414: Carnie Calls Decoded: Mean Girl Mackenzie Shirilla Is at It Again | What She Doesn't Want Heard

There are some scenes in this documentary where she is speaking a gibberish language. And the language that she's speaking is carny. Hey true friend besties. Welcome back to an all-new episode of SerialistSleep. Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to an all-new episode of SerialistSleep with me your host, Annie Elise. And today's Thursday, which usually would mean headline highlights where I walk you through everything happening this week in true crime. However, I have a very special episode for you today. It's going to be a focus on one particular case/situation rather than going into all of the different cases that we normally talk about. I also do not have Amy O'Brien with me today, so I apologize for all of you who are waiting for me to say hello to her. But here let me break down what we're going to be talking about together today because it's something that has been, I don't know, we're, I've been working on this behind the scenes for quite a few weeks now. It's been very difficult to find someone who speaks this language. And maybe already no more I'm going with this based on past cases that we've covered, but let me break it down. When I released my last Mackenzie Sherilla episode, I truly believed that we were going to be done with that girl that we would never talk about her again. We could leave her behind in the dust and never revisit it. However, there was this like nagging feeling that I just could not shake. And I know a lot of you were wondering too, why do her and her mom have speak in this secret language? Not only in some of the body can footage that we saw, but in the jail calls and it's you know a sect off of Pig Latin, it's carny language because her mom grew up in the carnival circuit and taught Mackenzie the language, but like, why are they speaking to each other this way? And more importantly, what the hell are they even saying? So while I thought that we were leaving the Sherilla of it all behind, today we are going to revisit it very briefly. And I think that this will be the last time. And the reason why is because I was able to track down someone who speaks that language fluently. So you know, my nosy ass had to get in there to code these calls, translate these calls and figure out just what the hell they were saying. So what I'm going to do is actually go through all of those old prison calls, clip out the part where they are speaking in this language, and then be joined by someone who speaks the language fluently themselves and translate everything for you. Now before we jump in, I did want to share some exciting news with you guys because it's that time of year. I've already seen the messages start trickling in, but our annual subscription sale is officially here. 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Now, after listening to over 100 jail calls between McKenzie and her friends and her mom and, you know, all the people, two things really stuck out to me. One, McKenzie is always irritated, just always on 99 level of like spoiled brat mode. And two, when McKenzie talks with her mom, she does almost every single time start talking in code. Another girl just got moved on our pod and she looks slow as fuck. Well, she may be distraught. No, she look retarded. So please call the invitation and see if you can get our video calls moved to the other terminal. We have video call and kind of series. So I'm not she's banging on the door like girl, you just got here. You just got here, shut the fuck up. How old is she? I don't know, probably oldest book, like everyone else in here. Oh, my God. See, though, we don't need to be the users. I was like asking her like, I was like, "Why are you in here?" She's like, "Oh, I do crack." I'm like, "What?" She's like, "Yeah, yeah, she don't look like it at all." Oh my gosh. Kenzie, after court, when we were sitting there waiting, a guy came out with his client. Right, the lawyer came out with his client and he goes, "Man, you just did me 30. You know what you were doing. You just did me 30." And he goes, "I just saved your life." Like, I literally just saved your life, right? And he goes, "You know what you did. I don't even want to get into it." And his lawyer was like, "Well, you can't, you can't smoke crack. You can't sell crack." And he's like, "You don't care. You don't know me." And you don't consider that so weird. Yes, I was like, "You don't look like you do that at all." Like, she's pretty as fuck, like she doesn't look like it. Maybe they got it early. And you know, I found out. You know, like, cocaine is crack. I didn't know that. Crack cocaine. I didn't know that though. I thought it was. So people are snorting crack? Yes, so I'm. What? That means dumb to crack before. I don't like that. I always look like I would never do crack. I never did crack. No. That's crazy. I don't like that. There is crazy. But like, it's like, you have to smoke it, like in a pipe for it to crack. I know. Right. But like, why? What's the difference? Why does it have a different name if it is what it