The people that are buying Jaguars right now are not the sort of people as much people want to say it is. They're not swarves cool people, the speck of shmiz car which we didn't like has got back to shmiz. Hello, welcome back to the cars rule everything around me podcast. Episode 10. - 10. - To the 10. - We are dumb of the videos. - We are dumb of the episodes in. My name is Edwin, this is Will. And we like to answer the question at the beginning of every single podcast. Do cars rule everything around us this week or do they ruin everything around us? William, please start us off. Now there's nothing to say anything other than a rule again this week. Ooh, there's been no bad news. Well, it's been a bit couple bits about it. - Oh yeah. - A limo. - A long news. - Long. - Terrible, long- - Personal car wise. - Personally. - I'm going with rule. - Yeah. - Why not? Nice. To be honest, I'm the same. - I'm on a streak. - I'm on a streak. - We're on a streak. - My mark is still. I actually still really like it. - I still like it. - I still. And I think this is good. This is kind of you. I don't. I'm not really attached to it yet. Although yesterday, while we were scrolling for cars to buy for the next series, I found an E55, which is the Supercharged one. That's the one I want. 200,000 miles on it. - Mm-hmm. - A wagon. And I looked at it and went, "Maybe I could swap the C55 for a new song." - But then. So I thought that because I was like, "I'm not attached to this car." And then I thought, "I quite like that C55." - That's what you're done. - It's already starting. - Right. So that car's getting. - That car's getting supercharged engine. - I expect to see it on the left for the next five years. - Yeah, exactly. But overall, it's a rule. I'm happy. Actually, no, sorry. I've just remembered something. It's not a rule for me. It was a rule right. I've actually tried to clear it out of my mind. A very nice subscriber got in touch with me after our. on our YouTube channel. We rebuilt an old Porsche 911. And it had a blown gearbox. So the company sold it to me because I was the only idiot, who's gonna take it on. And I thought, "I'll be able to save this gearbox." This gearbox can live. In a very nice subscriber got in contact and said, "I have built many Porsche gearboxes." In fact, he was involved with building the Porsche gearboxes for the singer, the LS. That's pretty cool. So he knows this stuff. He said, "Pull a gearbox out and we'll take it apart together." He came round after work. His name's Andrew, very nice guy. And we took the top of the cap and the gearbox off. And before he even finished taking it off, he went, "Yeah man, that's done." The color of it is. It was black inside from where bearings were broken down and just mashed the gearbox. And then two of the gears, which are 600 pounds a piece, had basically lent into each other and then chipped all of their teeth off because there was chunks in the oil. And then each bearing is about 150 pounds, of which there are 15. Nice. So yeah, I have to find another gearbox. So, it's bad. It was expected. It's definitive now. You have. I know the answer. Once I get another gearbox, which I have a couple contacts who I'm speaking to with the gearboxes. Once we have that, she's up and going again. And then it will be just moments before it blows the engine. I'm sure. So you going with a ruin then this week? Off-flip-a-coin? It's a rule. It's a rule. So we're on a streak. We're on a streak of rules. Yeah, exactly. We're expecting downhill. It could only go downhill from here. So. So. All of our rules and rules the week. Yep. And should we start with some news? Because there's been news. There has been news. We've pre-filmed the last podcast and we said it. There's been no news. And that week there was lots. There was a lot. So there's so much news. So much. We're on catch-up game. So again, we're a bit behind like before. But we'll get to Jaguar brand. We'll get there, but not yet. First thing that caught my eye, Lexus LFA replacement. Oh, I have. There's been rumors of this. Yeah. But quite recently there were some spy shots I saw of a thing that looks like an LFA or, you know, a modern version of. Does it look like an LC500? Because those. I always thought. I saw the spy photos. That was like. Yeah. In a fair replacement. And then they went, "It's just normal." "It looks cool." Yeah. But it's kind of normal. Well, this is. So there's only one reason they're making this. And I think it's quite cool. Doesn't happen after. Is it homologation? It's homologation. It's cool. So Toyota need something to homologate to make a DT3 car. Oh. So that's cool. It was apparently, although a rumor is that it was going to be a Toyota, but it's not, it's now going to. Well, not confirmed. But the rumor now is that it's going to be a Lexus. Likely to be an LFA. OK. Bad news. Oh, I was about to say, the only thing I care about. You already know. You already know it's not happening. Oh. V10 won't be there. Yeah. OK. That's kind of fair, because they have so many issues with that engine getting it there. So I'm going to say to V8, like the LC-F and. LC-F and twin turbo V8. OK. And those. The LC-500 and things, those N-A. They are N-A-V-A. OK. So that's quite interesting. That's cool. So, but twin turbo V8, I imagine, because it's. Maybe because it's homologation, maybe because it'll be very expensive. It won't just be a. It won't be a. A re-one of the mill to be able to have a V8. It will be something quite interesting. But. and also. They can bring Yamaha in. Let's get those revs up. Let's get that mic-a-ting. We've got the Temerario around now. Yeah. So let's get those revs up. Because we've got the spec. Yeah. Yeah. More. But. That's cool. You know what? It's always a good day when a manufacturer makes another cool thing. Yeah, because Lexa, like, what have you heard from. I actually don't know. Lexa's went. We've made the LFA guys. Everyone. That was amazing. And they went, we'll see you in a bit. And left. So you're in 15 years. Yeah. But. Yeah. And that's the problem is that. As soon as it does come out, it comes out with the V8 twin turbo. It probably will be very, very good. But the problem is, you're following out. Yeah. You've got. You've got a very, very impressive debut supercar out there. Yeah. The noise. There hasn't been other stuff in between. No. So here's the LFA. Yeah. This is one of the best sounding cars ever made. Yeah. Also, we've made our new one kind of close. So you're going to compare him. Oh, far. And then. It probably would. It might have been better to have to. Yeah. Yeah. Because they never go that well. What did it? Oh man. Toyota still with that FT1. Everyone got a really upset that the super wasn't the FT1. They were never going to make it look like that. No. But as a supercar, it's like a. A low-run production. Yeah. That could have been feasible. That could have been cool. So that's Lexus. That's that. That's that twin turbo V8. What do you see? Yeah. We won't say again, Lexus, if you. You want someone to have a look at it. Have a drive. No, I have a go. That's no. We can compare it with an LFA. Yeah. Or whatever. A Cadillac. A joining F1. Hello guys. And now, okay, we're not F1. Where are these goddamn right turns? Freeber. Do you remember the last year that. I think it was the year before. Was it that start in Le Mans? Yeah. And it was the Commaura. It was. Yeah. I think it was the Commaura. Yeah. It was the Commaura. It was the Commaura. Yeah. It was the Commaura. Yeah. Yeah. It was the Commaura. It was the Commaura. Yeah. It was the Commaura. Yeah. Yeah. Of this huge. Also thing, next to like actual race cars. As someone who cares nothing for most sport, even I thought it was great. All of the people think like, "Well, it can't run. What's the point in it running?" And then it was semi-competitive. Also, then it was quick. And everyone was like, "Oh, but Bannett, he needs to be gone. Why is it here?" That's amazing. It's just absolutely walking past that for the straights. Yeah. It is a NASCAR. That is the spirit of motorsport. That is a smoky unit. Yeah. Is looking down on that car, then. Hell yeah. America's the guy who went on a European holiday and said, "Gabdang!" And you'll show these Europeans as dumb. You know what? I like France. I've gone live here. We're going to take the Commaura. Are we going to France? Yeah. But kind of like joining everyone, there'll be lots. There'll be people talking about what this means for the sport. They join into their collaborating with. Or I can think of is an old casual. Yeah. It's our old casual. It's like 8.2 litres. They can 16,000 horsepower. Going through America. Just flying through. That's Rambion, actually. Flying through there and just going, "Foo!" Yeah. Leaning right over and then leaning right over. It's a couple of bold eagle screeches coming past. Yeah. So if the head of Cadillac F1 team isn't clear to Smokfarland, I don't want to know. I don't want to know about that. They only do like a seat moulding for F1. You have to sit in this bag or whatever. It's not. It's just like this vinyl seat. It's just this vinyl thing. Massive back. Every time they do the full pit stop someone jumps out, you just hit. Oh! It's just an electric seat and a final on. Yeah. Yeah. God damn it. It's what it is. It's like a wooden steering wheel. It's a land-arrow for the F1 team. I'm assuming I haven't looked into it because I'll be honest. I don't care enough about it. I'm assuming it'll be like Cadillac name under S&P514. That's going to upset a lot of people. But it is true. Neither of us are F1. No, not really. If it can't, if there's never a chance that I can drive the car, as in, I can't see one on a road, I can't see it around. It can't. It doesn't do anything for me. And that's not it for me, because I don't really feel that. I don't quite like that stuff. But also, F1, I don't know. I admit, I liked drive to survive the series as many fans came from that series. But I watched that. It's great because that's a condensed version. It's all the excitement. Some of it lies. It's WatchMojo, this is what happened in F1. Some of it is Top 10 moments, basically. You watch it and go, "Okay, I haven't had to walk through the boring stuff." Because some people like the politics and F1. They like the F1 head of that team. A single test. That's called that guy, a bum. Oh. And that's not nice. It's not good. It's like a false series. Hey, I'll see you on the track, man.
