Butchering Family - Harrington, Delaware

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I just consider it. It's probably just a lot of houses with blue and gold. A lot of blue, maybe some nautical themes, blue and white. Yeah, a lot of boat wheels in these all. Oh, tons of them. This is in central Delaware, a whole thing's kind of one big panhandle. It's just like a strip that they cut out of another land. That's it. It's 30 minutes to Dover, Delaware, about an hour and 40 minutes to Baltimore. Yeah. We want to go that way. And about an hour and 10 minutes to Newcastle, Delaware, which is our last Delaware episode. This is episode 710. Yeah. That was episode 528. Damn. Been a minute since we've done some Delaware. So definitely, that's been a while. This is in Kent County. That was episode was called Murder Math, by the way, it was a fun one. Area code here, 302, population 3730. Wow. So pretty small place. Wow. And there's a lot of rural areas around here too. There's some like farmland and it's very rural. Median household income here is just below the national average, about $62,639. But the median home cost as well, under the national average as well. That is $221,900, which is pretty inexpensive compared to everywhere else. And it has two motto here, two, one is the hub of Delaware. It's not, but okay. It's in the middle. I mean, that's, you know, and then because it's, these are all like geography based, it feels like just where they're located. The next one is where Delaware comes together, because it's the middle of it, I guess. It's all I can think. But a little bit of history, Harrington was named for the honorable Samuel Maxwell Harrington, who's a former chancellor of the state. Yeah. What's going on there? The town developed at a railroad junction along the Delaware Railroad and serve as a trading center. Before it was Harrington, it was known as Clark's Corner. Clark's Corner. Clark's Corner. It's fashioned out of 6,000 acres of forest, is basically it. Clark was Benjamin Clark, and in 1780, he built a home in a tavern here and kind of started the place on the corner of two roads. Benjamin Clark was a pretty big deal, wasn't he? I've never heard of it before. 13 original colonies. Benjamin Clark. I feel like he was one of the authors of, no, did not sign that. I don't think so, because in 1780, he was running a tavern in the middle of here. So 1760. Yeah. Can't imagine he fell that far and four years from, "Hey, Ben, will you sign this? We need your signature on this day. Fuck off and go tell Drunks to get out of your fucking place. It's a little different." I hope that didn't happen. It feels like an important name, though, unless he really just gave up on everything. I was like, "Fuck it. I'm selling boots." It might have had a big scandal, just had to open a bar. The huge scandal. Who knows? The scandal back then would have to be crazy, because everybody was fucking everybody. The scandal would be, you didn't go to church on Sunday or something. Scandal B, he didn't fuck those people. Yeah, but he could have had like 45 illegitimate children, half of them with fucking slaves. It wouldn't amount like they would have been, "Well, I mean, that's fine, but he should have went to church Sunday. We're going to hold him responsible for that." So 1862 is when they named it Harrington, and who was the chancellor of the Delaware Railroad. Oh. Yeah, I don't think so. Wow. No. Reviews of this town here, five stars, Harrington is a nice small city in Delaware and it is somewhere nice to move if you prefer small towns and not big cities. We have a couple of places that are walking distance and overall is a nice town to live in. A couple of places that are walking distance. Yeah. It sounds like the person just had a stroke by the way they're writing. It's just like very. And 4,000 people and you got nothing walkable? Not even 4,000. There's a lot of rural areas around here too. That's the thing. So, don't long distances. One star, I will never spend a cent in this corrupt town. Okay. I hope their little speed trap bracket is worth it to their revenue. One of those towns. That's a traveler right there. That's not somebody that's spent any time here. They spent whatever it took to be stopped by the point he's here. The same review we leave of that town in Texas we got pulled over going through the same thing. That's hope it's worth it. There's a couple in New Mexico, a couple in New South, they're all over the Southwest. Those little towns walking. That's all they make money. That's the only way they make money. And finally one star, a terrible place to live. Yeah. Very corrupt and many clicks, just waiting until I can get out of here. How do they spell clicks? They spelled it correctly. How about it? I'm surprised, honestly. The last person didn't spell cities correctly but they spelled clicks correctly. So that's good. Things to do. Harrington has been big harness racing town. Is that right? Yes. Are you serious? Apparently, yes. It started in the 1946 and the next year they had a swarmed an association called the Harrington Raceway and built the track that is still there and is still a major attraction. Wow. Then there's also the Harrington Raceway and Casino, a quote six million dollar slots palace with 1,327 machines to play. But it's even like a lot. No. It attracts 1.5 million people every 10 months, which is a very odd measurement of time to build. How about we just do it every 10 months? Now fuck years. Is 10 months a fiscal year? What are they doing? You got me. I don't know. What's going on? Was that really shocked me? They must close down for a couple of months. They have to. And then there's also the Delaware State Fair is in Harrington. And at the Delaware State Fair, they have the Hollywood racing pigs. What are those? TIG races. Well, the highly energetic show features adorable minipigs and potbellied pigs racing around a custom built obstacle stream track to win their favorite prize and Oreo cookie. That's their reward at the end. So they all watch. Pigs run for run for a cookie pig race is need bet on here because it's at the casino I'm sure and they have celebrity pig puns. That's what the draw is is they name it pigs. There is Kevin Bacon, obviously, um, it's a given snoop hoggy hog, uh, Brittany spare ribs. I like that. Yeah. That's a funny. Ari Hammagrande. That's a good one there. So yeah, there's also racing corgis. Uh huh. So tiny dogs racing, which is kind of a dog that looks most like a pig. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. With their face. Yeah. Very small and long and fat. Yeah. And also, uh, performing there will be just Kelly Adams following the Hollywood pig races. That's how you want to follow. And also Adam Calvert. It's me. No, those are country acts. And there's also Dan, Dan, the farmer man. That's hilarious. Okay. That's sad. Let's talk about some murder, shall we? All right. Let's do this. That's that's fair sounds great though. That sounds like fun. At least they've got sense of the humor about they know stupid, right? Ari, Ari Hammagrande is good. Yeah. Um, so this murder, let's talk about Bired and Alberta Smith. First off, there's 68, Bired 68 and his wife Alberta is 69. Bired with a D. Bired. B-Y-A-R-D. Never seen that name before my life. That's a fevern. Yeah. So I was like, okay, Bired. Um, now, as of 1979, that's where we're going to catch up with them. They're living in a nice little two-story house, modest, but, you know, nice. They've done all right for themselves. They're retired now. Sure. Money's tight. You know, they're living on social security. They're not wealthy people or anything like that. They keep shitloads of frozen food. Oh, shitloads. They're like paranoid or running out of food and then think about when they came up, this is 1979. Yeah. They came up during the depression. Yeah. They keep, they can get food now. They stockpile it for later. That's how it is. Well, kind of frozen food. Do they like freeze everything? Not frozen shit. Boxes of