Candace Owens v. Smoke Boy; After Action Report of Most Expensive Debate in History - Ep 161

well that was a disaster uh not for everyone not for everyone just for smoke boy i just had a hankering for a fresh jar of pickles here ah yes ladies and gentlemen a fresh jar of wickles pickles uh this is not sponsored i just for some reason had a deep desire to open a jar of pickles i don't know uh guys welcome in welcome in welcome in uh not everyone can open a jar of pickles i've learned that over the last couple of weeks and some of those people shouldn't be debating either i've also learned that over the last couple of days we will go through that in detail we're also going to establish a little bit of what reasonable doubt means because smoke boy quit the debate before it began uh we'll cover that the date was technically over before it actually started um and so i um i want to cover that i want to cover that uh and then i want to go not line by line we're not going to go line by line through a three-hour debate um if you'd like to see that level of analysis ian carroll did such a remarkable job holy mackerel what a what a what a talent he is um i know he's got a lot going on in his life and he's not able to broadcast as much as he used to but when he does it is something that always delivers so he did a great job of the kind of the line by lining we're not going to do that nearly as often uh today as we are just going to run through some of the analysis some of the bigger broader pictures some of my overall thoughts um my first thought is i could not be more proud of candace i couldn't be um i was was frankly overwhelmed for the first time in this case this is the first time i was overwhelmed uh i didn't know what to expect i had heard uh that smoke boy was a qualified debater that he was excellent at what he does i think if you heard my show before we signed off on thursday i said essentially the same thing that this guy's supposedly the best of the best when it comes to debating she certainly has her hands full but i had full confidence she would come out on top i had no idea it would be an utter disaster for smoke boy i had no idea he would quit i had no idea he would not even attempt to defend his claim i had no idea he would not even attempt to defend his claim and i had no idea he would come prepared for something other than a debate something akin to pre-deposition interview which i think is sort of the purpose um but i want to go through um i want to go through that i want to clear up something about the earpiece drama i have inside information about the earpiece drama we're going to get into that clear it up i want to talk about pbd i think pbd um uh deserves a few words uh if we're going to break this thing down if we're going to talk about what happened pbd deserves some commentary because um i was very skeptical of how he would do uh and then we'll get into some of the lines from the debate before we get well we're going to start with the opening and end with the closing obviously but we'll get into some of the stuff in the middle and then we'll look at some of the things that have happened outside of the debate what what indications do we have in independent of of of my opinion or your opinion or smoke boy's opinion or candace's opinion or any of the commentators opinions or the the uh commentariat on x or or youtube podcasts or x spaces or whatever what do we have any independent verification of who did better yes we do as a matter of fact we'll get to that as well uh and then where do we go from here will there be a follow-up debate what are you kidding well i hope the price goes up if there is so let's get into this i want to start before i get to the earpiece drama i want to start with a few words this is not a typical opening i'm not going to do my whole 20 minute long opening but i'm going to give a few words on what reasonable doubt is because what i've learned is nobody knows what the hell it is um lawyers do uh if you've ever faced a criminal trial you may or may not but most people don't but reasonable doubt is the cornerstone it is the american criminal justice system in a nutshell it requires the prosecution to prove guilt to a very high degree of certainty otherwise you can't convict someone this is this is a protection this protects you it protects me and it even protects yes the bad guys the bad guys and there are some bad guys who stand trial not everyone who stands trial is a bad guy not everyone's guilty but a lot are a whole lot are and it protects them as well and you should want them protected it by protecting them you're protecting yourself it's it's a protection of individual liberty and it protects against the power of the state think of how powerful the state is not just here in the united states but around the world and historically how powerful states have been how they've been able to just grab people off the street throw them in prison never try them or throw them in prison and try them on some sort of sham trial um we don't want that here in the united states and the supreme court has given us a way to avoid it it's the principle we've talked about this that it's far far worse to convict an innocent person than it is to allow a guilty person to go free there are theological roots to it there are constitutional roots to it but the phrase itself beyond a reasonable doubt it became ubiquitous in american criminal law and it it wasn't something that happened all at once this was a gradual evolution it came it was imported into the united states i don't know how much people know this but much of our law was imported from england with many of the early settlers we just sort of imported english common law but we also imported our christian theology at the same time and so medieval early modern christian doctrine held that jurors and judges could be bound by mortal sin and eternal damnation if they condemned an innocent person while harboring any doubt so this this sprung out of the church itself the theological teachings said that there was a safer way to try criminals if you had any certainty at all if you had a reasonable doubt that something happened you should refrain from acting well english jurors because they were facing blood punishment, absorbed this anxiety. By the late 18th century, as trials began maturing and personal knowledge of events started giving away to courtroom evidence, judges actually began putting together jury instructions that would tell the juries that these little speculative or imaginary doubts, that's not what we're talking about. We don't need those things to prevent convictions. If you go all the way back to the Boston Massacre trials of 1770, you can really start to see how in America this concept of reasonable doubt became embedded in our law. I mean, federal proceedings, state proceedings, it didn't matter. By the middle of the 19th century, Massachusetts Chief Justice Limwell Shaw wrote instructions on a case called the Webster case. It was really the first formulation out loud of it. And he said, reasonable doubt. If you link reasonable doubt to an abiding conviction, wait, what did he, abiding conviction to a moral certainty. Abiding conviction to a moral certainty. And that began the process of really standardizing the language because that standard then became spread across other jurisdictions as they said, hey, that's a good rule of thumb. We'll use those words. Well, then you ended up with this mandatory standard for conviction because this widespread common law practice began to sort of percolate through all, all courts. So the Supreme Court finally had to step in. And it wasn't really until 1970. It was a case called Winship. And that's where the court held that the due process clause of the 5th and 14th Amendment required proof beyond reasonable doubt of every fact necessary to constitute a crime charge. Justice Brennan emphasized this vital role in protecting the accused's liberty and reputation. He even extended the rule to, to the Supreme Court. And that's what the Supreme Court did. It was adopted by the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court has never really given us a firm definition. They just tell us we have to abide by it. That's what the Supreme Court does from time to time. But in Utah, there's really modern expression, practical expression of what it means. And so it is a safeguard, again, a safeguard for defendants, but a safeguard for all of us. And it is the probably most essential component to the integrity of the United States criminal justice system. So that is, I guess, your opening statement. But I hope that gives you a little guidance, and that's going to come up when we talk about this debate. Because Andrew Wilson agreed to debate a single point. Is the case against Tyler Robinson overwhelming? Now, overwhelming is not injurious. It's an Utah law. Overwhelming is not required. You don't have to be overwhelmed. You just have to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt. But that's the language they're using. The case is overwhelming. That's the language Smokeboy has used. That's the language TPSA insiders have used. That's the language influential people, influential people, influencers have used. That this case is, in fact, overwhelming. So what does overwhelming mean? Well, I'm going to get to that in a second. I want to clear up this earpiece drama first. Yes, Smokeboy was wearing an earpiece. So was Candace. So was Patrick Bet-David. And I would argue, so has every person who's ever entered her studio. I know when I was there, I wore the exact same earpiece. They clean it, obviously, I hope, before between people. But it's a way you communicate with the production booth. It's not a way that people are sneaking answers to people or anything like that. It's all on the same channel. And so if the production booth says, "Hey, we're going to a break in two minutes," you know I got to wrap up in two minutes, and then we got to go to a break. If the production booth comes in and says, "Hey, we're going to play a clip," that's how you're going to hear the clip. See, I have these in-ear monitors. That's how I hear clips. I don't have a producer talking to me, but I do have Daisy on the back end that talks to me. And I can hear her through these earpieces. They can hear Candace, Smokeboy, and PBD all could hear the production studio and the clips through those earpieces. So I don't, I want to give, I want to, I want to exonerate Smokeboy. Yeah. I want to exonerate Smokeboy on this. I don't think he was cheating through the earpiece, but I do think he was wearing an earpiece. I think it's obvious. I think everyone who's ever been in her studio has worn a same or similar earpiece, and it's just a way that you can hear the clips and hear the production studio. And because they're all coming out on the same channel, if Candace hears it, Smokeboy hears it. If Smokeboy hears it, Candace hears it. That's just the nature of the way her studio is wired. So I hope that clarifies everything. I know there was a lot of debate on Twitter that he was cheating or he was getting fed answers or she was getting fed answers. I'd put that to rest and say absolutely not. I don't think either of them, frankly, would reduce themselves to that sort of nonsense. But, you know, is what it is, is what it is. All right, let me go. The only way I know how to do this is to just play a little bit of this open because the debate really was over before it started. Debate was over before it started. I'll explain what I mean by that in just a second, but I got to just kind of play it in its total. I'm going to play it at a faster speed. Because I don't want to be here all night and I'm going to play several clips. And so bear with me. I'm going to do it at one and a quarter speed at first. If that still feels too slow, we'll bump it up to one and a half. But I want to play this. It's about a three-minute clip, but it's the opening. It's the opening. And I'll pause it a couple of times. I don't want to show that one. I don't want to show that one either. Here we go. This will give you an idea of what they agreed to debate. PBD outlines it. He is the moderator. And when you agree to a moderator, what the moderator says goes. And if the moderator says, here's what you have to prove, if you have a problem with it, that's the time to take it up. You don't just ignore it and change the nature of the debate. So let's go through this and hear what is it that PBD wanted to accomplish. Are we live? Okay, so we're officially live. Candice, Andrew, you know, good to sit down here with you, talking to you guys about the conversation that I think started with you being on Joe Rogan when you said, hey, I'm offering $300,000. And for the audience watching this, you have to know when you see this, final product, there's a lot of stuff that happens behind closed doors. There was still communication until midnight, even some of the stuff this morning. Like, it's like you're trying to sell a company. It's the last 24 hours that the deal doesn't work out. But kudos to the both of you guys that you made it work. I hope at some point we hear from Candice on what was taking place in the last 24 hours. This should not have been a difficult discussion. You agree, Smokeboy, to come in and say why the evidence is overwhelming. I will challenge that because I don't believe the evidence is overwhelming. If you want me to defend my claims, I'll be. I'll be happy to answer any questions you have. Pay me $300,000 that you promised you'd pay me and go away. Oh, you want to put a minimum time limit? That's fine. We'll put a minimum time limit. Go away. I don't understand what they could have possibly been doing in these last hours. I hope at some point we hear directly from Candice on what that was. The topic of discussion today, how this got prompted is, Andrew, you said there's overwhelming evidence that Tyler Robinson shot and killed Charlie Kirk. And Candice, your position was he's a patsy. Tyler Robinson. Tyler Robinson is a patsy. So, of course, we'll talk about a lot of different things, but that's kind of how the whole thing got started. He just outlined it. He just outlined it. You say it's overwhelming. You say he's a patsy. Those are the decisions. Those are the claims you guys have to defend. You say it's overwhelming evidence Tyler Robinson shot and killed Charlie Kirk. The way they agreed to do it is there was going to be an hour and a half that Smokeboy was going to present the case that Tyler Robinson shot and killed Charlie Kirk and the evidence was overwhelming. And then they would pivot. Then they would pivot. And when they pivoted, they would say that for the next hour and a half, Candice has to prove the case that Tyler Robinson's a patsy. So it's a two-part deal. So anybody that you see on X that's out there saying Candice didn't prove her case. Hey, it was a two-part deal. Candice didn't bring any receipts. She didn't have any evidence he's a patsy. It's a two-part deal. That means they're ignoring the fact that Smokeboy did not present evidence that the case was overwhelming. In fact, he's going to concede here very soon started for the audience watching. I think this is a truly for three different people. Number one is anybody out there that loves Charlie respects Charlie his legacy what he did. We have a lot of love and admiration for what he did. He changed the lives of many people young men young women. You work with them for many years. You guys were friends. You've said a lot of good things about Charlie respectful towards him. You guys may have disagreed on something. We got a lot of respect for him the second audience. So that first audience is key. Why are we still talking about this 11 months and so many days later coming up on one year? Because Charlie Kirk had a profound effect on American culture. Not just not just political culture but religious culture youth culture the the political dialogue debate Charlie Kirk wrote 16 best-selling books. He had a number one podcast in America. He would go on college campuses and take questions from anybody who signed up and stood in line and he would say if you disagree with me you go to the front of the line now granted there were a lot of things Charlie said I disagreed with a lot. He started coming around more to my position towards the end of his life that might be why he's no longer with us but he and I agreed on a lot also there were a lot of things he said that I did agree with and so that's why we're here and I don't want that to get lost Jimmy people been murdered since Charlie Kirk was murdered what 11 and a half months ago probably 10,000 or more we're not having 11 and a half months of investigation of them it's not that their lives were irrelevant it's not that their lives were irrelevant it's not that their lives were irrelevant. It's that this case has particular profound meaning because of the profound effect he had on people is the folks out there you that's watching this and so for you you've been wanting something like this to take take place and kudos for Andrew for coming out and saying hey I want to have this conversation and for Candace to accept it so you have the ability to say I agree I disagree comment to all the stuff that you're doing online and if you want to see more of these things any of the three channels subscribe to the Candace show the crucible I'm sure some of the people from crucible are watching as well in the PBD podcast the more you subscribe to this the more we're able to deliver these types of conversations to you always selling if there's one knock against PBD that both sides people that agree with him and disagree with him he's always selling everybody go subscribe to all this stuff make sure you buy the content that you see in the commercials come on come on throw some money that's okay PBD I'll allow it today I'll last but not least it's about the two of you my goal is to speak as little as possible 99% of time it'll be you guys speaking and the audience will be able to see it if I jump in just so everybody knows on the back end both have agreed in the back there's three people representing Andrew and three people representing Candace to do fact-checking so at any point if somebody makes a claim the other can say can we fact-check this I can jump in and say fact-check this even if folks in the back can say fact-check this so it is a very fair conversation that we're having here and so with that being said kudos to Michael Knowles your name was mentioned a lot you missed out right now the last 10 minutes we talked about you there's a lot of love and respect here mutually from both parties all three of them here and then of course the great Joe Rogan that started this conversation and he also volunteered but it ended up being this format that we have here today so with that being said Andrew your claim is overwhelming evidence that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk opening statements your claim is overwhelming evidence that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk go you would expect the first words out of his mouth to be yes PBD thank you now that I have the floor here is how I am going to demonstrate that there was overwhelming evidence that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk that's why we're here that's what started the whole thing. Everybody that goes on a podcast, everybody that goes to, you know, these online X spaces to debate, everybody who gets on X and argues with each other, everybody who argues at the water cooler at work, it's always about that. Oh, the evidence is overwhelming. DNA on the rifle, DNA on the screwdriver, DNA on the towel. His rifle was there. He was there. His car was in the parking garage. He's on camera. Overwhelming evidence. I expected to at least be whelmed. Let's hear how smoke boy takes the microphone. Put in comments. Sure. And what I mean by overwhelming is I just find it very convincing. Womp, womp, womp. What I mean by overwhelming PBD is I personally think he did it. That's what I mean by overwhelming. I'm convinced. I'm convinced. And because I'm convinced everyone else by. Osmosis who sees my smoke rising around my cheeks on my podcast or smells the Marlboro ashtray as I leave comments on X. Let me redefine overwhelming for you, PBD. It doesn't mean overwhelming. It just means I personally am sort of convinced. That's I think that's what most people mean when they say overwhelming evidence. That's not at all what most people mean when they say overwhelming evidence. So he's basically quit. Now, granted. He hasn't officially quit yet. He hasn't officially quit. He could still recover his opening statement. He could come in and recover his opening statement that for some reason he reads off his cell phone. I don't have a massive problem with him reading off his cell phone, but it's not very convincing. It's not very convincing. I mean, you could get chat GPT to draft up something for you to read off your cell phone. You could get Blake Sneff to draft up something for you to read off your cell phone. You could get Blake Sneff to draft up something for you to read off you to read off your cell phone. I would rather you say, guys, this is open and shut case. I mean, Officer Tater Tot wasn't reading off his cell phone when he said it was an open and shut case. And he held up a 30-06 round next to a microphone and said, it doesn't fit. It doesn't fit. It's overwhelming. It's convincing. It doesn't fit. Benny likes Johnson. He was not reading from his cell phone when he walked out of the courtroom and talked, about the overwhelming evidence. And he just listed off all the things that he saw that, at least to him, made the case that it was overwhelming. And then we got Smokeboy. Smokeboy walked into the biggest stage he's ever been on. We're at 4.2 million and counting have tuned into Candace Owens' podcast. I don't know how many have tuned into PBD's version. How many have tuned into Smokeboy's version? How many people, I mean, frankly, how many people? Ripped it off and played it on their own platform in live, in real time. It's a once-in-a-generation thing. Super Bowl wouldn't put up with that, but they didn't seem to take any measure to try to stop that. But I mean, we're looking at millions of people who've seen this. It'll probably be 10, maybe 20 million people by the time this runs its course over the next couple of weeks. And he sat there and looked down, reading the entire time. He didn't do anything at all. He didn't do anything at all to support his claim. I just want to play a little bit of his opening here. Just a little tiny bit. Just give you an idea where he's headed. So I have a brief opening statement. On September 10th, 2025, Charlie Kirk was murdered. Not in dispute. Waste of time. Many of you already know a lot about the events which occurred after Kirk's death. Don't need you to tell me what I know. Waste of time. You remember the ghoulish laughter, celebrations, and madness we saw from leftists all over? Irrelevant to the claim that the evidence is overwhelming. Don't need to hear it. From TikTok invasion. Debates, posts on social media, destruction of memorials, and things like this. Within weeks of Kirk's death, a cottage industry began to form, peddling various alternative theories on how he died. Irrelevant to the claim that it's overwhelming. What special interests may have killed him, what nations were involved, and was our own government one of them? That goes to whether Tyler Robinson was a patsy, and that is Candace's claim to defend. It's irrelevant to the claim that the evidence is overwhelming. Waste of time. Because this was the first time we saw him. Because this was the first nationwide traumatic event in Gen Z's lifetime. The demand for answers was severe and palpable. Overwhelming evidence is your claim, Andrew. I'm waiting with bated breath. The leading theory from the conspiracy verse is that Israel worked with the United States government to murder Charlie Kirk. Thank you, smoke boy, for wasting my time. Within a day or two of Kirk's death, Ian Carroll claimed that Israel killed Charlie Kirk. Again, the evidence is overwhelming. I mean, he took the shot. The shot he took impacted Charlie Kirk. That impact caused the death of Charlie Kirk, and Charlie Kirk is dead. Those are your elements to crime. Those are your elements to the crime. This is all irrelevant. Ian Carroll's 48 hour later tweet has nothing to do with whether Tyler Robinson killed it or whether the evidence is overwhelming. Waste of time. Thank you, smoke boy. And the conspiracy caught on like wildfire. This theory was built on one misleading piece of evidence that in his final days on around September 8th, Charlie sent a text message reading Jewish donors play into all the stereotypes. I cannot and will not be bullied like this, leaving me no choice but to leave the pro-Israel cause. Nothing to do with whether the evidence against Tyler Robinson is overwhelming. Smoke boy, you are crapping your pants live with PBD and Candace there to smell it. This was sent in the context of a platforming dispute regarding Tucker Carlson. Irrelevant why it was sent has nothing to do with whether or not Tyler Robinson planned and executed Charlie Kirk. From this scintilla of misleading information, it was speculated that Israel killed Charlie Kirk because he would have successfully opposed the Iranian war. Has nothing to do with whether Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk. Thank you for wasting now. What are we about a minute and a half of our time? Now that's a fun theory. Then who doesn't like a good fun conspiracy theory? I like them, but there is no evidence that Israel actually killed Charlie Kirk. Agreed. