This BBC Podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. Everybody has a hot take on the economy. And whether you're curious about inflation, trade wars, or the markets, what you need is reporting you can trust. Hi, I'm Kai, Rizdal, the host of Marketplace. Our award-winning reporters talk to everybody from CEOs to farmers to help you understand how the economy takes shape in the real world. You'll be smarter every time you listen. And these days, that's priceless. Listen to Marketplace on your favourite podcast app. BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, Podcasts. Hello everybody. About 18 months ago, a man gave a brief speech that may be coming back to bite him. Who remembers this? We're going to walk down to the capital. And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women. And we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them. Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. That was Donald Trump, of course, on January the 6th, 2021. Speaking to the crowd who disembowled in Washington to listen to him, as he encouraged them to go up to the capital building. And well, we all know what happened next after that, don't we? Now there's a further development. As a result of what he said that day, what led up to it, Donald Trump has been indicted for the third time. This time, over his attempts to overturn the 2020 election. We're coming on the air today with the breaking news in the Special Council's investigation of Donald Trump. CBS News has learned that a federal grand jury has voted to indict the former president for his attempt to overturn the results of an election he lost up to ending his day. And as you can imagine, social media is already going just a bit wild about this latest news. I think it's always around these indictments that I'm reminded of just how polarised social media can be and the different views on all sides. And today it's just me and Sarah chatting to you because Anthony is on a well-earned breaking island, probably in a pub we'd hope somewhere. And Justin is probably asleep, so it's very much a Barbie land takeover from Sarah and I. Yeah, we've expelled the kens in order to talk about this genuinely serious moment because it is the third time Donald Trump's been indicted and unbelievable, as I say, it almost becomes normal to watch a former president facing criminal charges. But it's not. There's nothing normal about it at all. These are the most serious charges he's faced yet and so of course we have to do you an emergency America. And because this has happened not once but actually twice before, we even have a sound for it on America's. It is the Trump Trumpit. So Trumpit away. Welcome to America's. America's. America's from BBC News. Let me start off with two words. May in America. I'm not running for San Tote here. I'm running for president. I did everything right and they indicted me. I can chew and walk on at the same time. There is no indication of aliens or extra terrestrial activity. We will fight the woke in education. We will fight the woke in the businesses. We will never ever surrender to the woke mom. Nobody should have to go to jail for smoking a weed. Ryan. Why is she but is tired of covering this? This is Sarah. I'm in the studio in Washington, DC where the news of Trump's indictment is flooding into us. And it is me, Mariana, misinformation in London. The glued to social media. And I can imagine that you have had not a very quiet evening, Sarah. No, although I had a very civilised day right up until we got news that this indictment might be about to drop. And in fact, one of the things I did during the day was an America's interview with the former FBI director James Comet. And we talked about a lot of Trump related issues, including the possibility that he might be indicted for trying to overturn the 2020 election. And we'll play that interview a little bit later in this episode. But then we got some guidance. And you know this, Mariana, that you're often told things off the record about what might happen when. You're not allowed to report the fact that it's going to happen, but it does at least help you plan your day. And we got told for planning purposes only that we were getting indictment at four in the afternoon. So that's nine o'clock UK time. And we thought, well, that's going to land perfectly for the 10 o'clock news. I'll quickly put together a report based on whatever the indictment says. Get it on the 10 o'clock news. And probably we'll even hear the special counsel, Jack Smith, who was scheduled to give a press conference at five o'clock our time, 10 o'clock your time. Get a clip of that on the news. And there I am standing waiting to go on the news. It's five o'clock. It's five past five. It's 10 past five. We still haven't had words. So I'm left saying, uh, well, we think this thing is coming. We're anticipating it. When does it come? Five thirty one like 90 seconds after the 10 o'clock news that was off there. It's almost like they don't care about our on air times. And what a busy evening. And for for America, as you're tuning in now, I think and me too actually, I just want to understand a bit more about what's happened here. So what is this indictment about? What exactly is Trump being charged with? And because I'm saying a lot about this word conspiracy, but not the conspiracy theories necessarily that I deal in. Instead, this idea of conspiracy to defraud the United States and conspiracy against rights. What does it all mean? Well, so there are four charges and they all relate to attempts to overturn the 2020 election. Some of them specifically about what happened on January the 6th, those attacks on the capital, whether or not Donald Trump inspired people to go up there, the way in which he'd been pressuring Mike Pence's vice president, not to certify Joe Biden as the president. But there are other counts as well. I mean, there's actually 45 pages of it. I've gotten front of me here, but I won't read them all out. I promise. There are four charges and they are conspiracy to defraud the United States. That's about all the ways in which Trump and his allies or co-conspirators contacted different states, election officials in different states, and tried all sorts of ways to get them to overturn the results. Remember that famous phone call that was recorded? So we've heard it when he called up the Secretary of State in Georgia and asked him to find nearly 12,000 extra votes, just enough to flip the state his way. