Camel Club Presents - Bill Hann (This Album Podcast)

(upbeat music) - Welcome back to Camel Club Presents Episode 15. And today I'm joined by future superstar DJ William Han. But for now he is an existing superstar podcaster of this album podcast. And I'm sure lots of you have already been downloading and listening, but if you haven't, make sure you start. There's a must be about 50 odd episodes as they're now. - Nearly there mate, nearly a Thursday. - So the idea of the podcast is obviously guests coming on and discussing an album of their choice. So rather than it just being about bands and albums of sort of an an era, which is I guess a few podcasts out there doing it. You've chosen a different lane. Try and give yourself a unique setting point I guess. - Yeah I have. I mean the idea wasn't that unique at first. It was originally just let's deep dive an album. But as I sort of like, Famer feet with it a bit and got a three episodes in. But that's not very interesting. So like it is more about what was happening in someone's life at the time, like how bad the haircut was, how dreadfully their shoes were ripped up pieces. You know, who they were hanging out with, how their friendship circle changed. I think that's far more interesting than like talking about guitar tones. Or like fucking pedals, whatever. There was a place in my heart for that. There's a lot of people already doing that far better than me. So it's more about the emotional attachment. And really what I've realized is the album choice is just a vehicle to have a laugh. - Yeah. - So yeah, it's sort of a Famer feet with it after a couple of episodes and like, it's gone really well Dave. And there I say it, there has been some real, real star power on the podcast. I mean, I was really lucky. But this guy is in a bank with the Fullerton's, right? They're based in Watford. - Never heard of him. - You've not heard of him. Honestly, lovely fella. He was on one episode. So that gives you an idea of like the caliber of guests. They'd be called it, you know, guests of that higher standard. - Wow. - Then also members of. So I do some shows, I'm showing off a little bit. - Yeah, yeah, that's really cool. - Yeah. - So in the case of the Fullerton's, that was really cool. I've never had figs from the macabees, but Russell from Block Party. Next episode on Thursday is Tony MacKarrel from Oasis. Maybe you've heard of him. - That's the point of booking. - Yeah. And so yeah, I've had some good guests, man. I've done really well, Dave. - And I'll, I'll see you in the holidays as well. - I think from the holidays, of course, keeping it in the O6. - Yeah. How was your experience on it, Dave? What did you do? - Very good. - First thing I'd say is your choke, where you're kind of home location as much as you can use it is the Cumberland Hotel, which was quite an experience to come and see, which I didn't actually realize until you said it used to be the hard rock cafe. And it is a-- - Yeah, exactly. It's quite a lot of question. 'Cause believe it or not, I mean, as I'm sure you and your listeners are aware, there are recent millions of pounds in podcasting. So most podcasters, myself included, have a day job. And that day job, as you mentioned, is at the Cumberland Hotel, which is a particularly fun, vibrant place to work. It's pretty cool. - Yeah. - And in fact, on that day, actually, you might want to take this off, I'm not sure, but I'll tell you something really cool. On Monday, I've got a meeting, non-podcast meeting, with an Arctic monkey. - You're joking. - I know. - I'm not joking. - I can't remember. - I'm not telling you. - Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - He's releasing a book. And I'd reached out to him about getting him on the podcast. - Yeah. - But I thought, but we glad was that. He didn't reply to me at all, we're fair enough. About a week ago, I thought, hang on, what am I doing? They're doing an exhibition in Sheffield. I sell exhibition space. - Okay. - So I've been doing the event in London, and yes, they're about three o'clock. They've got in touch and said, what Andy's PA got in touch, said, but being in London in '10 and '30, can you come and talk with me for 40 minutes? - That's a good start. - So, yeah, I'm making cool shit happen in the day job, and the extra curricular one. - Yeah, and it's a gold teeth, is that his? - That seems like Instagram handle. I think that's what other music projects are used to be in. - Oh, okay. - 'Cause he's just sort of changed something. - Yeah, it never changed, I think, yeah. - Okay. So with the, you sort of mentioned emotional attachment, is that something that you've always found yourself having with certain albums? It's sort of been more than just about listening to it. You've actually kind of connect, in a particular way, two albums. - Well, I'm an emotional man, David. I've got a lot of emotions, I've got a lot of feelings. I feel quite hard. I feel like I do feel like harder than most people. I do find music, particularly evocative and triggering. And I feel like most people don't have that to the extent that I can do, maybe. But what it honestly was, when I was thinking of the podcast, is actually a dinner party. I made sounds with about eight of us there. And quite rightly, my friends were all making fun of me. Of course, people started a podcast when I had the idea that night. And I do have a music focus, but I thought, right, I work in sales. That's what I do, I'm a salesperson. How do you sell to someone? How do you get results? And you've got to trigger them emotionally and connect them emotionally. That's what, well, that's it. That's it. What's your emotional attachment to an album? 50 odd episodes in nearly. And how do you. - What would be in your memory the first album that you felt emotionally attached to? - It's quite a vanilla and predictable answer, but it is a racist, really. Morning glory, I guess, yeah. Just very, again, very evocative, being set in mum's kitchen, just blasting out on this little portable CD player thing. Like, I guess not even not quite understanding the depth of it, just finding something very triggering about it all. Like, no one really understands what champagne supernova is about, do they? - True. - But five-year-old me, one at five-year-old me, I was 10 years old, me, new meant something, you know? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's fixed with it in some way. So, I mean, yeah, you don't get two morning glory's there, so I'd say that, definitely. - Okay. - And has the podcast itself been involved in the space the time you've been doing it other than, of say, a couple of features changing, or has it sort of worked from day one and continued in that way? - Yeah, well, I'd like to think I did a bit not being too rigid and too stuck in the formula, 'cause I don't want that to be like, hold back from doing other things. So, I always wanted to, in the summer, is like pivot towards like, festival content, and like, done a whole bunch of Glastonbury specials, 'cause, I mean, during the summer, all I can talk about and think about is Glastonbury. So, the idea of like the podcast carrying on is normal, ridiculous, you know what I mean. - Yeah. - So, I was really, there's some of my favorite episodes, they really were. Rather than booking my big high profile cafe ever, I said some mates on, and we went through an old Glastonbury line up, people who we did go to or didn't go to, and just looked at it. - Hmm. - So, all the content is already there. - Yeah. - Like, you're just two friends talking about something, you went to together, maybe one of you didn't go to together, but it was really easy, really fun. And, you know, more than happy to sort of change the formula as and when. - On that particular moment in the summer, you had a bit of a TikTok viral sensation related, so that didn't you? - We did, actually, and you know what's funny, Dave? It was actually, it was the week that you came on the podcast. And for some reason, we bring it up. I didn't bring it up, so I thought, okay, I'm a big moment. So, yeah, thanks for allowing me to show this. I went pretty viral, didn't I, Dave? - You did. - Twice, when viral twice. It was in the heat of post-OAS issue for a few days after their first batch of Wembley shows. I was going to see the Libertines. And I just thought, I'll do a little video for the fucking socials, whatever. And I've sort of walked walking along North West London, going, "Gah, doesn't it all feel so pointless?" You know, I'm going to watch what I'm a favorite band for all the time, going to watch the Libertines right now, but Thorough Ace is free days ago. And I'm just, I don't feel anything. I'm just fucking, what am I doing? It's just not, how am I just going to compare? And it was literally just an off-the-cuff thing. I didn't think about it twice. - Yeah. - And went to watch the Libertines that day. Had a lovely time. (laughing) - I didn't disappoint. - I didn't disappoint. - Four bands really got money's worth for it. It was brilliant. And there wasn't much signal there all day. And I'd occasionally go for a piece, try and look at my phone. And I was not thinking, like, hang on, I think for the little broken bits of internet account, I think this is getting a bit of steam. Now I was really excited to sort of get out the festival and get some signal again and really see what's going on. And I think it was unlike, other than I want to say, like, 30,000 views or something, come what it was now. Ended up going to 100,000 views. And I think, you know, that's pretty big. But then two weeks later, I went even more viral with a video of a V Festival in line up, I went. So I think it was 2009. And it just went bananas. That got to course for million views. So I'm going to literally know real following. You know, a couple hundred followers or whatever. It was just, yeah. It was quite a little watching it back. I realize there's a few