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I don't want to say agreed for the purpose of this argument. It doesn't matter. Israel doesn't have to have killed Charlie Kirk in order for the evidence to be overwhelming against Tyler Robinson. And Israel doesn't have to have killed Charlie Kirk in order for Tyler Robinson to be a patsy. So it's irrelevant to this discussion, at least the claim that you're supposed to be defending Mr. Smoke Boy. Have you completely abandoned your claim? Did you come in and admit defeat before the debate started? It's starting to sound like it. And if Candace has some, I'd like her to actually show it to me. I'm open to suggestions, but to date there hasn't been any. There is, however, tons of evidence that a leftist killed Charlie Kirk. Okay. A leftist. Kind of maybe meandering towards your claim that Tyler Robinson planned and executed Charlie Kirk? Charlie feared they would. I believe Charlie Kirk and I have the receipts. No, I didn't have a dream where he came to me and told me that the left killed him. No, he didn't come to me a dream and say, "Candace Owens betrayed him." That never happened. In fact, I don't need dreams of any kind because I hold my possession never before seeing messages from Charlie Kirk. Oh, are these never before messages going to see Tyler? Are they going to say, "Tyler Robinson planned and executed me"? Is that what we're going to see? Come on, smoke boy, show them to me. I'd like to see this text. security team on September 9th, 2025. I'm going to share the message with you today, which is the first time this information has ever been publicly revealed. On September 9th, Charlie's security team wrote to him, "Yes, law enforcement has been fully supportive and agreed to a security plan and posture. Tomorrow's event will be covered by both my team and the campus PD. If additional support is required, patrol units will be available. I have 11 on site." Okay, great. Remind them that they are there for one person's security only. Because I'm somewhat worried the left is trying to kill me. That was. I think that was supposed to be some sort of mic drop moment, but again, put it in the context of what he's trying to prove. He's trying to prove Tyler Robinson planned and executed Charlie Kirk. Even if you accept that this text is real, I don't. I frankly don't. But even if you accept this text is real, if you believe he's reading an actual text message, Charlie Kirk says, "There are literally tens of millions of people who could be considered on the left." Literally tens of millions. Maybe a hundred million or more people that you could say are on the left. It is difficult to imagine that Charlie Kirk was. that this in any way aids the investigation into Tyler Robinson. That Tyler Robinson planned and executed Charlie Kirk and the evidence is overwhelming. So while I don't believe that that's a real text, I think we have context clues that it is in fact not a real text. I think this is where he was calling Erica Kirk a retard and a liar. Because that's what she would have to be in order for this text to be real. We'll talk about that in a little bit. But I don't. I don't think it adds one even hair's width of support to the claim that he's trying to defend. A message sent September 9th. What does he have meant by that? Well, I think he meant exactly what he said. That he was worried the left was going to try to kill him. Now we'll discuss this more later on in the debate. And maybe I have more never-before-seen evidence that exposes just how wrong and, in my opinion, idiotic many of these conspiracy theories have been. I'll say this. He provided no additional never-before-seen evidence, despite saying he might. He also did not show the text, despite saying he would. And I think there's a reason he didn't show it. He doesn't have it. Because it's not real. But if you. Let's accept it's real. Let's accept it. that it's real for a second let's do a thought experiment let's assume this is a real text why have they sat on it for 11 and a half months why they sat on it for 11 and a half months knowing that there's a text floating around out there saying from harrison smith saying that i think israel will kill me if i if i turn my back on them israel will kill me if i turn my back on them so this would be a nice counter to that he wasn't actually worried about that at all that might have been in august but in september he was only worried about the left here's the text and the text from the very same day saying you've left me no choice but to leave the pro israel cause if this is a real text if this is a real thing i see my camera's it's like 200 degrees here i see the camera's hot and freezing just ignore it it'll go away i hope um but this is this is if this is a real text and we accept that it's real why have they sat on it this long well strategically what a disaster that would have been they've allowed all these conspiracy theories to exist when they've had this bulletproof evidence that it was the left no that doesn't make any sense why would they want to do that um it makes them out to be liars it makes erica kirk out to be a liar she said that there were no texts charlie absolutely did not send texts to anyone saying that he feared for his life on september 9th and she would know she has the text we'll show that clip in a little bit but they also could have just shut everyone up and said no this was his concern but they chose not to do that why well i don't know other than the fact that they have the worst public relations in the history of mankind that andrew colvette is the worst pr person that has ever lived i mean that's just my opinion but that's what happens when you rely on what's called the evidence of the gaps in other words they don't have evidence they seem to just make up evidence and what did they make up well in my opinion kind of whatever line the pockets and i think it's ghoulish to profit off of the death of a good man he crowdfunded money for himself he crowdfunded money for himself i think it's ghoulish to profit off the death of a good man he literally sent a give send go link and advertised it like 300 times on x and so if if anyone's ghoulish if you believe that makes you good you're the most ghoulish because you're the one who's identified the ghoulishness of it but we came here today to debate and so let's get we did come to debate we came to debate that the evidence was overwhelming you've said nothing about it except charlie may have sent a text the night before saying some leftist might come after him to it the debate topic today is one my belief that there's overwhelming evidence that tyler robinson killed charlie kirk and two candace's belief that there's overwhelming evidence that tyler robinson was a patsy and didn't kill charlie kirk in some the audience is going to decide who has more evidence supporting their theory my theory is that the state is correct that tyler robinson is the killer at least based on evidence so far in kansas's theory that tyler robinson is not the killer and he's a patsy set up by the feds to be clear this is not a question of reasonable doubt if it was reasonable doubt and that's all it was and that's all candace was proffering i wouldn't even be here having the debate with her it's fair to have doubts as a trial has yet to occur it's fair to have doubts he's telling us the evidence is overwhelming and then in this next breath he's like but if you want to have doubts that's fine that's fine it's fair to have doubts it's fair to have doubts and the state hasn't even begun to try to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt but candid so if the state hasn't begun and it's fair to have doubts meaning there's not enough evidence from which to conclude that the the evidence is overwhelming then why are we having a debate about it you guys remember when there were people in my comments saying you should debate andrew wilson i was like debate what there's nothing to debate yet there's nothing to debate all we've seen is a probable cause affidavit and and now we've seen the preliminary hearing evidence i mean all you can do is come in and read from it and all i can do is say i think it's bs so why are we debating that it's overwhelming you just admitted it's fair to have doubts and we don't know yet because the state hasn't shown us the evidence this makes a more forceful claim she claims that there's more evidence that tyler is not guilty of murder and was set up as a patsy than there is for the state's case and i just think that that's absurd and she will not be able to demonstrate that in any way in fact she has almost no real evidence at all of her theory whereas my theory is supported by compelling witness testimony physical evidence multiple confessions all of which are independently compelling but which are even more convincing as each piece of evidence corroborates the others you'll notice the term overwhelming was included in both theories this is because candace demanded i defend my use of that term which i think is fair in describing the evidence against tyler robinson she on the other hand only wanted to defend her theory as merely viable that is until i showed her clips in which she said she believed the evidence of her theory that tyler robinson's patsy was supported by overwhelming evidence only then did she agree to defend that position regardless we're both defending the claim there's overwhelming evidence on our side of the table and i think it's a good thing that we're both defending the claim so it's worth defining that term when i say the evidence against robinson's overwhelming all i'm saying is that i mean that as of right now i find it very convincing okay so that's that's a cool debate trick i guess take the take the claim and redefine it so that you can't possibly lose the evidence is overwhelming and by that i mean i'm convinced well how are we going to prove you're not convinced how could candace walk in and prove you're not convinced you the only way way would be to get you to a point where you're like oh you know what i'm not convinced as a matter of fact the more i think about it i'm not convinced at all in other words he set himself up so as long as he does not admit he's not convinced he can't lose and that's nonsense so i think pbd saw this and much credit to pbd i think he's one of the winners of today's of friday's debate he saw that dishonest debate tactic and he's not convinced he's not convinced he's not convinced he's not convinced and he called him on it and he said no i need a specific percentage from you what percentage likely are you i see almost no evidence at all only speculation unverified claims and suggestions of things that could merely be hypothetically possible dreams vibes feelings things like this almost done by the way i have no problem defending the state's case and welcome candace bringing up any challenges she would like but if i'm honest the reason i was willing to pay the three hundred thousand dollars for this for this debate was to finally have a chance for someone to demand candace be held accountable for the unbelievable theories and claims she's been making okay so right there's the answer it has nothing to do with the fact that she's not convinced she's not convinced nothing to do with the claim that the evidence is overwhelming nobody can defend that tp usa's debate coach can't defend that andrew wilson himself can't defend that nobody is able to defend that the evidence is overwhelming not not jack agent special agent double undercover pasobic not benny likes johnson not officer tater tot not andrew hebrew colvette not blake sneff nobody is able to defend that it's overwhelming that's it he's admitting that he's redefined i'm convinced that's what i mean by overwhelming it's at least convincing to me buddy that's not overwhelming overwhelming would be you can't resist it it's so overwhelming that it would just cover you any doubt you had just oh i mean it just crushes you under the weight of the overwhelmingness not that like well i'm convinced like i'm convinced we didn't go to the moon does that mean the evidence is overwhelming well probably not because a lot of people think we went uh i'm convinced the earth is wrong is the evidence overwhelming well i don't have a way to measure it i'm taking the word of scientists who will tell me it's round i'll be the first to admit that i can't go out and measure it i have no really tall ladder to climb up on and look and see if it is in fact round i've never been to space i've never been on the moon and looked back and said oh look it's kind of roundish i just i think it's pretty i'm convinced but i would never claim it's overwhelming overwhelming would mean like how could you doubt that like stuff is pulled to the earth that's overwhelming stuff is pulled here if i if i hold a a handful of quarters and i drop them they're going to fall to the earth the evidence is overwhelming that that will happen i can prove it i can repeat it and nobody can deny it that's overwhelming evidence you can't be overwhelmed if you come in here and you say well am i overwhelmed i mean i mean it makes sense to me well maybe you're an i'm starting to believe that as a matter of fact maybe maybe you're not as sharp as i gave you credit for last thursday when i said you were a formidable debater candace's investigation is indistinguishable from a leftist operation she couldn't be doing more damage to the right if she were that is totally irrelevant doing damage to the right has nothing to do with this case it is wholly unconvincing to for you to sit there and argue that we've got to unite behind tyler robinson did it because it will help you donald trump pick up republican seats in the midterms you want to talk about ghoulish that is ghoulish that is ghoulish we're here to decide whether a 23 year old young man will be put to death that's that's what's on the table that's what's at risk oh but a a four-term congressman outside of dallas might lose hope who cares who cares a man's gonna die a man is going to die i don't care if he loses i don't care no but ken paxton might lose in texas to talarico okay okay a man is gonna die i'm sorry it just takes priority a man is going to die if we're wrong on this it's completely irrelevant completely irrelevant to this debate the fact that you mentioned it means you're prioritizing it you're prioritizing it you're prioritizing it you're prioritizing it you're prioritizing it you have no business being in her house debating her she understands the gravity not to mention the fact that if people are killed and patsies are able to be framed, well, that's really bad for all of us, right? Because now you're not safe anywhere. You can get framed at a moment's notice. Anytime someone invites you to a college campus to go see a speaker, you're subject to going to prison for life or getting killed. That's a bad deal. That's much worse than the right being a little damaged politically. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That keeps me up at night. The right getting damaged does not keep me up at night. Crying. She uses her considerable platform to relentlessly attack one of the most influential conservative outreach organizations for young people. They're doing plenty of damage themselves. We don't need to have any responsibility thrown our way. A mockery of the online right-wing commentary class. She's harming Republicans in an election year by dividing them. She's attacking the very organization. This is just, I mean, he didn't write this. I don't think. If he did, he's not nearly as intelligent as I gave him credit for. You're there to debate whether the evidence against Tyler Robinson is overwhelming. You're there to debate whether or not the evidence that Tyler Robinson is a patsy is overwhelming. The fact that TPUSA might lose a little influence in college chapters. Oh, no. We certainly don't want that to happen. Oh, that would be tragic. Well, you called their leader a retard. Who's doing more damage? He spent his life building. And then didn't back off on it when you got called on it. You didn't say, well, you know, that upon further consideration, I've changed my mind on that. I think she's brilliant. Now you double down. You're like, yeah, she is retarded. So are all women. That's him. Not me, by the way. I would never say so. And she's attacking the people he loved, including his wife. And it cost me $300,000. But today, I hope that she finally answers for some of that. He just gave away the game of what it was he was there to do. Daisy, do we have a timestamp on his, the PBD's first question? Hold on. Let me, I think it's right here. So let's see how it goes. Okay. So Candace gives her opening. I'm not going to break it down. It doesn't need to be broken down. In fact, let me, let me just back up. I didn't give this thought. It wasn't on my notes, but I'm going to say it because I believe it. Candace is one of the most intelligent people I've ever encountered. Period. End of story, bar none. Her grasp of information is astonishing. It's astonishing. You will never be able to quote her out of context because she has a memory that is basically unparalleled. I've never encountered anything like it. I think it's probably not her memory alone, but her memory, charisma, presentation. But the memory helps. I've never encountered someone like this before. I knew it the first time I talked to her on the phone. I knew it the first time I sat down with her in person. And I've been fortunate enough to have spent quite a bit of time with her over the last year or last six months. I've been fortunate enough to have spent quite a bit of time with her over the last year or last six months. Six, eight months, however long. I have never encountered someone like her. And I've been around a lot of really smart people. I've never encountered anyone like her. And you saw a little bit of it on display. You saw flashes of this brilliance when he would try to pull her up out of context and she would look at it. Now, he's showing her a context from six months ago, five months ago. And she was like, oh yeah, I remember saying that, but here's the context in which I said it. Here's what I was talking about that day. And here's what I said immediately afterwards. Who the hell can do that? I mean, you guys tell me things I said in my own show, like the same show. You'll comment during the Q&A portion and you'll hearken back to something I said earlier in the show. And I'm like, I said that? When did I say that? Oh, I said that, oh, two hours ago. Okay, yeah, sure. Not her. No, no, no, no. And I mean this, like, you can almost see the wheels spin. You remember those card catalogs they had in libraries? And you'd walk in, I don't know if they have these today or not. I'm old, I'm old, 46 years old. I was in school. We pulled out a wooden drawer and that wooden drawer had a long card catalog and it had a bunch of books, titles, authors, whatever. And it had a Dewey Decimal system on there. I don't know how all that worked, but I know when I needed a book, I knew where to go look for it. And you would, like, go in order and you would find it, flip, flip, flip. Oh, here we go. Boom, got it. And then you would take your card catalog and you would know where to go in the library to find the book. That's how our brain works. I'm serious. I've sat in awe and watched it. I'll mention something just offhanded and you'll see her go, okay, so here's what that means. How do you know that? How do you know what it means? And then she'll give you, like, a nine-minute exposition on why it means that because it fits in all this other evidence she's collected that she holds right in front of her brain. This is not a show, and this is why I didn't put it in the notes. I didn't come on here to just fawn all over. But it is impressive. And even her deepest critics, Ben Shapiro, Jeremy Boring, and others who have worked with her closely, will say, I don't like her politics, I don't like her demeanor, but I've never worked with someone as impressive. Like, she's the real deal. She's an absolute A-plus when it comes to broadcasting talent and brilliance. I mean, it's just, it's undeniable. And so I think Smokeboy went in there thinking that he would be able to pull fast ones. I don't know who helped him prep, but they obviously didn't know her. And that they would be able to pull these fast ones on her, it didn't work. It didn't work at all. And she saw right through it. I was so proud. It was like, it was like, I don't have a little sister. My sister's older than I am, but it was like a little sister winning the state championship in swimming or something. I mean, just like you just well with pride. You see all that work come to the surface in one moment. And there's all this pressure. And they didn't buckle. And they rose to the occasion. And they did it with a smile. And they held their head high. It's what it felt like. Like, I was beaming with pride watching this. I was high-fiving in the air like, yes! I haven't felt that way. In a debate, since the 2016 debate, when Donald Trump told Hillary Clinton, "Because you'd be in jail," it was a raw moment. Mrs. Coleman and I were watching that live. I remember what house we were in at the time. And we both stood up and high-fived and were like, "Yeah!" I mean, it was a crazy moment. We'd never seen anything like it in presidential politics. It was a plain-spoken moment. It wasn't rehearsed. It was top of mind. He obviously believed it. But that's how I kept feeling over and over during this debate with Smokeboy. No more fawning, Candace. That's all you get. That's all you get. But let me go to the question. Because now we've seen that his entire opening statement was just him trying to redefine the nature of the debate in a way that he couldn't lose. He lost anyway. PBD saw right through it. Candace gives her opening. And PBD's like, "No, I'm not going to let you weasel out of this. You've got to give me a number. You're not going to do this. It's convincing to me business." Just out of curiosity, are you, between zero to a hundred, what is the likelihood that you think Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk and killed him? This is the way PBD's mind works. He's a numbers guy. He's a numbers guy. He sells, he buys and sells things. He markets. He does not want to do this. It's convincing to me business. And that's, if I say it's convincing to me, then I win. No, no, no friends. Give me a number. Scale of one to a hundred. Where are we? Here's the only thing I would have told Smokeboy if, if, if I had helped him prepare. And I've said this before, when you go into an oral argument or you go in to defend a position in front of a court, I always take, I don't have one in front of me, but I always take one of those legal pads and I write at the top, the position at which I cannot retreat or I will lose. Even if I look stupid, even if the judge threatens to hold me in contempt, even it, but, but if I can see this position, my guy loses and he paid me and he put his trust in me and I let him down, my position. Here would have been overwhelming evidence, 99% or higher, 98%, maybe. You can't concede beyond that. Or you've already lost. You you've what you're wasting your time. You wasted the money of whoever's donated to you or whoever helped you pay this $300,000 fee. You have to say this, he's asking you a question. What percentage would you put it at anything, anything lower than 98%, you've lost, you've lost. And so what does he say? What's his answer? Based on the evidence right now, um, I don't know. I'd say 75, 85%. That's the end of the debate. Good night. He just conceded defeat. The call of the debate was the evidence is overwhelming. He redefined that to, I am convinced I find it convincing. How convinced? Yeah. Three quarters. Maybe 85%. Now I am not a gambling man, but that's, those aren't great odds. Those aren't great odds. Um, would smoke boy right now? I doubt it. Agree to the penalty. That's going to be assigned to Tyler Robinson based on a roulette wheel. That's stacked up to 85% or 75% even let's call three quarters. Let's call it 80%. Four out of five. Let's say he said 75 to 85. Let's be fair. 80%. Four out of five. In other words, you're playing Russian roulette with a five round revolver and four of them are empty. Would you play that game? If the answer is no, that's not very convincing. Not very convincing at all. Uh, imagine I had five cards in my hand. I don't have an open deck of cards, but I've got about 200 closed decks of cards here. Imagine I had five cards in my hands. I'm not going to be able to get it open in time. time. I'm going to ruin the whole bit. But imagine I've got, imagine I've got five cards in my hand and in my hand, if you pull one of the five cards and it's the wrong card, you lose. You're going to die. Would you take those odds? Because that's what we're dealing with here. We have 80% chance that you're saying is, is convincing that the evidence is overwhelming and that he should be put to death on those odds. He should be put to death on four out of five. That's, that's your claim, smoke boy. I can open a jar of pickles. I cannot open a deck of cards quickly. I apologize. So let's just, let's just do this here. Let's, let's get a joker and let's just pull the aces. There's one ace. Here's another ace. Here is another ace. And here is your final ace right here. So I've got I've got four aces and a joker smoke boy life on the line. You pulled the wrong card. You're out. Pick a card, smoke boy. Which one you want? Is that overwhelming? I don't know. I can't show you guys. We'll all look this way together. Let's pull this one. Oh, you lose. I did not do that on purpose either. That was a total random draw. You lose smoke boy. Curtains for certain. That's, that's the game you're playing. 80%. This is the best they had guys. This is the best they got. They got a guy who walked in, admitted defeat the moment he started. I don't want to talk about overwhelming. I'm going to go with, I'm personally convinced. How convinced? Eh, four out of five. Put him to death. Fry him. You saw how that worked out. First try. I was, I thought I was going to do that two or three times. First try. First try. Way to go, smoke boy. Way to go. Well done. Well done. We're all, we're all proud of you, smoke boy. We're all proud of you. All right, let's go to a second clip here. Um, this is going to be just about 40 seconds, give or take. This is smoke boy making stuff up as he goes. Now the evidence is so overwhelming. Smoke boy just has to start just firing off at the hip and just making up. He had an opportunity to make up evidence. I mean, he had an opportunity to just go gather evidence. It's supposed to be overwhelming after all. Now he wants to talk about the bullet, the bullet itself. This is important because allegedly Charlie, Kirk was struck with a projectile that took his life. The nature of that projectile is important. Ladies and gentlemen, it matters. It matters. It matters because if, if it's impossible or if it can't be recreated, that that projectile stays inside Charlie Kirk's neck yet takes his life. Then we have a problem on our hands. Reproducibility is science. Science is reproducibility. So let's hear what smoke boy has to say about this compelling evidence about the bullet. There's some steel neck and it's a smaller caliber. You have to make it. You have to make it. You have to counter explanation. Why wouldn't a smaller caliber also go through bone? It could. I didn't say it can't. Right. Exactly. So. Okay. So what he's saying there is I am defending the position as a 30 out six. Well, let's say it was a two, two, three round or say it was a nine millimeter. Let's say it was a 17 caliber. Why couldn't those go through irrelevant? And that's, I think she did a great job. I don't care. It has nothing to do with your claim smoke boy. If that's the case, then ammunition is going to be the, the critical key here. And if that, thanks for, thanks for stating, stating the, the obvious that's 300,000 well spent smoke boy. Yeah. Ammunition's key here. I mean, it's key. You can tell I'm serious about it. Cause my brow is furrowed. We have frangible ammunition, which we do in this case. Uh, we don't have frangible ammunition in this case, actually, uh, none of the ammunition that was alleged to have been used is frangible. It's just not true. He's just not being accurate. That's okay. And I understand he might not understand. What he's talking about a flex tip round. Well, I'm sorry, not a flex tip, a soft point round from 150 grain Remington core lock. That's just a small jacket that goes around the actual lead piece. These did this thing could have split apart in air for all we know. This, this thing could have been a split apart in air for all we know. Do you, do you, do you have any evidence that that's ever happened? That a, that around like this has ever just split apart in air for all we know, this is a thing to you. This, this is your, this is your area of expertise. Smoke boy. You're supposedly the army sniper. You're supposedly the, the, the gun expert. You incorrectly identify that it's frangible round. You've said the shell around the lead is, is in fact thin and that for all we know, it's split apart in there. Um, I've been following this case closely. I've been following this case very closely. I've not heard a single gun expert suggest that the ammunition used to take down Charlie Kirk could have split apart in there, nor have I seen it demonstrated. I've never heard of it happening. I, in fact, you probably aren't going to find a lot of evidence that it doesn't happen because it's just, it's like, again, it's like if I drop quarters and they're going to fall down on the ground, right? I take this deck of card. It took me like three minutes to open. I drop it. It hits the ground. Probably not going to find a lot of evidence that if I drop it, it goes to the ceiling because it doesn't go to the ceiling. It doesn't go to the ceiling. That's not what happens with ammunition like this. It doesn't just break apart in midair for all we know, not his finest moment. Ladies and gentlemen, the smoke boy is scrambling. That's the moment when I heard him say that I thought, all right, it's over. It's just over. Just over. Uh, we do have a little fact check on this, but I'm going to let it play for another 10 seconds or so, but definitely upon impact. And we have the medical examiner who confirms this in a summary. And my team can bring that up the summarization, which means he would have to be a part of some kind of conspiracy as well. Okay. Okay. Um, you're talking about the medical examiner who's married to a furry that, that medical examiner that, that has now gotten out of town. And taking a promotion that he's now the director at another facility or another County that, that medical examiner you're talking about that, that he might, that he might've been in. Okay. Okay. Well, I'm not here to talk about the medical examiner. Uh, we do have a little bit of fact check though. Um, we have no evidence that anything he just said is true. We have evidence that what he said is not true actually. Uh, here is the summary ATF revealed the bullet that killed Mr. Kirk was a 30 caliber. class round. It created a complex entrance gunshot wound and fragmented in Mr. Kirk's neck. There's no evidence that the round that struck Kirk was the brand or type he described not the grain, not the, not the Remington, not the core lock, nothing, just a 30 caliber class round. That's all we have in the medical examiner's report or the, uh, ATF report. That's it. That's it. And so if you want to make up that it is frangible, certainly you're right. I guess you can make up that it's frangible. Did not mean to hit play. Uh, you can make up that it's frangible. That's fine. It was not. And there's no evidence, no discussion whatsoever that there's, um, that is frangible. Uh, we also have agent Falmina that testified that it was one 30 caliber class, deformed, damaged bullet jacket, fragment, and four lead fragments. Again, nothing about Remington, nothing about lock tip core soft point. Nothing. I just, none of that. None of that. Uh, we have Samantha Carner who testified that no further testing