96. Candi Frazier

You're listening to Carnivore Conversations, a podcast exploring the benefits of keto, carnivore, intermittent feasting, and other lifestyle hacks. Each week we'll be interviewing a special guest from the keto carnivore community and so much more. This is your host, Board Certified, and practicing physician, Dr. Robert Kills. Well, I'm really excited to have a candy frazier here from a primal bod on our Carnivore Conversations podcast to talk about health and wellness. And I want to just thank you so much for being here, Candy. How are you doing today? I'm doing great. It is an honor to be here. I've been following you for quite some time, Dr. Kills. So this is like a dream come true to get to talk to you. Well, I appreciate that. And again, I always say we're all co-following each other and learning from each other. And that's the beauty of all this. Tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got into this health and wellness space and the primal bod. Yeah, so well, I mean, I've been a nutritionist now for nine years prior to that. I was a hairdresser. So working with clients for many years since I was about 18 years old working with clients. Yeah, just one on one. So I have absolutely perfected the consultation. You know, when you're a hairdresser, you know, shoulder length can be here or it can be here. So you have to really know how to get that out of someone. And so it really helped me in my nutrition practice to learn how to really talk and ask a lot of questions. Which kind of set me apart. But so I've been a nutritionist for about nine years. I'm originally from Washington state. I was born and raised there. I was born in Forks, Washington. So the twilight. If you're familiar with the twilight movies or the twilight series, that's where I'm from. My dad's a hunting and fishing guide out there in the Olympic Peninsula. And we I was raised on a ranch. He was a third generation rancher. So I got to be outside a lot when I was a kid. And when I say got I mean it was in a choice. It was a put outside to practice fly fishing in the driveway and doing archery and it was a great childhood. We had a wonderful childhood and my fascination with food and diet really started with my grandpa. He was a very unique man. He was in the CIA for about four years after his. He had a lot of food. He grew up on the farm. And so they ate the whole animal. You know, sound to tale. And there you'd go into my grandparents house and there'd be a huge pot of you know brain soup cooking on the. Big tongue bubbling up. You know, so. And then having my dad there with catching wild fresh cop salmon out of the river and you know we were eating fresh salmon row right. I mean literally the fish was alive 10 minutes before we were eating the row. So it was a very. Wow. Very awesome childhood, but so I always had a fascination with nutrition and then after my kids got older I decided to leave hairdressing and get into nutrition. I met a car practor. He was doing some interesting things interesting techniques and interesting things and he taught me quite a bit and we traveled around the country. I went through nutrition school. We traveled around the country and taught other natural health practitioners. So he taught technique. I taught nutrition. I became board certified so that the physicians attending the classes could get see you continuing education credits. So we did that for about four years and it was wonderful. We had a great time travel. This was right before COVID. And so that was where I met my husband Tom my my current day has been Tom and he was interested in natural health himself. He had been an investment banking and he was like I just got to get out of this. He decided to become a health coach was really interested in natural health being type one diabetic. He had health issues you know and he wanted to do things the right way. So he left his big business job and decided to open up his own natural health practice. And he was attending the seminars. We were teaching that and so I got to talk into him and started helping him kind of plan what he was doing. He had a has a great business mind. And so we were working together in this led to that and here we are today happily married with five kids together. So but he talked me into moving to Wisconsin in January of 2020. So I left my practice in Washington moved to Wisconsin. And I open up my practice and it was like whoa here I am. I know no one you know hadn't left Washington state. I mean I've left Washington state but I had never lived anywhere else. And I was here in Wisconsin and it was right during COVID and so it was really a hard time to open up a practice. And the little town that I practice in is called one key and it it's a very warm welcoming community. I don't know how much you've been to the Midwest but they are really like everybody's close. And they were just so welcoming they they came in and you know welcomed me in and then I started getting busy people started coming into see me and before I knew I was pack I was pretty pretty scheduled tight and I was working with all these people well. The majority of my clients have always been women you know they they always come in and they're kind of the health center of the family. I think women really are the directors that way. So they were coming in and you know I have this little intake form in my office and it says what are your top three health challenges you want to work on. And every woman it was weight loss they all want to weight loss. And I was at the time I was like I don't know anything about weight loss you know at the time in my practice I was doing an acupressure testing technique I was working with herbs and homeopathy. And then I was doing some supplements and then I was making advice on you know what kind of food they should be eating and the advice was always you know eat whole organic foods eat a moderate amount of carbs eat you know good healthy grass fed protein or wild caught fish you know and eat healthy fats and that was the advice because that's what I learned in nutrition school. So I would tell them just to eat that and I would you know test them in my practice you know I make suggestions on herbs and stuff in supplements and they'd be on their way and and people felt better they did they come back and they say oh this is gone now this is gone this is gone. And that's how I grew my practice was just word of mouth and people feeling better. But the weight loss thing was was just terrible because I I couldn't help anybody lose weight like I'm a nutritionist board certified and I didn't know what to do for weight loss I had been unsuccessful with weight loss my entire life like I had tried everything I had tried keto I was carnivore you know for several months I mean a year I think but I did the act and say it but I basically just ate meat and eggs and lots of fat and I felt great while I was doing it but I didn't lose the weight and I lose like six pounds you know that initial water rate and then it just plateau and did keto for a long time I was vegan for seven years all my almost killed myself on the vegan diet. It was terrible. So I tried everything counting calories I did a 23 day water fast one time detoxing heavy metals on it all the BS you know I had I had any supplement I wanted practitioner grade