43. Cal & Hugo’s BOOZY Post London Marathon Holiday & Building a ‘Runfluencer’ Boxing Card…

There was nothing I could, I couldn't smile at you. I couldn't be surprised. And then I was like, I didn't think I'm a bad person. - Were you talking about me? - 100%. - We are five then. And I was like, we, and then at 21k, neither of us from the mood. - And we'd get like violent. And people would say things, you can't really take that. - Cheers by the way. - The Italian jobless. (upbeat music) - Yeah, yeah. (upbeat music) (laughing) - Yeah, I wish it was a prom cracker. - Tell me that doesn't sound like it. - My god, it's just started playing on the speaker at home. - Oh shit. - Oh no, no, no, no, you got a mad spider. - Oh. - No, I've just tried to play a song and it's just started playing on our bows at home. - Is it a hit? - Yeah, she must be. She was like, why the fuck is stick season playing? - Right. (upbeat music) - Why? - I love this song. (upbeat music) - Oh yeah. (upbeat music) - Yeah. - Oh my god, she just changed the song from home. Is he fuck off? (laughing) Oh my god. - Do you want me to get up? - No. (upbeat music) - Suck your mom. - I thought he says suck to your mom. - Suck to your mom. - But he says saw your mom. - No. - I thought he said suck to your mom. - Well famously, he started this podcast. - Just thought it was, just thought it was, swings in roundabouts. - Yeah, the expression swings in roundabouts. - Swings in roundabouts. - Just thought it was swings in roundabouts. (laughing) - So we were, that caravan, we were driving somewhere. And she was like, oh yeah, like swings in roundabouts. - Thoughts like what? - No, hang on. Not sure what that one. - Not sure what that one. - Yeah. - Well, anyway, welcome back to the podcast. As you'll notice, we're in an unusual setting this week. We have had the pleasure of been invited on a lovely running holiday. We're at Runhouse, what it's called. The company is called Runhouse. But this is technically Runhouse behind us. Lovely little pool. Guys, you say we've got Antone over here on the trip who's just doing laps. - What's a funny story about Antone? - Oh, this is Mad. He overtook Connell in the last hundred meters of the Paris half. What a guy. And he just whipped up this video. He's like, by the way Connell, he's obviously recognized him. And he said he'd pull up this video and he was like, fucking gapping him at the end. - Absolutely mad. Apparently Connell beating by 30 seconds though, 'cause he started in a later wave. Connell was so quick to mention that. - Yeah. - He had to back him up. But yeah, Connell was helping us with the setup to those. So thank you to him. But yeah, no, we've come on the trip to it. - It's a bit weird, like people are just watching us. - Oh, that's fine. - Oh, that's fine. - Yeah. - Yeah. - All right. Lockin starts tomorrow. - Yeah. - We are locking you for life. - It's Monday today. - From the UFC, you need to. - All right. - She's the evening. - People are fucking watching now. - Oh no. - We've got a problem with our hands. So yeah, let me just quickly summarize this trip, obviously, myself, Hugo and Connell, we got invited on it to basically just come and see what it's like. This is the first one. You're right, then. - And I'm a bit worried. My beer's already kind of empty. - Oh, it's fine. We've got a glamorous assistant. - Yeah, I know. - So if you see a beautiful blonde man, who, by the way, I've put Connell on my story. It's quite a few times in life. But since we've been collabing on those Italian jobless reels, the man has got a new following. And also a new fandom of females, who really, they've been sending me DMs asking if he's single. He is. - He is single. - And he's like, yes. - Can I, I think we should establish a bit of intro, really, because obviously we've just cut back and forth. - Yeah. - Basically, we're in Belonia, we're near Belonia. We traveled into Belonia for this trip. It was Friday to, Friday to a month, Tuesday. We've just gone on holiday where you run every day. - Yeah. - And it's based around running. - And also, it's the most booze that's been in months. - It's nice though, because it's nice to just chill out. - Yeah, you need it after London. - Big, a big training block. - A big training block for both of us. - Yeah, yeah. Have you found the trip so far? You enjoyed it? - It's been nice to relax. - And actually spend time with you and Connell. It's been funny. - It's been good. - It's been a lot of fun. - It's really good fun. It's nice to just piss about your mates. And actually do something a bit wholesome. - Yeah, and every night has been just a lot of fun. - Yeah, it's been good a lot. - Last night we played a game and I feel like the whole group rebelled against the leader. - Yes. - Said he is organizing this trip. And I feel like after a couple of drinks, no one was really listening to him. - No, we were all rebelling against him. - So basically, Sid, he owns the company. We played a game of werewolf, which if you don't know what werewolf is, it's basically like the traitors. - Yeah. - And the problem was, everyone's played this game with different variations of the rules. Now I played it in Australia and we basically did the person with the most folks get knocked out and the game moves quickly. - Way quicker. - Like storylines build, all of this stuff, it's easy, it's someone to pin on it. - Yeah. - Also, to be fair, it was very civil. - It was. - When I played it, when I used to play with some family friends and they'd be like eight to 10 of us. And we'd get like violent. You know what I mean? - That exact same thing. - Yeah. - Is that monopoly when you're younger? - Oh mate, when you're younger now. - No, I don't. - My brother-in-law, he had a full on scrap with my mum. My mum was not happy. - No, yeah, my brother, he's gonna hate me for this. He's like a. Dungeons and Dragons guy. - Oh yeah, D&D. - D&D, yes. - Like stranger things for those who don't know that. - He puts his headset on every week and he plays with his mates. - All virtually. - He does it virtually. - What do you mean virtually? - It was a ball game. - No, it's like you create stories and share. - Yeah, but you can do that online, can you? - Yeah. - I don't know. - He still does it. - He still does it. - Yeah, he started just after uni and he still plays with the same group of lads. - How mad is that? - So awesome, I can't lie. - I believe it was awesome. - But it took me by surprise the first time he did it because he put his headset on and we were living