was able to be done to determine the specific round. So where he's getting this idea that he knows the brand, the grain, the type of the tip, the type of cover. We have no evidence on that. This is supposed to be the guy that's demanding that Candace has all the evidence. And this is kind of what happens here. This is the whole nature of this debate. Candace is not allowed to use any hearsay testimony, at all. He requires what he calls positive evidence. You have positive evidence that the Israelis killed him. Do you have positive evidence? The French foreign Legion was after you. Do you have positive evidence of that? He was at the steakhouse. Do you have positive evidence of the receipt, but all the evidence he used, he either made up like what we just saw, just made it up out of whole cloth, or he took the word of the people who were reading statements in court, just hearsay evidence. That's the definition of hearsay evidence. It's an out-of-court statement provided in court for the truth of the matter asserted. He's relying on that hearsay, but he's refusing to accept eyewitness testimony from her. We'll get to that in a minute. I want to go to her closing real quick. I'm going to go back to some of the other stuff. Let me fast forward to here. We're going to jump forward about an hour. I told you I'm not going to go through every line of this debate. I don't find value in going through every line of the debate. But I to go through this one because this is a good summary of why we don't believe the feds love it's a nice little summary candace provides of why we don't believe the feds love i just doubt the state's theory okay yeah i mean sure those are the things that i do doubt the state's theory i also am welcome to say what i think you know if you want to move into opinions if you want to talk about erica kirk if you want to talk about turning point usa like to talk about all and get into it i'm totally happy to do that but i just want to say that like i do not feel because i've said what's important to me is that we exhaust this topic first of our actual debate claims i do not feel that you sufficiently have argued that the evidence is overwhelming in fact not only has he not argued the evidence is overwhelming he didn't even try he conceded defeat before the debate began he said i'm not going to show that it's overwhelming i'm going to just say that i'm convinced i'm not even going to prove i'm convinced and then pbd was like well that's garbage give me a percent he's like i'm not going to show that it's overwhelming i'm going to just say that i'm convinced i'm not going to show that it's overwhelming he's like i don't know four out of five three out of four four to five something like that that's not very overwhelming he didn't even try he gave up on it because he wasn't there to prove that claim that's not why he paid her three hundred thousand dollars he paid her three hundred thousand dollars to get into the israel the france the erica kirk stuff the penguin steakhouse it was obvious what's been bothering them it's also interesting what they didn't talk about they didn't talk about the bald man driving the dodge challenger for example with three passengers they didn't talk about that there's a lot of stuff they didn't talk about they didn't talk about egyptian jets they didn't talk there's a lot they didn't talk about this question for you i am sorry you feel that way candace one question what what evidence do you need to see for you to say tyler robinson killed charlie kirk that's a great question um so i actually expected in this preliminary hearing actually the almost the inverse of what he was saying is true right so the this is now the time the state is putting on their evidence that's the purpose of this hearing right the state is using hearsay but they're also putting on their evidence so i was just expecting some sort of a slam dunk like we got him on camera taking the shot we at least we have them clear on camera you're telling me this guy drove 13 hours all around like we can definitely show you a picture that it's going to be beyond a reasonable doubt before we even get to the trial people are going to see and go oh crap like it was really tyler robinson um i'll be let me pause it here i i kind of half expected that now i'd looked at the evidence list and i did not see or the witness list i did not see tyler robinson's parents and it shocked me i'm i did a show on it um i was a little shocked that they didn't have tyler robinson's parents on the witness list but you're not convincing that would have been to me i mean i've sat here for 11 and a half months that i think tyler robinson didn't do this and i can't see how he would have but if you'd had his mom on the stand and his mom would have said he told me he did it told me he pulled the trigger killed charlie kirk that's why we helped turn him why we helped turn him in now he may have been lying to us i don't know but that's what he told me i mean i'd have had to walk away and go well guys it's been fun but i think we're barking up the wrong tree here i don't think we're right i we're gonna have to rethink this we're gonna have to look for a lot better evidence if we're gonna say he's a patsy because he told his mom he did it he told his daddy did it can you imagine dad getting up there what dad's gonna get up there and testify against his son yep that's what he told me told me he did it told me he killed charlie kirk that's why we arranged with the bishop and a former friend of our friend of our friend of our friend of ours who's a former sheriff deputy to get him turned in safely because we knew he was in grave danger having killed charlie kirk that would have been overwhelming that's what i'm talking about when i say overwhelming evidence not bigfoot crawling around on the roof we have clearer pictures of bigfoot than we do tyler robinson that's a problem for the fed slop narrative it's a real problem and so you want to convince us show us what you got now apparently tpsa is sitting on a mound of evidence that tyler robinson did it they're producing text messages that charlie kirk supposedly was terrified if some left is killing him in oram utah well it'd been good to put that out 11 months ago it could have helped cut down some of the noise you guys seem to be so concerned about the damage being done to the right seems to me you're in possession of the ability to stop that damage from being done instead we're in trust me bro trust me bro we know more than you do well share it share what you know you have a lot of camera footage you've not released tpsa that might be demonstrable it might be convincing it might be overwhelming do you have a camera footage that shows the impact before his shirt moves because every picture i've seen doesn't you were recording him on 4k or 8k from like four feet away it's a lot higher quality probably a higher frame rate probably a better exposure than some guy on an iphone 47 feet away from the ninth row there'd be a good time to show that i mean you can even blur it out if you want so we can see the red at least through the pixels i mean they played this game with the appointment ah you're just gonna have to trust us we'll show the daily mail huh huh why why is it every time you guys claim to be in possession of something that's just demonstrable that's just overwhelming you won't show it but you'll have andrew wilson pay three hundred thousand dollars to come in and interrogate candace owens on who her sources are that seems a little unbecoming if we're being honest and so i think what she's saying here is quite intelligent that yeah there are things that could show us this is pretty overwhelming you guys have failed to meet that burden you've genuinely failed to meet that burden now what does smoke boy say about it we've just talked for an hour and a half we've just talked for an hour and a half we're now exhausting the issue of whether the evidence about tyler robinson's overwhelming this is sort of their closing on that issue smoke boy's going to give a statement here on that issue before we move into france and israel and tanguage he's going to tell us what he thinks about it for the audience here without question for you is there anything that you could see for you to say yeah this guy was a of course i'm going to always follow evidence perfect so my my whole thing is just this it's it's really important to me i don't mind people being truth seekers and justices just searchers and the internet has helped solve tons of crimes there's no if answer buts about that right how what's the problem you don't mind she's asking questions and being a truth seeker and you acknowledge the internet's helped solve tons of crimes sounds like you're fine with her continuing to ask questions seek the truth and try to solve a crime however there's also people who you know they they not only don't solve crimes but they just come up with the truth and they come up with conjecture and they what's called flooding the zone you flood the zone with tons and tons of conspiracy-based ideas and they go nowhere right and in fact they actually take away from a legitimate investigation now i'm not even saying anybody here's purposely flooding the zone that's not even the claim all i'm saying is is that the claims made absent absent oh this is just me not being convinced by the state's evidence those become claims and claims have to be defended so he's fine with not being convinced that's a win i mean that's candace one smoke boy zero it's over good night you guys keep telling us the evidence is overwhelming you put your they're not bringing their best you put your best up and his answer is i don't care if you ask questions i'm fine with you asking questions you know just don't don't be too speculative you know this is don't be too speculative if you're some evidence okay got it thanks smoke boy for your permission to continue podcasting on this we appreciate that tp usa money well spent assuming you provided any material support whatsoever to smoke boy and i would argue that hiring him as a debate coach gave him resources sufficient to at least help make this happen uh the second half of the debate this is what most people were waiting on this is what smoke boy certainly was waiting on this is what all the other people were waiting on and he got absolutely dog walked every step of the way every step of the way um for example let me show you the one of the money lines from the debate that has turned into a quote factory reply i'm just asking you direct questions my i have full confidence that you do not feel that you represented your claim well and so now what you came prepared to do is to present yourself like a professor of fallacies i just want to know and to say you are not allowed to say that you can't you can say whatever you want well nobody's disputing that i'm asking like you are just i'm asking specifically when this is all said and done i've already explained to you i explained at the beginning of this why i think israel is is is ultimately going to be proven to have involvement in this um i just explained to you in the middle and now you're wanting me to structure the sentence or provide evidence you don't have to you're just allowed to think and i've explained to you my thought process i don't need to structure it in a sentence if you feel like a professor today you picked the wrong day don't you think that like tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people would want to know what candace owens positive evidence for why it is no that israel and france were involved in the most traumatic public assassination of gen z's lifetime is that's why they watch my podcast so you're just going to drip to them like here's why every time we come across any of these discussions they're watching this in context and they know why i'm saying it so for example when you're bringing up what candace where's your evidence for france doing this i I just told you someone who was high ranking in the French government, right? - Who's nameless. of course of course of course of course but so there's good reason to doubt a conspiracy though you don't have to name every source and i have a feeling that's part of what he was doing was trying to force her into naming sources because then those sources can go be retaliated against they can be taken out or they can be fired or they can be criminally charged that's why she's not going to give up her sources andrew but the fact that she then turned that threat into the federal government to the white house and to the department of national intelligence you know obviously you're not going to make a fake claim that's illegal so she didn't just make it up and if she did she should be charged with it and she obviously didn't they haven't charged her i then took it to the federal government like you can't just go out there making a claim to the federal government you get in trouble for making false statements and things of that nature so and then you go well i'm going to probe that well how can you probe that this happened i can ask you well this is my podcast i am sharing my life and my experiences and what has happened to me and you're basically coming in like you're gonna what regulate what i how i'm allowed to say if i'm not trying to regulate anything i'm asking you a bit like a professor trying to regulate and say candace you sound very defensive and like you just don't want to answer questions i i i did answer your question three times i literally didn't say it in the way that you wanted to just kind of obfuscate and you run away from it but i would like for you to actually focus on every clip that you guys have prepared because i it's pretty i i i think with full confidence people will recognize the strategy that you're trying to employ employ so let's get to the next clip you have prepared sure they can pull up whatever clips whatever it is that you guys have prepared but i would still i on this point i just want to make sure that you have full confidence that france and israel are involved in the assassination of charlie kirk i think and you have no evidence for it at all that you'll give us well the high i already did tell you where it came from like i said i can explain it to you i can't understand that i can explain it for you i can't understand it for you i can explain it to you i can't understand it for you i promise you that was probably not a rehearsed line but it was devastating it was absolutely devastating tell you that he was going to kill that france killed charlie kirk or just that you were in danger they said that the french foreign legion was involved on the ground that day i've already said that you just don't like hearing it no and this gets to the nature of everything smokeboy did if she gives a piece of evidence he will say well that's not evidence i want more evidence well i just gave you evidence he does this with the penguin smokehouse thing a lot he says oh she said well i talked to the owner we talked to one of the servers diligent denizen talked to another server i mean everybody sort of told us the same thing we got a copy of the receipt that they said tyler got what more do you want you know it's we we don't have the power of subpoena i can't go to the bank and make them give me the name of the person who did it that's for the government to do that's for his defense team to do all i can tell you is what they told me and because i believe them i believe he was there and his response over so you don't have any evidence well yeah i mean eyewitness testimony is in fact evidence it may not be proof it may not it may not satisfy you but that goes to weight not sufficiency it comes in as evidence if they if they subpoena those penguin steakhouse people to come to trial they will be able to testify what they saw they won't be able to test well maybe what what he said but they they will be able to testify what they saw and they'll be able to say i recognized his face i heard his voice sounded like him here's what he was wearing here's what he looked like here's what time he walked in here's what time he walked out here's a copy of the receipt we handed him all that comes in that's evidence that's evidence he was there and you might not like it maybe the jury sits back and says i'm not convinced okay it's fine but that's evidence eyewitness testimony is evidence just like eyewitness testimony is evidence just like eyewitness testimony is evidence just like if you had an eyewitness that said i saw him on the roof i'm assuming people would say well that's proof he was on the roof or that's evidence he was on the roof you wouldn't say so you don't have any evidence he was on the roof no i mean we have we have an eyewitness that saw him on the roof and said that looked like tyler robinson on the roof i know tyler robinson i know him well i've seen his face i've heard his voice i'm telling you the guy saw on that roof was tyler robinson i think if if we had that in this case everybody be like well that's pretty convincing that that was tyler robinson up there we don't have that obviously but that would be pretty convincing that that tyler robinson was on the roof you no one would walk away from that and say they had no evidence he's on the roof no they would walk away and say we have an eyewitness putting him there put him on the roof we're in in on the roof i'm assuming they're going to have an eyewitness putting him in the courtyard in the terms of whatever tpsa representative saw him that morning i'm sure that person is going to testify and that person is going to testify and that person is probably going to say yeah i recognize him after the after the big event i saw the pictures on the uh tv and i said man that's the guy who came up to me that morning and asked me is this where tyler robinson is going to be today i mean is this where charlie kirk's going to be today same guy that's an eyewitness testimony now the jury might look at that and say i don't trust that person she doesn't look very trustworthy to me maybe maybe but that goes to weight not sufficiency it's sufficient to come in it's up to the jury to weigh evidence it's up to the jury to determine whether the servers and the owner are credible people whether the receipt matches whether they're satisfied that the receipt matches whether they're satisfied that that was tyler robinson and penguins that's not no evidence but he kept saying that over and over so you have no evidence he was a penguin so you have no evidence he was a penguin it's a little bit of a tell that they think that's a real issue that's a real issue in fact he said i want you to take that off your timeline you should take that off your timeline my timeline that i invented for my podcast audience and my own investigation yes you should take it off your timeline why because you have no evidence why have eyewitnesses i have a receipt yeah you the receipts blurred out i will go on the record right now and tell you i have shown her the original receipt not blurred she has seen it i know for a fact she's seen it i remember where i was when i showed it to her i remember where we were sitting when i showed it to her i pulled up my phone i showed her the receipt she has the receipt unredacted or she has seen the receipt unredacted so that's a stupid argument he's making but the receipt was printed up with the owner's permission and given to diligent denizen as evidence that he was there because i don't know what to tell you i don't know what to tell you about that that is reality that's just what happened that's just what happened i don't know what to tell you i don't know what to tell you about that that is reality that's just what happened that's just what happened that's just what happened that's just what happened all right let's get to pbd all right let's get to pbd all right let's get to pbd aura mogging smoke boy there's a little aura mogging smoke boy there's a little aura mogging smoke boy there's a little aura mogging taking place here aura mogging taking place here aura mogging taking place here uh in just a moment to uh to our friend uh in just a moment to uh to our friend uh in just a moment to uh to our friend smoke boy smoke boy smoke boy but i'm going to show it to you i would but i'm going to show it to you i would but i'm going to show it to you i would never play a clip without showing you never play a clip without showing you never play a clip without showing you the clip that's not who i am the clip that's not who i am the clip that's not who i am curious when you uh pass down that curious when you uh pass down that curious when you uh pass down that message to a tulsi message to a tulsi message to a tulsi or trump tulsi's office yes tulsi's or trump tulsi's office yes tulsi's or trump tulsi's office yes tulsi's office are you office are you office are you giving them who told you that or you're giving them who told you that or you're giving them who told you that or you're just saying here's what i heard from just saying here's what i heard from just saying here's what i heard from somebody and i have this and i have this somebody and i have this and i have this somebody and i have this and i have this information and of course if they information and of course if they information and of course if they wanted to open a file on it which i wanted to open a file on it which i wanted to open a file on it which i thought was quite mysterious that thought was quite mysterious that thought was quite mysterious that trump's office never got back to us it trump's office never got back to us it trump's office never got back to us it was kind of weird about like was kind of weird about like was kind of weird about like from maybe that maybe they're not the from maybe that maybe they're not the from maybe that maybe they're not the correct office too i did receive a correct office too i did receive a correct office too i did receive a response from uh tulsi gabbard's office response from uh tulsi gabbard's office response from uh tulsi gabbard's office but i i don't think there was ever any but i i don't think there was ever any but i i don't think there was ever any um uh and um uh and um uh and that i mean it was a lot of information that i mean it was a lot of information that i mean it was a lot of information but you didn't give specifics who it was but you didn't give specifics who it was but you didn't give specifics who it was from not in the first email because i from not in the first email because i from not in the first email because i figured they would like perfect so if figured they would like perfect so if figured they would like perfect so if they do contact you 100 are you they do contact you 100 are you they do contact you 100 are you comfortable given a hundred percent who comfortable given a hundred percent who comfortable given a hundred percent who it is it is it is i would absolutely give them as much i would absolutely give them as much i would absolutely give them as much information as possible if whoever is information as possible if whoever is information as possible if whoever is the u.s government why are you not yes the u.s government why are you not yes the u.s government why are you not yes it's very strange to me you know so it's very strange to me you know so it's very strange to me you know so does does pbd sound like he doubts her does does pbd sound like he doubts her does does pbd sound like he doubts her here oh sorry pbd i wouldn't do that to here oh sorry pbd i wouldn't do that to here oh sorry pbd i wouldn't do that to you if there we go you if there we go you if there we go uh does does pbd sound like he doubts uh does does pbd sound like he doubts uh does pbd sound like he doubts her here it sounds like her here it sounds like her here it sounds like andrew wanted to dismiss it as oh you're andrew wanted to dismiss it as oh you're andrew wanted to dismiss it as oh you're crazy the french foreign legion oh come crazy the french foreign legion oh come crazy the french foreign legion oh come on on on and he's like well let's let's go let's and he's like well let's let's go let's and he's like well let's let's go let's let's walk back to this french foreign let's walk back to this french foreign let's walk back to this french foreign legion thing for just a second legion thing for just a second legion thing for just a second you gave it to the federal government you gave it to the federal government you gave it to the federal government yeah i did okay well did they contact yeah i did okay well did they contact yeah i did okay well did they contact you well the white house didn't but the you well the white house didn't but the you well the white house didn't but the other office did okay okay okay other office did okay okay okay other office did okay okay okay would you tell them who it was yeah of would you tell them who it was yeah of would you tell them who it was yeah of course i would okay federal government course i would okay federal government course i would okay federal government what the hell's going on here what the hell's going on here what the hell's going on here it's almost as if you can see pbd's it's almost as if you can see pbd's it's almost as if you can see pbd's wheel spinning saying wheel spinning saying wheel spinning saying damn this may be a cover-up after all damn this may be a cover-up after all damn this may be a cover-up after all we might be on to a cover-up here we might be on to a cover-up here we might be on to a cover-up here something may be a foot that's the case something may be a foot that's the case something may be a foot that's the case now they may respond back and say we did now they may respond back and say we did now they may respond back and say we did you know that's their position that's you know that's their position that's you know that's their position that's why i did it in writing and so i'm why i did it in writing and so i'm why i did it in writing and so i'm glad that's the case because so so if glad that's the case because so so if glad that's the case because so so if they write away in trump's office his they write away in trump's office his they write away in trump's office his like margot got right back to me she like margot got right back to me she like margot got right back to me she said it was on his desk so he has that said it was on his desk so he has that said it was on his desk so he has that there's no and if you do say that and there's no and if you do say that and there's no and if you do say that and they contact that individual obviously they contact that individual obviously they contact that individual obviously you don't have to leak your sources you don't have to leak your sources you don't have to leak your sources here is there enough credibility where here is there enough credibility where here is there enough credibility where that obviously you don't have to leak that obviously you don't have to leak that obviously you don't have to leak your sources here well not according to your sources here well not according to your sources here well not according to smoke boy what's the name of the french smoke boy what's the name of the french smoke boy what's the name of the french guy is it pierre i don't even know any guy is it pierre i don't even know any guy is it pierre i don't even know any other french names i'm sure there are other french names i'm sure there are other french names i'm sure there are other french names napoleon i don't know other french names i don't know other french names i don't know it makes people don't name their kid it makes people don't name their kid it makes people don't name their kid napoleon anymore i don't know napoleon anymore i don't know I cannot think of another. french name but i'm sure they exist he's acknowledging why would you put someone in jeopardy right here why would you just name the name on the internet what idiot would even ask you to do that obviously we're not going to name the source here and poor andrew's over here just melting into the chair jacques there's a name jacques is it jacques is it pierre is it jean a person would be willing to talk to them and explain to them exactly what their sources yes okay i mean that's it seems reasonable and so why he's asking me to if andrew had a trap door that would get him back on his plane and back into wherever he lives he would have just hit the button right there just ejected out of her basement he would have ejected he had an ejection seat that would that would eject him back to his plane at the airport he would have hit the button right there he is this is the face of defeat get a good look at it ladies and gentlemen and that is like i'm not i think those are two different things that's more something i don't really different claims why are they not reaching out to you i've asked that many times on my podcast what do you think about that andrew what what do you think about that andrew what what the fact that i've been totally humiliated