Candis Cayne’s Resplendent Institute for Joint Health

oh welcome back to the bald and the beautiful now this today actually is the bald and the beautiful because we have candace kane in the studio today wow oh my god girl i have an intro tracy wrote an intro okay you know because you know katya isn't here and we whenever we have guests we just start talking and then when i go home in the car and listen to the pod i'm like we don't fucking tell people who people are the pod starts and i'm like oh how's the weather like we don't say this is you know yeah whoever so i'm gonna tell people who you are okay some of our fans are 11 years old okay that's true hello today's incredible co-host is an icon a trailblazing actress and a former miss continental the supermodel herself candace kane hello everyone it's so good to be here honey i'm so excited we got the good air conditioning on i know you look so you look so good beautiful oh my god you are so sweet stop it you always something about your face and the way you do your makeup and stuff you always look like a woman who's being flattered you always look like you're about to go like like like this do you see she always looks like don't make me sing you know that's that's careful curation throughout the years right and just like just who i am you know what i mean i'm a kind of i'm a light-hearted laugher yeah and you cried in the car on the way here i told you get it out do you drive i do you do i don't know well you used to be a new yorker i don't know if you've gone hard and fast against driving no i love i love my car i love to drive i actually don't like taking ubers if i can like get away from it i want to be in solitude i want to listen to my ms now i you know i want to like have my own space you like to listen to is ms now the news yeah i like the news but i don't listen to it in the car is it on the radio yeah it's on sirius you're trying to calm down in the car and you want to listen to the news yeah i like the news but i don't listen to it in the car is it on the current that's the only time i'm aggro i'm like light-hearted and happy until someone drives by and i'm like shut the fuck up what the fuck are you doing here you goddamn piece of shit are you a road rage diva a little bit i love have you ever been on the phone with somebody in the car and they're like so anyway i was just talking to bonnie what the fuck are you doing asshole so we're thinking having chicken salad for dinner and you're like whoa that person if you're a road rager you don't even notice when you're doing it no i do notice it and it's not that i mean for me it's bad because nobody thinks of me that way you know yeah i i i'm more passive aggressive i'm more hello if somebody does something weird i'm like hello you're doing that's me screaming yeah that's me getting really and usually i'm the person making the mistakes on the road okay you know what happens to me in los angeles i do something really illegal which is drive the speed limit people drive by me every day and give me the finger annoying they give me the i'm going 65 in the right lane people literally you don't go 65 you go at least 70 all right okay if you're in the right lane through west hollywood yeah no candace kane told me i could go 70 through west hollywood did you imagine police officer girl i did something i never get to do which is for my really accomplished famous friends like you i know you from the wild but then when i have you as a guest i have to become an important journalist right so i read your entire wikipedia oh my gosh which as you know is fact-based yeah and peer-reviewed and so i'm like i don't know and some of it is i knew these things about you but as i was preparing to have you today i was like damn we're only on an hour there's just so much to cover where do we begin the legs the hair the teeth the boob like what do we do oh my god um who knows that there's still dead night naming i think there is dead name oh it says candace it says candace the whole time it says candace okay that's relatively new because like for the for the longest time it gave my old name not that i'm really you know i'm not aggro personally about it because when you get to a certain age you don't care about that shit you know yeah i understand i can swear can i on this pod on this of course take your top off okay let's do it you know what also like when i read amanda's book doll parts um she she's super open about her you know name and i've learned not everybody's the same about that yeah i mean imdb was the hardest it was on there for years and um yeah i think you know it just took forever and they wouldn't even listen to you trying to say like listen that's not me my entire complete acting career in life has been candace yeah so um it was a little annoying but well how lucky is kelly kelly mantle i know like i mean she's blessed because that name i mean that's and there's not many people named kelly in general yeah it's like a tv name on tv everyone's name is kelly in real world who's kelly just that monster you know you you just did her pod right yeah it was so much fun we had such a trans blast i heard it's cackling down the hall a couple of witches yeah she um she's convinced that she has a good side do you know about this no i didn't know so she has bangs to hear and the microphone is here and she only sits this way i've never from this side she's freddy krueger like like horrible salvador dolly melting face and then this side she's melanie but i'm like kelly both sides of you are yeah but everybody has a good side i mean luckily the camera i happen to be on my good side oh is this this is my good side oh really yes i would have asked you to switch if we had oh my god because i'm telling you this if this is your bad side i think you're doing pretty good oh thank you thanks okay i have to this is not part of your imdb but i have to bring up something that i don't even know if you remember do you remember this gig we did together which one i don't know so we did a gig together it's my first time ever working with you we worked at a casino in the desert together uh-huh do you remember that i do remember that okay this is crazy it was let's just be honest very poorly attended it was there was i'm not kidding yeah 15 people yeah it was shocking actually the way they hyped it up the the cast that the headliners that they had it was me and you yeah and it was raja yeah i think it was tammy bunny lady bunny lady bunny lady bunny and we were all at harris casino and like outside like and outside san diego outside san diego yes and i was like wow lady bunny you i've never worked with these people really before and i was like this is gonna be a huge show we were outside i think i just remember being in