together. And I was like, what are you doing brother? And he was like, oh sorry, don't listen to me. I'm just playing a game for the next five hours. And I was like, okay, I'm like a Tuesday night. Fair enough. But yeah, he gets quite animated. We're playing, have you played tickets to ride? - No, no. - It's a great game. It's trains. - Okay. - And you build your own routes and actually it's very hard. - Like trains simulator. Sort of, but you're like, you get like cards and you don't know where the other person's building to. - Right. - So you have to connect cities and stuff. - It's a real solo game. It's actually meant to be like, we're playing, but it's just nice and you just, it's cathartic. It's a nice game. He still gets violent over it. And like, we went to, he was living in Norway and I mean, my mom went out to visit him for his birthday. And on that trip, we rented this beautiful cabin just outside to Vanga. - No idea what that is. - Lovely. Shout out to Norwegians. - Yeah. And he got, he got like, he said some mean shit to me that I don't think. - Well, because you were getting involved in the game. - No, I was playing with him and I caught across him when he was trying to build from like one city to another and I accidentally caught across him 'cause I didn't know where he was building to. - It's been a beautiful success going on. - And he just like rinsed me and he just like, went in on me for like five minutes about how much of a bad brother I was. And then he was just like, oh wow, that I took that really out of proportion, didn't I? And I was like, yeah, we were playing a train game. (laughing) Have you ever had an era of video games? - No. Have you never been in one video game? - I brought my brother, Kool-A-Jutti, Modern Warfare, which is the one where the dog attacks you? - Number four. - Number four. - No wait, Kool-A-Jutti four is the first one which is Modern Warfare. - Yeah, I bought that for my brother when I was like 13, he was like 15. - I think that maybe might be more warfare too then. - Yeah, maybe more warfare too. - Modern Warfare too is the one with the civilian killing. - Yeah, yeah. - The apple. - Yeah, that was the reason I wasn't allowed to buy the game. - So I bought it without my mum knowing, then there's a very vivid scene where a dog attacks you and kind of rips you throughout. - And you have to kill the dog. - Yeah, and my brother wasn't so quick on the little like, remember that move? - Yeah, with the nice shirt, the mishet, yeah. And unfortunately on the base screen, the dog eats this person's face. Obviously it's very low budget at the time, but my mum took the game out the device and just, oh yeah, you have said this story on the podcast before. I went for an era where I was in, like a lot of teenage lads incredibly addicted to Call of Duty. Modern Warfare too, the issue was, I just wasn't like, I wasn't very good at it. I feel like video game players, okay. - Well shout out to Sam Griffith, who was a professional Call of Duty player. - And also Sam King, the guy who did 80 Ultramarathons. - Oh yeah, oh yeah. - He was like, he was like one of the best Call of Duty players in the world. - Well I love Call of Duty more on Faye 2 for a bit. Black ops as well, and then I remember, - Do you ever play, is it Red Net Redemption? - No, I played that. - I also had a storylines game, but that was good. And then my brother was real big into Skyrim. - By the way, my brother is a massive loser here. - He's not on social media. - So yeah, he doesn't really care. - He's never gonna listen to this. - Well you know what? - God no, my sister's real locked into our content. - Yeah. - No, I feel like it's a bridge to you fire. I don't think my mum would listen to our podcast. - Although she said she cried at my London marathon video. - Why do you love her? - No, that's alright, it's cute. - Yeah. - It's awesome. - Yeah. - Come on. - I've watched that. - Is it a family affair now these videos? - Yeah, I know. - It's a family business mate. - It is. - Yeah, I guess yeah. - Yeah, it is. - You get married to her. - No, no, no. - Because my brother-in-law edits them. - Oh, of course. - Yeah, yeah. - So he's the one that brings him to life. - He does me dirty occasionally. (laughing) - Well, we all want to go into that. But yeah, no, you chatted some shit about me on a podcast, if you fair. (laughing) - It's all you're doing people dirty. - Yeah, I was on a bigger platform. - Oh, I liked it. - I liked it. - I wanted to shoot down, 'cause that was the vibe. - You wanted to basically just kick your friend in the face. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And yeah. - Will you talk about me? - 100%. (laughing) - Or make your mouth open. - I know people that sent me that clip and said, oh, he's chatting shit about you. - Yeah, it's just like people, I've had the issue with clipping for a cast and so far. Like, 'cause there's no context, you just lose context and then we were talking about the hierarchy of rock's genre. - Yeah, who are you talking about? - Yeah, like, there's not watch the episode. - Insulting. - To be fair, I'm not sure. - Yeah, no, I mean. - I haven't watched your latest YouTube. - Yeah, it's fine. - Got busy life, I've got a busy life. - You don't watch my real stuff, so far. - I do watch all your real stuff. - I know you're one of those, you're those Stan who likes it straight away. - Yeah, because I'm sorry. - You just can't be bothered to watch the team when it's the script. - Yeah, he helps me. - No, sorry, we were saying. What was the context of that clip you were saying? You were saying-- - I was basically saying that there's certain people online who pretend they're going for a time goal, to say they're going for a time goal, and then they don't reach it. They were never going to, but you clearly documented that-- - No, it was a very unfortunate time clip. - It was almost two unfortunately times. - Yeah, you know what, it's for you, you know what? - And I've learned my lesson. - I mean, it's not your fault, mate. You're not the one editing it. - I just didn't say super chat on podcast. - I don't think, but the point you were making isn't stupid though. - No. - So it's fine. - The way they clip it though is clever. - Yeah, they're clever. - But no, London Marathon, we haven't spoken since. Izzy bless her, she come on obviously the day after and she would such a tough podcast. Me and Gavre were sitting at home and you like messaged the group, and we were like, why is he doing a pod? - He's gonna be in the