supplement I wanted it my fingertips okay so I could I could do any of it. I tried it all and nothing worked so I kind of gave up I was like me I'm just going to be the girl that's the herbalist and does home apathy and helps people to just make better choices because in the Midwest if you get someone eating whole foods rather than out of the quick trip gas station you're doing better right. I kind of where I was I'd thrown in the towel well at the time I'm a good cook and I was cooking for my my husband you know my newly new partner and he's type one diabetic and so I was cooking him all this food that I had always ate and you know since I was a nutritionist and his blood sugar was a disaster there was times where we would have to give him a glucagon shot to get his blood sugar up because he gave himself too much insulin or we'd have to get up in the middle of the night and I'd have to watch him on the the peloton bike cycle in his little. Hard out trying to get his blood sugar down because it was stock and so it was horrible I was I was scared I was like I'd worked with people with type two diabetes before but never type one and so I was just you know at a loss and I looked at him and I said honey I said we got to do something about this now he was diagnosed when he was 15 so he was really used to to the ups and downs of diabetes. And I said we got to do something about we got to stabilize your blood sugar this is horrible like you're worried about it constantly and and I'm worried about it and so I said what do you need to do. And he said well I do best when I eat just meat and vegetables and I said okay so I said that's what we're going to do and I knew I knew I knew sugar handling you know so. We started just meat and vegetables and so I started watching what his blood sugar was doing and paying really close attention and and how is insulin reacted in his body and I started watching you know the time of day and I started watching when he fat and protein and how much fatty it with the protein and how much he moved and all of that. I gave me a like a map almost like it like an idea of what was happening in his body and how the insulin was working and so I was like huh this is weird so I kept dialing it in and dialing it in until finally we got his. blood sugar stable. It was between 120. So you know, for type one, that's pretty good. Is he doing a continuous monitor also? Yes. Was he on an insulin pump? Yes. Okay. Correct. And did he just use the pump or did he add any added subcue insulin also? Nope. He doesn't do subcue. He can bolus himself. So he does add in insulin when he takes more than what is in his normal routine. Right. Takes more hydrate. That's in his normal routine. But the pumps great. And he was satisfied with just having the pump because prior to the pump, I mean, you know what it was like. It was always, you know, testing his blood sugar, giving himself insulin. So it was a nightmare. But now he kind of, he has it easy, he says, but I wanted to make it even easier. I wanted his A1C to be low. I wanted him to be pretty much non-diabetic. And I knew that was possible. And so I said, so I started playing around with the fat and protein ratios. And when he would eat in specific times of days and the vegetables that made his blood sugar grow up and didn't, and started watching. And finally, we got it stable. Took me about a month to put it all together. And as I'm learning this, Dr. Keltz, I'm like, my mind's kind of blown. I'm like, okay, I got to learn a little bit about insulin. Like, I need to know this better. This is my husband. He's my everything. And so I'm kind of studying more into insulin. And it was wonderful. I was so happy. We got him to that point. But the big shocker was when I stood on the scale. And I had lost 13 pounds in a month doing exactly what I was telling him to do to get his blood sugar stable. And so I sat back and I went, whoa, what is this? And I knew insulin was a fat story hormone. I knew that, but I didn't really know. And so I stepped back and I went, okay, this is, this is kind of cool. Like I, I feel really good. And I made some really big changes that were easy to make, but they weren't what everybody else was doing. And I was like, okay, I'm on to something here. So I go into my office frantically because I have hundreds of women I'm working with on other stuff. And I'm, and I'm booked solid in 20-minute intervals. So I'm like, okay, ladies, I'm like, yeah, I was busy. And I was like, okay, ladies, this is what we're going to do. And so I'm telling them in my office, I'm like, you got to eat this way, do this, do this, do this. And I'm telling them what I did. And they're coming back to me a month later in their down 20 pounds, 30 pounds. And I'm like, okay, I'm on to something here. And so I start researching. I start looking into things. And I'm, I dive in and I find, you know, some other doctors that I'm like, okay, and they're talking about insulin. And, you know, Ben Beckman and Jack Cruz and the light environment. And I'm like, really diving into it. You are found you. And I'm like, okay, there's something with this here. And I start diving in deeper. And it all kind of fell together. So my first group I started was called Sugar Free Warriors. It grew to 500 people overnight. And it was the original Primal Bod. And we just started with no sugar and cutting back on the carbs. And I kind of baby stepped it with them, but they all lost weight. They all felt great. And so I said, okay, this is, this is good. And I looked at my husband and I said, now I need to talk to every woman in the world. And, and he was like, okay, honey, we, we can do it. And so that's where we are today. We, we're still pretty new as far as, you know, I've been working with people for nine years. Like I said, but as far as the program, you know, we've been working on this for about almost four years now. And you saw us were pretty new on Instagram. That started my husband's like, we're just going to post a real a day. So he takes my content, me talking to my ladies and we put it up on Instagram trying to get the message out. But ultimately, you know, I had to learn about insulin before I could help myself. And then as a person that likes to help others, now I feel it my duty to share my message. So what is the secret in that message that's resonating different today with you than it was before? So the secret is for me is that meat breaks down to glucose. And I didn't really understand that prior. I, you know, I didn't understand it until I had a type one diabetic who ate a ribeye in his blood sugar went up to 350 after he ate the ribeye. And I went, huh, that's interesting. And then it stayed locked in, you know, because ribeye is pretty fatty. And so I went, that's really interesting. So I started watching how fatier meats will keep your blood sugar locked in longer, which means you produce more insulin, which means it's harder to break into ketosis. And so I started kind of playing around with the best times to eat that kind of meat and the best times to be in ketosis and the best times to fast. And what I've learned is that, you know, women especially, we are really into into our environment. We really sense everything and we are fat storing machines. We love to store fat because we got to grow the baby's brain, right? Are