one of those long big rooms and we were all getting ready and we kept on wondering like you know how many people are there and the bus was like two hours late or there was a supposedly a truckload of people that got their their bus broke down do you remember that oh i do remember that yeah and so we ended up performing for i'm not joking less than 15 people but you know what the best the best parts of those kind of nights are the sisterhood and we hadn't really hung out but like meeting you automatically you were just so sweet and generous and funny and and hot it's super hot yeah but you know it's like you you see somebody and you hope that they're nice and then like they live up to your expectations and you were like that like the first time i met mimi marks oh yeah it was like at continental and she was by the cigarette there used to be those the cigarette machine and the in the old the club there um i think the kids at home know about cigarettes but i don't know if they know about cigarette oh my god there was cigarette was it one of those where you pull you pull the thing what yeah it was like this thing it was like foosball the baton yeah it was a baton it was that baton do you remember that can you do baton can i do baton no but i'm good at faking anything okay because i'm looking for a baton instructor right now okay well how much okay but it's just heard you say you don't know and now you're like i am an instructor i am those who can't do teach so we were at this gig and i don't know if you remember this part of it so we're all standing there after our deeply unsuccessful gig and we had fun and this gentleman was very interesting to me and he was like i don't know if you remember this part of it so we're all sitting here do you remember this i don't remember this beautiful gorgeous older man was like wow candace candace you know candace and he goes you think candace might want to come up and have a drink with me after the show and i like i'm your you're booking your social life i'm standing there and or pam yeah yeah i'm in my 2015 trixie drag standing there being like i don't i don't i don't know and then i said oh i think she's going to bed because you had gone up early and he goes oh would you be available and i remember being like you just went from candace to me like you weren't worthy of candace if i was your second choice it was like you went from you know just keep the wig on kind of situation carmen electra to peppa pig like what are we doing and i remember being flattered but i i've never laid with a man um in that way at that time in drag okay and so i it wasn't for me yeah personally and also the way i look i was like you need to go do some you need better help you need to go get some therapy and you need to go get some therapy and you need to go get some therapeutic help because obviously your appeal and i think you were doing one of your numbers with your legs flying all over the place yeah probably i know it looks can't really do that anymore why because like something happens when you hit a certain age and your high kicks are medium to low kicks and you know you just it's like the back and the neck and all those years of slinging my hair around on stage like night after night jumping off stages kicks and turns now i'm just like how can i like get a long dress and use that as my high kick. You know what I mean? I like that. Yeah, that's what I do now. Because now you're kind of like, are you guys ready for the big finish? And then you're like, oh, it's a little, but you know, Kati used to do the cartwheel splits and flips. And then one day I think she just was like, oh, I need a hip replacement. And then she was like, I don't think I should be doing this anymore. And you know, as well as I do, these drag queens aren't exactly backstage stretching. No. They go from standing there to then they go throwing themselves on the ground. Well, I feel like the pageant girls stretch, don't you think? Yeah. I mean, I always stretched, but I was always really limber. But I definitely, before I went on, knew I was going to be like doing something. But I was also a dancer for years and years and took class three times a day. And like, I just was like, I was at that kind of dancer level. That's right. When I was like researching you today, one of the things that said that you're noted for is your electrifying dance performances, because it said you were a dancer for Soul Along before you were working in like nightclubs doing drag. And so that was kind of like your thing, I guess, is that people, you set people up too early to know that you're going to flip around. I know. Did you ever just think about walking around and taking the money like the rest of us? You know, I wish. And I've tried. And that's what gets me into trouble, because I just, I'm out there for like 30 seconds and I just got to go and, you know. Don't make me sing. Yeah. DJ, speed the track up about 10 points. And five, six, seven, eight. Well, listen. Listen, if you're going to stop doing high kicking, we could get you some more embarrassing moves. I could teach you some of my dancing. Oh, my gosh. Some, a little bit of like. Okay. Step touch. Yeah. Step touch. Well, I still, you know, I have my fan. I have my turns. I do that. I mean, I need to, I'm bad. I need to stretch more, get limber. But you don't want to hear about my hip is itch. It's the same kind of situation. Oh, is it? Yeah. That's the reason really why. Because I'm like. Well, Kati got her hip replaced at 40. Wow. She could not find a surgeon to do it. They were all like, it's too young. And she was like, we're on tour. And she was like, it's like, she was getting cortisol, cortisol, cortisol shots. I just started getting cortisol shots. Does it hurt? It helped her. Yeah. No. I mean, it overnight. Yeah. My back and my hip. Wow. Yeah. It was like, suddenly it hit. And like, I couldn't, like, I couldn't lay on my stomach. Like, it was really bad. Oh, my God. It hurt to lay down. It hurt to lay down. In certain situations. Like, I love to get a massage, but I couldn't because I couldn't get off the table. I was on. I mean, it was really bad. Like, my discs are like. But that's dancing for 30 years in heels and jumping off stages. I guess we should be happy that you're even upright at this point. Because also, well, you came up with all your dance experience, right? You did like, what styles of dance did you study? All. All. Yeah. So you go from all this professional training, both in Hawaii and Los Angeles, right? Yeah. And then New York City. Yeah. So then you go to the nightclubs in New York City in like the 90s. You're doing drag. These aren't exactly safe environments for. Yeah. They're not exact. Nobody's sweeping the floor before you go out