going to steal your driver. Yes. More than you could afford back. When Cadillac joined. But she would retail on one of those. Max was dappin. I don't care about that. What are you talking about? But that's F1. The cars are cool. But they're not as cool as they were. See, that's the issue for me. We went to that F1. We went Silverstone. We did it. And the experience was great. Yeah. We both took our dad's, like we said, in a podcast before. And I made me took my dad because he loves F1. And I was like, you know what? Maybe in person. And this is going to upset a lot of people that did nothing for me. I was like, in person, I'm going to be like, oh, I know I get it. And they came past the first time and I was like, nah. I don't, I, they're better. They're definitely better in person because you've got lots of other sounds that you don't get on the TV. Like, you can hear anti lag and you hear a crap. That's on the shift. And you can, it's how fast they go through corners. And it's very impressive. But once you've had it a couple times, it's kind of so easy. Whereas, like, I remember a couple of times I've been to see Rally Cross and all that. Now Rally is, that's what I was. That's your guy. The early 2000s, 90s when I, like my dad was showing me F1 stuff. I was like, yeah, okay, cool. Right. And then I'd flicked over. Remember, it was like Sunday mornings you'd get on just normal. I never had a, we never had what do you call it? Skyl, what do you call it? P, P TVP. Big toe. Big toe. And then I just had normal, like the, the 10 channels that you had. And one of them had some form of Rally, like wrap up. It was a WLC wrap up. I remember seeing it and going, what the hell are these guys doing? Euro, some, you know, sport, you're a sport TV. Yeah. But it was something like that. And it was just, it was, I flicked over and it was a clip of Column McCray doing the longest skid in the world in a focus. And I was like, that's cool. What's this? This could be good. Yeah. I could like this. Yeah. And since then I was like, that Rally is my, that Rally is what I was like. It's more about the, I don't care so much about the motorsport. I like the machine. Yeah. I was lucky enough a years and years ago I went to Fiorano and to do filming for old, old job. And at the time there was a, what do they call it? Corsa Clienti, which is the mega rich dudes. They, they own sexes. They own some of the old Ferrari motorsport stuff without Formula One cars or whatever. And they can drive it on Ferrari's test track. And that's it. And that's it. So you pay them millions of pounds. Yeah. Ferrari, keep your car. Ferrari tell you you may use it on this day. Yeah. At our track, you do not get to take it home. Crazy. Sort of understandable with an F1 car. Yeah. Where else you go with it. But on that day, there was a guy who owned an F 2004. Don't know about F1. Is that V12? I know that. That's a bit, he's out, I think. Okay. Interesting. Or 10 or 12? Or 12. No, it's, it's a night or 10. I'm fairly sure it's a V8. But that is in that V8 V10 era. Oh. That like those two eras of this one, they are the one. And I remember we pulled up to Fiorano and you could hear it. Yeah. And again, no one in Mount El O'Kes. No, yeah, there was a screaming F1 car. They're all just in the streets praying. Yeah. Like saying, give us more. Also, if you were just unbelievable. Imagine being in Marino and someone going, can I keep that racket down? Like, this is literally what we're about. We're built on this. This is what we do. But that was one of the best things I've heard. And then also an FXX went out. But yeah, like again, and Rally, I'm going to Lid and Hill. Which I'm not sure. I think they'll let you back at Lid and Hill. It's back. I remember. That's cool. But Lid and Hill, we should go. We went, that was one of our first like, rebacross. And there was a, it was a Metro 6R4, an RS200 and a 911. Yeah. It was a weird kind of mission match of classic car. There wasn't a Quattro. I don't remember. So I would have remit. The noise would be ingrained in me. And it was just them ginging around this track. So even at that point, I was like, I could get used to watching this. This is cool. I remember there was a, you could, Lid and Hill, you can get quite close to the track unlike them. And like, this was, it was still world Rally Cross. I think they call it. So it's, this is, this is the Rally Cross event basically. And they do, before they all, like line up for the actual race, after they've done all the different qualifying and bits, they'd line up on the start line and they'd do a launch and then they'd go off and then they'd do like a little warm up before they come and grid up. So you could stand right on the start line, not right on the start line, but basically literally 20 feet away, basically from these. And this, I think it was one of the S ones. Oh, it wasn't it was a proper guy. Yeah. But only one of the new ones though. Just a story. Yeah. Six hundred horsepower fit. The guy that did the anti-lag launch control. Or it took off. I was like, that's cool. You also the squat as well. Just so cool. Any car that squats on a launch, I'm about. Anyway, big, that was a mega tangent. Big tangent. I mean, I think it's a big, big tangent. I think it's a big tangent. Right. Yeah. Right. I had a nice one. Great. Dick. Yeah. Which is exactly what this has happened. Unbound. Which is the next speed I bought and have never played. Because it's not very good. Actually it's alright. It's alright. Maybe I'm old. I don't know. But anyway, they're doing it apparently. They're doing it not like nostalgic stuff. And one of the cards you can now get is a proper M3. Is it sure? Which I swear you could do that anyway. But in the game. No, but like in another Mepha speeds. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they can't be like in the last Mepha speed. I'm fairly sure you could do that. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I don't remember. Yeah. But yeah, but it is that car is. That's the guy. He's got his car game car. Yeah. He's the guy. I asked for a model of an M3 GTR when I was a kid. Because of that. Yeah. I remember. I got it. It was a Phoenix LL. It was all white. No, it was an M3 GTR race car. It was actually one of the best. I dropped it off of a ledge. Nice. Not like a ledge ledge, but in the Mekko. That way. Shelf. That's it. Not a ledge. And it had a dented roof. It was a really good model. Yeah. It's not. Why they're not racing. We're doing. But yeah, that would be that car. That's cool, especially the BMW, even BMW. Yeah. They must get it so much that are like, all right. All right. Fine. So probably it's on display in Munich until January the 6th. Okay. Cool. So if you are there, head on over there. Peep it. Have a look. So there's a picture. Or just speaking of games. I didn't mention. So not last week, because we were away in a week before on the screen. We had, I didn't mention it at all. One of my favorite games of all time, stuntman, the first one, not the guys in New York who smash up cars. The guys who go, what's it got stuntman? But instead the game, the PS2 game, which had, and I saw a couple comments. And I just want to let you know, I appreciate you who are saying, is that stuntman in the background? Let the baseline hitcher. Just the amount of, the amount of any time you say stuntman to someone. I said it to you. What did you say? What was the, sorry about smashing through the boxes. To the boxes. Hit the micro light. It is. If you haven't played that, you like PS2 games, go play stuntman one of the best. And then on screen now, if you're an audio-lister, we have another haul of fame. This might be my favorite car game. Overall, like for pure fun factor. Also, one of the best games, if you have friends. Oh, this is great. Split screen. Split screen. It is burnt out three takedown. Yeah. For those of you that, sorry, we keep doing this thing. Yeah, this thing that we haven't explained is great. But no, burnt out three takedown. Yeah, crash breaker as well. We could try and start making money. We could build up pure money as high as you can. The amount of times my friends and I would be like, all right, now let me go. No, I'm going to hit the oil tanker. What's this? It is. It is a, we are the lazy generation. I hope that you don't listen to music. Yeah, but he's in the menu. Yeah, okay. That's what I mean. Fair. Yeah, I mean, I think it's a good idea to use with good. It is what I'm racing. That's also racing. That's also the song. It's just the song. This is named Crash. Striker from Crash FX. That's the one. The striker from Crash from Striker FM. Anyway, beyond the games. So did I say, generally, say, for the anyway, so go ahead if you're in Jaguaray brand. Okay. We all have to talk about it. Because everyone's thought about it. We're late to it. Do you know what? Here we go.