you familiar with that Stephen Cunain book? The survival of the fatist? Yes. Love it. I love it. So, you know, in there he talks about women hold their DHA and they're about in their thighs. Like we need that DHA to make that baby's brain. So even child-bearing women, but then you get the women that are going through that are through menopause. And, you know, their metabolic function is slower because their, their, you know, juices are drying up. As you know, I have to explain nothing to you. You probably would be better explaining it to me, but, you know, as they go through a menopause and they have more insulin resistance built up, you know, it's harder for them. They can do longer fasting. For women I found that are in their child-bearing years, we really like to hold onto our fat. It's really important to us because fat is the protection. It's our protective organ. It's the building block of baby. Yes. So, I find it interesting because we've kind of maligned adipose tissue and fat. But is it possibly that adipose tissue and fat is the most important organ system of our body and nothing else? I have a video in my program, Dr. Kiltz, that is labeled fat is the diamond of your body. It is the most precious material of your body. So, yeah, it, I have 100%. I mean, I know that deep in my core. So, what, what do you think was that little switch that helped those women that, that enabled them to lose that weight in such a quick amount of time where before it wasn't happening? Yeah. So, I think that, of course, anytime you lower your carbs and you're able to get into ketosis, that's always better for cellular health. So, they're able to burn fat now. They're fat burners. But ultimately, the times that they were eating. So, they weren't working with insulin. What I've learned is insulin is this circadian hormone. It is most sensitive in the morning. So, if you're, if you're loading up on food and you're making insulin work deep into the later day hours, then you're just going to have insulin in your system all the time. You're going to be less insulin sensitive and you're going to not be able to break into those fast-stores because insulin's gatekeeping the fat like it should, like it should. That's how it's designed to be. insulin is one of the most important hormones in our body and its job is to make fat. Yes. And if you can't make it, you don't eat it, you die. Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely. So, so tell us a little bit about maybe the timing of when they eat or what they eat when they eat. Tell us a little about what you found. So, what, you know, my promise in my program is that they can lose up to 20 pounds in six weeks. And, you know, that's just, that's just the, you can do that. Not everybody does that. Right, right. But the average amount can if you follow the steps in the program. And what I've learned is because my own metabolic damage that I created in my own body from years of yo-yo-dieting and calorie restriction and all of that, I've found that women really need to be cradled. They need to be, their bodies need to be nurtured. So, we spend the first two weeks in my program just doing that. Just, we're just going to eat in, you know, a nine to five eating schedule, nine to six eating schedule. You're going to eat three meals. They're going to be this. Many grams of protein for each meal. And that's it. That's all we do. We don't count calories. We just make sure we're getting a protein in. And we can put fat on as much as we want. And so, I nourish them through the first couple weeks. And then they get into week three, which is where they start getting into ketosis. So, that's what we call the burn phase. So, they start, they've made their switch, you know, their, their hypoglycemia resolves, you know, they have, their, their blood sugar sables out. So, they're not feeling, having those sugar cravings anymore. And so, then once they get there and they start getting into ketosis, that's when we incorporate a 24 hour fast. So, once a week in my program, we do a 24 hour fast where we eat a large breakfast and then we break. We don't eat for another 24 hours. And it's really just so that their bodies can clean up because, you know, that 24 hour point, they can reach cellular topology and they can have that cleanup process every week where they can, you know, they don't need to take supplements for that. Their body can do it on its own. So, we incorporate that. And then, you know, intermittent fasting, I don't really like that word. I like more of eating windows because you eat all day, you know, if you want to, you're awake during the day. So if you want to eat, you can eat. But the way the circadian hormones work, to my understanding is, is that we're better eating earlier hours and saving the later hours for rest and relax time instead of eating. So, you know, melatonin comes out at night when insulin goes away and it's same with leptin, you know, you're leptin sensitive in the evening, which tells me that nature designed us to not be hungry all through the night and snacking. And so my women try to get more on cycle with the clock of the sun because that's really where, you know, the super-cosmotic nucleus in your head is what you're clocking your brain that's controlling all these hormones that's in alignment with the sun, in alignment with nature. And so we get up and we eat, you know, shortly after sunrise when we feel good about it. And then the end of the program, we try to to be two mealodayers, you know, we, a breakfast, a good-sized breakfast, a good-sized litter, we call it, lunch to slash dinner. And then we're done for the day. Then we spend the day doing whatever we need to do, relaxing, enjoying our family, you know, getting caught up on housework, whatever it looks like. And man, I've never had any woman complain. Hundreds of women through my program now, probably into thousands now. And nobody's ever complained about it. Tell us a little bit about the specific things you recommend in their nutrition, food-wise. Where the vegetables come in, where the meat comes in, or any particular things that you recommend. So we use, so meat is really our fuel. And vegetables are just like a condiment. And that's really how I have them look at it. We follow a low oxalate diet. And I get them to, you know, eat with the season. So I tell them, in the winter time, I'm pretty much carnivore. I don't eat a lot of vegetables. Now I will have a salad on occasion. I do like some leafy greens, but typically I don't eat a ton of vegetables. I'll eat some onions, maybe some tomato ever once in a while, but I said, you know, like it's more of like a condiment, you know, just herbs. We use a lot of herbs for cooking. But meat is the thing. That is the thing they're constantly tracking and putting in place. And I'll tell you, almost all my women come in, and they have such huge protein deficiencies. They don't even know. And no, no medical doctor, whatever diagnosed them with that. But once you give them the right amount of protein, and they start building muscle and their hair starts growing and their nails start growing and their skin gets better. And they're like, wow, I was really deficient. The muscle tone is incredible that they get. And the same for me, like, I don't work out. I've got pretty good muscle tone. I mean, you know, you