is? Because it's like hard and soft. Apparently, I was asking her about it. And she told me like, she like birthed. She had a hole in her nose because of it. She's so pretty as fuck though. She's like 43 or something like that. She's so pretty. Like, I like her. Oh, I hope she gets saved. So like I said, the language that they're speaking is called "carnie." And I'm not saying that to be disrespectful or anything like that because I have seen a lot of people say that it's piglet and it's this and that. It's a version of that, but technically it is called the "carnie" language, which is short for carnival. So first, what I did is I checked the case files to see if any of the investigators had any of these calls translated. But all I could find was a single photo. So then I scoured the internet, started making some calls, talking to carnival workers, Irish travelers. I don't want to say the G word, but maybe you know what I'm talking about. And when I started looking into it further, I did come across a couple of social media posts that suggested that Mackenzie and her family were a part of the gypsy culture. Now, is that totally politically correct? Maybe not. I've had mixed things slide in my DM, but I'm just relaying to you what it is being called out there. So if there's a better term I can use, absolutely, feel free to educate me on that. But I went back into the files and I want you to listen to this clip that I found. I'm irritated that my messages aren't working. So what was she saying about a gypsy? Oh, so you know that show on TLC where like they wear the big ass dresses and like you have to get married by like 15 and shit like she thought was that. Oh my goodness. And I was like no, we're like the dancing world though. Right. Yes, we're like that like like Stevie Nick, just all like Stevie Nick. I don't know what that is and I don't think they know what that is either. Everybody knows Stevie Nick is like a really famous singer who dresses like a gypsy. We're just a theatrical musical type. Yeah, we're not like that. Yeah, because she was like, I can tell I was like, you know what I'm saying? I was like, oh no. And when she was like, oh, she was like, no, I just could tell you, talking shit. And I was like, I'm done as well. Like like 50s musicians and actors. I mean, I'm sorry actors. I feel like all tipsy that are just like creative too. Right. Now I don't know anybody on the planet who personally doesn't know who Stevie Nix is, but that's okay. So anyway, now that we've connected the dots between the Sharillas and the Karnytalk, it's time to translate the calls. So like I said, in my quest to find the most accurate Karnytranslator, I found somebody even better. And her name is Kate Lincoln Goldfinch. Now Kate is not only fluent in Karnytalk, but she is also an attorney who can help answer some questions that I personally have had about these phone calls. So with that, we are going to get into this interview with Kate. My name is Kate Lincoln Goldfinch, and I'm actually an immigration lawyer. And based in Texas, and for the last 20 years, I have been working with immigrant families in Texas. I bring families together, keep them together, work on helping people get these those green card citizenship, and then of course, recently have done a lot of detained work and a ton of clients who are in detention, and I file federal lawsuits to get them out. So now that you've met Kate, if you're anything like me, you probably need the answer to one of the hard-hitting questions, which is how the heck did she even learn to speak Karnytalk? I recently learned that I spoke an actual language called Karnytalk. And all I knew for 20 years is that my best friend taught me a language that her mom and her aunt used to speak, and when I was in my early 20s, she taught me this language, and we used it to talk about things that were provided in public. And over the years, we've just always, we'll revert to this language when we're on the phone, and our husbands are around there and we just have this secret language. And then it came to my attention about a year ago that there's actually a Karnyt language that the people who work in Karnables, I guess this is how it began, developed this language, and it's like a type of pig Latin, you know, which just adds a sound before a vowel. And so I learned that I did Karnytalk, and I did a little video on finding out that I spoke Karnyt, and really didn't think anything of it, and not video started picking up steam when this documentary came out about Mackenzie Shrella, and so people are all of a sudden talking about Karnyt again, because it's what she speaks with her mom in some of her jail house calls. So I wanted to pick Kate's brain a little bit about Mackenzie's call and figure out why she's choosing to use this secret language with her mom in so many of these jail calls. And here's what she had to say. Mackenzie uses the language in her jail house calls is really kind of silly, because the way that she uses it is to talk about people who are annoying her. She's talking about people who are, you know, in her like cell block area, or she's talking