215. Carney Has Taught the West How To Stand Up To Trump

Trump has finally met his match in Marconi, the Canadian Prime Minister, is leading the West in standing up to the President, refusing U.S. trade terms and accusing the White House of chaos and division. Despite all that, Gatti, there's going to be a deal. I think that deal comes very quickly and we will be explaining to you why. And speaking of disastrous wars, the U.S. is trapped in the Iran War and the Pentagon seems to be panicking. Just look at those fire journalists refusing to believe the lies that are coming out of the White House, as America entered a new era of military censorship. This episode is brought to you by Yitoro. A tariff of spending plan, a regulatory change, it can all start just as the first line of a speech. But it sets in motion things that can reach far beyond Washington and unfold for years to come. Gatti, markets move on expectations, not just events, investors are constantly weighing. What a decision could mean for companies sectors and the wider economy. So Yitoro is an investing platform where you can access a wide range of markets and explore how political and economic developments can affect them. You could also learn from the global community of investors and see how people around the world are interpreting the same news. As with all investing, your capital is at risk, see itoro.com/trippus for full terms. Welcome to the rest of politics, U.S. I'm Cattie K. I'm Anthony Scaramucci, welcome back, Cattie K. How was your vacation? It was super nice and now I've disappeared the very far north of Scotland. London's been a poccalyptically hot for the last couple of months while I've been here. The far north of Scotland was pretty chilly, but I left my phone behind in London. As you know, because you tried to call me very sweetly, but I hadn't got my phone with me. It was so nice. We were in Jackson all my wife said that she missed you on the trip. I thought we'd FaceTime you to Noa Vale, I say, it was probably having a great time. Well, good for you that you left your phone on. It was good. Do you remember, I remember the governor of Utah once saying to the kids, leave your phone behind, get outside and touch the grass, and I feel like that's what I've done for the last week. It's a great piece of advice. I want to talk about this trade war for a second. I believe that Mark Carney has done something very unique and it doesn't come without political risk, but I think he is, and I put this out on Twitter or X over the weekend, I think he is now the new leader of the Western world. Hear me out for a second, he is basically telling people, he said it in January, you cannot rely on the Americans anymore. This administration wants to decouple from the West. This administration wants the bully its allies unnecessarily on a result of which us middle powers have to real line and think about things very differently. I think him walking away and I've got some really good color on this because the enemy within the administration are normal people. There's still some normal people inside MAGA who will feed you information about what Howard Lutnik did which caused Mark Carney to pull out. But what are your thoughts on Carney here and then we can get into the TikTok of what actually happened? I think you're right that he has done something clearly that no European leader and no British leader has done. They were locked in these trade negotiations that have been going on for weeks and at the very last minute, as we were kind of ticking down to midnight on Friday, Carney says to his team, okay, we're done, get out. There is no trade deal to be had here, it is better to walk away from this. I think that in doing that, he kind of defied some of the rules of the things that other leaders have felt they had to do. I reached out to one senior European diplomat who said to me, the rules of dealing with Trump are flatter, be firm and think of the future. Mark Carney ignored the bit about flattery. He just went straight to firm and he has been gearing up for the future by trying to develop other trade partnerships he signed 20 trade deals in the last year. He's trying to position himself and you're right, there could be economic blowback, but I spoke to Christopher Edland, the former deputy prime minister of Canada this morning and I said, is this the rule book that other Europeans should be following? Is this what America's allies in Mexico, in South Korea, in Japan and all across the West should be following and she said, absolutely, it's long overdue. If they had done this from the beginning, if they had said to President Trump on Liberation Day, we are friends, we want to work together, we can be allies, but we are not taking this. We are not accepting this behavior. Then maybe we wouldn't be in the position we're in now where he's able to carry on bullying countries. It was really interesting hearing that from her. I guess the question for Carney and to me, and you understand the economics of this better than me, is what happens if inflation goes up