there. No. Did you ever get hurt? I mean, there was a couple of times. I never fell until later on. But I did kind of go off the back of a stage and scrape my shin from the stage. Did you keep going? I kept going. Bleeding. And blood was coming down. And people were screaming. It was fabulous. You kicked the leg. You splattered the blood. I splattered the blood. Yeah. Happy Halloween, bitch. Can we ask about Hit It? Yes. You know that you invented Hit It. I did. Hit It! Drag queens everywhere say it like that. And we all say it because of you. Oh, my God. I love that so much. How did that travel across the drag world? Why did we all start doing it? I learned it from hearing you. Yeah. I mean, I was very excited. I was very vocal about it. I know Jackie B and Sherry Vine lay some sort of claim to it. But they, girl, they lay claim to everything. That Jackie B. Jackie. You go to Mount Rushmore, Jackie B, like, I remember carving the faces into this mountain. You know? But, yeah, I just started doing it in New York. And it just kind of became a thing where people, like, I'll be on the street and people will come up and, like, Hit It! It's like. If the people at home don't know about Hit It, what is the exact scenario that you scream Hit It at the DJ? Okay, so I will, I talk before every, during my one-woman show, I talk before every number. Right. So to let the DJ know that I'm politely ready to start performing, I'll yell Hit It. And that's where I came, I scream it, yeah. Hit, it's kind of from the back of the throat. It's like, Hit It! Hit It! Kind of back going forward. Hit It! It's kind of Cher or something. There's a little Cher in there, yeah. Hit It! I can't do it in front of you. I feel, I feel like Reba singing 9 to 5 in front of Dolly. It is a reliable way to let the DJ know, in fact, that it's time. Yeah. You were romantically involved with the DJ, right? Yeah. For a long time. For nine years. And did you ever say Hit It? In other contexts to the DJ? That's a totally inappropriate question, Trixie. Oh, God. Can you imagine me like. Yeah. Although now I'm afraid of you even laying down because you're going to be in pain. I'm going to be in pain. So what kind of sex are you having when you're in so much pain? I still can lay on my back. The only way she can get a massage is on her back with her legs up in the air. I don't know people. But no, I got the cortisone shot and I'm totally fine. I can get up and down and lay. You know, overnight it completely numbed me and it's been eight months now. Yeah, they last a while. Yeah. But they're not permanent. They're not permanent. And that's the kind of thing you can't really get surgery for. I don't want my spine fused together. Right. Do you have arthritis? I do. Do you? Yeah, that's why I was like, okay, you're old, girl. No, no, no, no, no. I have arthritis. This is a safe space. I do. I do. You do? I do. Where? That's where the hip. Oh, in the hip. In the hip. Okay. The one. And it's from where? And it's not even my kicking hip, which is the fucked up thing. Well, girl, what were you? It's from my placement hip. This hip. The weight-bearing hip. That makes sense, though. Katia's, I think she got it in the leg, her front leg for her split, I think is where she got it. Did you hear that? Crack. My, yeah, that was knee replacement. It's horrible. I sounded like opening a bag of chips. That was embarrassing. So, you used to be roommates with Sherry Vine. Yes. Living with Sherry Vine. Are you okay? I'm okay. No, Sherry is like the sweetest person on the planet, you know what I mean? What happened to her? She is on stage, so sweet. Yeah. And then her persona on stage, she's like this wild animal, very sexually present. Totally. With the audience. Yes. Poop songs. Only poop songs. Big dick songs and poop songs. Big dicks and poop songs. Yeah. Songs about big poops on dicks. Yeah. When did you know that, like, were you ever living with her and you were like, oh, she's singing in the shower and you put your ear up to the door and you're like, fecal material? Oh, my God. No, we met at, we met at the French Quarter restaurant. We were both waiters there. Oh. What year was this? You don't have to say. No, it was like 1990. This was before you transitioned? This was before I transitioned. Okay, so you were both living, couple of bachelors. Yeah. Who was, who was the more popular with the gentlemen? Um. Were you guys both having guys over? No, I was not having guys over. It's hard when you have a roommate. I was in a relationship and then I got out of it. I got the job and then I moved in with Sherry. Okay. It was like that first relationship where you come home and they're, you have crabs and you're like, why do I have crabs? Oh, my God. I must've sat on a toilet seat or whatever. It was one of those like young, not that I had, it was the only ones. I've gotten crabs. Have you? Yeah. And arthritis. This is a very safe place. Okay. I got crabs from, um, you know what? This is crazy. This is karma. I cheated on my first boyfriend with a bisexual and got crabs from the encounter. How old were you? 18. Yeah, exactly. It's a young person's like, I don't know why. Maybe like. Um, I don't know. I don't know why. I remember that the, the guy had the nerve to imply that I gave him crabs and I was like. Yeah. Same with me. From what? I know. I was like, I'm not, I'm not screwing around. I'm going to dance class and coming home. Like. You think you got crabs from the bar? Yeah. At the dance class. At the dance bar. I got crabs because I borrowed somebody's dance belt or something. Well, that could happen probably. When I plied really low. Yeah. They jumped up. They jumped up. Oh, no. Yeah. But no, Sherry was, she was so sweet and she had then started doing drag with Jackie B. Right. And so then I started, you know, I was dabbling because I just finished a production of La Caja Fall in Maui at the community theater. And it was like the, I got the bug to be wearing, but it wasn't so much the bug to like, like, you know, wear big drag. I was like. I loved a leotard and a tight and a heel and like i just felt myself you know what i mean you were doing lacage and you're like i think my outfit should be a low scrunchie a pair of a pair of like women's jeans what about that and they said put on the headdress yeah exactly lacage has all those really famous really fast makeup changes did you guys wear the masks have you seen those i haven't seen those some productions of lacage from far away they have the performers when they have to get their quick drag or whatever because it's not like they have two hours in that show to get in drag some of those people get in drag in the middle of the show i think right i don't remember i was not one of them i was chorus