do too. I mean, under the concept primal bond, is it, is it the movement and the work out? Or is it the focus on better quality food and timing that you're recommending? Yeah. The food and the timing, the movement is like 5% of it. Movement should be for fun. That's how I look at it. Like, we should just have fun with our movement. And so, you know, the food is the biggest thing. So in my, in my, and I'll have Tom get you the slide, but in my discovery call, because I do discovery calls with women before they sign up, they can get on a call with me and hear what I have to say, hear my story. And they get on and I show them my before and after picture. So I have a before picture, and it was my after picture for 75 hard. So before I started on all this and I discovered what I discovered and learned what I learned about insulin, I tried to do the 75 hard challenge. It was like my last effort, you know, and 75 hard is, you're doing an hour and a half workout a day and you're eating whatever diet you want. You know, you drink a gallon of water and take a cold shower, five minute cold shower, whatever. So I did everything for 75 days. At the time, I was eating like, you know, sweet potatoes and quinoa and and like vegetables and then meat. I was just eating right what I was telling everybody else to eat. And after 75 days of working out for an hour and a half a day, so my first workout was P90X with Tony Horton. So I wasn't just like doing nothing. And then my second workout was just filling or walking up hills or yeah, I was doing I was working hard. And after that challenge, I lost no weight, I lost no inches. The only thing that changed was I was exhausted. I had no energy. I just had exhausted myself and I had gotten no muscle tone. I was still chubby. I still had cellulite. I had a roll of chub over my stomach that would not go away. I looked in the mirror. I looked no different from my before picture because you're supposed to take a before and after picture. And then my after picture in this slide, I show a picture of me into this into into the program three months three years into the program. And at the time, I had done nothing but walk. Maybe maybe three or four times a week for 30 minutes a day. That's all I had done. That's all I had time for because I was so busy in my practice. And I didn't have time to do anything. And I was 133 pounds in that after picture. And I maintained my weight for three months and still maintained it to this day. I just got an ischine accident tore my ACL and I didn't gain any weight. I was on the couch for a month. Didn't gain any weight. Not a pound. My body did not change. So the secret is our diet is the most important part of this whole picture of our health and wellness. Oh, 100% my opinion. And and exercise and exercises my fifth cause of inflammation and damage our bodies is that we overexercise. Yes. And we're willing. Really pretty much eating whatever we have around. We've been eating for years. And tell us a little bit of your thoughts on the standard American diet and what we're doing wrong. Oh, man, everything. I mean, I don't know what they're doing right. They're not doing anything right. I mean, it's really bad. And this is my thing I tell my women is, the reason I'm coming out here and doing all this because it's not easy as you know, this isn't easy work. It's fun because we're passionate about it, but it's a lot of work. And I do it because I want to get to the moms. I want to get to the moms. So they teach their kids how to eat because our kids are in a desperate place. We we need to do something now. And the standard American diet should be illegal. I mean, the the National Diabetics Association's diet recommendations will give you diabetes. I just I mean, it's in a bad place. My sister died, my sister Mary and died of diabetes. She had it since age four, died at 52 of heart failure. And the diet was pretty much plant-based low animal fat diet in three to six meals a day. And just kind of you could treat your your sugars with insulin. You'll be fine. And we know we know that that isn't true. So how do we help? And women to me are the most important part of this because they're they're nurturing that child in utero. And then they're breastfeeding that child. And then they're making the decisions how to feed their children and their husbands partners for for future health. So what are what are a couple of the tips that you can give our listeners that they can do something today to make those changes? Yeah, always choose meat first. No matter what situation you're in, eat meat because that that's our real food. I was I did a podcast the other day and they were asking me about what I had talked about with carnivores and being a carnivore. And I said, I mean, I guess you could consider I think all humans are carnivores. I believe we're all we are carnivores. And you know, they they were like, well, you know, we're really omnivores. And I said, yeah, but dogs are carnivores and dogs eat sweet potatoes and peas in their food all the time. So they can still eat them. Raccoons are carnivores, right? And they are bitch and everything else. So we're opportunistic carnivores. So we need to eat proper human food and meat is proper human food. When we get into emergencies, we can eat plant food and still survive. But you know, overeating plant food can be a really bad thing. It can make people sick. So meat kids, if they're hungry, you know, so many parents are feeding their kids like waffles for breakfast. That's like you guys, these kids need the fat and the protein. Otherwise, they're not going to be able to think all day. So I was I was looking up goitrogens, which these are substances that cause thyroid enlargement, diffuse or cystic or solid tumor development, whether the benign or cancerous. And broccoli, asparagus, kale, potatoes, sweet potatoes, cauliflower, brussel sprouts, and soy, just a few of the foods that that cause thyroid damage and largement, cysts, tumors, and cancers. What if all of those same substances actually caused damage to every single organ system of our body, and we're just kind of thinking that there's some things that are harmful for one organ, but not another? Can you give us your opinion on some of those foods that maybe are sneaky? Everywhere. There are. Those, the cruciferous family, like you just said, the nightshades, the lectins, you know, all that. There is, every plant has some sort of compound in it that is toxic to us. And you know, I believe that picking it during the right season and, you know, that all can be helpful, you know, letting the fruit vine ripe, you know, that can be helpful, but at the same time, if you were to go back before we had any kind of seed manipulation, what would you really have eaten, right? I mean, it would have been really hard to eat those plants foods back then. And if you think about it, go out and harvest wild grains, and then prepare them properly in order to be edible, a mortar and pestle. Well, yeah, and soaking them for days until they were fermented and pre-digested, that was survival food. Grains are survival food. That was what they ate when there was no meat because any natural human will go for the meat. I tell this to my girls too. I'm a survivor fan. I love the show survivor. It's gotten a little weird over the last few