it, bags of it, frozen dinners, frozen things, frozen. They're in the, and that's, that must be a thing. Cause my, one of my grandmother's, the racist man was very much like that. She had a freezer in the basement that was just packed with shit. And I'm talking shit that when, when she like, when my grandfather died, I remember my father went down and he cleaned out the freezer. And there was, there was stakes in there that were twisted and white and the cell by date was like 14 years ago. That's how much they're fine. They're fine. She'd aid it too. That's the sad part. She tried to serve it to somebody. Well, you can freeze things for a bit. It doesn't stop the break down, but it slows it tremendously. That's what they do. Yeah. And those are not a lot of the foods, a lot of the frozen foods that are in your frozen food section is full of fucking preservatives. It's also that's full of it. Yeah. It's a frozen herb. It's meant to be frozen and stayed frozen for a while. So they would keep that. They have adult children who, including a son named Arthur, who is about 35 years old and lives right across the street. They have a daughter who lives in the area. They have a lot of family right around them on the streets. One of these rural areas where one family kind of dominates a whole area here. Other family in the area, they have Alberta. The wife has a half sister named Mildred, who lives on the street as well. Her son also lives there. And that is William Henry Flamer. Yeah. He had a tough time in junior high. Let's get the worst. The worst time. Hey, Billy Flamer, look at you. Now, William had been raised mostly by his grandmother Florence Benson in a house about 150 yards from Byard and Alberta. That's because he had a terrible life. Essentially born in 1954, raised by his grandmother Florence Benson with his father also in the home. But not great. He recalls basically his father was always drunk. And he said that his dad would, quote, jump on mom and take her money. I learned alcohol from him. I've never, it's what I've never, we've never heard that phrase ever. I don't think that's ever been said before. Yeah. Even I've never heard anybody say I've learned drugs from him. Yeah. It just doesn't make sense. No. Yeah. He worked at the race tracks, different, the Harrington one and a different one. Um, this is William did. He said, but he spent most of his time, quote, this is a great 1979, quote, partying in jive and jive and just jiving real 70 style, not the hand variety. No, there's only about a 10 year period of time in the world where you could have been jiving. That's from about 71 to 81. Oh, aside, there's no jiving going on. You could hand jive in the 50s. You could do that. Well, you can't be just partying in jiving. Just generally jiving. No, you got to get a job. A general jive was a very small window to be a, have a general drive here. And he said, I could drink a fifth at a time as well, party in and drive and drinking a fifth or jiving. His mother lived elsewhere. But basically, he said, he saw his mom every day after she'd get off work when he was young, but he lived with his grandmother since the age of five. He started drinking pretty much around then like elementary school. He's an elementary school drinker. He started at that age. Um, his mother said he was a good student until the 11th grade when he quit school and just started drinking full time. He was a good student and then it was like, nah, I'm done. They just wanted to drink all the time. Wow. And everybody says his personality would change, switch on a dime when he was drunk, which some people, that's, that's what they do. He got married briefly. That didn't work out and mainly because he was drunk. 1976, he has a daughter as well. That's in the middle of jiving. That's, I mean, party and that's, that's what happens when you're partying in jiving. You can knock somebody up. That's part of the jiving. Yeah. I jived during a some unprotected. And this is what happened. So 1975, he's got some problems. Um, he couldn't hold steady work. A lot of it was his drinking. Um, and in 1975, he picks up two felony convictions for forgery. Shit. Because he's just trying to like some check thing or something, trying to get a few bucks and he's doing odd jobs. Yeah, he's doing odd jobs in part time work. And uh, now he's got a friend of his who he hangs out with here named Andre Stanley deputy, like a deputy officer. Wow. Um, now deputy was not from this town. No. Deputies from Wilmington. He's about six years older than William and also pretty big too. Oh, and he's got a fucking hell of a story here. Um, wow. He's got, by 79, he's already had a bunch of convictions, for manslaughter. What? One for sexual assault. And one for the manufacturing of Molotov cocktails. He's a bad man. He's serious. He's not doing a little forgery. He's raisin and killing him blow and shit up. There's bodies in his wake and things are getting set on fire. It's fucking crazy. Now he was born in Wilmington. He's the son of a preacher and one of eleven children. Yeah. I don't think this is too, uh, she was singing about though. No, this is not, well, maybe unless she, she likes to be raped and set aflame by a Molotov cocktail. Maybe, um, he was handsy. He was a little anzzy. He dropped out of school in the ninth grade and worked odd jobs at race tracks, just like the other guy, uh, long history of shit with the law. And he is a story, his origin story is like a comic book or something. It's crazy. Uh, when he was 12 years old, he saw his mother killed by a shotgun blast in front of him. That's got to be a little dramatic, I would say, right? Your mom. Yeah. That'll set you drink. And I think, um, he explained it as my sister had this boyfriend and he told her if she leaves him, she would never go with anyone else again and they broke up. One night he sneaked into our house, came through the third floor window and sneaked down the stairs. Deputy said he was sitting in the living room with his mother, two of his brothers and his baby sister. And he said the boyfriend had a shotgun. My mother told him to put the gun down. She got up and he shot her. Oh my god. Room in front of all the kids. That's a terrible story. That's a horrible story. That's some shit you'd see of how a comic book villain is formed, you know, or hero. One of the two. That's, that's crazy. A guy broke up with his girlfriend and went and broke into the house and murdered her mother in the living room. This makes Batman's origin story look like bullshit. Like he's a pussy who should have just went to therapy twice and he would have been fine. That's, this is way worse. This is terrible. That's, I mean, everybody goes to therapy for a long time. He saw Batman and was like, bullshit, pussy. That's what sets you off. So it's, it's bad. Uh, so with the death of the mother, him and his brothers basically started driving, I assume. Just really yeah, they're driving it up. So what happened to the sister? She's alive. So soft driving somewhere too. Party and then driving. Um, he said that, uh, basically the dad, his dad, quote, showed Andre and his siblings know, uh, little to no affection, spending all of his time except when he was at work in church. His dad is a preacher. Um, he said, I wasn't allowed to have friends. My father was strict. He thought that if I fooled around with other kids I'd get in the trouble. I got in the trouble anyway. He was, at age nine, he was still soiling himself in bed and basically living in like a dream world, not living in reality. So he was sent off to the Governor Bacon Health Center near Delaware City. He sent off to like a, like a mental hospital for children. When he's nine. When he's nine. Before even saw his mom murked. That's before he saw his mom murked. So he was, had problems to begin with and then his mom got murdered and it all went crazy. All of his siblings became horrible alcoholics, by the way, which seems about right. And this guy's a rapist slash manslaughter and bomber as well. And in 1979, in February, when he's hanging out with William Flamer, there's one more thing. He also has a warrant out for his arrest at this point. What? A warrant for murder. A fucking murder warrant here. James W. Jackson was killed on July 15, 1977. You're an argument over. I'll let you fill in the man up here. An argument over you'll never got it a million years. Well, you're 79. 