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more that we have, because we want the state. I only need 11,000 votes. I tell us, I need 11,000 votes. Give me a break. There's nothing wrong with saying that you've recalculated. There are two charges about obstructing an official proceeding. So that refers to the attempt to prevent Joe Biden being certified as a president at that hearing, which was, of course, famously taking place in the capital on the 6th of January. And then the fourth one, conspiracy against rights is really interesting. That's actually a very, very old statute that goes way back to attempts to protect Black people's rights to vote after slavery had been abolished. And it's basically saying that when Trump and his co-conspirators were trying to get the states to overturn their results and falsely say that Donald Trump, not Joe Biden, had once say Arizona or Georgia or Michigan, that everybody who, in fact, had voted for Joe Biden in those states, their votes would be not be encountered, and that therefore that is a conspiracy against their right to have their vote properly counted. It does sometimes feel like we need an almost indictment dictionary to help us with all of the all of the lingo that comes with it. And so on that note, just remind us, Sarah, what is an indictment and an arrangement? What are the definitions? So an indictment is the charges. It's a document, a copy of which I've been able to print out and have in front of me. It lists in detail everything that the prosecutors are alleging that Donald Trump did. And if he was guilty of all of this, then he would be guilty of the conspiracies as listed. The arrangement is basically the arrest, and of course because Donald Trump keeps being indicted and keeps being arraigned, we know the procedure pretty well now. So the arrangement will take place on Thursday, the 3rd of August. This one will be in Washington, DC, in the federal court, not too far away from me where I am now. And Donald Trump will turn up. He will, at some point, after appearing court, he won't enter a plea yet at this point, but he gets processed. He's officially arrested. Usually he's spared having to give his fingerprints and have a mug shot taken because he's so well known as a former president. But he does have to sit in the courtroom, he will listen to what the charges are. And then that same once he has been arraigned, that's the legal process starting. And the prosecutor, Jack Smith, has already said he's going to ask for a speedy trial. Since the attack on our capital, the Department of Justice has remained committed to ensuring accountability for those criminally responsible for what happened that day. This case is brought consistent with that commitment. And our investigation of other individuals continues. In this case, my office will seek a speedy trial so that our evidence can be tested in court and judged by jury of citizens. And now we've got a third case as discussed, which may well also interfere with the election time.
table and he himself says this is nothing short of election interference and he put a statement on truth social just before the indictment was unsealed and we were all able to see it saying why didn't they bring these charges two and a half years ago, I just after the 6th of January because he says no they wanted to hold on to it and land it right in the middle of the election campaign because this is all their attempt to stop me getting back into the White House. But you know he is directly leveling that at the people who he says are conducting a political witch hunt against him. He can say what he likes the one thing he can't do is avoid being in a courtroom for any of these trials so it's going to be fascinating to see whether he can spin that to his advantage you know he can say when he's out on the campaign trail as he already does. Luke you know this is one more reason to vote for me to stand up to the establishment who are trying to persecute me but he can't be doing that whilst he's simultaneously in a courtroom. And it's interesting what you say Sarah about I mean you were discussing Trump's reaction there and obviously there's already this huge amount of reaction on social media both from you know elected representatives and politicians and then also from you know the average voter and you know when you say that actually you know we see how Trump's popularity increases rather than decreases around these indictments it is quite obvious when you look at the social media reaction you know that those who support Trump are again doubling down over this. I'm looking at ex now ex formerly known as Twitter that we chatted about last week and really interestingly Florida governor Ron Desantis who we talk about a lot and he was currently Trump's biggest rival for the nomination in 2024 and hasn't come to Trump's defence quite so directly as that he hasn't named him but he has had to go at the US government's alleged weaponization of the federal branch as he calls it and he says Washington DC is a swamp and it's unfair to have to stand trial before a jury that is reflective of the swamp