work in a sausage factory. Yes. Everyone's got a story. But what I'm saying, the building site was a walk down in half-license. We've all got a story, you know. From what I'm saying, he's got a great story. I watch Bob Dylan, I say, "What a story that is." It's a great story. Amazing. The way Harry. The way it went for Harry, though, is what he's turned into, and the amount of how hard it was for him with all those loans. I just think, "Brilliant, he kept going." You know what I saw? It was AI. But I thought it was. No, no, no, no, wait a minute. It was AI, but it was, it showed him with a ballon door, sitting down with eight-year-old Harry Kane. And, you know what I mean? It was, it was just nice. Even though it's AI, I don't tell my misses and my girls, 'cause there's that AI. But it's a team game, it's beautiful. Let's go about it. It is a team game. Yeah, right. I think the team would be happy for him, though. I was going to ask about that, because the ballon door to be fair, I have never cared to hoots about it for the last 20, I don't care about it, it's an individual award, it's been something. But it's actually got, it seems to have got more bigger and prominent and more. And I always thought that, and I've said this before, Ronaldo was the first person that I ever heard, our Ronaldo, the United Ronaldo. He was the first person that ever heard, speak about wanting to win personal honours in the ballon door. I remember him saying, "I want to be the ballon door winner." And I thought, "That is just so against the sort of grain of what we'd heard at United. Everything's collective. If you win the PFA play, it's because of my teammates." And at the time, it was like, we don't always have a problem with it. But I get it now a little bit in terms of the prominence that it's given Ronaldo. - It's become a massive war. - That's fine if they say a Gary, as long as they still put in the team for us. - Yes, yes. - Of course, that would be the back-on-dune stop. - They're not going to win it unless your team are competing to win big trophies, even by our last year, obviously the came close to Champs League don't really obviously domestically, like they always do, amazing with England. So you do have to put your team for it, and then you will get them rewards. But not your other way around, lad, you still get players going, "Oh, one on with this, what about the team?" No, no, no, no, you've got it the wrong way around. - Yeah. - We've seen it last year with you now. Do we see players getting bugged on by individual awards? - Yeah. - There's too much. - But they're very popular winner. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's what you saw. - He dedicated it to his team mates as well, then he recognises that the service he gets and everything. - Yeah, there was quite a few of them there by my year, can I, you go back to show? - Is that my hat over there? - No, that's too small to shoot. - That's my hat, man. - Is it? - It's doing over there. That's my hat been looking for that, huh? Give it to me. - Is that fit on your head? - Yes, sir. - What's going to be known, sir? - Because it's my hat, it's supposed to be on my head. - Oh. - We're going to have this morning. - No, I've been looking for this hat for ages. Now, come back, I've just looked, I'm just sorry. That's my hat, bro. - How many hats have you got on? - I don't know, but this is mine. Is this my hat or not, Ben? - Well, no, no. - I'm just saying, how would you know that's one's missing if you've got three towels in? - I've only got one orange one. - All right. - It looks good. - I don't think it's anybody else's. - Thank you. I can't see you in this one. - Did you do something to show on people your hats or something? Did I pop up my. - What's it called? (laughing) - It's not mine in our business, so I'm gonna pop up and show people that hat. - People were interested in what happened to hats. People were in the hard state. Let me show them my hats. So I'll show them a couple of my hats. - Could you bring next record in your 10 favourite hats? - All right, yeah. - Well, all where one of your hats? - Yeah. - My 10 favourite hats? - Yeah. - Okay. - Going back to awards, the PFA player of the year, they did use to get, 'cause if you remember, like since they say, we were playing on Sunday or we were playing on Saturday, and you had to get down to London for it, they would give you a little nod like two or three weeks of course, they wouldn't say you wouldn't be saying, Roy needs to be there, you know, an example, you know me. - You're a team, it's won't be there, but. (laughing) - It's true. - You don't even know what to do. You don't even know what to play as well, but players wanting to come to my one, who I play with, they didn't come. - They didn't come. - Well, I'm not wanting to hold the grudge, you're aware of that. (laughing) - That is so, honestly, I would never let you not forget that one. But then guy, they want to know, Roy's not coming down if he don't know, he's wanting to. Roy, would you come down if you don't want to go down, when I want it? - That is a big one to win though. Is that thought by the players or what? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I think the PFA player of the year is the number one award that you can win, I think, in this country, for an individual award. - It's one of the players. - Yeah, but you've said before a lot of players that have little hang-ups with players, you know what I mean, who they're voting for. You've said that before, haven't you? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But it always seems to work itself out, Roy. - Yeah, I support some. I've never really seen the beer on deserving winner, you know, me. - I know, I can argue, me, sometimes 50-50 or whatever, but the team of the year usually represents the team of the year and it usually works itself out. There can't be many of them. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - We used to get a nice trophy if you were in, like, team of the year. It's like a nice little trophy. But I think as it's voted for by the players and, like, opposition players, it means, it doesn't mean a lot, definitely. - This episode of "Stick to Football" is brought to you by Disney+. - Right, should we move on to you? - This is another chat GP take. - This is the rule in order. - It's basically, so we've decided to do. - Oh, I really like it. - It's a crazy thing. - Change of colour this week, isn't it? - Very yellow. - Basically, now rather than just sort of. - Oh, even on the. Is that the green and gold? Is that the. - Yeah, like. - Yeah, really cleverly. - "Stick to Football" we've got the green and gold. - Jamie is pissed. - It's layered, it's layered, it's pissed. - He's acknowledged. - He's acknowledged. - Harricane stats, cane ball and door. Biggest cup shot. - He didn't yellow. - Yeah, we had the biggest cup shocks in there. Just in case we got it to get into fleet with him. So what's the biggest carabouin F.A. cup shocks? Is the Harryford one, the York one against us? Northampting against Liverpool? - What was the York one? What was it? - The York beat us in the. - That's the rest of the. - Oh, put it out. - I must have said, that was a big shock. - What's that? - He's got a carousel. - What's carousel? - You saw one for me last night about it. - Carousel. - Oh, oh, you made me guess, oh, sorry. - Have you got a charity you want to promote? - Oh, you got some guests here from a charity brewery from one of the guys at the back there. - Well done. - Oh, well done guys. - What charity is it? - Go on, give me a shout out. - Oh, charity, it was. So Paul, what was your charity or the ball? - The what, sorry? - So his own foundation. - Oh, it's a little Paul, a little Paul, there you go. - Did you have a lot of foundation? There you go. - Yes. - Right. - Well done. - Right. - Right, man, she united. - Wow. - I'm just gonna throw it open. - All we do is talk about Man United. - I know. - Yeah. - Isn't there a mistake to unite it so that we don't speak about you and I? - It's got about Man United. - Why don't we just put that old clip in? - Man United. - What's the old clip in? - Man United back. - Man United, I've got city of the front, of the back. Pages. - No, they're always on top of city. - Right, I'm gonna start with you. - I'm gonna start after you don't have to start. - I'm gonna start with a general question. What, what do you make of what's happened in the last week going from coma or through to Bournemouth and then obviously the new just there that Michael Carrick would continue? - Not what I make of it. - Rick, can I just say, do you think they're just getting in through, 'cause these next run of games are quite tough. Do you think they're getting in through those run? - Yeah, do those before and after. - But you hold obviously like any manager, when you get a little bit extra time, you can, you hold obviously, you can turn it around. - They can't come though. - And again, the performance is obviously recently have been, been shocking. And there's been a lot of, whatever the media's been, it's obviously towards the manager now, obviously, a lot of maybe not sympathy. People taking pity on him a little bit. Which I've said before, I don't think that's a good place for a manager to be. The performances against coma. Then all, even that was kind of forgotten about because of Bruno's comments after the game. To the care enough to players, people talking about the board level and the on as well. I can start talking about what can rock and drop rolls if you want. How far do you go back? And that's not a quick fix, but I think for a statin' point, for the players of the weekend, just show a little bit of your care. That's a statin' point. Obviously, the sort of stuff has to be fixed. You think last week, we're all watching football, we don't like sitting around watching managers get sacked, but that's the first thing when managers get sacked, we say, "Well, it's a result-driven business." Everyone says that. Burnley manager lost his job. Bromley manager lost his job. Crawley manager. There's people who've done, they lose their