when she talks about a certain guard who really annoys her, and so she's basically gossiping about people and just switching to the language, which is clear that like probably she's just in the habit of switching to the language when she's gossiping about people. She's not discussing anything about her case. She's not revealing any details. I think that would also be rather foolish because it's so easy to decipher this particular language, but I don't know, I mean, I don't know if she had the expectation that people that the guards would be listening to these calls, which very much may be the case. I mean, generally every jail house phone call is recorded. And who has access to the recordings can really differ whether it's going to be the investigators or the prosecutors or the guards, you know, that's going to be different at every facility. And so people who are detained, unless they are on a privileged confidential call with a lawyer, which you have to schedule differently, should be under notice that their calls are being recorded and could be listened to by anyone, including the people who are trying to go after them. So now that we have a little bit of background information, let's jump right into the calls. I think the easiest way to do this and to follow along is for me to play the clip. And then as soon as that clip finishes, we're going to cut back to Kate translating. Hey, hold on. Your eyes are so pretty. Yes, pretty as well. So I need to call him here. Hey mom, hey, so I'm going to be in the car. Do you have a face in the car? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Hey, face. Hold on a second. Go ahead. Think again. Can you say it again? Hey, face. Hi, baby girl. I love you so much. I tried to draw you a little hard so you all can see that I love you all, but I could it like. We're seeing it. Don't worry. Okay. Good. You all are seeing it. I'll be there tomorrow too. All right. I love you guys so much. So I tell everyone I said I love them and thank them for coming to court. Thank you for coming to the home. I need it. I know. I need to tell you something, though. Well, okay. She's so easy to tease. She's so easy to tease me. But they say that's okay because that's where you'll have access to mental health. That's where you'll have access to mental health. Yeah, I just came here the other day. I just called me. I just said, oh my God, you're so sweet. I love you so much. That's so nice. I got to go. You just tell her that everybody is thinking about her. And it stays strong and we love her. I just said, so you need to call this place right now because they've put me on the psych ward floor. Not the most damning translation, obviously, but still. Is it just that they spoke in this language so regularly that it just comes out that way? Sometimes when people even speak foreign languages, sometimes, you know, what's that term like spanglish when it goes from English to Spanish? And it's just easy, possibly. Here's the next clip. I'm precision now. Hello. Hey. These are me as I see them, these are me as I see them, these are me as I see them, these are me, these are me as I see them, these are me as I see them Did a number because I'm writing a agreement. Oh, you can't, if she, why, don't. Okay, fine, I'm not going to, but I'm your two's hook. I know. Don't do it. Don't do it. Let me, let me talk to them again because, or talk to somebody else, not her, but you're not going. She's, she's our staff all fucking day. Okay, then just wait until tomorrow. Okay, well, you're going to call again, and you really need to set a video visitation like right now. Okay. I mean, it's pending. I can't, I can't even get in there yet. What's pending? My, my login and stuff, you don't have any video call yet, right? No, but there's one other girl who has two, and I'm looking at them, and I want, I want a video call. I know you do. We have to wait. It's, it's pending. Okay. Which, I don't even think it's a little time to set stuff up. Okay. But leave, leave the whole iPad thing alone and, it's just, I'm really annoyed, so please call again. I will, but you got it just, just chill. Okay. Yeah, yeah. But like, oh, and I found cotton gloves. I made a little order for myself, like cotton gloves. Oh, yeah. I did, um, underwear. What? I did, I did like the salt and peanuts, and the two pickles, some more shabangs, because good. And I just let you do everything. I already, I got rid of my pen, I got all the stuff that we kind of both added. All right. Okay. Well let me, I'm on a phone call right now. So let's call me again, you know, in a little bit. I don't want to build my whole hour first day. I know. I'm saying she is all these are weasers. Pleasy. I will, I'll follow up. Like right after I get off the hook. I will follow up. I have daddy will do it personally. Okay. I love you so much. I love you too. I love you. Bye. I love you. Love you. Love you. The caller has hung up. I'm so mad right now. This bitch, she pisses me the fuck off. I asked her for the forum and she was like, you are not getting one. You're not getting a form. I don't give a fuck. I don't care if your mom