so you were in drag i was in drag from the beginning and then they did the thing where they they you know had the girls and the guys in drag come out and the audience would applaud at the one that the the boys oh very isn't that crazy i used to watch that because i was born in 89 so i used to watch that on daytime tv on like ricky lake born in 89 yes ricky lake jerry springer stuff like that uh-huh they would have like the i was on ricky lake all the time for this not for this oh for something else yeah what were you on for other you know you know lawsuits what a fun program that was yeah i love ricky she's great great i remember she at the time because i i was really young and i didn't even know you know before i knew gay or anything i was very interested in these programs where they would have almost on mori at least they would have these situations where they would have the audience guess whether or not somebody was a drag performer or like a biological female yeah and the audience would get very it's very prices right yeah yeah yeah no yes no yes they would get so into it that's a man yeah yeah they would get so like relax and then sometimes the highest compliment in the 90s on tv would be like i don't care if you're a man and a woman you're beautiful yeah which is very nice yeah in my head i was always lumped into the girls on stage right so that was like the hugest compliment on la caja full you know what i mean yes you're like good night dudes i know me and the women are leaving now bye guys bye gentlemen i think that type of programming obviously i mean you were the first person first trans person to have like a recurring role on a program well on a primetime show primetime show primetime you know television um dirty sexy money yeah i mean it was kind of a fluke i mean it wasn't a fluke but i i'm friends with patricia field who is this amazing store owner costume designer she did sex in the city and then the devil wears prada and you know um she was doing costumes for this and she called me up and she's like candace i gotta tell you i want you to audition for this i'm gonna tell the producers about you so i was like okay and then i didn't you know i didn't know what that kind of level was at the time you know i was just like okay i'll go and audition and i killed the audition they brought me back i auditioned for the the showrunner um writer and i got it and then even when i got it i was like oh my god yay money the character's like a romantic interest right or yeah to billy baldwin's character is like cheating or like um i was a mistress you're a mistress i'm a mistress i couldn't tell if that meant i haven't seen that program but i read about it today i couldn't tell if that meant hired i couldn't tell if that meant prostitute or if it meant cheating mistress i was like what does mistress mean basically the mistress was like his side piece okay he was married but the cool thing about the show was that they treated me like i was a serious person in his life and we were like really in love which hadn't really been seen either because there was all of these storylines about you know not telling and you know this kind of dirty secret but when we were alone in these scenes it was loving and caring and you know it was kind of amazing you know i was supposed to be on for two episodes but we tested so well that they just kept me on interesting i feel like that happens all the time where people are like oh i had like a two episode arc and then i'm on it for five seasons right that's like the ultimate compliment i mean yeah because i think at that time on tv too people really listened to viewers because that's what happened to spike on buffy oh really he was only supposed to be on like two episodes and then the women at home were so horny for him they were like you have to keep and then he was on the whole show yeah i never watched buffy why i don't know when did it come out 98 maybe 97 yeah i was like like high in new york city nightlife going to the clubs every night working every night like high in the rank or like hot like hi well no no i was like high and i was just like i was completely enveloped in the in the nightclub world in the 90s like right i think i only watched lost i've never seen that it's so god everybody tells me that yeah i'm afraid of getting truly sucked into a program like that though because i have no chill if i get hooked on a show like that you won't hear from me for weeks yeah i mean it's really good you should watch it and i just recently over the pandemic watched the gilmore girls which i never had what did you think of it i loved it it's on at planet fitness all the time oh that's not to work out to it's on a planet fitness all the time and so is charmed okay charmed is constantly on a planet have you ever watched it charmed no oh it was on tv the other day at my house it was on tv at a hotel recently it was my first time watching it but wasn't sam pancake on it yeah i think he's on it it's about mccarthy melissa mccarthy's on it she's like a baker in it yeah i watched it i was like that looks like a young melissa mccarthy i was like holy shit that is did you like that show no i did i loved it but also you know it's like i need something with seven seasons because i have no nothing to do over this pandemic so yeah oh i watched america's next top model from the beginning oh my god you did i'd never seen it okay it was awesome yeah and recently i've been watching toddlers and tiaras i wanted to ask you about this because you've done past years i've been watching toddlers and tiaras because you've done pageants yes so i really like pageants i like drag pageants i like i like miss america i like any type of pageant i love pageants too what do you love about them i love the competition who's prettier no um would you do it now no you wouldn't no i won miss continental that's all i needed to do what year did you win 2001 in chicago in chicago what's that theater right competed in 2000 and 2001 i got first runner up my first year and won the second year and then 9 11 happened nine days later or something and so that's your alibi yeah okay yeah i was in chicago doing miss continental yeah okay i was not here um it's such a unique time to win a pageant because chicago miss continental is giant yeah massive all the drag queens all the gay people in town go to that theater to watch miss continental yes i remember when it would happen because i was working in chicago and it would be like the bars would be empty because everyone was there doing that yeah you know is yeah so you're you're from i'm from milwaukee which is like an hour train ride north of chicago right so i used to work in chicago every weekend and that's when i would go to like did you ever work at kit