Building the Beast: Trinidad Chambliss is climbing the boards

Welcome to a new episode of Building the Beast brought to you by the US bank smartly Visa's signature card. I am Dave Hellman and today, Dan Brugler and I had a lot to chew on coming out of Ole Miss LSU stuff phenomenal performance by Trinidad Chambles. We went deep on him as a prospect, a lot to talk about there, talked about Lenora Sellers weekend, and looked forward to a huge week for in college football. A lot of big games on deck. Let's get right to it. All right, Dan. He said with a very heavy sigh, let's get into it. At least you must have lost. There was a college football game of some significance played in Oxford Mississippi on Saturday night, and the University of Mississippi employed the best player on the field, and one of the very best players in college football. I'm still processing what exactly we saw from Trinidad Chambles in that 32-24 win against LSU. Just an incredible performance, a performance that leaves you with so many questions about what his NFL future might look like, because like, if you watch that game, and we'll get into everything that he did, but if you watch that game, his performances in the clutch on the money downs at the end of the game when things broke down around him is very hard not to get excited about what a playmaker he is, but as we have discussed many times, he is a very unique prospect from an NFL perspective. And so as much as it pains me to relive a very, very tough loss for my Tigers, I am really excited to talk to you in detail about Trinidad Chambles and his first really big moment from 2026. I'm so impressed by athletes who can in an environment that is filled with so much emotion and so much just, it's so much more than just the game with what was going on with LSU and Ole Miss and Elaine Kiffin of it all. I'm just so impressed by athletes that can go into an environment like that and still play at their peak. They're not going to let the pressure overwhelm them, so they're pressing, they're not going to let one mistake cause a couple more mistakes and crumble and Trinidad Chambles was up for the task. He wasn't perfect by any means, especially there are a few moments in the second half where Ole Miss really could have put a dent in that score, but credit to LSU's offense, Sam Levitt made some plays. But at the end of the day, Chambles made just more than LSU. And there's so much to like about his game. Love is release. He's so compact and twitchy. The ball just shoots off his hand. It's funny, part of my process is talking to a lot of background people, right? Coaches, parents, friends, whatever. Anyone who will chat with me and tell me information and add context to who a player is. And I was talking to a former coach of his from high school who told me without blinking an eye, 100%, Trinidad Chambles could have started in college playing shortstop if he stuck with baseball at point guard, if he pursued basketball. And you see that when he plays quarterback, that factors into the way he plays. His style, just the way he moves. And the basketball background is interesting because that was his go-to sport most of his life. And even there was a time when he was riding the bench at Ferris State where he thought about, what are my transfer options? I can go play D2 basketball, D3 basketball, and just finish my degree. But at least I'll be doing something. So yeah, there's so many ways to talk about Trinidad Chambles, but the whole NFL part of this is just really fascinating. Well, let's go through some of the moments from the game before we have the prospect like evaluation conversation. Because I think you're right. So much of what I like about him is hard to articulate because so much of what I like about him is that resiliency and that clutch factor that you talked about where no matter what happened before and no matter how things have been going, it just seems like he delivers. He was eight of eight and through two of his touchdowns on third down in this game. And as you mentioned, one of his one of his biggest miscues was the interception in the, I think it was the third quarter. It was definitely the second half. I would argue he did get hit on that play. So not even like a terrible mistake, just a really nice play by Ty Benafield who we can talk about in a second, but even after that after the third quarter kind of goes sideways and Ole Miss or excuse me, LSU clawed back into this game. Seven of nine for 62 yards on the go ahead drive that put Ole Miss up by eight points. And he not a great night rushing the ball. This is a very athletic LSU defense, but he out ran an NFL defender in Ty Benafield on that touchdown from 14 yards out to put them ahead. Just a fantastic degree of athleticism. And like I said, just there's a clutch factor that you can't let go of. And if you watch him play and you say, oh, is he going to be that escapeable in the NFL? Can you throw that ball drifting back in the pocket off your back foot the way he did in this game