I'm going to say it. There we go. People are blowing out of proportion. I think that's true. I think it's done. I think it's a bad move. But when I say that, I think people are blowing out of proportion. I see loads of comments of people being like, "Jack, you just destroyed themselves. They'll never sell another car again." The majority, and when that news came out, I made a conscious decision, decision to look at every new Jaguar newer, a couple of year old Jaguar driver, I could. And you know what it all is? Every single one. It's not red-blooded British men who are like, "Oh, my Jaguar, you're not taking away my. " It's people's mums. It's middle-class white women. And guess what? The new badge looks like a Gucci logo or a hamburger logo. Do you think they care? Do you think middle-class white women who can buy Jaguars? Give a shit. Yeah, but they're also not selling, though. But this is my point. But so if they're not selling anyway, and they're selling the wrong product, I believe. Why? They're going down this EV route. Smashing, obviously not what the kind of Jaguars people want to want to do. But that's the thing. I don't think that that's true. I think if you just re-brand it, it's unlikely to be to do with your, the way you've packaged it. It's probably to do with your products. Oh, I fully agree with that. But I think the people that are buying Jaguars right now are not the sort of people as much as people want to say it is. They're not swarfs cool people. The whole Jag thing was-- But they're buying it without the logo change. Now, why have a logo change? I agree. I'm not saying it's a good change. Or not even a logo. That's the thing. It's not about the logo, too. The logo is dreadful. Yeah, it's not going. The uppercase logo thing is-- I cost millions. There is-- I cannot fathom a single reason why you would do that. It looks like a child has done it. I've seen multiple people who have just slightly redesigned the original. And it is a thousand. It's a way that I've also probably cost them 20 pounds. Yeah. Get someone a five of it. That probably took multiple departments, millions of pounds, months, years to do that. And they came out with that and went, yeah, that's good, mate. It's more-- I think they've messed it up. It's more than messing around it all. That agreed. They launched that ridiculous advert, which looked like a perfect advert. And then they've got people from Jaguars saying, we're trying to move away from cars. Yeah. What are you trying to-- What are you talking about? I saw a video of-- I think it was at some form of marketing conference, and it was whoever was the chief marketer for that, the rebrand, talking about it. And there's not a single mention of a direction for a automotive company. It's like, we're-- and I'm not trying to be-- I mean, A of juice, but B like-- well, even is the word. Basically, it's then being like, it's about inclusivity. It's about this. I'm not trying to be-- I get like, anti that at all. But what I'm trying to say is, I don't care. You're a car company. Tell me what you're developing. Make a good car. Tell me about the tech that you're doing with these cars, or the market-- I don't care about that. This is not for you to talk about. I'll see. Did you see the leak of the Jag? Still ball. I don't care what that is under that wrap. It's not a good looking car. Oh, sorry. The weird like the-- Almost clowns too. --looking at the back of it. So I think some of the comparison was a crossfire. [SIGHS] Not what you wanted. Again, that's-- They might take the camo off. They might change themselves slightly. But that's about looking car. Yeah. I just think when has an incredibly good car-- like an incredibly well-known, good performing car company ever had to rebrand this badly? But that's the last thing they do. They never have to. Ferrari, if you think of Lamborghini, maybe BMW have changed a couple. They probably have changed. But not that much. Yeah, no. The car is still always the same. It must say-- Maybe it's not that different. No. And especially that is the bit that I do understand the people who are like the history is gone. Like that is agreed. That logo is childhood me. One of the first cars I could tell, a Jaguar. I knew what a Jaguar was. I saw that emblem. I'm like, I know that guy. Also, what I don't understand is, why would you not leave Jag as it is and just spin off? And make a plan. Yeah, like a brand. Yeah. Or like, you know, like-- I don't know. Obviously, you'd know how well that stuff does, like Citroen had DS or something. Yeah, yeah. But if Jag made an EV hip trendy brand. Because the thing is, it's still called Jaguar. So it doesn't matter what it is. If you are of a certain age, you're going to understand what Jaguar is and the perception of what Jaguar is. Exactly. It's kind of a little bit old and stuffy. But also, it's like-- It's cool. I don't think it's as bad anymore. It's cool. It's a little bit like-- It's JLR, isn't it? It's Jaguar L.A. So you see a Jaguar and you kind of think Land Rover. It's a British car, kind of a bit. But that's-- That's one of the reasons that I think they did go, we need to fully rebrand. Because as cool as Jaguar is concerned with what car people-- Also, if you ask a car person, what should I never buy it to Jaguar? A friend of mine who recently got a new job said, I'll look at this. I really like the look of this. And it was an F pace. And I said, do not buy-- Do not buy a Jaguar Land Rover product because you will end up spending loads of money on it. And he went, all right, fine, I won't. That's a sale gone, simply because of their reputation. A shit ton of bad-- Is it the Ingenium engine? Yo, yeah, that's in-- I think so. All of the-- I can't, I think that's what it's called. It's got some ridiculous name. But that's been incredibly unreliable. Fix that. Fix that, maybe. And then maybe-- Again, because a brand like Jaguar is never ever going to be BMW or-- Well, maybe I'm being ambitious enough a Jag. It's never going to be to that level. But there are still a lot of people-- In terms of what? In terms of just pure volume of people. Oh, agree, yeah, agree, agreed. It will always be in the-- In a vertical commerce. Three series. You're never going to have a Jag that-- Smudderly comes out of nowhere and takes over the three series or the five series. But that isn't the point. No. It's a-- I want a five series, but I want something that's a bit nicer than a five series. It's a bit nicer inside. It's a bit more comfortable. It's got leather's nicer, whatever. It's a Jag. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. I always think-- when I looked at it, I was like, why? It feels like they could have freshened the brand up better. So someone did a comparison, actually. They posted the-- There was a really cool advert Jag did ages ago. The F-type-- It was the villain world. Yeah. That's a great-- It's a Jag driven by villains. Yeah. And that-- I don't know. Again, part of this is that it's the wrong people moaning about it. A lot of the people moaning, like you said, they're not Jag buyers. No. They're not, in fact, probably 90% of the people moaning aren't Jag buyers. I am not going to buy a Jag. No. Exactly. I'm not buying a Jag. You have to remember this. That car manufacturers do not build cars for us. We buy cars for 4 pounds 85 when they've depreciated to the bottom of the curve. They don't care about us. They don't make money off us. They have to target people who are buying them new, which is what my point is that driving around the only people I see driving new Jaguars are people's mums or wives. And I don't think they're going to care that much. I think they're going to look at the new logo, go, oh, that's nice. That's a bit different. Cool. They're not going to care. I think they hit to the image. Absolutely there. That is a-- from anyone that knows anything, they're going to go, you've messed up. I don't genuinely think that there's going to be that much of an impact in there already poor sales. It feels to me, it feels like it's rather than go perhaps to cars of the problem. I'm sure they are, obviously, they are, because they've stopped making new cars. There's going to be a batch of new stuff. But again, as to another problem, it's going to be EVs. It's going to be, I think, all EV, basically. But it's gone, how do we fix this? Perhaps a rebrand. Yeah. You can probably leave the brand as is. I don't know. Fresh it out, whatever it's just like, makes them better cars. And then you might do all right. If there is-- if there are a couple of Jag engineers around, couple of Skunkworks Jag engineers who've got a couple of five litre Supercharge laying around, build yourself a little last hurrah. A little XJ220 type B. Just a couple, 1015, if you can. Under the books, get them gone. One last hurrah. Come on. That would be cool. That would be cool. Also, kind of thing that saves a company. It made me nine today. Maybe not today. But do it anyway, because I mean, we're asking with the Victor, the really angry looking one. Because I don't know. For me, at least, Astins were kind of tailing off that the new design language from the DBS, people in the era, the new one was cool. But it's still a bit like-- Also, they'd use that same-- even though it's new, but it's since the DB9 and the DB7. That's same. They all had that very similar kind of shape. And then they did that one off thing. And everyone went mental for it. It was like, this thing is sick. And they went, oh, wait, you like that? OK. Another, they've made the new one, which is now a hundred of the similar, whatever it is. Valor? Valor. Perhaps. But anyway, we don't know anything about new car stuff. We do, but-- Yeah. But tough times for Jag. Tough times for Jag. I wouldn't want to work at Jag right now. But a lot of jokes. Hope they pull through, because there has been some cool stuff from Jag. Oh, absolutely. Jaguars is something that can't really get lost to the annals of time. We can't have--