dramatically, unemployment goes up in Canada and Canadian businesses start failing because of this, right? That must be the risk, isn't it? Yeah, but you know, you don't fight with people that live in the coal weather, okay? Napoleon learned that about the Russians and the Americans are going to learn that about the Canadians because they're pissed. They have a big hockey stick and they're prepared to wield it. They have boycotted our whiskey, they boycotted our wine, they're not showing up in Florida. You have not 20 billion dollars, 20 billion US dollars off of Canadian tourism, and that's filtering out into other parts of the world, it's just not coming here to the United States. Mark Carney is a very astute politician. He knows how pissed they are, but I think what is being missed here a little bit in the reporting, and I'm going to talk about Jameson Greer in a second, because I actually feel bad for Jameson Greer as belligerent as he is. He had a deal. He had a deal, and then Deus Ex Machina, Howard Lutnik, came into the deal and said, "Well, no, we're going to do this and that and the other thing." And then they tried to attack the culture, and I'm calling it the Quebec Clause, Cadi. And so for people to understand what he wanted in the deal was the United States is shipping a good into Canada currently. It has to label it with French language and English language when it ships into Canada, which is what goes on for all of Canadian importation. And Howard Lutnik said, "No, we don't want to do that anymore." Just trying to force the English language into Canada. Well, they've got a million bottles of wine, as you suggested, sitting in warehouses, waiting to get the labels pulled off them from French into English. That's what they want to do, right? Exactly. And so that was number one. And then the second thing is he pushed very hard on the steel situation. And Jameson Greer was like, "We already have the deal." Trump tweeted out that he had a deal. Now he doesn't have a deal. And it took Trump almost 24 hours to say, "Canada wants to be a state without a state, because he was out of the loop here." And in terms of what Trump has said, initially, he just put out that fairly lame truth social post. But just in the last few minutes, Anthony, he has actually posted on Canada again and is threatening 50% tariffs on all Canadian cars and trucks. On January 1st, 2027, he's writing tariffs on all cars, trucks, both large and small automotive parts and steel, will be increased to 50%. He goes on to say, "Build in the U.S. and there are zero tariffs, Canada will be treated like a state no longer." So where do you think goes, Anthony? Here's my prediction, Caddy. They're going to get a deal done in the next two weeks, because he is getting pressure on him from these northern states and he's got a midterm election coming. And he's going to tackle on this situation as he always does. So I agree with you. I think that's the kind of most likely scenario. But what is interesting in that is they go back to the negotiating table, they get a deal, but Carney has had a massive political victory. His skill wasn't in walking away from the trade deal. It was in choosing the moment and picking the French language packaging as the hill that he was prepared to die on. So he gets right up to the almost midnight, pulls out. The Canadians wake up the next morning, absolutely furious, totally united. You've got conservatives endorsing what he did. You've got political opponents endorsing what he did. And the Americans seem to have been left flat-footed. The White House had no response, except President Trump's Truth Social Post, which was pretty mild-mannered by Trumpian standards. And Sean Duffy, who goes to the transport secretary, who goes on the Sunday shows saying, "Oh, well, Canada hasn't got a military and has high youth and nature rates." And that was the best that the White House could do. I just think the politics of how Carney played this strategically were masterful. That was a masterclass in how to do your timing, get your country rallied behind you, and leave the opposition with no real answer. Well, he had dug forward the premiere of Ontario away from him, boom, he's together with him. I guess Alberta is the only one that's still, you know, a little bit recalcitrant, but [BLANK_AUDIO] back is with him. I mean, the deal didn't die over steel caddy. Let's be clear about that. It died over French labels on cereal boxes, which made it sound like a kind of colonial play by the Americans trying to change Canadian culture. You know, we start a trade war over the bilingual languaging on a cornflakes package. Okay. So you got to think about how ridiculous this is. And also, you know, it's it's a rounding error. We're talking about 20 billion dollars of trade on goods where there's 280 billion dollars of overall trade. So this is ridiculous. But I want to go to Jameson Greer because this is important this morning. I listened to his interview, Joe Kernan interviewed him on Squawk box. And he said it collapsed because Canada wanted more. Okay, Mr. Greer, what more did Canada want? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I couldn't say it. He had no idea what more Canada wants. It was actually embarrassing. And and Kernan is actually, you know, friendly to the administration. It was literally serving softballs up to Greer. And Greer was whiffing on softballs. Okay. But, you know, the real question, Kernan didn't ask him this, but sir, you had a deal midweek. The president tweeted out about it. When you were going to finalization, you guys flipped the table over on corny. You're really not pushing back on that. You're just not telling us what more corny wanted. Okay. So, so, let me ask you a question. If you had to trust the words of the following three people. Okay. Prime Minister Mark Karney, trade representative ambassador, Jameson Greer, or secretary of commerce, Howard Lutnik, which of those three people would you say is probably telling the most truth? So, I'm going with your leader of the free world on this one. For for a hundred points, I'm going with your leader of the free world. And this, I think that gets to what everybody is thinking. And I'm recording this from London. But that's the assumption now amongst America's allies is that you don't trust anything that the White House says. So, if the White House says no, it was the Canadians, guess what? America's allies are going to believe that it was the Americans and not the Canadians. And Mark Karney got to that when he said, you know, the American signature is written in pencil. He's echoing something everybody believes because that's what they keep doing. They'll, they'll do one thing, say there's a deal and then change the goalposts. This is a familiar pattern. People know this by now. He's done it with Iran. He's done it in the Middle East. He's done it all over Europe. He's done it with the Ukrainians. It's not an unfamiliar pattern. And I think what? Karney did. The other thing I thought there was so genius politically about what Karney did was he leaned into that disunity. In that press conference, he called out the Americans. He was saying, kept saying, look, the Canadian negotiating side was unified. The American side was not unified. So, he is doing a divide and conquer right there. And when he was asked, well, was Howard Lucknick unhelpful in the final days of the negotiations before this blew up, he just kind of shrugged and laughed. I mean, he didn't even need to answer it. He was very clear, right? Yeah, look at the org chart. He basically was telling you that they were the keystone cops in the gang that wouldn't shoot straight. But I want to explain something to our viewers and listeners about where we are right now, because so much should be asking the question, well, didn't the Supreme Court say that these tariffs and the position of them are illegal? And the answer to that is yes. And so what the administration is trying to do now is they're trying to use something called Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974. It lets the president unilaterally impose tariffs after the USTR. The trade representative investigates that a foreign country is using unfair or unreasonable trade mechanisms that would burden US commerce. Now, the problem with this is that it's not clear that this is relevant towards going on with Canada. So Mark Carney is no dummy. Trump says he owns all the cards because he has a bigger economy, but Mark Carney knows that the administration will likely lose this court case in the imposition of the tariffs. But the flip side is, Carney has the goods, he can impose these tariffs. And just to remind everybody what are tariffs, they're actually taxes on the Canadian residents of Mark Carney imposes them and their taxes on the Americans if the president imposes them. So it's very hard to say if these tariffs would actually stick in an American court and of course there'll be lawsuits related to them. And by the way, I just want to point out to everybody, Mark Carney currently leading the free world understands that. Yeah, he does. Okay, I have another question for you. So I think we're both on the same page. We think that Canada goes back to the table and in a couple of weeks or a month sign something close to what he had on offer. And in the meantime, by the way, banks this big political win that he's just had. And he's already at 66% approval ratings, which is massive if you look at the approval ratings of other Western leaders. So he is riding pretty at the moment. He played this super well for his home audience. There is always the risk that the tariff stand and that he gets penalized in some way. And this, you know, hurts the Canadian economy. And they don't manage to reach some kind of a deal. And inflation goes up and jobs at last. Does this now become the beginning of a Donald Manoeu effect in how other countries start dealing with the United States with this White House and this administration? Because clearly that's what Christopher Lynn is thinking. And I spoke to a European official, a EU official last night who said, look, we are all