in the NFL? I think that's all very fair. But the arm is more than good enough and the athleticism is solid. And the way that stuff just shows up in those moments, I just I don't think I can discount it even if it is a hard thing to quantify. He's so decisive as a passer. And that's what I really appreciate about his game. The way in whether it's from the pocket or he's on the move and buying time and maybe a little bit outside of structure, but it doesn't matter. He's when he sees it or anticipates it, he can rip it. And he has the arm where it gets there before the defender can react. And I think that's you know, we talk about brace young. I think that's up. If we're going to make comparisons, that's one that comes up that you see. He's got a much stronger arm than Bryce does. And I think he maybe Bryce has the edge a little bit on processing, because that's what made Bryce a number on overall pick. But it's not there's not a gap. Like I think the way that Chambles plays, he reads it pre snap. And then once it becomes open or about to come open, he rips that thing and it gets there in a hurry. So I think that there's obviously there's some red flags to his evaluation. But when you really focus on, if you're going to make a list of what's important at the quarterback position, there's a lot more hits than misses. And the misses are not at the top of the priority list of what you look for in a quarterback. And so I think that's all important context when we start to spin this forward to his NFL evaluation. To your point, two of my favorite plays from this game were from the pocket. Because I think the the scrambling touchdown pass where he just darted toward the line and and jumped and just ripped it in on the seam ball for the touchdown. It's a fantastic play. But if you're dubious of it because of the, you know, creating something out of nothing, nature of it and does that translate, I get it. Same thing with the hilariously fun pitch that he had on that scramble where like half the LSU defense was in pursuit. It was actually not fun in the moment. It was about as mad as I've ever been in my life when he pulled that off that little sweet little teardrop pitch to the tight end after lane's face when that happened. It's like, oh, that's that's Dave in the moment. That's how you know you're playing against a really great player. Like when stuff like that happens and you just feel helpless and you know it's going to happen again. But anyway, my two favorite throws early in the game, third and nine, the 13 yard out to trail and ray right from the pocket. Far hat. He's from on the far hash. And it's, I mean, it's just a simple 10 yard out. But it's a 13 yard pass that travels further in the air. And he identifies it immediately, fits it between two defenders from the far hash. And that was the first drive. And I was like, that was, or maybe it was the second, it was the second drive. But I was like, that's an NFL throw. It's not like super crazy from a highlight perspective, but fantastic arm strength. And similarly, his first touchdown pass, third and 12 from right outside the red zone. He sees his receiver cut on like a little post slant route, whatever you want to call it. And he's firing it while the guy is coming out of his break. He's not even looking for the ball yet. And he just beat the safety to the catchpoint. And was decisive enough that the safety actually collided with the cornerback in coverage and picked him so that the guy had a run after catch opportunity for a touchdown. I was like this anticipation and arm strength. This shit is real. Even if some of the playmaking stuff, maybe you want to see more of it or maybe you don't know how it's going to translate. There's a lot of stuff here that definitely does. Like you mentioned with just with the arm strength and the decisiveness with which, which he makes these, these throws. No, there's no doubt about it. I mean, I think that it's the highs that he's played with when you go back to last year against Georgia and the playoff, what he did in the second half against Louisville and the opener, what he did against LSU. To be in that type of amped up environment, but still play within himself to go make these decisive throws, go make plays, use his legs when he needed to. He doesn't rely on his legs like other quarterbacks do, but he was not afraid to use them when he needs to. So yeah, I've had so many conversations the last few days about, okay, what's this mean for his NFL evaluation and how do we put it into context? And I think if you only draft quarterbacks on based on precedent, you're not going to like Chambers, right? I think that the size, the age, that alone, it makes them an extreme outlier. And it's that I think the fact that there's not like a true apples to apples comp modern day. I think that scares people. You know, we haven't seen anybody like this before, so they can't possibly work, right? But I think you look around the best quarterbacks in the league. Most of those guys weren't drafted