mentality. So you know it's almost I mean like I said right at the start of this episode the social media polarization is so obvious at times like this because those who support Trump or support the Republican Party are kind of immediately or a lot of them seem to be coming out in his defence. I think it's really interesting as well and I'm sort of just looking right now at this statement that Mike Pence who obviously is also you know in the running but I'm not doing particularly well in the running so he said today's indictment serves as an important reminder anyone who puts himself over the constitution should never be president of the United States. Our country is more important than one man. Our constitution is more important than anyone man's career and this very much looks like him could kind of try and say look I might have I might have been there too but you know I don't I kind of don't agree with this I don't know what you think of it. Yeah and there's a very large chunk of the indictments all about Mike Pence and what happened on January the 6th there's probably worth recapping a little bit because sometimes it's a bit complicated but we're going to be talking about this for weeks or months to come. So initially Donald Trump and his allies were as I said before contacting elected officials in different states trying to get them to change their results when that didn't work. They had a whole new plan and that was about creating fake electors so let me just very quickly give you a little bit of constitutional history. When you elect the president of the United States it's not actually all the votes that were cast in all the different states. What happens is each state puts together a slate of what are called electors like a dozen of them or so it depends depends on the different states and they will then sign something that says in Georgia we voted for Joe Biden to be our president. In Michigan we voted for Joe Biden to be our president right and that gets signed by these electors and it's those certificates that go to Congress and they're on the 6th of January after each election year are then certified by the Congress and that's the point at which it's certified who the new president is. So that's why Trump gathered all those people there on January the 6th and he had actually put together a slate of fake electors in a number of different states that's part of the conspiracy that he's charged with. And what he wanted Mike Pence as vice president and therefore president of the Senate to do was to certify these fake certificates or at the very least to say oh I seem to have two sets of electors here from the state of Michigan. I don't know which is the correct one. I'll need to send it back to the state to sort it out. So you would at least delay certifying Joe Biden as president. And when the more attacked the capital after Donald Trump had told them that Mike Pence a had the power to stop Joe Biden being certified as president which Mike Pence always denied that he had and also that he was letting his supporters down by refusing to do this. Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us and if he doesn't that will be a sad day for our country and Mike Pence I hope you're going to stand up for the good of our constitution and for the good of our country and if you're not I'm going to be very disappointed in you I will tell you right now. That's why they were rampaging through the capital building shouting hang Mike Pence. That's why they had brought a noose with them to try to hang Mike Pence. And of course his security detail thought his life was genuinely under threat at that point. So you know this is a man who is deeply invested in what happened in that day and all of that all of the campaign of pressure of Donald Trump even phoning him on Christmas day to tell him Merry Christmas. Oh and by the way Mike I'm going to need you to defy the constitution and not certify Joe Biden as president on the 6th of January. All of that's laid out and that's going to be an important part of the trial. It's interesting you took about January the 6th and we probably need to kind of remind America's about just how you know everything that unfolded that day and the way that that Trump supporters storm the capital and the kind of makeup of people you're there. You know there are a whole range of people who who truly brought into not only the idea that the election was frozen and erected in some way but actually you know why the conspiracy theory is the Q and on conspiracy theory that we've spoken about before all about this idea that you know there are satanic pedophiles who Donald Trump is waging this war against you. He's trying to fight and defeat and people who are part of you know different groups the oath keepers the proud boys people who have actually found themselves you know charged and an in prison as a consequence of what happened that day and something I spent quite lot of time covering before the election was just understanding how that narrative about election fraud and everything else spread on social media directly from Donald Trump's own social media account and I remember actually I'm just going to get up the article now because there's a piece I worked on that found that between the April of 2020 and the election itself Donald Trump had mentioned rigged elections or voter fraud more than 70 times on Twitter now called X and so I just think that yeah you know this feels like almost the this is describing what happened but actually there's all sorts of important and interesting things to unpick in everything that happened before that moment and how this kind of narrative is spread and seeded although we should add as was just explained about this indictment Trump and anyone are innocent until proven otherwise. All of Donald Trump's