little trigger points that would force people to watch it. We're like, I was blocking the line up a little bit. So you keep watching, sort of look over my show. - Yeah, okay. - Well, it's on there. - They were, it's going, yeah. - Yeah, and I sort of said a few things that I knew would get a bit of traction and wind people up. Like I said about how keen in the enemy can still pull massive crowds, which probably is true. But like, I know people would go, "Oh, the fuck are you going to be a shoot, mate? "Well, you're the best." And I described Lily Allen as a national treasure. And I knew people would go, "Oh, fuck it. "Well, yeah, then you're fucking doing it." I knew it would be quite tricky for people. But I didn't think it. I just sort of said it. So yeah, I didn't think that would be tricky for people. I just knocked it out. [BLANK_AUDIO] - Oh right, I can see what that got a lot of reactions from people. - So do you think any more like that? Or do you think it'll always be a case if you're just doing something off the hook and. - I mean, the difficult third album cycle here, I'm glad it's, it's gonna be tricky. So let's keep knocking the content. I mean, luckily I don't do as much to camera video stuff now 'cause I'm filming the podcast to a far better standard now that they're good enough to share online. So that's doing a lot of the heavy lifting on the social 'cause it just clips of the podcast, as opposed to me talking to Canberra and you know, hopefully get something engaging, which is quite pathetic for a man of nearly 40 David, but you know, these are the necessary evils to promote a podcast, yeah. - That's all good fun. When it comes to choosing guests, obviously there's these days a lot of online kind of comedians that are picking up bigger, bigger followings. Are you kind of throwing a lot of shit at the wall to see who you can get? Or are there certain ones you're targeting 'cause you know that they're gonna be the right guest for the podcast? - I've found it surprisingly easy to book guests. I mean, some people you'll get nowhere with, fair enough. But not many, the success rate is really high. I think I've got a really good sales pitch for it. So I'm not keep messing about. I've got a really good sales pitch for it. Rather than saying, "Can you come up with a podcast "and I'll interview you?" My sales pitch is basically, do you wanna come up with a podcast and talk about something you're really passionate about for an hour? - Yeah. - People are going, "Oh, man, yeah." So what, I have to talk about myself. Talk about yourself a little bit, but really talk to me about your favorite album and something that means a lot to you. - Yeah. - I want something fucking great. So that's what we do. And what's been quite cool, a lot of PR teams is just starting getting in touch with me now and getting their talent on, or asking to get their talent on, sometimes I've just hopped to said, "No, she's not be the right fit." People, I don't want people to see the podcast as being too earnest and talking about, "Oh, this hardship I went through, man, "this album really pulled me through." And I've had to sort of finesse how I spoke about the podcasts to make sure that's not what happens. When you say emotional attachment, I mean, one guy's saying about, "Oh, I lost my brother." And I was like, "Oh, bro, this ain't the vibe." You know what I mean? This isn't the vibe. So, yeah, I've edited how I write to be out there. - Could you imagine when you first started being in that position that you're in now where you can actually almost cherry pick the people that you want for the right reasons to start with what when you first started. You've been just over the moon to get anyone interested in doing stuff. - It's probably worth mentioning, David, that was in bands and stuff like yourself, 20 years ago, I don't really have any contacts in the music industry, that is genuinely the truth. I don't know anyone, a handful of the Maccabees team are acquaintances, but they're not people that go for points, if you know what I mean, never go for anything with them. So, just to proactively make it all happen off my own back, I'm so proud of you know what I mean. - Yeah, it should be. - And I think we talked about it quite a bit when you're on the podcast. You don't get anywhere sitting back. I work in proactive sales. There's no shame in picking up the phone, sending an email, you've got to make it happen. You know? So, yeah, just make it happen, send an email, make that phone call DM that person, what's it that's happened to that agnoreal? - So when you do send obviously your kind of sales pitch for it, and they come back and it all works, that they're going to be a guest that you want on there, do they then send an album sometimes that you're like, "Oh, okay, I've got to call you what that is." And does that kind of make you think is this going to work because you don't necessarily connect yourself with the album or are you happy that it'll work if their emotional, you know, the attachment is sort of strong to it. - Good question. I think it depends on the person. If they're like a comedian or a broadcaster, then like, they'll be good enough at yes-ending me. And I had quite like the idea of someone picking an album that I fucking hate then being like sort of a dichotomy between us and they're sort of fighting the corner for it. I'm trying to understand it. That's not really happened yet. I've not hated any of the albums that I've been given. - Okay. - But most of them do give me a short list and I'll pick one. - I see, yeah. I've got a really interesting one coming up. Someone's picked Ministry of Sound, the annual 15. So like, quite a lot of, let's say you've been to there. - And is it quite a lot of prep when it comes to that? 'Cause if it's not-- - I mean, I'm not gonna fucking bother. It's with a particularly funny comedian who is, I imagine he's gonna do a lot of the heavy lifting for me on that one. They've probably taken a firm fits off the gas. But I mean, the biggest one I've ever touched on myself or I guess would have been for a modest mouse. Someone picked a mouse album as a band called Shatouce who, you know, really talented musicians, are they a laugh? I don't know, but you know, maybe not enough. But I think we've got enough good stuff out of them on that episode actually to make it worthwhile. But that album was an hour and 14 minutes long and it was a difficult listen. - Right. - It's really chaotic in erratic in places. - Have you gone back to it? Have I gone back to it? I've got there to be fair. There are a couple of the songs on there that are on playlist and stuff. But I'm never gonna listen to that album start to finish again, man, there was a lot. - And now, have there been occasions where you've actually kind of discovered something as a result of this and I'm going, wow, actually like that. I didn't think I would or hadn't heard of that before. There was a geyser that picked the King of the Lee on the album. That was really good. (laughing) There's definitely been things. Let me think. I guess nothing's been completely brand of. What is that a new idea of it? I'll tell you what, the reason I'm a Felix, the future head second album, which I did have in my CD collection, I bought it off. If I don't be correctly, I'm sure that came out the same day as an art monkey single. And I went to HMV to buy both on the same day. And probably listen to it once or twice, I could connect with it at all. And now, in the 20 years later, forced us into it by a macaby, give it a bit of time. - Yeah. - Pretty good album, man. Pretty good stuff, man. - Do you think these old people are listening to less albums in that sense because of the way stuff is streamed and you're sort of just hearing odd songs? - Well, there's no doubt about it. Yeah, I mean, the album as a format is not as struggling, but it's not as culturally important as it used to be. There are exceptions to that, of course. Like, you've got to look at Charlie XCX, you know, what she's done for the album format and imagery of albums and album covers that last year. Was it last year, before? Absolutely monumental. From like an audience, the target audience for that is TikTok 30 seconds playlists. She's re-created the album format for a generation, which is so amazing to see. So when you ask me different questions when you are, so do you have that place? - No, I'm just thinking about that future. It's the album, the reason I probably didn't hear it, maybe it's by time I probably started hearing some of those songs. It was just sort of hearing the randomness of the idea of sitting back and taking on a new album. It's sort of a harder task for me. I thought I'd end up just going back to the same things 'cause you loved that album 'cause you heard it before streaming. - I think there is rewards for spending time with an album. And that's pretty much what I've learned for this process. 