jobs. How about you, the first thing they say is, "Well, it's a destruction." No, no, I didn't get enough results. So, he's in trouble with that group of players, isn't he? He's in trouble. And the problem is, he, we're not talking about the players, he needs the players more than they need him. They got him the job last year. He got a two-year deal on the back of it. Don't know, obviously, whatever's happened. Preseason, energy levels, Bruno's that perform, and keep his making mistakes. All these basic things they were doing really well last year, and they had a bit of momentum. They can't get it this year. Don't know what happened, preseason. Did they come back too early? Bruno, let's come back after the World Cup. Keep it made a big mistake of the World Cup. I've there lasted a little bit of confidence. Whatever all the stats about running, I know it's not good. Look at the goals far, they've won one game, get well beat by Brighton in the cup, it doesn't look good. But I'm glad he's been given time, and I don't mean that in a nasty. I would say that for most managers, if he's getting another opportunity, but as soon as they lose another game, if they lose to Chelsea and Sarah, there'll be the same conversation. So, no people are watching the TV, looking for a manager, a man to lose his job. That's what you're waiting for. Were you expecting it after Sunday? I probably did. I did, and even with the managers, where does the reaction work on the pitch? Again, I don't get that bit walking on the pitch after every match. But that's a bit of a side issue. Right, I thought I was in the stadium. I thought that effective, there was a farewell lap. I thought it felt like to me. But even the one in Cornwall, just stuff in Cornwall seemed a bit weird, and I don't, listen, I don't get all that. I don't know why managers do that. But that seems to be the part of the piece of the moment. Lots of managers. We got back to it. I had a player's play in front of him. Well, the players are contracted to Manchester United. They're contracted to Michael Carrick. Managers will come and go. But if the players aren't, and they don't, when people go, I don't care, they might care, but they don't care enough. They don't care enough. I'll be talking about stats, and we all have opposite of people. Your stats are important. Of course, they're particularly for goal scorers or whatever. And I always felt that if you're a midfielder, if you just cover the yards, even if you have to be smelt with it, I get it. Surely that's on the manager in it, right? The runnings. Well, I don't know about that. But I always think if you run a bit more, you might get the break of a ball. You might get a little bit of luck. But the goals they're given away, the gaps in the team, when he got to job last year, and Carrick went in there, people said, "We set it from there one. "We didn't think it was probably good enough long-term." Sorry, we've said, "Sorry, managing a few games, "all of a sudden you've got to manage the football club." And that's pre-season expectations, recruitment, you do. You are involved in that. And did we get results last year? But not all of a sudden, and when he got results last year, people said, "You got to give him the job, why?" Because of results. No, then I'll get the results. Oh, it's the board. It's Wilcox, it's somebody else. It's all part of the package, I get it. Hard, but the culture at the training ground. I don't have to know what happened pre-season. But Michael Carrick is cautious to have Johnny, Woodgate, Holland. They're still lucky boys to be involved in that man United. But they have to grow up here. I said, "Get results on Saturday." Get results at Chelsea. They kind of had it leads. But we're here, and again, we're here, lots of stuff coming out. Players are training one last week. There are good groups, someone's apologised, blah, blah. The winter leads, after a match, again, this idea, we got to draw it lead. You're like, "What's your expectation?" But then I give them a thumbs up. "Yeah, you dug in, you got a result." No more happens in coma. The mighty coma, I watch coma, do we previously? Are we fine or are we desperate? I think fine, I'll beat them three-one. Then United go there and lose four-one. It could have been six or seven against coma. And you think, "Hey, like all of us, "set backs is part of sport." What do you want? There's a manager, a player going. That's where we need a reaction. Mae'n ni'n ni'n ni'n ni'n ni'n ni'n ni'n ni'n ni'n ni'n ni'n ni'n Yn yw'n yw'n dwi'n dwi'n mewn dwi'n dwi'n gwaith i'w'n dwi'n dwi'n dwi'n dwi'n dwi'n dwi'n dwi'n dwi'n dwi'n dwi' Mae'n rwy'n ddwy'n gweithio'r ffais. Mae'n rwy'n gweithio'r ffais. Mae'n gweithio'r ffais. a'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio. A'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio. A'r gweithio'r gweithio. A'r gweithio. A'r gweithio. A'r gweithio. A'r gweithio. A'r gweithio. A'r gweithio. 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Yeah, so what is that? I've not seen the rival. Yeah, the play is in the topless, so get tune in. And the way the top. And the skull was loveful. So basically, what makes a brilliant rival in football "Who's the biggest rival that you've ever had?" Club and personal, like, player that you've played against. Who's the biggest rival that you've played against? Well, like, on the pitch. As a club, I saw obviously Tottenham, isn't it? And then there's a player that you've played against, who's your biggest rival? Well, not dislike him, just like. Yeah, dislike rivals. Is this the question? Oh, God. Remember, I keep Steven from Millwall, Rhino? As I say, Rhino's going to get you. LAUGHTER He was my biggest rival. Because I genuinely thought that he was going to. I was going to hurt me but he just got on with it but he was easily to right. And the thing is he went to Australia, we get on really well now, it's a lovely bloke, but I genuinely thought he was going to hurt me when I used to play. It's right now. So Tottenham and Keith Steve Roy. I asked not probably. I asked not because of the years and Patrick probably. Patrick. I know your friends. No, I wouldn't go out. Yes you are. Your friends. You are. You are. You are. You are close enough. I saw you in. It's probably like, we did that gig last night. Yn yw ymdol yn ddol. LAUGHTER Byw bywch yn cynhygol. Ymdol. Gwrdd. It's just had to do just be shy. I'm biggest rival. When I was at City, definitely Chelsea, cos it was always like us two gone for it, and Katie Chapman, we used to just kick this shit out of each other. Leverly, so yeah. Good. Good, Chapman. Mae'n gweithio'r ymwch chi'n yna, yna yna, yna'n gweithio'r yma, yna'n gweithio'r yma. Mae'n gweithio'r yma, yna'n gweithio'r yma. Mae'n gweithio'r yma. Dwi'n gwaith i'n gweithio? Ym gweithio, mae'r gweithio. Mae'r gweithio. Mae'r gweithio. Mae'r gweithio. Mae'r gweithio. Mae'r gweithio. Mae'r gweithio. I am probably going to say Robbie Fowler. We used to have some stuff going on the pitch with each other. We have good bad news, God, a lot of goals. We've got a great bad news. I've probably felt it sometimes at times. Carrow was always, you know, giving it my bad news about the fella. I would say, the night before, you know, if you were like, was the sun players that were getting your head a bit? I knew if I was coming up against Chapman, I'd be thinking about it a bit the night before. Like more than other games. I was there. Like a lot. Don't you have a few times I'm crusted. You never get crusted. That was going through a bit. Oh, God, you always talk about coming across. Right, it strikes me and he's like, "I didn't see you." Swivel, swivel. Right, remembers one moment. Oh, no. Did you have a few times that it knows one's right? It was one. It was one. Oh, it was once. Oh, it was. 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Liverpool at Manchester United probably did the teams i'w gwaith i'n gweith i'n gwaith i'n gwaith i'n gwaith i'n gwaith i'n gwaith i'n gwaith i'n gwaith i'n gwaith i'n gwaith i'n dwi'n gwneud o'r hynny, mae'r hynny'r hynny'r hynny'r hynny'r hynny'r hynny'r hynny'r hynny'r hynny'r hynny'r hynny'r hynny'r hyn But you think United's a level up from sort of other clubs in terms of the attention people can't handle it You know, deserves this TV. There's the press. It's just I don't know I just feel something like the people and the players and they just can't handle it Yeah, you want players to embrace that obviously get back to gone back. That's 20 or 20 years gone People obviously have been cantonic him and canton braced all and had the car We've got he's fine under stage. You know, but when we played obviously we people your memory can play tricks Yeah, we'd games where we'd be up against it. You go again, whatever talent we had We got whatever whatever happens to let's be had to be yeah And then hopefully you've got enough character when you're playing for the 60-70-80 toes and if you make a mistake or you're one and don't You can cope with it as soon as this team has a setback. It's like it's over There's no there's no blue note or do you have to play as no one getting getting together and go let's just talk it And I always say that even if we're against it against man City we got let whatever don't be beaten today Find a way to get a result And I think for a few years ago when he's looked designed to play he got what these lads be comfortable Have they got courage to play in front of the 60-70 toes in the same for real Madrid I'm sure Barcelona that courage you got we're under the couch. We're wandered on fans are restless now We're fine courage comes in different ways cordia give me the ball when I don't really want it because we're under pressure But these lads go down to go under too quick as some of them not good enough Absolutely, they haven't got the quality, but I still look at you don't even go just When you're tackled have a bit of pride in your defending. I just I might I couldn't imagine walking off Imagine getting beaten three or four in a little home. You're walking up You know how you you know fans people go we we short appreciation to the