kat i don't think so i would go see the girls at kit kat i would go see you know continental or like um i worked at like berlin hydrate the bars there yeah yeah because when i started drag in chicago they liked it was like the the emergence of all the drag queens with like the crazy makeup yeah or as bunny calls it the hieroglyphics on our noses she says we have hieroglyphics on our noses well i think i think it's amazing because for for such a long time drag became homogenized and it was just really kind of youtube video drag you know yeah um and so i think you started a whole like world of just being dragged the way you wanted to it was amazing and now everyone looks like a jack-o'-lantern hello thank god what do you think about the drag queens have you seen the drag queens who color their nose holes darker i i mean everybody has their thing i was hoping that's a pageant answer that is such a pageant answer right everybody media train media trains as if the drag queens with the darkened nostrils are going to come burn your house down or something i'm like back in the day girls would do celine dion not celine dion uh uh dion warwick dion warwick dark in the nostrils yes but some of those girls looked exactly like her it was amazing no lip thing the reba no lip thing yeah what are you gonna do you kind of have to do you have to do a whole pan stick did you ever do celebrities or no no i never did either i mean i did my essence of like me doing anne margaret but i never went to look like her i just give the i would give the essence you know i never did that either i remember like doing drag and like i remember doing drag and like somebody's doing madonna and you're watching them like black out their middle tooth and you're like girl it's a wednesday there's 20 people here and they're all people we know yeah it's okay well and also i i learned drag really in new york city right and so it was just kind of a blueprint of you know being yourself figuring out how you could do a one-woman show because there wasn't a cast of people it was you getting booked in these clubs in these bars you had an hour and you would have to do five or six numbers and talk in between and when I first started I would you know go in and I would struggle and I would know what to say and over the years you know you got really good at that you know you are really good on a microphone you're saying that that wasn't immediate you seem like you just it was not immediate wow I mean I guess because you're a dancer it's like if you're used to being in the ensembles and stuff right you're not but my fearlessness was never in question and I think that's why it was you know you over the years you learn up a repertoire you learn how to get out of situations I think a lot of times when you're doing live on stage a lot of it is storytelling and getting out of bad situations meaning the audience is bored or you need to do something to snap them back on your side you know you're right it's both you're totally right that it's both about the approach of these sections and knowing when to especially in those New York environments because depending on what night of the week I've been to people's shows like you know the Bob and Monet and the girls when they did their hour show yeah they're basically they have their numbers what they're going to do but they kind of have to go off the audience for like how this section could be two minutes or ten minutes it depends on what you guys respond to yeah exactly so you'd learn right away if the audience is with you or not and then you do more so if you were in New York in the 90s did you like witness basically the the birth of the club kids I got there after the club kids I think the birth after they birthed birthed I think it was late 80s yeah you started drag like I mentioned New York in 91 you started dragging 91 yeah you must have probably just started yeah interesting yeah and you were just like hot bitch but my first gig ever was for Michael Alec wow at limelight and I was like looking for work and I don't even know how we got introduced and he was like um do you have a clown outfit like yes yes no I was totally lying it's like the baton twirling and he's like okay I need you tomorrow night you got a gig you're gonna be working in the cage as a clown and I was like okay I don't know where I found it but I found a clown outfit and I was in that cage above the bar and I would I danced all night and in the cage go going in like as a clown and I'll never forget I saw Michael Alec and Richie Rich come to the bar and they were so bratty you know what I mean because they could be of course and and I they went to the bar Richie jumped over the bar and I was like oh my god I'm gonna be like oh my god I'm gonna be like oh my god I'm gonna be like oh my god I'm gonna be like oh my god I'm gonna be like oh my god I'm gonna be grabbed a ball of vodka threw it on the ground broke it grabbed another one and they stormed off it was like that was I mean it was kind of amazing you know it's horrible when you think about it but in the moment I bet it was so cunty it was so cunty it was so cunty just walk in smash something and leave yeah I I have met Richie Rich a couple times and he's so nice and I was very starstruck because I was a huge Heatherette person Heatherette was like my my awareness of even drag and I was like oh my god I'm gonna be like oh my god I'm gonna be like oh my god I'm gonna Heather like Heatherette is how I found Amanda and like all that and I just always that was that was a huge thing I don't think people understand like the um the Heatherette thing blowing up overnight and like all of a sudden celebrities calling and being like we want your clothes your t-shirts and it was like they're like we made that last night from duct tape right we don't have to that was the one beauty of that era yeah because you would just like we um Zaldi you know what I mean so we would thrift three days four days a week and we'd have our circle and we'd go figure it out and shop stuff up and that was our look you know for 15 20 bucks were you a naked person not were you like a body girl I was a body girl but not naked girl not like um fabric glued to the parts right like Sasha is like the perfect example of a girl of like a nakedie you're right there's body girls and then there's naked girls yeah because I worked with believe me Sasha can get oh she can wear a thumb tack which she probably has at some point uh hot glued not hot glued I used to work with this girl in Milwaukee she took scraps of fabric it's amazing spray adhesive yeah and I'd be like you really are just trusting that Michael spray adhesive girl yeah plus I danced way too much everything it had to be like new delusion and yeah to stretch