right here on on uh candace's podcast is that is that what you're asking me i'm thinking about here uh i don't know what i'm thinking about i'm thinking about an ejection button to get me back to the nashville airport so i get the hell out of here because i'm getting humiliated the fact that she emailed she gave it and nobody reached out to want to contact the source they probably didn't think it was actionable as my guess but even if they did think it was actionable great every lead should be followed up on within the confines of what's rational and reasonable is it fair to say that this is maybe a different individual because this is a person that was involved with tp well we don't have a relationship with charlie no no her relationship with her relationship with her relationship with charlie we don't have a relationship like this isn't just anybody so if an average person sends it yeah yeah but i mean we don't know who the source is we don't know any of this if it wouldn't you if you were in that department wouldn't you want to even you assign it to one of your there's no guarantee they didn't look into it how do we know we don't know how could they they didn't come get the information more of the information because it was a long file yeah this is a separate this has got nothing to do with the guy's name this is more on on uh well i just i sent the email assuming that's you guys are going to send it to me i'm going to send it to you i'm going to say like you go and you you make a report you think they're going to come back to you and say hey what's more information we're investigating this and that didn't happen and which is what i raised i'm asking did you send especially because this was at a time where they were saying he really wants to know that source boy he wants to know that source pbd came out of this exchange the winner pbd came out of that exchange the winner no doubt it's indisputable because he asked what i think are very rational questions wait a minute they never followed up and asked who told you that how you are a national figure when i say candace is famous i mean like famous famous arguably as famous or more famous than charlie kirk was when he was assassinated and what she's saying is i have a source from a foreign government that their people were on the ground and they might also be trying to kill me oh and mix that with the fact that andrew said it was supposed to be you we'll leave that for another day don't you want to know who it is and i think pbd's saying yeah don't they want to know who it is well how do you know they didn't look into it because they didn't ask who it was spoke boy that's how we know they couldn't look into it this is a problem you want to talk about a multi-agency cover-up you want to talk about positive evidence of a multi-agency cover-up she went to the office of national intelligence the director of national intelligence and said i have actionable evidence a specific source with a name the title inside the french government told me certain things that were taking place on the ground that day if you'd like more information please let me know and they don't ask more information i'm in awe pbd's in awe candace was in awe smoke boy's like give me the name what's the name i want to look into it well i'm sure you do smoke boy i'm sure you do i'm sure your backers want to look into as well i can't imagine why they would want to look into it guys when i say that the options are this is a global international multi-agency cover-up that goes to the highest levels of government in every agency involved or tyler robinson playing next to charlie kirk on his own those are your only two options this is what i'm talking about this is what i'm talking about those are your two options there is no third option where like one unit in the military went rogue or some unit in utah government went rogue or some some group of c-suite executives at tpusa went rogue no no no that's not how this works because if one unit went rogue and candace says oh i've got a high-ranking french official that tells me that there were french foreign legion on the ground that day and they might have been involved the office of national intelligence would say really who who told you that we need to we need to check this out we should we should look into this but the fact that they're not interested what does that tell you about the defense i mean the director of national intelligence office what does that tell you about the executive branch of the united states government i mean that's that's what i'm talking about you can draw your own conclusions i'm not going to tell you what to think about that but that's what i'm talking about tyler robinson alone or everybody that's your option there's no option in which one group went rogue that option doesn't exist that option does not exist pbd that's a victory for you there my friend i might have misunderstood you i might have missed uh i might have uh as george bush was fake quoted from uh saturday night live i might have miss underestimated you my good sir and i apologize for doing so all right uh now candace is coming for the kill here that is she's got him on the ropes he's he's depressed he's angry he looks terrible he's sweating he's shaking his foot his poor foot's about to come off his leg he's in dire need of nicotine you know smoke boy you could have gone and gotten a packet of alps and that could have satisfied your cravings but now she comes in for the kill you're not allowed to have sources well the thing is well hang on i have sources if i said i have sources that claim none of that's true in fact my sources claim that her sources are lying my sources claim that there is none of them believe that there's a conspiracy my sources claim all of them really think that tyler robinson was a lone gunman if i just said that as hypothetical wouldn't you say what yeah i think what probably adds weight is like then when i drop photos of the car that no one was supposed to see people go okay her sources are legit so um and then when what i say is then proven in court and nobody knew those things people are recognizing that my sources are legit when i say charlie uh was scared in the last days and then i dropped the text message which you've just learned about a couple of weeks ago of him was leaving the pro-israel cause when everyone was lying about that then they say i think kansas sources are legit so i think what's happened is i've actually built up a report with my audience that it's not vibes and dreams and that's why they keep watching my content because i like for example when i just the other day released the content of the shooter on the roof doing the lateral crawl then they're going i don't think these are just vibes it seems like kansas sources are legit so i've proven myself in the market bam she got him hold on i gotta show you the face i i i broke away from the screen too fast i gotta show you the face that's the face of victory ladies and gentlemen that's the face of victory that's cool confidence that is the face of oh vibes and dreams you remember the footage on the rooftop that they tried to show us grainy distant footage and i showed it to you zoomed in you remember that remember how they were lying to you and you were like oh my god that's what i'm talking about it's not vibes and dreams it's hard evidence and she's cool and confident about it there was nothing braggadocious she didn't yell she didn't scream she just coolly and calmly reminded him i have credibility smoke boy you're here arguing over the definition of overwhelming that's where we are you're trying to say overwhelming is like a four and five chance but he did it you're saying overwhelming is well i'm convinced you're saying overwhelming is i don't mind that you ask questions i mean they've barely shown us any evidence so far i'm showing you evidence no one's ever seen i'm showing you sources that are now showing up in court i'm showing you sources that actually improve on what was shown in court smoke boy you're out of your element you're lucky i might hit that ejection button for you i think that was a winning moment i know everybody likes to go to the uh seven counts but i think that right there was one of the signature moments in the entire debate for candace and i think that um without a doubt that's the moment that i knew the debate was already over and he was just going to flail about from that point forward flail about he does he continues flailing uh that's a not not the face of a confident debater um here he is not giving a doo-doo about proving his claim the evidence was overwhelming and that he admits it was in fact a bait and switch to get her on the record this are telling you all the marshals believe it's a conspiracy of the police believe it's a conspiracy everybody believes how would that legitimize well what i am saying to you and you are not you are not forced to believe it so let me just explain what i was answering here and i think that you understood what i was saying um is i have because people trust me uh compiled a lot of information and presented it to the public and this information has been uh proven true we've presented photos we have presented videos never before seen stuff the public has never seen it and so what that does is your audience goes okay when she says that she has these sources clearly she's telling the truth now whether you would then go well i'm going to believe her when she says they don't believe they think that there's a conspiracy that's up to you you cannot watch my content i'm i'm not here to tell you that you have to watch my content or but he should believe everything i'm saying well don't you think questioners and watch mine pickle boy should get questioned as well by who i'm not committing a crime am i just like well i mean collecting most of the people you ask questions of not actually committing crimes but what do you mean they should answer questions where like at a police station like what are you saying if you're if you want people to come in and answer questions for you i have questions about this and the investigation to i have questions about this i have questions about that you want them to answer your questions doesn't it seem totally fair that you answer back the questions people have for you they're not answering our questions so it's also fair that they don't answer them so you're okay so i said andrew colvett should be in this chair he's not but isn't that a double but isn't that a double standard no it's not because he's not doing it yeah but what that would still be a double standard if you're if you're requesting that he does do it then that seems to infer that you think he owes you answers also inferences are allowed again they never weren't so that seems to infer that you think that he owes you answers if that's the case then don't you owe answers yeah well i feel like i'm answering your questions and his questions about i mean i'm talking about andrew colbert he is his position is he's a spokesperson for turning point usa so when the crowd turns against turning point usa on the basis of a lack of information or because there has been i don't know seeds sown of distrust i would imagine uh and forget answering my questions because i doesn't need to be me aren't you sowing a lot of those seeds of distrust well i i think they're doing a pretty good job themselves if i'm being honest uh you can blame it on candace all you want well you know the thing is funny people act like i'm i'm ground zero i'll be fair with you ground zero of people not trusting turning point usa i think that there was some pr there i think there was some pr there sure they could have done better i think andrew colbert sucks at his job sure i'll agree with you there absolutely i'm not disputing any of that one thing though that i am i i want to just directly ask you is do you so this is the pinnacle moment for smoke boy this is where smoke boy this is the reason he paid the three hundred thousand dollars or someone paid it on his behalf let's be honest i don't think he paid it but this is his moment this is the pinnacle moment this is why he paid the admission fee you know you you pay the admission fee to a theme park but there's really only one ride you want to ride but you go and you do the other rides right you you ride the cliffhanger you ride the the swirly do's you you go over and you ride the the uh the velociraptor but i really came to ride bigfoot that's the that's the signature ride right i'll pay the admission fee i'll do all the other stuff i'll buy overpriced food i'll i'll sit in the sun all day but i'm here to ride bigfoot now sure i'll spend some time on velociraptor that's fine this is his bigfoot this is the ride he came to ride i want to just directly ask you is do you actually believe that anybody in tp usa or erica kirk or erica actually participated had foreknowledge of or facilitated the murder of charlie kirk how long do you think it took his alcohol and tobacco riddled mind to memorize that that because that that was not that was not generic that was not like thought up on the moment do you actually believe that they had foreknowledge of and or anticipatory knowledge that such would take place in the confines of uvu university on or about the evening of september 10th 2025 what is your answer madam i'm not going to get myself into a legal pickle here i honestly think someone bet her that she couldn't get the word pickle in there like when she said that i thought did someone bet her did did she just pick up another payday someone probably like you you know he can't open a jar of pickles right i mean your humble host the pickles were no match the pickles were no match exercise strong grip smoke boy not wasting away with my marlboros and winston's american spirit no smoke boy that's uh hours of carrying kettlebells and dumbbells and barbells around smoke boy you should try it yes yes yes we can squeeze out open a pickle jar here on the real baron podcast we're sorry you cannot but i honestly thought that someone must have bet her that she couldn't work the word pickle into into the debate why would she need to work the word pickle in there well because of this horrifically embarrassing moment that smoke boy had here is smoke boy struggling to open a pickle jar i'm going to mute it because of the language but we will narrate we will narrate someone uh donated two hundred dollars yada yada yada here is smoke boy trying to open a jar oh dadgum it hey oh man oh you see you see this thing's too ah it's just too overwhelming it's it's i can't i can't even get my hand on it no no fancy this is uh let me try my shirt the shirt might help hey nope that didn't help either no no no no no ah dadgum it nah i quit now you try it lady you try it you're a woman maybe you can open it nah she can't open it either but andrew she's a woman she's not supposed to open it the whole point of getting married is someone can open the jars that's the whole point so he continues looking at the jar well i'll tell you what give it back to me maybe maybe i'll be have become a man here in the meantime no still not a man ah see no it's just it's smooth on top you see yeah so are you a man can you can you open the pickle jar no no you're not a man either i see okay no one can open the jar of pickles well i'll just pretend i'm taking notes over here so that that uh yeah dadgum pickle jar defeated everybody uh how about you try it again you think you can try to open a pickle jar here you go man that napkin oh he opened a pickle jar on the first try somebody has a little testosterone in the tank that laugh he's doing is total humiliation and embarrassment by the way that's all that is that's all that is so in light of that i had a feeling somebody said candace i'll give you five thousand extra dollars if you can get the word pickle into the debate now don't make it obvious you've got to work it in there it's got to be sly you don't want to be given the game away that we've tested you and uh and paid you to try to sneak the word pickle in there uh let's fast forward because not content with being embarrassed and humiliated he also wants to make sure that all women know he thinks they are in fact retarded those are his words ladies and gentlemen not mine don't come yelling at me send your complaints to pickle at pickle boy dot com yes yes or smoke at smoke boy dot com he owns both actually don't that's not real so i don't know who owns those don't don't send that um here is his key moment i still don't understand what she's do you think she's complicit in yeah so when i say erica's complicit that's my opinion when you tweeted erica's too retarded to kill her husband yeah would you like to explain how you developed your evidence your positive evidence for the fact that erica was retarded um yeah sure so yeah i just think all women are retarded including the one mopping the floor with your hair including the one holding you upside down and plunging her toilets with your head i guess all of them i can't open pickles but all women are retarded can i have a cigarette yet please can you give me a smoke break uh no no smoke boy no no we're not going to get we're not going to let you we're not going to let you off the bed easy all right he gets one final chance here we're getting towards the end of the debate he gets one final chance to redeem himself we're all the way at the far end of the debate here smoke boy has one final shot to pull it all together does he take it does he land a knockout blow does he come back we'll find out playing that hint narrator no he in fact does not but i'll play it anyway uh is there any more i'm happy to play every clip that he has on the ready anybody you said you said you had some new evidence at the beginning of the oh yeah we should show that text message that you read just because i think that's important for the public you shared it out of context i'll do it on my show smoke boy wouldn't that be profiting off a man's death isn't that ghoulish isn't that ghoulish i'll do it on my show what what what huh huh i'll share the uh so you're gonna read it on my show but not show it correct did you see the way she put her eyes together there she's gonna read it on my show but not show it yeah that's correct yeah that's exactly correct that's exactly what i'm gonna do okay i'll show it on my show but that's that's what i'll do i'll show it on my can i ask why well because i wanna he's looking up for an answer ladies and gentlemen drip out the evidence you know that's that's gotta drip out that evidence keep people coming back for the show right i don't know what an awful thing to say what an awful thing to say you just came on here basically accusing her of exactly that and now you're saying but i'm gonna do it i'll go ahead and make a prediction i don't think he has the text i don't think the text is real at all um i think if the text was real we would have seen it in the last 11 and a half months um all the time they've spent promising us that charlie was worried about the left killing him and not our greatest ally not the people closest to him i think they would have absolutely dripped that out uh that would have been come public i mean that they might have to get it out through house and habit or some some low-budget podcaster who would would accidentally show it on screen when he said don't show it but they would have gotten that out the text is not real i don't think i'm open to being wrong open to being wrong so he had a chance to deliver a knockout blow there but he did not but he did not i do want to go over um hold on um let me see do we have a time stamp on that let me play it from here hold on hold on i'm not going to play this whole thing because it's five minutes long but i do want to play this clip ah well hold on i got to back up what what was the time stamp on it 244 244 here we go um i want to show this right now because i think it's going to be interesting to see what happens but i'm not going to play this whole thing because it's five minutes long but i do want to play this clip ah hold on i got to back up what what was the time stamp on it 244 244 here we go um i want to show this right now because i think it's going to be interesting to see what happens right here real quick i would never play a clip without you guys seeing it i just want to be clear about that that would never happen so i will back it up because i was just testing it to see if you guys were paying attention just testing it to see if you were paying attention saying that you have evidence or like you are following evidence which one of the charges against or all of them do you think tyler robinson is guilty of i've heard a lot of people say this was an unfair question if you're going to say the evidence against tyler robinson is overwhelming and he should be guilty he should be found guilty and and you have no doubt in your mind or you have you're convinced or whatever you should have read the elements of the charges you should have read through the indictment or the charging documents whatever they whatever they have in actually not indictment but whatever they have in uh utah you should have read through them you should have read through a list of the charges you should have made a note in your mind of which elements satisfy each or which facts satisfy each element of the crime and you should know that you have to prove them by beyond reasonable doubt on each and every element because that's the supreme court requirement excuse me and you should be prepared for this question this is not a gotcha question this is not some sort of legalese this isn't some sort of trap door that she set for him and he accidentally fell into this is basics do you think the case against tyler robinson is overwhelming if you do explain it to me which particular crime or all of them all seven crimes do you think he's guilty of and and list the elements of those crimes and give me a fact for each element this isn't hard this is basic not only could he not give a fact for each element he couldn't even name a single one of the charges um the specific charge yeah uh i'm not prepared for this question yeah so i think what i think is that so i think what i think is that i am totally unprepared for this question and i'm stalling trying to buy time um tyler robinson shot charlie kirk yeah that's not a crime shooting charlie kirk is not a crime in utah there's no crime called tyler robinson shoots charlie kirk that's not in the code section in utah you can't be charged with that you got to be charged with a crime a specific crime but of the seven charges that he's he's being charged yeah can we list them real quick i'll tell you exactly which ones we'll pull them up well do you know any of the charges these he's up for right now yeah of course but yeah of course i know but i'd i'd like to look at them instead i want to make sure that we have them listed yeah but but like that's can you name one because my my general perspective is that you don't actually care about this case you're not following that is that's the that's the question it seems pretty like if you're gonna engage you're going to say the evidence is overwhelming that tyler robinson is guilty i just think that you should all right can you tell me one then let's do this you can really hang out this is a great guy no no you just got to ask me play clips out of context put me in the hot seat this is a great gotcha it's not a gotcha no one's gotcha in smoke boy we're asking a simple question here you say the evidence is overwhelming which charge give me the name of the charge under the utah code give me the name of the charge as it's listed in the charging document please just answer the question and he said it's fair so anyone who says it's an unfair question he admitted it was fair since you've been following the case okay sure you go ahead you name one yeah you named all seven i'm happy to do that but can you name one i think he's i think he's been charged with murder look at the fear in his eyes he doesn't know if he's been charged with murder that is fear that is genuine fear that is him realizing his entire reputation is going up in smoke so to speak so to speak that's actually okay great now name all seven he doesn't so he he goes through and he he does this debate tactic this is what happens when you're losing you're getting absolutely annihilated everything you came to do you're getting embarrassed pbd is now against you candace obviously is showing everyone you have no idea what you're talking about and so now he wants to put the clock on her because pressure sometimes causes people to make mistakes i think candace coolly calmly and rightly resists that pressure she knows she knows all seven she knows this case better than anybody i've told you at the outset her mind is remarkable there's no way she read an indictment with seven charges on it and forgot it that's not how her brain works didn't even this is like name all seven and and i i can you name all seven i i do like the fact that she dragged this out and i think this was strategic and and i doubt it was pre-planned maybe it was maybe she had in her mind if he's unable to name them i will drag out all seven and humiliate him with him so whether it was on purpose or it just happened it was beautiful because by dragging it out for example if i know you lied in trial this has happened we had a lady who um had been in a car accident before she sued the person she won a small settlement it was a quick easy thing but there's no way she forgot about it it was only like four or five years ago and it was about a back injury and we we actually went we pulled the case we pulled all the depositions we read everything she said we saw that she had testified on it in a deposition not a trial so we asked her at trial um have you ever filed a lawsuit before expecting her answer to be she said no okay have you ever testified by deposition before no do you remember testifying by deposition at the in this case i do and so a deposition is where there's a court reporter that's correct and you show up yes and the court reporter makes you raise your right hand and you have to swear yourself you get sworn in yes and then the lawyers take turns asking questions in other words we could have just popped her with it but why let her dangle on the vine a little bit let her twist let her realize she's made a mistake let her realize she's made a mistake let her twist let her realize she's made a tremendous mistake lying to the jury and then drag it out drag it make it painful when you've got somebody on the hook like this and they are just totally admitting defeat that they're not here to talk about the evidence being overwhelming they didn't even prepare for the fact that the over evidence was overwhelming drag it out frankly she spent four minutes on this i think she could have spent 24. i think she could have spent 24. i think she could have gone each uh each crime and listed all the i think she could have spent 24. i think she could have gone each uh each crime and listed all the elements that the state is saying and then why she disagrees with them she could have made this so painful frankly she let him off easy but i'm not going to play it without showing it to you because that would be inappropriate in fact i will pull it back up and do it sure you don't have to do it no do it i'll count them go ahead you don't have to put your fingers up okay so he knows by now she knows them and now he's just trying to apply pressure to see if she'll make a mistake that's it that's the only thing he's doing here he knows now he is defeated and this is a humiliating moment and the only way he can regain his footing is if she screws up and if this pressure causes her brain to lapse and she somehow forgets one or two of them so he's trying to apply the pressure This is what in football you would call a Hail Mary, right? You're down by six. You're at your own 40-yard line. You've got to get into the end zone. Time is expiring. You have no choice but to throw the ball into the end zone. You cannot land short or you lose. For you non-Americans, that's an American football term, a Hail Mary. It just means it's a prayer. Look at PBD's face. Do you see that face? Do you think I'm the only one who knew right here what was happening? Look at that face. He's like a proud older brother. I think this is a moment that won PBD over. PBD came, I think, expecting to watch Candace flail. He's two hours and 45 minutes into this thing right now. He's beyond impressed. Now, he's doing a little manspreading. I don't know how appropriate that is, but we'll let it slide. We'll let it slide. Apparently, he's afraid her basement's going to flood, so he's got his high waters on. But he is. He is a proud older brother here. He is absolutely proud. He is smugging and smirking. He's like, and look at her making eye contact with him. She might as well have just said, PBD, I'm about to dunk all over this man's head. Get the camera