fans. Do you know how you really do that? But I get results. That's what fans really want to see I think when you've been well beaten you've not tried a leg and you're gonna go over and you're like this It's like a five is a fan is what I've gone. No, no Should have done it after 55 minutes when you're missing that tackle and have fun to have turned more than ever before I'm in terms of booing of the players. I've never seen that level of booing before. Of course Turn quick yeah, they've turned I mean the players have turned I thought full of five six weeks ago I was worried for Michael because I thought they'd just walk around the pitch But why are you worried truthfully? Why are you worried about Michael so much? I told you loads of managers have been sacked over the last week. It's not a case of people He's got it, but I said he shouldn't get the job right. Yeah, but great job that so he's got he's got to turn up and do something I've heard everyone's talking about the problems, Roy I'll be really honest with you Michael on Saturday I think did a good did a farewell lap around the pitch. He walked around that pitch and it was a resigned It was effectively a public resignation. He was basically saying I don't think I'm gonna be seeing you again They're gonna sack me. I'm sorry. I love you. It was that that was that was what I saw on Saturday No one's gonna take take that away from me in terms of my interpretation of what I saw. Yeah I was stunned just today when they I was happy as well actually that they hadn't sacked him, but I was stunned Yeah, why would you be stunned from that? I was stunned because what it tells me is that there is almost like a paralyzed effect above It tells me that basically they can't make a decision And when you can't make a decision as a leadership group or as a leader or as an owner of a club You're in real trouble. You've got to make really uncomfortable decisions. They made the wrong decision We we both said last year categorically you said it as well I think they should go on a point the best manager that they possibly can Michael didn't have the experience To be able to deal with this football club. He's only a very young in his journey. He's done a great job as an interim But pass the baton on give it to a new N.I.M. rate or a whoever it would be answered a lot Or whoever it would be that they could get gone find someone with the experience and the statesman likes sort of what would be positioned It might not be Calo Ancelotti. It might not be a N.I.M. there might be someone else there But on Sunday they're now in a situation where by I think they've looked at Eddie Howe and they thought You got to remember they got rid of Dan Ashworth. Yeah, supposedly because of he suggested Eddie Howe and Garofself get his manager They got rid of him so they can't go back there really. It's difficult one for them Psychologically when you when you dunk yourself in as an owner and you've said basically no That's not inspirational enough. We can't go there That's not the one we want and then you end up but it's just sort of an honor as all to say we might have got that wrong But that's what I'm saying to the other paralysed and then there's obviously N.I.M. and you can see why they might be a little bit excited But a little bit like is that an Amerim? Is that a ten hug? Is that a is that gonna work? So I reckon what's happened in the 24 hours after Bournemouth is that they've literally debated it back and forth I don't know this but it debated it back and forth to a point where they've basically got themselves into a muddle And they thought we just stay with him and I think staying with him is a result of the lack of planning the lack of probably available Options the lack of decision-making around the two people that probably are available and that's when I think you're really struggling Because what you've got now and I say this with There's sometimes a manager needs sacking for their own good. I needed sacking it Valencia I was happy that they put me out of my misery and do you know something? I went to see the owners and to be fair I know them and I knew them really well They'd invested with me. They were partners of mine and I said I completely understand it and said I would make that this Usually if I was you because I would because that's the way what you say Michael should say that to him No, I think my I think what you always say I said on Sunday after TV I think he can never say publicly. I think Michael Carrick would want to put out of his misery I really do I think the thought of going into that sailing around now. See those people who know I'm trying to get them and Trying to do that team talk before Chelsea and when you know the players just aren't having the result Those players know that Michael Carrick's not going to be there in two or three weeks. He knows it. They know it Everybody we know it. You know something football dressing. We've all been in football dressing rooms and they're quite Brutal places. They are when lads start speaking about managers And I didn't have it with the United could we never have that level of sort of what would be discontent in the dressing room But with England. I did and particularly I think around Glenn Hoddle when Glenn Hoddle sort of turned on the becks He turned on Teddy turned on a few other players and the plate that the toxicity in the sort of what would be the sentiment in the dressing room But gone if Bruno Fernandez the captain of the club who actually has been a great performer for the club for six years in terms of his Assisting his goals. He's been the one outstanding performer if he comes out and questions the managers tactics after a four-one Defeating coma where he's played like a drain yes, and he's been playing like a drain for three months and the rest of them have as well That is only one or two percent of what they're actually saying internally. So what he says those comments helped him Yeah, no That performs him to come and by the way the way in which the team was set up against coma was poor It was really poor. I still don't understand on Sunday And I just we're going to tactics here away from sort of bigger stuff But Yuri Telemans was a six. He sat in midfield at Villa, right? And Mount at Chelsea was playing like off the front Mount sitting in midfield alongside Belabor and Telemans is playing basically as I could I don't know what he's played Like I sent a forward almost what we're doing We've and all Telemans can't play with Cobb in Maine. We've established that we don't think you can get around the pitch But you can play with Belabor maybe yeah, and certainly on Sunday when they needed to get back into the game in the second half And they need to play so we carry on the job Steve Hullam was a great appointment What are they doing if if I don't do the basic coach or players in the best position being compact and happy I can vouch for I Steve Holland is a fantastic boss. He's a good assistant So I can bet you can vouch that she's seen his work, right? My point is I was happy when he brought him in because he originally had just Jonathan would get in Johnny Evans And it was Michael and I thought he needs something else that can be a little bit more sort of experience on the training pitch Right, you know, he's worked with top managers. He's been it sort of what would be high pressure environments I thought was a good appointment. The reality of it is now I think Michael was leaving on Sunday night I think Michael was resigned on Monday morning to basically losing his job Yeah, and they've not made the decision. I think because they're paralyzed He needs the players more than they need him I'm it's when you think about football and this isn't a nutshell. We're going to the players that they know he's gone But there was a place they're these are the same players who got them the job last year Hello, so they're running to show I think he likes them now right the players Do you think any manager can fix this like I know you're saying about Eddie how coming in I think the way the structure is It's just like you keep changing the manager. It's just the same. I'll come all the time Eddie needs the way Eddie plays he needs people who can run and but do you think it'll change the way money night It isn't the minute. I was trying to think of an analogy the other day and I was thinking of formula one I was thinking you know if you've got a shit car like shit structure He didn't change the driver as much as you want you're not going to get Yeah, but use the United could be doing better. Yeah, I don't think we've got the players But why do we smoke so much you've a when he got a job character even terribly manager and then he got it We're going Steve Holland if that was any other manager We wouldn't have been talking for hours about the number two if the top manager community got he started We're going hey Steve Poland. He's been a good. We got no. We wouldn't be talking about number two right The the reason we the reason that we said we look at the manager gonna have the man But the reason we said last year that Michael shouldn't get the job not was nothing personal is because we thought this might happen We didn't think it happens so quickly, but we thought this would happen anyway. We did we did yeah Because what happens like in anything else in sport and in life When he don't well for what 15 16 games and he gets it the key for any of us in terms of I don't care if it's when you're with your Children or man It's been consistent. It's doing it for years in years. Yeah, that's what makes the top managers and players you keep doing it So as soon as he got to job you're like, I know we've had a bit of fun here and I listen Just knew wasn't gonna work. You just knew it Because your backup you go, what's he got? We're talking about other managers you go Eddie hell whatever good or bad whatever You might think you go. There's a bit of a CV behind him. He's one of trophies Champions League he's managing Premiership six seven under two does experience dear. We're character. He's been in the championship Well, he knows the he knows the place. He