'Cause I've been talking about, we talked about actually that, if you know if it's where it's basically last year, in January, I sent myself the task of listening to as many albums as possible and just writing them all down. It's not like a probably geeky spreadsheet, it's just in my notes on my phone. - Right. - And I've done it for the last year and I'll present it for this year as well. And the problem is, since launch from the podcast, I've actually listened to less albums because I've listened to the same album repeatedly and learned the albums really well. But it's proven that giving albums a chance is rewarding, as opposed to going to songs in, I've put a Kingsley on back on again, give it some time, give it some energy. And for the most part, there's fruitful rewards for it. - 'Cause the day I heard your Macabees or Felix Macabees episode, I then sat and listened to that future of the album. - Oh great, yeah, what'd you think? - I'm still so wedded to the first one that it just doesn't grab you in the same way, but as a piece of music, you can appreciate where he was coming from with some of his comments about it. But I don't know, it still wasn't as strong as the first. But me, 'cause there's so many pop kind of ones that grab you on that first album, there's only hooks and melodies. - It is really good debut, isn't it? - And I still think if they'd started with that second album, as their debut, would they have become the band that they became, doesn't mean that it's not a good piece of music and a good sort of body of work, but not for me in the same way. But it still made me want to listen to it, 'cause as I say, as soon as you hear someone talking about something, I say passionately, which is what you do and what you get to do, it does make you think, ah, maybe I should listen to that. - Can it, yeah, absolutely. - There's been any moments where you've, as it's been happening like this is a gold, this particular person for every reason or the way the episode's gone, that you just sort of know straight away, this is gonna be a good one. - Yes, I think one of my earlyish ones with Matt Crosby from RadioX. - Oh, okay. - That's my first time doing one of like an actual established comedian. Now, I think I'm pretty funny Dave, right? I'm pretty funny, but am I gonna be funny next to a professional broadcaster, writer and stand-up comedian? The odds were not on my side. And I said something, I was so proud. that was so funny. He was talking about something about how the young generation don't care about where something's from like sampling or whatever. They just know the thing. They see something on TikTok. They don't care that it's originally from something. And I've said, "Are you saying this is the first generation to not care about the Wilhelm scream?" And for those that don't know, the Wilhelm scream is like a piece of audio used in Hollywood that's never come like a parody of itself where everyone does the same thing. And it was really funny. I just thought, "Oh my god, I've nailed that." I'm like pulled a rabbit out of the hat like a really funny joke. And that's what I thought knew. We are off. We are flying now. And yeah, I was really proud of a lot of the jokes I made on that episode. That's when I definitely knew that I can do this. I can help my own in the room with like established comedians. Do you find now you're keeping in touch with some of these people? They sort of develop any relationship, but they're very much so. Not so much with Matt, but I think in recent when Amy Matthews, she was really cool. She invited me to her album launch, a company album launch that she'd done. So I went there for that. So that was really cool. Will Gamble, who was on an early episode. He's like an influencer that's really blown up over the last, well, since then, I've seen him since I'm one of all. Even this last week, he actually helped me with filming the Tony MacKara episode that I've done. I was texted him early about something else. So we're coming like good mates. There was a guy that come on to talk about Kings and Leon, him and I getting a bit closer nowadays. That's really cool. Rajiv Koreas, he's gonna help me out with Edinburgh next year. I'm gonna go to Edinburgh Festival, do a couple of live shows there. Oh, amazing. He's gonna help me out with that. So yeah, absolutely, yeah, for sure. That's great. I was gonna ask actually what's the what's the future of the podcast? You got some stuff that you sort of got in the pipeline of how you want to develop it and where you want to. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. So I spoke to him on live show next month. That's not happening because of reasons. So I've got next to another live show, but for March SIPF, no guest book yet. So don't worry, but I don't want it there. It was no exclusive to be had there really, but there's another live show coming March. Okay. And then he went to Edinburgh for two days. I've never been to the festival before I go to the fringe. I've now done, I guess, two live shows for the podcast that weren't incredibly well, I think far better than they've got any right to for someone that's never been on stage and that's sort of setting before. I was so, I mean, you were there Dave, what would you think you were? You could tell that you were on on the edge to begin with, but I think as it I think the guests were obviously fantastic. I'm trying to think the name of the first guy from the screen. Yeah. And he was absolutely incredible. And I think maybe the their kind of spirit in the room kind of seemed to get you on on track again, because you could sort of tell that initially you were maybe feeling like we have a rabbit in the headlights to begin with. Yeah, yeah, it was a bit of that. But I think it was quite good having Jake on of the guest because he's someone whose podcast I've listened to a lot. So you do know them quite well. Well, he's, you know, not personally, but you know how to sort to communicate with you sort of know where they're going to go. It's an extent to like fed off each other really well, I think, didn't we? Yeah. And that really relaxed really quickly. Yeah, after initial. Oh, fuck you. Oh, I love everyone. So yeah, some more of that, they, you know, I mean, I've done it. I've done two live shows now. And you know, they're in Edinburgh. I hopefully get some, you know, big, fuzzy comedians on his guests. That'll be the idea. So onwards. Yeah. If you were to be a get, I don't know if you've actually done this. I might be already missing the vote here, but if you were to be the guest on your podcast, what album would you choose? I haven't done it yet. David, thanks for asking. I would have to pick, and it's not my favourite album, Mr. Liberty's second album. The self-titled. It was definitely like a moment of like changing my life where I was given quite a normal suburban life of just going to the low average night club, drinking WKD, wearing whatever river island or selling, taking far too many bad drugs, and like, just doing average shit. And that album was sort of showed me another way to live life, hadn't it? But in a different way, and just one more creative and fun, and less of a vanilla existence of normality and just taught me to live really, you know, show me another side of night life and expressionism, and yeah, it was just a really big change in my life, definitely. At the point of that debut album, would you not kind of been. No, completely. I think I was only became aware of the liberties by the tabloids, really, about the hearing at the time when Carl Bergled, sorry, Peter Bergled Carl's flat, it was like tabloids stuff at the time, and it sort of crossed over for the first time. A lot of things, but it wasn't, it was a bit before that. So it was such a bizarre story, when you're sort of like a bandmate Bergled from his own bandmate. How does that even work? You know, I mean, it's actually a lot of unique thing, so that's why I think the press picked up on it at the time, and it's definitely my first head, it will make Jim was fully aware of them and said "Oh, they're fucking amazing, this album's brilliant." And the day I brought that album, I was living in South Africa, I sleep, working at RAF North Pole. That's a whole past, the big Sains, prison, South Africa, I slept in if you're familiar with it though, but. Nope, but it's a big, and I, yeah, I'm sorry, you'll know it. And I brought two CDs that day, I brought a liberty and second album, and I brought Goldie Look and Chains, debut album. Superb. And, you know, I think you could guess which one had a bigger impression on me, let's be fine, I'm wearing a very government looking chain tracks here today. You just need the chains to go with it, and yeah. This is it, so maybe it's had work and impact, and I expected, but yeah, it was, let me just put it on, and like not understanding anything they were saying, well, I just literally haven't heard anything like it in my life, now I'm going to listen back, I can't even begin to imagine feeling that way about it, but I just understand anything, I just couldn't get my head around it at all. With bands like that, and as you mentioned earlier with the What's the Story Morning Glory album, seeing it live, does that take it to a totally different level for you, or are you getting everything you needed from it, just from listening? No, I mean, I was following Peter and Baby Shambles around quite a lot. I mean, I'm not sure how familiar everyone with Libertine's knowledge is, but that second album came out, basically post break up. We've had a little split up at that point. So both Peter and Karl were onto different things, and Peter more proactive, I guess, and quicker. Baby Shambles were already existing by that point. And yeah, and that first of all, Baby Shambles was pretty special, a bricks and academy. You almost have amnesia about it, where like you leave the gig, and you can't number anything that happened, you can't have a set list, or you happen to remember it's like this, just euphoria, and just like nothing else. It's not even like an alcohol base at all, so Peter can't remember it, it was just such adrenaline and excitement, and chaos, just unbelievable chaos, trying to stay upright was enough of a challenge. Yeah, I remember going to the Artemonke show that I saw, which was their sort of first UK tour. I heard you talking about on PC's one, yeah. And that was the same kind of thing that I can thinking back, I can't really remember much about it, and it's probably the same sort of thing you're describing there. Yeah, you sort of pick out little moments of the night, but whereas other bands you can go and see, and maybe it's a bit more, just standing there watching it, and it's maybe just goes into your mind more, but when there's so much going on around you, and it's such a big occasion, it feels different. Yes, I think it's that case of like, I'll never remember what