going to be watching this very carefully to see how this pans out. And it hasn't been the way that other countries have dealt with him, but do they now? No, I mean, the other country said, hey, let's flatter Donald Trump. Let's say nice things about him. And then he'll be conciliatory to us and we'll get our way. And then, you know, the Brits actually did that, right? Stormer actually got in there first and you got a 10% deal. And so people said, okay, that's the way to do things. Do the flattery. Bring the state visit invitation. Yeah. Well, that's what happens. He Trump wanted that state visit. So he's enamored by the king and he's enamored by the monarchy. And so those cards were played very well by the UK government. And they got that deal. But that was the wrong signal, Caddy. It was the wrong signal for the rest of the world because I think that was unique to the UK. So I think Karni's got the playbook. And I've said this on this program. Repeatedly, Karni is the one that handles him the best. He's a good forechecker. He gets him into the corner, use that arch analogy and knocks him into the boards and doesn't care. Moreover, Karni also knows that the Republicans in the Congress are putting huge heat on the president. They're on the phone saying, hey, you're killing the auto industry in Michigan. You're going to have El Sayed win in Michigan because of this. Michigan doesn't like it. Maine doesn't like it. Ohio doesn't like it. Guess what? They are all important states in the midterm elections. Exactly. One more question for you, right? That's the global look. How should other countries respond? Can they respond like that? Can the European Union come back with a bit more balls and stand up to Trump? Right? I love my country and I want my country to do well economically. But when my country puts itself in a bullying position, I don't like that and looks very bad for American people. It's not in the interest of doing a great job for the American economy at the moment. It's terrible. It's just a stupidity and it's unnecessary and it's actually economically illogical. But then again, if I was a KGB agent and I was being handled by the president of Russia and I said, okay, here's what I'd like you to do. I'd like you to bust up the alliances and I would like you to threaten NATO and I'd like you to take your closest ally and I'd like you to have an atom bomb go off between you guys economically. I'd then I would say the guy's doing a great job. Now I'm not saying that he's that. It's just hypothetical. Yes, I'm just bringing. Possibility. Once in a while we have to talk academically about hypotheticals. But what the hell are you doing? What the hell are you doing and why are you doing it, Mr. Trump? You see, James and Greer won't go on a tough question session. Kerna didn't ask him the questions. What more do the Canadians want? Blah, blah, blah. Don't can't really tell you. Oh, and by the way, what the hell are you doing and why are you doing it? Which by the way is the other reason you believe Mark Carney because he went into that press conference armed with very specific things, right? He told us exactly what it was that he couldn't say yes to and even if you were just listening to those two accounts, which one would you believe you'd believe the one that actually had the substance and the facts to back it up. Okay, one other question for you. If you are the strategist for Gavin Usam, John Ossoff, Andy Bashir, JB Pritzker, are you telling them to sit up late at night and binge watch videos of Mark Carney? Because it seems to me that there you have somebody who has managed without hyperbole, without being kind of crazy hyperbolic or rude has managed to push back against Donald Trump in a way that is calm and authoritative and credible. And if I was their advisor, I'd just say listen, turn on YouTube, sit up late at night with a popcorn. Don't take your eyes off this. But you know where the problem is with all those guys. Okay, Mark Carney, 13 years of Goldman Sachs before the Bank of Canada. He was also then ran the Bank of England. He has an economics degree class of 1988 from Harvard. He was the backup goalie on the hockey team, so he's a tough F-S-O-B. He then has a doctorate from Oxford, both in philosophy and economics. So I don't know. These guys don't have this man's skill set. What I would stipulate, if Mark Horney was an American citizen, he would be the de facto front runner of the Democratic Party right now. No question. It was like, okay, give him the keys, he'll figure it out. He's not woke, he's practical, like a Mike Bloomberg, where he serves on the board. He's known as a very tough negotiate. But to me, those guys don't have the RIS, Gadike. Not like this. This is a different type of RIS. This is like nerdy, but I'm tougher than steel sort of RIS. It's not just Pablo and those politicians that you just mentioned, they're a little bit like Secretary Clinton, they're searching for the answer. Don't search for the answer. Go to first principles. This is how you deal with bullies. This is the first