years, I will say, but I'm still in my fan, but survivor, they had one of their challenges where they got to win a reward. It was a reward challenge. And they had, you know, a group of three and a group of three. And the group of three that won the reward were young people. They were like 23 years old. And they were all skinny because it was like day 20 into the challenge, into the survivor. And they were hungry. You know, none of them knew how to fish, none of them knew how to get in the water and find food. And so they were starving. And they won the reward. And the reward was either chicken and vegetables, or they could have ice cream, cake, and cookies. And they all at the same time shouted out, "Chicken." That's what they wanted. They all wanted meat. And even there was even a vegan on the team that wanted meat. It was because she had went so long without food. She'd starved herself. So, yeah, I think that, you know, as humans, it is natural. I was vegan for seven years. And I can't tell you that I didn't wake up every day craving some sort of animal product because I did. And I just put it out of my head and said, "I'm not going to do it." What are your thoughts about plant-based meats and how did we get here? Oh my gosh. Dr. Kills, how did we get here in all the ways, right? Plant-based meats are incredibly toxic. Soy for one thing. No one should eat soy. Soy is very, very toxic, especially to men. I see these men hopping on the vegan board because their wives are doing it. And they're putting their kids on it. They're giving their little boys these-- in girls, these soy patties and fake meat and whatever else they're putting in it. And yeah, I mean, you know, I believe, you know, if we get into conspiracies, I believe the system is set up for us to fail because if we are well, then farmer doesn't make money. If we feel good, farmer doesn't make money. So, and I believe our best path to health is eating meat, plain and simple. I call it the big lie and if we say something big enough, you'll get enough people to believe it. I think Adolf Hitler was one of those very good at it and probably a lot of other politicians and dictators around the world. Yes. And some keys that they share a story and we take on hook, line and sinker. And my sense is that the brain wants you to eat meat so bad, you will eat fake meat, thinking you're getting what you need because that's what the body and the brain wants you to do is eat meat. So you've been convinced that fake meat contains the healthiest things. But if you look up goitrogens and you recognize that many of those substances that are the plants that cause goitrogenic changes in the thyroid likely cause all the same changes in every cell. The body and it's all made from plant products. There's no meat products in that at all. Yeah. I know. It's, I just, my heart breaks for these kids that have to eat that. But yeah, it is, it is, it's devastating. What's your thoughts on the effects of our environment or the food on the expression of our genetics and how does it affect the epigenetic output of our built in DNA? Yes. So we talk a lot about this in my program about the mitochondrial DNA and how we really want to keep the mitochondria happy and that, you know, the mitochondria's happiness depends on our own DNA. And that in the American Cancer Society says blatantly on their website that 90 to 95% of cancer is not, is environmental. It's not caused by your genes. And I love the study, the agaudimized study that Randy Jorolud did over in, where was the University of North Carolina, I believe, or you from my ear at that study? No. It was the largest epigenetic study ever done. It was done back in the 2000s. And it, it should be on the, it should have been in the news. But what they did with the agaudimize and giving the mice, species specific food and, you know, different types of nutrients to shut off that agaudigene that was making these agaudimize pronounce in, in ovarian cancer and diabetes and what they, what they, what they did was they get these blonde mice that have this agaudigene turned on and they'd give them the supplementation. And then through that supplementation, they would bear these babies that were little tiny brown mice that would have that agaudigene, but the gene wasn't turned on. So that agaudimize study, it's, it's a really good also potgier's cat. I love potgier's cat story because there's another really good epigenetic, you know, but what was it the fifth generation? They couldn't reproduce anymore of cats. So that one's really good. And then Bruce Lipton has some amazing stuff. I mean, he was kind of the father of epigenetics and founding, finding that, you know, the cell membrane communicates at an energetic level and, you know, we, we need the right codes. Well, all our food is coded to tell our DNA a message. And if we don't get those right codes and they don't get the right message. So then the genes get messed up and in the glyco biome, glyco calyx are the sugars on the cell wall or on molecules that circulate in our bloodstream that actually are the, the messengers of that story that turn on certain genes and off on others. And so the basically we're eating a high plant sugar diet, which means it's a, it's a foreign antigen or foreign sugars that manipulate our DNA. And my sense is, is that the mostly the plants, but other microbes do the same thing because they have other sugar components that turn things on and off for their benefit. Yes. Yeah. I heard you talking about that and I, I loved that. I watched a YouTube video where you were really diving into that and I thought, I need to go back and watch more and learn more about that because yeah, that is that I really whole hardly believe that. And I think that's where I mean Bruce Lipton and, and Pactress Katz is really a great story because these cats that are used to eating raw milk and raw meat were fed pasteurized milk and cooked meat. That's when the damage began to happen. So you know, that's something that if you're cooking your meat or certainly overcooking it, that may have an adverse effect on our expression of our, of our genes. And the same goes back to pasteurized milk. I mean, milk out of a breast for a baby is perfectly created and it's not pasteurized. Yeah. And, and, and, and maybe you can talk a little bit about your thoughts because I'm not a big fan of milk anyway. I do a little bit of cream or butter, but, but milk is, is that something we should be consuming as adults. So I believe that milk was a survival food. You know, I have this theory that we when we branch out and started migrating out, we were trying to get away from our in-laws. I just joke. I joke about that. But as we were migrating out, you know, we took the animals that we could bring with us. And, you know, to be able to milk that animal over a lengthy period of time, you would get much more food out of that. You know, if you kept the animal pregnant and milked it, you would have food for longer periods of time. So when you didn't, because if you butcher the animal right then, that's going to last you how long, right? If you're feeding your family and your neighbor's family or whatever. So I believe that milk was was just kind of a survival food. And, you know, humans naturally, I tell my, it's the same with like birds too. Like I really believe we