defenders who are coming out saying this is part of a political plot that it's a which hunt against them that was all to be expected that's what they've done every time he's indicted still unbelievable isn't it that we talk about a former president being repeatedly indicted but as a result these are themes that I already talked about earlier today with the former director of the FBI James Comey he's a very interesting man he was appointed by Barack Obama to lead the FBI and then sacked by Donald Trump about six months after Trump came to office and he was originally a lawyer before he was heading up the FBI and he's reinvented himself now as a novelist he's written a a crime thriller called Central Park West and earlier today I was talking to him about that and about all matters Trump. Every time Donald Trump is charged his poll ratings go up it's like he defies political gravity. Do you understand why people are still supporting him? I think that it's a it's a function of human nature there's a ceiling on his poll numbers right he hasn't expanded his voter support since the last election which he lost in 2020 but what he's done is tightened his grip on those who supported him and that's a function of human nature that I've seen over and over again in criminal cases people who've been defrauded struggle to admit that they were fools and they tend to be drawn deeper and deeper by fresh and new lies and that that's just what happens to people who are caught in the fog of a fraudster or a demagogue and so it doesn't surprise me that people go deeper once they're they've seen these things because otherwise what will they do they they look at the television images of January the sixth and those images whisper you fool look what you've done to your country. Most people can't hear that whisper and say you're right I was a fool I did a terrible thing instead most people find a way to be drawn deeper into it and tell themselves stories that they have to continue on the path and now we're in a situation where Donald Trump and many of his allies in fact even some of the candidates who are running against him for their republican nomination are blaming a lot of this on the justice system as well as on the Biden administration they say that democrats have weaponized the Department of Justice and the FBI and they're saying that these departments are acting in a politically motivated way are you worried about what that will do to public trust in institutions like the FBI that you used to run. Yes because lying works and lying at scale works at scale so there
millions of Americans because they're caught in this fog of lies believe the new ones. And I get why these public figures around Trump and even the candidates trying to cultivate his base lie about the FBI and the Justice Department shame on them, but I understand why they do it. The good news is in the long run, Donald Trump has to be in a courtroom. Relyan doesn't fly. And the justice system, including our court system, has shown itself to be a real pillar of American democracy over the last four years since the torrent of lies about 2020. It did nothing wrong. What happened? They are afraid of him for 2024. A big supporter of President Trump is the greatest president of the modern era. His whole indictment thing is another scam, like the two impeachments, like the stormy day and all this nonsense, all the other stuff. We've reached a situation that seems to me with some of the Trump supporters I've spoken to who do believe that he's being unfairly targeted, that even if he was convicted of any of the things with which he's been charged, they would still think he was an innocent man who was the victim of a political witch hunt. I'm going to let you listen to something he posted on Truth Social. Obviously, we don't have Trump saying in his own words, so it has been voiced by one of our American scholars who is called Mike from Shrowsbury. This is what Trump had to say on Truth Social. Republicans in Congress should defund the DOJ and FBI until they come to their senses. The Democrats have totally weaponized law enforcement in our country and are viciously using this abuse of power to interfere with our already under siege elections. It doesn't sound much like Donald Trump, but that's our own America. How we have him voiced up. What he's saying there about defunding the FBI and undermining people's sense of trust in the organization, what consequences could that have? Well, it has consequences, very real consequences at doorways and in courtrooms around the country. The FBI has to be seen for what it is. That is a group of people who don't give a rip about politics that are in other in a polarized America. And when they make a promise at a doorway to protect a witness or they stand up and say, I found this in this CEO's sock drawer during a search warrant, people have to believe them or our public safety is undermined. And so this relentless lying, I get why Donald Trump does it. He's been doing it since the moment he realized that we could be a threat to him because we were fact people and law people and he's neither of those. So I get why he does it, but it does have an impact. And can the FBI really in all circumstances be completely apolitical? It's made up of human beings, all of whom have philosophical, religious, and political views. I hope they all do. And the key in the FBI is it's just not okay to bring it to work. The cardinal sin in the FBI is to be seen as a political person. And with 38,000 people, you're going to have exceptions to that. But the rule is is illustrated by the reactions to those exceptions. The action is taken against those who are in a provable way manifest politics at work. And the America people have wanted it that way since Watergate. But it makes the FBI a lonely place in