can't do a solve. We can't have a kind of a solve, can't have a rover. No. Come on. Not like that. If Jaguar goes away, it comes back in 10 years as the Chinese EV brand. That would be very upsetting. That would be upsetting. Very upsetting. Anyway, that's Jaguar. Yeah. There will be people in the comments selling us with wrong or whatever. But discuss. Fine. Discuss below, because no one really knows what they're talking about. That's what I've gathered. Not even Jack. And especially not, Joe. Oh, this is news-ish. Okay. Few podcasts ago, I mentioned that if I had 50 million pounds or there or bounce, I would want a Huaira R, but road legal. Yeah. And I figured that wasn't available. Yeah. I probably would have bought one. Yeah, but anyway, a man messaged me and then Thomas Stoner, because he's not Stoner. He's a photographer. Okay. And he said, "I heard you talk about the podcast." That's actually happening. What landzante? Landzante are doing. And so, apparently, making a Huaira road legal, I mean, God knows how many backboxes they've put in that thing. What they've done is they found a deaf MOT tester. There's just a policeman outside. Yeah. Just wait a minute. Is it loud? No. What? What did you say? Perfect. Is it running? Yeah. It's running. Yeah. Don't worry about it. Why isn't it rolling on the rollers? Here's 50 pounds, but anyway. That's really cool. Can't wait to see that. I think they're going to have to make it quieter, which is kind of what makes the Huaira so cool. Yeah, but whilst the MOT test has passed, just like all good coffee people. Yeah. Sorry, just like all the irresponsible people that we are not a part of. It's in there for the test, and then I'll make someone's neck there. Someone's necked my backbox, but almost bigger than that. I would want to hire a more, but this is very cool. He also told me, well, I was getting excited about this. He also told me, "Sesto Elemento." You know what that is? The sick filament, do you mean? The sick filament, which is really good. Again, another perfect example of Italian car naming. Yeah. Yeah, that's the, that's the Jaguar 6 filament. Yeah. You got to rebrand. Go to Italy. I mean, well, Italy, the Sisto Elemento. The Sisto Elemento. But that was a Lamborghini Gardo basically underneath, but like mega stripped down. What was it? And no seats in there. The seats were just the sort of things. Was it a soft thumb? Was it a left and a front? Was it something ridiculous compared to the Lodder? Which meant they didn't do too much of the engine, but again, it was hundreds of kilos saved. All carbon fiber looked a bit mental. It looked more like what Lamborghini's looked like today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was angry, angry. But they're not really legal. No, yeah. So, apparently there was an, oh no, I think he's in the UK anyway. It's gone to Lanzanthe. And they are doing, they are making a Sisto Elemento. They're making a little number of plate bracket. That's it. So you need to see. It looks quite road league. Yeah. It must be noise. Maybe seats. I don't know. Yeah. Did he just got lights and shit? Yeah. Mr. Motee tested that. That's all it needs. That's got to be used. You argue with him. Yeah. He's got lights and shit. So what do you want from me? A bungalow and a pounding off you guys. Is it loud? Yeah, don't worry about it. He cares mate. Well, I mean beams. Yeah. Indicators. No, I don't. He cares mate. I've got too fast for anyone to notice. But I think that car's been seen a bit on social media. It's been actually shows. It's super car driver. It was suddenly a Sisto Elemento just appeared on social media. I was like, "Oh, sorry. Hello mate." He did that come from who just suddenly he went, "Oh, I've got one of those." Speaking of super cars appearing from nowhere. Oh, yes. It has been a big week for me. Because I'm going to try to steal a stout. I'm troke because we're already good amount into this podcast. And I don't want this to be a six hour long podcast. But the Brunei Royal Family's car collection is something that I have been obsessed with for How old am 27? Up close of 28 years. I have been obsessed with this since I was a child. So for those of you that don't know, the Brunei Royal Family, Brunei is a tiny little country and over towards Singapore, Indonesia. Tiny, tiny, tiny. I think you can drive across it in a 45 minutes an hour. Is it a small one? Very small. But what they are is incredibly oil rich. And it is a, it's a salt and a, so there is a Royal Family who has basically a dictatorship over the entirety of the wealth of the, as I was about to say, island, not island, but country. Now, since the 70s, 80s, they have had a lot of money. But here's the thing that gets interesting for us. They are also the whole family incredibly into cars and they have been collecting cars for a very long time. And it got to a point in the 90s. Now also there's a lot of politics around the Royal Family about things they do, things they don't do. I'm going to say it. It's, I don't care. I'm here for the cars and cars only. You can think whatever you want, I'm not here to comment on that. I'm here to comment on the specs of the cars they bought. That makes me a bad person. Cool. Let it run. But in the 90s, they were buying obscene amounts of cars. The total number is around about four to five thousand in the collection at one point. Now, but the way the way I like to explain it to people and how special they are is in the cars of other people. Is let's say, well, you are, you've just gone to the 90, what would it be? 95 or 96? A Geneva motor show in the 90s. You go up to the Ferrari stand. They got the new cars on the test roster. If I want to T.R. I got a 50. They got 348. You've made a load of money. You go up and you say, hello. I'm the Ferrari dealer. You've made a lot of money. Carla Mill this year. I've got quite a bit. And we've got these three cars. So what can I, can I interest you in any of these? Can I take the F50? Oh, the F50. Now that is, there's only a few hundred of these. They are very, very, therefore are very special customers. Have you bought Ferrari's before with us? No, I could. No, but you could afford an F50. You absolutely can't have this. All right. No, that doesn't really matter. If you buy a load of Ferrari's, we might let you have one. Right. So we'll go elsewhere. We'll go elsewhere. Aferin's Mike behind the camera. He does the same thing. He comes up. He's been buying tens, 20s, 30s of Ferrari's for a while. Nice. He comes up. He goes, can I have an F50? There he goes. You know what? You've bought enough money, Al's. We're going to let you have an F50. But it is left hand drive, even though you're in the UK mic, you may not have the right hand drive. We make them all left hand drive. Red, we're not, unless you're really, really special, you're going to have a red one. You don't get a choice in that. There were a few yellow, silver, black F50s. That's it. Now, the Royal family, and the other thing to note, is that everyone tends to confuse that the Sultan himself is who owns all these cars. It's not. That's a misconception. His brother is the one, Prince Jeffrey, who is the one who's very majorly. Prince Jeffrey. His name is Jeffrey. Spelt, J-E-F-R-I, not Jeffrey. He's the name is Jeff. Jeff is not Jeffrey. I just want to ask that. Prince Jeffrey and his son, the princes, are the ones who are more interest than cars. I should qualify this. I have a very deep knowledge of this because I love this. Not as much as many others, but still have a good amount of knowledge. Now, the Sultan, the Royal family, walk up to Ferrari and go, "Right then, gang." Hello, Ferrari. F50 is a new one, yeah. I'll take six of those. But what you're going to do is you're going to send them back to Pinn and Freena, and you're going to convert them all to right-hand drive. I want them all with custom specs. I want two yellow. One of those yellow ones is going to have a full red interior, full leather on the things, you know, the carbon inlays. I want that leather. I want air conditioning. I want a tape player. I want all sorts of stuff. And Ferrari go, "Absolutely." No, absolutely, you may have them. And then they go, "Well, take another six. Another six F40s." That's from memory, I think, it's 6% of total F50 production was earmarked for them, because that's 350, I think, total. And Ferrari go, "Yeah, you can have six more." Sure. What are you going to do with those? And they go, "Oh, we're going to send those and have them custom re-bodied to a one-off thing just for us called the "Bollyde." Now, this is around the time that they ran out of money. So the "Bosix" never happened. But the first six were converted to the right-and-right. And then they go, "Ferrigo, lovely, is there anything else we can get for you while you're here?" They go, "Yeah, I'll take, I don't know, 2512 T.Rs." Nice. Convert half of them to spiders. Where I was like, "Well, we don't do that." "Yeah, okay, I don't care, but do it. But for me." So I'm assuming this is because of, well, one, a lot of power. Power and money. Of course. Now, there is a, people know this better than me, but there is a, a, not a rumor, a story of, I don't know, a story. The Brunei, the Brunei royal family, single-handedly kept Bentley and Rolls Royce afloat through the late 80s and 90s. Any time that they needed money, they would go to the Brunei royal family and go, "Yo, do you want some custom cars?" A couple mill, a pop, you know, I think sometimes they were 6 to 7 million pounds in the 90s. That's like 15 to 20 million pounds, a car. So, they go to Ferrari at that, my show, they buy all those cars, buy upwards of 50, 60 cars from Ferrari, and then go, "Lovely, let's go to Porsche and do the same thing." And the same thing at Bentley and the same thing at Rolls Royce and the same thing at Lamborghini and the same thing with every high-end manufacturer, every single year throughout the entire of the 90s. Now, when those cars are delivered to Brunei, they go away. They don't get drunk. But you've showed me many, many, many, many pictures and stories about this stuff. And it is, it is.