77, 77. 77. I'm not wrong. Well, let's say in ball game. A game of horse shoes. Horse shoes. Of course, of course, it's a close count, man. Of course. A game, the only game that close actually points. His count said, yeah, he said he, uh, that's crazy. So there's that. Now, what they do, William and Andre, is hang out at the blue moon, which is a far, yeah. Just hanging out here, um, and day drinking. Just bad times. It's a good time. It's a good time. Yeah. It's so funny. He said that time. I'm like, that sounds great. That's it. Yeah. It's a good time. Nothing good comes from that though. If you do it consistently. If you do it one day, it's the, it's an amazing vacation. Yeah. If you do it every day, your life is a fucking disaster. You do it once a year. It's like, man. What a great thing. Take it. We're taking a nap by 4 o'clock. Yeah. This is fantastic. When you day drink and you don't do it, you go, we should do this more often. Yeah. And then 6 p.m. You go, I don't ever want to do that again. That's terrible. My whole night's ruined now. Whole night's fucked. Yeah. Uh, so they're shooting pool hanging out. Nobody knows that they, this guy's wanted for murder or anything. Um, so that's, that's, that's what's going on. That's the crew in the neighborhood and everything. Now February 7th, 1979 at 8 a.m. Arthur Smith, who is bired and Alberta's son, who lives across the street 35 years old. This morning, he glances over to heavy snow storm this morning, snowing like crazy. So he looks over it. It was parents' house and notices his father's car is missing from the driveway. Oh. He's like, that's weird. That doesn't go out in the snow in the morning. Yeah. Who the fuck is at all? Yeah. Where's he going? He looks over, saw that, sees that, sees the weather and he's like this isn't right at all. So he goes over to the house to see what's going on and goes inside. And what he finds is both of his parents, that's good. Yeah. Problem is they're both dead on the living room floor. Oh no. Surrounded by shitloads of, I mean, blood is fucking everywhere. If you made a horror movie and you said, I mean, cover it in blood. You could not do this. Yeah. It's that much blood. This is too much. No way. It's that, it's on the ceiling on the wall. I mean, it's fucking everywhere when you hear what the attack was. You'll understand why. Overturn chairs are everywhere. It just looks like, it's horrifying. Looks like, it looks like two lions came in and mauled them to death in here and like knock shit over while they were doing it, like two giant wild animals. A sofa cushion had cut marks where a knife had gone through it. His dad's trouser pants are turned inside out, so someone's looking for something. And the television's gone. The antenna cable is cut because back then they had a cable from the antenna. That's cut and left dangling there so they know that TV is gone. And the other thing is in the kitchen, frozen food is all over the place. There's family. And all over the house, there's frozen food packages on the ground, things that came out of the freezer. Somebody thought they kept the money in the freezer or something. It's, but not all the frozen foods on the floor, just some of the packed shit strewn about. So Arthur Smith calls the police as one does in that situation. They arrive the Delaware State Police homicide here. They come in and they said that it was, you know, the worst thing they'd seen in years at best. You know what I mean? All sorts of fish sticks as far as the eye can see. The Gortons fishermen is working overtime here. So the bodies, they find crazy amounts of injuries to the bodies. They've been stabbed a lot. I mean a lot. And there's wooden patterns. And they're old. They're not bothering anybody. The wound patterns tell of two distinct weapons, too. These are not the same knife. There's one knife and one big knife and one small knife that you can tell they've been stabbed with. They look around the scattered frozen food, the antenna, all of that. It's wild. Then they find a watch band pin. So a little pin on the watch band or up here, yeah. They find that little tiny thing lying loose, which near Byard's body. So probably came off. It's got a ripped. Yeah. Overturned furniture, emptied pockets, purses, purse upside down and, you know, contents is shrewd about. Then while they're still at the scene working this, they get a call saying they found the Smith's car, oh, Byard and Alberta Smith, they found their car, because that was missing. It was a band in north of Felton. So they have to go find the car. The residents in Felton describe, they have witnesses that saw a man leaving the car, which is good. They see a man leaving the abandoned car that morning. So a hardware store employee named William Wooters described a man coming into a store using the phone, a witness named Clara Green saw a man leaving the area with a suitcase and other items. And everybody got a good look at this guy. I mean, he wasn't hiding himself. He came in, went into the store, used the phone, everything. So the detectives, they have a description. Several witnesses describe the exact same person. Yeah. It's got to be the guy and they all given, if you have five different people and they all give the same description, that's probably who it is. And they haven't talked to each other. So they take that description to the Smith family, which is a odd, is do you know this person? So they take, because there's no forced entry, so like they let somebody in the house, or they had the door unlocked, whatever, but they're saying that this is not like a, someone no one kicked in the door or anything. So do you know this person, they give the description, their daughter heard it and said, that's William Flamer. That sounds exactly like William Flamer, who is her cousin. That's William. Brace yourself first. You guys are going to want to make fun of him when you put the coughs on, don't worry. They said, way said, well, do you know where he lives and they go 150 fucking that way right there? Right there, house. That one. See the green one? That's the house. The detectives go up the street to 147 Miss Pylon, Miss Pilly on street where Florence Benson, the grandma, answers the door and says, he is not home. And I don't know where he is. So they say, do you mind if we come in and look around a bit and she said, come on in and invite it. I'm in to search the house. Okay. They go, well, where's William's room? And they, she says up there so they go there first and they find brown paper bags of frozen food. Why did he do that? Not even in the freezer. They're in his room. So it's going to rot. And they're wrapped in brown paper bags the same way as the food sitting on the floor and house. In the first four closet, they find a TV set with an antenna cable cut, which matches up to the other end over there also a fan that they stole, they stole a fan, Jimmy, like a standing fan, like a fucking fan, like a box fan, either way, either a portable thing back then eight dollars, a fan. The fan was there. Then the Kudagra here, they go into the kitchen and they're talking to Florence and they look over out in the open, sitting on a stand is a bayonet just covered in dried blood. And what the fuck a fucking giant bayonet covered in dried blood and the sheet is covered in blood. It's covered in blood sitting right in the middle of the goddamn kitchen. So it's you in blood, yeah, something's wrong with him. Stupid. Is that drunk? I mean, yes. Something's wrong. He didn't even consider that this is weird. Drunk is the problem as we'll talk about. So the detectives went before justice to the piece. They got