they played that night, but I'll never forget how it made me feel. Yeah. So going to move on to what's become on some occasions, a kind of bonus episode feature on this podcast, and I thought we had run through yours because you have quite a good taste in music, so I'm looking forward to seeing you. Anyone unfamiliar? Some of the guests have formed a two-stage festival lineup of their dreams. We've been trying to get one stage to basically be in the band's of the era that this podcast is all concerning, and second one can be any band dead or alive or any artist dead or alive, and I believe you're going to shake it up slightly, but we're going to kick off if you're okay too, with the indie stage, sort of second stage. Perfect. So when you gave me the idea for this, there was definitely like an overlap where most of my favorite bands are not his indie bands, so a second, sorry. And they're not dead. Oh, they're alive and thriving. So I thought, well, how's this going to work? So I've decided what's to do instead is to rather than do favorite not his indie bands, is like the favorite not his indie bands that never released an album, sort of the unknown bands, circuit bands for the most part, bands that could have wouldn't have should have made it and did them or bands that just brought a lot of joy to my life. So I've got a little cheeky top five. Some of these bands will be familiar with Dave, some of them you won, and I'll be keen to get your take on it. So I'm going to go straight in at number five, if you'll allow me so. Yes, please. At number five, we have, that's enough. The greatest band's kind of haze has been a couple of bands, I'm haze now, I think about it, but from haze, slasarch's bridge, it's the routines. They know the well. They want feelings on yourself from the routines. If I'm to think back to that, knowing the liberty and existence at that sort of time as well, there was always a feeling of the Rick Gavin dynamic, having a Pete and Carl thing about it, even though now thinking about Rick I can't imagine him being as Pete and Carl, but at the time there was seen him for the first time, there was that and maybe also the fact that if I'm remembering right, the drummer and the bass player in the way the Libertine's drummer and bass player don't necessarily look like they could be part of the band. Yes, actually, if memory, the bass and yeah. Same kind of thing and obviously Gavin probably quite often followed the crowd in terms of release their new set of songs, different band, depending on what's popular at the time and as he was doing that the Libertines and that kind of ram shackle indie was obviously off the moment, but he did a good job of it because they had some songs that I can still remember now. Yeah, absolutely, they had some really good songs and no doubt about it from that band. I formed one of my best friends in the world, you know, it was amazing. That first time you met him, we played at the Good Shipping Kill them. So yeah, and he sort of played with those guys and just clicked really, really well with, well, with Gavin and Rick anyway, not less so the other the two, you know. Yeah, and yeah, we just sort of played with them a lot after that and had a big impact on me and I really liked a lot of their songs. They were really fun. They're basically sounded like how I wanted my band to sound like, except we didn't have the musical ability to get there, you know. They were right. And so I was at a better than us. But I think what we had over them was the whole camaraderie, gang thing, that and they, I think. And we were just such, not my person, I was so silly that people wanted to that, I think. But like, I really, I wanted to be in Gavin's band, I think. I really did. I found them very charming and Rick was obviously just a phenomenal guitar player with an incredible fringe and yeah, and some great songs. And some very tight jeans. Very tight jeans. It's not easy when you. You know, you look like a good song now, I don't know, but like it really worked at the time, you know, very easily recognizable. One time you get bound to chorus freely hearing it for the first time, you know exactly what's going on. Exactly. And you wanted to book as a promoter at the time as well. You wanted to book them, which is you only do that if if you like it. Sure. Unless they happen to have 200 sort of loyal, devoted fans, it comes with every gig, but I always booked stuff that I wanted to watch myself. Yeah, but they were good to us as well. Gavin, particularly, I've been doing this for a lot longer than I had. I was very new to the whole sort of, I don't know what I'm looking for, the way things work based, the mechanics behind how a band operates and moves and books things. And he was why I could he booked this for a lot of stuff. Okay, so the routines, that's a good start. Thank you very much. Yeah, bit nice, bit nice, but I stand by it. Number four is a band I know very little about, but a band who were someone I'd always go back to on my space to listen to. I couldn't even tell you where they're from, but I do know the name of the band. They're called Yaya Wonderbar. Okay, I'm, yeah, it could be, I'm sure tell me more. I wish I had more to tell you what I will say is, it is indeed perfection. They, if they had a bit more, what's we're looking for? Industry support, they wouldn't feel the same whole as the one-bats, two-door cinema club, like bubble gummies sort of pop in these stuff. I think they, their, their stuff, songs they had, are far better than the one-bats or two-door cinema club. They could have become that band, I think. They were painfully two thousand, a two thousand eight, two thousand nine. I was watching some stuff on YouTube earlier, the haircuts, the cardigans, the shirts, and the painfully middle-class kids with like loads of mummy and daddy's money for guitars and fucking, I don't know, like, like even like, the videos were quite clearly homemade and stuff, and I don't mean, I don't know if anyone that was like making their own videos really. You guys weren't doing much that sort of stuff. No, we had one that was paid for by a random PR company though. We did a gig in Proud galleries. That's why I'm just kidding. Yeah, promoters of that were in a PR company. It was all very odd, but she was from a very, very wealthy family. We were pretty lots of spare money kicking around and got it legend. So yeah, you're a band, I never got to see the live at all. I think they probably split up before I got got around to that, but for years, I've always got back from their Myspace and listened to it, until about eight years ago, when Myspace just had a complete meltdown and they were filmed on loss when it just happened. Yeah, could I be their Myspace, which was Myspace.com/yes-yes-wonderful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My Myspace was yes-yes-wonderful. And we're on a new ship today. There's a few little songs on there still, and really great fun bubblegum pop-in-the stuff. And that's on on YouTube, so I'll have a look. On YouTube? Yeah, listen. Yeah. Is it live-changing stuff now? No, but like 2008, 2009, me would have been all over. Yeah. So that's your I.R. Wunderbar. Would you like another one, Dave? Yes, please. Another one. Again, I bet you may be familiar with. You might not be a band called Gildian Gang. Gilding Gang, yeah. So what do you know about Gilding Gang? So we played with them, maybe three times, and I absolutely adore them. That's probably how I know them as well, because I saw them twice. I saw him play at Trinity once. Maybe on the same deal with you. What was your record? It's a good chance, because I think we did do a Trinity gig with them. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm a Trinity, and they were like, everything I wanted the indie guitar band to be at that point, just so cool, such fun songs, bursting with ideas, could really play. I remember their guitarist had a beautiful Rick and back up. And yeah, they were phenomenal. And then they got booked, but they smashed the show that night, absolutely fantastic. The place was packed. People going bananas, Dream Trinity night. Then about three months, six months, nine months later, I kind of had one with a bin. And then came back. They basically became a different band and almost like rebranded. It's not the same name, but their songs were a lot more expansive and weirder and very different influences. They're the song with the spur camp, didn't they? Exactly. Yeah. So even if you go back to listen to those songs now, they've got the first two songs, one called Swells. Yeah. Forget the other one now. But they're like straight down the line, really funny indie guitar stuff and the other stuff is very different. And they planned that second show at Trinity. And fortunately, it was like an empty night. There was no one there. I was trying to get people over. I'd be great night. You got to come and see this band. And it was a really dead show, the second one. And they were playing these very different songs. And I was like, ah, it's the ship's already sailed, isn't it? It's already, this band went up and achieved what I want them to. So same thing. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, Pierce Grady saying that night at Trinity is sort of like a disappointing crowd of people. It feels like a story for the band. You know, I mean, it's like great last time and tonight's a bit of a ship for a minute. No, that, that sounds like a similar story to the, yeah, yeah. I wonder bar then, because another band that you sort of on the face of it, you go, yeah, they've got everything that is needed. Yes, they seem ready. You know, I mean, I think both bands felt really ready, take on whatever the world was going to throw at them. And I think from what memories I have, they were quite young. So when we were playing with them, I just seemed to think they were all my sort of college kids, which made it even more impressive, because they would, you know, have that ability to write songs that good at that age was, yeah. You just remind me of something, because though, because the second time we played, they played at Trinity, the guitarist had a different Rick and backer. And I've gone, wow, you got another Rick and back. He goes, oh, man, it was so annoying. My other one got fucking nicked again. I said, oh, man, that sucks. Swappens. He goes, oh, I just brought another one. Oh, right. Okay. We are operating on compiling different models here. Like, fuck me. And this is got good insurance. That's a, yeah, quite. I remember very vividly saying, yeah, I started to buy a new one, so I'm going to win. No, great, Bano, that, um, it's the song that you, well, both of us can't remember the name. I want to say it's not panic attacks. That's the panic attack. It's a good panic attack. Oh, it is a good panic attack. Yeah, yeah. And it's sort of very super gross to me. Oh, yeah, there's a lot of that about it, actually, isn't there? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There is actually a very good show. Yeah. I'm glad you're happy you remembered it. Rather than me just talking about it. No, no, no. They were super good. Good, good. So that's a big way. And ban number two, if you don't allow me to, so. Yes. Of course. Another kind of a thing you will be familiar with. I'm going with the fuller turns from what bird in half a year. Finally. What can you tell the listeners about the fuller turns, David Chanel? Yeah, four piece ban, four piece ban from what food? Lots of hair, tight jeans. Some, yeah, a few choruses, 20 years on doing it all again without the tight jeans and the shoes, because they've really knackered my toes. So yeah, I think your band had a big, well, it made me hyperbolic to say, I don't know, but I had a big impact on my life from it. It was the whole idea of creating like a scene and the Harman community of bands. It was really happening. I think we spoke about it before with another podcast, but the first time we met at the country, and I remember sort of knowing who you are. I'm from social media and stuff with my space. And I think because you've instantly got sunning in common, it's going to be, it must be so difficult to not get on with other bands. You've got to be a complete dickhead to someone sort of meet someone doing the same thing as you, being from a similar area, having such similar experiences, to not get on with the people doing the same thing. You must be a colossal wanker, you know. They were a few of them, but yeah. They were a few. On the most part, it was very, yeah, sort of tightened it, wasn't it? Yeah, it really was. Like, it wasn't the case of like, I wonder what days would it be like and one of the guys would be like, I'm going to go and meet some brand new friends. I know they're going to become really good mates after this. And we did, we sort of like, had some great, unique experiences together that most people that aren't in bands, whatever get to experience the idea of driving for hours to get somewhere and sitting in an empty room for hours waiting for it to fill up and things like that. And just the whole doing nothing together for hours before on show night like that. What was your thoughts on, because obviously as you mentioned earlier, good friends of Rick, who was in the routines. When you first saw us play, it would have been with Pete, who was the original bass player. Yeah. And eventually moved back home to Liverpool. So then we had to find someone else and then becoming Rick. Was that exciting for you? Was you like, oh, how's this going to work for that? Absolutely buzzing for that. Monica, some of it was that he's such a phenomenal guitarist, but like, is he going to be happy on bass? But he brings his musicality to both, doesn't he? I think he wears a bass play, bass guitar pretty well, doesn't he? And he's got a reckon back, which it's the bill for you. There you go. We like a Ricky. So yeah, just really cool, like somebody who I'd really admired and respected. Never knew correctly. Didn't rock power have auditions of you at one point? He came over and I thought we were on the verge of him, yeah, sort of getting involved, and then he opted out. So would have been equally as good, because another absolutely incredible musician. He was a bass player in his first sort of known band, wasn't he? I guess even though it was a guitarist. Yeah, but I think so. It was the case if he was always a guitarist, and they were looking for a bass player. So he joined the bass. That's where his first band, the bass, the same thing for that second band, were like, he somehow had to play bass, and it was him, really. So Ricky is quite trade, but he came a bass player. And now I've just realised in hindsight that I've absolutely let down rock power by not putting his band in my top five at all. Oh my god, Dave, what have I done? What have I done? Have a secret headliner. Yeah, there you go, a secret set from 1984. Okay. Oh, you must have played with 1984 a bit, Dave. You know what, I don't know if we have a kick to them or not. I definitely saw them. I can't remember if we did. Maybe we did. Well, they were raised from the shadows and the embers of Indy, I don't know how we describe them. Indy terror ways, the unstrung. So to remember that band, Steve, of course, rock power from the new band 1984. Less sort of obviously Indy leaning. I think a bit more laddy maybe for 1984. It was a bit of mixture of like a bit of Motown Soul and Oasis and a bit of like Zeppelin, they leave guitarist is quite big on the riffs. There was kind of all those things going on at the same time, like a louder version of the Beatles maybe. So yeah, that's some great moments, Matt, some really great songs. A band that we watched an awful lot played with them a few, a few times, but we'd regularly go and watch and play at the borderline in Tottenham Court Rose. What about me? Yeah, RIP to a real one, Dave, a real one. So yeah, that was always great fun and like, you know, Robert's going to be one of our best mates as well. And these were friends that I've made just from going to gigs and being about these aren't school mates at all, you know, I'm not going to make too many of them from school. Yeah, I think going back to the Liberty and second album, it taught me to go out and do some living and find people you've actually got things in common with and people who we thank you as opposed to your mates from school that want to go and drink in the same pub day after day, week after week, listen to the same song, wear the same clothes, drink the same drinks, take the same drugs, it's like, I want to go out and do stuff, you know, I want to live. I think gives you the confidence to actually go, I'll be the person I may be am or want to be rather than just sort of doing what you feel you need to do to sort of fit into a, yeah, like a little bracket. Exactly that, exactly that. If you want to wear bright red jeans, you know, that you'll be accepted for it. And Lord was I accepted. Yeah. Shall we get onto my number one day, if she knows? Yes. I'm sure one is. I hope you know this lot. And if you don't, I'm excited for you because this is the band that had everything that was needed to take on the world. I think the problem was there were two or three years too late. I think they've really broken late '07, early '08, there's a band called The Daisy Riots. That name rings a bell, but I'm going to have to do some research myself now. Tell me more. So I, it was a rib-sliding doors moment for an embarrassed and my space one night. And just about to go to bed, I had a new follower. And it was a band from Liverpool called The Daisy Riots. And I thought, I'm ready for bed. Oh, fuck it. I'll give them a listen. Why not? People listen. And what I heard was some of the most exciting and thrilling indie guitar music I've ever heard. It sits right in that sweet spot between the strokes and the cribs, I think. So really frantic high guitars played a million miles an hour, flawless choruses and bridges, particularly build up pre-choruses. Really exciting. Really tight-knit, free-piece band. I don't know if I've got the clash, the friary of them, the way they sort of have this chemistry between them. And I got them a gig in Camden. And it was just as the best-and-be split up. So it must have been '07, I guess, yeah, late '07. And something really weird happened where we got chatting to these two or three, I wasn't sure, two or three Austrian girls at walking past. Pretty girls walked past. Oh, hello. We got chatting to them. And it was one, two, three, four festivals happened the next day in Shoreditch. Yeah. And they're like indie girls, didn't know this thing was going on. There's like, couldn't believe what they were hearing. You're telling me the Paddington's and Dogs and Lightspeed Champion were playing for free in a park somewhere. So that's exactly right. They couldn't believe it. Anyway, bumped into them there. And these girls basically booked, or helped Lady Riot's book, these shows in Austria. They don't have a series of shows in Austria. Is it weekend? I couldn't tell you, I don't know. But that all came from me, giving this band five minutes of my time on my space, to then getting them a gig book in London. And from doing that, they got chatting to these girls from Vienna. Yeah. That means incredible shows out in Austria, where these plays was just absolutely. I mean, you know what, it's like to go to a foreign country and playing a room of suddenly, some people that are really infused as to you. I wasn't there for any of that, but I can only imagine how excitement would have been. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And the band would just unbelievably great. I watched about five or six times over that sort of two year period. Best one was at Glastonbury. They played the left field stage at Glastonbury 2008. Now, that was on the first day. So, anyone that's been to Glastonbury knows that on the first day, not much happens. So this tent was absolutely packed. And people were just going absolutely bananas for it. And I'm bumping in. Well, the next time I saw them in the fact, I asked that, it was from the obviously the best weekend of our lives. But they basically stayed up the entire time on various chemicals and managed to blag it to like the proper VIP backstage area and met Jay-Z. The year Jay-Z headlines. So they just kept pushing their luck with wristbands and just wouldn't accept no for an answer, basically. Yeah, these free-scarfed scalliwags had the most incredible time. And they deserved every bit of it. And they would just, they would have taken on the world if it was just three years earlier. They were flawless this band. I think that's usually the case, isn't it? There was quite a few bands that were maybe by the time they actually got a bit momentum. It was probably passed the sale by date of that era, even though people were still listening to it. But the labels probably weren't looking for anything. Like something really weird happened. Well, we've been 2012, 2013 when Palmer Violets broke in Palmer Violets. Yeah, yeah. Of course. And their bass player looked so much like the bass player from the band The Daisy Riots. I couldn't believe it wasn't the same guy. Until I did a bit of digging and found out he's from London. It's like Chilly Jess and the other guy's name is from Palmer Violets. Yeah. And they must be a stacer. That's clearly Pete from Daisy Riots. They're making similar music. They're playing the same bass guitar. They look identical. All right, I just thought this is clearly the guy, but it wasn't just the man coming to me. And they've got two songs on streaming. They release one single with a B side. It's called Do You Feel Alone? It's perfect in the guitar music. The chorus goes Do You Feel Alone when she talks about her future? Which is a fantastic lyric. Really hooky stuff. And yeah, they released some songs which never like got released properly, but because I've recorded some songs that are basically about their breakup, which are just phenomenal, phenomenal. And yeah, they exist on my wife's old Mac, which I need to. on earth and get there's a crease again. So listen to some of the other stuff on YouTube today. There's a few little bits on there. So I'm called Natalie, which is fantastic, and girls don't play Lego, really, and femic, but the two singles that are on streaming flawless. Right, moving on then, before we get to bog down in our emotions of this area, I'm like, I'm calling God, yeah. So, so of your, yeah, there's all dream line up of a festival, they can be dead or alive, but I think by the sense that they're all alive and well, but who is starting this main stage? Well, it's kind of, I mean, I've basically just listed my five favorite bands. No, obviously all of these bands are headline bands. Yeah, don't give any business opening a stage. No, but someone's got to. Someone's got to and it's the job of Karen O and the other two guys. I'm going, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Dave, what a bloody band. It's, yeah, something of that era, just that sound is just probably one of the most important of of that era, I'd say, because it's not like all the other indie guitar bands, I don't think it's got something different to it. It's not like any of a band I don't think. It takes real balls, I think, to go, we're just going to be a free piece. We don't need an infinite else. The songs like the way they've nitpaced guitar is like no one else does. You've almost think like, I've come from a world of the way, sis, where it's open chords, it's genius, D in it, same I know. So then the way that he attacks the guitar and gets noise and finds melody and ideas amongst these noise and muted strings and just and there's such beauty, the chaotic way they play. You've got a jazz drummer on drums in an indie band. Yeah, he plays drums in this really loose way. And then the absolute force of nature that is Karen O. And to you, what I was going to say when you watched me meet me in the bathroom, I got the sense that she was quite sort of shy, but yeah, you would never see that on stage. Well, this is what she talked about in the book and in the film of how she was a really shy person, played acoustic guitar and then she started going to nightclubs and almost created this character and she said like, the real her was coming out. Like go into these bars, to wrestling extravagantly, dancing like a maniac and sort of like, that's when she found out who she was as a person. And there's something quite inspiring about that. I've like, just get off the internet, get off your ass and do some living. Like make some mistakes, great things will happen. I mean, unfortunately for her, I've been that first year and a half of being in the band, had a real tunnel in her mental health, like she was in quite a bad way. It's quite harrowing some of the footage on me being in the bathroom of seeing her and such to stress. And the way she was treated as a woman as well was like fucking pretty awful. And she would know how to handle it and just took loads of fucking drink, you know what I mean? And I think back then, or hell, and lots of alcohol and lots of pressure and stress and toxic men is a recipe for disaster. So I think it's even wild to get that second album out. And though it's not as good as the first album, the moments that are good on it, things like she treated hearts and gold line are the nominal, the nominal songs. And the third album is just an absolute masterclass and 10,000 leaps forward from what they were doing before. And they've written maps, Dave, they wrote the maps, which I mean, is it the best song of all time? Those second best song of all time, maybe. Well, for me, I did a playlist, the Camel Club just to get in the mood and that one's on there. Yeah, it's. But they're not a band that's been replicated. You know, like some bands, you'll see several bands that want to be like the strokes, lots of bands that want to be like the Libertines, bands that are still trying to be a racist. Sure. Don't think anyone has maybe succeeded in trying to become the next year, years. It's a really good observation, really good observation, because it can't be done. You know, it's not on paper, it shouldn't work, you know. It would probably be guitar bands, like Sandra, like they did to then go disco on their third album, you know, what are you going to do? Well, if we can get Karen O's approval to kick off the stage, then that'd be superb. So Karen, if you listen in, I think she will be. She's on my playlist. She's, she's heard. Right. Number two, so who's taking over where she has left off? We're keeping it in the same neck of the woods. We're keeping it New York City. We're keeping it early, not ease. It's my friend and yours. It's Julian Katerblankas and the rest of the guys from the strokes, David. Super. What is there to say about the strokes that hasn't already been said, David? They are inseminatingly cool. They are people I don't want to go for a pint with because I'm going to have absolutely nothing in common with them. Yeah, I'm not going to connect as easy as you can. I don't want my podcast, Dave. I would do a bad job of it. I like the idea of them being tootemic, unachievable, they're on stage. I'm firmly off it, looking up at these almost like cartoon characters. They're not like, they're not real people, you know, they're not real people. And just some of the best clothes and haircuts and guitar parts of all time. I've already realised recently, though, Dave, like how depressing the first album is. Yeah, I was listening to that alongside Coldplay second album when I first started Unix because it came out. It came out and they both have a similar, you know, like you ask on your podcast, when can you imagine listening to it? My memory listened to that. That album was actually on rainy bus journeys into uni. Sure. And it's really fun and loud and danceable in places. But for the most part, I've already realised how depressed he is in the lyrics. He's looking for connection, he's feeling isolated and underwhelmed by everything. And this isn't connecting with NFN. And he's thinking, oh, this is a very sad young man. The delivery of it as well. Yeah, he doesn't need to necessarily show off disease. He just stands there and delivers it. Yeah, I think the silhouettes they cut are enough, you know. They don't need to do the hey, hey guys, make some noise at the back kind of thing. They just stand there and do it. What a band, Dave. A band that I think have grown old with grace and elegance. They haven't given too much of themselves a way. They've given long, healthy gaps between albums, which I think has kept the, we much of the yeah, yeah, yeah. In fact, they kept the appetite there. They've never overcooked themselves, I don't think. And I think that's kept passion and desire there and given the band long jeopardy. And inspired lots and lots and lots of different bands of the sort of 10, 15, maybe 20 years, personally, sort of following on from them. Whereas as you say, not many other bands have that much connection because how many bands could you attribute to the influence of the strikes? Yeah, exactly that. So you're going to the third one. Yeah. Now this one's a tricky one. So what I want is to see the Beatles. Don't meal. But the Beatles on a live band, Dave, the Beatles as a live product doesn't work. Depends which era if your hamburger kind of early 60s, 63, but if you're looking for the I don't really like the songs very much, though, Dave, that's the problem a lot of those really early 60s stuff. I don't really like that much. So if you're looking for the Sergeant Peppers kind of there, that's what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a revolver. I'm