Even though it's very, very cool, it's one of the most frustrating things because they're not. It is purely driven off of greed. Yeah, because they can. But that's what I mean. There isn't a. There is no desire to use them all or share them. If there was a. We're going to buy these and then they're going to get put on display or I'm going to share them with whatever. It would feel almost wholesome. Yeah, exactly. It's like, I'm doing this because I can't. No, absolutely. And so the collection, so in the '90s, these cars were a mass, then a mass, then a mass, and also some of the cars were complete one-offs. They weren't just a normal car that was given a rare color or turned into right and drive. It was one-off cars built for Brunai by the manufacturers. What was the. The Merc? It was a DK engineering sort of lifted. It looks like an SC430. One of the. That's a comparison. Do you. Is it like a. Oh, God. Which. A SC430, hold on. Doesn't know that. Maybe it doesn't know that. Which. I'm pretty sure it's a Merc. Lifted. Oh, convertible on it. No, that isn't that. That wasn't Brunai from it. I was in it, not. But that sort of thing. So they. Bentley, they did a thing called a Bentley Buck in the year, which looks like the Continental from the early 2000s, but built in the '90s. Yeah. Custom complete one-off. Yeah. So these cars were all ordered, went to the family. One word driven, though, there it should be said, but you're not driving 5,000 cars. Simply not possible. In the '90s, the government in Brunai noticed that lots of money was going missing. And it turns out that the brother, Prince Jeffrey, was making what they called special investments under a company that was kind of owned by the government called the Amadeo Corp. And they looked into it, they found that he was buying hundreds at a time, 600. 600 marks, and hundreds at a time of Porsche 928 and etc. Just nothing special about them. Just hundred fleets of cars, just all black, spec, S680, S30, 40 of those, given just bought and given to friends and things. So it's like, you know, in a. So his bank account is going to say. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. And then you're going to be in queue and you see that 10-mil bolts are three pence. Yes, it's about $1,000. Yes, that is why. That's the other thing I always try to explain to non-car people. The equivalent of that thing that they did at Geneva, for instance, walking around that show, buying all those cars, is the equivalent to someone watching who's living off decent money, you know, they have a job, walking into a coffee shop and buying a coffee. It is a drop in the bucket. It is. What about 10 coffees, though? Doesn't get a bit of an exception. No, but it's like going into a costume going, "Can I have 3,000 coffees?" But it's the value-wise to them. Oh, right, yes. It's the equivalent of just buying a coffee. You're not going to not notice the money. There's a dent there. But you can probably afford to do it by the time your next paycheck rolls around. Which makes them. Yeah. So once the government found out about these cars, everything was seized and everything under the company was seized. All the marks, as I said, the government were going to seize it all. Jesus Christ! Whoa, whoa, whoa. But it wasn't just cars. That's the thing. The car was the thing I'm interested in. It was houses, art, boats, for instance, Prince Jeffrey had a boat that was called TITS. Oh. Great. Just a brand-of-it-knowledge for you, too. Just a lot down there. Just a lot. Okay. So all cars were seized and because of that, and there was a lot of outrage in the fact that we're, Brunei is a very, very pretty country. But the average wage is not, especially in the 70s, 90s, was not that high. So there was a lot of outrage of, yo, agnostic. You are spending this money on absolutely ridiculous things, Jeff May. So as a payback was a not punishment. But basically all the cars were seized and were slowly sold off. But the issue with selling off the cars is that there were so many that it would affect the global market. If they sold all of the Rolls-Royce's that were bought by the Amadeu Corp, it would crash the market for Corniche's, or crash the market for S-classes. So they had to slowly sell them off over the years. Every year, a couple hundred would go, you know, a couple hundred S-classes would go, a couple hundred eight series would be sold off. But the really special stuff basically was locked away in the garage so that no one would find out and they kept under wraps so that people already knew about these, the company cars that were bought, company cars and markets, not the really special stuff. And so it became this thing shrouded in mystery that no one, there were a few public photos out there that not many people know about, knew about. And then kind of people like myself who were really into it knew of a series of photos in 2001, which was when they saw sell stuff off and make some money back, dealers in the UK said, we basically need to know what cars are there. So a comprehensive photo list was taken of every car in the collection. And there are basically three layers. It's like a multi-story garage. So three layers up and there's like six total garages of three layers. Full of cars. Anything you can imagine. Jeff's admin must be wild. Well, each car, every car had a sticker with a thing called a magic number and that was the car number. Well, I want to see just thought of this. Well, the keys kept. Do you know, no, this was a thing. So not the toilet. No, not the toilet. So every car had a magic number, which is when then they, there were boxes of keys and things that all had their numbers like one through four hundred was in there. This is a Ferrari case. Yeah. What do I do? Just walk around clicking it, beeping because it was a section. This is the S class key. They're all S class keys. There are a thousand of these. So the photos were taken in 2001 and they have always been very, very private. I'd seen a few, but not all of them. The other day through call it competition between Instagram pages who thought they had the right to post it and didn't and XYZ. The entire stock was leaked. Nice. These photos are not recent. They're from 2001. What it shows is the car sitting in the garage and the list of things is all this and that's great. I've seen some, and I was like, this is a wild collection. It is crazy. Some of the special stuff, for instance, one of my favorite ones is a Ferrari 456. They loved it. Jeffrey loved 456. This is the one, yeah. And it has. And I'd already seen this. I told you about this car a couple years ago. It has night division where the speedo would be is a screen. You like that? Kind of weird. Was LCD screens in the 90s? That's kind of strange. No, that's because the car runs an Apache helicopter night division system. That's not like a gimmick or like a West Coast customs thing. They took an Apache helicopter night vision system and installed it, pin and freinered, into a Ferrari 456. So you could drive the car and pitch black and see where you're going ahead. And it was just, and also again, and it was never used for something that's never going over you. But here's the best bet. There was two. They, they, the years later, they got them to commission another one. Take it to find the other one. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely ridiculous. That's Jeff Mayes. That's so. Yeah. What basically there was a room for the yellow cars. There was the Ferrari F40s. And I'll, everyone's going a bit mental over the F40s. One of the famous ones is the grey one. The grey, yeah, grey, the red stripe. So there tends to be anything that you tend to see with a red stripe will either be the Sultan's himself or Jeffries or the F40. Or two. Yeah. You looked at a black two F40t helmet. Oh, man. All cars, guys. That's kind of nice. Mark two golf. But so, yeah. So pick a car brand. I'll tell you something in the collection that is very weird or in a day. Oh, there's a matic in there that's gold over to that. There was a, and it bit, it must be. There's a lot of, a couple of you know. So here's a funny thing. BMW was seen by the family as a lower class car. Mercedes was the top guy. Okay. So BMWs were tended to be bought for people. They would be bought and given to like friends or diplomats as like a, like socks or Christmas. Exactly. You're not quite us. You're not quite Mercedes. Mines socks like a selection box. Yeah. That's like we're having, we're having for a roshet. You're having celebrations. Yeah. You've got a fudge. You can't go to a chomp. There was a couple of alpeners in the collection. Couple eight series five sevens. Two of those two five liters. There's a photo of that for the first time in a while. What was the E34? E34. Was it an Alpener? E34 Alpener is a yellow one that was in the yellow room. Which is one of the princes who was, I might be wrong on this, but he was in his teens when he was asked, would you like to fill a room with cars of which a McLaren F1 is in there? Nice. And so he, as a, as a, as a child, was going, you're on the McLaren F1 mate. What spec would you like it to an R? I'll go get a yellow one that, yeah. And there's an F50 that's right hand drive that is yellow with red interior. It's Ronald McDonald's spec. That's not, yeah. But I like it because it's so rare. It's just dumb. So yeah, yellow, yellow room has loaded the ablows. I was a very man. Lamborghini's I haven't seen many. There weren't too many. So a couple of contaches. A couple of downloads to that Alpener. LM002's. He had a wagon. LM002 made. Of course. That was in the UK for a long time in the 80s, 70s, 80s. What's the most like? There's anything off the, so I'm thinking you could probably pick from sort of Bentley, Audi, Mercedes, Lamborghini, you know, the usual sort of luxury. Is there anything like weird? Yes, like relatively normal. A couple of suit prism there. Okay. And R32 skyline. Yeah. We had, there's a Fiat Chinquicento one off like a pickup truck.