talked to the sheriff or what you're not getting one. I'm not giving you the form. Here she obviously sounded a little more aggressive. Maybe she's trying to mask that she feels entitled bratty angry. I don't know, all of the above, but definitely seems more irritated. Let's roll into the next one. You're weirded out by all your messages. Yeah. Well, so weird. The men. Yeah, that's weird. Cynthia and Miss Kent are going to come and visit you as soon as they as soon as they can. Really? They wanted me to tell you. Yep. And she said, you tell my little shirt of bogey. I know she did not do what everybody is saying. She said, I got to meet the real, I got to meet her. I know who she is. Oh my god, you hear her like fucking gagging and throwing up until some of the guys that I love her. Why is she doing that? She just said fucking gagging all day. Stop. This bitch is not, is that you saying this? I heard you. Did you hear me? She's blowing me like, imagine being in the room next to that. Like, you hear like, like, "Shut up!" Been bagging on the wall? Yes, I'm like, "Shut up!" You're knowing this book. You are knowing this book. People, we don't freeze any of these, we eat the meat there, she's like, "Shut up!" Oh my god! Damn, Stacy sent me, "Hellie, she's a hater." I love you, I understand. I don't want to talk. I know I'm here for you to do whatever I will always be there for you. If we didn't know each other a long time, but I'm glad we did, I got the chance to know you. I know you're going through a lot, so I'll give you my number when you're ready to call me. Hold on. I got to write the ship down. Yep. Why are you not messaging me? Come on, I go in order. 'Cause I've published it in my bra. We never did search here too, which kind of weirds me to fuck out, 'cause I'm used to getting searched. I just want Monday to come and go so we can move on, like, "Let's go." Yes, me too. Right. Okay. She said, "Do you want me to send you the old letters or wait?" Either way, I'll hold on to them if you want to wait. I'm very sorry for going through what you're going through. I know you're probably scared and that is normal. I was too not knowing what was ahead for me going to do. I promise I'll be here for you. I'm glad I got to meet your family. They need me so comfortable around them. More than my family does the two times I've been around them since my son passed. I'm going to take your mom later and ask her to ask your lawyer if I can write you a character letter. Ooh. Okay. I love it when you grow. Keep your head up and stay strong. Such as like American horror story. So once again, not the kindest remarks, but not necessarily like she's trying to speak in code to cover something up or to quiet some of the information about the case or possibly even lie about something. It's more almost as though she's trying to mask what I believe to be her true personality, which is like entitled bitch through and through. Let me play the next one. Diamond gave me like all her shit like when I left and her deodorant shit. Oh good. Because you're eating. Oh my god. She should talk though. My dad didn't put it on the way home. But what else did she give you? Oh Helen Noodle's juice. What what? Yeah I have Noodle's juice. I have like helicopter now. Helen Noodle's juice. Helen Noodles. Helen. A lot of Noodles and juice. That's what's like the name of the juice. Oh good. That's good. We have a problem with that. What do you mean? Like mental. She is a she's, she's a, she's a, she's a, she's a, she's a, she's a, She's not, she's unfeeling. She's easy to see the teasing. She has her whole butt out every day. Okay. This is about a girl who's walking over to her sleevelessly. I think she says she says she says she's off something she's off or something she's like 50 or 40. She wears me the fuck out, but is out and everything. Every time she comes over here, she's like - and I didn't kiss the last one - she thinks I'm talking about something important. So, there you heard another clip. Now again, these aren't like damning things where they were speaking in code and trying to talk about the case or dropping a bombshell relating to the case, but still I was curious enough about this language. I know many of you have been as well. You've been damning me. I've seen it on social media. So, because I love you guys and I'm your true friend Bestie, I had to go the extra mile, get these calls translated and let you know what the heck she was saying. And if there's anything else you want me to have translated by Kate, just feel free to let me know. I thought that the jail calls were, you know, that was a good place to start. So, let me know what you think. Let me know what you think it means. If it means anything, if she was trying to mask her true personality and that's why she was speaking in code language or what, but curious to know your thoughts. Alright guys, thank you so much for tuning in to another episode with me today. Until the next one, you know the drill. Thanks for watching. Don't forget to like and subscribe. Don't kill people and let's be done with McKenzie Sherilla once and for all. Alright, thanks.