looking for Sergeant Peppers. And they don't play those songs live. It's not a thing. It doesn't exist. Have you seen the Bootlicks? Oh, many a time. Yeah, absolutely. And what do you think when you see that because it's really good, it's really really good. So though I do want to see the Beatles, I've got the Bootlicks Beatles to scratch that itch. So I think instead I'll watch "Darth Punk" funky. Fair enough. Yeah, we're obviously free. It should have been the Beatles, but we're going for "Darth Punk" instead. Okay. Tell me more about your connection to them. They are a band that writes songs in a way no one else ever has. The creative force behind "Darth Punk" is quite inspiring. They make these huge sounding songs, at least for the first couple of albums, on such rudimentary equipment that the desire to create is so strong that they make it happen. And their live show that's horned 2006 basically changed what live music is and was and what it could be and what could it be achieved and what's the priority in live music. The whole sort of pyramid stage design I'd never really been done before and I don't know who kicks started a lot of very bad music in its wake, but they are to pretty life affirming. I mean that secondary album is one of the best albums of all time. Just unbelievable ideas executed brilliantly. There's one of their songs which features over 30 different samples all chopped up and like just constantly playing throughout. And I mean it's just a force of nature, usually as well and creating that whole world and sort of myth building around them. Yeah, that's what I'd say. You don't know who they are. Pretty incredible. So though I'd rather be watching the Beatles than a live band where his staff punk are and I've never got to watch staff punk live. So I think I'd like to watch staff punk please Dave. Can we get maybe Maca to come on and do a duo sort of cover with them maybe? Yeah, there must be something Maca's done that's a little bit sort of house music orientated. It will come to me. It's a solo song that does go in there. What's called now? There's something that's a bit sort of groove dance based. So maybe that when we're getting Maca out for a little bit. Yeah, we'll have a laughter in it. We've now lodges on maybe like Maca and Noel. Yeah, that's that's sounding like we're getting there now. Good night out to me, mate. Sorry you're welcome. And we still got to come. Where are we now? That's the more that come if you'll have me, Dave. Well, Dave, I'm here. I've got my ticket. We've got some good bands. We've got four piece bands. They're from Sheffield. It's obviously Arctic Monkies, Dave, isn't it? It's obviously Arctic Monkies. The only four piece band that matters. I think I've seen this band more than 20 times in my career. Spanning all albums? Yeah, absolutely. I was at the. I've never felt an energy like it and just knowing you're at the epicenter of something. You still want the same tour base, didn't you? You've done something so monumental. And it's my first time of like going to a gig and seeing famous people there. I saw like Joe Wiley there and Sean Bean there. I've never really had that before. There must be loads of other people there that night, you know what I mean? From like what the media and stuff. And like I just never think in like I am at the center of the universe here. I am watching the most important thing that's happened musically since Oasis. I'm here, you know, to quote the whole James Murphy thing. I was there. And like it has lived on in my existence ever since. It's a band who've endured and who I still get so much joy and satisfaction from everything they've released ever since. Depth in what they've do and what they have done and what they continue to do. It keeps them rewarding going back and listening again. I'm going to pain you now. I've got a question. Could you put their albums in order of your favourites? I'll have a go Dave. I think I am. Okay. Tranquility bass. It goes between the two. Tranquility bass. It's got to be whatever people say I am. Suck it and see the car. Humbug. Favourite worst nightmare. Okay. I was imagining favourite worst nightmare to be a little bit higher. But I feel that I'm wrong. I think the only two songs on that that I genuinely always go back to and get excited about. Brian Stone and his house at the circus. The rest of the stuff from there don't get his good. I don't really go back to it as often. Is it because it feels like it's the first album kind of not repeating itself but it's they don't change much do they until I mean the band say that as well but I think that's really unfair and dismiss it but I think obviously five by five is an enormously forward. Tranquility bass is well underway from what they were doing on that first album. It's so fucking visceral. Have you ever tried to play that song before Dave? No, I can imagine the pace of that even. The armwork for every all four of them the way they're playing is extraordinary like you know it's phenomenal and this house at the circus is just built around all these mad little ideas which individually don't make sense. This is not of the idea of sitting right over an acoustic guitar. You can't do that to someone like this house at the circus. It's full of mad ideas so yeah I don't know I think a lot of people have that opinion and even for the rest of the adolescent there's nothing like that on the first album. No, maybe it's just that the the style begins to become maybe very different from the first album after that one. Maybe the it's still to me the same band and then it was just over a year wasn't it between albums? Yeah yeah yeah. Like that you very much how busy that band were. That's fucking mental. Yeah, mental. They're in the eye of the storm get important every direction being offered. I can only imagine serious money to play a lot of the shows they've been offered at that point. And they're going actually we got back to the studio a bit of a lot of second album that if you don't mind lads. Yeah. So you're later incredible. That's incredible when you look through that number of albums as well. Some reason I've forgotten one of those. I think Humbug I've forgotten the I was thinking. I mean Humbug's great. I think again an album that I think the years have been very kind to you. That was really dismissed at the time. I think there's six out of ten of the enemy when it came out. Really? Six out of ten and up in the years been even like the fan base and stuff. People love that album now for the most part. But they just weren't ready for it. They've yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great. Obviously. Great band and probably one of the ones that 50 years down the line will be celebrated. I think that's fair to assume. I'm going to see what they do next. It's coming to see what happens. And our headline act. If you see one guest, Dave Chanel. I have a feeling it's the band. They are. Yeah. I reckon they were probably a band that started in South London for more in Brighton. Had a few albums. And then split up and then came back very recently for a monumental summer. Well, a lot of what you've said there is correct. It's a racist. It's not a macabre. Oh no. Yeah. It's a huge, huge band for me. Oh no. I didn't even make the That's that's rocked me. That's rock, John. I made a rock. That's why. No, no, you've said Oasis. That's obviously making total sense because you're wearing an Oasis. I'm wearing my little bit of Oasis cosplay, my little Oasis tracksuits. Yeah. Sorry. So I should have fought but before I had Macapune Anya before, it's okay. Yeah. Okay. No, take it away then. Oasis. I can daily remember life before Oasis. And I've done a podcast special just talking about my relationship with the Oasis. Like a one off thing. I've watched right a few words about it. And Oasis are a band whose music gets played at times of height and emotion. They get played during sport montages. They get played at weddings. They get played at funerals. And they're just a constant in the lives of British people. And this summer, getting to hear those songs again, yeah. It's not have a ballad to say. It was the best night of my life that first night. I went twice. That first night I went and believed it was an avalanche of emotions. I cried. Oh, fucking eyes out for the most of that. I said, Dave, I could have believed how good it was. Until you had nothing left to give. Very little. I'm impressed. We sort of made our way to the exit a little bit towards the last couple of songs. And a bunch of the Helen Nash, and if you know Helen Cate sister. I know of her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's got to be doing your work. I was like, fucking hell. Like just this breath, you know, only had two songs left to think. It was like a Wonder Woman champagne supernova. I mean, yeah, one of the second in two. And just, you know, the songs that I've always been there and getting to share them with 80,000 people in that stadium that all felt so lucky to have those tickets and to get to be there. It was really, really special. It's the hours as a kid spent watching Oasis videos and playing guitar to their songs in my bedroom, you know, that isolation you feel is a teenager and lack of. But when I'm just doing moon, you sit there in your bedroom playing, no, Gallagher acoustic songs and finding sort of who you are as a person. And yeah, sort of facing an entire personality and existence around these two brothers. And it's easy to get as a when you want to start picking up a guitar it's one of those bands that you can go straight to look at the chords and. Which was lucky, you know, not not every band you can sort of. Yeah, replicate. And once you've got maybe those sort of five or six classic Oasis chords, in the case of the first couple of albums, they repeat themselves certainly quite often. And so before you know it, my brother was his first school band, essentially