based on precedent and there were no good Texas tech quarterbacks in the NFL until the chiefs made my homes a top 10 pick. Josh Allen, he hit 56% completions and 21 total touchdowns passing and rushing 21 total touchdowns in 11 games his final year at Wyoming, guys like that with those types of numbers, they don't become legit NFL quarterbacks until Allen. I mean, no one thought that presscott could do what he's doing. Nobody, Fernando Mendoza coming out of collar or coming out of high school. You son of a. You're trying to talk me into this. You're trying to, you're trying to convince me. Every NFL teen passed on Brock Pertie, five, six, seven times in that draft class. So I'm just saying that you look around the NFL. If you're looking for conventional, why these guys aren't conventional. And so I think I've heard that, oh, if he was really that good all those years in Division two, you know, why he wouldn't have sat as much as he did. He wouldn't have been on the bench. And I mean, Josh Allen couldn't beg himself into a scholarship at a high school, goes to one year of Juco, still couldn't beg himself into a scholarship until Wyoming finally decided to give him a shot, only scholarship that he got. So I think guys get overlooked all the time. And so the point I'm trying to make is you can draft quarterbacks based on chasing the cookie cutter skill set of what you think an NFL quarterback should be or you can draft the playmakers and guys that have NFL traits, I'm not saying draft guys that are deficient in what you want an NFL quarterback. But guys that have NFL traits, both physical and mental, maybe they're, they are deficient in one or two areas, but they understand how to compensate for that. And then, you know, maybe they're, their path took them on a winding journey and it doesn't really compare to anything else. That's what champles is. But again, you look around the NFL and there's a lot of that. So this isn't me pounding the table for why he should be the number one overall pick. I think that he's, he's not a perfect process. Perfect prospect and we have plenty of time to figure out what exactly is the right value of where to draft him, but I think this is me on my soapbox for why people need to have more of an open mind about what works in the NFL quarterback. There isn't much conventional about champles. But again, history tells us that drafting conventional, that shouldn't be the goal either. I think you just, you nailed the, the crux of this thing because actually I've been so focused on Bryce young as the jumping off point for champles, just because of the size. And you know, champles is officially listed at six foot. We'll see how real that is. If I had to guess it's not, I'm going to guess he comes in a little bit south of that again, five, 11 and seven eighths in the spring. So we'll see what it actually is, but five, 11 and seven eighths and 208, I believe, was a spring measurements, which is still bigger than Bryce because like Bryce has come by and wait was 205, but you know, he was eating a better sandwiches all week, leading up to that. Bryce is, I think he was five, 10, one maybe and he's playing weights probably like 195. So yeah, I mean, Trinidad is just under two inches taller and probably a good 10, 15 pounds bigger. You know what's funny, though, I've been so focused on Bryce, I hadn't taken a ton of time to think about party. And that is such a, that's such a phenomenal comp when you're talking about a guy who kind of looks like chambles, who was doing this at a high level in the NFL, Brock was listed at six flat and five eighths. So just a little hint under six one and two hundred and twelve pounds. But the difference that I can hear people bringing up right now is one went one overall and one went last. And what do you do with that? Because of course, Brock, Purdy, if you had known now what you know then, or Jesus, sorry, three, two, if you've known then what you know now, he's getting drafted way the hell higher than Mr. irrelevant, but taking a guy with these size limitations and he will be 25 at his rookie training camp. It's a little scary. I don't blame people if they don't want to do something Bryce Young-ish four years after Bryce Young. Now it's fair to say Bryce Young is off to a hell of a start in year four, but we'll see what his overall season looks like. So I'm stuck not knowing how to feel because my, my gut tells me Trinidad chambles is worth a first round draft pick. I think by the, where and how does he stack up to some of these other guys that are going to be available? I mean, I think the guy we saw play Saturday night, he will be starting games in the NFL next year. It's just a matter of, okay, how does he get there exactly? Is he going to be a top 15 pick? Is he going to be more of a top 40 pick? Like I said, we, we have time to like figure that part out, but it's, I do think it's worth addressing just some of the concerns because again, there's so many examples around the league, not of exactly what chambles