Can Indiana Become a Dynasty? Plus, Scouting QB Josh Hoover.

we got a fun one today we're coming off a seven-part series building the board the 2027 quarterback class but there's one name that everyone keeps asking us for and that's josh hoover from tcu to indiana people are also starting to ask the question is signetti building a dynasty in bloomington indiana and we get some answers today 283 days until the nfl draft you good man i'm psyched man roll that thing cut this episode is presented by ea sports college football 27 where you can engineer your team the way you want and if you want the full football experience try the mvp bundle i'm already getting pressure from the boys in this house we gotta get it we gotta get it right well i'm gonna cave you get college football 27 madden nfl 27 plus deluxe edition rewards in both games to help you go from campus legend to nfl superstar make your rise with the mvp bundle available now conditions and restrictions apply cea.com slash games slash ea dash sports dash college dash football slash college dash football dash 27 slash game dash disclaimers for details we're transitioning now mensch we had seven seven parts 14 quarterbacks done we've we've built the board um but as i said in the open josh hoover is a quarterback that a lot of people are excited about and understandably so you and i took the time to do this and we're going to do it again in the next couple of weeks we're going to go break down his film and view it through the lens as we did with those other 14 quarterbacks starting with dante moore continuing with from cj car to julian say in arch manning and uh lenora sellers and all the others right so i want to start with that but also let everyone know we're going to spend some time on what's what's coach signetti building at iu what's it look like this year with most indiana had as many players drafted last year as many players drafted last year as many players drafted last year as many players drafted this year i guess in april 2026 draft as they had combined over 10 years what's it going to look like for indiana this year right so we did we did some deep diving into that as well so we're we're excited for this before we take a little bit of break listen college football everyone's taking walking away for a minute nfl training camp starting august this year we're going to take a little break with with the football world if you will but we're excited to bring the show today so this episode is brought to you by nintendo when you've got different ages different interests and a busy schedule finding something everyone can enjoy is a win the nintendo switch to system gives you options with games like mario kart world donkey kong bonanza and ea sports fc 26 two controllers are included so you can start playing together right away and many existing nintendo switch games also work on nintendo switch to learn more at nintendo.com slash nintendo switch to games and systems sold separately some nintendo switch games may not be supported or fully compatible with nintendo switch to games rated e2e 10 plus let's just dive in josh hoover quarterback tcu i think everyone those who didn't know josh hoover got a little bit of a crash course in how much fun he is to watch on that remember that the bill belichick coming out party wasn't much oh yeah it wasn't wasn't a long-lived party head coach they game day sends everyone down it's this huge celebration teddy bruski's and you know chapel hill and then tc comes in with with josh hoover and ruins the night right yep so so that was kind of the the the breakout moment nationally for josh hoover but you and i went back and we watched the tape the same way we have for all those other top quarterback prospects so uh and we don't have to do the deep dive that we did in everyone but i want to throw it to you and say what like what stood out what's the biggest takeaway you had when you were done with josh hoover's tape really really good point guard i mean he's gonna get the ball out quickly on rpos make good reads you know zip it get it out there on time in rhythm uh i think he's a good athlete i think he moves around really well i think he can extend plays i think he can scramble he's i didn't realize how good of a runner he was or how good of an athlete he was overall and i really i like his touch on the deep ball i think we can get in i don't know if you want to wait to get in the negatives for a second here but he is a perfect fit for indiana that was my biggest that was my biggest takeaway it's like he's a perfect fit like follow me here because it's gonna sound crazy we studied in depth fernando mendoza and we're really high on him like i told you pete thamel and people were texting like yo it caught my eye that you're saying that mendoza's a first rounder nobody's talking about him like that like we really dug in on mendoza last year coming from cal to indiana and and kind of gave the path to him and i think he's a perfect fit for him and i think he's a perfect fit for him and i think he's a perfect fit for right he did that and quite frankly kind of exceeded expectations right especially as the season progressed from a system fit transition from one program to the next you can make the argument he's it could it's going to be more seamless for him as an individual coming from what they were doing at tcu with the shotgun mesh and i just he's the trigger cignetti's as we've all learned as intentional as there is cignetti knows exactly what he's trying to find in a football player