bin today. - I don't know, I know. - His head must have been so terrible. - But I say, for me, I feel like it was a really great opportunity for me to be as raw as possible. Like even though sometimes I look back and go, yeah, but was that the best idea? But it's actually kind of part of the journey. - Being that, do you know what I mean? - Yeah, but also sometimes find it's like your headscramble because you were drinking probably. - Yeah. - So feeling a bit weird. - I actually didn't know. - Also you were getting a bit of like, stick online, I was just like, this is not the time. - Peach. - I got stick by that point. - I didn't know. - Because we recorded Monday at 2pm I think, and it all kind of kicked off Monday evening. - Oh, okay. - So you were feeling still. - I had the odd Pete person messaged me called me a bottle job and stuff. But I mean, like it's obviously gonna happen. - So far. - Yeah, just got a fucking-- - You are a bottle job. - Yeah, next time. - Got a bottle. - Got a bit better. - Yeah, next time just train harder. - Just a little whim. - Yeah. - It was quite nice this weekend. Be able to actually run with you. - We did a little K together probably. - Absolutely max. - It wasn't the bin. - Yeah. - I've not felt good since London. - No. - Talk to me, how was it, man? Let's have our little debrief now. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Little debrief. On me, I think my block was probably a touch too long, possibly a touch too intense. And then the week before I did too much. And I got to race day and I felt a bit exhausted. And I was on me. I was like, "I'm not making excuses." There's no, like, I'm not making excuses. - I don't think you're making excuses by saying that though. - And I still PB'd obviously, so, you know, I should, and it's the best result I've had at London. But I got to 25K. It was so funny. So Adam Clark, - Shards are on call. - Yeah, great. - But he was pacing. He was principal, first, he came. The 215 group. - Yeah. - And he'd messaged me the night before. I'd put this like clip up of like the, have you seen the boxer getting a pet talk? - And he saw that. - We are firemen. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Flames don't intimidate us. And he was just like, "I can't wait to shout at you at 21." Being like, "We are firemen." And I was like, "We," and then at 21K, neither of us from the mood. He was in the bin. I was in the bin, I was like. - But did he say it to you though, in the race? - No. - Oh. - No. I took his bottle, 'cause I was just in, I was in the pits. - So he told me, "Okay, right." So the race starts. - Yeah. - Do you feel good at any point? - First 5K felt good actually, it's prefer. We, you kind of, you have this weird moment where like, you're just like searching for people you know. So like, I was in front of George Grassley, who came, who did last a long. - Yeah. And I saw him and him and Andy, and I went, "I'm not meant to be here." (laughing) So let's slow down. And like Max was pacing that group, and he was behind me and I went, "Oh God." And I was like, "Rody with like Jack Row." And I was like, "This is the first 200 meters." - "I'm not welcome." - And I'm like, "Oh God." And like, these Africans are still there. You're like, "Oh God, what am I doing?" - So if you see any staffer, can you're probably doing so wrong? - Like, 'cause you start, like, also the start was, the CEO was so chaotic. They like, usually in the championship pen, they walk you, and then they've got like a rope. And, and you're maybe five meters behind the leaves. - Nine minutes. - And they're doing the announcements, and you're meant to be there. Like, when they're doing the announcements, they're going, "This is so, and he's gonna win." And, or, you know, and they'll read the accolades, and then they do the brits. But this time, they got the timing's wrong. So they were really moving, 'cause they were late. And we had like, I'd say like 30 meters to go, and they were counting down. Yeah. And so everyone starts like panic, and I could see guys like, like, panicking, 'cause like 30 meters. - They had a horse. - No, it's not even watch, it's like, you're not, you need to be 30 meters ahead. - Oh, got you. - You need to be right behind the elites to get the pacing groups, right? So then like, just carnage, and they're trying to keep the road. These like, poor volunteers are like, they were like 15, but like, they were all middle aged, kind of very wholesome people, try to help out, but they just had to drop the rope, and then people just like sprinted, 'cause then it was literally like five, four, three, and then everyone just like sets off at a mad pace. And then you're looking round, you're trying to find the right people, and then you're like 500 meters down, and that's when you start to like, the group starts to build. - Yeah. - And then yeah, the first like, 18K was on pace, felt okay. - But like in that 18K, did you feel like, I can feel a tough day coming on? - Yeah. - Or was it almost like, - No, I see you doing, you sort of, - I was just, - The first five wasn't hot for me. - Yeah. - It wasn't, it was on pace, it was 15, 50 or something like that. So I was like, I knew it was, and it shouldn't have felt easier, and I was just like, - It's almost like regardless of pace you're going, everyone has that same feeling. - Yeah. - It's either feeling amazing or feeling shit. - And I thought, I just stupidly didn't really try my race day shoes on. They were just slightly big, and I felt them moving, and I was just in my head. And like, are these all just like? - I don't understand how that happened when you wore the same size last year. - And I've worn them loads, and I just don't really get it. I think maybe because they were sent from Europe, and sometimes there is a-- - Are you K as a UK? - I know, I don't know. It was anyway, it was quite-- - It was some noise. - It was a fucking duck. - Something in the tree. - That was-- (laughing) - No, what? - Oh, it's a frog. (laughing) - I wish it got that. - Oh my god, that's so loud. - You look like that. (laughing) - He said, "Shut your door, or girls." - Yeah, so then 21K comes in, it's tower bridge. And that's last year where I really knew I fucked it. So this year I was like, I felt a bit better than last year at least. - So it can't be as bad as last year? - Yeah, but I knew I was already in trouble, and like, Clark, he was just in front of me, and I kind of looked at him, I was like, "Oh, do you mind if I just have a couple of "sips of your bottle?" And he was like, "Yeah, sure have it." Which super helped, 'cause he had some carb mix in there. - Was it carb mix? - Yeah, I don't really know what it was. 