principle, but I know we've got to go to the break, but I question back to you, who has the stomach for a fight? Do the Canadians can hold on longer than the Americans, or can the Americans hold on longer than the Canadians? I mean, if you look at the unity, you look at his 66% approval ratings, and a lot of that comes down to the way he's handled Donald Trump. I mean, this wasn't, you know, the reason that Marconi is so popular, he has every, the person he has to thank for that, one DJT sitting in the White House. Yeah. That's why he was elected in the first place, and it's why he maintained his popularity. So good job, Donald Trump, on making Marconi so popular. And remember, guys, you don't fight, you don't fight with people that live in coal weather. Remember where the attack came from in the game of thrones? It came from the North. It comes from the North. These people, they don't care. They'll eat snow. They don't care. That's why you don't go off to Greenland. Okay. We'll take a break. I'll be right back. Welcome back to the rest of the politics US with me, Anthony Scaramucci and Cadi-Cadi. Cadi? I don't know. It doesn't seem like it's going well, despite defeating Iran 47 times, wiping out their Navy, wiping out everything about Iran, seems like they control the Strait of Hormuz, not going well. But the Pentagon has decided that they're going to fire the editor-in-chief of stars and stripes, and also the Middle East reporter. So Eric Slavin and Mark Letter are gone now from the Pentagon. They said that they're woke, Gadi, but you know what, they really are. They're good accountants. They were counting the numbers and reporting the numbers, and they were also explaining the debacle that was happening on the US, as Abraham Lincoln. The Pentagon did not like the truth there, so they jettisoned those two guys. And a third reporter, too. That was like, it's been like a clique. And by the way, the stars and stripes, just for those who don't know, I have always found it an excellent publication. It is accountable to Congress. It is partly funded by the Pentagon and partly funded by Congress. It has a reach of about 1.4 million people who read it on a regular basis. Many of them service members and service members families, and despite the fact that they've just allowed their editor-in-chief, their Middle East reporter and their publisher, because the White House doesn't like the way they've been reporting conditions on the USS Lincoln conditions for troops abroad, the digging that they've been doing. Guess what? Today, the stars and stripes is still out with reporting breaking news about how service members posted to Iran and their families have been told to find long-term housing, because they've been evacuated from Bahrain, and no one knows when they're going back. So it hasn't stopped the stars and stripes from doing its jobs, queued us to them. Well, Caddy, it's economic de-day time, though. Scott Percent is going to come out, and we're going to do everything we can to cut off the economic life that is sustaining Iran. Okay, so China last week said, "Hey, that's not going to solve this crisis in economic warfare, but you've got the danger now is you're going to put the Chinese right in the crosshairs. They happen to be the biggest trading partner for Iran, you're going to put them right in the crosshairs of these U.S. sanctions." So, you know, I see desperation here by the Americans, not strength, and the Iranians are outgiven speeches. The foreign minister said, "Hey, we're middle power. We beat up on the Americans. All we had to do was outlast five months of their ammunition. We control the strait of Hormuz. Oh, did you not know that we're pumping oil, and we're shipping it to China by rail. We're trucking it to China, and once or while we're letting our own boats get out of the strait of Hormuz, because we control it." And the president, by the way, I don't know. I guess he thinks he's doing well. Reporters push back on him. He calls them fake news, but the numbers don't look good for the president, okay? His net negative numbers, you reported that this morning on Morning Joe. And I don't know, he's got a 32% approval rating. So, tell me what's going on, Cassie, between the reality distortion and the White House and the reality that's going on in the world. So, I was talking to David French, who's a great conservative colonist at The New York Times, and he had a really good phrase on this. This was this morning on the show, and he said this is the personalization of the state. And what they did, they went out of office for four years and they figured out how to rearrange all the mechanisms and organs of government and the state in one man's favor, to make Donald Trump look good. And then Donald Trump launches a war, and we spoke about the tariff war in the first half, and then he launches another war against Iran, and it's not going well. You saw that Barry McCaffrey, former general, is saying the US could have lost 15 bases in the Middle East permanently because of this war. They've lost munitions, more people