loves the club People go on a post personality. This is not to do with his personality If I hear one more person that means the is a great guy He loves the club. What's that got to do with it? I don't know, John get into it. Oh, you got to get pushed to run for you. Look, Liverpool did this for years Didn't they were they appointed sometimes managers who basically sort of emotionally tied to the fans and then they sack them and then they brought and Liverpool went through this cycle. Manchester United did between now. It's so at some apples, but you know Manchester United went from SMAT BUSBIT to Wolf McGuinness to try and keep it in-house. It didn't work. Then he got to his franco-ferral, I think it was, and it was a tummy-duckity. Tummy-duckity was a bit more spiky one. Then they went for the safe one with Dave Sexton. It's a bit boring. Then they went for a flamboyant one with Ron Atkinson. So you're doing this all the time when you're trying to get it right. I've done that to solve for myself. Well, you think, "OK, we're going to go for a football, man. I'm going to go for a tough one." You try everything, and that's what this ownership I think of now. But our argument gone back and forth. Sorry. Well, our argument was gone back. Who was the best option? We could pick a few. It doesn't mean it's just going to work out. We still have to look at the best option. That's the thing for me. Manchinite, the job of the owners of the football club is many things. But they have to pick the best in-class manager for the football club, because the manager is the most important appointment in a football club. Fact. Because the manager can actually cover a lot of ills. If he's a great manager, and he can know what a player looks like, and he can get the best out of them, and he can put patterns in play, and you can get a system of working. It can cover and let you build behind other things. If you've got managers not getting results in the first team, everything else gets highlighted, and that's where the spotlight now comes on to. A sporting director who's never done the job before. A CEO who's never done the job before. Owners who, to be fair, have been failing for 20 years, and so the fact is now we've got a real problem. Just want to bring that to Bruno, right? Because I remember a debate on the show 18 months ago. You're a massive argument over Bruno Fernandez. How have you felt about how he has handled the last week and what he did after the call? Well, I can message. I sent you the message. He's, he's, he's done me up. He's done me up. He's done me up. He's done me up. He's done me up. Listen, I backed him because of what he, it, it, it achieved up to that point. He's dragged that team himself. He's done a lot of work himself, and he's probably frustrated now. He's probably given his best years at the United, and he's, and he's probably not going to. Does he wish he left, you think now? He probably, there's no way he wouldn't be thinking. It's not even a case of to go where, James, just to think to yourself, he would be thinking, "I could have done this, I could have done that." The fact is, is he's attitude in the way he is? I thought that he would have changed in the way. He's, I thought he's, he's example on the pitch and dragging him through would be something that wouldn't be poisonous in the dressing. Because I genuinely do believe that he's the one that was loading the gun. I said that, he's loaded the gun for Martin as just the way that he came out afterwards, and he was so, the way through Michael and the Abuster, you just see that he must be a nightmare in that dressing room. It was because he got brought off, that was it. It's just like, it's just like, there's something. What doesn't help a player? You know what? The good player's like Bruno, when they're taken off, and they're on the other side of the pitch. And they're like, "It is long, we're on the other side of the pitch." At least if you just go, "I can go down to Toronto." Even for the managers, I feel for the managers, who tunnelism behind. I'd like to have, like, the walk down the side. I had a sun that was great, I have a bad result, you stood up. I'd like to sit you for a walk down the side. With Bruno, I always thought, like, bring the players in and bring the kind of players in him that he would respect as well, because when you're watching everybody's upset with everybody. He's not no one in that team that does something that might pass it over there and he'll go, "Oh, cut." Let me just play devil's advocate, right? Bruno Fernandez, a fantastic player, a PFA player of the year. Now, you would put him in that sort of, what would be category of the top midfield players in the world, you'd have to. They'd just gone to Leeds, and they've effectively played like the underdog, Manchester United. They've sat behind the ball, they've played without Santa forward, they've played with Bruno and Telemans in this sort of what-be-strange position. He's sort of sat there thinking, "What the hell am I doing here on-side, you're a Telemans in this sort of what-be-full-sant-a-forward position?" My Santa forward's actually played. Please, Gary, I shouldn't be thinking about that. No, my point is that, and then, obviously, they've gone to Colmo. You just said, "Colmo or Bag of Sh*t, they've lost a fade-out." No, but the weak got really good on-create. They've gone to a fade-out, and they've just literally retreated into a ball and played such a defensive tattoo. Is he just sat there saying, "I'm the captain, we're in the United, what the f*ck are we doing here?" "We're so defensive, because I didn't like the tattoo, I said in the group, and very early on in the game he was calm, I don't like the way we set up here." Well, I'm not saying that, I'm not saying that. You're a gold-owned ad-a-ledical after a minute. You're a gold-owned against Colmo after a minute, too, so whatever way you're set up. Oh, great start, is it? Exactly. No, I get that, but is he just literally, Roy, thinking about the fact that, "You did a famous interview after we lost the Bayern Munich, it's completely different." "I actually came up on my phone yesterday, and he listened to it through to the group." That's what he said. "I stopped that." No, no, it was huge, definitely huge. So, basically, we win the Treble in '99, we win the league in 2000, we win the league in 2001, but we lose to Real Madrid in 2000, in the Champions League, and we lose to Bayern Munich in 2001. And it's a real disappointment. And Roy said this team has basically sort of got to the end of the world. I can see there's a few players who've dropped off. As Bruno got to that same, different circumstances, because we were still winning leagues by the way. Thanks, Gary, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm not in that. I'm not in that, I'm not in that. As Bruno got to that point, where he thought, "What are we doing here?" "This is just not good enough." Yeah. "The tactics aren't good enough." "The fucking play." I think that's totally different. No, but. No, obviously, as he got to the level of frustration, I think it's unforgivable to have got Michael Carichan throw him under a bus. I'm just, as he got to the point of just frustration. Yeah, of course he got brought off. And this thing in football, we're not saying he's wrong by the way, as such. It's just that we all know him football. You get a microphone just looking from here. You've got to protect the people. And it's not just players to the coach. How many times does a manager get beat away from home, three or four or anything? But a bad day, I haven't said. What about Jamie Carichan's steak at the back? Oh, it's not like him. I know he doesn't think that. But we've all got to tell lies in football to protect us as a football club, to protect the family that we're in. We'll sort of say that in the team, in the next morning. But he's on that because he was embarassed, walking around and brought off. And the Champions League, I'm on the best player, he brought me off. I'm playing with. Bruno probably looks around for them, plays with him, what the fuck, and I'm not even playing with him. That's why he's always thrown his arms about. And that's where it's come from, that embarassment he's taught. You're going to embarrass me. And then Carichan, you're getting one of me, then, you're just going to see. He was never bringing him on, no matter what the game was. If that game is too true, it's time for you to win. I think, when you're a trainer, don't, I think you should have brought him on. With five ten minutes, go, if he's trying to put a marker on, I'm going to put you on the tree. Let's see what you can do. Would he put the young kid on the tree? Yeah, of course. He should, I thought he should have brought him on, on Sunday, I'll be honest. I was in the stadium, the field, half-time, he used to be in the studio back in London. Even couldn't have had to come on, I think. That was my feeling. I know you're going to make a point around discipline, but you don't have him in the bench. If you're going to make a point around discipline, you're going to discard him from the actual team. Put him in the stand, don't have him on the bench, if you've not got no intention. But we don't know what he's put my character through in the time he's been there. We don't know why Michael Carrick actually did my job. You don't need to turn that in, because he's been quickly enough, aren't you? No, he's not. Why do you think he's been there six months ago? He's just. You're just six months ago, he's the best. Yeah, he's not the best guy. I was trying to put a case forward for him, our wellie, done up to that point. Obviously, now I've been shot down, but at the same time, why should Michael Carrick bring him on just because? We don't know what he's done with Michael Carrick, day in, day out. He's my embarrassing. Can you imagine, maybe in a team meeting, he might have called you, he might have said something, you look at Michael, right? There is no way Michael's not in that dress saying you haven't said that. He's doing that. Having said that, in fairness, apparently, he's