is, but examples of other quote unquote outliers, maybe that are doing some really good things in the NFL right now to Tyler Schuck. Is it weird that he's closer and age to Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen than he is the Jackson dark? Yeah. That's weird. Like that, that, that shouldn't be right. But if Schuck continues to play at this rate, do you think the Saints care? No, of course not. I mean, this is a, you know, I will say if you're an older prospect, plus your raw, yeah, it's a bad combo that you, you really traditionally want to stay away from those types of guys. But there are benefits of having an older quarterback, right? I think you have a guy that's more mature, somebody that's ready to go out of the box, very little assembly required, you know, off the field, you're probably more of a mature human. So like there are plenty of positives to about being a little bit older. And I don't know, if you grade a player just on ability and talent as an NFL starter, I think it'd be pretty silly to pass on him because he's a little bit older and maybe he only has a 10 year career ahead of him instead of 14 year career, you know, like I think that, that's something that doesn't really make sense to me. Another thing I would bring up, I've heard people say a lot since Saturday, like of course he looks this good. He's 24. And I would just like to point out, I mean, he was on our radar quickly last year, like within a start or two, he was at Ferris State. He jumped from division two to the SEC without a whole hell of a lot of difficulty. And I mean, yeah, like time on task definitely helps with that. And he was very successful at Ferris State. But those are vastly different levels of football that he navigated and made it look easy. So he is an older prospect. There's no way around it. It's not great that he'll be 25 at his rookie training camp, but I'm a little less worried about that than some people, I think. But it's not like he was starting all those years at Ferris State either. He started one year, division two. So yeah, he is a little bit older, but it's not like he has the benefit of this is, he didn't play 80 games in division two before jumping to the SEC. He literally started 15 games and led his team to a national championship in 2024 and then he made the jump to in 2025 to Ole Miss and, you know, the rest is history, the way everything played out. But I do think that the offense that he's coming from, I think traditionally, it's an offense, you know, last year with Lane and Charlie was junior this year, still a lot of the same concepts with what they're doing. It's an offense known for being maybe a little simplistic and making things easy on the quarterback. But that's why if you're training that jambless in his people, you are crossing your fingers that Jackson Dart gets back healthy because the way that Jackson Dart has been playing gives, will give teams confidence that, hey, like dark, that was a big knock on Dart was he's going from that offense to the NFL like, oh, it's going to take time. It's good, who knows how he's going to adapt and just a bigger playbook. So many more options like there's a lot of concerns there. The way that Dart was able to find success and be productive as a rookie and, you know, was week one, same thing against the Cowboys, okay, that gives you confidence that jambless can do the same thing. I think how I feel about it in late September and there's so much season left to go so we don't have to get ahead of ourselves, but I think I'm going to wind up liking at least one other prospect more than Trinidad Chambles as far as quarterbacks go, but I think I think he's going to get drafted very high and I think he deserves to get drafted very high for all the reasons we just laid out. And I think at the end of the day, somebody's going to be willing to make peace with these red flags. And when I say very high, I think I'd be willing to say first round right now. I don't want to take it a whole lot higher than that, but at the end of the day, I think that absolutely feels likely to happen. Yeah, he started at 35 overall in my top 50. So if he continues to play at this level, like you did against LSU, like that's just only going up for me. I mean, there's a reason that I don't do an updated top 50 until after Halloween. I want to, you know, September can lie to us, right? I mean, that there's a lot that happens in these early games that we don't know for sure what's real, what's not. And so, you know, let's get a little bit more body of work about what we're working with here. And so, yeah, I don't, I would agree with you like, yeah, first round is very possible for him. How high I'd be willing to take him. I don't know right now, but I think that, like I said, he's going to start NFL games next year. And he's somebody that is ready to go. I don't think there's going to be a huge gap for him in terms of adjusting to the NFL game. The irony is that early season tie Simpson lied to us. And we still wound up being