truck. I think maybe a concept car. That's in there. I think manufacturers in the 90s were waiting for the car. They were just hoping they were saying, "Frory's down the road." He's gone. This guy's paying millions for whatever he says. For stuff that doesn't actually take that much effort for us, really. A fit around the phone. It's going to cool. I wonder if Frory's like, "Fix, Frory, just ask him if he wants to feed." Just ask him if he wants to jingle jitter. I'll just ask him if he wants to. My little brother's just asking if he wants to take the chink with Chanto as well. He'll take it. Well, thanks. Thanks. Yeah, he said he'll take it. Yes. There's all sorts of weird, they're just random things in there. There's a thing called a cupod, which is, I think it's an amphibious car. It's two of those in there. Nice. The McLaren F1s are obviously some of the most ridiculous ones. There's an F1 GT. There's three of the five F1LMs ever made. I saw you. Two of which are painted in a very interesting livery. There's actually one of them was given away to another royal family quite recently. As well, there is well over £100m worth of F1s. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Because how much are they? It's just F1s. The ones that are, what is interesting, and you probably won't remember this. Again, I'm sorry, I'm trying not to make this too long. It's fine. It's cool. The yellow F1 from the collection that they're off-oases on now that people are going crazy over. People don't realise that F1 is no longer there. That car escaped in a vertical. Another quick tangent. None of them are rotting away. Everyone loves to say this. It's a little bit perpetuated by the Donut video, which was kind of done off Wikipedia information. They're all sitting rotting. None of them rotting. They are in a air conditioned humidity-controlled garage. The special cars are taken care of very well because there's a lot of money. There are some that are abandoned. Cars that were, there's a Koneg-lister, couple of Koneg-SLs that were thrown into a rainforest, into a forest, sorry, and have sat for 30 years because they ran out of space in the garage. Of course that's not what work. Are you going to go into the forest for a bit because we've just got a new shipment of MFX. F1s have got to move in there. Oh, yeah. The F40s have got to move. John, I have to be in here. It's awful. Don't worry about you. Don't worry about you have to move the car park around and there's a car as I've got, you know. How many like jump packs of it? Oh, God. They got, I've wanted to jump start this car. We're going to reverse the F40 out. Jump it off the F40. Oh, they're all in a line as well. There's, I can't remember the full number, but it's 10xJ220s or 10+. Oh, check. There's, yeah. Yeah, check it out. Get it, go, get it. Yeah, I'm the phone. There's a couple custom re-bodied XJ220s called the J's. 959s, there's five or ten of those, or right and right. It is, it is, oh, Tess Rosser convertibles. The M50. The in-old job overdrive and there were a kind of chap called Richard in a previous life. I want to say it was MG. Okay. It might be Bentley. It must be very different. Yeah, I would see. Maybe he worked on some, on Brunai cars. I might, I must ask him at some point again. He used to work on, on sort of making and putting together some of the more custom stuff for the cars. would be, you've, from the stories he told me, Richard's a funny guy and he's got knowledge, Richard's got, just, just pulled out a random story. Maybe we're, we get richer on the podcast. When I used to work on the Sutton of Bury Nice Rover like, whoa, yeah, I've had a good, but yeah, no, though, there was, it was so big that the, they set up, so there, there was an amusement park built by Bury Nice in the 90s that was never opened. Yeah. And then just outside the amusement park is where the garages are, where all the special stuff is and it got so big and there were so many cars being built that there were, there were, like production managers and people building cars in Bury Nice to keep up with the demand. So there was people from Pinn and Freena with a garage inside the Royal Palace. Sorry, the palace inside the Royal Garages, building cars as quick as they could build them for them. That's wild. You know what, they could make the maddest YouTube channel. It is. It would be like, you know, like Christiano and others just started a YouTube channel and just flown. That's, that's what Carl YouTube would be. And also, I'm like, I've said this to you multiple times. You're out my life that I would leave everything behind just to go on a tour of it. Yeah. I know, I've seen photos, but I just need to be, I just need to, my, one of my life goals is to own the next Brunei Royal family car. There's a cut in everyone. Yeah. But that's, thing, it wouldn't even need to be an 850. There's a couple of band and date 50 still in Brunei that I would love to restore. What is it? There's pictures of what they roll around in. Is it like, so it's an older G wagon. So he has a Brabist G wagon, but that's not, has a Brabist G wagon. It's not like the current gen either. It's like a bunch of different. Yeah. It's a later, it's a late, I think he does now have a new one. But yeah, there's, they, they, they roll around and all sorts of cool stuff. Yeah. Also just goes, you've got 5,000 utterly random cars. You can jump. I'll just try to put a lap in the G wagon. Because if that was your collection, you could you know what? We're out in F53. Yeah. But that's the thing, they don't have a number four out, but they couldn't because of, because of what happened. Yeah. They can't show it off. They can't, which is why again, because these photos are believed. It will probably become a little bit more secret again for a couple of years where everyone's like, right, put them away. Damn. It's not great, is it? You know, people struggling to exactly pay a job, so they mean while you're all families, is 5,000. Are you in the 10th McLaren F1 today? No, no, no. Number six, I'm in the Le Mans winning F1 GTR replica. It's just parked just past my hundreds of S classes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Are you a Heathrow taxey? So yeah, that's that's Brunite. That's potentially one one hundredth of what I'd like to talk about it. I mean, we'll come back. We'll go over here. There's probably there's probably plenty more stories. Also individual cars as well. Oh, hundreds of individual cars that have great stories. I mean, like a Ferrari 456 with an Apache system. Yeah. It's crazy. The tip of the iceberg. So yeah, that's so that's been leaked basically. Yeah, exactly. So those photos around some, yeah. So we'll see we'll see what some people to go missing. Yeah. Yeah. Because there was then some photos from from more recent times that were leaked. And so someone basically leaked them was like, well, clearly we can we can leak them all now. Someone posted some of the recent ones. He deleted the stories quite quickly and said, I apologize for my actions. Yikes. Oh, yeah. Mike, can we get a check? How long? How long are we running right now? 57. Oh, that's okay. That's okay. I was expecting worse. Yeah, I was expecting. I was thinking why are we out of this? Okay. And well, not too far to go. We'll come back to Brunei. Big Brunei session. I'm a week off. They will do one big special. If we can get a couple of special Brunei guests. Oh, I don't get too contentious to get a royal family on. No, yeah, they're not. Yeah. No. Yeah. Jeff, we can ask around. If you if you can get me legally and not get shot into the what's going into the collection, please get in touch. I'll tell no one. I'll say I never was there. I just want to walk around it. I just need to look. Just need to look. You wouldn't even want to take a photo. I don't even need to take a photo. Lock the phone away. You know, I might be wearing glasses. I swear I always wear glasses. And that's not a camera in the glasses. Don't worry. My tie. Why is my tie beeping? Why's it a man got a camera behind me? I don't know what he talking about. Okay. Right. Off of Brunei. We'll get back to Brunei at another podcast because there's many things about some updates. What we've been up to. We'll be doing. We have been doing some stuff. Bad news. Really bad news. Sorry. Actually, I'll start with some good news that we'll get to in a gym. Good news. We drove a dutch sand there. We really did. And then bad news. Our limo is uninsurable. And it's not like how we couldn't get an insurance quote once. We have spent a week speaking to people on the phone. No one will ensure it. Limmo specific limo insurance companies have refused to ensure us. I found like comparison sites that are like we insure a limo. And it asks you, are you doing it for business? No. And that's where they get confused. But yeah, we're trying to ensure it because I don't know if you know limo's quite long. So we have a trailer. We've cars around on. We can't put the limo on the trailer. Because he doesn't fit. I think we probably have two trailers and it still wouldn't fit. Yep. So we can't just tow it normally. We can't drive it illegally. No, it's not very. We mentioned in a previous podcast that we had had the insurance, the insurance company that we had insured it with. Called us and said, yeah, you've actually insured this wrong. We can't insure it. So you need to find some other insurance. And I really nice list. Listen, Leo got in contact and said, oh, we I work for insurance company. And we actually do American specialist and limo stuff. Give me a ring. Maybe we can sort something out. I run him and he was like, yeah, I'll get a quote. Go ahead and have a look. I got a call from him yesterday. And he was like, I'm sorry, man, but it doesn't work. You car can't we can't insure it. We got we got one quote, which was I had to put the number plate in on a comparison site. Said it was a town car, which is true. And then when it says, does the car have X amount of seats, like normally it's a five seats or whatever. I said, no, it has eight. Yeah. You didn't declare that it was a limo because there's nowhere to do because no one said it's no, but I thought eight seats is a is a dead giveaway that is slightly longer than usual. Eight seats in a five seat car. It's not comfortable. Unless you just pack it them in there. So we said that. I think I might have said TV as well. And a quote came back at fourth. The most expensive was four.