a first degree murder warrant and there's got to be some stupid too because it's crazy. I feel like if you're really smart, you don't get, you don't get like half as smart if you're drunk. I feel like it takes a lot of your intelligence away and if you're not that smart, it could really make you super stupid, but you'd have to be a little stupid to begin with to end up there. I feel like. That's weird. That, I mean, you'd have to be just ossified drunk to be able to get to this level of stupid and is this arrogance, what is it? take frozen food. Yes. Get all of it. I'll make it all tonight. It's okay. And what is the, is this like a play? What? What's in there that's wrapped up that's, is it salmon chunks? What is that? No idea. So they get the warrant. And while they're still at the courthouse, they get a report that William Flamer has been seen at the Blue Moon tavern on Route 13 south of Woodside right now, right now. So over by three 15, they are converging on the Blue Moon tavern. So they found the scene at eight and by three 15 cases solved and we're going to get the guy, which is impressive. I got to say. So three state police detectives and two Harrington officers converge on three men walking down the shoulder of Route 13, always a sign of success when grown men are walking down the shoulder of a major road. Yes. How do you know? Three wide. Three wide. And yeah, it's Flamer, Andre Deputy and a guy named Ellsworth Coleman. Okay. Now one of the detectives recognizes Flamer because it's a small town and he's dealt with him before. So he knows he goes, that's the guy we're looking for. They confront them. Hey guys, how you doing? Flamer is covered in blood. He's covered in blood. He has not changed yet. He hasn't even washed his hands. His hands and face are covered with blood. Yeah. Blood on his clothing, covering it. And he has fresh scratches all over his neck and chest. And I mean, he, it looks like, hey, I'm a guy who murdered someone a little while ago. Like I said, if you were in a movie, they make up would be he just slaughtered two people. This is exactly how you put him dress him. Oblivious is the word oblivious walking down the street. Like he went to a bar covered in blood still. He's arrested on the warrant. All three men are frisked. Okay. Officers feel a wallet in Andre deputy's back pocket pocket. They don't take it out right now, but they cause they don't have a warrant for him. But they ask him for identification. He says he doesn't have any. They ask Andre deputy, what's your name? Now he's got a murder warrant. So he's not going to tell them. And he says Ray Anderson. Good guess. Good shot. So all three of them are taken to the police station about 4 p.m. Now Coleman, the third man is questioned and released. Yeah. He just met up with them like an hour ago. So he's like, I don't know what the fuck they did earlier. I just met them. I just met up with them. And he added but I'm crazy to because I walk down the street with men covered in blood covered in blood. And I'm like, you want to walk down the road and I go, yeah, man covered in blood. I'd like to walk down a highway with you. Sure. Let's go for a walk. The two is so February 7th, 1979, 4 p.m. to 7 p.m. Here's the, here's what goes on. Here is Flamers story version one. Okay. Okay. He's Miranda's and everything like that. He says, well, I was a home. I was home of sleep. That's it. And he said, Andre deputy woke me up that morning and asked me to come along to my aunt and uncle's house to get some food. We're going to steal some food from them. Okay. So we did that. He said, when he got there, he found the smits were already dead. He said, we walked in. That's how we found it. That's terrible. It's awful. And he said, I, they were already dead. He said, I just help carry out the food. That's where I got blood on me because it was blood on the food stuff. So I just took it, you know, being in the house, you saw it. You know, he said, I'm not a killer. I just wanted to get some fucking swansons just going for a banquet. What are we doing here? You see in the market price for San Francisco. These sells very stakes are expensive. So yeah, he said, it's just that. They said the blood and he goes, yeah, the food run, you know, they go, well, why didn't you like call the cops and say they were dead? And he's like, Oh, I didn't know what happened. I didn't want to really be involved. You know, I don't want to shake things up or be involved. Now down the hall, they have Andre deputty. Now they pat him down because he's an interrogation room. They have to pat him down and make sure he has no weapons. So they pat him down. They pull his wallet out. It's Bired Smith's wallet. It's not his. Yeah. In the wallet is Bired Smith's driver's license, social security card, and two watches. One of them is missing a watch band pin that matches the pin they found on the floor. He didn't have a better puzzle piece of evidence to give them. What did they think was going to happen? That's what I mean. This is the least thought through fucking murder of all time. $25 in cash. He had also that's we got out of them some frozen food. Yeah. Watch probably $15, $20. They just spent a blue moon. Then that yeah, who knows? So they said, well, how do you why do you have this shit if you weren't there? And he said, well, William Flamer gave me the wallet. He just said, here's a wallet. You'd carry that for me. And I said, sure, and put it in my pocket. Okay. So they go, okay, you're under arrest for murder too. By the way, not murder to murder also. Also, in addition to him, you got this dude's wallet. You're under arrest. So about 6 p.m., William Flamer, and tells the deputies that, listen, guys, I'm, I'm be honest with you. I'm going to be straight up with you now. I'm not a killer. Obviously, look at my record. I'm a forger, whatever. I'm a nice guy. But let me tell you, my friend in there, his name ain't Ray Anderson. His name is Andre deputies and he's wanted for murder. It's a bad man of it. He's a bad man. And I'm a little scared of him at this point. Maybe you guys are being real casual with the murder. Yep. So then they go in and they go, hi, Andre deputies and he goes, fuck shit. Now I'm extra screwed. So no, I just said Ray. Oh shit. The ray of Andre. Damn it. Yeah. I got that part, right? So then the cops give them dinner because they're going to have a long night. They stay the night. Now the reason they stay the night, they're supposed to drive them to Dover, but it is a huge snowstorm. And they're not going to drive to Dover an hour and a half as we said in the snow. So they give the opportunity for this car to crash. And now I'm in the woods with a fucking murderer. Now we got a 48 hour situation where Eddie Murphy's scamper and off from a bus accident. So they hold the men overnight there. And they're going to take them in the morning, which is a very important thing. Normally they would have been sent to jail. That's it. End of story. They'll go to court. But Flamera is in a cell here. And deputy is in a different place. It's Flamera is in a cell at troop five. And deputy is at the bridgeville police department. By the way, deputy will claim later that while he was at the police department, he slept in a cold cell was threatened by police with a hollow point to his head. He said that's what they told him. And this is the greatest complaint of jail I've ever heard of my life. He was quote deprived of cigarettes and liquor. They didn't even bring women in here for me to fuck it was ridiculous. It's crazy. No cocaine. I couldn't jive it all in here. This is crazy. The weed for Christ. Come on, little something. I'm in jail. Where am I going? Whiskey cigarettes are pussy. This place sucks. This is terrible. Fucking place is lame. Man, you guys are boring. He really is the least jive in prison I've ever been in. Man, this sucks. I can't even jive in here. I have very little jiving room on top of everything. How am I supposed to jive in here, guys? I'm looking around. It's