at every single position cignetti has become the belichick of college football in that he maximizes every single minute for his coaching moments and the discipline you see from offensive line hat on hat to defensive gaps sound zone discipline all those things so he has an exact feel for what he's looking for and i'm guessing indiana could have probably taken or taken a stab at or got maybe a higher profile guy or someone maybe he's a little bit more physically gifted this cat fits indiana perfectly because it's quick hands mesh point quick decisions no i think it's going to be easier on cignetti and mike shanahan the offensive coordinator to kind of get him in line with what they're trying to do than even it was with mendoza and i think for for hoover it's going to be kind of an easier learning curve coming in be like oh yeah we do this stuff i'm comfortable with this stuff know exactly what you need from me coach let's run it now the difference is mendoza's upside was up here and hoover's is here right there's a correct one six foot five 220 plus pounds got to 236 one is can is it kind of takes off running into the long you know has that long striding um pursuit angle killing in mendoza and and is this pinpoint repetitive motion like almost maniacal in his mechanics and delivery where it's just going to be delivered where where he wants it to go hoover's more college quarterback you know yeah he's got a little bit of suddenness as you said he's got this i think in rhythm when it's mesh make that first read cornerbacks leverage this i'm going here i'm going there ball out he i think and i'm transitioning into strengths now i think hoover's awesome throwing those those those quick slants off the mesh the crossers to his receivers like the middle of the field all those things happening at once the mesh point the read ball out quick and i think he's got some balls to him and i love it about you know he's an onion to get him into trouble a little bit they do and we'll get to that in a minute so yeah but my biggest takeaway was that that the fit in indiana specifically not only scheme wise though which i think is very true but i think personnel wise when you look at the two guys they got out on the outside and charlie becker and nick marsh who are big boys and you think about those back shoulder throws that that that mendoza was throwing to elijah sarat all last year and that was really a staple of that offense i really like hoover's touch on the downfield throw and his ability to give guys a chance to make a play on a 50 50 ball and he's got receivers i think now that are better suited to come down with those passes that's like when you look at the personnel fit as well as the scheme fit you know it's it's intriguing now the touch throws and what you're referencing i agree with some of the outside the numbers thing or like at the numbers outside of that um i thought he was a little less consistent than he was with the over the middle stuff i always it's erratic and he just kind of he misses throws it generally he makes there will be a throw he makes eight out of ten times then then two times it's like where are we going with that it just is it's a miss and so i'm excited to see because we saw when we watched um mendoza at cal it was not the same repetitive like ocd you know i'm excited to see with shanahan signetti and that staff um you know Hoover's not at the Manning Passing Academy. He's going through that like whatever, program that that mendoza who like loved being at the manning passing academy loved doing things in the offseason and he was and then signetti was like uh sorry archie like he's gonna you know he's gonna be here um i've got too much to teach and so i'm excited to see where that progression comes but as it currently is constituted like he's not the consistent almost robotic and i mean that in a positive way like process footwork delivery all that stuff that that mendoza was but mendoza wasn't that cal so are we going to see strides in that area he's also as you mentioned five five eleven and five eighths of an inch that's what he measured in for the nfl scouts in the offseason he's 200 listed as 200 listed at six two right but that's why that's why it's important to get these lists in the preseason we actually have a fit and they're not going to be perfect and maybe he checks in at six foot you know at the combine or maybe he's five eleven and and two you know two eighths of an inch a quarter inch um but it provides a little bit closer um feel for what he's at he actually is um balls batted down at the line of scrimmage saw some of that stuff like he he's he's not mendoza right he's not we got to get into the back and forth between signetti and tcu head coach sunny dykes though i mean and there's i thought it was funny because dykes made the comment and the number is accurate that hoover had 41 turnovers and 31 starts or 33 starts um i think that's the right number so the turnovers were our thing and of course signetti fired back with he just you know he didn't have the running game and the defense that he's going to have in indiana those are his new best friends he's going to be just fine and in fairness to dykes by the way he did say that a lot of that fell on the coaching staff and all that but it's just great that i love that signetti is going to be just fine and he's going to be just fine and he's going to be just fine and he's going to be just fine and he's going to be just fine and he's still salty he's got to find something to say during the