trained really well. Look, they get pretty out of where he's taking it. If I'm Michael Carrick, I would bring him on just because I'm going to make my point. Because, like you're saying, Michael Carrick, whether he should have gone on, maybe like you said, Michael, the lap, maybe Michael, that's. I'm going to go, I'm not bringing him up, I came. But Michael's got to manage all that as well. We can't keep digging, we can't keep saying Carrick's a great. That's a part of his job, that's a part of management. Last year it was football results. Again, the last year he's got to manage. I go back to, honestly, I'm intrigued, and maybe I overthink things. I'd love to know what happened pre-season. What would he do in pre-season? That they've started the season so badly. Did they come back to Orally? Did they train too hard? Did they not train properly? Is there intensity in their training? The last few games on your stat and where they're statin' slowly? I don't want to be able to steam in the second half against Brighton. There's every aspect of football you're looking to go into a shot in that area. You've not seen, you know, you've got to go on. It's not Greg on four, but I tell you what, he rocks on it at the back. Oh, do you have to wear your own? It's not where you go. It's not to hang your hat and to go to a athletic job being in strung. They look like a good group. We've spoken to Lord's manager over the years, gone. Yeah, we've spoken to Lord's manager over the years. I've walked the manager, go, "Do you know what, Greg?" "Do you have a decent group?" I've given that, and they're all asleep, so I went, "Do you know what?" We survived that set piece of Lord, and people will find something to survive. But what will they go to Chelsea on Saturday? How will they survive against Chelsea? Who got well beaten by Sparrows last week by the way? Well, no, it's not the mighty Chelsea from years ago. What will we all sit in here? Truthfully, every week when you watch, and you think you know they're going, "What are you going to get?" Like, that's no good to anybody. Right, as a manager, you've been a manager. If your World Cup winning centre-half, it was probably the most experienced player in the defence, along with Harry Maguire, who comes out and launches into the ownership and the recruitment and the players and the sporting director. Then the weak lady, Captain, throws you under a bus. They are trying times, those. Absolutely. That's why it's a test and time for the manager, but that's part of his job. It's a test and time for experience, man. Exactly. What does it, let's just straightforward now, because I am struggling to imagine how this is playing out internally right now in that training ground. Oh, well. Gary, that's a million dollar question. The players on Monday, just something you said dry before, we were all waiting on Monday, we were refreshing our phones thinking, "This has got to come in the next couple of hours, this is coming." Everyone, everybody in the country thought that it was coming, and the players will have thought it was coming. And then they're going to use it in the morning, and Michael Taric is leading training. And then he's leading training today. How, what is possibly. What can he do in the next few days before Chelsea? What can he possibly do? What, what, what, what, what, what, you've changed it? Go back to the players, right? Go back to the players. At some stage, when you play football or your play, when you're trying to play Harry Cameron's eight years of age, all of us when we're young will play in football. something has to come from within at some stage. You have to go, what am I playing this game for? The manager, I might have a different manager next week. It has to come from, you have to have a bit, that pride, it's forced and foremost. Michael Carrick gave a speech last week. He mentioned gigs, he and all these boys and boys. I'll tell you what, they had a bit of pride. They have performances. - I think that's the point we should have to make. - Of course, that's the point he's trying to make. But it's, for these current international peers, you're on a blown up. That's something we've got. What's he's gonna do for Carrick? Now, what about yourself? - That's what I'm saying. - The bottom, even if you're tuned alone. - Yeah. - I mean, a year ago, you used to get advice off different people. People always get, you got to do it. So, I'm on my dad, you said to me, whatever happened to get stuck in. - Yeah. - Best bit of advice I've ever received in my life. Whatever's happening, get stuck in. - I don't like that playing for a manager thing, mate. - I don't know if it's because I only play for one team. - Same, I mean the same. - Play for a manager. But, I have a played for a manager. - What players do you play for managers? - When I get it, what I don't get is like, I'm taking back to when I was a kid playing football. So, when I stopped playing, whether it was because I only played for one club and no one bought me, if you like. But, if a manager bought me, and he was having a bit of a problem, and I'm just about to step onto the pitch to play. Am I more tuned in? Because the fellow there bought me or, I'm within the next manager who didn't buy me, I play for myself, not on a selfish way. But, I always play, 'cause if I played well, I know I don't go all night and I could sit and go, fuck, I like to go game there. Made me feel good, but the thoughts have gone onto a pitch and thinking, I'm not gonna be really at it now, because I don't like that fellow sat there. But if I don't play well, that's gonna piss me off and I get all night out, that I have a good, well, I don't. - I don't want to settle down. - I don't want to sit. - I carry you up with England. I did see players who, to be fair, found it. - Well, that's bad on them. - No, that's not the matter. - That's bad on them. - Found it difficult and switched off with managers sometimes, if they didn't buy into them. The one thing that I think could keep me going, though, is looking at the supporters in the stands and thinking about what they're thinking and the fact that all's good. - Exactly, that's right. - I'd say I played more for the supporters. - I remember myself, me with, it's a good point, with Ryok, when I was playing for Ryok, I knew that if I went out, he was picking me. If I went out and I'd just done it, sometimes we didn't even speak to each other. Never spoke to him, he'd spoke all week, didn't read, but he put me in a team and I knew he's waiting for an excuse to leave me out of the team. So I made sure that I was doing it for myself, 'cause if I'd done it for myself as a football, I'm gonna score scoring and then the fans will see it, the fans are still singing your name. The same with George Graham, George Graham, so I mean, sometimes he didn't speak for weeks. - I had it with Ireland, I had it with Ireland. I was never having made me care to it, whatever. I make wasn't a big fan of mine, but I'd never go to the pitch. You go, hey, if someone went to it, I want to qualify for itself. That's where you are, self-fished. You're a bit of pride. Wanna do it for your teammates and for you. I mean, you sometimes you have to remind teams, 'cause when you go to and do for everybody else, for yourself, just go and watch for yourself first. - Are these players capable of doing that in this next few? - Well, from what I've been told, the modern players, they're a quirky old bunch. I don't mean just you know, you did a lot of clubs. - Yeah, it's a funny old bunch, damn. - It's different. - It's different stuff. - For sure, you've got to manage them. It's not about doing coaching sessions. It's about managing a group. Managing a group too loud, you're thinking I'm not having them, and he's not having me. We have to manage it, just 20 out of players. We have to carry him. That's management. Doing a coaching session is, most people do it, it's a hundred, it's thousands of people who don't have air badge and pro license, but managing a group of people and getting them all inside, that's what makes great managers, you get them all inclusive and go, you're part of it. I know you're left out today, but you'll be ready for next week. You're all this little snippets. Frogs used to give Ollie, and buddy, and Ollie's like, who said, when I was left out, I thought, hey, don't worry, you'll be ready for next week. When you get on next week, you score the winning goal, and Ollie will be sitting there and going, yeah, yeah, I'm part of it, whatever. Hey, I'm upset, but I'm upset, but I'm still a part of it. Not when I'm getting upset. And being angry is a footballer, absolutely not. We should have to carry it out. It still carry your presence out of your football, it's gone, I didn't like doing a manager spoke to me, find me last week, for a nightclub incident. But I tell you what, some kind of town is my efforts on a football pitch. But you know the good leaders, the good players. This is what I think sometimes when I see the good leaders, if you're left out and things are going to shit for you, things are going to shit for the club, are you still being the one going, giving advice to cheerly, say, on a Monday or a Tuesday? Like, that's the sign of the good leaders, when things aren't going well for you, are you still giving it to the team? And I don't see that. I see these players where it's only when things are going well. But good leaders don't have to do all that. No, but I think it's something. I could lead to something. You could do that with your training and your winning most weekends, you drive the club forward. What are they doing now? Listen, if you're cranking them on the mountains, the last thing you want to do, I'm going to put my hammer on the young lad today. I'm looking after myself to death. That young lad has to survive like all of us. Sometimes you're not the older players, didn't need the young lad to give them a lift. It's not all about the hammer on the shoulder and it's carpet stuff and bulleted points and people with their cameras not only spoke what happens on a football pitch when the referee blows the