unjiveable. I can't do it. Deprived. It's amazing. Deprived. Yeah, that's that's jail. Now, late evening, Flamer has version two of his story. They can front him with the physical evidence. They say we pulled a blood-covered bayonet from your grown grandmother's kitchen. There's blood all over you. There's blood under your fingernails on your hands. It's come on. What are we talking about? I got news for you. My grandma's a psychotic bitch. She's crazy. They said you were there and he says, okay, fine. I was there. But, but and the but's the very important part. There's actually a third guy there and he did all the stabbing. Oh, he was a psycho. We could not control him. What's his name? Johnny Christopher. Now, if you're going to make up by they look, there's no such person as Johnny Christopher. If you're going to make up a name, don't start it with Johnny, which sounds immediately like you made it up. Well, he was going to say Christmas, but he caught it. No, yeah. Christopher. Johnny is a bad fucking man. Johnny Christopher. Yeah, crap. Shit. Something like that. So now he's either asleep at home and he came over and they're all dead or he invented a person now. So now there's two stories. So the next morning, the 8th of February, the snowlets up, Flamers taken to the justice of the peace court, six in Harrington for his appearance. Okay. He's informed of the charges, four counts of first degree murder, two intentional, two felony, and he's advised of his rights again. Yeah. He asked the magistrate if he can call his mother to ask about bail and about possibly being represented by Herman Brown senior, the family's lawyer. They say, yes, you can make the call and they appoint a public defender for him in the interim. Both men sign the form, Flamers requesting appointment of counsel and the magistrate appointment appointing it. So now he calls his mother, Mildred Smith, who's the sister of the woman he's charged with murdering, obviously, and tells her that the mom tells her Herman Brown senior retired. So he can't be her lawyer. So she meets him, comes down and meets him and then she leaves. And then corporal porter steps in. Okay. It's a local cop and he knows William Flamers. And porter, this is how he describes it later on. He said, quote, I asked him. I said, do you believe in God? Oh, And he said, "Yeah." And I said, "Then you've got to believe in heaven and hell." Right? And he said, "Yeah." I said, "By the way, if they ever ask you detectives down, they'll just disagree with everything they say." Skies blew right, go, I don't think so. Just do not ever say yes to them. It's a thing that they're doing. He said, "Well, then you're going to burn and hell unless you get straight with me about what happened today or what happened yesterday. I want you to tell me." He said, "I said, you have to clear your conscience of what's going on." And this is when he started weakening up a little bit. He had some tears in his eyes and he said, "Okay, I'll talk to you." And that's when I took him out of the cell. Oh. This is a very common strategy by cops. They start with God, then they go to, you know, you said you were raised by your grandmother. What would your grandmother think about this? You're going to disgrace your grandmother? You should tell the truth. You know, that's what your grandmother would want you to do. They start that, threats, guilt. There's all they can, psychologically, they're trying to tell. So they said, "You used your little knife to stab Byard. "Who had the big knife?" Does he know there's a big knife and a little knife? And he said, Andre. He said, "And he used it to stab who?" And he said, "He killed my aunt Alberta "and then he was killing Byard." That's what he said. Uh-huh. Okay. Now, February 8th, on the other place, Andre Deputy is there and he agrees to a polygraph. Oh. He takes the test. They say, "You failed miserably." Probably. Not good. Yeah. So then he says, "Okay, I'll talk." He said, "I went with William to the Smiths house "to get money in an argument broke out." So he said that William started stabbing Byard Smith at a nowhere, just started hacking at him. And Alberta Smith begged Deputy to stop the attack, begged him and he said, "I just left." I don't know what happened after I left. He goes, "There was a stab going on this lady saying, "I'm going to stop him." And I was like, "It was too much for me." I got to go, I got to get driving. I got to go now. Why do both of these guys not want to just tell it? Either deny it or tell it. That's the thing. But you're so fucked. Yeah. The truth sometimes says you free. But lies always put you in prison. Yeah. Well, or they can just, you can't do both. That's the thing. Right. Either pick one, either tell it through their lie. Pick one or say nothing. Just tell them, if you keep lying, it looks like you did the murdering. If you tell what you did, well, if they tell what they did, they did the murdering, too. So I think they're fucked here. I think you're kind of, especially with all this evidence, if you come and covered in blood or holding the dead person's wallet with an idea. And either way, you're kind of fucked at that point. So the debt, Andre Deputy goes before the justice of the peace. He's committed to the Sussex Correctional Institution in default of bail. So he's supposed to be driven to a jail. Instead, Detective Chaffinch has him brought back to troop five. Instead, uniformed officers depart with Deputy, headed for the prison. And this guy directs them to turn around and bring him back. So officers are following a judge's order and taking them. And this detective says, no, no, no, no, no, no, bring him back to me. Why? Now, because Flamer, during his own confession, just told police that both men stabbed with two different knives. Now they've recovered the second knife, a pairing knife that Flamer threw off to the side of Route 13, where he was arrested. When he saw the cop come and he tossed the knife. A pairing knife. There's such bad knives for murder. Awful, awful. And because Deputy claimed he went to the Smith's House for money and was arrested carrying $25. This guy wanted a question. So he told Deputy, he says that he said, when I come back, we will sit down and get the whole truth and put it on a tape statement and he'll be taken to SCI. So that's what he says. By 9.50, he returns and talks to Deputy about, quote, getting the truth is what he says. At 9.50, Deputy gives the second tape statement. This time, he and William went there for money. The Smiths refused. William started stabbing Byard, Alberta begged Deputy to stop. And he says at that point, he took the knife from Flamer and stabbed Alberta while she begged them to stop. Oh boy. So an old sweet lady is begging you not to stab her husband and you go, I got to shut her up and start stabbing her. Okay. He said he kept Flamer, kept stabbing Byard with another knife. And he said, he, Deputy said he killed Alberta. At a fear she would report them to the police. There you go. I would think so. So it ends with you killed Alberta Smith. And he said, I guess so. I don't know. And they said, what do you mean you guess so? And he said, I don't know whether she was dead or not. She wasn't moving. Yeah. Where do you hear how many stab wounds? Oh, Jesus. They said, you're reasonably sure she was dead. And he said, probably she was dead. And he said, yeah. And they said, and there's no question about the truth. Everything you've told us is the truth. And he said, everything's the truth. Now the autopsy wounds from two different blades. Byard Smith has 79 stab wounds. 10 more than his age, you don't need to stab him 79 times. 