should be eating large meat. So like birds, for example, if you're in the wild and you have a bow and arrow and you can make one shot and there's a deer in front of you and there's a chicken in front of you or a turkey, you know, whatever, a guinea hen. And you are promised to kill one of those animals with your one shot. Which one are you going after? You're going after the deer. So, you know, we do better on animals that graze on grass. We just, we just do. So the chicken is yes, you can still have chicken, you can still, you know, you can eat turkey. But, no, I think that you're exactly right. I'm with you on the dairy thing. Dairy makes girls fat, in my opinion. Like I've just seen too many women try to do dairy and they just end up gaining weight. So maybe you would know like the growth hormone factors around that. But I feel like the dairy influences their hormones. And maybe it's an insulin effect, but maybe it's, you know, a hormone effect too. Well, well, we are built to get fat and get fat fast. And historically, you likely didn't have access to as many calories as we currently have. But if you did in a short amount of time, you want to eat as much as you can to get as fat as you can, because the likelihood that you're going to have food for the next month, two or three might be very low to know. Yeah. And so the get fat gene is actually the reason we even exist today. So why always look at those people that are extra overweight or have an extra amount of fat. They are likely the reason we're alive as human beings and evolve the way we do because the get fat gene and insulin is just doing what insulin is supposed to do is make fat. And I believe that insulin resistance is liver damage. And the liver's job is to make fat and store fat made in the liver because you don't store fat that you eat in the liver. You store it in all of your other adipose sites, subcue, intramuscular, into a aciasso bone marrow is high fat. Yeah. So it's kind of very interesting. Tell us some of your non-nutritional general recommendations. And maybe you can give us an example of some of your patients that have just found these experiences with you are very positive. Yeah. So I mean, I have so many now, so many of the women there just they're going absolutely crazy about it because it's the first time in their lives they've ever felt in control of anything and understanding how their fuel tanks work and how their blood sugar works. And so you're a doctor. So you're at the highest level of supreme being in my opinion. And you're one of the good ones, which is very kind. But what I would say about that is what I do with my women is I take them from a really not good place and I take them to a better place across the rainbow, which is get the carbs out of your diet, get your blood sugar stable, let's get your insulin lowered and working in the way it should and your body burning fat. And we do that by giving them the protein that they need because like I said, most of them are protein deficient and protein is fat burning. It is. I have a lot of girls that I can't eat very much meat and we get them in the program and I'm like, you guys, you you got to build those enzymes up. You got to keep eating the meat, keep eating the meat. And so they do and eventually they absolutely love it. But ultimately they, my girls will lose 20 pounds in six weeks if they do what I tell them to do and they feel better. I had a gal in my program was she's still in she's in my membership now. But she came to me. She was a vegan for several years and her name's Allison and she had endometriosis. She had PCOS. She would blow up like she was seven months pregnant, Dr. Keltz for no reason randomly. She had lost her period for a year and she gets into my program and in six weeks she got her period back. And she, she lost, she's down 30 pounds. She feels amazing. She's getting her period regularly. She had posted on her Facebook a picture of her in her sports bra and her jeans and her tummy is just flat as a rail. So she's just thrilled. But I have stories that are, you know, 10X that I mean. My biggest loser was Amy. She lost 120 pounds in a year. And she's still going through. She's doing great. So yeah, I mean, they all lose weight. They all feel better. They sleep finally for the first time in a month. The sleep is really important. Sleep. Tell us a little bit about the importance of sleep and how what you're teaching improved sleep. Yeah. So, you know, people do their intermittent fasting and they're a lot of them want to not they want to skip breakfast. They want to eat later in the day into the night, you know, be done at eight o'clock at night eating or whatever. Like that's what they're, that's what's comfortable for them in their little 72 degree homes, you know. And so they come in to my program and everything gets turned around sideways on them and they're like, whoa. And they start losing weight. But the thing they're most thrilled about is they can sleep. And I tell him, well, your body's not digesting all night, right? Your blood sugar isn't a disaster all night long because you're you're allowing your body to process the food in the day during the daytime. So yeah, they they restore sleep is when you restore. They're dreaming for the first time ever in their lives. They come in my program and after a few weeks, they start dreaming and they're like, I'm dreaming and they get all weirded out about it. And I'm like, you should be and they're like, but I remember it. And I'm like, yeah, you should have been dreaming this whole time. So I primarily eat at night. And it sounds like what you're suggesting is the opposite. Yes. And I'm very intrigued. And so you wake up and you you get that meal. And and it sounds like you're doing an earlier meal also after lunch, not letting it go to dinner. Mm hmm. Is that right? Right. Correct. And and and tell us some of those benefits that people are getting out of that. So insulin is most sensitive in the morning. And so when you're when you're insulin sensitive is when you should eat that just makes sense to me. So we get them eating and then melatonin can come out when insulin is lower. And so if you have insulin high at night, then your melatonin is not going to come out like it should. So yeah, I think that if you start aligning. So I'm like, this is the kind of person I am. I put myself in other people's shoes. I've done that my whole life. And so I think I and I think this is what a lot of people should do. And you do this. I've seen you do that. You do this a lot because you think like, what would it have been like to live a thousand years ago? And you know, or what would have been to like 500 years ago? What would that have been like? And we kind of have an idea because we know it's history books. And so I think, well, if I'm living in the Greek islands, you know, and it's if 500 years ago, I'm thinking I probably have some birds around that are laying me some eggs. So I'm thinking my first thing is I'm going to go fuel me up with some eggs in the morning, right? That's like my first thing I think is the right thing to do. And then I would proceed to go out and find my animal for the day, whether it's fish or, you know, butchering a goat or go hunting, you know, deer or whatever it is. You know, fishing, collecting, you know, wasteers or whatever