of £900 cheapest was like four six. - So five grand, to not even correctly ensure it. They, you might pay that and they might ring up just like we did last time and go, and we can't sure. This is a limo. - That's a limo. - I told you we had eight seats. - Yeah. - So we're in, we actually, we actually don't know what to do now. - We're out of time with it. - I have exhausted every single specialist insurance. I've sat on the phone for maybe a cumulative nine to 10 hours this week. - Yeah. And we have a limo outside. - Also, what, what do you do with it? - If you transport long things, let's get in contact. But on the flip side, drove a, drove a Sandero. We drove a Dachessander journey. - By the time this podcast comes out, the video will be out. - We will be out. - Of us driving the cheapest car in the UK, which is a Dachessander for £13,750. - We haven't turned into car of yours. - No, because in comparison, we then brought what we would buy for the same money and you brought something quite similar. - I would say, quite similar. Four doors. - Four doors. - Seats are similar. - Car. - I'd say car wheels, the engine. - The whole tripang. - Engine is quite large. - The Dachess one liter. - Was it one liter? This isn't one, two, three, four, five. - And the six. - I've been on that. - And a point two. - Six point two. - Here's a C63 engine. - Yeah. And I did, see, we'll went quite silly. It has to be said. I tried to take a bit more seriously. I brought a V10M5. - I mean, it's much more sensible. - It's a saloon, family saloon, really. So yeah, that was, that video was a lot of fun to film 'cause we got to drive some cars that we dreamed of. - Yeah, drive quite annoying 'cause I was very ill. - That, that, that, that. - It was quite, not wait. This was sort of like weeks in the making months, maybe actually. - Yeah. - And it was like the C63. A listener actually, John, who listens to this podcast, he heard that I said I wanted to drive it or own the C63, I now very much want to own the C63. I do too, it's just a message. And said, do you want to drive mine? And it was like the, it was the guy. It was the guy. Perfect. For what, for what we're looking for. Also just extremely loud. - Oh, but you wouldn't, you know what? I was thinking this all the way home after. You couldn't have a C63 any quieter. - No, you know, if someone's got a quiet C63, what are you playing at? - That's not how he works. It's not him. - What are you playing at? - So basically, he kind of came from there 'cause we were like, okay, we've got access to a C63. We might be able to black it down. - The trend of ours Taylor has just bought an E65. And I said, very pretty pleased Taylor. Can I please drive it? And after lots of begging here. All right, fine, just be quiet. - It was a good excuse to drive two cars that we've both wanted to drive for a very long time. And it was just great. - It was very good. - And I will, but that was a nice day to be ill. - Yeah, I will earn an M5. - Sorry, I will earn that engine. That's my requirement. - I'm looking at the C63 as I speak. In my mind, it's right now. 'Cause this podcast is pre-recorded. Whatever will is actually doing right now, he's looking at C63. - Yeah, I see. - You can, what's will do? - He's looking at C63. - And what is one on an auction currently? I'm probably not good a bit, but I'm gonna see it go for some ridiculous amount of money, probably very cheap and be a upside. I wanna get that little Christmas deal. - That little cheap Christmas deal. - I'll let it go. - Yeah. - Santa's coming. - So that's what we've been up to this week. - That's what we're having. - We're also, why are you doing that? Also, I meant to say Chris has asked me to do this by the way, if you're watching this and not listening to it, I'm wearing our TDC X, all the gear, X, auto Alex. We made a collab Christmas jumper. Chris has just asked me to say, these are available by the way, and they will, if you order them, I think he said, by December the 10th, I think, they will arrive by Christmas. - Yep. - So, I'm going to go grab that. I, okay, I got this jumper two weeks ago maybe. - I haven't seen it in the interview. I've bought it every day. - I mean, it's just, I'm anywhere, 'cause it's a nice mid layer. - Yeah. - 'Cause it's cold in this, you know. But also, I just like it. It's really cool. - It's just, I size up if you're buying one. - If you're buying two. - It's quite tight. I'm an X, I usually wear an XL, which is why my clothes are too tight, and you always comment about it, shut up. But, this is a double XL. - Yeah. - So this is, and it's tight on the, so get a size up. - But they're really nice. - Also, it's great, because from a distance, you would never know it's car nerdy, and it's just a Christmas job. - But, if you know, you know, you know the microg, you know the Ninkinonks, man. - Look like a Ninkinonks, I bet. - No penguins, we got this. - And that is shop. - No. - Top, I've caught them. - Topdeadsea.shop.com. Topdeadsea.com is the link. - Oh, damn it. - Topdeadsea.com, we have got Christmas jumpers. I believe we might have wrapping paper coming in. - We do, we do. - We have Christmas cards. - We have, we do have T-shirts and stuff, but buy it, but no, there's more coming. - Yeah. - You might have noticed that we've changed some of our logos on our Man YouTube channel, also sort of matches on 2DC as well. - And there are T-shirts coming for cream. - Yes, there can be cream T-shirts. - Basically, we saw a lot of your comments saying, can there be some non-episode specific, Topdeadcenter and Cremerch, it's coming. 'Cause we both agree, we all agree that it's car, car's roll everything around. - Me, man, you got to wrap it. - Sorry to interrupt quickly, we don't have sponsors on the podcast, but we'll say that was a sponsor segment. - Four Chris in the much. - Also, we are actually trying, we're not just trying to make a crap merch, we are all the time trying to make stuff that we would wear. And we think you might wear, but cream stuff will definitely on. - Also, there's a car's ruin T-shirts as well. - Yes, so there are a lot of you. - It's a ruin, a ruin so that you may choose whatever your soul vibes with more. - You pick your mood. So that's where we're at with that. - We got some ex. - So get to the shop. - We've got some all, another email. We've talked about this before. - Yes. - On the podcast, we've mentioned things that we'd like to do and people keep becoming, and a genie comes and goes, "We'll make that country that." - We had a man, we still need to reply to. - I'm sorry, Tom, I think Tom, I will, I promise. - On the clarin. - I just, I'm not going to email. - We want to go. - I'm not going to bring my emails. - I can't, we've probably forgotten lots of others. But anyway. - A man emailed. - Oh, he emailed the shop, but it would be fair to you. - He did email the shop. - He emailed, maybe we need a specific. If you would have to email us. - Yeah, maybe we'll make a-- - Email
[email protected]. - Yes. - But maybe we'll make a-- - Not randomly. - We'll make a cream one. Only if you have something to offer. - Yeah. (laughing) - I got half a chicken pie, mate. - You could swap it. - A man sent an email to the shop, Josh in the shop said, "Oh, a man email." He said, "You said it, let you spec his car." - And we were both like, "Okay." We mentioned all the podcasts, someone like, we were expecting him to go like, "Yeah, I've got a voxel "course eradication." And he went, "Nah, it's a, what do you say it was?" Oh, a Lamborghini Temerario. (laughing) And you're like, "Excuse me?" - "Excuse me." - Sorry. - Also, "Why haven't we seen this yet?" But yes. - So, do you know his name? I think you just found your J. - I don't know his name. He has a name. - Okay. - Hold on, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Talk amongst yourselves. - He begins with J. I think his surname begins with, "Oh, great." Well, I think that's for private series. - James Bond. - That's all we can, but he says, - Yes, he says, - He's quite, I just wanna find what he said. 'Cause he also, he was quite brief with it. He was, yeah, he was just, he was basically along the lines of, "Hi, I've got a Temerario allocation. "I'd potentially let you spec it." And so, Will and I were both like, right. We were told that. Was that yesterday? - Yes, there was yesterday, yeah. - And we sat down there and then on the configurator and started messing with cars. So, I also did it again when I was home last night. - Oh really? - I had to have a proper look. 'Cause if it happens, we're making a video out of it. - Oh yeah. - I mean, also, we did say for a moment, do we mess him up? - Yeah, it would be quite funny to make it Ronald McDonald's back. Also, was it, believe the, Joe Bosch, the reason we were talking about this, which was the spec of Shmi's car, which we didn't like, has got back to Shmi. - Yeah, has got back to Shmi. Joe, who of Skolz and Scalz, she knows Shmi. She listened to the podcast, sent it to Shmi. - Also, she's there. - Yeah. - What are you doing? What's going on here? - We're safe in this little bubble. This is, - No one watches this podcast. - What stays on the podcast? - No, what stays on the podcast? - The two stays on the podcast. (laughing) - But anyway, apparently he was, he was all right about it. He said, apparently he wants us to come and see the car in person. - Fair. - So we can abuse it to his face. - Hey, listen man, you pick Phoenix Yellow, not me. (laughing) That's what he was all about. - That's what he was all about. - Most annoyed about, he's like, hang on, whoa, whoa. He said, it's Phoenix Yellow. - You can't tell me those accents aren't Phoenix Yellow. - But, I mean, Shmi mate, come on. Come on, come on mate. - Let us speak on that spot. Get us on there, we'll sort of, none of this red and yellow stuff. (laughing) Also, who did red and yellow first? Who did red with yellow stripes first? It was Phil. - We made the stroke literally last, almost I want. - Did we? - Yeah, we said, we came first to Phil or the egg. - Of course. - Yeah, how can I figure that out? - Yeah, anyway, Jay, I have his name, but I won't say it. You said you want to spec a car. You can spec my Lamborghini Tema Rare, if you want, I would need to get Manchester Lambo to agree to video, but I'm good if you want to go. That's great. Also, so nonchalant. - Yeah. - That's what I mean, it wasn't like, I feel like I'm having a different pocket. - Yeah, I got the Tema Rare, I mean, you want to, but, great. - On your head, mate. - But also, we'll make it nice. - So maybe that'll happen. - Yeah, we say, mate, what do you want us to spec it like? - So we are running quite long, 'cause we haven't done a forum. We haven't also been here this week. So he hasn't chosen a forum question. So maybe we'll use this a catch up week, put some forum questions in and we'll choose some for next time. I do have a lyric. Should we do a lyric or should we do just a, just a, - I mentioned one thing.