to stretch and I didn't have the like they so the girls like wear those huge earrings they super glue them on I can't even imagine super gluing earrings to my ears you know like it was just plus I would rip them out if I you know did it 10 you know turns in a row and they like ah right um but I don't have my ears pierced and I've always been afraid of how do more drag queens not tear out their earrings I don't know oh a hoop to me is like that is how you rip off your lobe yeah well all my earrings were like that long because I had to measure if it hit my tooth that was how big my because I've cracked my tooth before by turning and dancing with that earring hitting my teeth so not literally cracked it but I like it was a crack and I was like you know like snapped out yeah so I had to I had to do that did you have friends and colleagues being like why don't you just sit down for a second let's just walk around the room and take money like why are you why are you hanging from the ceiling at boy bar I know but you know it's like with with sherry vine and lena and mistress for micah and aphrodite there's all these queens that had their niche what they did you know and that was my thing and that's how I became so popular because they knew that they could get that for me right do you know what my yes oh my god amazing she said oh my god amazing oh my god amazing you're a natural yeah boy bar that's like very have you seen all those videos that tom's fear has been posting the old footage the old footage of us what do you think of it oh my god i love it it's amazing because all of you are let's just say not exactly um not exactly caring that the cameras are there you're really being yourselves yes for sure people are drinking people are maybe it was so raw and it's very raw yeah have you ever seen the video of rupaul in the bodega i don't i don't know oh it's rupaul after she's like oh yes i have yes she's like i took the money and i let the men touch me isn't that terrible and then they follow she's in like a trench coat and goes and buys like a diet coke yeah and thank god some fag with a video camera which i keep thinking how did some young gay guy get an expensive camera i mean there was like three of them in new york there's like scott ewall and a couple other guys that like would just film everything that we did because there were no cameras right so nothing was filmed so that's why it's so fun to see all of these numbers at at the boy bar stage you know stuff that i'd forgotten do you look at yourself like i'm some hot i'm some hot shit i mean i was like look at that body the body the body oddy oddy and that was pre that was pre-transition wow yeah well i mean what else are we gonna do work at the post office if that's your body you better get to boy bar and take some fucking clothes off close off and start doing hormones i have to i have to say i was um i was watching too long food can we talk about too long food yes so i didn't even know first of all i didn't know you choreographed for it i was a assistant assistant choreographer but i didn't even know you were in it until i was watching with diana coney and she goes look that's candace because they show you in this little split moment yeah and you're in a different look kind of yeah well that was a whole busby berkeley number five to ten minute number that they had cameras overhead and we were doing circles like but they chopped that from the movie poor k i know that means the footage exists that it does they don't even have it as extra features and of course i'm like thank god i got my sag card and i made a lot more money than anybody else on the the you know any other the queens yeah because i was at rehearsal every day i was working with patrick swayze we were teaching them how to walk and dress and sashay and and you know it was such an amazing experience those performers really that trio of actors really did that shit in that movie yeah so incredible straight men doing that totally and just being so loving sensitive performances totally and listening to us when you'd be like oh try this or just just loving like how is that like wesley snipes in that movie how is that blade i know that's blade and he was such a kiki and so sweet and he was like when i say sensitive just like this was early 90s this is before he's so handsome people had to be sensitive yes you know you're right it was like we would have done the movie no matter what because it was like coin and it was a chance to do it and everything but he was like they were all really they wanted to know they wanted to learn they wanted to do it right and they were and their performances too besides obviously working with y'all the scenes like showing these real relationships real girl friendship yeah also i really like that they kind of show the hierarchy of young drag queens and old drag queens because that's real it is so real it is not fun to be a 21 year old drag queen when you can just feel the hate coming out like but then i think back and i was like yeah i hated me too like right i'm annoyed by a 21 year old 100 but when you're 21 you're like you bitches can't take me and i look back like you look like shit like i remember i was when you're a young drag queen i when drag queens would give me any sort of unsolicited feedback i if you would have asked me at 21 i would have said that they were reading me and being mean to me and whatever and now i look back and i was like no they were saying something like hey if you're gonna draw a brown line down your cheek have you thought about maybe also shading your forehead and it worked with your makeup techniques but when you're young you're like you guys just don't get me totally wisconsin where when i started was all pageant queens and i just kind of um pageant queens were definitely their own thing oh for sure how did you get into pageants i i lady kateria was a queen from new york she won continental twice once as plus lost a bunch of weight and then won for miss continental and i would she would come in and she'd look at me and go miss continental continental and i'd be like i don't know what you're talking about i'm a new york club girl like i do i'm a performance artist and then i i had this one queen said like as soon as they sort of transition he's like i will send you to mexico for free to get surgery if you do continental do continental and i was like oh really twist my arm i get to get what surgery and then and then i get to go perform and like i didn't have the mindset of having like a whole cast around me and you know dancers so i went my first year i did a solo number on stage i had like i was bedazzling heels in my bathroom you know i was more edgy i had a i had a gown made that was um reflective material in