offseason and the back and forth and of course the truth is a little bit somewhere in between right uh i am actually optimistic that he will cut down on those interceptions our biggest knock on mendoza coming out of cal was the dude just either turns the ball over too much or has the quote-unquote turnover worthy plays throws decisions right yeah and so again the two areas where i think he he i don't think i know he has to improve as we talk about him as a pro prospect and and even in indiana's offense are the two areas where mendoza made the most improvement from cal in 2024 to iu in 2025 so that to me is like great you take this clay and and it was a more beautiful piece of clay maybe a bigger bigger taller piece of clay in mendoza than it is in hoover but there's some molding that goes on at iu that i'm that is proven to be a good molding that goes on at iu that i'm that is proven to be proven and i want to see that with hoover this year yeah they have a they have a proven system of bringing in guys who are experienced who maybe other programs don't value as much and getting them to be highly competitive winners in their program but hoover does he does try to do do too much on tape there are times where he's just it's like just and i guarantee you that's going to be the biggest area of improvement we see in his game it better be or he's going to have so far up his ass all fall it's not going to be fun i agree i agree um quickly a grade as we gave out 14 grades starting with dante moore the highest 95 and sellers right behind him 94 all the way down to for for me it was messed up we did if you haven't watched our episode last thursday you got to go back and watch like mention i've been caught outside of sam levitt from arizona state transfer to lsu we were kind of weirdly lockstep and just about uh-huh the first 12 quarterbacks we did he was the one outlier so 11 of 12 we were like weirdly we're never that close in terms of grades and then we got to damon williams from washington and and drew mestamaker from uh now oklahoma state and we were like off by like 20 spots on on those polar opposites so when i for me mestamaker was the lowest grade for you i'm guessing maybe matier was the lowest grade or damon williams no damon williams was yeah yeah and i had an 89 and i'm still like i had a weird weekend the only two times i've been kind of frustrated with you have been after levitt and after the damon williams and mestamaker discussion good anyway it's good for us it's healthy where would you grade him knowing our our lowest grade came in around 60 between like 60 and 70 on all 12 of those quarterbacks which by the way is absolutely remarkable um and and it is equivalent of 60 in the 60s is usually like a a certain backup in my opinion uh 70s more like can develop into a starter for us but typically like a third round range where where would you grade hoover 72 74 maybe 72 is what i get is what i'm giving him right now i gave him a 65 but but i recognize that there could be some i'm anticipating i'm missing the special trait like where's the special trait um but hopefully i'll the special trait becomes just like the processing the like how how like consistent he is with that still enough aggressiveness in his game um okay so we're talking about a quarterback who is potentially day three or day two early day three the worst right a really good quarterback and and a and a quite frankly for me at least a better college quarterback than pro prospect agree if you if you read everything online or if you're dialed in at all about college football it's one of the biggest question marks this year and i want to now transition to indiana because what we witnessed is absolutely special and i want to get into where like what a dynasty is and is signetti able to turn this program from like arguably the worst college football program in the country into a modern day dynasty all right now for a special part of today's episode modern dynasty football brought to you by ea sports college football 27 with all new dynasty blueprint features you can build your program and run it your way from the roster to the playbook want to go even further make your rise with the mvp bundle and get both college football 27 and madden nfl 27 plus deluxe edition rewards in both games available now all right so the question is dynasty right right before we get into the game let's get into the game let's get into the game let's get into the game before we get to indiana i kind of want to give a little historical view and it's not like i'm not going to sit back with a smoking jacket and a pipe in my hand and with a fire over my right side talking to my grandkids here uh but just like recently what because as we we knew we're doing this with ea sports like there's so much excitement about the college football 27 out and and madden getting ready to release and the dine like the ability to build a dynasty and and the functionality of all of it and i remember back to tech mobile and nintendo when i was a kid and when when madden first came out how my mind was and literally it's gotten better every year which still is like to me right um and what you're able to do like to going from high school star to college to draft to the nfl like it's my dream the whole thing is a dream of mine it's what got me into all this like just that ability to build a i would say the three that jump out to me and jump in wherever you want the three that jump out to me where i'm like those are modern day dynasties okay would be alabama