out. We're going to record a poster shot here. This was a moment where she absolutely shined. Name him? Yeah, sure. Name him? The first charge is aggravated murder. Look at PBD. He is still smiling. He is. So proud. Because that's what carries him down. Now, look at him look back at Andrew like, you dumb son of a biscuit. You have no idea what you've gotten into. Why did you walk into this basement? Why did you pay $300,000 to walk into this basement? Do you realize how stupid you look right now? A sense of suicide of you. No, that's not. That is literally not murder. Okay. No, I don't have to do it in a time limit. There's nothing going on. And just to explain to people the difference of why that really matters and shows that he doesn't actually care about this at all is because aggravated murder. It's, it's narrowly defined. And because it carries a death sentence, I'm not, I'm going to answer the question. Okay. He doesn't want detail because she's making him twist on the vine. He's going to recognize that your strategy of thinking that people are intimidated when you try to put a time constraint doesn't work and you'll be better the next time you did. I got it. I got smoke boy. Perhaps you should improve. You're not as good as you thought you were. Got it. Give me, give me the other ones. It, the more you cut me off, the longer I'll take. Do you want to just wait for me to finish it? The longer you, the more you cut me off. The longer I'll take, I can make this painful for you. If you want to smoke boy, would you shut up? Would you please shut up? Smoke boy, you're in my house. You're in my basement. You just paid me $300,000. You came in here wholly unprepared and I'm beating you over the head with a mallet, an intellectual mallet. You are no match smoke boy. No match. Why? That's a big difference. So the people don't walk away, list the charges. Yeah, I'm going to do that. You just don't get to pretend that there's a time constraint for me to do that. Well, how, how long does it take you to list seven charges? I'm speaking. You just got to. It sounds like you're just delaying it cause you don't know. I know all seven of them. And I'm going to say again, cause you're going to get embarrassed. I, you don't have to rush this. I'm also showing an example of a very flawed debate strategy. I actually am under no time constraint. I got one. Great. The second charge is the felony discharge of a weapon. Uh, the next two charges are for obstruction of justice. Okay. The next two charges are for witness tampering and the final specific charges. Though that is them obstruction of justice. That means he'd never even looked at it. If he doesn't know the names of the charges, that means he never looked at the charging document. Do you understand how critical that is? The man walked into her basement trying to prove the evidence is overwhelming and he never glanced at the charging document. That is such an indictment as to his dishonesty. This is this, this exchange is not revealing that she's smarter than he is. Clearly she is. It's not revealing. She's more prepared than he is. Clearly she is. This exchange reveals something deeper and darker. It was a failed strategy. You came in here to talk to her about Erica Kirk, France and Israel and the steakhouse. For some reason, those four facts really bother you. It makes me think we should look into those four a little better, a little closer. Spend a little more time on that. Maybe that'll give us some direction going forward. But what it reveals. Revealed was you had no interest in coming in good faith and trying to debate the claim that you agreed to, smoke boy. You agreed to defend the claim that the evidence is overwhelming. You told us right off the bat you weren't going to do that. It was enough that it was convincing to you and that you wanted to move on to Erica. Instruction of justice, witness tampering, witness tampering. Okay, and there's no other specifics to him. Well, I can tell you why he's being charged with it. No, no, no. Just the. I could go in and make this worse. For you, if you'd like. Charges and then seven. Yeah. See, the bad thing is when you try to be an a-hole and it doesn't work. What's the seven? The bad thing is when you come in here and think you're smart and you're actually an idiot. The last charge is violence in front of a minor. Okay, got it. Okay, got it. Thanks. I appreciate you pointing out that I'm wholly unprepared, that I have no business being on the same stage as you, and that there's a reason everyone in the world knows who Candace Owens is and most people are just finding out who smoke boy is, because I am no match. I am no match for your intellectual rigor. Look at PBD's face. What did you get yourself into, smoke boy? Why did you do this? Why did you challenge Candace like this? Look at his face. He went from proud papa looking at Candace to I can't believe this guy walked into her house with a set of 1994 Timbos. All right, let's get. Let's. Let's do this. That's a pretty good stopping point as far as going line by line. Here are my final thoughts. Objectively, he got destroyed. There's no way about it. There's no way you can look at this and determine that he had a chance. He did not accomplish any of his objectives. His objectives were to come in to trap her into revealing sources, trap her into some sort of defamatory. Comment, she didn't take that bait. She didn't want to end up in a legal pickle. You care to try to open a car on the wickles? No, of course not. Smoke boy has PTSD. He sees a can of pickles and he'd like to start shaking. But we have evidence, ladies and gentlemen, it real time evidence that not only your humble host thought that he failed. But that other people thought he failed as well. Here is Travis on X, Nilo X. This was the percent chance on Poly Market. Now that I do have no affiliation with Poly Market, I'm only showing you this. I don't I don't recommend gambling. I don't think you should use this site. I'm only showing this to show you that when people put their money where their mouth is, see that little hockey stick at the end that's going straight down. That's that happened during this debate. It. The market started crashing during this debate. It went as low as it had gone since a couple of days after the market opened. It started crashing. Down to a 36 percent chance, Tyler Robinson gets convicted of murder. These are people who gamble on these things. I don't recommend it. I'm not a gambler. Wouldn't take money from a gambling company. I actually get on YouTube and tell them they can't run gambling ads during my during my show and actually cost me money to not let them run the ads. I would get a better income if I let them. But. I'm morally opposed to it. I don't think anyone walked away from this more convinced that Tyler Robinson planned and executed Charlie Kirk, and I don't think anybody did. In fact, I think the market spoke. The market crashed while he was talking. The longer the debate went on, the lower the market went. So objectively. He lost the market. He decided he lost. Now, I have moral problems with this. Polymarket odds, I think it puts Tyler Robinson in grave danger because you can't get convicted of homicide if you're not alive. And the fact that there are people betting against Tyler Robinson get convicted, those people have a pecuniary interest in Tyler Robinson not making it to trial. And so I I worry about Tyler Robinson. I've always worried about Tyler Robinson, and I think this is evidence that that worry is. Is now backed by money. That people could make a handsome profit if something happened to him. I don't like that. I don't think that should be the case. I hope if we dug into it and I have not. I hope if you open this up, it says basically the contract gets canceled if he if he something happens to him. That everybody gets their money back and no one no one walks away a loser. I hope something like that happens because if they're putting a price on Tyler not making it to trial, that's a problem. That's I have a moral issue with that. Now, who are the winners and losers? Candace is a winner. No doubt. No doubt Candace walked away a winner. She walked away a winner on every claim on every count. You can say all you want smoke boy that she doesn't have any evidence. Derelevant she's allowed to have an opinion and her opinion is backed by evidence that she's receiving. It's backed by circumstantial evidence of things that are happening around. So I think Candace is a winner. PBD, believe it or not, I had very low expectations for PBD. I thought PBD would would really show up and not do a good job. good job moderating this debate. I thought he would put his thumb on the scale for Smoke Boy and really try to be unfair like sometimes you see in presidential contests that the moderator will take a side and start fact-checking in real time and all that. He didn't do that. I thought his follow-up questions were fair. I thought they were at times difficult for both of them and at least helped flesh out some of the ideas they were struggling with. And I think PBD walked away with his head high having done a fruitful job. I think he did an okay job. Now, who else was a winner? All of us. Your humble host was a winner. Ian Carroll was a winner. Danks, Baze, Jesse on Fire, you know, all the people covering this case. All the people who spend significant time asking the question, who killed Charlie Kirk, how and why, and Trigger Smart does. I just left out a whole bunch of people I didn't intend to. I just can't think of everybody. But there are a lot of people trying to investigate this case. There are a lot of people. There are a lot of people that watch all those shows that are trying to investigate this case, that are coming up with new evidence, that are fielding evidence, that are identifying heretofore unknown pictures and videos and getting them into the right hands so that those can get disseminated to wide audiences. Those people came out winners. Why? Because they admitted that it is right to continue asking questions, that it's okay to not be satisfied by the evidence. And if you're not satisfied by the evidence, you should be trying to figure out who did it. If we don't think it's Tyler Robinson, we have every right to figure out who it was. And so I think we came out winners. Who came out losers? I think Tyler Robinson came out a winner, to be honest with you. I think the debate proved that the people are right to continue asking questions. Now, who came out a loser? Obviously, Smokeboy. His reputation is in shatters. They can, in tatters. They can run around and they can try to say that, oh, he, you know, defended this or this was unfair. No. He lost hands down the market. Decided every major poll says he lost. He got smoked. I mean, smoked. He got embarrassed. He was unprepared. He was unwilling to even attempt to defend his claim that he paid money to go defend. And then when it got to the matter of the Patsy business, I thought she did a pretty good job holding her own. You know, frankly, a really good job holding her own. So I think Smokeboy is an obvious loser. But who else? TPSA lost. This was their horse. They've been promoting this guy. They've been retweeting him. Blake Neff said he'd throw in. To help pay for the gifts and go. I think he did. They're the losers here. They are huge losers. It showed, particularly when he said that he had some sort of a super secret piece of evidence and he was holding on to it. And I've got never before seen text messages. Losers. Absolute losers. You guys are losers. TPSA is a dishonest, fundamentally dishonest organization. Nobody should be supporting TPSA. That's my opinion. Now, if people want to support TPSA, that's fine. I'm not calling for a boycott. I'm not a boycott guy. I'm not saying people should quit the chapter. That's not me. But I'm just saying. I don't see how they walk away from this debate. This is what they've been wanting. This is what they've been promoting. And they got humiliated. Absolutely humiliated. But who else was a loser? The FBI, the State Bureau of Investigation, the Utah County Attorney's Office. Losers. Guys, nobody trusts your case. Nobody trusts your case. The Utah County Sheriff. Nobody believes you. Nobody believes you. Not even somebody who paid money to defend you could defend you. They didn't even try. I think this might have been the most expensive debate in history. I'm not aware of anyone who's ever paid more than $300,000 for the opportunity to debate somebody. You're telling me the most expensive debate in history proved that your case sucks and nobody believes it and no right not to believe it? And we're now past the preliminary hearing stage? I would add Judge Graff into that loser category. I think he's a loser today. I think he's one of the people losing. He's tried to do a pretty good job trying to keep it fair. But, man, when you look at it like this, this case sucks. This case sucks from the beginning. Judge, you've let evidence into your courtroom that is of lower quality than was shown on a podcast. You've let in mirrored video. Down stairwells. You've let in clipped videos that have a minute or more missing inexplicably from multiple angles, from the top of the stairwell, in the parking garage, from the roof. You let them inexplicably clip like seven minutes out and not explain why. Where is that footage, Judge? The fact that you're not jumping up and down demanding honest videos be put in front of your courtroom for you to make a decision. As the magistrate in this case, that makes you a loser. You lost Thursday or Friday, whatever day this was. You lost. She just trampled all over this case. But the other losers are the influencers who walked out of the courtroom saying the case was overwhelming. Will you ever believe anything Officer Tater Tot ever says again? Will you ever believe super double agent, super secret agent Jack Posobiec ever again? Will you ever believe anything that comes out of Benny Likes Johnson's mouth? Ever again? That didn't come out right. Will you ever believe anything he says again? His own wife didn't believe him. You could see it in the picture next to him. She was looking at him like, what? What are you saying we saw? Huh? Guys, these guys are dishonest. They lied to your face. They told you they saw things that they didn't see. They told you the evidence was overwhelming, and it's not. It's not overwhelming at all. But also those micro losers on X, all the people in the group of 92, Chad, and the group of. All these people that are harassing everybody in the comments, all losers of this debate. They all promised us Candace was unprepared. She didn't know what she was talking about. It was all vibes and dreams. And when push came to shove, she embarrassed him. She embarrassed him. She proved not only is it not vibes and dreams, it's reasonable for us to continue asking questions because the case doesn't add up. The case doesn't add up at all. And the one guy that paid $300,000 to go in there said, yeah, I'm only 80% convinced, 75% to 85% convinced. And I don't think the case is overwhelming, but I'll define overwhelming as at least I'm convinced. No, guys, you guys are losers. You guys all lost. All of you hanging out on these X spaces, whining and complaining about, Candace, I want this. Candace, I want that. Me, me, me, me, me, me. Losers. You guys all lost. You could not have had a worse afternoon if you tried. Because this was your best. This was your hopes and dreams. Think about the weak smoke boy head. He paid $300,000 to get humiliated on a national stage, an international stage. He walked away having completely lost his reputation as a master debater. He could not have done a worse job if he tried. And then he was revealed to have lied about his military service. Did you ever serve? No. And then a video footage comes out and says he served for a year or so. Well, that still wasn't cleared up. We still don't know the answer to that. Did you lie about your service or did you somehow leave the military in under a year when there's no known contract that would have you leave in under a year? Now we're hearing he might want a rematch and they're throwing money around. Someone offered me $100,000 to come debate the issue on their podcast. Well, what? What are you talking about? You guys just proved you can't do this. I'll do it for $3 million, smoke boy. She wanted $300,000. I want $3 million. I'll debate you on the issue of whether the evidence is overwhelming. $3 million. That's my final offer. It will not be $2,999,999.99. I'll pay all my own expenses out of the $3 million. And I'll travel to whatever podcast you want to go to. $3 million. $3 million. $3 million. $3 million. doing this debating to the last second about all the little things one claim the evidence against tyler robinson's overwhelming you want to rematch three million there's your answer don't come at me with a hundred thousand that's insulting you just got humiliated for 300 000 if you had 300 000 you've got three million that's my final offer three million dollars i almost made it 30 million but i thought maybe they'll actually bite at three million and for three million i'll spend an afternoon with you i'll spend any oh oh oh oh daisy will moderate and fact check but you have to buy her alexis i didn't see those notes at the bottom daisy i apologize daisy will moderate the debate and she'll fact check but you have to buy her alexis that's that she drives a hard bargain ladies and gentlemen she drives a hard bargain but if you've got three million for me i don't know how much alexis is these days 60 80 000 that's nothing drop in the bucket to you guys with your never-ending supply of money to get humiliated at all costs it's got to be less than you guys are paying all these stupid people to run out there and carry your water act like the case is overwhelming i would think this would be a bargain i would think this would be a bargain so that's my final offer take it or leave it three million smoke boy and alexis for daisy and alexis for days all right uh mrs coleman's gonna be upset because i didn't ask for her to get a new minivan but that's okay that's okay we'll get her a minivan out of the three million that and that's it it's final offer final offer Um, I honestly don't know where they go from here. I've watched, I've listened to their stupid spaces. I've watched their stupid podcast, trying to act like what he did was somehow beneficial to their cause. It was not, it was not. Um, I think if you could open up PBD's head and get inside of it and ask him a few questions, he would agree that that was a disastrous performance. It was all over his face. Uh, if, if, if, if, if, if PBD wants to pay poker, I'll play poker with him because he has no poker face. None whatsoever. He did a good job moderating. No poker face. He looked at Candace. He was like, oh girl, you are crushing. He looked at smoke boy. He's like, what have you done? You, you know, that sound you hear smoke boy. That's your reputation crashing. Yeah, that's it. You walked in with a reputation. You walked out a loser, a loser. I don't know anything that could be said better. I don't know anything else that could be said better. Um, guys, if you've liked the video, by all means, I'm not begging you, but if you've liked it, please give it a like on your way in or out, uh, it does help the program and, uh, with YouTube's algorithm or whatever, supposedly, if you don't hit the like button, you weren't even here. That's what they say. I don't know who they are, but that's what they tell me. Uh, so give it a like on your, uh, on your way in or your way out. I would greatly appreciate it. And I will roll through some of your comments. Oh, I see the number of comments. I'm not going to be able to get through all of them. Um, I will do my best to get through as many as possible. We're already at two hours and 15 minutes. Um, I will make you the same promise I make every time I will read every single one after the show. If I don't pull it up and respond to it on air, I will read it. Um, but I'm going to have to be a little picky and choosy just based on sheer volume. So fair warning. If you comment from this point forward, there's, there's not a chance that you're going to be able to get through all of those comments. There's not a hundred percent guarantee. I'll get to it. I will get to as many as I can. Uh, using my super chat to ask for prayers for my fellow Hoosiers, devastating flooding. Thanks be a Daisy for all your hard work to put this show on every week. I appreciate you both. My aunt is actually in town from Indiana and she said the same thing. She said the same thing that it's just devastating up there. Prayers indeed for the Hoosier state. Uh, thank you, Lisa Mac. Uh, sincere. Thank you to all who make RBP happen. Be you're a shining light in dark times. And I appreciate all your time and effort so much. Good luck. Good luck to your son in college. PSE smoked boy. Now. Oh, smoke boy. Oh, oh, real quick. I need to tell you this. Uh, tomorrow's show is I normally do a show every Monday. I will not be able to do it tomorrow. I will be dropping my son off at college. I normally don't do a live show on Tuesday. I will this week. So fair warning. I will be here Tuesday. Uh, the member show will get kicked a Friday in all likelihood. So probably Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, I'll be live shows. And then a member show Friday afternoon. So fair warning, fair warning. Um, where are the neck bones? Absent means missing, not shattered. Experts can ID ID fragments of bone, neck tissue, or brain tissue absent. Um, they didn't say the neck bones were absent. They said the C spinal cord was traumatically absent and that the bones were obliterated. So I'm assuming that means they're in little pieces all over the place. I watched a buckle on Canada site. I subscribe, not YouTube. It was yuck to most there. I couldn't wait to hear. Andrew, uh, Wilson and that foot Candace rocked it. Yes. Candace did rock it. You could hear his foot. If you listen carefully, you hear go, do you think OGA actually paid smoke boy to do this debate? If so, what was the point? It just made it worse and looks more, uh, looks like more than ever. There was in fact, a conspiracy. Um, I don't know who paid it. I doubt he paid it. I mean, that's just my gut instinct. He didn't pay it. Somebody paid it. I don't know who. I'm hoping TPSA didn't pay that. I'm hoping, uh, happy birthday. Tiffinator 48th. Congratulations. Congratulations. Glad to have you here. Uh, happy birthday. Uh, Baron, what do you think the judge will do if he doesn't find the case to trial? Doesn't he, does he grant a continuance? What direct evidence in regards to texts, video prints, DNA, et cetera. What'd he look for? I think he'll bind it over to trial. Unfortunately, I do think that'll happen. Uh, finally watch tombstone. Finally. Uh, it's true. You're a good woman. Then again, you may be the antichrist, Charlie. Kirk, the Erica project. That's a quote directly for the movie tombstone, but it might be applicable here. Uh, hello, everyone. Are we ready? I'm ready. Uh, Baron, I've been waiting since Friday to hear your reaction. I can't wait. Let's go. I hope it lived up to your expectations. I quit interrupting pregnant women to be here. Oh, blacksmith. Are you suggesting that's what smoke boy did the whole time? Um, the. Um, GD should have come, hope that doesn't mean what I think should have come with a warning. Side effects include secondhand embarrassment, watching a w tank his crew. Oh, the great debate. The great debate. Yes. Secondhand embarrassment is true. Oh, that was hard to watch. Uh, why was Don jr. At the preliminary hearing intimidation? Well, the re the result certainly, or I can't say certainly probably was intimidation. Um, but I can't say for certain. That's why he was there. Just intimidating. Whenever somebody with secret service protection comes in, I would think, Hey, Baron, my daughter's one of your biggest fans. Remember the RBP club? Can you wish Lakin a happy birthday? Thanks, Baron. God bless you, sir. Happy birthday. Lakin. I hope it's a wonderful one on subbing since you have no positive evidence. B see you high. And thank you from Mukwanago, Wisconsin. Love you and your work. Can't think of a better way to spend my Sunday evening. Jesus loves you. Jesus loves you. Indeed. Uh, we can't wait to hear your take on smoke. Boy and CEO. Oh, I hope you got it. All smoke. Boy did was prove a theory. Doesn't have direct a to be evidence. That's literally what a theory is. Um, he did more than that. He did more than that. Andrew didn't yank and bang hard enough in the debate. Did you guys see her commercial where they talked about yanking and baking the ghost phone commercial? I thought that was hilarious. By the way, she was cracking herself up, reading that script. Uh, Sunday's the first day of the week. Why don't Christians celebrate Sabbath on Saturday? Catholic. Let's change it. And why the Jews got it right? I don't know. You take it up with the church council. I'm here. Baron. I've been catching up duly noted on this one. Let me just say, uh, Jesus said man wasn't made for the Sabbath. Sabbath was made for the man. In other words, the Sabbath requirement was just so that men would rest, have a day off. It wasn't so that it would be so restrictive that it caused him problems. And so if Jesus rose on the first day of the week. And the church wants to celebrate it and wants to gather on the first day of the week in order to celebrate that resurrection on a weekly basis, then let's just move the rest day to that day. I mean, that to me makes sense. Man wasn't made for the Sabbath. Uh, Sabbath for the man. Um, I'm here, Baron. I've been catching up. Good, good, good. Uh, the way Candace dropped in a pickle reference was epic. I'm not going to get myself into a legal pickle. Yes. Yes. I'm not going to pull the wickles jar back up, but I could, but I could. I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. Yes, yes, yes. It was a good line. It was a good line. Smoke boy got smoked. He gives me the creeps. Snake oil salesman. Well, that gives a, see that, that's, that gives a bad reputation to snake oil salesman. They're probably good snake oil salesman out there and you just denigrated an entire class of people. Don't do the snake oil salesman like that. They did nothing to deserve it. I need some sanity. So I'm here with the best folks. Oh, you've come to the right place. Don't get yourself into a legal pickle. Now I shan't, I shan't, uh, Candace talking in the word pickle was masterful. Agreed. Agreed. Andrew W on two X speed sounds identical to Ben Shapiro. Uh, that's just cause they're whiny. Smoke boy sounds way too cool. Especially the way Baron says it. I suggest to switch to the much more appropriate version from the live chat. Ashtray. If it's imperfectly, I'm going with smoke boy, I thought smoke boy's foot was going to fly off. The principal definitely schooled him. Love you, Baron. You do amazing work. Thank you. I appreciate that. I speak for everybody. We need a Baron bobblehead. Oh, we don't have a Baron bobblehead, but some kind gentlemen did give me a Baron handcrafted wood figurine. He's going to sit on my desk. You can't see him cause he's behind me, but trust me, he's back there. He's back there. He's back there. Uh, Ben, a smoke boy admitted to TPSA gave him Charlie Kirk's text on September 9th. Can defense trigger Brady violation collapse? If FBI hit threats from Tyler's discovery files to protect narrative, does graph have grounds for pretrial dismissal? Um, probably not. Um, probably not on that basis. No bun. Braid or band, but still a bashing smoke boy is alternating between his thumb and a pack of Virginia slims. Do you think he smokes Virginia slims? I was a ball boy at a Virginia slims tournament. I almost went. I still have my credentials up there. 