'Cause it was also, it wasn't that hot, but it was a bit hot, and like I felt my, when I know I'm kind of maxing out my ears, go. - Yeah, you've said this, 'cause we were talking to some of the people at this trip. - Yeah. - You were saying how you don't have that kind of cramps or anything like that to say that your body's about to give up, it's your hearing. - Yeah, I mean, I also get the only cramp, I get my cramps and my abs, my actual abs, and so it feels like it's ripping, and I still don't know why I get it, but I also got that out by 18k. - Because I really train abs though. - No, but that would be why. - Like you should train core apparently, if you, yeah, it was just frustrating, and then 25k came and Adam dropped out, and I looked at him, I thought, "You train." You went to get better. - Was he supposed to say that? - Yeah, but like, yeah, it's not, it's fun. - So I made a tomato at that point, and I were all in the bin, and then I dropped off a 26 from the group, and then it was solo for the last 16k. - Okay. - 10 miles of solo. - So when you're running, because something I experienced, I spoke about Vizzy, is how mental the crowds were, and like I found it almost in the most amazing way, kind of it felt like nowhere to hide, because every straight would be people shouting. How did you find that experience? As someone who's definitely, your London marathon race, was something that was incredibly anticipated by a lot of people watching. How did you find that? - It was a bit mad. - Yeah. - It was overstimulated, for sure. And I felt bad, because people were being so energetic and so supportive, and people were so supportive. - Signs and for me. - That's insane. - And like, it was crazy. - But like, random people you do know had signs. - Did it in signs, yeah. - So, you were like some repeated things. - Yeah. - And stuff like that. And I just felt that was mad. And then, I just couldn't, there was nothing I could, I couldn't smile at you. I couldn't be, and then I was like, I hope they didn't think I'm a bad person. - I don't think anyone's expecting someone running at your pace to almost be able to acknowledge. - Yeah. - And so, yeah. But the last from 30 to 40, we had maybe been a bit before. - I'd say to, yeah. - 30, 28 to 40 was pretty bleak. And then, when you kind of know it's the end, you can kind of pick up a little bit, but yeah, I wasn't anywhere near marathon pace. - It's when you see big bet, isn't it? It's so nice. - Yeah. - 'Cause that's such a moment, I've got a mile. - Yeah. - And then you actually got like four laps of the track. And then, yeah, just initial gut reaction was a bit disappointed. - Well, yeah, I saw Dr. Mimi. - Oh yeah. - It was helping on the finish line. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And she was like, oh, you didn't look good. And I was like, oh thanks. Yeah. And then I project off vomited by it everywhere. She was like, oh, you do not look good. Do you want anything? George Chockey milk. And I was like, the last thing I wanted is a get-pro-chockey milk. - Oh. - I tell you what though, it is needed. But not straight away. - Straight away. - Straight away. (laughing) - And then, my mum and sister were like, really happy to see me. - Wait, your mum and sister watched? - Yeah. - So we don't know what's happened. Why? But for some reason, we put two brand new batteries in the podcast recorder and they died. So we are now recording into the microphones on our chest and just holding these for dramatic feedback. - Like sitting here. Yeah, you need something in your hands. - You need something in your hands. - Just pretend you're speaking to the mic man. - All right, so we were talking about a family member that received company comms. We don't know if it was caught on camera. So let's just redo that story. - Yeah. - You told me the other day about something mental. - You said, one of your family members works for a massive company. - Yeah. - Big corp. - Big corp. - Sort of like stuff that we would never associate with. - Yeah. - Never. And they receive company comms. Tell us where you're going. - Yeah. And I got a screenshot in the family group chat being like, it's really weird to go just received an email saying, congrats to X's brother for just doing a 217 at London marathon. And I was like, what is going, what I just, at this point, I don't know. And it's so funny, my brother always goes to me. He's like, he got, it's so weird like my colleagues like, go, oh, can't wait for you guys next two good to go over you. And he's like, what's going on? - He is such a weird one, isn't it? - Yeah. - Like we were on this trip and like one of the women was like, I am my, somewhat basic. One the lads saw that we were on the trip because he posted his driver. And obviously when you do manage on the stromers with other athletes, and it came up with me. And then he was like, oh my God, you're on the same trip as Kau and Hugo. And then he was like, yeah. And then obviously they had a chat about it. But then someone else was like, yeah, my colleague said, he absolutely loves your videos. Just to see this podcast. - Bizarre. - Bizarre. - Yeah, Stacy's colleague. Hello, if you're listening. - The one he doesn't listen to. - Yeah, it will be the one he doesn't listen to. Right, so London marathon, obviously, two 17, 31. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Overall, what are you ranking that day out of 10? - Six. - Six. - Yeah, happy I've pee-bead. So much more to give. I mean, and now I did a 63 half, I should be doing better. - Yeah. - But lessons learned, spoke to the coach. He was fine with it, it is what it is. - Well, he's not going to be angry, is he? - Well, no, but you know, he wanted a lot. - And it's like, you know, do you think it's been good? - Yeah, do you think it's been a good one for you guys and your relationship together as coach and athlete to learn what? - It's the first time it's not gone perfectly. - Yeah. - 'Cause the first one was Blenzi 10K. Obviously, I got a, I broke that. - Wasn't that like a few weeks into here? And then Barca half did a mad 63 30 crazy. He was super happy about that. And then this is the first one that's not like gone crazy well. Even Barthalf was, it was a tough day, but still a 64 so a decent outing. And then yeah, this was the first one, but the marathon's brutal. - Yeah. - And you found that, and