sardines. And then I would have my food. I'd be, you know, I used up my insulin, was sensitive. I got my food where it needed to go. And then I go eat my meal that I caught. I prepare my meal that I caught. And that usually I feel like I would be done with that by about three, three o'clock. And then I would rest and relax. Like that's my happy day. And I feel like that's what I would do if I was living 500 years ago, you know, in a situation like that. So now I know it can't be perfect. But we've always strived to find our happy place. And I think that's where we do best. And you're not suggesting to me. exercise a focus of this primal bod, which I agree we didn't likely exercise ever, but we did work, but the work wasn't carrying boulders up a hill. In finding food and doing that hunting and gathering, I suspect we weren't running very much either because we're really good at hunting in a pack. And developing the tools and weapons to maximize our work effort with the minimum amount of exhaustion. In carnivores in nature, don't run. They run a little bit to grab their prey and then they're done. And I feel like that's probably, no, we were preserving our energy. And some of the oldest people I have been around that have lived a really long time. They didn't work out. They moved. They moved a lot in their day, but they did not work out. And they were in pretty good health. The things they did were productive, but they weren't strenuous and they knew their limits. So if you were going to put kiltz on a primal bod plan, what would be your, three to five recommendations, knowing a little bit about me? Yeah, you and already. Are you drinking coffee still? I drink a little bit of coffee, but not very much anymore. Okay, good. That was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was the day without it. Great. That would be the first thing I would probably take away. Okay. Okay. All right. The, the second thing is I know you, you're, you, what are you at with your protein intake right now? You don't need a lot. Not, I know, right? Well, I, I eat steak pretty much every day about a fistful or two. Um, and I, that's kind of my, my, and it's usually at about five to six o'clock at night. Mm hmm. Yeah. So of course I would probably move your eating window up. I would have you, I'd have you be done at, at more like, you know, four, three to four men. I would have my men's program pretty soon and, um, hopefully by the end of March and men can eat later. They can. Um, women, I think women don't and I believe it has to do with caring for the children. I believe that in the later parts of the day, we were winding down. We were nursing our own babies. We were, you know, getting the kids rustled in, but the men were, we're helping with the preparation or whatever. And maybe we didn't exactly eat at the same times, but men somehow do a little bit better when they eat a little later. So I would, I would try to cut you off by four o'clock with food. And then I would say, um, I would, I don't know how you, if you do eggs or what you think about eggs. Love eggs. I would, I would put some eggs into your early morning breakfast, not early, but, you know, an hour after sunrise or something like that, um, just eat, you know, four or five eggs. That's what I do. So add, add breakfast. Mm-hmm. And eat a little earlier. Mm-hmm. Would, would breakfast be my larger meal or, or, was that different? It, either way, it doesn't matter. Like in my program, we, we have two largest. So at the end of it, you know, during the mid, when you're in your burn phase, you're doing like two mediums or three smalls or, you know, we're breaking the protein up or flexing the metabolism a little bit. Um, I think for you, yeah, it could be two largest for sure. What's the adverse effect of, of coffee tea for humans? Well, you know, it's the adenosine for me. I know it's an incesticide. It's, it's highly toxic to us. Uh, but the, the adenosine, the block in your body's ability to, to get that adenosine in, because you know, the adenosine comes from the ATP. That's, it's produced from the ATP. So it's your body's way of saying, okay, you produced a bunch of ATP. Now it's time to reboot your nervous system, time to take a little 15 minute cat nap or relax. Even if you don't fall asleep, just your body's telling you to rest because you got to build that, that mitochondria back up again. For those men and women that are consuming alcohol, what are your opinions, your recommendations? So, my girls, um, in the group, they, we tell them, you know, you can have a little bit of clear alcohol, vodka or like, you know, uh, tequila. Um, and so they do that on occasion, but most of them don't like to. And I, for me personally, alcohol, I don't feel good on alcohol. I went a whole year without drinking and I felt way better. Now I drink on occasion, maybe once every three months, we'll have cocktails, you know, celebrate or whatever, but, um, it's dirty energy. It's ethanol. It's dirty energy and it's just, it's very toxic and you can tell the next day, that's why you get a hangover. Um, so I just, I prefer not to do it, but it's life, you know. Yeah. And tell us a little bit about the psychology and, and how critical the conversation is in the mindset for this journey. Yeah. Um, so I have a, uh, Monday morning mindset coach named Mel in my group and she keeps everybody's mind in shack with everything. I don't have a lot of problems with that. I think most women in right now, especially people's minds are really fired up. They're really starting to think they're really going, hmm, is my doctor really there to help me? It is my health in my own hands. I feel like nobody has really does have my back right now. So they're starting to think for themselves. And like that's, that's the big takeaway is you have to be your own doctor first. You have to be the one to know what's happening. The process is in your body and understand so that when you do have a higher doctor, you know when they're both shitting you and when they aren't. And often in our Q and A sessions, people ask me, my doctor told me to go on these medications and then the question to me is, what should I do? Yes. Yes. And I give them the right to decide what they want to do because none of us as doctors has the answer anyway. We've likely been mistrained anyway. And so what I think is happening in this world, especially in social media, which I call the new social medicine, is we're learning ideas that are completely foreign to most of us in the medical field. Yes. Yeah, I love it, Dr. Hillitz. This is why I follow you because you are a thinker. And I think I mean, I know a lot of doctors out there. I have some in my program. I have, you know, they come in and they want to do the right thing. They really do. So it's just getting, it's just they got to stand up to the centralized model. They got to break away. Right. We're all responsible for our health and wellness individually. And the information is available for all of us. And you have to do the research. And you have to question all the studies. I don't take any scientific study. Even my stuff. Just don't don't believe me. But you have to do the only experimentation that is important, which is how are you, what are you going to change and then see how you feel? Yes. It is true we can live without plants