first two but go 2009 to 2023 six national championships under nick saban right nine sec titles like the the amount of nfl talent that was produced like one year it's 12 the next year it's 14 it's like six first rounders for four first round oh they had a bad year they only had four first rounders and they had 10 guys drafted three first rounders right the other program that had this run for like five years was dabbo sweeney at clemson it was 2015 to 2020 or six years i guess uh six acc championships two national titles six straight college football playoff appearances and these were not 12 team appearances you know uh we're talking about like bcs i think in the beginning or was it already cfp uh it doesn't matter my point is yes in the beginning i believe it was in the very beginning right yeah so we had all that georgia 2021 to would you still say is kind of in the mix like is it still present you could argue that but back-to-back national championships 2021 2022 third straight playoff appearance in 2023 um the draft stuff that they have produced especially in that like three-year span around those national championships was unbelievable um then the other programs i would say that like you could make an argument and i'm only mentioning these because i think if we're chasing a modern day dynasty ohio state like since uh 2002 they've won multiple national championships they had urban they ryan day before that it was trestle theirs is kind of a longevity thing i don't know if you want to call it a dynasty over us but they are one of the premier programs right lsu had these little spurts national championship with saban saban's gone to miami National Championship with Les Miles falls apart. Orgeron, 2020. You could argue the best program in the history of college football that year. Maybe the funnest team ever, yeah. Joe Burrow and the gang. And then Florida State under Jimbo Fisher, 2012-2014. Pete Carroll, I would absolutely put it in 2002-2008. So I've mentioned all those things. How many did Carroll win? Did he win two? He had that run. I'll put you on the spot. Carson Palmer to Matt Leinart with Reggie Bush. Two national championships with Carroll. Seven straight top four finishes in the AP poll. Yeah, look, man. It's interesting because it speaks kind of to the parody. I want to start. Go ahead. So for Indiana, a three-year stretch won't make. None of those were three-year stretches. They were over like five or two decades. So, what will it take for Indiana this year to, does it require another national championship? Is it a college football playoff run, but then get back to a national championship game? Like, what is it that you're looking for from Indiana for us to be like, not just, oh, Signetti came in and what a turnaround, greatest turnaround maybe in sports history, to this is a modern-day dynasty we're witnessing. So we're considering, it sounds like you're considering two national championships. A dynasty to me, you need. With sustained success and NFL producing and conference champion, like they're an absolute nightmare and they've won in a four or five-year stretch. They've won two national championships, but they're in the playoff. You know, that to me is kind of what the modern-day dynasty. And you got to also include this thing is wild, wild west with portal. And it's, it's made. It more challenging, I think, to have sustained success. And we'll talk about Indiana and how they're doing it. But that makes it more challenging. So to me, like, even if it's not this year, but they make the playoff, they have another great season. And then within the next two years after they won another national championship, then I think you're lumping them in with the Clemson's and the Georgia and the runs that they had in this like five year span. Which is wild. But I agree with you. I think that's exactly what you're looking for. I don't think they, you know, if they have an off year, it's not the end of the world. If they, you know, if they somehow don't make the playoff or whatever, it's about, to me, it's about the championships more than anything else. If they win another championship in the next three seasons or actually the next man it's tough because if they're in the college football playoff, the next two years, and then, and then in 2028 when a national championship, I think we're. We're looking back at this and we're putting it in a similar regard to what Dabo did in that six year stretch with Clemson. Right. So this is the thing that's hard for me and I don't want to get caught up in this, but you know how my brain works. All of those programs you mentioned are great, but there's only one and that's Saban at Alabama. Are we talking about him reaching Saban at Alabama levels, which is, I mean, that is, that's just different. That's on a whole new level. That's the gold standard, but it's not even close. It's not. So all those other programs are great. Clemson had a great run. Kirby's had a great run. It's not close. So are we talking about that kind of a dynasty or, or I don't know either way I'll say this. I had, there's a lot of reasons to believe that they can do it, but it's like climbing Everest. Like you, they have, they, they have the skill in the town and all the, and the know how to do it. But a lot of things have to kind of break your way too. Okay. Let's get into it. Let's get into it. All right. Let's get into it. Let's get into it. All right. Let's get into it. All right. 