you found it many times. - It's honestly, it was an amazing and bad day, but also it was a day that I look back and feel like I honestly learned so fucking much, like so much. And I think that's really important, 'cause I'm so early in this journey, I've done six marathons, but I feel like I've only really scratched the surface because someone, there's probably people who've done six marathons and made like massive jumps each time. For me, I haven't necessarily had that, but I almost feel like I learn what worked for me, what didn't work for me, and yeah, I'm sort of just looking at that and going, I've learned how I can take it into the next race, and yeah, just sort of like kick on from there. Because it was one of them ones where it was like, I said this on the pods, I'm not gonna go too much again, but it was just from the jump, it's not like I went out and I just was calm for half a bit and hit a wall. I just, yeah, it was just from the start. - When it clicks, it is real good. - Yeah. - And you look really stressed about something for a second. Cornel just had his head in hand. - So it looked like he was like having a moment of crisis. - But no, yeah, you're right, when it clicks, it clicks. - Yeah, and like I've had a couple of those, and then you don't have a couple of them. And then, you know. - It's again, it's like having those experiences, I've had that first block where I've gone, oh shit, I've done everything right and it's not gone well. So then you kind of have to think and go, - What's in the marathon's brutal, right? - Yeah, of course. - I have a perfect block and it's a 40, it's a 42,000,000. - But all I will say is I had the perfect block before Paris last year and then I had the perfect race. So it's like, for me, in my head going into London, by the way, I know this isn't the case, but in my head going into London, it's like a perfect block equals perfect race. And now I've learnt that doesn't always mean the case. - And there's so many factors from that. I think half, you can very much know if you've done a good training, what you're gonna get something good. I think for full, there's still so many variables in the race day. So, I think, you know, just 'cause you didn't hit your time this time, doesn't suggest your block doubles and good. It just means that on the day things went wrong. And like, and you still put in the work. - Yeah. - You still got to like what 90 KM. - Yeah, so I was like averaging close to 60 a week, for 16 weeks and peaks and 90. So, which is something I've never done before. And that's the thing, like obviously, I don't want to dwell on negatives too much 'cause there's been so many lovely, like, comments and it's like positive stuff. But when the negative ones and people saying, "He didn't work hard enough." I worked hard enough relative to me. So, it's like, you can't say, if someone could be a 230 marathoner, complaining about what I've done, but that's because they're not in my shoes. I'm doing this for the first time. - Or say people think like, oh, he's an influencer. He's probably bumming around all day. But your life is actually really busy. And you work for yourself, so you're probably putting more pressure on yourself to make money. And actually, I found that I didn't realize how much work goes into our day to days, if that makes sense. And like, I don't think, obviously life is blessed. I love what I do. - It's fucking class. - It's class, but also it doesn't mean it's not, it doesn't mean you're not busy. You're not sitting at home doing niche. Like, you're still working hard. - Some creators do, don't get me wrong. That does happen for some people, but I feel like when you're putting out the amount that we both do, it's impossible to rest on your laurels. And like, both of us are driven. I don't want to rest on my laurels. I want to very much go from the place of, but it's more of my saying is like, people are going like, oh, he does nothing else. He can't, I don't know why he's not doing more. Is that what you're busy? - But that's always gonna happen. That view is always gonna happen. Looking forward, I will get onto audience questions, but something a lot of people have been asking is our future racing plans. And before you go into yours, you go, I'm just thinking about mine and how I want to structure my summer and autumn. The immediate thought for me was as soon as I finished the race and had that disappointment of the few days after be like, what am I gonna do? I need to redeem myself. I was like, actually no cow. What you need to do is just almost go backwards and start a bit more from scratch on the basics and using those summer months to build a base. So I think that's what I'm gonna do is use the summer months to build a base. - Try and use it five and tens. - Exactly, try and smash speed. - Yep, yeah. Smash out a five K time that I'm proud of. I'm gonna try and go sub 14 to 10 this summer as well. And then also as well, just as you said, add some more cross training and get back on the bike, build up that kind of base a bit more and then really just hit a kind of solid block towards the back end of the summer into autumn, kind of like lean into a block and then hit a 12 week block for Valencia. - Valencia. - Yeah. - That's the plan. - Valencia is my thing. - So if you got your spot yet, no. - But again, - Shad, I don't know if it's gonna give me a Valencia spot. - Yeah, I mean, it'd be pretty easy for you. - But how's it work with Valencia? Is it a good for age situation as well? - No, it's already done. - Is it just you have to enter? - It's sold out. - Yeah, no I know. No I know, but like, you know how London is obviously you can't buy a ticket for London, you enter a ballot. - No, it's not. You just first come first, everything. - Okay, for everyone. - I've got the mobility. - Yeah, okay. It's quite expensive though. - Yeah, we've got all marathons on now. - It's like a hundred a year is. - Actually that's a question for you. Someone did ask this and I was gonna answer it later on. - Yeah. - What's the one non marathon major that you haven't done that you want to do? (sniffing) 'Cause you've done that. a lot of the good ones to be fair for me off the bat because I'm done here I just copen Hagen. Yeah I've done Copenhagen Barcelona. Um, uh, Geneva. Have you done Seville? No, never done Seville could be a good shout. I've done Valencia, I've done CIM. I've done many in America and outside of the majors, but then again yeah I don't know maybe Austin might be cool with SuperHilly. Yeah, yeah