like that silver reflective material like it looked like that marilyn monroe you know gown the pink one you know yes and i walked out on stage and like every picture is just a flash all you see is this light again you know what i mean because it's so reflective because it's so reflective i mean it's probably not the best thing but it was like every picture you just look like a like tinfoil wrapped around a person totally um but it was like you had to be there it was a really pretty gown even though i look like i'm dead and glowing totally and i i got first runner up and i met all the girls and so then it turned into i want to be miss continental because of all of you all of the girls oh you liked the other artists i met mimi marks at that cigarette machine and she was like bitch what the fuck are you doing i live for you and she like looked like marilyn monroe but like had a mouth like a sailor and i was like oh we are going to be just best friends you know um and monica monroe and say zon and i mean they're just the the list the goddesses the goddesses you know and so i was like this is why i want to be miss continental not to win i mean i love the continental system and jim flint and and it just to be a part of something to to be a small part of a sisterhood in history really felt like it was what i wanted at the time and i'm so proud of that i'm proud of winning i'm proud of the friends that i've made that i still have um do you still go i you know i have to say i got so busy i went a couple of times after dirty sexy and then i i just i was doing i am kate and then i was doing magicians and you know like i just never had a chance but i i promised myself this next year that i'm gonna go back i'll go if you go really oh yeah okay we should go i would love to go i haven't it's been so long and i i think it's funny that you didn't know that you would be continental because to me you're like the continental girl because it's all about body and and it's all about beauty but you also have to be able to do something which is kind of your whole mo right you are a continental girl but it was i for sure i'm a continental girl but but in new we were so separated like in new york city from everybody else there wasn't pageants there was it was you know it was edge it was it was you know it was it was different it is different in chicago because you know i that's kind of my neck of the woods my whole experience in drag was a cast three numbers and look changes right like when i found out that in new york they go out and drag with no extra outfits i was like what and you go home and drag yeah like i would we bring we would do let's say three numbers in a show at berlin or whatever it would be go there get in drag at the bar there's a dressing room which no one does in new york yeah and then you would have to do three complete look changes i mean we'd be changing nails i'd be changing contact lenses oh my god that is so much psychotic who cares looking back it's like try hard bitch no one no one in the dark notices that your eyes went from green to blue that during the baton for the first time and having to do different looks because i would just come to work in my number work for an hour hang out have cocktails and then go home in the same look right it's just boring yeah and then in new york i feel like they're just thrown to the wolves it's like you got a full hour to fill i barely ever spoke on a microphone in my pre-drag what age did you create your character in my mind far in to your doing drag and doing these shows like the tricksy thing yeah maybe by the time i was 21 because i did rocky horror from like 17 to 21 so i was doing the midnight movie thing so i was the only drag queen i knew for the first four years wow so that's why i look insane because there wasn't any drag queens around me i used to look at pictures of lady bunny and amandelle poor and say i want to look like somewhere between those two and i ended up you know toddlers and tiaras or whatever i'm doing now so right but then i kind of once i started doing the barbie thing because i always loved girl toys and dolls i was like oh this really works and i have such a disgusting mouth that dressing like a little girl toy and then saying horrible things it was kind of like it made sense to me in like 90s 96 i almost got a tattoo in beige that said mattel on the back of my neck that is so fucking horny why didn't you i don't know why you put your hair up and like a like a like a brand yeah yeah uh viola tchotchke has a mattel tattoo oh no way she has the original mattel logo right here first time i met her it was on drag race and i saw her tattoo and i go mattel huh big fan she did not think that was funny which is so weird because she's incredibly sweet um are you still growing marijuana no it was just the one plant and what happened there was no seeds in the buds okay otherwise i didn't deserve to live because it couldn't proliferate yes but i like no i went i like i cut all the buds i went into my basement i hung them up to dry like i had a whole thing you know how to do all this yeah well i figured it out stoner no i'm a gardener i don't know how to do that but don't they dry it in the oven i dried upside down like yeah like like a like a spice or a you know like a spice like a rosemary you really time you really are trying to not make this sound like you're growing drugs in your house you're trying to act like you're the barefoot i did i did one and i loved it because i don't really smoke pot what would you do what were you gonna do with it well i have i love guys i love having dinner parties uh-huh if you ever come to out to dina i'd love to have you you will okay um and i like to have like pot or you know wine and stuff around for guests that want to enjoy it that's really sweet that's so above and beyond it's one thing as a non-weed smoker to get weed it's another to be like i grew this i grew this in the event that you guys would come over i do you like hosting i love hosting i get so scared that the guests aren't having a good time and my own inner monologue is like what if they hate this oh my god i'm a really good cook i i have a really good aesthetics and i have like i have one of my best friends andrew he's he's that queen if i'm like i need something he's like balloons in your pool yeah okay they're helium they're coming out you know he's that he's one of my best friends and he's amazing that way so i you know i think it all started for me with the cooking like i i gotta really get really good at cooking and so i can make a roast for 10 people and set the table and you know it's fun for me i love it i love it i do love to host as well i've never had a home that i can host in until now and i love it but um can i ask