whistle. I've got a bit of care. Do we have been brought up in what stands for wear in a certain jersey? And we talk about the big clubs we played for. We were very lucky. But I like to think we're not at a school by level. I think, if I played League of Rural and I haven't done that for core ramblers, the fact you're doing it for me is the same principles. Just a matter because it's man United, or notting a farce for the great Brian Cloth. If he ever came into me after a game, I'll show up here. So I'm like, are you putting the hard yards in? I'll be ashamed in my life. Don't ever come to me with that hat. I'm going to help. Make sure they never come to you with that. But I think a good leader should still be doing that. I do what you shouldn't believe in. A good leader should do his ball action. A good action is when the referee blows that whistle. I played with other players, by the way, who are good leaders off the pitch, forced to jump out of a tackle. And they're like, let's have a quiz tonight. Let's have a game of bingo. And I go, no, no, no, I don't want to play bingo with you. When you're jumping off the tackle after two minutes of beat, we go, what a great laddy. And he speaks to all the media and he's got his own contacts. No, that's not my type of leadership. My leadership is people under pitch who do the business. Yes, your peers. Yes. We've seen Canton all these lads. Adams makes me miss it. Tony Adams, yes. Raking. This episode of "Stick to Football" is brought to you by Disney+. Two more things. You told us about working harder. You just talked about working harder and your personal pride. I can't still get away. I know that Michael has dismissed the running stats argument. But their total distance covered their 18th out of 20. Their maximum speed in the league, their 20th out of 20. Their high speed running distance, their 18th out of 20. They basically walk more than any other team in the league. Can I ask you something? That is what I'm saying to you. This, my quote's at full of them a few weeks ago. And I saw them walking around. I thought, that's an unusually high sort of what would be a matter of time for a team to walk. What's your biggest worry? They can't run or they don't want to run. Can they run? I don't know if it feels like they're dynamic. Can they get run to pitch? At the moment, the space is every day. There's gaps every day. Or they don't want to run. Which thing is worse? They can't run. They don't want to run. You can always run. Even the players that weren't the fittest could run. If you put your mind to it. But do you think they can run? The managers that they've been linked with run property, is content on Nagel's win or Eddie. Or Eddie. They want their teams half the run. They're running. But I can't see. I can't believe we're sat here. So they're going to need to. Even if one of them came in, they need to be covering a couple of quarts of Michaels. One was that he dismissed the running stats as being. He finds it strange that people looking at running stats. But in response to Bruno's interview last week, his response was, if they're not going to run forward and not going to run back, then we're not going to win football matches. So he's almost in some ways. He's actually out of it himself. Yeah. Eddie, how? Contact, Nagel's win. I played Michael Carrick. Your Michael Carrick, believe it or not, was a positional player. But he wouldn't think that his football team shouldn't run. So those winning stats are an absolute stain on that group. Because the reality of it is, you can. All right, you can be clever and say that we're a positional team and that we're winning football matches and we don't run. But if you lose in every single football match, which they are, and you're not running. And that's on him, right? Surely. That is on him. That is on him. It's on. I thought they switched off on him at full-arm. I thought they switched off and they basically looked disinterested. And for the first time, actually, under probably any manager, because I think. I think I've never accused of not running. And on. But if you're on about Carrick's strengths, you're on about club personality, rock 'n' roll football from Dortmund, brings it to Liverpool, took years, lands getting used to the injury, troubled sessions, pep in the stew. What are we saying about Michael Carrick? What is Michael Carrick? Good at. From his time at Middlesbrough, and obviously he's time at United. What would he say? Listen, whatever, he's quiet, but he's just stewed. Are we going to say that about him? Or is he a big person? He's team are going to be. They're going to be amazed and it's set piece. They're going to be big and strong, no. So, if we're talking about managers, working at the big clubs that are managers I've worked with, what would you say Carrick has if you're saying he's kind of dismissing this running stuff? Don't know how amazing they're looking after a ball. They're certainly one of the worst teams out of possession. So, what are we saying? What's his traits as a man? What does he stand for? You said he's a great lad. He was in England squad. What was his personality like when he was in young groups, where people are going? I tell you what, I listen when he speaks. I tell you what, he doesn't say him much, but I tell you what when he does, yeah. I'm all ears. What does he do besides being a great lad? There won't be sum, what's he doing right now? That goes bad, that's not a criticism. The fact that he's not the level of manager on the lead. A lead manager, that's what we're talking about. What do you mean he's sondo, Jeremy? He has to be sondo. I mean, his middle is over a hundred games. He seems level-headed, doesn't he? He doesn't get to do what we're talking about. He will understand the game. But it's his face when he's level-headed. He never heard it. He's not a good trait. I like a manager who lose the play every now and again. I'm not talking about the running stats. Yeah, sometimes we all know sometimes no matter what training you, you've got so many in your team who's a flying machine or he's a great athlete and somebody who can't run. So basically, if they got plays in the team, you actually, you look at someone like a team. No matter what training they do, he's not going to be an athlete, yeah. Okay, and then you look at the organization of the team. So if the organization of the team is poor, it means the team has got a run more. So basically, he's covered up into cover more space because this team's all over the place. When you see the team, they're asking him, will it? You know, I am these teams like that. So team is doesn't get exposed. So you've got to set up the team by the manager. Then if you've got too many plays in your team who can't run, And then you go back to Priya. Yn yw'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio a'n gweithio'r gwaithio yn gweithio'r gweithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r gwaith Yw'r i'n fawr, yn fawr yn fawr yn fawr yn fawr yn fawr yn fawr yn fawr yn fawr yn fawr yn fawr Mae'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio. Mae'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio. Mae'r gweithio'r gweithio. Mae'r gweithio. Mae'r gweithio. Mae'r gweithio. Mae'n gweith i'n gweithio'r gweithio. Mae'n gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio. Mae'n gweithio'r gweithio. Mae'n gweithio. Mae'n gweithio. 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Mae'n rydw i'n gweithio'r rydw i'n gweithio. Mae'n rydw i'n gweithio. £10% worth of debt in that football club right now. They're ham strong in so much, but they've spent an absolute fortune also on players. They've just spent just on the Manchester City, I think, in the last 15 years. They spent £1.4 billion on players, the second in the spending. But a lot of it's on the never-never. A lot of it's on the. You know, it's a lot of it's debt. A lot of it's. Is it all about £400 or £500 million? I think they've owned hundreds of millions on players. They've owned hundreds of millions on their overdraft and they've got hundreds of millions in debt. That's man's she united. How did the glares involved the first place? We know that, right. Right. 'The Glazers have to sell now. They have to sell. I'm sorry, it's time has come.' 'How do you buy a football club and then you buy a football club and you sell a football part of it?' 'No, but someone else will sell a football.' 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Mae'n gweithio, yn gweithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r Mae'r yw'r ysgwyrdd yn ysgwyrdd yn yr ysgwyrdd yn ysgwyrdd yn ysgwyrdd yn ysgwyrdd yn ysgwyrdd yn ysgwyrdd yn ysgwyrdd yn ysgwyrdd yn y Yn'n gweithio yn yng Nghymru yn yng Nghymru yn yng Nghymru yn yng Nghymru yn Yng Nghymru yn Yng Nghymru yn Yng Nghymru yn Yng Nghymru yn Yng Nghymru yn Yng Nghymru yn Mae'r oes, mae'r oes, mae'r oes, mae'r oes, mae'r oes, mae'r oes, mae'r Mae'n gwi'r gweithioedd yw'r gweithioedd yn yw'r gweithioedd, mae'r gweithioedd yn gweithioedd yn gweithioedd yn gweithioedd yn gweithioedd yn gweithioedd yn gweithio A change of sort of like Jason Wilcox or Omar Burad, that might have an impact. It could improve things, no doubt, and they could be doing a lot better. But this is a systematic failure now for 15, 20 years. Yeah. It's systematic failure. It's really shocking. Surely they should be, you know, because they do diligence with them coming in in the first way, sort of with the Premier League saying, "Yep, you're good enough to be managers here." Surely they should put a kind of time limit and say, "You've done nothing for this football club." You've actually done nothing. Yes, I have spent the money, but they've literally fleeced it. Mae'r fan yn ffordd yn ffordd i ffordd yn ffordd. Mae'r fan yn ffordd yn ffordd yn ffordd yn ffordd yn ffordd yn ffordd yn ffordd yn ffordd o'r fwy, o'r fwy, o'r fwy, o'r fwy, o'r fwy, o'r fwy, o'r Mae'r i'r i'r i'r i'r i'r i'r i'r i'r i'r i'r i'r i'r i'r i'r i'r i'r i'r i'r i'r i'r Can they be forced out now? Because it's theirs, isn't it? The problem is in. You've got a fan base that is loyal beyond