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Former Massachusetts governor and now NCAA. How's that going? So let's not, let's not get those two names twisted Todd. But Nick Marsh with Becker at wide receiver going to be critical. As you mentioned, turbo Richard comes in at running back. Joe Bruner comes in at from Wisconsin, Joe guard. Yeah. Wisconsin guard, Joe Bruner. Oh, you got a tight end from my, so we're like, Oh, line you, Wisconsin. Let's go get an offensive lineman tight end. You Miami, someone argue, Iowa. I get it in some other programs. We've got a defensive lineman from Notre Dame. We've got another defensive line, a defensive end. And Kansas state's always produced good ones. And again, another defensive line, and from Kansas state as well. So they're hand plucking guys that they, that they believe in and fit the system. And we know that there's very few we've seen the last two years. Signetti's up there with all the best of the best in terms of figuring out. And they don't have to be former five stars. Most of them are, they don't have to be the greatest draft prospects. A lot of them aren't, even though that number's rising, they got to fit what we do. Yeah. He builds teams. He doesn't collect talent, builds teams to collect talent. Signetti's not fooling me. Man, his secret, everyone's what's the secret sauce. So his secret sauce is he teaches football better than just about any human being in this great country. And with all the limitations and with guys coming in from different, different schools and the money that's involved in everything else, he has this ability to teach football with his coaching staff. As good. If not better than anyone in the country. And I've never, like when I started trying to figure out two years ago, what, like what is in Indiana that only has like four or five draft prospects? Why are they so good? Cause every offensive lineman takes the right step out of their stance, puts their hands properly, gets their hips around and has a hat on hat with this, like almost like watching a ballet, like the coordination of it, the defensive lineman rush with discipline. If you're supposed to drop into a certain zone, you are there disciplined eyes, right? They're supposed to be like they have taught the game. And it reminds me of Saban and how, how detailed and Belichick in the NFL detailed, right? So that's the sauce that allows them to do what they've done the last two years. But the hard part in today's today's world is now we're paying these guys more money to come do it. And with that money comes like, can we get them motivated and get them dialed in? Now I got a million bucks in my pocket. I'm 21 years old. But I get to go listen to coach. Tell me every single detail and that my hands aren't placed properly. You know what I mean? 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And it just wasn't working at Penn State. That whole program gets turned upside down. They see opportunity. Signetti and the staff see opportunity. Let's go get Harris to come over here. Same conference. Super talented. We see how we can coach him. Best decision Harris probably ever made was to go. And listen, I have the utmost respect for Matt Campbell. I'm fired up to see what Matt Campbell does at Penn State. It was a disaster of a coaching hiring cycle. And they've got all sorts of problems above the head coach of football at Penn State that I'm aware of and have shared a lot of them here. But they wound up with the right guy there. But talking about, I got one year left. I want to chase the national championship. And probably just as importantly, individually, I want to be the best version of myself so I can get the best opportunity to go play in the NFL. He picked the right spot. Yeah, I agree. And I don't think he will be Pons. I mean, I think that bar is too high there with how well Pons played. I don't think he's going to be Pons. I mean, that would be, I mean, that would be a dream scenario for Indiana and Harris, but I think he could play really well. And when you have Jamari sharp is your other corner, you're really good at corner and they've just done a good job. They've recruited better. They've developed players. And then they've just continue to fill these gaps with these transfers like AJ Harris, like big Joe Bruner at offensive guard. Like these are just players that are going to come in and immediately play roles. And then again, Hoover is not Mendoza, but he is a really good fit for their system. And I'm not worried about him coming over and adjusting because this is what any Indiana has done, or this is what Cignetti Tim's teams have done, you know, dating back throughout his head coaching career, they get transfer quarterbacks and they get them to play at a high level. So you lose Mendoza, Cooper ponds, Kalen black, Surat at wide receiver, Noah Kowski at tight end Cougan at center and Aiden Fisher from a year ago. Right? So, so those are the guys. You lost in the draft. Let's now throw up, talk the prospects for this year. And while maybe there's not going to have the number one overall pick, I promise you. Okay. If it's, if it's not a quarterback, it's Jeremiah Smith. And it's probably going to be a quarterback. And Jeremiah Smith goes to the first team that needs anything but a quarterback. But they've got Charlie Becker. Who's one of the top three or four wide receiver prospects. As you see down the, if you're watching on Netflix, if you're watching on the Spotify, look down the bottom of that, that graphic, Nick Marsh, we already mentioned stand out for Michigan state transfers here. That's