Yes. It's quite funny and it's quite recent. We went on a sports car trip, we went to the not-the-late districts, not Dartmoor. We stopped in a very, very nice pub. Oh yeah, this is great. We were ordering food in this pub, the waitress came up. The waitress was, I would say, "older, I would say 50 plus." Oh yeah, kind of. I'm 60s. And she was very kind, very nice, very lovely. Very nice, very lovely. She came up, asked us what we were doing in the area. And so, can we, can we rob, can you play her? Hello, play us. Yeah. Hello, Edwin. How are the chips? How were your chips? They were really good. Thanks, Ed. I was very much. I don't care. What are you doing in the area? Oh, okay. We're actually filming some cars we've worked for a little YouTube channel, so. All right. What sort of cars? Some kind of older, cheap, one of ones in Nissan, 350Z, one of the Porsche Bonds, though. I quite like classic cars. I do. I've got some myself. Oh really? What sort of car do you have? I've got a classic mini. Oh really? Oh, yeah. Really nice. And you're a classic one. And then my friends got one. I mean, classic mini. Sorry, that was it. Yeah. My friends got a classic mini. And then she's working away. So I walked into the kitchen with the machine. And I've got a DB4. And we went. Sorry, what? We went, sorry. Huh? Was that sorry? And we kind of went silent. And she's vanished. And she just kind of went off the edge. She made a lot of actually existed. And we all looked at each other when she could. She didn't. We didn't mistake what she said. She said a DB4. And then we were thinking, because she said about classic mini, we were thought, I started looking up. That's a type of classic mini that's called a double. I looked up. I couldn't see anything about any DB4 name that is associated with mini. I can't think of any other DB4. No, that you're related thing. So, you know, maybe those pub lunches are there's profit in there. Because if she's rolling around the DB4. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. If you are that woman or you know that woman, care to be at the Warren House in. Yeah, that's a lot more. And fire that has been burning for 150 years. Thousand years. Saving on electric. Yeah, very nice. Also, two fires. Which one goes out first. So, yeah, that's what we do. We do a music section. An argument. I say let's, we're going on a little while. Let's just get a stretch of an argument. Love it. Cool. I'll say that because we can have a double music. Also, someone commented and said when I asked for the, the, that we should come up with the name for the music section. Car bars. Car bars. It's right there in front of you. That's a good point. It's a class. Quite nice actually. I think we might have to make a little jingle. A little, he'll go into the mic. Car bars. Car bars. Slow bars. On the soundboard. I hate meatballs. So, you've got, we've got an argument. And this one, Edwin and I have argued many times over this, but we never actually had a full on. Yes. So, we had a full on debate about it. If you're a first-time listener, we always like to end our podcast with a little argument. Will I argue about everything? We're very similar with car things, but also very different and have very different tastes. So, bring it on, home slice. All right. Today's argument. The lawn mats. Car. Car. It's just, it's just bollocks. But what are they there for? To protect your damn carpets. Sorry. How many cars have I been in? Here's a question. No, no, no, no, no. Here's a question. Do you have a floor mat on top of your floor mat to protect your floor mat? But then do you get another floor mat to protect that one? What's the point? No, because you never use the carpet then. Because, yeah, but what you don't need, the carpets, because there is like insulation and to cover up the fact that it's bare metal under there. That is purely decorative insulation for noise, all that kind of stuff. The floor mats are there because they're an easy thing to replace when they wear, which is why, and I know I've seen this in many of your cars. In the MX5, the MX5, the MX5, the MX5, has holes in a carpet. And now, how did you not do it? Exactly, because I'm after Bell M. No, someone in using some of that. Someone was doing something. Anyone who managed to do something. Someone who's done something. Guys, does anybody know anything about anything at all? All right. Someone has managed to do something. If you managed to wear through a carpet, you will. With your foot, give up driving. No, but you don't understand how driving works. Absolutely. If you do, 100,000 miles in a car, and it's just one, but where's a floor mat? Because that way. But what are you doing? You're not touching it. You shouldn't be touching that. And now, I think you don't understand this because you don't drive a car. What do you mean? You're spreading your driving between 10 cars, doing eight miles per year in each one. But what? Why are your feet on the carpet? They're footnotes here on the pedal. Sorry, are you hovering? No. See, sure. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I'm going to get your driving style down here. Are you in the car just a toe on the pedal? No, I'm like that. So your heels? Your heels. That's a fair amount of wear. Sorry. Do my heels weigh seven tons? They go. They go resting on a carpet. And you will find, and the sensible people out there are listening, will know that after a lot of driving, you will eventually wear through your floor mats. And it's purely through heels. That's, I think that's wild. I just don't think, I think it's ridiculous. But they get in the way. They're always moving around. Okay. But that's when they're bad. That's when they're bad. Bad floor mats. Okay. All right. All right. Any floor mat. Nah, that isn't the floor, that's what I mean. That's an instant bin. If you buy it. If you buy them in the bin, universal floor mats. Yeah. Also, there's the comic sounds on the side. Any of them. That's another one for that anyway. If you buy shitty floor mats. If you buy those leather stitched floor mats. If you buy a crisscross wall custom floor mats. Or if you buy ones that got a little red border on them, just get out. That's disgusting. You're an idiot. Just get nice carpets. Normally, an OEM carpet. Tell me, I'm going to make a statement. Tell me this. Now go on in. Hold on. This is a tangent. I'm going to start with the first one. That's a tangent. Is that a tangent? I'm going to start with a tangent. I've got an argument for next week. I've just thought of it. Is it what it is? Yeah, it's a healthy diesel. You won't get me on that. Yeah, I don't care. I've changed my ways. Oh, yeah, okay. All right, fine. Maybe I'll find this one. But, floor mats, they're my stills. They raise your foot. What's the floor mat of you got? Sorry, they're not. They're not. They're not this much on a bad day. They're not this much. Tell me this. Right. Rain drove her, especially in my one. The standard ones, the nice ones. You get those thick carpets. You're saying that's better without them. What do you say? What's the carpet? It's got those. The floor mats. It's cast floor mats. Yeah, I don't want that. Why? That's nice as fuck. But what do you mean? I'm not driving in bare feet. I'm not going, God, these feel good on my front with bare feet. Oh, God, I love this. I have shoes, so I don't get a clue for that. I have shoes on. I can't feel the floor mats. Yeah, but I, but still you're just as wrong. It's literally because you can swap them out when they wear. I'd rather than swapping out your whole damn carpet. Also, again, here's the other thing. It's not just about where. It's about why and who. It's about who and why and what? When you get in your car, nine times out of ten, you have been outside. Correct. That's what I'd say is most of the true. Yeah, I can't think of a time you've been in my house and got directly into my car. That's what I mean. So you have traipsed out, you know, along some mud or rain or whatever goes on the carpet. Okay, but that means when you clean your car, another one, when you clean your car, you can clean the carpet and it means you can remove that carpet properly cleaning it. Or if it gets too soiled, you simply replace it with a new one when it's rough. You're a kid. How do you remove your entire carpet? That's, okay, that was what I was about to say. I'm not saying the thing, it makes no difference because you'd clean the carpet. It's anyway. Yes, taking it out is, I guess, is easier. But I just vacuum out my interior anyway. So I'm just vacuuming it. But what do you not say? I'm in the car anyway. If you're doing lots of, not even if you're doing normal miles of the car, you will wear through the carpet. That's the thing I think is I struggled to, I think you're sitting wrong. I think you're. But your heels. Your heels are quite an angle. I try to, I try to, like turning my heel into the carpet, like I'm turning up. I would, like, I just rest my foot. I'm the carpet. Do you, do you wear through the carpet in your house when you walk through it? No, because you're not, yeah, okay, no, but you would, you would if you sat in the same place for hours, okay, you're an 80 year old man. What about people in their living rooms sitting in their sofa? No one sits there, non-sit's the same man. Non-sit's there. It's like sitting in your room and going. But, sorry, what I'm doing right now is shuffling my legs like everybody else. I don't know what you're doing. What I'm doing right now is sitting here. No one does what you do in a car. That's a great, that, put that on a crick, put that on a coin. No, no one is doing with their legs. What they do in a car. What they do on a sofa. I don't care about that doesn't make sense. I think that is the perfect quote to end this podcast. I have to make a T-shirt of that. I'll tell you what, I would like, I put it to you. You sat on a horse. I put it to you. If we did 10,000 miles in the same car, I have floor mats and you have a carpet. You're putting a hole in that car. Absolutely not 100%. I think you've just got the heaviest feet in the world. You know what? It's because you keep wearing those cowboy boots with spurs on the back of the bike. No, no, no, I'm saying you. Are you?
wearing cowboys. Oh, no, have a spur on the back. Just cutting into the, cutting into the carpet. But it's just common knowledge. If you keep doing the same thing in the same place, lots of movement, it will wear. I just don't think I just think. But we've bought, I've bought 200,000 mile cars before that don't have floor mats in them. Yeah, but they don't have floor mats in them, but they probably have it for the rest of their life. There's no way because most people are sensible bullshit. I hate it. I get a car doesn't have floor mats. I'm immediately thinking you're a scumbag. I see, I remove them through them away. I get rid of them. If it has aftermarket ones or doesn't have them, I'm not buying them. Oh, you stupid idiot. That's a grand off. No, floor mats. What's a floor mats? Floormats are quite expensive. That's another reason why I hate them as well. Because I remember looking at by trying to buy a passenger one and something and a driver one, when it's going by a driver one, 150 pounds. Are you driving me? If you're going to spend that on a piece of carpet. But they're always around it. No, they're just not saying steal it, but it's in their own. You can buy it. They're not saying. So aftermarket ones, that's quite nice. Do they still look thicker? They still look at the OEM. Okay. Good floor mats. I bet. You're all floor mats kind of. Oh, no, I understand that I'm in the minority here. I just hate them. I just look shit without that. You know, I disagree. I think floor mats look horrible. That's just such stupid bullshit. Or it's just like that. Joy, this is the worst argument. They look that. Do you wear, it's like wearing arm bands. You're just wearing something for safety for the rest of the room. It's like wearing socks. Why? The socks, they're not for heat and insulation reasons. No, I don't want to talk about. Okay, great. I think that's perfect. That's what it feels like to me. It feels like wearing shoes with no socks. If you have no floor mats, you're essentially barefoot in your foot, in your shoes and that's disgusting. Right. That's, you know what, that's a more, I always think that our arguments don't get that close to our real arguments. That was closer than most. There are no floor mats in their car. People who wear flip flops. Great. More great. Yeah, well, you wear crocs. Thank you very much for listening to the Cars' Rule Everything Around Me podcast. Very long Brunei section that kind of hit on the rest of the podcast. But thank you very much for listening. We will see you next week where we will be talking probably about floor mats again. And Brunei again. Have a good rest of your week. Let us know in the comments if you are rule or ruin as always.
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