ridiculousness because those filler stadiums are 75,000 every single week. I think ultimately, for say, for instance, there was 20,000 in an hour and there was basically an empty stadium. It was losing money, the sponsors walked away. That's when they'd have to sell, they'd have to dump it. But the fact of the matter is, they're still filling the stadium. Fans are still there, they're still thinking they can get. Look. But who would. Who would just. Who would just. Who could buy, man, you know? -One more thing. -Garry. -With need and. -Garry, yeah. There's one more thing right. In America now, sports, clubs, MBA, NFL, I think the last chance actually was at Dallas Cowboys with 12 billion or something like that, 10 billion. They see over in America the Washington Commanders have gone for 6 billion or 7 billion. So they look at Manchinite and think 5 billion, 6 billion, that's. You know, that's more important than Washington Commanders or whoever else. They're thinking they won't probably 9 or 10. But they're thinking that level of money out there. They think it's cheap still. The reason they're not selling and getting that money out is because they don't think they've maximised it yet. That is it. I think they're thinking that sports clubs and investments are going up and that it's worth maybe 7. Liverpool, I think, have just raised money through Jeff Bezos's thinking at 6.57. So if Liverpool are 6.57, they'll be thinking, "We're 7." "We're 8." You know, we're not 5, 6 anymore. Liverpool just done this transaction with Amazon. And they're 7, something like that. Well, 5 is 5. I thought, "Yeah, 5, 6." But they'll be thinking, "Well, we're more. " So why would they sell then? But my point is. Well, why would they sell if they think there's more to come, Garry? You're saying they have to sell. I get it, but surely this comes a point whereby they have to sell now. You just, you know. Well, you think there's something inside their consciousness that we sell now, don't you think? The thing with any hostel is that. Obviously, you saw some of those so contracted. They were on the football club. Yeah. Can the. Can the Glacers get them out? In someone's opinion, they're looking at. They're making really poor decisions, they are the. No, they're not decision, they've got wrong. How did they, in terms of their own should. Could raccliffe sell his. I suspect someone by that. I don't know how it works. Look, when he came in, I think he put in £3,500,400,000,000, Jim Raccliffe. That's four big calls that have gone wrong, badly wrong. The Glacers must be there in Tampa thinking, "Well, I'm going to meet. " What conversation's going on between those two? That was pretty difficult. That's a lot of money as well, because the Glacers got in. I don't know, I don't know. It's been on their managers are getting rid of. No, no, no. And again, is it. It's not. It's about another player. And then they haven't got the players that wanted, like. Yeah. and to Nali, like. Is it because, look, they didn't sign the players in the summer that they wanted because of money, right? If they wanted Anderson, they wanted to Nali. They wanted Fernandez. Well, they didn't have the money. No, no, no. They didn't have the money, even if they couldn't. OK, OK. So no more, they didn't have the money. They didn't buy a defender, they didn't have the money. Is now the decision not to change the manager, because if you bring content, or if you bring Eddie Howe, or if you bring in. Nagel's man. They're going to cost a lot of money. And by the way, you've got to get rid of Michael and pay all his team. So that's another 10 or 15 million. And then you've probably got more expensive managers that are double-trouble the actual cost of Michael. So is that the reason that, basically, the changes. I don't. Can it be that? It could be money that they've not changed the manager. That's why they've not done it, they gave me a better chance. Right, I haven't got the money, saying. It'll cost a mess. It'll cost a lot of money. Right, Ian, if they're getting rid of Michael and his coaching team, let's. Let's that cost 10 million, and I'll make it up. Well, let's say it's seven million, let's say it's seven or eight million. But also, let's say Michael's on X, Eddie Howe, Nagel's man, and content are on triple X. So they're going to. It's going to cost them a lot more money than they thought. And the coaches will be a lot more, as well. So it'll be 10, 15 million, if you had Michael's payment and the coaching staff, and then the uplift on the new coaching staff, you're talking about a massive amount of students. Why does an uplift and results, like Kara got last year and all of a sudden, you get results, people go up, we're going on the Chapman's League, that's bringing extra revenue. But there'll be a benefit of us, somebody coming in and getting better results. Right, I think the league is so poor this season. I think they're thinking, I can give them another three or four weeks and still probably finish with, like, I think we can still probably get to, like, top five. I think. Who can it be? Oh, no. I've been at the finish top five this season. Oh, Gary, no way. You're on the podcast in the last season. I need to get this going. You were sure about a year or two away from the league, I'd never forget that. Oh, okay. You're not. You're not even right now. We've been at the top five this season. Really late. We've been at the top five. That's a point to finish, aren't we? After all that. Yes, it does stay with the manager. The manager's waiting for you. It does stay with the manager, Gary. Oh, there we go. Oh, there we go. Eric and Bruno, and there's a face-to-face to clear the air with both men vowing to focus on turning Manchester United season around. What's all sorted, aren't they? LAUGHTER Wow, great. Hey, you're on top five, Gary. Is that the change in the manager or stick with the manager? Well, if Michael doesn't result, don't pick up the love of us to change, and I still think they'll go on a run and finish top five. Wow, Gary. Where do you think Manchester. All right, okay. Let's finish with this. Oh, all right. Let's go on record. I think Manchester United will finish fifth this season. Right. Where do you think it is? I think Manchester United will finish eighth. Erm, I was going to say tenth. Me too. I'm going to say, I'm going to say 12th-tenth. No chance. No, it happened. I'll donate to charity, or I'll donate to charity over it. How much? I don't know, what we pay. What's the bet? Bag of sand. This is bag of sand. Yeah, give him that. I'm going to say. I'm going to say that. 10th or 12, because. 10th or 12, yeah, innit? What is it, though? LAUGHTER LAUGHTER I'm giving it to you. 11th? No, no, I'm going to go 10th. Oh, you. 10th. I'm still sitting right in there. No, it's not my old 12th. 10th shop half. 10th. Roy, he's with me, with me at it. No, no. There's no way. If he says to change the manager, yeah, to be. Where will this season be? You're going to be in the bottom three, going into the international break. Yeah. Well. You think they'll lose the extra couple of games? I think so, though. You think that's why they'll have a broken manager, right? The thing about the next. Yeah, the thing about your knife is how bad they are now. They're left. They've had the easiest run at the start of the season. They've played two promoted teams. They've played full removal bottom to the league. Spares with bottom to the league when they played them. They've only played one of, like, the big boys. And that was at home against 10 men. Yeah, but the next three, a Chelsea away will at home. I'm Liverpool away. I reckon I heard the way they've done their pre-season is they get stronger in the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you think they're going to get another manager? Can't wait. They get better again. Hey, you've got to give us a position yet. If they change their manner, I'd still think they could get, like, seven degrees. Okay. Seven-throw-eighth. Yeah. Which one? Seven now. Do you have to go with one? You have to pick one. I want to add some more into mine. So, anything preferring 10, you have to put extra grounds, like. Yeah. So, if they finish 11-12-13 for 40, you have to put more. You have to put an extra ground on. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney Plus. The Super Six £1 million jackpot is still waiting to be won and will stay at £1 million until someone predicts all the correct scores. All you need to do is predict the correct scores of six football matches this weekend. Get all six correct and you could be walking away with a live-changing £1 million. And it's completely free to play. 18+ terms and conditions apply. Last week, Gary and Stevie got nine points. That's good. That's good. That's good. That's not bad. I'll take good four. We've got eight or nine. I'll take eight. We're 10 or 16. We've got one of the highest scores ever. Top 52% of players, you beat 400,000 players. Wow. That's brilliant. So, Roy and I do. Yeah, that's a small level. I got 16 points. Wow. How many people did we beat? They got two correct scores. Top 3% of players, you beat 810,000 players. Wow. We are. Wow. You've caught back stronger this season. Top 3%. That's good, I got one. We should have had Newcastle Villa, Mr. Chancel. Right at the end as well. Will anyone take home the million pounds this weekend? Why do we look so well? Right. City Brighton. Wills are gone. Wills are falling off. Wills are falling off the guide-off. If you want. Yeah, if you want. Not without Goldcube, bro. He's torn him in the end, isn't he? At the moment. They need to keep a city. Wow. He's not as good as whatever. Yeah. Should have stayed with the young lad. You were said here. That's a bad point. He was a filler. He'd make a few mistakes. Good. Good for him, man. Good for him. Everyone's an hourly pal. Um. Liverpool, I think. Liverpool is holding against Brighton. I think Ireland might get a few here. I think you'll get at least two hours. It's at eight o'clock, Sarah. We should have scored a couple against Liverpool Brighton. It plays really well. It was a good result