right in the long run, because you never know. You never know how these teams are going to feel. Okay. I know. I knew we were going to go long on Trinidad. That's totally fine. Is there anything else you want to hit from this game? I think we need, we need to talk about the Ole Miss DT, I think. Yeah. I mean, the first words out of your mouth for this pod was, you know, one of the most, one of the best players in college football. And I would argue two of the best players in college football were on the field Saturday night. It's sad, but true. I mean, the way Will Eccles played, it just dominant. And like, I know you can tell me, uh, or you'll have more information than I do, but I don't think that left guard's going to be an NFL player. No, he's not. He's, hey, he's not, but he's, he's on the field for LSU. So, I mean, what do you want me to say? I mean, and even when Will Eccles went up against Seaton, the left tackle, he found success. And so, um, he didn't just find success. And I would say, Jordan, Seaton, I think had a pretty nice night overall. I think PFF charted him at two pressures allowed, but Will Eccles hit him with a swim move that is going to go viral during the draft process. Like, people are already sharing it. And it's going to, it's going to dog him during this whole draft process. Like, well, Will Eccles made you look like a goofy, which he did, but yeah, it was, it was one snap, but it was a very impressive snap. His hands are just like sticks a dynamite, man. They, he can drive you from your spot. He can rip and swim past you. Um, I just has a really good feel for what the offense is trying to do and what he needs, needs to do to combat it. And so, I love that he's equally dominant versus a run in the past. Um, you know, he's somebody that shows up in the run game. And it's not just beating his man and winning the backfield. It's, uh, you know, taking care of his gap and, you know, being able to take on a double and, uh, you know, free up somebody else. I mean, he does so many things that, uh, is really impressive. Um, so yeah, Will Eccles, he started the year 13th on my top 50. And I mean, I, I think he absolutely lived up to it in this game. I already mentioned Ty Benafield, but I just think he's, he's a player that people are going to love getting to know as they dive into the draft process, safety for LSU, transfer door over from Boise State. We've talked about him before two pressures in this game. They sent him on a blitz twice. Yeah. He got home once on a big third down for a sack. And he got the QB hit that led to LSU's interception had a, at a nice play in coverage where which led to an incompletion. And, uh, just, I mean, he's just, he is a fast, confident, explosive safety. He's very, very fun in the early going of the season. Uh, you mentioned Cam Franklin, the other Ole Miss D lineman as well. Yeah. For, uh, Franklin, he, he, he had the, the tip that led to the interception that ended the game, basically, but he was involved all night. I mean, he was lining up inside, outside. You see the power in his hands. I think they finna, or he, uh, was credited with six pressures. So just, just a guy that, um, keeps coming. Uh, yeah, he will try to go through you, but he can also win in gaps. Uh, so yeah, Franklin, Eccles, um, you know, Perkins, the linebacker. You saw his pursuit speed. Uh, not quite sure what to do with Perkins as a prospect, just because he's, he looks like he's 215 pounds, um, but his best reps on film are when he's getting after the quarterback. So, I'm not like you're talking about a Perkins that used to play for LSU. That's a good point. Yeah. So, but I don't, yeah, I don't know what to do with him. Can you prove to me you're a true off-ball linebacker? I don't know, but yeah, that pursuit speeds. Awesome. Um, so Perkins is one of those guys, um, yeah, and I'm glad you mentioned Benefield because I, this is the type of game where you want to see, all right, show me that you're a first round pick. Um, I don't, and I don't know that he definitively did that, but he, I thought he had a good game at the biggest issue from Boise State tape over the summer. All the mistakels. Uh, he did have a few mistakels in this game. There was one at the goal line where Kwan Lacey just powered right through him. Um, okay, I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, it's a mistackle, but also three other guys were in on that, and Kwan Lacey just told him all to eat shit. I mean, credit to 205 pound Kwan Lacey, because yeah, he, he wanted it, uh, for sure. Kwan Lacey, it sucks. I mean, it was like, as an LSU fan, not that I wish injury on anybody, but when he went out, I was like, wow, they might actually have a chance, because this guy is insane. He, what nine carries for 43 yards. He had, he had one play on like a inside zone that he broke outside and he got to the sideline for 22 yards and his stride, like when he had a chance to open up, I, I thought it was unbelievable, like the ground that he can cover. And then