have been hurt than they actually want to report at the Pentagon. They're trying to fiddle the numbers. The economy is not doing well because the tariffs and the economy is not doing well because of Iran. And so, what are they, you know, the kind of Machiavellian thing that they do in the White House is they think, okay, well, it's not going well, but we can't have anyone reporting that it's not going well. So we can't fire the Wall Street Journal reporters. We can't fire the New York Times recorders. We can't fire the BBC reporters, but we do have power over this one outlet. So we are going to use that power wherever we can to make Donald Trump look good. So when Donald Trump is looking bad and is embarrassed because of the conditions on the USS Abraham Lincoln or because of the lack of munitions or because his plane doesn't work from the cataries. What do they do? They try to use anything they can, any lever of power that they can, including firing these journalists to try and make Donald Trump look good. And I think that's what's happening here. I think you're right. When they do this, it's a sign that things aren't going well because they don't have other resources to make it go better. And so they have to do something to try and pretend it's the sort of emperor has no close thing, right? It's not going well, but we can fix the reporting and make it look like it's going well. It's not going well. We're going to withhold the casualty numbers for as long as possible. Turns out we have 757 wounded 18 people were killed, but let's hold back on that as long as possible. It's not going well militarily, rather than us saying that we're now going to have an economic war because we can't figure out a way to do this militarily. And by the way, our chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Cain doesn't like it. He's been leaking that he wants out. Let's go to gas prices. The average gas price in the U.S. is $4.9 a gallon. That's a 37.5% increase since the beginning of the war. This is not going well for Trump. It's not going well for the Republicans. And you also, you know this. We have a supply depletion in our strategic reserves. This is going to help them. I mean, it's slightly all ban-esque, this one. I mean, I don't like the comparisons with Hungary, particularly America's a much bigger, more complicated country, much bigger population, bigger and more robust news outlets, and I think by and large the news outlets. Look at just the number of lawsuits he's got against news outlets. The news outlets are doing well in reporting the presidency, and the New York Times is doing a great job. But if he thinks that by firing the leadership of the stars and stripes, he can hide the reality of the cost of this war, the number of the casualties, the cost in terms of gas prices, I think it's kind of smoking something. And also, these authoritarian quasi kind of authoritarian adjacent moves, it turns out aren't very popular. Viktor Orbán is no longer actually the president of Hungary, because people vote over their pockets and they don't like the corruption. And I think that's what you're seeing when I, those numbers that you cited, okay, let's quickly run through them. This is the new economist, Yu-Gov-Pol. Trump's approval rating, here you go. It's 22 in Texas, minus 27 in Michigan, minus 31 in Maine, minus 31 in Georgia. I think if you think that by getting rid of the top leadership of stars and stripes, you can turn around people's reality. Some say I'm the greatest president since George Washington, some say that, but I'm certainly better than people in Lincoln. people say. And these journalists are looking at them like you're crazy. And then he got hit with these inflation numbers. He's sitting in the Oval Office in the chair by the fireplace. And he got hit with the inflation numbers. He pushed back. He said gas prices are lower. Mr. President, they're not lower. They're up 37 percent fake news. He said, "Fake news." But it's not fake news. It's $1,200. And those people in Texas and Michigan and Maine and Georgia, they know it. Which is why the president is so unpopular. Yeah. Nobody voted for that line item. Okay. It's showing up at the pump and it's showing up in other places in the economy. The president didn't say in November or October of 2024. Here, guys, here's what we're going to do. I'm going to blow up the global trade situation. So you're going to pay hundreds of billions of dollars in tariffs, which is going to increase prices. I am going to blow up the Middle East again. So we're going to go into another forever war. I am not going to disclose the Epstein files. And you remember this, when the Epstein files were hopped before the war started, I said nothing. Nothing will happen with the Epstein files in this country. Because I know how this country works. And so now you're sitting here and the light item per family caddy is $1,200 per family. They didn't sign up for that. The president is trying to pretend that it's not happening. And now, look, he's a lucky guy. I'm not saying he isn't. Maybe things