19 are positively attributable to the bayonet. Eight are attributable to the pairing knife. And 52 could have come from either. There's so many stab wounds. It's hard to tell where one starts and one ends. Okay. Alberta Smith had 66 stab wounds. That's so old lady. 25 from the bayonet, two from the bearing, a pairing knife, and 39 indeterminate. All over the place. All over. The wounds are concentrated on the head, neck, throat, and chest, you know, all the important stuff. Horrifying. They had defensive wounds on their hands. I mean, these fucking poor people tried to fight back and tried to defend themselves. Poor people. They did nothing. So here we go. What they have is bayonet with human blood and fibers microscopically similar to Alberta Smith's clothing, television with the cut antenna matching the severed cable at the scene, frozen food wrapped identically to the Smiths with Bired Smith's own fingerprints on one of the bags, by the way, that they had, then what they had on them, blood on his hands, coat, shoes, and face, blood he had himself admitted came from the scene, blood under his fingernails, scratches on his check into neck and chest, consistent with people fighting on deputy, you got the wallet, the social security card, and the watch with the missing pin. Oh, by the way, you also have witnesses who saw the man at the abandoned car who was William Flamer. So it's ridiculous, the amount of, it's an embarrassment of riches here. Then they have two tape confessions from deputy, one full tape confession from, from Flamer plus a preliminary, all of his lies they sold at first, too, which is just crazy. So putting both of their stories together, here is what happened that day. Okay. That Tuesday, February 6th, yeah, unfortunately, you have to, Tuesday, February 6th, 150 stabbled on elderly people, James, this is so fucked up, just kindly senior citizens. So fucked up. Just eating frozen fucking stuff, to retire to eat, fucking to eat that little tiny peach cobbler. It's two bites frozen meatballs, fuck. So this was in the middle of one of the nastiest winters, there's snow everywhere. This is Tuesday, February 6th, Flamer said the 6th was, quote, a day of drinking. Deputy said he woke up at nine, headed down to town in search of liquor by noon. He had consumed three fifths, three fifths of tiger rose. What the fuck is that? Cheap whiskey. I guarantee you. Cheap, that makes Thunderbird look good. Like that is tiger rose. Tiger rose. Tiger rose. I've never heard of that. It feels like it's the name of a liver disease. Really? You've got tiger rose. What do you mean? And it's a euphemism for cirrhosis, we call it tiger rose. Tiger rose. So deputy said he drank for a while with Flamer's father, then passed out about seven p.m. When Flamer came home, we had about 11.30 p.m., then deputy woke up and started drinking again with him. He and deputy drank throughout the whole next day there, and by the late evening, or they drank that whole night and by late by the end of the night, they need money. And food. Yeah. So they armed themselves before walking to the Smith's house, was they figured that'll be a place that they have money in there. That's literally what they went for was tiger rose money. Tiger rose, yeah. They took a bayonet, a smaller knife in the medical examiner called it a kitchen pairing knife, and they took a shotgun as well. They went outside, decided the shotgun would be too loud, so they buried it in the snow outside the door before they went in. So no one would see it. Flamer had the pairing knife, deputy had the bayonet concealed under his coat. Now, what they did to get in the house, they knocked on the door. It's about midnight, and they say grandma just had a stroke and we can't find her. That's how they got in. She had a stroke and wandered off into the neighborhood. We need help finding her. Oh my God. She's out there slurring somewhere. And it's snowing. So they're like, oh my God. It's at her nephew. He lives up the streets and they're like, yeah, yeah, come in, come in. And that's the problem. They stood inside the house, talking for 10 or 15 minutes. Then Flamer said deputy gave a signal and then Flamer started stabbing his uncle on the signal. He said after he started stabbing, biored, Andre deputy began stabbing Alberta with the bayonet. And at some point, deputy turned the bayonet on, biored as well. By deputy's confession, basically that's exactly what he said to. He said he started stabbing Flamer, Flamer started stabbing his uncle, Alberta said make this stop and then he started stabbing Alberta. So that's, they both said that. That seems to be what happened. They turned out buyers pockets. They opened the purse. They found four wallets. They cut the, you know, they got the, the, the, the TV. They got a fan, frozen food. And that's why it's dropped and scattered as they left because they were just holding frozen food and it was falling out of their arms and shit. They loaded it into the Smith's car and drove to Flamers House where they stashed the TV, the fan, the food, and burned three of the four wallets. Deputy kept the fourth in his pocket with the driver's license and all that. The real incriminating one. Then he got back in his uncle's car, drove off to in the snow, went to the outskirts of Felton and then got so drunk. He felt, he was so drunk he fell asleep in the car at that point. Fell asleep in the car after all this drove that. He woke up in the battery was dead. So he abandoned the car and just walked off carrying a suitcase. He went to the blue moon tavern, went back up with deputy and spent the late morning and afternoon shooting pool and drinking. And then he was run into on the street. That's what happened. Whatever is in Tiger Rose should be illegal. Badge. That's probably why I've never heard of Tiger Rose and they pulled it off the market at this point. They're like, we can't stand that out there. At least change the name. This is terrible. It makes you crazy. Wow. You've never heard of somebody smoking weed and doing this to people. No, never. No, no, no. This story doesn't exist. They might, it might, but it's not for weed money. I don't think this would be high and also a murder. Like they might be a, you could get Ted Bundy stoned and he'd still probably kill somebody. Actually, he wouldn't that night probably. He'd be like, I don't feel like it. I'm right. This is good. I wouldn't see what's going to get hungry. You're going to your uncle's house for all that frozen food, but the opportunity to say, have somebody you're not doing it. No, you're like, oh, then I got to, I got to run away. I got to hide. I got to fuck that. So much work. It's just too much work. I'll just make you not chose to make a second plane. How about that? Is that better? Is that easier? Can you drive with that? Is that fine? Drive with me. Can you drive with these not shows? Tiger Rose should be illegal. For sure. For sure. 1980 is the Flamer trial. He, they separate trials. He goes on four counts of first degree murder. Like we said, to intentional to felony plus possession of a deadly weapon during a felony and first degree robbery. And also misdemeanor theft as well. His public defender, Dennis Reardon, his strategy was William didn't do it. Any, any participation he had was because he was scared of Andre deputies out of giant bayonet. That's it. That's a bad defense. I don't give a fuck. Not a good defense. Without him, this doesn't happen. Yeah. It's not his aunt and uncle. Right. This is your idea. So the prosecution said, look at all this evidence we have. We found him covered in blood and all of the shit was in his house. He's got it. Also, we have a confession tape as well. Yeah. Hey, let's walk through. Here's maps to visuals of the bodies in an autopsy way. Let's walk through 145 stab wounds right now. How's that? No one's going to care what this guy forced you or not? You did that because you're scared. Yeah. So in the defense, Flamer takes the stand. And he comes up with a different version of what happened on the stand. Yeah. He said, deputies woke him up on the night of the murder and brought him to the Smith house to help steal frozen food. He has deputies where the Smiths were. And deputies answer was never mind about that. Then he saw the bodies. Now this is after they've heard his taped confession. His story is it already happened. Yeah. So during