that's the thing. Maybe Rotterdam Amsterdam would be cool. They're flat and fast. Yep. Seville would be good. Rotterdam you're likely to get an elite spot there wouldn't you? I think so yeah probably. Yeah and then. With your 63 minute, um, half, can you get an elite spot in a lot of places now? Yeah I probably need to be like 30s. I need to be like sub 63 I think is like for like London is like. For London to be in the elite you need to be 62 50 or something. Yeah and also I don't know if I'd get it because usually they're the only let people who I think if you've done a really good half but not done in marathon. Okay. So is that your debut? Got you. I think. I don't know but I'm not there yet and I'm not going to be getting a 62 any time soon. No. Yeah probably uh, Seville I think yeah. Seville probably. Yeah. Well and then it's just a shit time for a block. Yeah. That's the only thing with Seville. Yeah you go through Christmas. You start the start of December, go through Christmas, you do it at the start of February. Yeah. That's a bit shit. Yeah it's tough. That's like you have to be so logged in. Yeah Chris will say it. You can have Christmas day off I think you'd be fine. You can have Christmas day off. Well you didn't really this year you were fucking dicking about all over Christmas. I was also dicking around December. Yeah I've been doing a lot. Dic around December we call it. I've got a wee cool at that. So funny story if you know on the podcast we've done I can't remember if we. Was it with Gabe? No it wasn't with Gabriel. Alfie. It was with Alfie that I said this. About the Mo Farahloo Coletler debate. Oh yeah yeah. So that has now reached new levels of viral where some boxer just rehashed the same thing that everyone's been twinkling on the podcast. Oh yeah yeah. And for some reason he got a fucking reply. He got reply from Luke Coletler. Oh yeah. Okay Luke Coletler replied about it. I can't remember what Luke said. Mo Farah then responded because he got sent. This guy's clapping and then he started messaging. Mo Farah responded saying he would lose. Yeah. In this debate by the way if you don't know what the debate is it's 501. Got to check out 501 on the dart board after doing. It's the argument's different for some people. Some people say 5Ks and we say half marathon. Anyway regardless. I did an interview with Mo Farah. Oh you just jess you to Coletler and get some more beers. You've got beer? Yeah go on then. Thank you mate. We've got some in the freezer. I know. Yeah. We've locked them up. Right so this is serious. This is so funny. Cheers by the way. The Italian jobless. What a series. So right for no Farah context. Dave Wall on the marathon. I interviewed Mo Farah, a meal, careers and coach Bennett with Nike at Run Limited. And I had to prepare a sheet of questions for Mo. So at this point it was just Mo and coach Bennett. Coach Bennett's really relaxed. But they know that like he's just like a very flamboyant character. We'll probably answer anything and know that I'm not going to ask him anything outrageous. With Mo they wanted to vet the questions. That's fair. Which is so fair. Like it happens by the way with so many like big interviews. Yeah so much. Mo and you vet your questions of me obviously with my answer. I vet the chat at heads. I vet the video. He definitely does. I vet the clips like other people. Anyway so Mo Farah I had to send the questions in. And he I put on the list the 501 question. I said I want to know if he will beat Luke Littler in a half marathon. If they have to check out 501 at the end of each half not a half marathon. I did my end of each mile. And they responded. They were like now we'll leave that one. I was like fair enough. But I thought I'd try. Yeah. And then I see this boxer get his clip answered by Mo Farah. Fuming. Yeah. It was a sick experience though man. Yeah. The first day of a meal crezes and I got to eat. Yeah that's cool. I did conspire with you that it was going to be that. Cage really. I mean obviously I was told it was a secret guest until the day. Yeah. But it was so obvious he was going to Nike. Yeah. Continuing he was wearing alpha flies like months before in those videos. Yeah. The Nike team were fucking unreal by the way. They were so nice and also Mo and a meal. Because obviously I met them before coach Bennett came. They were just like so relaxed. And it was after all the I'm a slab drama. Oh. So he Mo walks in and I'm like to him I've just been watching your ticked up this morning. There's been a lot of drama isn't there? Yeah he was just talking about you saying yeah it was crazy. It was crazy. That's wild. Yeah. Hot take. I don't I watch that one I don't know who's. I can work out. I started was. I know. Yeah. Somebody started. I know. He's mad. He's mental. Right. Okay. Let's go on some audience questions. Yeah. I'm just going to ask you a question. Who do you be matched against? I've got a shout. Yeah, okay. We put him against Josh jogs. But I feel like Josh has that beef. I don't see that beef. No, but I think Josh is a sort of guy. It's a love and not a fighter. Yeah. I think when push comes to show. I think he's done a charity boxing. Yeah. Kane and Solomon versus Josh jogs first fight. Yeah. We're looking at him. Nice. Cool. You're a good guy. I'm a good fighter. I'm a good fighter. Second fight. Let's go women. Oh, god. No, let's. Okay, right. So I think we should go. I think we should go down the route of. Hmm. Right. I bet Holly Archer would be a unreal. Holly Archer. Holly Archer. The beef she'd create. Yes. Okay, I'm liking this. I'm liking this. I bet that she's a high rock girl who's. would Paige get involved. Oh, Paige! Don, I'm good at shouting. Yeah. Holly and me, Paige. And then there's a high rock, a bit of beef. Beef, yeah. The thing is Holly's on the Elite 15. Paige, one day she will be there. Yeah. I think there's a potential. between her and me. to be creative. to be creative. to be creative. I've got Eddie heard, hi, Ross. Right. Okay, second. You still have a desone, which obviously did miss bits as well. So, like, there's synergy here. Yeah, this is fun. I've got a contact, I don't. No, let's pretend I'm not anymore. No, definitely left disgracefully there. She go, what are you doing? I've created another rule. You're doing your job now. Right. We put you on this card. Who am I fighting? I don't know. Right. She should go for I. Obviously, we just put ourselves against each other. I can fight you, man. I can fight you. For the right price? What's the