414: Carnie Calls Decoded: Mean Girl Mackenzie Shirilla Is at It Again | What She Doesn't Want Heard

There are some scenes in this documentary where she is speaking a gibberish language. And the language that she's speaking is carny. Hey, true crime besties. Welcome back to an all new episode of Serialist's Leave. Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to an all new episode of Serialist's Leave with me, your host Annie Elise. And today's Thursday, which usually would mean headline highlights, where I walk you through everything happening this week in true crime. However, I have a very special episode for you today. It's going to be a focus on one particular case/situation rather than going into all of the different cases that we normally talk about. I also do not have Amy O'Brien with me today. So I apologize for all of you who are waiting for me to say hello to her. But here, let me break down what we're going to be talking about together today because it's something that has been, I don't know, we're, I've been working on this behind the scenes for quite a few weeks now. It's been very difficult to find someone who speaks this language. And maybe you already know where I'm going with this based on past cases that we've covered, but let me break it down. When I released my last Mackenzie Cherilla episode, I truly believed that we were going to be done with that girl that we would never talk about her again. We could leave her behind in the dust and never revisit it. However, there was this like nagging feeling that I just could not shake. And I know a lot of you were wondering too, why do her and her mom speak in this secret language? Not only in some of the body cam footage that we saw, but in the jail calls, and it's, you know, a sect off of Pig Latin. It's carny language because her mom grew up in the carnival circuit and taught Mackenzie the language. But like, why are they speaking to each other this way? And more importantly, what the hell are they even saying? So while I thought that we were leaving the Cherilla of it all behind, today we are going to revisit it very briefly. And I think that this will be the last time. And the reason why is because I was able to track down someone who speaks that language fluently. So you know, my nosy ass had to get in there to code these calls, translate these calls and figure out just what the hell they were saying. So what I'm going to do is actually go through all of those old prison calls, clip out the part where they are speaking in this language, and then be joined by someone who speaks the language fluently themselves and translate everything for you. Now, before we jump in, I did want to share some exciting news with you guys because it's that time of year. I've already seen the messages start trickling in, but our annual subscription sale is officially here. 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Now after listening to over 100 jail calls between McKenzie and her friends and her mom and, you know, all of the people, two things really stuck out to me. One, McKenzie is always irritated, just always on 99 level of like spoiled brat mode, and two, when McKenzie talks with her mom, she does almost every single time start talking in code. Right, another girl just got moved on our pod, and she looks slow as fuck. Well, she may be distraught. No, she look retarded. So please call the invitation, see if you can get our video calls, move it to the other terminal. Yeah, video call and kind of say, all right. So I'm not she's banging on the door like, girl, you just got here. You just got here. Shut the fuck up. How old is she? I don't know, probably oldest, fuck, like everyone else in here. Oh my god, see you though. We didn't need to be together. I was like asking her, like, I was like, why are you in here? She's like, oh, I do crack. I'm like, what? She's like, yeah, she don't look like it at all. Oh my god, she says the effort court, when we were sitting there waiting, a guy came out with his client. Right, the lawyer came out with his client and he goes, man, you just did me 30. You know what you were doing. You just did me 30. And he goes, I just saved your life. Like, I literally just saved your life. Right. And he goes, you know what you did? I don't even want to get into it. And his lawyer was like, well, you can't, you can't smoke crack. You can't sell crack. And he's like, you don't care. You don't know me. And you was like, you don't look like you do that at all. Like, you, she's pretty as fuck. Like, she does it look like it. Maybe they don't really. And you know, I found out. I'm about to sit. Do you know, like, cocaine is crack. I didn't know that crack cocaine. I didn't know that though. I thought it was. So people are snorting crack? Yes. So what? That means, don't do crack before. I don't like that. I always was like, I would never do crack. I never do crack. No. That's crazy. I don't like that. There is crazy. But like, it's like, you have to smoke it like in a pipe for it to crack. I know. But like, why? What's the difference? Why is it a different name if it is what it is? Because it's like hard and soft. I was asking her about it. And then she told me like, because like, she like burns, like, she had a hole in her nose because of it. Nourting too much. Oh my god. Here. She's pretty as fuck