altogether, but it is not true you can live without animal products altogether in my opinion. And so, so, you know, give it a shot. Do something opposite, hard. And I got to tell you, I'm very intrigued in what you're sharing. And I may go back to a little more breakfast. And an earlier dinner for sure, based on this. And I take it only as a reason to test something. I just turned 68. I've never felt better in my life. I feel amazing. I went carnivore at 55. Before that it was it was keto and paleo and adkins and you know, we're doing all these things to diet. But what you're talking about is actually putting us on the proper human nutritional path. Mm-hmm. Yeah. In my, in my program we call it the primal path actually. That's my model is you got to get on the primal path because it really is how our DNA expresses. Anything that I may not have asked that you think is important to share. No, I think you're great. I say like, you know, everything you're doing is amazing. We're on the same page with all of it. I am a big believer in carnivore. I think we are all carnivores. Yeah. And should be. And especially do something about it now for your kids. You know, your kids need it. They need it for their brains. They need it for their development. I always recommend the fatty meat because the fat suppresses inflammation in the bowels and the blood in your body when you eat it. When you eat plants and protein without fat, you actually are highly at risk for a lot of inflammatory diseases and you didn't need to be careful about it. If you read about protein poisoning, again, you have to get some fat and that's, I'm grateful to you for sharing how important that is. But I think it's very important to join a community like Primal Bod because this is how we're getting inspired and we're learning together because when women or in community in their learning together and then they're saying, "Hey, this is what happened to me." But I'm here because this is the best community I've ever seen in far greater than any medical groups that I've gone to the meetings personally. Although I highly respect all the doctors, the practitioners and everyone in healthcare. I think they're really out there to help people. But I think it's really important that we all together help each other. I'm learning from people like yourself by the way. We're here together because I was really, really inspired by what you're doing. How's Tom doing with this nutritional work? He's a type one diabetic. Maybe you could just mention that and maybe sometime we can get Tom on and we can talk about this together. He loved to share his story. Yeah. So he's doing great. I mean, he can do five push-ups and he's ripped. He doesn't work out. So we do walking for his blood sugar and keep the insulin sensitivity going. So we do walk. But I mean, just increasing his protein was really helpful for him. And then, yeah, he's doing fantastic. He's happy. Our hope is to get his A1C nice and low to where he hasn't even talked about as being a diabetic. Well, I have a theory that the actual insulin pump is not good for us. I believe that's probably the truth and not just a theory. Because basically, if I'm giving you insulin all the time, that means I must be feeding you sugar most of the time. And my bet is we typically didn't eat every day. We lightly ate but once a day or less. And so when you eat food, insulin goes up, it goes to the liver, it converts the amino acids and sugars to fat, to store them in the liver, and then in the periphery. You could survive the next one, three, five, ten days without any food. And so I think the primal way of living is something we need to learn more about. And maybe that's something we could talk about at another. No, I'd love to. I'd love to. I'd love to hear your take on blood sugar too and what that looks like. Because I know there's a lot of people that have different theories on where our blood sugar should fall. But. Well, the blood glucose is a glycosolating agent. It is not an energy agent. So most people don't understand that almost all of your proteins are post-translationally glycosolated and they line all cells of your body. And so a neurotransmitter is being glycosolated likely at the speed of light. So people wonder, well, why do my glucose go up or down? Why exercise helps your glucose go down? Because you're using glucose as a glycosolating agent for your proteins to make them properly functional because proteins are almost always glycosolated or methylated or phosphorylated in order to give it the proper shape, charge, pH to work. And so this is the one thing I think really no one's talking about in this arena is glycosolation. And hemoglobin A1C is a damaged hemoglobin particle from glycosolating. And that's our problem. Yeah. We're just not made. We're just not made. Yeah. Well, really a blessing. A blessing can be to have you on and talking about ways we can all improve our lives and our health and wellness. And tell us where people can find you, by the way. So you can find me on Instagram, of course, the PrimalBod. And it's at the PrimalBod. And then PrimalBod.com is my website. You can go there and check out what we're doing. We have a YouTube coming soon. It'll be under Candy Frazier for our YouTube. So yeah, that's all new stuff. Fun stuff coming up. And so thankful that you took the opportunity to talk to me today. Thanks for having me on. Was amazing. Made my whole week, my whole month. Well, we want to share more about it. Let me just read something here. Just a minute. Stay with me if you have another minute or two. And then just to make any changes. Well, again, it's really my pleasure today to be talking with Candy Frazier from Primal Bod, Candy makes connections between cellular biology, functional nutrition, and our ancestral DNA, and teaches men and women how to use, how to use, and women how to use that she knows to get their dream body. I'm going to read that one more time because this is important, all right? Each is men and women how to use something that's going to help them in a way that's going to build the dreams of what they want to live. Because I think that's the real trick of life is that we have a dream, but we don't know how to get there. Yes. Candy's a board certified in holistic nutrition and as decades of experience in working with clients, one-on-one, and in groups. So I'm really excited to have Candy on today, but there's more to come. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Thank you. It was awesome being here. Pleasure, pleasure, pleasure. I look forward to doing this again, and I'd be glad often also, by the way, to come on to your group and share any time. Oh, they would love that. A Q&A with your group. Let Jake know. I love that community. And look at I do this because I'm a passionate person like you. I'm a full-time fertility duck. That's my day job. This is my passion job. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's fun. I know. When I got out of my clinic, I was scared because I thought, oh, this is way different. And now that I'm doing it, I thought this is the only way now for me. But thank you so much. My pleasure. And if you're scared, I always say you're going in the right direction. Yeah, that's right. All right. Come list to your top. 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