price? We could beef it up, you know. Precision V. K.D. and. like, in there. Like, hydration sensation. The battle of the brides. God. Oh, I don't know, man. I hope this isn't windy. Okay. That's fine. He's James War not fighting. Oh, James War, good shout. Good shout. I think he needs to be second headline. He's selling out. Yeah, but I think. It's like, you got one side of the car, which is Mary V. Someone, but I don't know who Mary's going against. Maybe, Anne, you ever. Like, we got K-N and Josh. We've got Paige for Cittali Archer. So niche. We've got. You know, I want Tommy involved as well. Tommy trees. Tommy trees. He's this rant Japan. Rant Japan fucks him up, by the way. He literally used to remember that. Oh, God, yeah, yeah. Tommy's so screwed. Yeah. All right. We're putting them together. We've got to get Nick involved. Nick Bester. Yeah. This fucking frog shot up, man. All right. What about. I'm sure we're missing some obvious. I know we're missing some obvious ones. So please. We're very London centric as well. Who's like list fighting? All the Alistar. Who are these guys? I mean, Gabriel Vialester, just Northern, I guess. I think that's a mismatch. I think actually. I'm changing it. Tommy Trees versus Gabriel. - I like that. - Battle of the Cotes. - Second headliner. Rans Japan versus Alistair Armour. - Yeah, okay, big. Battle of the Gingers. - But we'll say Rans Japan is way taller. - Is it me? - Alistair's not short. Alistair's not short at all. - I didn't think he was short. - Rans Japan is not tall. - Nah, he's probably like 5, 10, 5, 11. - Fair, fair, okay. - He's not short, but he's also not tall. - Okay, I think we should be like, if you wanna see this, I'll organize it. - But I'm so keen. - So I need a side project. - Unfortunately, we've got to put the queen of run-fluencing Mary as the headliner, but who are we putting her against? - Guys, here we go. - This is blockbuster. - Yeah. - Now this is the fight of all fights. The headliner event, Mary McCarthy versus Anoracher. (laughing) That is the absolute pinnacle of the sport. That is boxing does not get much better than that. Surely he doesn't. - I think the world would stop for a day. - There'll be a national holiday. - I think we could sell out Emily. - I think we do the OVO arena. - O2 for sure. - O2 in the go. - No, please leave your suggestions in the comments. - Oh my God, this is fucking the dialogue. Who do you wanna see fight? - Yeah. (laughing) - Who do you wanna see fight? - Who do you wanna see fight? - But I do think Anor versus Mary is a good matchup though. - Yeah. - But in terms of like, you know, you've got the two Titans, you've got Anoracher and Mary. - That would be so big. Who's. I'm just thinking on the male side. I'm sure we're missing out loads of craze. We've not really thought about this. We haven't spoken about this, but older George Grassley. One day we've mentioned in briefly earlier that people are asking. Firstly, do you look at George's achievement at London and aspire to try and push that number one in the masses part? I feel like potentially you'll pass the point now of being in the masses each year. I think like, but can you. - I'd have to get something really big at Valencia. - Yeah. - Next year I'll probably be in the London masses. - So sure. - Do you think? - Yeah, yeah. - Even if you dropped us, oh it doesn't get stuck off. - It's cut off and I think it's probably like, next year it'll be two, 15, 16 for London. So it's like, oh, I don't know. Maybe I can do that Valencia, it would be cool. But yeah, George has a huge inspiration. - Yeah, he's also his wick-lost guy and obviously I've trained with him a lot. I knew he was gonna drop something absolutely dirty at London. - Yeah. A lot of people like, raise question marks over his 35k marathon pace session, didn't they? - Yeah, like. - And then he just hushed them. - Yeah. - So, it worked for him. - Yeah, it worked for him. It's worked for the cottage guys before. I don't know if I could do 35k marathon pace. It's so big, but how do you even prepare for that sort of session? Like you've got to just like, not even preparation wise, but it's essentially like you're waking up for a race day. - I think, yeah, I think, that's a whole point in simulation. - Yeah. - And it's three weeks out, so you've got a bit of time to recover. But a lot of blokes in that group have done it before and they've, it's well. - Is that cottage's main session? - Excuse me, main session. It seems to be now. And a lot of praise have questioned it, but I think, hey, it's worked for them so far. So, if it's not broken, I'll fix it. - Yeah. - Yeah. - How much do you think you win tagging half by? This goes out a few days before tagging half. - Oh, it'll be close. - Do you think it'll be close? - Yeah. (laughing) - Fucking, some of how she's just gone in the pool. (laughing) - Yeah, happy. - George will win it probably, but it'll be close. - You think? - It'll be close. - It'll be close. - I think that'll be people. - Yeah. - It's now two weeks, not have a couple of real good guys. - We're coming up to our meeting anniversary. I was telling one of the girls earlier. - When is it? - When did we first meet? - Of that new half. - Was it? - The runner stand. I went up to you and I met you for the first time. We spoke on Instagram for weeks. - I actually met a lot of people at that hangy half. - Yeah. - Me and Connell did it together. - Oh yeah, of course, Connell did a good time. - We went to a barber the day before, had the weirdest interaction. It was great times. And that's not the first time. - And then he was like, the worst moment of that whole weekend was when I had to film you on the day during a buffet breakfast review. (laughing) - So remember that video? - Yeah. - Walking around a buffet in a sex hotel. (laughing) Which is now a rest and peace. - All right. - All right. - Well, you've got a lot. - Questions. - Yeah, to be fair, you reshared onto your story though. What's the best lesson from London marathon for you? - Don't do too much with the week before. We both learnt the harm way with that, I feel. - Yeah. - Like we both shouldn't have done loads of it. I did wait for many events. That Friday was just like-- - Oh my God. - So intense. - It was amazing but intense. - Unbelievable. - Yeah. - What an experience. - Yeah. - That meetup was fucking insane. - Someone's asked, would we ever do a live podcast tour? - A tour. - A tour. - Yeah, you and I. - You think we're that big? - A tour. - I think we could do one night. - No, but when you say, no, but when you say like a tour, what I mean, I'm not saying a fucking actual theater. It would be like a village hall, mate. - No, a tour sounds like there's more than one night. - Yes. - It would be a village hall. Like you could do a village hall and fucking leads. - I doubt we'd get one person leads. I think they'd have to do boroughs of London. (laughing) - He mad. - I think there'd be about 10 people that show up in the north. - Yeah, it'd be like a town. - That's no disrespect to the north, by the way. - No, I just don't think they give up. - Who are your favourite Irish runners and runny influencers? - Conno. - No, I guess Conno. - You're not supposed to pause. 