you a question how do you get people to leave because i've been it's been told that i'm a little too direct when it's the time when the party's over because i'll put on the flyer for the party the invite pool party one to four and people are like damn bitch like chase me out of your house i'm like but if i but i'm telling you the party is this time yeah i actually just go to bed okay that's what i do and people are like and then people leave and i trust that the last person will press the button to lock the door i mean i don't trust i say like usually i if i having big dinner parties they'll stay up to the end if i'm having like a big party there's always somebody that's flown in to stay with me and they're like my best friend janna davis she's always the last one to leave the party so you just go to bed so i just go to bed i do that too and i feel rude but i bet you make it looks a lot better when you do it i'm just like some bald guy shuffling up the stairs you're probably like oh beauty sleep calls me and you like flitter up you know you probably make it look really good that's the difference um we already talked about 9-11 thanks tracy you've been pretty much everywhere is there any place you haven't been that you want to go ah gosh um i haven't been everywhere i really have i've been to japan fierce and thailand how was amazing i mean i was so lucky i want to go to thailand i i went on my friend's yacht okay we're gonna take a break so thank you um and and so i was invited on a three-week trip on this beautiful yacht and so i saw a lot of thailand all the of on a deck okay it was i think we've all had a really fun time with candace and you know we're trying to create color here we're trying to create trials and tribulations that's not my life really it is the worst thing that happened to you was you whipped your head too fast and your earring hit you in the tooth that's the worst thing that's ever happened to you i will say i want to ask because if you have um you're producing now right you're part of a producing party yeah mary it's mary productions what do you think what like what if you had all the money in the world because one time i heard about you and i was like oh my god i'm gonna have to go to kansas and i'm gonna go to i heard margot robbie talking about i tanya and she said what you'll learn in hollywood is there's never enough money never enough time yeah i think that's kind of true but if you had unlimited time and money what would you want to make well we wrote a we wrote a uh script called chaser and that's the first thing i would do it's set in the 90s it's about trans culture and the men who love the man who loves them it's a love story rom-com but with whores and it's so funny and amazing so that's the first thing that i would do dan and i wrote uh avenue d stories about us living you know in in the east village on avenue d but another thing that we're we want to do and we're trying to raise money is is have other trans filmmakers make stuff under mary's mary productions so we can help our community out but we have to start we have to get you know some things underway although we did just partner with they are going to be in partnership with us for trans on film during a trans week of visibility um it's a trans film festival and so we're really excited about it we're about to announce it and um it's going to be at the lgbt center um at the theater there it's going to be incredible well if you ever need me to show up and drag and flip my hair and i can't do all this stuff with my legs you can do but if you ever need a a glowing endorsement from some girl i mean don't threaten me with a good time i'm gonna get that call hey hey girl we do have one special section at the end of the show okay so because katya is not here if you'd like to oh hi katya hi she's in the camera hi girl message of hope god i didn't even spook that camera i'm i'm losing my i know you thought that was i thought that was my camera there we have to everybody stop it do you have a you have a large amount of hair i do it's crazy when you when you get your haircut does that look crazy it looks medical oh it looks like you're going in for a little can i do like a oh now it's like a slouchy beanie okay yeah it's cute i have actually another one on here that i didn't get to tracy wrote all these questions okay can i ask you a real question yeah and i'll let you go okay um i'm not flattering you you are so beautiful when you when do people just stare at you everywhere all the time is it just like you walk in a room and everyone's like holy shit when i'm done up for sure that happens you know but most of my life is just you know makeup and you know in workout outfits or you know gardening or going to this grocery store or dealing drugs yeah dealing grunt growing drying growing drugs and dealing drugs but um people don't come up to me though i mean if i'm in in queer clubs or queer spaces they do all the time and it's amazing but like guys never come up to me interesting which is weird young trans people can i ask do they meet you and freak out they do do they just feel almost like an emotional openness probably right for sure i mean and and i and i love it and i sit there and listen to them because a lot of times it's like they need to get it out you know what i mean how many people and it doesn't even it's not even younger queens it's older queens too who are in their 70s that just started to transition who like have to tell me like what they've done a girl came up to me at this event two days ago and pulled out her cell phone and i was like oh my god i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sad card and said i got my sad card and i wanted to show you that because you were the first person i saw on television i know i'm a crier that shit would make me cry i can't like i'm crying i'm at this point in my life where i'm at this point in my life where anything too nice and sweet i'm crying i cry all the time like just a tear a well up i'm i well up a lot yeah that's just i mean some of these people probably are like i i saw you on tv and it like told me what it was like a it was like a bell rang and i knew what i was supposed to be doing i feel so honored that i was able to carry the torch for a number of years you know to like wield that like it it's a huge honor for me yeah damn you're candace kane you're candace kane you guys that was candace kane oh my god yay you guys make sure you follow candace can you let everybody know where they can find you yes uh candace kane uh the candace kane dot com i'm working on my website right now um and candace kane at insta and tiktok and all of the things and candace has a great episode on kelly's pod so check that out yeah check that out goodbye you