though. She's like, 43 or something like that. She's so pretty. Like, I like her. Oh, I hope she gets paid. So like I said, the language that they're speaking is called carney. And I'm not saying that to be disrespectful or anything like that. Cause I have seen a lot of people say that it's pig Latin. It's this and that. It's a version of that. But technically it is called the carney language, which is short for carnival. So first, what I did is I checked the case files to see if any of the investigators had any of these calls translated. But all I could find was a single photo. So then I scoured the internet, started making some calls, talking to, you know, carnival workers, Irish travelers. I don't want to say the G word, but maybe, you know, what I'm talking about. And when I started looking into it further, I did come across a couple of social media posts that suggested that McKenzie and her family were a part of the gypsy culture. Now is that total, totally politically correct. Maybe not. I've had mixed things slide in my DM, but I'm just relaying to you what it is being called out there. So if there's a better term I can use. Absolutely. Feel free to educate me on that. But I went back into the files. And I want you to listen to this clip that I found. Irritated that my messages aren't working. So what was she saying about a gypsy? Oh, she was saying on a show on TLC where like they wear the big ass dresses and like you have to get married by like 15 and shit like she thought was that. Oh, my goodness. Like, no, we're like, we're like dancing. Right. Yes, we're like that. Like like TV next just on like TV. I don't know what that is. And I don't think they know what that is either. Everybody knows TV next is like a really famous singer who addresses like a gypsy. We're just a theatrical musical type. Yeah, we're not like this. Yeah, because she's like, I can tell I was like, you know what I'm saying? Oh, like, oh, no. She's like, no, I just could tell you fucking shit. And I was like, I'm dead as well. Like just these musicians and actors. I mean, I'm sorry, actors. I feel like all tips you are just like creative too right now. I don't know anybody on the planet who personally doesn't know who Stevie nix is, but that's okay. So anyway, now that we've connected the dots between the churillas and the carny talk. It's time to translate the calls. So like I said, in my quest to find the most accurate carny translator, I found somebody even better and her name is Kate Lincoln Goldfinch. Now Kate is not only fluent in carny, but she is also an attorney who can help answer some questions that I personally have had about these phone calls. So with that, we are going to get into this interview with Kate. My name is Kate Lincoln Goldfinch and I'm actually an immigration lawyer and based in Texas and for the last 20 years, I have been working with immigrant families in Texas, so I bring families together, keep them together, work on helping people get these those green card citizenship and then of course recently have done a lot of detained work and a ton of clients who are in detention and I file federal lawsuits to get them out. So now that you've met Kate, if you're anything like me, you probably need the answer to one of the hard-hitting questions, which is how the heck did she even learn to speak carny? I recently learned that I spoke an actual language called carny. All I knew for 20 years is that my best friend taught me a language that her mom and her aunt used to speak. And when I was in my early 20s, she taught me this language and we used it to talk about things that were provided in public. And over the years, we've just always will revert to this language when we're on the phone and like our husbands are around there and we just have this secret language. And then it came to my attention about a year ago that there's this actually a carny language that the people who work in carnivals, I guess this is how it began, developed this language and it's like a it's like a type of pig Latin, you know, which is just add the sound before a vowel. And so I learned that I did carny and I did a little video on finding out that I spoke carny and really didn't think anything of it. And that video started picking that steam when this documentary came out about McKenzie Sherila. And so people are all of a sudden talking about carny again, because it's what she speaks with her mom in some of her jailhouse calls. So I wanted to pick Kate's brain a little bit about McKenzie's call and figure out why she's choosing to use this secret language with her mom in so many of these jail calls. And here's what she had to say. McKenzie uses the language in her jailhouse calls is really kind of silly because the way that she uses it is to talk about people who are annoying her. She's talking about people who are, you know, in her like cell block area or she's talking when she talks about a certain guard who really annoys her. And so she's basically gossiping about people and just switching to the language is clear that like probably she's just in the habit of switching to the language when she's gossiping about people. She's not discussing anything about her case. She's not revealing any details. I think that would also be rather foolish because it's so easy to define for this particular language. But I don't