19 1991. I'm old guys. I admit it. I'm old. 1991. Uh, humble host. I know you take a lot of heat for repeating yourself. I know you explained 1102 to us approximately 493 times. Somehow I didn't fully grasp the magnitude. of what 1102 meant until Candace explained it to Smokeboy. Well, I take full responsibility for that. I should have done a better job. Please address PBD's expressions. Love you, B. I did, I think. There are a few of them. PBD asking, CO was the most interesting part. I thought he did a good job. Hello, Baron. Send a tip to CO. Heard on a live. Should be DNA all over the rifle if it's down his pants. Christ is king indeed. Keep going, Max. I would think so. I would think there's a lot of problems with that thing being in his pants. Number one is the prosecution admitted it would make it inaccurate. Number one fan in North Dakota opened a jar of pickles to be here. Thank you for doing what you're doing. Please keep going, Max. I'm doing my best. Doing my best, Cody Koenig. One, who paid PBD and how? I don't know the answer to that. PBD's rich. Do we have to pay him? I mean, that's like, he's rich. He just got seen by millions of people. That's pay enough, right? Curious why we haven't gone back to John Cullen's work on the Hades plane that was at UVU on 910. In the timeline, you can follow so perfectly with flight tracking that is on Andy Liu's Substack article from four months ago. Love your work. Because I covered it. I mean, I can't go back and cover everything twice, but I covered the plane being there. I even covered something Cullen hasn't covered, which is the Hades plane that did the loop over St. George, Utah at the time Tyler Robinson is alleged to have been there. Why was it there? Had no business being there. It was going from Southern California to Texas, and instead of going this way, which would have been a direct route, it goes to St. George and loops around and then goes to El Paso, Texas. Why? I covered that on this show as well. Thank you for that. Very kind donation. B, it was an olive jar. Internet has screwed that up. Yeah, but pickle jar sounds funnier. Pickle jar sounds funnier. Do you know how many jars of wickles we have in our cabinet? I went and looked because I was like, I need to get a pickle jar for this bit. And I went in there and looked and I thought, do we own stock? Did they send us a gift box? How do we have so many jars of wickles? We got okra. We got relish. We got old school wickles. A lot of wickles, but they're delicious. And this is not an ad, not an ad. They've never given me a thing. They don't even know that I'm doing this. I don't think man, I'm so grateful for you, your hard work. Thank you for clearly articulating this case. Please pray the Lord brings my husband's home soon and restores my marriage. I will do that, Ginger Ingram. I will do that. I'll pray for you. Thank you. Baron, when the furry twig burned the note, isn't that tampering with evidence? Go max to remember his story in the 1102 hearing. The 1102 deposition. He said he did not burn the note or he didn't say he didn't burn the note. He said he didn't remember seeing it again after he set it down. I think he's disclaiming that. He burned the note. PBD, though I was skeptical, did superb, in my opinion. Totally forgot he was there most times. Yeah, yeah. Ten memos, Eli. Very kind of you. Take advantage of those memberships. If you just got one of those, and here's another five falling down on your heads. These guys are very kind. If you guys got any of those that fell down from the sky on your heads, and to be eligible for the memberships, you just have to be on a live show, in the live chat, and you'll be eligible. If you got one of those, take advantage of it. There's a lot of really good content out there. A lot of interviews. We're going to have a good guest coming up. We got a very good guest coming up soon on one of the member shows. You're not going to want to miss that. Ian Carroll cooked today. Agreed. Agreed. If you've not watched Ian Carroll's stuff, it's top notch. He went line by line. He spent, I think, like four hours going through the debate. It was fantastic. It was fantastic. Ian is a goat among goats. Sending my. oldest off to college next week. I'm feeling all the feels. Good luck to the Coleman fam tomorrow. Thank you, Michelle. We're going to need it. We had a going. I'm not going to show you the picture because it'll show you all my kids' faces, but we had a going away dinner today, and it was sad to me. It was sad to me. My granddaughter loves her Bullbutter shirt. She's wearing it on her first day of school next week. I don't know if that's a good idea, but more power to her. I hope she doesn't get sent home. She knows you and the principal by voice, your favorite Northern California. Thank you, California fans. Thank you. Hope she doesn't get in trouble. Hey, Bup-Bup Baron, please say hi to Billy. Got the hubs watching. Can't wait to hear your breakdown of this debate. Keep going, Max. Billy, I hope all is going well in your world. Baron, did you ever explain about Charlie's necklace? Love you, B. I'm going to do a show on that in the near future. I'm not sure if it'll be this week or next week. It's coming up. Coming up. But, yeah, it has to do with the necklace she's still wearing and whether or not it's the same necklace. Heading to Surprise, Arizona in a few weeks. For my son's CP stem cell treatment. What Catholic church did you attend there? Please keep us in your amazing, keep us in your prayers. I went to St. Bernadette. It is beautiful. It is beautiful. It's not in Surprise. It's over in Scottsdale. I got heat for that. Blake said I was stalking Erica. I didn't think she was Catholic. How can I stalk her if she's not Catholic? She shouldn't be there. Anyway. I had no say in where we went. I was there with five or six other. Grown men. And they I walked out of my hotel room to go to mass. They're like, we're going to St. Bernadette. I was like, great. I had no say in it, but it was a beautiful, beautiful parish. I mean, truly beautiful. And my humble opinion, it was TPSA based on talking points. He kept saying and he failed bigly. Thanks for all you do, Baron. I love listening to shows. I learn a lot. Thank you, visage. Appreciate that. Appreciate that. Number one fan from Prospect, Connecticut here. Candace wouldn't let a W smoke. But she sure did smoke him on Friday. She's a savage in the best way. Connecticut grows great women. That's what I hear. That's the rumor. That's the rumor. Andrew, you talking about smoke boy was so discombobulated. His flicker foot was distracting and telling. He knew less than Ben S's donkey. You talking about his midget horse? Structure and narrative would have been helpful. He's very interested in the receipt. He is indeed. Very interested in the receipt. In fact, I think he only came to talk about four things. France, Israel. Erica and Cowboy smokehouse. That's it. That's all he cared about. Nothing else. Literally nothing else. Debating pregnant with a boy. Candace was a mistake. Yeah, she's vicious when she's pregnant with a boy. Very cosmopolitan. Change my name for you. Oh, can't spank cats. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Tombstone is very cosmopolitan. There's no doubt about it. Great. Great line. Thoughts with you tomorrow. Take lots of issues. Tissues. We need them. We needed them when we took each son and dropped off with a recruiter to leave for maps and basic. I tried not to cry. I failed. Um, I think Mrs. Coleman will need the tissues every time she thinks about it. She breaks down into a puddle to no offense, Mrs. Coleman, but it's been known to happen. Maybe she's not watching my B. I will continue to reasonably doubt this case. TPSA smoke boy. Pay $300,000 for funsies. Wonder if donors will be mad. Thanks for all you do. If I was a TPSA donor, I would ask directly if they had any contribution to that. And if so, I would never give them another penny. Now, that's just a fact. Like, if you're going to take my money and just blow it to watch smoke, boy, go get mopped in Candace's basement. I'm out. Oh, you T. I'd be number one fan from Waco, Texas. My nine year old loves falling asleep. Your voice every night. Oh, he sounds like he's brilliant. Can you please say hi to Kyla and say la boo boo just one more time for her three years sober on the 20th? Amazing job to all on this journey. Keep it up first. Congratulations, Carrie. Your kids are getting a better version of you. I have no doubt. Does she have a la boo boo la boo boo? I don't. I still right now can't tell you what they look like. But hi, Kyla. Hi, Kyla. I hope you get a good night's sleep. It was disorganized and messy. This was a grudge match. PBD was the referee. I don't know how disorganized it was. I mean, he had an hour and a half to defend his claim and chose not to. That's his business. If he wants to concede defeat out of the gate and then blow an hour and a half talking about nonsense, that's his business, I guess. Hi, Barry. I'm asking for prayers for my son, 17, his girlfriend, 16. As they're about to welcome my first grandbaby. Babies are always a blessing. And Christ is king indeed. Thanks for all you do in this community you have built. You'll never find a single line in scripture of any religion that I'm aware of that says babies are anything but a blessing. So welcome the baby and shower it with love. Shower it with love. Congratulations. We don't no-no. We no-no. My favorite can-can truth. Duly noted. America's nosy upstairs neighbor here. Oh, you're talking about our top hat? America's top hat, Canada? I saw something suspicious and had to come downstairs. Oh, you're coming into our country without seeking medical treatment? Most of you come down here for medical treatment. Did you catch the hooded person in TF's video? Who? Like they jump in the back of the SUV with Frank. So I'll clear this up. He doesn't have a hood on. I know. I think I know who it is now. I've watched that video so many times and I've looked at so many pictures and I know that crime scene better than I feel like anybody. I'm pretty confident to know who that is. and from footage after the car leaves, I'm not so sure he's in it. But I think based on who was around in that vicinity, who would have thought to jump in the car and who fits that description, I think it's pretty obvious who it was, or to me it is. But I'm not going to say it because I don't want to start a rumor if I'm wrong. Someone will get mad and, oh, you're doxing people. I'm not doxing anybody. But I do want to clear that up. I don't think it's a hooded guy. Two, I tagged you and Daisy in a video of a guy who went to UVU. Said the court video of TR in the stairwell in the parking garage is flipped. I'm talking about Denizen. I watched that. Think about you and the family with your son off to college sending love and prayers. My daughter left for the UK in May, and it's still tough. Keep going. Max, Crisis King, and Dee doing our best over here. Hope it'll get easier with time. I'm hoping that for myself. Right now, Smokeboy's live, claiming Candace was fed the answers through her earpiece. Projection? I think that's impossible. I think it's impossible. I've been in that studio. I know how those earpieces work. No questions for moderator each. No rebuttals. No question from moderator for each. No rebuttal. I don't know what that means. Barron, Smokeboy's immediate attempt to redefine overwhelming had me so overwhelmed I burst into laughter and earmarked a share of my hubs. I was surprised he didn't even try to produce evidence. Well, no, why would he? There is none. Not overwhelming evidence. I love that he didn't think the receipt from the steakhouse was valid because she didn't call the merchant to verify the card was TR's. Um, she can't get a warrant that would be needed to verify it. Yeah, correct. She has no subpoena power. Andrew used a thesaurus for overwhelming. No, that's not what he used. He used bull butter. My B and Carrie Muller. I've already claimed number one fan in Waco, Texas. I have the merch to prove it. Love you. My B crisis king. Indeed. Carol, I'm glad you're standing your ground. I'm going to pay to see the fight. 300,000 to change the narrative is money. Well spent for TPSA and tanking ratings and EK's disaster of a CEO rollout. It's why she's laying low. She has been laying low. She finally took your humble host advice. You know who else should lay low? Smokeboy. Smokeboy. Put your head down, big boy. It'll get better. Candace should have given Smokeboy one of those plastic neck cones to wear at home and help my dog heal after he was neutered. Can someone make an AI image of that, please? Smokeboy in a neck cone. Minute 41 of 42 of The Great Debate. You can watch Pickles deflate and his insecurities flood out. He's playing a macho character hiding behind cigarette smoke. That's why I call him Smokeboy. You know, nicknames don't work unless they are both infantile and go wrong. They go right to the person's deepest insecurity. Whatever he's using, whatever he's using to, whatever he's hiding with his cigarette smoke, like his tough guy, I smoke all the time. That's what I do. I smoke. Whatever that's hiding is obviously he's deeply insecure about. So calling him Smokeboy is both infantile and going right at his deepest insecurity. That's the only way the nicknames work. That's why Little Marco was so effective. It's why all of Trump's nicknames, his nicknames hit so hard. Crooked Hillary. Now, what is her deepest insecurity? She's crooked, allegedly, in my opinion. He goes right after their deepest insecurity. And that is a good nickname. Hope you, fam, had a great weekend and got grandbaby loves. I saw the grandbaby today. Looks like you had a good time on X. Happy birthday to several of our jury members. Yeah, so on X, I put on the subscriber, I put on the subscriber, I put on the subscriber, I usually do like personal stuff more than thoughts on the case or thoughts on politics or whatever. And I put some pictures up from a dinner we had Friday, Saturday, excuse me, with just my wife, me, and my son. So we had our family dinner today, and we had our personal dinner yesterday. And I put that out on the, not again, not pictures of him, but just the food. The food was remarkable. Thought people would want to see it. I don't know. Maybe people don't want to see it. Now, happy birthday. Happy birthday, jury members. Hi, Barron. After following the Delphi case, I realized how much people do not understand reasonable doubt. This case was full of reasonable doubt, yet he was still convicted. Yeah, even juries struggle with it. It's because it's nebulous. Yo, Barron. Please pray for Indiana. Parts of the state are experiencing a hundred-year flood. Extreme devastations used to seeing this stuff on the coast, but seeing it happen 30 minutes up the road hits differently. Yes, it does. I will absolutely pray for a fellow, and I'm not going to be a loser up there, absolutely. And thank you, this is very kind of you. Great opening, Barron. I have a feeling Mr. Pickles is shaking in his boots while watching this. Mr. Pickles, that's kind of infantile. That goes right after an insecurity of his. Weak grip. Ashtray Socrates' specific claim for the debate was the evidence against TR is overwhelming. This is the same claim that he said they stalemated on. How can anyone argue he won? In turn, not yet. Yeah, he lost. I mean, he admitted he lost. He didn't even try to defend it. He didn't even stalemate. He said he couldn't defend it, and he quit before it started. It'd be like going into a boxing ring and throwing down your gloves. It'd be like, eh, we'll call it a stalemate. No, you quit. You quit. You can't call it a stalemate. You lost. You forfeited. I think Candace will donate $300,000 to GiveSendGo for fired TP employees. She didn't do this for herself. She wanted to take theirs from them. Uh, okay. All the uptalk from Andrew for a guy in the manosphere. He sure is effeminate. I'll leave that alone. Happy birthday to my mom. She turned 74 today. We both found out your show separately and now love talking about the episodes. Please wish Nana a happy birthday. She'll know who she is. Happy birthday, Nana. You'll know. 74-year-old Nana. Unless there's more than one Nana turning 74 who watches. Very happy to spend. My birthday was high Q outfit, our humble host. And of course the wonderful Daisy. Thank you. Happy birthday. We get a lot of birthdays today. What happened nine months ago? September, October. Thanksgiving. It was Thanksgiving. Everybody's off work for a few days. Now we know. Yeah. What'd you guys do for Thanksgiving? Well, sorry to make you think about your parents doing that. Uh, very disappointed. Candace didn't play videos of what went on under that tent. Really nothing about the actual event. Felt like a money grab. Sorry you feel that way. I think she annihilated it. Well, I'm not a fan of PBD by any stretch. I'm interested in seeing what he was supposed to be proving the claim that the evidence is overwhelming. Anything that happened after under the tent has nothing to do with whether Tyler Robinson shot him. That's that's irrelevant. So I, I don't see why she would have played that. You guys got to stay focused. Like debates have issues, specific issues. It's not like a free for all, like every issue you've ever had with something. I'm interested in seeing if his view of the case against Tyler will change after hearing Candace in person. He appeared to be impressed with her knowledge. Hard not to be fed. Sloppers are now wondering why Erica won't talk. Because every time she talks, it's a disaster. I mean, that's if we're being, honest, the best advice you ever got was go home, go home, go home, lay low. According to a search warrant, state believes TR was texting at the top of the stairs. Okay. Who texting who, and you and Candace are the best. Did you see, she wore daddy's home shirt gangster from beautiful bend, Oregon. I didn't know that I didn't catch the shirt. That's funny. I think it's crazy how comfortable PBD is compared to smoke boy. Yeah. My money was always. On the baby. The baby understood the assignment and help Candace go max. Yeah. We'll get to meet the baby before long. Everyone look at Candace's eyes when she asks him what charges and he can't name them. She was not impressed with him. He read it like it was the first time he'd seen it. Oh, you're talking about his opening. Yeah. He didn't, he didn't seem very confident in that. Why would you do a debate? If you can't present your evidence, it was at her house. It was very underwhelming. Nothing about George Zinn. Nothing. We got nonsense about. Dust in the gun barrel and DNA, not even Mikey McCoy. Again, the question is, did Tyler Robinson do it? He conceded on that issue and then he, and then, and then the floor was his to ask her questions. I don't know. I mean, you've got to understand how these things work. It's not, it's not a free for all. You don't get to just list every problem you have with the case, every complaint you have with what took place that day. Now obvious. Was it the Blake Neff or Andrew Colvette rogues smoke boy, his, his opening statement read from his phone. It was the only time all day. He sounded intelligent, complete TPS, a Zionist fed slop. Well, I won't go as far as saying that he didn't write it, but I wouldn't fight you. If you made the claim, we have to call him smoke boy, because there's already an Andrew in the story. And the guy decided to insert himself into this for who even knows what? Oh, I have a feeling. I know why he inserted himself into this first ever super, just to say, Benny Likes Johnson quip was diabolical. Well, I'm sure he's a big fan of the Johnson family. What's the problem? His last name's Johnson. He probably loves it. You don't like your last name? Kung Fu Panda? You don't like Panda? It bothers me that Cash tweeted pics of the bullets immediately after ice shooting 14 days after CK, but we haven't seen the ones done by, allegedly by TR. We have now. We saw them in the preliminary hearing, but yeah. UVU has license plate readers in case payment fails to go through for the parking garage. Why did they not use that to verify his car? Also, my name for Smoke Boy is Small Hands Pickle Man. Weak grip. Weak grip. Yeah, I don't know why they didn't present evidence of his license plate. That seems more definitive than it looks like a charger. Did you see the video when Frank opened the hatch of the vehicle when they were taking CK to the hospital? The guy in all black and even his face looked covered. I might have to cover this one day this week. That's not what happened. It's not a guy in all black. He's got a blue shirt on. His face isn't covered. He's dark skinned. And he jumped in. I mean, you can see it if you know what you're like. If you look at everyone that was around who might have jumped in the car and you look carefully, it looks plain as day. It looks plain as day who it is. Now, all we have is like two frames on television. It looks plain as day. Maybe I'm seeing it wrong. Maybe it's a guy in all black with a hood on. I don't know. But I don't think so. I don't think I think I'm right. Simple thing I wish CO did to find the word evidence out loud. Smokey deliberately conflated evidence with proof. Yeah, I made that point. Evidence is info, proof, object or sign that helps show something is true or real. Yeah, again, I as a lawyer, once he started fighting me on that, I would have said, hey, that's weight, not sufficiency. I've given you evidence. If you don't believe it, that's that's you as a fact finder. You don't have to accept it. But it is evidence. Eyewitness testimony is evidence. People are sitting in prison right now on eyewitness testimony alone. So that's evidence. We have eyewitnesses saying he was there. That's evidence. Got to be spicy when TPUSA hangs him out to dry on the text and he turns on them. He better provide them. I just know Andrew was mad thinking, how dare Candace not allow me to smoke in her house, then turns around and smoke me like that. Ha ha. She smoked him. No doubt. Mr. Wilson's a full fledged chauvinist. Hole. God bless them all. God bless all the incorruptible truth seekers like Baron Candace and Tucker at all. At all. There's a lot of work doing in that at all. Day six. May God bless you and keep you and your family. Esther's hope. I don't know what day six. Oh, are you just day six of sobriety? Yeah, because Thursday was like day three. So you're almost past the hard part. Just keep your head down a couple more days and then it's all mental. By like Thursday, you'll be fine. You'll be sleeping better. You're probably sleeping like crap right now and that's okay. There's a biochemical reason that's happening. Just get past it. Just get past it. Everything will level out. It'll take a little while for all those brain chemistry things to level out, but you'll be fine. Hang in there, Esther. Hang in there. God bless you. Andrew Wilson has arrived now showing the text. Good. Good for him. I'm a counselor. I'm tardy in catching up watching you, at 2X, and then you play the clips at one and a half speed. I'm feeling a bit dizzy. I only played them at one and a quarter. So 2X would only be two and a half. You could try to hang out there. Smoke Boy single-handedly destroying the market for seat edge sellers known colloquially as Big Chair. Yeah, he's crushing Big Chair. Those cigarettes have affected his gray matter. Shrunk it, so to speak. I posted on X earlier. We need to start a crowdfund bounty to have you debate him or any other reputable source. I'll begin with a pledge of $100. We can officially get this established. What say you? About $3 million. I already gave you my price. He's not worth less than that. He's supposedly the best in the world. No, I mean, look, it's obvious I don't think he paid the money, so why not get as much as you can? Don't crowdfund it. Let him pay it. Let him pay it. Hey, B, I think Smoke Boy's opening was written by EK or TPSA to get what they wanted out there. I kept yelling, idiot. Shaked my head. Candace was great. We love you. Jesus loves you. Again, I'm not going to say he's not smart enough to write an opening. Now, he might have had help on what they wanted to see in the opening. I don't know. Absolutely think you should debate Smoke Boy. It'll be spectacular destruction of his career. Your grasp on the evidence is overwhelming. I'll do it for three minutes. What can he say that will defend the claim that the evidence is overwhelming? He's already said he doesn't believe it's overwhelming. It's 80% convincing to him. I'll do it. But for three million, I'll do it. I'll do it. I need retirement money if I'm going to do this. Finally catching you live. My husband and I have watched every show for months, and you're incredible. Daisy, too. I'm 34, a mom, and went back to school a couple years ago. Pre-law, you inspire me daily. Taylor, I hope you're doing well in your studies. Buckle down, school year's starting. And thank you for the kind words. PVD was fine, but I wish he had retained, reigned in the debaters to stick to the claims. Smoke Boy was focused on getting Candace to make libel statements with questions that were outside the boundaries of the debate. You know, her claim to defend was that Tyler Robinson was a patsy. Now, what PVD maybe should have done is said, okay, Candace, state your claim that Tyler Robinson is a patsy. Give us the evidence. You have the opening. The floor is yours. And then at that point, though, Smoke Boy gets to ask her questions about her claim. And I didn't have a problem with that part. Smoke Boy should have called Joe via phone-a-friend concession for logic guidance. Surely Joe has read the book by now. Yeah, Smoke Boy could use it. Candace, 4.29 million. PVD, 1.55 million. Smoke Boy, 414,000. Love to you. That's pretty telling, frankly. Imagine paying 300,000 to have a face-to-face three-hour conversation, one of the greatest minds of our time, and leaving the room even dumber. I'm really curious about the text. PVD had time to see when he had Candace's phone. His facial expressions were interesting, and he had ample amount of time to scroll. He seemed surprised when he read the ones encouraging her. Yeah, I mean, I don't think we should be looking. I mean, I'm not curious about what the texts say, because that's her phone. It's her private phone. I'm surprised she turned it over, but I understand why she did, to prove a point. Smoke Boy's an idiot for even raising the issue. I remember after Erica met with Candace in December, Erica waited until she confirmed Candace didn't have a copy of Charlie's text to security before claiming it said he was worried about the left. Correct. That would have been a good time to release it. If text genuine, even more concerning, no security on the roof. I'm sure Candace did discuss this text previously anyway. Pam Bondi and Kash Patel will soon distribute binder bursting with positive and overwhelming evidence. I think they've already tried that one, and she doesn't work there anymore. According to Smoke Boy, the first word of the text was yes. Sounded like a response to a question from Charlie. Why not include that question? Maybe he will. Maybe he will. TP made how much ghoul off of Charlie Kirk? Yeah, a lot. And keep in mind, somebody said they bought a Freedom t-shirt, and it was to the Charlie Kirk network, like radio podcast. Not through TPSA. So there was profit there, presumably, unless they sold it at cost. I don't know. James Q. Whitman theory provide moral comfort for jurors. What do you think? I have no idea what that means. So can Charlie Kirk sent two texts saying they will kill him? Smoke Boy read the left is trying to kill me. The text we've seen is a general day that he sent texts like that often. If not, why two of them in those days? I have a theory on that. I'm not going to go into it today. But I have a theory on why he was sending texts thinking people were going to kill him. Barron society wants to change the meanings of words. This must stop. Do you agree? Overwhelming equals convinced. Woman equals whatever the left says. This would be a great open on how society has changed the meaning of words. Words change over time. I mean, language is somewhat fluid, to be honest with you. I mean, the word literally, for example, did not mean actually back in the day. It meant fictionally, literally, like you would read in books. And now we use it to mean actually. I mean, words change. Words change. Blake uses the word ghoul. Roger. Doesn't this text message give more credence to the crime involving more than a lone gunman? Yes, because how would he have gotten word that Tyler Robinson wanted to kill him if he was playing this by himself? That's a good question. That's a good point there, American Sunlight. It's a great point. For him to have enough fear to write that, there had to be evidence, perhaps, that he was looking at. Was Tyler Robinson part of a, you know, large coordinated effort? Why is it that so many of the men on Smokeboy's side sound like they have a clothespin on their nose and vice below the belt? Because they have low testosterone. Candace made $26.16 per second, and Smokeboy didn't want her to speak for 18 seconds while waiting for his video clip. And she still made $471. Yeah, that's when you put it that way, when you put it that way. Ben, did you notice how much Smokeboy twitches? His mouth, neck, not only his foot, but his head is busy, busy, busy. He's nuts, almost like he's on drugs. I looked at other debates and not near as much. Thoughts? He's probably nervous knowing he's getting smoked. Can you imagine texting your security you're concerned for your safety, specifically asking them to focus on your safety, and the security team leaves the roofs unattended? No, I can't. I can't at all. Especially when everybody that walked in that has spoken on the issue from TPSA is like, yeah, I was really worried about the roofs. Okay, then don't put them out there as a sitting duck. That's the answer. You stop