America today. And yet the FBI may be the very people who have to take charge of former president, a presidential candidate who if convicted could very well be jailed. Will they be thinking about that already? What kind of plans will they have be having to put in place? Yeah, I'm sure that the Attorney General actually is responsible for the Federal Bureau of Prisons. And so I'm sure they're already trying to think about what they'll do because the case against Donald Trump is very, very strong. And it just got stronger with the most recent changes to the indictment. But it's possible that the Republican candidate for president a year and a half from now will be campaigning from a minimum security federal correction institution like the one in butner North Carolina. And if he wins presumably able to pardon himself and be released after his sworn the office inside a jail cell. That's possible. There's a really interesting legal twist there because our Supreme Court has said that a pardon requires a grant by a president and an acceptance by the person to be pardoned and acceptance is a legal admission of guilt. And so that's how Gerald Ford consoled himself when he pardoned Richard Nixon. He actually carried language from that Supreme Court decision in his wallet for his whole life. So how Donald Trump navigates that when legally pardoning himself as admitting he committed serious federal crimes, I don't know. One of the things I've heard a lot from voters recently and I spent a few days in Iowa and last week asking people whether or not the charges against Donald Trump made them less likely to vote for him. And the retort I got frequently was what about the charges against president Biden? And if you say well there aren't any charges against president Biden, they say oh well what about his son then what about Hunter Biden? So obviously the Trump team have done a great job of persuading people that there's some kind of equivalence that there are there are charges against Biden as well as Trump. But of course the truth is there is an issue with his son with Hunter Biden. And when he was in court in Wilmington, Delaware and we thought it would be a fairly straightforward plea deal. As I'm sure you followed that felt to bits. And that is now grist to the mill for Republicans to say he was getting some kind of sweetheart deal there. What did you make of that? That's our justice system working. Actually thought for those who were interested in seeing and those Republicans aren't interested in saying they're interested in finding things to justify where they already are. But for those who want to see that that's how it's supposed to work. An independent judge looks at the proceedings and says you know we don't have a meeting of the mind here. What the prosecution thinks is covered by this non-proscution promise is different from what the defendant thinks we can't accept the guilty plan that basis. So go back and work on it and then come back and talk to me. I was surprised that they hadn't done that work in advance. But that's how the criminal justice system works. That's the way it's supposed to work. That's the rule of law in America. And of course what Hunter Biden was in court for there was a couple of charges of not having paid his taxes and to do with his lying on an application for a gun license. There are other accusations out there which are leveled at him about how he was doing business when his father was vice president to Barack Obama. And when you were in charge of the FBI then too. Did any of that cross your desk at the time? Was he on your radar? Hunter Biden? No. Fascinating. Now we asked some of our Americanster listeners some questions they would like to ask you and I'll put a couple of them to you if that's all right. And so George Edt who contacted us on Discord. She asked Mr. Komi you've said the thought that Hillary Clinton would still win and the thought that the decision to reopen the investigation into her use of her private emails may have influenced the result of the election made you feel mildly nauseous and she's asking you if you feel guilt about that? I don't because I've thought about it a thousand times and given what I knew at the time. I think we made a decision in the right way and I honestly think it was still the right decision. If you really dive into it you would see how very very difficult the decision was but I still think we made the right decision. The whole idea still makes me as one of my daughters corrected me I have to say nauseated. I really wish we hadn't been involved but given that we were involved I don't think we could have done anything other than what we did. So you have been I mean very honest in your assessment of what Donald Trump and some of his rhetoric is doing to America but at the same time remarkably optimistic that the country and the constitution will survive this threat. Do you think the US is actually less stable now than it was before he was elected president? Yes in some ways no in other ways. Yes in the sense that he has deepened our polarization. He didn't start that fire but he founded and founded and founded and so our divides are deeper and angrier than they were before but I actually think he's stress tested America and America's performed very well. I mean again the rule of law. A torrent of lies came from Donald Trump's mouth and his enablers after the 2020 election and the American court system whether the judges were Republicans or Democrats or neither stood up to that and so the reason Donald Trump was 0 and 60 in his legal challenges because our courtrooms are places where you'll tell the truth or there will be severe consequences especially to lawyers which you're now seeing and so I think we showed a little notice part about the American one of the pillars of American democracy