will break his way as we get towards the election, but it doesn't feel like it. There's another story around all of this that I think ties into this and it puts the human face on this and it ties in all of the immigration stuff too. And that's the case of a guy called Joshua V. Les who's been deployed on the USS Abraham Lincoln for nine months. And over the weekend, the border patrol detained his father, Luis Manuel Roa, at a traffic stop in Key West, Florida. He was Nicaragua and born handyman. His family says that he holds a license, a social security card and a work permit and is waiting for a green card and that he is in the country legally. Joshua, his son, who's been on the USS Lincoln, deployed for nine months and is doing 12 hour shifts, is distraught about this and says, listen, the conditions here are really tough. I have been at sea for nine months fighting for this country and they've picked my dad up at a traffic stop and they're going to hold him in detention and the Department of Homeland Security's response to this is having a family member in the military doesn't protect you from deportation. I think this is a story Anthony that is going to get picked up because I think it is the human face of all of this of what is happening with the pentagon, of what is happening with these soldiers who have been deployed for a long time or the fact that we're not getting the real information and it just revives all of the case and the DHS' response kind of a heartless response honestly when you've got your son who's been deployed fighting for the country for nine months could come back to cause them problems. What did you pick up on that story? Did you hear it? I was wondering what you thought about that. Not only that I pick up on the story, that's the thing if I was a political advisor to new some or to Pritzker or any of these other guys offsoft. I would be I'd be hammering away at this because also you have to remember something. There's something called military parole in place. So what does that basically mean? I'm being recruited and the recruiters has listened. We're going to help out your spouse. We're going to help out your children and parents have active duty members and veterans get legal status from inside the country. Okay I'm not saying that everybody qualifies for that. There are some visa overstays and you have to do follow the rules but this man did follow the rules and he has a work permit. He has a driver's license and his son says that was a big reason he joined the military was to help his dad because of that but he has a work permit. He has a driver's license and he has a Social Security card which means he's making a tax contribution to the Social Security Trust Fund. So this is the stuff that really bothers me because this is indiscriminate. This is a very bad thing for them and this is a bright spot on the Hexet situation. Hexet to me has been a terrible secretary of defense. He's been a ridiculous sick of fan and he's generally a dummy but he has been helpful on the recruiting side. Recruiting is up. Okay and people are going to be mad at me but the woke nonsense that the Biden's and the Obama's put into the military. There's no place for that in the American military. The minute he stopped doing some of that now he went overboard. He fired qualified African Americans and qualified Hispanics and qualified women and qualified women and he said that there were DEI hires. That's absolutely ridiculous. There's some great leaders in the military that actually they got there despite their race or their ethnic background or even their sex. So that stuff was ridiculous but he has improved the recruiting. This is a mortal blow to the recruit. Okay so if this story doesn't get resolved quickly for them this is a mortal blow to the recruiting but again this is that organ stuff that you're talking about. Disinformation, lots of hate going on, lots of division and then how about self-aggrandizement and money making for the family at the top. I mean this guy's turned the country. The country's heading for Banana Republic. There are people some people listening saying no no you're in a Banana Republic now. I'm in denial about that because I'm 62 years old and I love my country and I have an unconditional love affair with the country but we have to fix this. This is an emergency situation now for the country. If you're going to let these boso's continue to do this and by the way Katty we have a full car lease to go of Donald Trump. Okay there's 27 months to go of this guy and I predict he's going to get crazier. He's going to get crazier after the midterms. Okay talking of crazy guys we will be back on Wednesday with our episode for founding members and lots of you want to know about the human printer, the woman who credits Trump with saving her life and is seemingly always at the president's side. We are going to be asking just how much influence Natalie Harp has and what it's like to be in Trump's inner circle. Something for Anthony knows very well. 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