closings, this is the craziest should ever. The defense attorney waves closing argument. I'm good. Really? Yeah. Now, what's that strategy about? It is a strategy. And later on in an appeal, it's going to come up. And it's a legitimate strategy because he said the Kent County prosecutors in that era were known to basically do a short, soft opening summation, then let the defense in to try to do their big thing. And then then they come in with their massive rebuttal, which is the thing they were going to say to begin with. So they're real. Yeah. Yeah. They're going to go up there for three hours of some crazy thing. That's what they would do. Courts called the practice sandbagging. And it's actually documented in the case of Billy Bailey who we talked about. The last man hanged in the United States there. So one of Flamers own prosecutors said that he'd been prepared for two to three hours of rebuttal. Okay. So they said, no, no, no closing. Oh. So the verdict comes in obviously guilty. Very. Very guilty. Sentencing comes in. Okay. Mitigating hearing. They call three witnesses. Flamers himself who narrated his life through I'm a drunk and I'm a daughter. I have a three-year-old daughter and odd jobs. And I've always been a mess. And just my life has always been shit. His mother, Mildred, who described him as a good student who quit in the 11th grade and changed when he drank. And his grandmother, Florence, who said that quote, he was a good boy to me. He was a good boy. Okay. The prosecution calls nobody. They just bring in Flamers to forgery convictions, which weren't allowed in during the trial. But now, in sentencing, they're allowed. And also called, called both of them quote, real scumboms. Scumboms. Yeah, yeah. Real scumbags in it. I think it is. It's a scumbag. That's not you're not properly driving is what that means. So the defense glow that closing said, ladies and gentlemen, although we're here today talking about murder, I'm simply going to ask you to show mercy. Do not kill William Henry Flamers simply because the law in the state of Delaware says you can. There is a far, far greater law than anything conceived by this state and punished by this state, which tells you thou shall not kill. Thank you. Because death penalty is on the table here. Yeah. So he's saying if you give him life without, that's a win for me. That's great. That's what it's all he's asking for. It's already convicted. So that now that they also, the prosecution says the robbery, there's a robbery commission. That's one of the, you know, they took a fame. And the outrageously or wantonly vile, horrible or inhumane act, which it absolutely is. The prosecution said, yeah, thou shall not kill, pertain to William too. He had free choice. And then they said, quote, please be fair. Okay, comes back. You, sir may fuck off death by hanging. That's not good. We're gonna do this specifically. Help him with this fucking fall. Well, me with my fucking fall. Deadwood reference for everyone out there. Now Andre deputy during his trial, pretty much they have the same evidence. Everything is out the same. They said, you know, they'd get the deputy in there and they try to get him about the, the, you know, do you believe in God and all that kind of shit? And again, the deputy is the one they said you brought him back from the jail, basically, where you weren't supposed to and all that. But comes in guilty anyway. Yeah. Now in sentencing during mitigating, three ministers and a Bible study instructor testified it was conduct in jail. And deputy took the stand himself expressing reverence and describing the changes in his lifestyle. Also, the ministers played a tape for the jury of deputy singing in the prison chapel saying, you can't kill him. He sings like an angel. Literally. He is raped before. He sings like an angel, Jimmy. You haven't heard him jive. That's the problem. Okay. He's wanted for murder outside of this. Yeah. That's the thing. So and that's the other thing they bring up in the aggravators. They say, not only was it all horrible, he's got priors for sexual assault. Fuck. He killed a guy. He's a, he's a bad guy. He's getting worse. So the jury returns you, sir. They fuck off four times death penalty. Oh, times four. Now that's actually good though, because later on as we'll see here, two of those will get struck down, but then they'll be too left. So you collect as many as you can. He's going to throw him away like it's go fish or something. I'm going to keep those threes. You never know. So Flamers direct appeal very quickly here. They affirm his convictions. Among the issues, Delaware statutory aggravator that a murder be outrageously or wantly, vile, horrible or inhumane, they say the language is so vague that you can't really pin that on anything. They went, we get what it is. And it's what he did. Bye. Fuck off. Deputy appeals. And that's the, they appeal the Delaware Supreme Court throws out the second tape confession, the one with the, I guess so in it. Okay. And they said holding that the magistrate committed him and his sixth amendment right to counsel had attached nine hours in a holding cell in defiance of a court order engineered by a detective is not okay. Okay. I judge said take him here and you disobeyed him and took him somewhere else right there. That's thrown out. But the first one's there. Both intentional murder convictions are reversed by the felony ones stick with two death penalties attached to him. That's why you give four. They ruled error an error harmless to the felony murder. Now, flame retries to get more. They say his confession should have been suppressed. Saying that he was, they said no, he was Miranda's and he kept talking and requested to inquire about possible representation with his mother, but that's not an unambiguous demand for counsel. Right. And we've got over this. Unless you say lawyer right now, stop talking to me. It's not a request for a lawyer. So how will they die if they're killed? Well, they have the gallows for hanging. They were built in 1986 by the Delaware Department of Corrections on the pros and grounds. Oh, yeah. Yeah. These are departments of corrections paid for it is what that means. They put a bunch of prison guards out there with hammers and nails. Build us a gallows, boys. All right. Yeah. The prisoners building up. That would be even worse. It's a two story wooden structure with a 15 foot platform, trap door, roof and stairs. They built this for Billy Bailey, essentially. Really? Yeah. There's some weird shit about that too. The gallows required renovation and strengthening before the 1996 execution date of Billy Bailey. Because the last previous hanging was in 1946. Oh, boy. Yeah. Oh, that's some rotten wood. That's not going to work. Yeah, you're put a deck on your house and leave it there for 50 years and see how it looks after a while. See if he'll even walk out on it. Yeah. See if it doesn't collapse under you. So Flamer, while he's in prison, he's on death row, but as a job, which is weird. They said that there's only three death row inmates allowed to work in the whole state. Billy Bailey, Reginald Sanders and William Henry Flamer. Bailey is a barber and Flamer works in the laundry room there. And yeah, they said they said it's one step below maximum security, but not as much freedom as the general population and medium or minimum security. So they're the trustees of death row, essentially. Now Flamer said, when he went to prison and death row at first, I felt hate. A man can't die but once, but a man without funds doesn't stand a chance. So that's what he's saying about going to prison to begin with. He didn't have money for a real lawyer. So if you don't have money, you're fucked. He said, if you've never been faced with death, you cannot understand the fears and anxieties that come down on a person. But to meet your maker can bring on suicide, hatred, violence or rage or a man can reach inside himself for some hidden talent or reach for God. For the first year and a half, I worried. He