in Oasis covers band. Right, I didn't know that. And I think there's that thing where once you hook yourself into it, you can start doing them all. And the satisfaction of as an early guitar is learning, guitar being Albert to do that. Maybe really as a younger person sort of gets you into it even more so. That's a really good observation actually. I never really considered that like say for example, a sound garden or a Metallica or even a muse for example, a really intricate band, your man on the street isn't necessarily going to sit there at home with the cheaper keys to the guitar going, oh fuck, you know, I'm having these songs. And maybe that's why another reason why so many people feel so connected to that band is like we've all been sat in our bedrooms feeling a bit mopey and sad and played, you know, wonderful or fucking slider way or something. I think it would be the case for people of our generation that were there as it was happening, but as a young young beat, I mean, I would have been like 12 maybe that kind of age. I think the people that were like late teens early 20s when it came out probably more connecting to them because of the whole, you know, the fashion, what they were standing for and the attitude and the way you might do now with a band but for people of my age who were getting into music from that kind of point, I think Oasis were pretty big from that point of view that it was an easy band to kind of get yourself set up and play. That's how I take it anyway. I mean absolutely, I think you're exactly right. And it's hard, you know, they have no business achieving what they've achieved before, for the very five young men from accounts of a stay who are pretty much all terribly treated by their parents and abusive dads and fucking on the dull like life did not set them up to achieve what it did, you know. Well the way is actually, I mean, no, these days, you know, really incredible musician but I'd say that early, especially the first lineup, it's not exactly the most kind of talented bunch of musicians. The songs that they wrote stand for themselves and if anything, a very accomplished band, it wouldn't sound the same and it wouldn't work. It kind of needs that it's more about the culture and the attitude around it that sort of brings it to life. What a fucking band Dave. Yeah. What a band. How lucky we are as a nation to have an Oasis have an art at monkeys, have a Beatles, have a daft punk. I mean, it's not daft punk. But like, how lucky are we, you know, to have this band in our orbit? Yeah. And the thing like, I didn't go to the Oasis show, did try, didn't manage to, but the thing that I took away from that seemed really cool was that when I did see Oasis back in the day, I think I was there, in '09, that kind of '08, '09 era. So yeah. It was very, very laddy to the point where you felt a bit kind of, oh God, what's going to happen here? Or there would be a fight kicking off around you, but from the sense, like, oh, it was everyone was like yourself kind of there in the moment, just enjoying it, savoring it. Yeah. And arms around people as opposed to wanting to fight people. No, it's exactly right. I mean, honestly, sometimes you just turn around with your hands in the air, you'd lock eyes with someone and you'd give them a hug, or you'd fucking give them a little fist bump or whatever it was. There was so much camaraderie in the entire audience. I don't think I've ever seen before, and I want to stay. I really have them. I'm glad that it happened. Yeah, could you go on the other way, right? I think they've all grown up having these people, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I just think the puppy's less, I'm not wrong in saying that, it's less alky, aggy, dickheads about. I don't know if I'm wrong in saying that. I don't know, maybe not. I saw wonder if it was so hard to get tickets, but it was spent a lot of money on them that they didn't want to be kind of thrown out, and maybe, yeah, as a kind of. It was just killing to get in at one point, and it was really weird. It was almost like a father and son had like an argument with each other. They got really heated. And the people, the curators come and sort of take them apart from each other, but what are they doing? They're not even going in yet, they've been waiting for this. They're going to be weird, but that was the close to the sort of tiny even mild regression of violence, yeah, it was just pure joy. Congratulations. Yeah. I wanted to talk to you very briefly about your job prior to where you are now at the Cumberland Hotel that you used to work for the sales for Heifer Express. Yes. Obviously people coming off flights, going into London, and therefore you saw some of your heroes and all of the bands of the moment, various other celebs I imagine, is there, could you maybe give me like a top five moments of people you met at that point? Sure. Yeah. So basically, I don't know if people know, it's London. It's quite a hug, and a lot of very famous people arrive at London. In my job, I was to see pretty much everyone that came from Heifer Airport. A lot of them are very, very famous people. On November the first, I saw a famous person in my job, like a week or two in, and it was Louis Feroux, Emma Bunton, and someone else in the space of like four minutes of each job. I was going to say they were together. No, but they've been in the same flight, and they were sort of like, I mean, they made me a chair and I can't quite remember now, it's like 15 years ago. And I thought, wow, that's mad. And then slowly it kept on happening. I kept seeing famous people like, I've got to start getting some photos of these people or something. And basically, a monster was, I think the first person I got a photo with at work was Adele. It was just for the massive album. Yeah. I think it was a week which released that she wasn't a Dele Dele at that point. No, no, no. And yeah, it's got a photo of Adele. And then it was like a snowball after that, just like every other day I'd be getting a selfie, the famous person. On November, Mick Jagger coming through about a month or two into me doing the job, and I was serving a customer, and it just came walking past, and I was thinking, fuck, professionalism, Mick Jagger, professionalism, Mick Jagger up on. Mick, Excel on Main Street, it's one of my favourite albums of all time. It goes, geez, my other good day, winter. And I just didn't get a photo, and the customer I was serving goes, that was Mick Jagger, I've gone, yeah, that is so cool. And I was like, oh, fuck, I should've got the photo. I'm off now. I'll see you later as I've ridden the door, like, oh man, I blew it. But yeah, I met Ronny, I got one Ronny Stein. I guess I got a selfie of Ronny Words. I met Liam and Noel. Liam told me, I reminded him of Tom from Cassabium, which at the time, less so now. Well, yeah, you don't really want to be associated now, but yeah. No, not great, but at the time, it was meant as a compliment, when I was quite high energy and excited, or I think it was what he was getting at. So that was cool. Was he, I know, the kind of caricature, Liam and Noel, or do they, sort of, Liam was chill, man. He was really chill. He's a BDI era, and he's probably the most relaxed ever seen him being. He was like, just grinning here to where Apry is Larry. No arrogant about him, at all. Like, you're doing a manual, right? Yeah, like in class, man. I said about how, like, we have to put up a horrible purple uniform. I said, you need to get fucking pretty green to sort our kid out, man, look at dickhead in this. He goes, nah, man, you look class. Don't worry about it, man. You look great. Just dream loud, and you have to dream that. No, it was a bit of a grumpy dickhead, but that's alright. That's no guy that goes loud to be. And obviously, I see these people after they come off from long-haul flights, in fact. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Although over or whatever, they don't know me in a fin, you know? And at the same time, you see them, they haven't necessarily, they don't need a ticket, you're sort of there, just in case they have a ticket. Just any other comments from the airport that go past me, basically. So yeah, it was really, really boring and shit that job. And occasionally you'd meet someone very famous, someone that's had a huge impact on my life, or sometimes it's the person from Maiden, Chelsea, and it would bring a little, little something of excitement to your day. Yeah. And it was, yeah, correct. It's a mad viral moment on her social media, occasionally as well. That was the days of Twitter, wasn't I, since I remember watching this happen on Twitter for you? Yeah, it's on Facebook. And yeah, Facebook, and then Facebook, so Facebook and Twitter, and then Twitter and Instagram, I guess, and then just Instagram. Was there anyone that came through that you were like glad to see but turned out to be, you know, not what you wanted from it? I guess I know one that I cared too much about. It's not as if any proper heroes with tickets, more or see with the dickheads, but it's more or see. It's going to be a huge, you know what I mean? So I mean, I think so. Like there was no one that I admired if it turned out to be a secret cunt. So yeah, if it was alright. I will conclude this here then. That's been really good fun. Thanks very much. And as I said, very, very early on in the interview, you are now a DJ. It's official. I'm a DJ Dave. And they'll be joining us as the headline act to close the camera club in it's actually one week today. I don't know when this happens. Yeah, but one week today, and we will see him there, and he's going to make sure he plays all of those bands he mentioned. I need to learn how to DJ in seven days. So if people can please get in touch, it would be much appreciated. It'll be signed on YouTube somewhere. Cheers mate. That was great. Thanks very much. Cheers Dave. you