for Liverpool. Oh, no. Was that Liverpool that picked? I know. No, I know. He texted me a wrist on the ball. It's just, it's just, yeah, but all of a sudden. It's just like. It's got to be a city win. You've brought that in now. We've got three, one. Yep. I always think we're going to finish him. No, no, no, we've got to give him a goal. Yeah, we've won three, we've won three, we've won three, we've not won three. Yeah. Can I say something about your team, boy? You know what? You're a team. It's very hard. Leisure decent. James, James Hill, Bournemouth, centre-off. Yeah, good isn't it? Yeah, yeah. I see them. You do not celebrate them one more time. Yeah, do you? You must have some Fleetwood. Yeah. You must have some Fleetwood as well. The band. The Fleetwood. Honestly, have a look at him, though. James Hill, Bournemouth, centre-off. He won't be there. Well, you don't want to play as a couple of good games. You do go overboard, don't you? No, you always stop celebrating. You know what it is. I tell you why. I mean, I go over the top. It's just that I wouldn't want to play against him. I always look at it like that. He was so good. Ryan. Who? I like that Ryan, me. Yeah, he's-- What does he 19, Johnny? Yeah, he's a good player. Dominic, you can't learn next goal in this area. Leach, Fondle and Nell, Nell, the other day of Ireland. Dominic, Dominic, you can't learn next goal in this area. I think Bournemouth might win with them being at home. Two-one, do I want to go on Bournemouth? Yeah, Bournemouth, two-one. Bournemouth, two-one. Bournemouth, two-one, right? Why didn't you say something then? One-one. Love that. Right. Brentford Forest, 3PM. Wow. That's you guys. I think Brentford is better than the. Yeah, it could be. Two-two. Brentford, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Two-one, Brentford. I can never call them teams. I don't know what's two-two. Two-two. One-one? Yes, one-one. Yeah, let's remember what I'm not. Farrah's got a resolve there last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, it's Bournemouth, Saturday 5-30. This is a big one. I'm supposed to beat them. the league spurs are playing well you know the Rittorne Tottenhamer I think this could be a big win this this one spurs like you don't when you go hey it's the right you're on the right playing good enough this this one is you hopefully it is spurs you for passing I think this could be like a three nil I think I think spurs might beat them I think spurs win two No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no - Why would you turn that down? - No, because he likes his people around him. - And he needs time. - He has a say, doesn't he? - Like, if you get an arsenal, he needs time. - United wouldn't give him that. - No. - What's the score? - I see a score. - I see a score, I think. - Do you know, do you? - We finished on Tarnal's Thursday. - Do you know? - Oh, no, we finished. - A, a villa there. - Two of them. - Mattie Cash, two of them. - Two of them. - Against Dockers, he has a diff. - And I was going to follow my goal. - That was a bad one. - Two of them. - That was two of them. - We give them a bad one. - I can't call this, right? - Liverpool Arsenal Sunday. - Here we go. I can't. - You know, I think we beat it. - Right, I'm really sorry, but I would have gone Liverpool. - I don't know. I can feel it. - You know, the thing is, obviously, this is the one that kind of defines Liverpool if they're coming. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You're looking at McAllister. - I don't have to be a winner. - But I think Liverpool don't want to get in city up to obviously. - I think we're sending off. - I'm going to go draw. I think we'll get a draw at this thing. - On one. Yeah, yeah, but I would have deep down I would have went to one for myself, but like gone one more. I would have gone I really think we've been what's your good feeling? I don't have to be too little of a pull. Go on They'll go to one then I'll say yeah. Yeah, go on And you're up there on the studio so you'll feel it. Yeah, and if they're not good If this is one one, you know, it's gonna be messaging in the group That's a one I actually think one won, but let's just go for what you didn't get it. It's a good one, never too bad. Come on, two, I'll never pull a bang or a jay. I don't think you won, Liverpool. Oh, that's good. If this is one one, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. Thank you. If it's one one, we've rubbed it off. Right. Right. It's Nicholas Jackson, the most improved player in the Premier League this season. - He's doing well, listen, he's doing well. - I almost thought he'd be good-sides, because he's having fun. I'd hate to play against Nicholas Jackson. - So I'm saying I'm sure you'd have been sure to roll that back. I'm sure I mentioned Nicholas Jackson at the start of this. - I think I said I'd hate to play against him. I like it. - You know something, when you watch him at Chelsea, right? Yes, he missed chances, but everything else about his game, the way he'd run, on the shoulder, he's touching everything. If he could just start nicking, he'll be fine. And like, you're looking at him now, he started to score the goal. You could actually see the confidence in him now. and you think he could go or not, he could go on a run, it's up to him now where he goes. Does a striker need us, like all of us, you need a certain club, without a time in the manager of the village? Honestly, I'm not even thinking of it. I know what, I go, the reason I'm moving this to sort of the manager, because on Sunday I said, you get thrones on, yeah, if Michael Carrot goes, and I meant to do an amary, so I've had loads of villa fans on my case on social media, which is absolutely fine. I think who and I am, it's just unbelievable, everybody does year after year, and that I'm all to change, me say it takes time for players to sit on the manager's team and he just does it year after year. But my thing about it wasn't the reason I'm probably going to have a little go back here, Rastingville, there is, I can't believe that a manager who's so successful at the Europa League, let's say you were a player and you won the Europa League three or four times, surely you'd want to win the Champions League, that's what I get in my head now, and all Villavans are coming back saying, well we could win it, we're in the Champions League, I get that, but Rastingville will never be Manchester United and I just think he didn't do well at PSG or Arsenal and maybe that's because of the Eagles of the players, maybe lots of different things. It was like younger at Arsenal. Yeah and I just think surely he was one of the opportunities to manage a giant again. I'm not trying to annoy Villafant, but the reason I'm saying it is, there is a chain in football where they like it or not. So Real Madrid will take Man U's best player, they'll take Ronaldo, You know, there's very few above United, same Liverpool, but do we seem to be a lost in Villa? You'll take their manager, or they'll take their players, so should the fuck up Villa fans? You know what I'm saying, you know what I mean? Honesty, God. Man, you know what I mean? Actually, Villa will never be a man, you know what I mean? Do you know what, Jeremy? Something's going on about United Gone for certain managers. Managers that these soak a villa, maybe. They're on Mega Deals. Yeah, yeah. And he's got the control there. He's got all that stuff for that. Somebody's manager got it, I've tried it all a bit. I've done the PS2, I've done it. I've done all that, I'm calling the shots. There were slaughter blocks last year, there were slaughter blocks this year. There's no panic with all of them, 'cause you've got, I'm running this, I'm a charge of all this. - Yeah, he's in control. - And again, I'm making it, Dippy, and I make it deal. - No, we can't even match. - I get it, and I might be totally wrong. And he might go, oh no, I'm running the show. I get that, but I just think from my United's point of view, surely when you read these names that you get mentioned, you think, okay, he's in the Premier League. He's obviously, I mean, for me, the job he's done, I don't think anybody else could do In the Premier League, I know we talk about that. I test as one of the league, now people might say, he's the best manager. But when I look at a body of work, you're like, "How many for me? What do you do?" Yeah, but again, you're not. He never seemed a panic, did he? When he lost the players in like the. No, he's only a manager, he's one of those best players. You know, he makes the best of it. But surely a manager, you want to keep your best players, but you're unfortunate, Villa, with the rules. I think Pat or his brilliant coaches are. He probably classes a quarter of them. He's walked his way up to where he's got totally caught and controlled. I guarantee, if you need to come in from. Bring that, bring for villa, what you've got and come to you, they got. You know what we're talking about, that happens, you think of why? You know what I'm talking about, right? Why would. Villifan's will get pissed off with it, but why would United not say bring you five, six, seven people with you? No, I think it'd be a lot more than that. - Oh, eight, nine people. - Eight, nine. Yeah, people above them. - Yeah, yeah. - As he manages our words. 'Cause we're told that you're not going to be changing the structure, are we now? - Mm-hmm. - But that's what we're talking about. I've got some of these clubs, and I'm with you and most clubs now, this director of football, I get it. But when it's that bad, so you're talking about a Manchester United sort of higher eye. You mean, they've made three bad decisions in managerial minds, recruitments in and out. Why wouldn't you give a guy like that and not put everything in? - Bring everything. - Yeah. Right. I apologize for the fans being told to hit the fuck up. They're going to come up. I'm sure that's the worst. I'm sure that'll be saying, well, I'm so, I'm so, well, so come back. This has been a global and the overlap production. Thanks to our title sponsors, Disney Plus. We'll see you next time.