'Cause it looks like you're disrespecting the Irish. - You just say Conno. - Oh, yeah. - He's missed at best. - Oh, Sean Hill. - Sean Hill, too. - And Lauren as well, I like Lauren. - Okay, this is an interesting one. Maybe potentially a little bit low energy for what we're going for, but I think it's an interesting point 'cause we've had this conversation between the two of us last few days dealing with food noise and binge eating as a runner. - That's a go on, GLP one. - Use code, write and repeat. - Oh, (beep) (laughing) - Bleat the name of the brand. - Yeah. - I've always struggled with food noise. - Yeah. - Is it an interesting one? - I don't really have, I've got no, I don't have a trip trips. I don't have any trips or tips. And we were talking about it because we were talking about GLP ones and apparently that reduces food noise. And I'd never take a GLP one or like a day's epic. But I've been intrigued to understand what the silence sounds like. I feel like the silence happens for me in moments. The silence happens for me when I'm really locked in. Weird note I find in the morning, if I haven't eaten yet, I don't have it. As soon as I start eating, I just, like that's when it really, and it's just the whole day. It's kind of tiring, but anyway, I get it. Nothing you can do. Luckily, because I run so much, I have to eat that much. It's fine, but yeah, I have no tips or tricks. I just, it is all of it. - That's a point as well. I'm intrigued to speak to people who know more than me because I don't know much. But like about me trimming over the summer months. Yeah, obviously I've got my wedding, so I'm gonna lose a bit of timber for that. - But like, you got it fresh. - Yeah, I said this for life. - I said this for Lizzy, I was like, "I need to, hopefully not." - Am I done? - Yeah, I need to just basically make sure that I'm feeling as good as I can from my wedding. But also, you always see like women doing the like, getting into the like, like, books, yeah. - Yeah, why can't I? - Like, wanna feel good in there, see. - Yeah. - Oh, okay, here we go. This is just one I, we always talk about. What's the biggest piece of advice for someone wanting to break into the content creation? We can end on that one. - Oh, yeah, nice. Let's end on this one. So, I will say my piece here, it's like, there will always be an audience for you. If you go about it in a way that you would watch, okay? So, like, the best way to describe that is like, if you're making content and you're ever editing it and going, "Oh, why am I putting this out? "It's a bit boring." Or like, what, who's gonna gain anything from this? There's a high chance it's gonna do fucking terribly. Yeah. So, if I'm watching something in an edit and going, (sighs) tough watch. - Yeah. - I know for a fact it's gonna perform badly. So, it's almost like, I look at it and go, if I'm enjoying what I'm watching, I know it's gonna bring like-minded people in. Does that make sense? What do you think? - My main one is don't copy anyone. Don't do trends. Try and put out stuff. Trends work, by the way, in moments. - No, trends work if you wanna grow an audience, if you want an audience who stays with you on the journey and buys product from you, which is essentially what? Like, people who buy into what you're selling and, 'cause essentially that's how you make money. - You can be selling a journey, but on that journey you can also be selling. - You want people to buy into you so that when you believe in something and wanna promote it, they will buy from you. Essentially, I mean, that is what influencing is, right? And I think if you put yourself out there, as you, you will not get, the reason I don't love trends is 'cause you get a big spiking growth right, and then people are just following you for other kind of viral moments. And then it follows you because they like you, and all I want to see from, like, fellow content is just putting yourself out there. And if you, no one is better than you, at being you. So if you're, like, no one, can replicate my content and do it better than me personally because I'm me. That's my unique take and I've done a unique take on that piece of content, right? So if you just can't listen to the noise, you just do your thing and eventually and it will take longer to grow. But if you just stick at it, it's consistency as well. It's like why your podcast is doing well because people give up. And also, I know semi-cool here, but I want to do content and it's consistency. I do daily. If you say you're going to do daily, do daily. If you say you're going to do three times a week, do three times a week. Your audience starts to build up, like knowing you're posting. And so that's for me, my audience knows I'm going to post daily. So that's why I get good views daily. But if you eat like your audience is probably like, why are you posting so much this week? I think to be honest, there'll probably a lot of people that just go, yeah, we'll just skip the hearts out one. Yes. But look, thank you so much for listening, watching. Thank you. And it's now pitch black. We have had a very busy day. Great trip. And thank you so much for watching. If you do fancy going on a run-house trip, this episode is sponsored. We've just been brought along on this trip. But I'll leave them in the description because, yeah, they brought us along and very grateful for that. So yeah, it's been really good fun. And if you do want to check them out, I'll leave the website in the link below. All right, I'll catch you next week and have a lovely day. And good luck with anyone doing the hat in your half on Sunday. If there's any other races going on, sorry, I missed it, but I'm doing the hat in your half. So yeah, see you there. Peace. Love unity. Cool. Oh, happy days. You know what I want. We've got those bare maretes. You like? Oh, yeah.