going to be an awesome wide receiver duo, man. One of the best in the country. I would put it up there. I mean, I don't know. Let's see how it plays out, but everyone's talking about that, that duo at Texas with cam Coleman and, and, and Wingo on the opposite side. And then I guess Jeremiah Smith with, with, with the freshmen. Yeah. Henry, right? Yep. So I'm fired up to see they're one of the top three or four duos coming into the year. And it wouldn't be surprising at the end of the year, if they were maybe the top two most productive receiving tandems in the, in the country. But you got turbo turbo Richard, by the way, all name team for a running back turbo. I love it coming over from BC. They get some good runners at BC, man. But they did a really nice job. They already got Charlie Carter, Carter Smith at, at offensive tackle. They did an offensive lineman of the year last year. Yep. With Evans Lynch and Bruner and the offensive line. Okay. So they're bringing in guys who have experience who, you know, who fit what they're trying to do. And then you go to the defensive side and it's not star studded, but you got a it's Aaron Joe's Joshua Harris. I don't think we have to call him that this year, but maybe he's asking us to, but it's AJ Harris. Or Aaron Joshua Harris. And then you got a bunch of front seven, a couple of the few front seven guys with Jones Burnham and Osun Osun Sami, right. And then, and then a couple more DBS after AJ Harris and Farrell and sharp. And so again, they've got the coaching staff to coach these guys up. And my guess is where, where they get drafted is going to be higher than where they're kind of considered or regarded coming into the year. Yeah. So if all those guys play to the level that they, that Cignetti and staff think they can, they're going to blow that number of eight players drafted from a year ago out of the water. Yeah. So that's my argument is they might top to bottom while they don't have ponds and they don't have certainly Mendoza top to bottom. They might be more talented than they were even a year ago, but can they get them all coached up? And the answer's probably yes. Right. Yeah. What's your argument against Speaker 2 : Still a lot of turnover, but the biggest argument is that Hoover is not Mendoza. And as good as that team was last year and that defense, the more it's funny watching tape on prospects and watching the Indiana defense and guys have to go against it. Just like Miami last year, that Indiana defense was outrageously good and Ken Hoover, even though with that, as good as the team was last year, there were still moments they, they needed Mendoza to be special. And can Hoover be special? Speaker 3 : Can he be, can he step up in those moments where on the road they're down? Like at Iowa. Speaker 2 : Yeah, Oregon had him beat. Speaker 3 : Iowa had him beat. Speaker 2 : Penn state had him beat. Speaker 3 : Can he, can he make enough plays? Because I think there will be, you know, maybe not as many times, but there will be times where Hoover's going to have to make a play. And will he make that play? And then the obvious answer is this man. I mean, I think Sark thinks he's got a pretty good team down there in Austin. I think that Kirby feels pretty good about his squad in Georgia and Ryan day likes, likes some of the talent he has at Ohio state. Last time I checked, I mean, they're still around and then you start to look, I'm not allowed to say the LSU coach head coach's name, but I think he feels pretty good about where they Speaker 2 : Feels pretty good about that squad where, where they're, they might be Oregon. How am I not mentioning Oregon and how they might, how they might feel about it. Speaker 3 : Yeah. And then you have these other programs and I think that it not so much this year because of what happened with source V, but Lubbock there's a, there's a certain program down in Lubbock. That is now. They've got money that is now aggressively taking advantage of the new model in college football. And you're going to see, I think more programs like Texas tech that pop up that aren't the blue bloods that are going to go after players are going to make runs this is a this is a very tough landscape to have the kind of run that nick saban had at alabama it is it was difficult then it's even tougher now i want to finish on this with the schedule because i i can't stand indiana's schedule i don't like it i don't you know i i don't like how could you not stay in the schedule like they just because they play north texas howard and western kentucky their first three games however i can't argue with it man and i want to say it's smart quietly remember mendoza wasn't great at the beginning because it sucks for college football but like until we start really really like texas played ohio state and some of you know but we're but we kind of forget about all that and we look at the wins and losses sometimes at the end of the year my only point in this we can have another schedule conversation one day and we never will thankfully um with all these new individuals being brought in it's kind of nice to go out and play some scrimmages and to learn and have coaching moments oh he's losing his mind right now scrimmages fine and i want to have kurt on before the start of the season i really do i want to talk to him and we're kind of we're talking behind the scenes maybe have a few coaches on before the season but i haven't decided i've i go back and forth on that maybe send us some i'm at mcshay 13 and he's at you good