know. I mean, I don't know if she had the expectation that people that the guards would be listening to these calls, which very much may be the case. I mean, generally every jailhouse phone call is recorded and who has access to the recordings can really differ whether it's going to be the investigators or the prosecutors or the guards, you know, that's going to be different at every facility. And so people who are detained unless they are on a privileged confidential call with a lawyer, which you have to schedule differently should be under notice that their calls are being recorded and could be listened to by anyone, including the people who are trying to go after them. So if we have a little bit of background information, let's jump right into the calls. And I think the easiest way to do this and to follow along is for me to play the clip and then as soon as that clip finishes, we're going to cut back to Kate translating. Hey, hold on, your eyes are so pretty. Yes, pretty. Hey, so, you have faith in the car? Uh-huh. Hey, face. I love you so much. I tried to draw you a little harder so you all can see that I love you, but I couldn't like. Don't worry. Okay, good. I love you guys so much. Like tell everyone I said, I love them and thank you for coming to court. I need to tell you something though. Okay, she's a usually to keep the key to this. Please a reason you say, please, I need to keep the key that means that she's like we don't please or. Is that where you spend? Jesus. Okay, that's what I thought and I was talking to my buddy. And she said that's probably the best possible place you can be. Hold on. She said, I only get one call and I got to go on my room or I would do. I will. Let me finish this call and if you give me another one, I got you. Jesus, give me the key to the key to the key to me. Wait, in the cypher? Jesus, is that with the key to me? Jesus, please. Honey, I can't make it. You're an adult. Jesus, you do. He's in. He's a piece of. He's always a piece of. He's up. I'll try. I did. I did. Jesus, he's up. Jesus, he's up. Jesus, he's up. Jesus, he's up. All right. Okay. But they say that's okay because that's where you'll have access to mental health. There's on that floor. I mean, I would not have there. I would have been doing all the ability. I'm Quincy. Yeah, I just came here the other day. I just called me. What? What did you say, mom? I'm going to call me for you. Who called C.C.? No way. She did. Oh, hell. What did you say? Everybody's thinking about you, and stay strong. Yeah. What did you say? I'm cell phone number. I just said, oh, my God, you're so sweet. I love you so much. So that's so nice. She goes, yeah, I got to go. You just tell her that everybody's. Everybody's thinking about her and it's a strong and we love her. She said, so you need to call this place right now because they put me on the psych ward floor. Not the most damning translation. Obviously, but still is it just that they spoke in this language so regularly that it just comes out that way. Sometimes when people even speak foreign languages, sometimes, you know, what's that term like spanglish when it goes from English to Spanish and it's just easy possibly. Here's the next clip. conversation now. Hello. Okay. Okay. Then just let it go. What's this? Okay. No, my gid number. You're what? Gid number. Because I'm writing a agreement. Well, you can't if she why? Don't. Okay. I'm not going to, but I'm your two. I know. Don't do it. Let me let me talk to them again, because or talk to somebody else, not her, but you're not going. She's, she's our staff all fucking day. Okay. Then just wait until tomorrow. Okay. Well, you're going to call again. And how? And you really need to stop a videotation, like right now. I mean, it's pending. I can't. I can't even get in there yet. What's pending? My, my login and stuff. You don't have any video call yet, right? No, but just one other girl has two and I'm looking at them. I want. I know. I know you do. We have to wait. It's, it's pending. Okay. Which, I think it's a little time to set stuff up. Okay. Please, please, please, the whole, I think alone. All right. I'm really annoying. So please call again. I will. But you got it. Just, just chill. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. But like, oh, and I found a cotton swab. I made a little order for myself, like cotton swabs. I did, um, underwear. I did, I did like the salt and peanuts and the two pickles. Some more shabangs, because I like them. Good. And I just let you do everything. Okay. But I, I already, I got rid of my pen. I got all the stuff that we kind of both added. All right. Okay. I'm on a phone call right now. So let's call me again, you know, in a little bit. I don't want to build my whole hour first. I know I'm saying she is all these are we are using. Please eat. I'll follow up like right after I get off the house. Yes. I will follow up. I have daddy will do it in person. Okay. Please don't want to have an hour to talk to you. I love you so much. I love you too. I love you. Bye. I love you. Love you. Love you. Love you. The caller has hung up. I'm so mad right now. This bit. She. He pisses me the fuck off. I asked her for the form and she was like you are not getting one. You are not you're not getting a form. I don't give a fuck. I don't care if your mom talked to the sheriff