said his weight dropped from 181 to 129 pounds and he developed an ulcer. And so he said that wasn't great as well. It didn't like that. But he's been, you know, it's been difficult times obviously in prison, which is real. Flamer said that baseball has been his main diversion. He said, quote, I hit 179 homeruns over the fence in one season, what the dimensions of this field are. He said, but in March of 1980, he said he found God and he said, since then, he's declared his quote, Morish American nationality that has let him achieve a higher plane mentally and physically and is up dedicated to uplifting fallen humanity. Great. Terrific. That's great. Yeah. I have love in my heart. I am at peace. I tell the truth. I shall be free and justice will take its own course. Terrific. Great. Deputy's never seen without his Bible. He carries one in black leather with his name engraved in gold letters, a present from a minister. He says, this is the first time in my life nothing else matters. He said, and one of the guards said, Andre is one of the happiest guys in here. He always does a smile on his face. Okay. Good. Yeah. He said that he feels like he's going to be executed. Prison guards say they're usually skeptical when it comes to jailhouse religion, but they say they believe flame or in deputy, actually, they seem to be genuine. Yeah. Deputy dreamed of being a professional singer when he was younger, but now he sings in the gospel choir in jail. He's composed a couple of gospel songs, including quote, Jesus is the best thing that ever happened to me, which is a bit worthy for a title. That's, yeah. It's something. Can't fit that in the old jukebox slot there back in the day. So, yeah, he does all of this. He said that, you know, every, all of his family are still alcoholics. His brother, John, is quote, still a drunken Wilmington, but his brother, Ronald, is living in New York and joined alcoholics anonymous. Great. Terrific. So, he said, I used to get in trouble about five times a month, cursing the guards just nonsense. I got tired of it. So I had this 12 hour lockdown, and I was smoking two packs a day. I said, God, if you're real, come into my life and make me quit smoking. You're asking a lot. There's some things you have to do on your own. Make me. Well, the thing about that is that that's chemical, babe. Yeah. Well, he said, you see, I had to test this a little. And he said, when he came out of lockup, he had no desire for cigarettes or booze and hasn't wanted them ever since. Well, that's what he said. He said, God replaced alcohol. He said, alcohol was something to fill the void of my mother's loss. Now I know that void was a lack of God. He's also got his GED and participated in scared, straight programs. So he's telling kids, I want your shoes, motherfucker. That's him. He's doing that. Oh my God. I mean, that's, that's the bad guy that you want, yelling at kids. I'm a fucker face. That's the guy. Yeah. Yeah. Give me a toothpaste. You can laugh. He cooks, too, in the prison. He said, I like my own cooking. He said, if I had things to do over, I'd be a rebel or a minister. He said, I just, he said, I was pushed too hard and that's why I rebelled. My father was too religious. Oh. If he was somewhere in the middle, then everything would have been fine, I guess. Now, 93, Andre is nearing execution. Yeah. He's a born again. Christian, Christian, a prison chaplain and stands to the board of pardons. And, yeah, a prison chaplain called him a role model, no, he was, he's not a prison chaplain, a prison chaplain called him a role model who put his faith in God and the board said, no, I don't care. Don't think so. You put your knife in two old people. Fuck off. So he sent a letter to the editor of a newspaper. My name is Andre Deputy and unless God intervenes, I'm scheduled to be executed on June 23rd at midnight. Or what has been said I did not commit the murders of the Smiths, okay? I'm very, very sorry for their family and I wish I had tried to stop it instead of running out of fear. There was no blood found on me or fingerprints on their stolen property. I'm trusting my Lord and savior to save me so I can serve him in the prison and lead others to him. The scripture I'm believing in is some horseshit. I will not die, but I will live and declare the works of the Lord. Please pray for me. I'm believing in God, but at times it gets rough. Thank you to all the people who have supported and written to me. Now he's denying it. He's an innocent man. Now he's an innocent man. He didn't do it at all. So June 23rd, 1994 is execution day for Andre. Relatives in clergy and his attorneys visit him. Last meal, everybody. They're going to do it. What do you do? Fried shrimp and flounder with French fries, rolls and a coconut custard pie. I hope every one of them was a frozen one. Oh, yeah. All Vandy camps. That sounds great except for the custard pie because I'm allergic to coconuts. That would never go. Everything from the frozen island Costco. That's it. No last words, by the way. He's done. Did they hang in there? Did they, uh, lethal injection after I guess they had a, you could do a choice by 86. Delaware switched its execution method to lethal injection in 86, but if you were sentenced before 86, you can have a choice of lethal injection or hang. All right. All right. Absolutely. William, uh, chose lethal injection. He did. William Flamer chose lethal injection, too. Um, now they're trying to get him out. William Flamer get the death penalty, um, taken away. And instead, it's not quite working, um, if he goes to the pardon board here and, um, says I'm an alcoholic 11th grade dropout, I'm a loser, um, he said, you know, I found God and now I've changed my life and I've gotten a GED and I completed college and I'm a certified dietician. I've worked in the prison kitchen and they go, well, that's good. Uh, anyway, denied and shoot him off of there. Now January 30th, 1996 is his execution day. I don't know his last meal. I can't find anywhere horrible. It's four days after Billy belly, Billy belly with the hanging got all the attention and then everybody just kind of left. And then four days later, they just kind of lose a day's to that pain, yeah, they had to go back to wherever they are from. Um, so he is 41 strap down and and lethally injected and that's that. By the way, 2003, uh, they dismantled the gallows. Oh, they're ticklish, huh? There's nobody that was eligible for them. There was nobody else eligible to choose it anymore. So it was just a thing. So there you go, that is Harrington, Delaware, and quite the fucking case of, um, not, not driving very well. No, that's bad. This is what happens when you drink tiger rose. It'll make you roar, babe. It'll make you fucking. We don't know if the other guy was drinking, but that's why it looked like the same thing. I'm very sad. Look at a lion attack them more like a tiger. A man attack them. A tiger rose. A couple of times. A couple of times. That should be the commercial. You take a sip and then you turn into a tiger. It'll make you roar. Well, they're saying I'd commercials where you turned into something. Didn't snoop turn into some shit and a saying I'd commercial in the 90s. What was he? Was it kind of similar to that thing that he turned into and murder with the game? in the video. Yeah, I think so. I'm like that. So that should be Tiger Rose. They should have did that first. It would have been good for them. So anyway, there you go. There is Harrington, Delaware. If you like that show, get on whatever app you're on. Give us five stars. It helps so much. It helps drive the show up the charts. If you're watching on Netflix, thumbs up, please. It helps a ton. So thank you for everyone for doing that. Shut up and give me murder.com is where you get the tickets and everything else for live shows. Come and see us September 18th at the PAPS in Milwaukee. September 19th at the state theater in Minneapolis. Right. Get those tickets right now. 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