it, you get the situation resolved, or you don't go out there. Started watching you from the beginning from your Google Trends episodes. Why isn't this talked about more? Wasn't even Tyler Robinson's lawyer on it? You're the best. Crisis king indeed. Indeed she was. Miss Dester was. I don't know why people don't talk about it. Hey, B. Why does Smoke Boy sound so much like Ben Shapiro? I didn't notice that, but apparently he does. You guys have all noticed it. If the text message was true, do you think Charlie Kirk would say, I'm somewhat worried the Jews may kill me after his pleas were already ignored? He couldn't trust anyone around him and wanted officers at UVU? I don't think the text is real. His fragile ego was evident when he got to see a narcissist collapse live. Watching his pale, sweaty face concede to reasonable, doubtless priceless. Pale and sweaty, huh? Okay, I'll give you that. I'll allow it. Erica said Charlie never said he was scared for his life the night before the event. Then he says he has a text probably from America saying exactly. Yeah, I didn't play that. That clip of Erica. See if I can find it real quick. Yeah, here it is. You play this real fast. This is good. I hope it doesn't have stupid music over it. So many people do that. Charlie responded with this. Okay, great. That was a message sent September 9th. But he was not messaged. He was not messaging people the day before saying I'm going to be murdered. They're coming after me. Someone's going to kill me. He didn't he didn't say that. And I had his cell phone. I mean. And I have his cell phone. Girl, you don't look real good right now. If we're being honest, you look like a liar or well, you're liar now or then. I don't know. One of them, you know, overwhelming is an adjective that describes something so intense, powerful or great in number that it is difficult to fight against, manage or resist. Duly noted. Thank you, Benny. Likes Johnson high five. Indeed, again, it's his family name. I'm sure he likes it a lot. Pickles was whining about our overwhelming attacks. So he means our reasonable and convincing attacks. Right? And yeah, exactly. Exactly. I'm convinced it wasn't a debate. He never shut up. It's OK for him to rely on hearsay, blurred images and government circumstantial information. But she she couldn't have circumstantial correlation. He was served Crow. I agree. I don't like when you guys type in all caps, it's hard for me to read. Smoke was terminally overwhelmed. Joe. Pesci. Would have read it more convincingly. Well, Joe Pesci is a pro smoke boy is not apparently Candace's pay. Yep, I got that. You got the well, no, he's got more than 96,000 views. So I think I don't think that's accurate. Do we know anyone who took his class at TPSA? Um, I, so I put up on X that I didn't believe he was there to teach a debate class and one guy, Kai Schwimmer, who I've never heard of. I have, I mean, I've heard the name, but I've never seen the guy in action. I know nothing. About him. He said he recalls him being there teaching debate. I'm sure he's super believable. Super believable. No one else. Those come forward. You should listen to Andrew make excuses right now on his live stream. He's been probably binge binge drinking since Friday afternoon. Yeah, not right. Face looks fat and puffy like an alcoholic. Funny how CK was never afraid of the left until a narrative demanded it demanded it 11 months after his death. Oceanfront home in Arizona. Anyone Bueller Bueller? Let's find a winner. Takes all challenge. For Gare bear or tater to sprint across the rocky, low sea roof in Chuck's case. Closed tiny souls. No pad. If you know, you know, uh, I, uh, are you saying it would hurt his feet? No, what you're saying? I'm not sure it would leave a footprint. They claimed it did. Overwhelming is an adjective that is, yeah, I just read that. Sorry. I believe you. I agree with you. Baron YouTube is running 30 to 60 second commercial right over you about every two to three minutes. It's split. Screen was sound over. No way to rewind or skip just FYI. Thanks for what you do. Crisis King and thankful. Jesus loves us all. I did not know they were doing that, but, um, you know, YouTube premium will get you out of the ads. I don't know. You know, uh, shout out to you saying was when you speak, I didn't know. I said that weird until someone pointed it out the other day, Charlie Kirk texting left wants to unalive me. Maybe true. But someone. Arranging his unaliving could have fed him that thought without, uh, thought knowing it would make lone gay furry Patsy believable. Plus leftists had just cursed him with Etsy wishes. So it was on his mind. That's kind of my theory is that whoever was planning to remove him would have been feeding him that narrative so that he would be saying it or be fearful of it. Please explain the contract. Why couldn't CO ask questions? Did you see PBD post on YouTube? I did not. I did not see his post on YouTube, but, um, I don't, I haven't seen the contract. I'm assuming Candace will explain it. She said she was planning to explain how the behind the scenes stuff happened. Um, I don't know why she was not able to ask questions. He asked question during her part and he asked questions during his part. So why could maybe the thing was, you're not allowed to ask me any questions. I don't know. I wonder if smoke boy debate training was actually this and he invoiced TPSA an extra $300,000 for it so that could plausibly deny this. Train wreck. Thanks for everything you and Daisy do crisis king indeed. Um, so that's kind of my theory. Uh, I posted that on X that I don't think he was debate training at all, but I think he was there and they figured that our sources would let us know he was there. Good figuring. And so this was giving them an out. This is giving them an out watching the crucible right now. Scope is epic. You can only comment if you're a subscriber. What a loser loser. Where's Tom? Tom cruise. You can't handle the truth. Where's my cousin Vinnie? Both good movies, both good movies. I hope can is saying lullabies all night to that poor baby. Listening to his voice was grueling. Can't wait. Stop talking about smoke boy. He's not a high IQ. Uh, the debate, which it was not was painful. Um, yeah, I'm not going to spend much more time on smoke boy after today. Has there been any GSR testing on TR? I have no idea. Or GSR testing on the roof. I have no idea. The gun wasn't fired. No way. The dogs missed it. If it were Christ is King. Indeed. I don't know any of that, but I assume you're probably right on that last point. You can be overwhelmed. You can be underwhelmed. Can you ever just be whelmed quote from 10 things? I hate about you. Love you, Baron. Christ is King. Indeed. I've not read that book. Um, but I believe you that it's in there. I believe you, uh, but, but Baron, I'm still waiting to hear about the amazing things. The amazing Mikey McCoy is going to produce what happened to him. Please explain. Love you. Love you more. Um, I don't know what happened to Mikey. He's kind of disappeared. He shows up every now and then, but kind of disappeared. Why do you think she didn't bring up the parking garage footage? Um, I don't know. Don't know the answer to that. Hey, man. What are your thoughts? Concerns on Erica visiting Tucker. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Hey, man. Concerns on Erica visiting Tucker could be nothing, but it doesn't sit well with me. Christ is King. Indeed. Perhaps it was innocent, but I don't. I think I think Tucker had started talking out on this issue and all of a sudden she shows up. Allegedly. My opinion. Google ASL for overwhelming. It gives a great visual. The word really shows its weight. Also, my baby girl falls asleep to you and cries if it ends. She's on the right track. Candace destroyed. Smoke Boy saw some great clips on Monica's podcast. Nihilist with a twist. I'm a great person to have on a member show. Christ is King. Indeed. It's overwhelming. The smoke boy was very underwhelming. I've been watching you since your Google Trend. Google finds in this case. You're amazing, Baron. Thank you for all you do and finding the truth. Christ is King. Indeed. Thank you. Joker Bean. Very kind. Very kind. One of two. You're making him alive right now. That'll be good for his mental health. Baron is very cool to see Candace go into her mind palace. Her consolidation, her retention and retrieval of information. info was impressive smoke boy was a high schooler during mock trial no contest whatsoever he wasn't even that good frankly why is the security footage given to news outlets a person in roof way clearer than court footage keep up the great work we've been asking that question but smoke boy is now smoked boy yeah he is don't say the earth is round when the bible says it's stationary bad example examine it don't trust science above god's word thank you duly noted duly noted uh pickle smoker got dismantled pickle smoker i don't think that's what that means i think that means something else he only succeeded at obfuscating from the topics and playing semantic games christ is king indeed candace is knowledgeable oh c-i-k-k this is knowledgeable she's knowledgeable indeed hi baron this is off topic a bit however with co having a case with bh is co able to ask for ck's phone since aw just claimed text exists between ck and his security team thank you for all you do if they get to the discovery stage i would certainly ask for it professional prego principal i'll allow it give an opportunity would you go on pbd um yeah probably i like you know i liked him back in the day it's just been the last couple years he's gotten weird i might be if it was a he opted to take out charlie kirk and the case against tr is dismissed what happens then who continues the investigation i'm from australia so not familiar with how the u.s system works christ is king indeed i don't think we have to worry about that i do not think the case is going to be dismissed but on the off chance that it is um it would be on the utah utah county uh attorney's office to to continue finding or the sbi to continue finding uh who did it who killed charlie kirk how and why you hey b just want to share that i was baptized today and feel so blessed god bless you christ is king indeed that is wonderful news congratulations to you jamie james jamie jams congratulations can't believe how comfortable tpsa is are in blaming it all on tyler making him the villain yeah yeah i can't either yeah they just they're their number one guy just admitted the case is in fact not overwhelming at all and yet they want to kill him kill him i turned 50 on friday my fiance asked me what i wanted for my birthday my reply i want you to take the day off and watch the debate with me he did and i was happy i don't need trinkets that sounds like quality time i'm glad you guys did that that sounds amazing i stopped trying to get smoke boy to understand how badly he just nuked his career in order to be here team candace going max well good for you good for you uh from way over in mount vernon washington on x project constitution video hoodie boys sneaking in the back with stank turd snick turd stick what do you think i'm going to i don't think it's a hooded guy i don't think he's a hood man can you shout out my teenage daughter elizabeth she's always asking me about what you're talking about every day and you inspired us to start a youtube channel congratulations jeffrey congratulations let's all go max crisis king indeed uh elizabeth congratulations on getting your dad up off the couch no i'm kidding jeffrey i'm kidding i'm kidding uh but i hope you uh i hope you guys stick with it i hope you stick with it more voices is always better why is the fbi holding evidence at all the crime happened entirely i've been asking myself that question over and over since a smoke boy included me in debate i'm 100 sure he's not the tard okay to be honest a 70 iq man considers 75 overwhelming oh we're calling him 70 iq now two standard deviations below normal uh merch idea baron playing cards oh no we don't need that you get a pack of bikes for under four that's a great card for the price uh smoke boy got smoked he made no sense my b in my opinion is just an attempt for co to expose her sources he kept pressing her about it uh but she saw right through him now i understand why she and ck were literally two peas in a pod candace and charlie kirk brilliant minds crisis king indeed um shy i tend to agree with you i tend to agree with you that the debate was not to prove the evidence was overwhelming obviously he did not agree with you he did not agree with you he did not agree with you he did he didn't even try to defend that smoke boy had food in his teeth he didn't come prepared did he really did he did he really i'm trying to find a uh a close-up of smoke boy i don't see i believe you i believe you what was the name of the book about catholic orthodox uh i don't know what that oh you mean rome sweet home that's the book i usually recommend to people who are curious rome sweet home it's a good read it's good read if candace couldn't ask a question in the third section of the debate based on the contract why was he able to not ask non-stop questions when it was her turn i don't know i hope we find out smoke boy in his dream says he is overwhelming new evidence than fort huachuca aka alibi texts security and he's dripping it out this week i smell bull butter i do as well i do as well why would they wait until now that's stupid baron please talk about the bait so tpsa or clowns could sue what bait i've been following this case for a while and just now subbing to you cheers keep up the great work thank you alan appreciate that everybody should subscribe if they have not quality content smoke boy has little femme hands grosses me out why'd you say it that way why did you say it that way uh we know frank turk yanks and banks now we've discovered that smoke boy is shaking and faking or twitching and complaining it's all i can say there i just have to gloat i was one of the few ah it was one of the few that voted other regarding candace's hair i just have never seen her hair up in a battle bun during interviews or public speaking crisis king indeed well you knocked that one out of the park i'll allow it i'll allow it uh 36 feet of gauze isn't enough for smoke boy's burns after that good callback video proof i'm waiting a smoke boy requesting to be hired by tpsa as conspiracy theorist liaison july 2026 warren smith's channel name of video is 28 andrew wilson joins turning point and goes to war with candace owens uh i don't know that i'll pull that up to a show on the show because he's a foul mouth but i'll i will pull it up to watch later what'd you call it uh warren smith uh andrew wilson uh i'm gonna need more than that let's see here uh goes uh andrew wilson tp usa goes to war um there we go got it okay i'll pull it up i'll watch it later i'll watch it later thank you 529 you say 529 i'll go ahead and get close oh it's most replayed must be where he said it um um thank you andrew wilson's hand fist touching his face and boot shaking was in sufferable and overwhelming does it seem like pbd's two questions to ceo were meant to get her to admit her claims about erica and ally were based on gut feeling not evidence seems like that was the entire point of the debate i mean she she's not allowed to have an opinion she can't have an opinion i've seen every show of yours and i love your humor you made me laugh more tonight than i ever than ever before i needed it tonight thank you crisis king indeed i don't know what's going on in your life but i hope it gets better i really feel like i'm going to have a good time you're an awesome big bro to candace b i don't know how to clone a phone i mean do you have to like stick something in it or i don't know maybe love your show thanks for such great commentary doing my best out here ladies and gentlemen he made the case for her smaller round means tr was set up his gun was a 30 at 6 not a 223 or 9 millimeter but yeah ammunition is key keep talking agreed clarify pbd posted smoke boy reading the text from charlie on youtube is fact erica kirk said no such test text existed i'm just saying not impressed with pbd he's biased agreed i mean i agree he's biased but i thought he did a good job on that day i don't know not vouching for the man be in jury please keep me in your prayers being checked for second brain aneurysm need to be fused in neck and lumbar spine still waiting for thyroid nodule ultrasound and lost a family member crisis king indeed we will pray for you um with faith in you we'll pray for you i'm sorry you're going through all that genuinely aw said for the debate his purpose for debating co is because the left have to be crushed there was no intention to debate in good faith i agree with you well he didn't debate in good faith uh just with his foot alone smoke boy could raise more fed slop in an hour than an australian bush turkey all right i'd never heard i finally got my hubs to watch you and candace on this case slowly but surely i'll be having him watch live your commentary on this is perfection praying for you and family for tomorrow thank you for all you do thank you i appreciate that genuinely uh talk about buyer's remorse maybe pay for some dental care since that's more overwhelmingly evident. My B, much love from Birmingham, Alabama. Do you think Smoke Boy knows that evidence and proof aren't the same thing? Can you give us a quick lesson on the difference? Thank you for your God-honoring influence. I tried to do that earlier. First try on the cards. Good, good, good God. Yeah, yeah, that was crazy, wasn't it? I just, that was shuffled. That was not like by design. That was, that was legit. Candace Owens made Andrew Wilson a positive evidence sandwich. Good, good. I agree with you. We got a baby boy. Thanks, Baron. Oh, did he finally have the baby? I knew she was like any minute now. I was surprised he was on a podcast last night. I watched it, I watched it. I believe 100% Toilet Paper USA wrote the whole opening statement or at least helped with it. Smoke Boy is a joke. I agree with that last part. I do agree with that last part. Andrew Wilson is so arrogant that he wanted to debate with a challenger. Someone worthy of debating him. Candace is the only one he felt was worthy of debating. Well, thank you. Baron, I'm glad Candace got 300 grand for that debate. So it wasn't a complete waste of time for her. Andrew, just eat your strawberries. Strawberries. What's going on with the strawberries? I've seen Kathy Nestor, ADA in Clark County, prosecute a man. Edrick Faust with no to little evidence. A lot of evidence against the boyfriend of Tara Baker. Crazy trial and I don't trust her. I'll take your word for it. I've never heard any of that. Mutational falsetto. A condition in which a male still speaks in a high childlike falsetto voice after puberty. Like Michael Jackson. Can you talk like this? I did like Michael Jackson. We actually listened to Michael Jackson today. Could this be why Ben, Mark, and Smoke, sound like they're permanently stuck in puberty? It could be. Daisy Baron, we need a pickle jar sticker. You're asking the wrong people. That's Nurse Casey's role. My super on Friday was wrong. Andrew Wilson didn't try to trap her into defamation. He was very transparent about it. So who is behind the $300,000 effort to shut her up down? Thanks, B and Daisy. Big hugs to y'all. I don't know. I don't know. Whoever paid the freight. The way Smoke Boy is shaking his foot to me is a telltale sign he was not being truthful or knows he's losing this. In my opinion, of course. Yeah, yeah. Your heartfelt words about Candace were so moving and most likely why she and Charlie had such an unshakable bond. The rest is future. Justice for Charlie. Well, I meant every word of it. I mean, I'm in awe of her intellect. Genuinely. Very genuinely in awe. She's a remarkable person. A.W. seems to be confusing proof with evidence. Candace provided mounds of evidence. He can say he doesn't like it or finds it unconvincing. That does not equal no evidence. But they're not a high IQ outfit. So that was my point. I was making that exact same point. Go Max and Christ is king indeed. Much love from Canada. Even though y'all talked bull butter about us, maybe. Well. You guys ride mooses and drink syrup. What am I supposed to do? I'll give you a pass because the truth behind our government lies as well. Yeah. That's the thing. You had Fidel Castro's son as a premier or whatever you guys call prime minister. Do you think he tried to get her to say something so he could sue her? Probably. Probably. Also, what's your take on the fast foot? Charlie warned about taking on CEO. Feel like Charlie's proud. Thanks for all your team does. I don't really have a take on the fast foot. Some people are twitchy. I mean, I move around a lot. Puddy's role was to man spread through the debate. Well, he succeeded. He succeeded. We got an eye full of PBD. PBD's. Well, I'm not going to say it. I think when people demand that she show evidence for her claims, they really want proof. They don't realize it's not her burden to provide proof. Love hearing your take on the debate, my B. Thank you. I appreciate that. Daily Freddo shared that ghoul is a common word used by Blake Neff. Andrew Wilson's opening statement uses the word ghoulish. Coincidence? A.W. read it like he was reading the back of a cereal box. Indeed. Edge! As you remark on CO's phenomenal mind, I'm reminded of CK's brilliance and how he could spar with anyone, any time, any topic. His references were impeccable. Is that what the refs stand for? He would have affected change. We needed him, and they knew it. I agree with you. I agree with you there. I can't believe I'm saying this, but A.W. has frog belly hands. What the hell's a frog belly hand? I'm looking it up. Is that a thing? Frog belly hands. I don't know what that is. I'm a little scared to look. Frog belly hands. I'm trying to find a picture of him with the hands out. Oh. What are you saying? He's got little. Stumpy fat hands? That's what I see. I'm not going to knock a man for having stumpy fat hands, but he could train. He could go to the gym. Hey, B. You would. Yeah, one would think Trump would be concerned when Candace gave him this info, being she did help him get elected. But we know why he wasn't. Well, you must have an opinion why he wasn't. But, Baron, I could never understand how my dad could watch the O.J. trial day in and day out. Now I find myself totally enthralled by this case. Thank you for the high-IQ content. The one from Lewiston, Idaho. Lewiston, Idaho? Mr. Wiggles! That's how long I've been with you. Fantabulous job. Love you. Love, love you. Hit the like button, people. Yeah, Mr. Wiggles was early when people didn't realize I moved around so much and were, like, taken back by it. Why does he move so much? Sit still. You're driving me crazy. I'm like, eh, get over it. I can't help it. Hey, my B. Andrew's almost as uncomfortable. Unconvinced that it's Tyler as Lance is. Much respect from our household. We love Baron. Crisis king indeed. Thank you. Is he really calling himself the master debater? That's the C.K. thing. South Park did a whole show on Charlie Kirk calling him the master debater. Sounds like it came from TPSA trying to use him as their new C.K. Well, that would be a disaster if they try that. We need a Candace Defeats Pickle Boy shirt. Well, I'm not going to sell her name on a shirt. Smokeboy showed overwatching Overwhelming evidence. Oh, but we do have a cool shirt coming. I don't want to spoil the surprise, but I like it a lot. I'm going to buy one. Smokeboy showed overwhelming evidence he has no knowledge of the case. He has no interest in this case at all. $300,000 spent to humiliate himself. P.T. found low IQ to try C to incriminate herself. All right. I agree. The greatest part of Smokeboy is too dumb and narcissistic to even feel the embarrassment and shame he should have. I would never show my face in public again. Well, that's a little harsh. Maybe a three-month vacation and he can come back. My B. This may be my favorite RBP episode to date. Thank you for all you do. Christ is king indeed, and Jesus loves you. Oh, Jesus loves you too. I saw why the humble host will not debate the case with anyone at this point, especially with someone that is really not interested in truth. They will disagree, and there's no point made definitively. Yeah, I mean, it's just a waste of time. So unless you're just getting a massive, massive payday, why do it? Three million. I'll let you be dishonest all day long if I can get a nice, fat retirement out of it. That doesn't mean I'm retiring. It means I'll put it away for retirement. Was it our humble host that offered C.O. $5,000 to get the word pickle in the debate? I kid, I kid. We love you, Barrett. You'll never know. But she did. I did not. Don't mock women with cats. A couple days ago, Valhalla VFT is a major cat lover. The greatest single and later married childless cat lady was Charlie Kirk's hero, Rush Limbaugh. It's just a thing. It's a trope. Why would C.K. message Nick Shirley the night before the Big Bang and ask him to be on the C.K. show the next day while texting that he was fearful of his life at an interview at an event at UVU? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Edge, to be honest, Candace seemed to be stalling to recall the charges, too. She scored, but she seemed to stall. Maybe just making him sweat. Precisely. That's exactly what she was doing. Precisely what she was doing. Barbecue burnt ends for dinner. Succulent, that is all. Wait, that is not all. Sir, it was great to see you get flowers from other creators. Made me proud to be part of such a community well-deserved. Oh, thank you, Mr. Com. Thank you. And I hope the burnt ends were delicious. In fact, when I posted my food the other day on my little ex-subscriber thing, someone said, I wonder what Mr. Com had. So you're internationally famous, sir. It's so clear who truly loves and cares for Charlie. Angela, thank you. That's very kind. When Candace said Charlie's legacy was his children, not TPUSA, I cheered. It's as if his children are an afterthought to them. Thank you, Candace and Baron, for fighting for the truth for those who loved and admired Charlie like you do. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. It was very kind of you, Ed. Angela, very, very, very kind. The whole point of marriage is for the man to open the jars. Baron, my priest, would beg to differ. Well, I know that's not the Catholic definition of marriage. I mean, I get that, but it's one major point. I'm a professional jar opener. Kids, wife. That's why I was so confident I would be able to open that one. Since when has Charlie been so full of himself enough to say, remember, they are there for one person's security only? That seems to go against everything we knew about him. Don't believe at all. I also had trouble with that line. Like, is he just doesn't care if everyone else dies as long as he lives? I mean, that doesn't sound very, doesn't sound like him. Doesn't sound like the Charlie we've been sold anyway. Even Destiny, who's not a Candace fan, laughed at Smoke Boy and his pathetic performance. It was pathetic. I'm guessing. They will say Candace had an earpiece that provided answers. Since he had an earpiece on X, then they want rematch. Double homicide. Christ is king indeed, my B. My B? Today. He said that today. Oh, yes, yes, yes. I did say that on X. He called his wife retarded. I wasn't going to comment tonight because my last two comments were late in the game and felt redundant, but had to. You or Ian could have debated as devil's advocate better than he did. Pickle bet is best. You know, it's funny you say that because I made a comment to a friend of mine the other day by text after the debate. I honestly believe I could have walked in there and made not a compelling case that the evidence is overwhelming, but at least a case the evidence is overwhelming. And then it would have been up to the viewer to decide. He didn't even try. He didn't even try. Like, I can take the evidence and try to make the case. I mean, people might not be convinced, but at least I would have. Put a case forward. Watch this, PBD. I'm about to dump all over this guy. That's what she did. I can see it in her eyes. You can see it in her eyes. You don't have to use words to communicate. Your face is enough a lot of times. I mean, if you walk in and your wife gives you this. Do you feel like you've done something wrong? Yes. Yes. No. See? See? Communicate. Smoke Boy should have run away the moment he saw the hyena over her shoulder. Well, I mean, she had a picture of a hyena, but it's two-dimensional. I don't think it would have caused much of a problem. Candace is already a queen, but she deserves higher. Can we call her goddess? No shade on moon, of course. Edge, you can call her whatever you want. You can call her whatever you want. Baron, I think this is my favorite show of yours. I think PBD went in on Fedslop's side and came out not so much. God bless the truth-tellers. I tend to agree with that. I think PBD came out and was like, ooh, what was that? Ross Perot's copter in which he circumnavigated the globe is at. Udvar? Is that how you pronounce that? Udvar Hazy Center? Udvar Hazy Center? Chantilly, Virginia. Also, there's the Enola Gay, SS Discovery, and SR-71, a Concord. Everyone should take their kids. What is this, an advertisement? Well, thank you. Thank you for sharing that. I used to be fascinated with the SR-71 Blackbird. I knew when I was a kid, my mom bought me a book on it for some reason. I have no idea why, but I read it cover to cover like 35 times. Had every fact memorized, top speed, the way that the plane had to be fueled a certain way. And how the plane itself flexed. I mean, I was fascinated with the plane. If text is real, it would show security team liable for having known and deciding to put up a tent instead of being at Charlie Kirk's side or checking vulnerable areas before Charlie Kirk also having security do that was also new per former TP employee. All right. I agree with you. I agree with you. I wish a Brigitte doll would have been sitting behind PBD. I think they moved the Brigitte doll to put up his logo. His logo was back there. Apparently, the live streaming of a woman hammering a man for three hours in a basement doesn't go against YouTube's community guidelines. No, no. If Bullbutter was a person, it would look like Smoke Boy. Thank you, Baron, for all you do to keep this investigation going. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The only thing Smoke Boy proved was that his leg works. And it did. And it did. And it did. This money is. That's the principal. This money is from Andrew Wilson. Well, now she's down to $299,950, guys. $299,950. And she's got a great sense of humor. That actually made me laugh, Candace. Thank you. That was very, very funny. Very, very funny. Golly, that's funny. The Prego is here. Oh, no. She's in the house. We're so proud of you, Candace. That is funny. I'm just here to watch Candace troll Andrew. Oh, that's amazing. That's amazing. Baron, I'll watch this episode again because when Candace dropped that super chat, all of us here started high-fiving. You couldn't listen. Well, you can watch it. You know, what time was that? 706. Yeah. That would have been right at the end of the show. That is funny. That is funny. Who paid the $300,000? I don't think it came from him. If it did, it was a gross, a gross misuse of family resources. Like, nothing in his record suggests he has $300,000 to throw away. I don't know Candace personally and was beaming with pride. I wanted to thank those who prayed for my family as we laid my mom to rest. I feel I'm moving and I'm sustained. He's still worthy of praise. Thank you and love you all. Thank you, Tabby Gale. That was very, very kind of you. Very, very kind to give us an update there. Thank you. Even the left is following Candace about this case. That's correct. That's correct. That's correct. Zammett, I'm not going to read that one. I thank you kindly for the generous donation, but I'm not going to read that one. They hate that Candace controls the greatest power of all, the narrative. Oh, unless you're saying it should have been her debating. I'll allow that. I thought you were saying, like, safety things. But I think what you're saying is it should have been Erica Kirk debating, not anyone else. I will allow that, and thank you, Zammett, for the very kind donation. I was scrambling in my head trying to make that so I could read it. And I agree with you. I agree with you. It should have been. It's because she tells. It's because she tells the truth. Because she follows the evidence. I mean, that's why. So, do you think the debate was just about getting the text message in front of her audience, stating that it was the left he was concerned with, and for her to say something that gets her sued? I think it was D, all of the above. All of the above. Smokeboy said he had a brain fart for getting charges, but he proved himself a liar when he genuinely asked her, follow-up questions about specifics of the charges, showing it was his first time hearing them. Well, he certainly didn't read them well enough to prepare. I'll give you that. I'll give you that. Shabos Kestenbaum posted on Instagram yesterday that apparently now the screwdriver was used to open the roof door. I haven't seen this anywhere. I haven't either. I haven't either. I have not seen that. I don't even know that there's a roof door. I think you just walk right on the roof from the stairs. That's ludicrous. 11-month, multi-million dollar propaganda campaign. The campaign is failing in epic fashion. Pray for TR's safety and justice for Charlie. Candace really embracing St. Joan. She is. She absolutely is. Watching this debate felt like a Knights and Knaves logic puzzle, except the Knight brought receipts and the Knave brought increasingly elaborate definitions of why the receipts don't count. I'll give you that. I'll give you that. Andrew reminded me of a teenage version of myself, full of ignorance and false confidence. You're pretty hard on yourself. I understand everything. The body language of the foot shake and the hand to the mouth. What's the next move now, TPUSA? It sounds like they're going to manufacture a bunch of fake evidence and dump it out and act like it's true and try to recapture the narrative. But if they had this the whole time, they would not be waiting for 11 and a half months to start dumping this stuff out. They're trying to salvage their one-year party they're wanting to have in 24 days. That's what they're trying to salvage. Because right now they are getting terrible press. Terrible press. Bear, my wife and I will still be praying for you tomorrow while you take your son to college. Such a bittersweet time. Sending love from Gulf Breeze, Florida. I've been to Gulf Breeze, Florida. It's a beautiful little place. Beautiful little place. Hi, I wonder if the utility van with the module thingy on top that you found near campus was part of TPUSA utilizing geofencing for the UVU event? Take care of yourself. God bless you. I don't think they need. I don't think they need any. anything on the ground, any hardware on the ground to geofence. I think it's all done by satellite. Barong, get that three milli, my guy. I hope they will pay it. I will be on a plane. Where do you want me to go? Get a hell of a security team for three million. And I'll give Canister 50 bucks back. I'll say this came from Andrew Wilson. How is this boy still sitting behind bars all alone in solitary confinement a year now on Suicidal Watch with no clear evidence, no 4K Flock Cam, the sloppy care of Charlie, the sloppiest case. Yeah, when you put it that way. That makes sense. I mean, it's tough to stomach. Three million a year is the Israeli payment for the USA influencers per influencer. Well, I know where they can spend it. I'll be happy. I'll be happy. For Daisy's Lexus fund. Daisy, you're $20 closer. Not sure if you're up for it, but what about reciprocity in Utah? I know directly from Florida won't work, but you've been practicing in Tennessee. Can you can see can be your PL happy to help too. If you need it, I'm a one. I'm not going to represent Tyler. He's got a defense team that people have offered and he is as far as I know, declined. My wife and I won't say hi live, but we're going to rewind. Be kind and rewind. We were still watching Ian Carroll's run through, and that took a few hours, if you know, and it was time well spent. He did a great job on it. Smoke Boy will be Matt Walsh's replacement when the contract is up. He's so much like Midget Horse Whisperer Ben. Do we know when Matt Walsh's contract's up? Because he looks miserable. He looks so miserable. I love how Wickels Pickles schooled Wilson Pickles. Excuse me. That reminds me of Wilson Pickett from Prattville, Alabama. I love how Wilson Pickles schooled Candace Owens and taught her a hard lesson in not letting facts get in his way. He didn't wish Candace Owens would have opened a pickle jar after Andrew finished his opening statement. That would have been too much. Search Andrew Wilson exposes fake conservative girl, your old video at 4:45. He talks crap about CPU TPSA and the women who work there. I've seen it. I've seen it. What is it with the contract? Why did it feel like she had her hands tied? Who can say this? Who can say this quiet part out loud? Love to be in Candace. I think, um, I don't know unless there's a, an NDA or some sort of silence clause in the contract. I think she would be able to either publish it or discuss it. I don't know. We'll find out. I'm wondering where smoke boy went to gunsmith school and where, and when did he do NRA instruction? I don't know. I don't know. Mrs. C and Mr. C deserves a vacation. Stay safe for all of us who believe in the power of Christ and the truth will come sooner or later crisis King indeed should do a retreat with you all. Investing should do a treat with you all. Investing secret location. Huh? Um, I, I am going to be taking some time off at the end of the month. So, uh, more on that in the next week or two, I would argue that feds not contacting steakhouse is more evidence that TR is a Patsy. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and the defense Baron is my, is being my spirit animal and making all the points. I was yelling. My phone while I was watching. Good. Sounds smart. Uh, Hey man, didn't crazy eyes come out right away and say, CK never sent any texts that he thought his life was in danger. She exclaimed that she had his phone. So did you send that before I played it? Probably. I did play that. Uh, the debate felt like those enemies where the pompous student thinks he can take on the master only to find out he is so far out of his league. She beat him without breaking a sweat and kept her poise. She did indeed. She was poised. Poised poised, but, but, but bear on Candace removed smoke boys D Friday. Now he must be called only the master. No, no, no. We're not going to call him that. I'm not going to call him the crisis King and D, but we're not gonna call him that. Will we be able to see Andrew's coaching fee on TPSA disclosure next year? I doubt it. I doubt it. That was if, if, if it was paid, it was probably routed in a way. It's never going to show up. Uh, this brought awareness to more people who are now rethinking the fed slop. They've been sold. Candace calmly and eloquently rocked it. I agree. I think, I think that's what they're terrified of. More people are going to shift to her side. Now I expect her show, uh, tomorrow to be rocking with new people watching. I think Candace deserves the top center photo on your wall. The problem is they're all dead. I'm not going to wish that I like her quite a lot. Hi, Baron. Can the defense call TRS parents to testify? Do you think they will? Should TR defense do that in your opinion? I can't, I can't answer that because I don't know what they would say. Like what, what if he told them I was in on a plan and we knew Tyler, we knew Charlie was going to die, but all I was going to do was dispose of clothes. Or all I was going to do is drive people around. Like they can't call them to testify then. I mean, that would be a disaster. You're going to have them call and hang their kid on another charge. No, no, no, no, no. Can't do that. Can't do that. Uh, not sure you've covered this. Andy S Trey lost the debate by default when he refused to allow the text. He cited to be fact-checked. That was a major component of the rules put in place. He forfeited. Well, yeah, maybe a Baron. There's a video going around on X of someone getting in the back of the SUV, along with Frank Turk. Do you know if the footage is real? If so, do you know who the person is? I assume it's real because it came from, uh, what's the guy's name? Terrell Farnsworth. Oh, he's dead. That guy. Um, I don't know who it is. I can't state definitively who it is. All I can say is based on those couple of frames where we see them, I've taken that footage. I've uploaded into an editor and I've isolated those two frames and I've looked at them very carefully. And it looks like someone who was there that day. It does not look like he's wearing a hood that I can tell. It does not look like he's wearing black at all. Um, but I don't know, and I'm not going to say who I think it is because. Because that would be irresponsible if it then drew a bunch of attention to that person. And, and I don't know for sure, but I don't, I don't think it was anything nefarious. If I'm being honest, someone should have gotten smoke boy, a pair of vans. It would have me at least made him look a little intelligent. I'm not even going to read that next word because I think you're right. Ivan, uh, God bless you and yours and his high IQ outfit. Gary, you're still a big dummy crisis King and D well, that's your opinion. There's a meme out there with a cat playing. Was smoke boys foot on the TV during the debate. That's not a meme. That's a video. I watched it. It was hilarious. He was like smoke boy. Stop shaking your foot. So Candace cannot use her intuition yet. Andy ashtray and TP want to put a value on CK text about his intuition the day before he claimed that he thought a leftist was going to kill him illogical. That's a good point. It's hard to argue with that. I mean, that's an excellent point. I hadn't considered that Colin just did a new episode with Mitch covered Haiti. He's in St. George and showed the message was sent at the same time as the plane was, and he could have sent and could have sent the message because it has that capability crisis King indeed. Oh, except the message was at seven 57, uh, local time, eight 57 central time, seven 57 local time. I don't, I don't know the exact time the plane was circling though. It might still cover. It might still cover, um, two whole days. No sleep defending honorable motivation. And pristine reporting standards and YouTube comments section. That looks like a digital tactical zone. If defending Candace's honor was a paid gig, I'd be buying a yacht by now. I'm the proud owner of all the smoke boy domains. I would love to gift them to you. Let me know. No, hang on to them. They might, they might go up in value and you can make a million bucks. That'd be hilarious. That would be hilarious. Uh, arguing with Andrew Wilson is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are. The bird is going through. The bird is going to doodoo on the board and strut around like a one. Anyway, I've not heard that. That's funny. That's funny. Um, who else has heard that? Charlie had to say grant Cardone during the 10 X growth conference, 2025. He talked about the price of not falling in line. I have not heard that. I don't know what you're talking about. My B do you think the missing spinal cord is part of the negative to cover up? I E, we don't have an explanation. So it's missing. I don't know what that would do. I kind of get this frog belly hand search off my screen. Keep looking over and seeing it. My B do you think, oh, oh, I just read that. I just read that. Consider Wallachia naturally alkaline, a great water choice, rich in silica, supporting connective tissues, health available at Sprouts. Blessings to you and your family crisis. King. Indeed. Indeed. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I've addressed a lot of these already and I'm being a little selective. So if I'm skipping yours, it's probably because I've already addressed it. In my opinion, allegedly, I see sign and symptom of excess chemical stimulants on board. Please seek help. Did you got a podcast deserves a click to see an interesting PI input. I heard on Valhalla that TPSA unfollowed smoke boy during debate. Oh, did they really? Ah, that can't pop. Did they really? Um, I watched a little bit of DeeDee's podcast yesterday. I don't recall the part you're talking about. I don't know what an interesting PI input is, but I did watch part of his podcast. Hey, Baron, interesting for them to hold Candace to the standard of needing to verify card number on the receipt, but screenshots of texts and blurry pics and vids are overwhelming proof. Fake and gay. Fake and gay indeed. That's a good point. They're holding her to a higher standard than they hold themselves to. This has been the best show ever. Thanks for the laughs. Well, I'm just doing my best out here. Do you think he should verify his bank account before he uses his debit card after his painfully dismal performance? EK is probably livid. Watch for eye sparks. Eye sparks? I don't know about eye sparks. I heard another podcaster say TPSA unfollowed Smokeboy on another platform immediately after the debate. Yes. Yeah, that's what someone just said. I don't know if that's true. So this is, I'm going to address this, even though I don't like the question. Smokeboy is actually going with evidence. What is your position on what happened to Charlie? Please back up your claim with evidence. First, he's not going with evidence. He's not. He has no evidence that a 30-06 caused that wound. None. And so, or not the evidence he claimed. So that's first. He's not going with evidence. Now, what is my. My position on what happened to Charlie? I've been very clear about this. If you've watched it any time at all and aren't just a troll, you'll know this. And if not, I encourage you to go back and watch the last 160 episodes or so. They're very good. They're very good. You'll be highly educated by the time you leave. My position is clear. Something moved under his shirt. I'm not sure what it was, but a bullet to the neck did not cause his necklace to fly up into his neck. It didn't cause his Rode microphone to move within two frames to the middle of his shirt. So something happened. We're not sure what that is. We're not sure what that is, but something happened. Something happened under that shirt. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. And you don't have to be happy about it. I'm not trying to convince you. I don't invite people to watch these shows so that I can convince them of a particular narrative. I'm trying to figure out what happened. And the more I can do to investigate, the closer I feel like I can actually get. So if you're being a troll, congrats, you wasted five bucks. If you're being honest, go back and watch the rest of the episodes. They're good. That was excellent, focusing on Smokeboy's opening message that he was reading. What was that about? It was about an agenda my wife and I and all our friends love you. I love your wife and you and all your friends more. Andrew didn't just lose. Candace stripped him of his entire internet identity in real time. That's correct. That's correct. He has nowhere to go now. Bro was hallucinating phone cheating because he couldn't comprehend a prepared adult. I yelled, pack it up. It's over, Smokeboy. Yeah. Yeah. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. Baron. Continue prayers for truth and justice. Love and appreciate all four of you. Four going max. Going to lose men's status now since I want to save $3, but it'll be a new member who has all the deets. And Jesus loves you too. Yeah. For those that don't know the trick to joining the members page, don't join from your Apple device. If you do, open a browser and join from there. Saves you $3 a month. I have no idea why Apple tags on $3. They do nothing. So don't give it to them. Don't give it to them. Join through a browser. Log into your YouTube in a browser and join that way. Save you $3. Running a little behind, but I couldn't let this go by without saying something. No. No, I will not. Hi, Baron. Retired religion professor here. I follow your high IQ podcast from Columbia every day. Columbia. Feeling so proud of Candace today. I plead your support for the GoFundMe campaign. Solidarity for Choco's earthquake victims. I've set deeply grateful Christ is King indeed. Thank you. I do wish you guys well down there. I know it's been a really, really tragic time. Baron, I'm 36 weeks pregnant with my fourth and experience prodromal labor every night while listening to you. My husband is convinced your voice puts me into preterm labor. You're the best. Well, just play me in the hospital while you're. And it'll go quicker. Just put me on the loudspeaker. The whole labor and delivery department will appreciate it if it works. I know, I know. I've been in those departments. I know how fast they want it over. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this ain't her first rodeo. Candace won beyond a shadow of a doubt. That's correct. That's correct. Smoked him. Pop, no smoke. Came across like he needs his testosterone levels checked. They make corrective devices. I mean, the corrective agents, sir. I'm a smoke boy. I mean, you can get a shot, cream. There's all kinds of stuff you can take. Late entry at ATL versus Indiana. We won in overtime. Questions about Charlie Kirk. There's only one person they have to provide security. Doesn't sound like him. Pickles needs some debate training, right? Gonna get caught up now. Love you, Baron. I will go work for TPSA, but it'll cost them a lot of money. But I'll train them up. Am I the only one that couldn't stand both of them? I'm conflating. Fingerprints and DNA. Yeah, that was a little sloppy because they were talking about both issues at the same time. But, I mean, you know, it's a time-crunched debate and a lot going on. Andrew had nothing to say when Candace brought up paving over the crime scene, the SUV being sold, Erica having Charlie's phone evidence. Very shady indeed, indeed. How come no one ever talks about him being in all black on the roof? We have. We have. Baron. Number two. What was with Clam Chowder and his team providing fact checks during the debate if it was supposed to be equal representation for Candace and Andrew? God bless. Glad your soul exists. I'm assuming you're talking about louder with Chowder. I didn't know they were fact-checking. Yeah, I don't know. Seven charges bit is crazy. My mentor in law school was Matt Gonzalez. Made her famous for Kate Steinle case. First thing he had me do with each new case was copy the jury instructions for each charge. Yeah, there's a reason for that. It's the only thing that matters. They've got to prove every element of every charge. First chat message. We need a I can explain it to you, but I can't make you understand it shirt. Love you and your show. That would be Candace's to make. That's her quote. I'm not going to do that. Just want to say you're amazing and thank you for everything you and Candace are doing. We need the truth out. Indeed, we do need the truth out. Maybe regarding the new text evidence. Smokey couldn't and won't produce. Remind them that they're there for one person. Security only just doesn't sound like CK to me. Why would he say that? I had the same question. It sounded very uncharlie like sounded very selfish. I don't think he would say that. And finally caught another live. I'm working, but here, Donna, do your job. Well, don't, you know, don't slack. You, Candace and Zach and your families, along with mine. Truth and peace for the world are always in my rosary intentions. Thank you. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. That was very kind. Don't underestimate the principle. Candace Owens. I found that out when I fell in love with her watching the congressional hearings. Forever epic. She will be. Yeah, she's got a good long history of being an excellent on the, on, on the, uh, off the cuff speaker. Since when did master debaters swap sweat profusely and shake uncontrollably? No wonder TPSA refused to publicly claim their boy. PBD looked stunned by Andrew's lack of professionalism. I would say it's more than just professionalism. Lack of professionalism. It's a lack of preparation. Well, maybe that's professionalism. Professionals are prepared. She was prepared. I was surprised that smoke boy said he watched the preliminary with a lawyer. And yet he still argued that during the preliminary, it was when the defense should have brought their evidence. Maybe he should listen to our humble host. Yeah. Let me clear that up real quick. And I know it's late and, and, uh, but I want to clear this up. So we, we talked about the standard in the preliminary hearing that if the, and I think I did a whole opening on this or if not, I did a segment on it. If the prosecution prevents presents evidence and the D and the defense produces contradictory evidence, right? The judge is not permitted to consider this. He just must. The only thing he's allowed to consider is. This evidence, is it credible? Is it reliable? If it is, he has to consider it. What, what they've done here. This is called weighing. You use that for the jury, not for the judge at the preliminary stage. This is trial court stuff. And so this idea that, well, why didn't they produce this? Why didn't they produce that? But because the prosecution had already produced this. And so all this is going to do is get ignored. So why produce it? That doesn't make it. I mean, it's just people that don't understand how this stuff works. Trying to comment is if they do, and it doesn't make sense. What part of Indiana are you from? I grew up in Martinsville, but now live in Australia. Um, I was born outside of Indianapolis, 20 minutes or so outside of Indianapolis and, uh, lived there till I was eight years old, eight years old. And then I went back to Indiana for law school. I was in Bloomington. Uh, do you think Tyler or whoever's job was to shoot inside the back of the van to create the sound? What role do you think Rick? Cutler played? Uh, I'm not going to answer that last one. Cause I'm not prepared to talk about that right now. The first one. I don't think anyone shot inside the back of the van. I think that would have been horribly reckless. Look where everyone was standing. I mean, that's going to, you twitch wrong, and all of a sudden you shoot some random bystander in the head. I don't think that's right. There were people standing right next to the van. Do you think that PBD was questioning Candace about Candace's double dating with Charlie because somebody told him a different story? I thought the question came out of nowhere. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know why he did that. That was weird. Master debater. Master debater indeed. We've got to be done. We're coming up on four hours. Guys, if you like the show, please, by all means, like it. If you think someone else could find value in it, share it. You know, the shares help a lot. Just click the share button, share it out. If you want to subscribe to the program, just hit the subscribe button. You'll get a little down arrow. You can select all notifications. That'll let you get notified every time we come on. But keep in mind, you have to enable YouTube notifications on your phone. 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But what I mean by that is you've taken a case in which a 23-year-old young man's life is on the line and they've trivialized it. They've trivialized the investigation into the murder of Charlie Kirk. They've turned it into a sport. Not Candace, the people challenging her. Oh, we're going to score more points than you. Then they come out and they're starting to drop. Evidence that they've supposedly been sitting on. Why have you been sitting on evidence? Do you not want to know who killed Charlie Kirk, how and why? Do you not want the people investigating this to have all the information in front of them? You say we shouldn't be investigating it, but then you're holding back from us evidence that you think should make our investigation pointless? Well, if you don't want us investigating it, drop everything. Let us know everything you have. Maybe it'll change my mind. Maybe I'll stop covering this case. So it's a hard week. It's a hard week. I could not be more proud of Candace. I could not be if I had to be. I think she did a fantastic job. And I think she deserves all the praise she's getting. Genuinely, genuinely do. I don't want you to forget, no matter what happens, I don't want you to forget, Jesus loves you. Because no matter what's going on in this case and what's going on in your life and all that, that's never going to change. Jesus loves you. It's the most important thing. The most important. One day he'll come back to this earth. That's how much he loves you. Have a wonderful night, everybody. Don't forget, I will not be on tomorrow. Prayers for my family as we go and drop my son off at college. It's going to be an emotional day. A big day. He's excited. He's very excited. You can see it in his eyes when he talks about it. He's very excited. But it's going to be hard on his mom and me. So prayers would be greatly appreciated. And prayers for him as well, that he does well. You guys have a wonderful night. And I will see you Tuesday. Not tomorrow, Tuesday. Night, everybody.