or what. You are not getting one. I'm not giving you the form. Here she obviously sounded a little more aggressive. Maybe she's trying to mask that she feels entitled bratty angry. I don't know all of the above. But definitely seems more irritated. Let's roll into the next one. You're weirded out by all your messages. Yeah. Well, so weird but then. Yeah. That's weird. Cynthia and Miss Kent are going to come and visit you as soon as they as soon as they can't really don't want to me to tell you. Yep. And she said you told my little shirt. I know she did not do what everybody is saying. She said I got to meet the real I got to meet her. I know who she is. Oh my god. You hear her like fucking gagging and throwing up until some of you guys are love her. Why is she doing that? She just been fucking gagging all day. Stop. This bitch is not. Is that you saying that? I heard you. Did you hear me? She's blowing me like imagine being in the room next to that. Like you're like. Like, shut up. Huh? You're begging on the wall? You're like, my show. You're knowing this book. You're annoying this one. She's like, we don't freeze you. She's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, oh, good. Oh my god. Damn, they sent me. I love you. I don't want to talk. I know I'm here for you to do whatever I will always be there for you. If we didn't know each other long time, but I'm glad we did. I got the chance to know you. I know you're going to a lot. So I'll give you my number when you're ready to call me. Hold on. I got to write this. Yeah. Why are you not messaging me? Come on. I go in order. I've had this shit in my bra. We never get searched here too, which kind of weirds me to fuck up because I'm used to getting searched. Yeah. I just want Monday to come and go so we can move on. Like, let's go. Yes, me too. Right. She said, do you want me to send you the old letters or wait? Either way, I'll hold on to them if you want to wait. I'm very sorry for going through what you're going through. I know you're probably scared and that is normal. I was too not knowing what was ahead for me going to do. I promise I'll be here for you. I'm glad I got to meet your family. They need me so comfortable around them more than my family does the two times I've been around them since my son passed. I'm going to take your mom later and ask her to ask your lawyer if I can write you a character letter. I love it. Make you grow. Keep your head up and stay strong. She's such an American horror story. So once again, not the kindest remarks, but not necessarily like she's trying to speak in code to cover something up or to quiet some of the information about the case or possibly even lie about something. It's more almost as though she's trying to mask what I believe to be her true personality, which is like entitled bitch through and through. Let me play the next one. Diamond gave me like all her shit, like when I left and her deodorant shit. Oh good. You're eating. But what else did you get in? Oh, how I noodles juice. What what? Yeah, I have noodles juice. I have like helicopter now. How I noodle juice, how I noodles hell a lot of noodles and juice. That sounds like the name of the juice. Oh good. Good. What do you mean? Like mental. Like mental. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, She's a she's a she's a she's a she's a she's a she's a she's a she's a she's a This is my phone call, I'm not doing that. >> Yeah, I know, I'm just, is it really easy to keep them doing that? Is it easy to keep them doing that? - Thank you, thank you. - Thank you, thank you, thank you. - We'll be right back to you. It's like, these are these are these are these. Okay. This is about a girl who's walking over to her. Sleevely, I think she says she says she's off. Something she's off or something. She's like 50 or 40. She wears me to fuck out. She's all. But is out and everything. Yeah, I know, just. Every time she comes over here, she's like, and I think that's not. She's like, these are these are these. She's something about something important. You know, we're talking about I've got you and I'm like, no. So there you heard another clip. Now again, these aren't like damning things where they were speaking in code and trying to talk about the case or dropping a bomb shell relating to the case. But still, I was curious enough about this language. I know many of you have been as well. You've been damning me. I've seen it on social media. So because I love you guys and I'm your true crime bestie, I had to go the extra mile, get these calls translated and let you know what the heck she was saying. And if there's anything else you want me to have translated by Kate, just feel free to let me know. I thought that the jail calls were, you know, that was a good place to start. So let me know what you think. Let me know what you think it means. If it means anything, if she was trying to mask her true personality, and that's why she was speaking in code language or what. But curious to know your thoughts. All right, guys. Thank you so much for tuning into another episode with me today until the next one. You know the drill. Thanks for watching this video. And don't forget to like and subscribe to the channel. Thanks for watching. Be nice, don't kill people, and let's be done with McKenzie Sharilla once and for all. All right, thanks.