mensch um i want to do something really dive in on some of the quarterbacks with some of these coaches that are head coaches with them and also try to like i just don't like the coach speak or they're going to 15 different interviews and like like scc media day type thing where they you know yeah we'll see um give us our thoughts there on social north texas howard western kentucky northwestern and rutgers they're five and oh earmuffs earmuffs sig and notice some of the schools they don't have to play when i tell you the rest of the schedule but october 10th it starts to heat up and then it gets really aggressive it's at nebraska october 10th ohio state the following week and there we go michigan the following week okay then they've got maryland on november 7th after after a bye week if you will then at penn state on the 14th matt campbell might have those guys rearing to go by then ucla at home with nico uh chesney yeah i'm not buying it yet i'm not either and then finished with purdue so you look at that schedule and like even if you have a hiccup or two you're probably still in it i don't know we'll see how it all plays out um but the schedule is very very favorable favorable in what i'm the biggest sec guy in the whole world and i grew up a big 10 guy my grandfather marshall brown got me into all this madness in football he worked with bo shembeckler and i grew up around a michigan football and the in the game ohio state michigan my whole life but i've been in as a scout and a talent evaluator and sec guy forever i'm saying all this to say the big 10 is the most is the program to chase right now and the sec has got to chase it down because they've lost control at the top of college football and go ahead and argue me our argue me on that and as just like as recently as last year i was still hanging on the sec it's the big 10 right now and so with that schedule within the powerful big 10 like i don't see a scenario in which they're not getting in the college football playoff and thus it comes off the rails so it's important to keep a perspective on that um so yeah the dynasty they're in the mix to make a run of this dynasty let's just let's just say that all right mensch i might be flying out to montana to see you brother tell me a little bit about what it could look like uh i can't i can't do it justice i i've grown up in new england in my entire life and said i would never move anywhere other than new england and then i got to montana and the mountains are i know you've been a little you've spent some time in colorado i've never seen mountains like this and it's it's beautiful there's no one out there like it's so it's it's incredible like almost untouched how crazy it is out there and then you get to like you head down the yellowstone go fly are you gonna have me like are you gonna have me fly fishing and shit i would love to we'll see if we i don't know if we're gonna be able to get you in because i don't know how long you're gonna be there but i will i'm going twice i'll be fly fishing twice so it's just it's it's incredible yeah marissa and i are working aggressively right now to get all the kids schedules and everything worked out we're trying we have a trip to make to la so we're gonna try to all tie it in when we're out in the west coast so i'm only bringing this up because hey i'm i'm fired up i've been i've been to montana i've never spent time in montana let's put it that way um so hopefully we will have a story to report and i'm sure something ridiculous will happen if you and me and iris and marissa are out in montana i can't imagine we won't have a story we i'm saying all this because today is monday we're going to take a little bit of a break as college football and the nfl are all taking a break right next week as well and then we will be back in early august and we'll just at mcshay 13 as i said at you good mensch we will preview of what's what's coming uh we really appreciate ea sports for sponsoring our show this month uh couldn't be a big i'm a lifer and i you know i did some yeah did voice voiceovers down in orlando and it's part of the madden series for a long time um to have them to be back working with them and have them sponsor our show for a month i love where we're growing and we're going to be back working with them and have them sponsor our show for a month i love the fact that they recognize where we're growing and the tie-in is beautiful this time of year as we're trying to build dynasties and also build these quarterbacks and uh it was just it was awesome to have them the part of it and uh we will be back very shortly in just a couple short weeks and rearing up then it's time to go college football season nfl we got a bunch of fun stuff excited and we might have some some exciting news for you about what we're doing this fall too uh mensch five stars and hopefully i'll see you in montana brother thanks man must be 21 plus and present in select states for kansas in affiliation with kansas star casino or 18 plus and present in dc kentucky or wyoming gambling problem call 1-800 gambler or 1-800 my reset call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org slash chat in connecticut or visit md gambling help.org in maryland hope is here visit gambling helplinema.org or call 1-800-327-5050 for 24-7 support in massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE-NY or text hope ny in new york for louisiana call 1-877-770-7867 this episode is brought to you by whole foods who 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