the rule of law stood up very well and Americans are seeing it now. Look our British friends all know us we are fascinating wonderful and oftentimes deeply confusing and troubling country. I know American history I know the American people and Lincoln was right there's always just enough virtue to save America we've always been a polarized divided messy country susceptible to demagogues but we're going to be okay. Donald Trump has an expand at his base of support and if the American people energize themselves participate and don't take the next election off we're going to be okay. And we have another novel in the pipeline. Yes the second novel the second in what I expect to be a trilogy focused on federal prosecutor Nora Carlton the next crime novel will be out next spring just finished it and it has Nora in a very different and fascinating world of a large hedge fund and I happen to have spent three years at the World's largest hedge fund before I was asked by President Obama to go back and be FBI director. You sign like you're enjoying it. I love it I didn't expect to but especially because Nora Carlton is inspired by my oldest daughter who's this federal prosecutor in Manhattan and was standing when I was writing the first
book in the same courtroom where I was prosecuting the mob when she was a little girl. I'm able to think about my four girls who really make up the character and it becomes a labor of love that way. So it's slightly nostalgic. It's slightly about my girls, my daughters, and it's about the way things really work inside these institutions. And it's fun for me to get lost in that and take people and show them. Well, if you should us anything, you should us how easy it is to almost get away with murder. I don't want to give anything away. I just realized I'm very much. I don't want to give to me by some of my girls after a concert. But writing thinking about them is my favorite part. I'm a swifty, though. I didn't put it on for you. It's funny. I put a sweater on over it to try and cover it better. But I was wearing it today. And my, we have a family group chat that's dedicated to Taylor Swift. And not everyone in the family is in it, but I'm in it with a number of my daughters and my spouse. And so I know her music. I love her music, but I did not. I've been to two of her concerts, but I didn't go to any of the era's tour concerts that my girls went to. Thank you very much. James Comi, thank you so much for joining America. I'm talking to us today. Great to be with you. I can't believe that he's a swifty. I was just googling frantically to see that any good Taylor Swift souls that can, can sort of summarise this episode. Yeah, you never know. I mean, with Trump's lucky mates, just be able to shake it all off and tell everybody to come down. He might be the man who comes out of this having survived the Great War. Because, you know, after all, he's got out of the woods before and never in our wildest dreams would we assume that he was definitely going to get convicted. But you have to remember karma will get you in the end. That's so good, Sarah. That was amazing. I just made that up. We've had lots of America'sters getting in touch with questions about all of this and what it means. One of them is from Pratik Desai who emailed us on America's at BBC.co.uk and Pratik asks, what real significance is there to the new raft of charges? Is this a new challenge for the former president or is it just a drop in the ocean to his existing legal woes? It's all getting very messy and it's hard for us to know what to take seriously in this permadrama. Well, there's a few different levels. I mean, in terms of the seriousness legally, very, this is, you know, deeply serious charges. They could land Donald Trump in prison. You know, this is something he and his lawyers cannot just shake off, no matter, you know, how bombastic their public statements are. In terms of the political significance, well, I think it really does matter, you know, that you have got a former president, maybe more importantly a presidential candidate in court being accused, not just of dishonesty, but of actually trying to subvert the democratic process. Now, as Pratik said, it is getting messy and it's hard to know who to take seriously in this permadrama because bizarrely the more charges are laid against Donald Trump, kind of the less serious it feels. Only last week, Sarah, you were in I wear for the Republican dinner and wear Trump to the stage. And there was a moment that feels a little bit, I don't know, possibly foreshadowing to what's happened now or maybe not. And tell me what happened. So there were 13 candidates giving speeches at this dinner. And as each one of them walked up to the stage, it was a burst of music to accompany them as they made their way to the lectern. And it was all the same song only in America by Brooks and Dunn. And different bits of lyrics, so lots of them walked on to add something about a welder's son and a banker's daughter. But it was a different clip that they used when Donald Trump was walking up to the stage. And then the funny backstage at that dinner had a mischief, a sense of humor that they were able to do that. And you slightly suspect that must be why they picked that song in the first place. Did he actually react to it? No, not at all. I'm not sure you noticed. Well, it went very viral afterwards. So you think he might have noticed now. On that note, we'd love to hear from you any questions you have, whether it's about this indictment or any of the other indictments or about what's happening next and what this means for the election and what impact it could have. Please do send us a WhatsApp on plus 444 3301239480. It can be a message or a voice note. You can email us at
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