yeah, he, he straight up got put, like he ran into three different guys at the goal line and just bold over all of them. And Ty Benafield was one of them, but he was not alone. No, he wasn't. Well, speaking of injuries, Trada's green. Uh, I mean, the, the game might have been had a different outcome if not for his injury, which is a bummer, because he was such a monster, especially in that second half, the size, the athleticism. Um, I mean, guys were just throwing their bodies at him and he just kept chugging, looked like the guy from happy Gilmore at the end. I mean, he just, rar doing whatever he wanted to do. Uh, I mean, it was great, but do we have any more details on his injury? Hopefully it's not long term. It sounds like he avoided surgery. Um, honestly, the, the hit that he took was vaguely reminiscent of what happened at Jackson, Dara on Monday night, like he just kind of had two guys sandwich his knee. Uh, the early word is that he doesn't need surgery, but I would imagine he's going to miss at least a few weeks if not more. And Lane Kiffin said after the fact, like, yeah, it sucks to lose, but I'm equally upset about losing Trada's green as I am about losing the game. Uh, I mean, he's, he has absolutely lived up to the billing. I hope he gets back quickly because that was, that was definitely a, a damper on what was already a bummer of a night. Uh, but in case you can't tell, just a, a very, very fun game, so many great performances, I thought weeks flashed in this game, which he's been doing through the season as well. So this, this will be a game we go back to often in the spring when we're evaluating prospects because there were about 10 of them on the field. Uh, a very fun one. We went on it on purpose, but we got plenty more to get to on today's show. We'll do that right after this break. All right, Dan, we decided before the season started, we wanted to have a segment we could pull out at times this year called I want more. And that is the takeaway that we had coming out of another really entertaining SEC game, big weekend in the SEC, just a lot of good on good ranked on ranked prospect on prospect matchups. One of those was a shootout. South Carolina falls to Mississippi state after taking a pretty substantial lead. I'm sure not, not a lot of happy people in Colombia about the way this thing played out. And that's why we wanted to talk about it because there's two candidates for I need more on today's show and for very different reasons. Who do you want to start with for the South Carolina game cox Dylan Stewart or Lenora sellers? Where do you want to go first? Let's knock out Dylan Stewart first just because I think, you know, this, I literally need more of Dylan Stewart. He only played 15 snaps in this game. Right. It's, it's more of a quicker. Yeah, like he teases us basically with getting on the field. making an impact when he, when he could, but we just, he was on a pitch count. So we only saw so much coming back from that back injury from the offseason, missed the first two games and they use his first time he got on the field was on that first third down. And he immediately got his hands on Camario Taylor, the quarterback, forcing in completion. The next drive made a few plays. So hopefully he's just, you know, ramping up and he's going to be healthy the rest of the year. South Carolina needs him bad, but it's just great to see him back out there because man, he can be a game record when he's right. He just very much the flashes live up to the, the high billing of him being a potential top five pick. He had a TFL where he blew up the pulling guard and shoved him off and got the tackle on the running back all in one play and in 15 snaps. I think he had a, he had a, he had one pressure as well. He forced to throw away. And so to do that in 15 snaps, I was like, all right, check in the box that you're okay. Now let's just up those snaps and see what that looks like, which when I went back and watched this, I was left wanting more. So I think it's very fitting. Now the flip side, yeah, let's get to the other part of that. I need more. Yeah. Like Lenora Sellers, a quarterback, a guy that you don't have to, you don't have to sell me on the talent, right? That's self evident the size, the speed, the, the arm power is just ridiculous. But for a guy with all world traits, he just doesn't play with consistent confidence or timing to really unlock all of those tools, at least on a consistent basis. And against Mississippi State, he had five turnover worthy plays too much of what he was doing was late and indecisive, especially working from the pocket. He gets tunnel vision, where you see him, did you see his interceptions on Saturday? I mean, I sure did. They were tailor made for the defense. The decisions that he was making is just, he's burgeoning the reads. He's not manipulating defenders with his eyes or his body. Instead, he's just making these inexplicable decisions where it just doesn't feel like he's looking at the defense at all, he's just looking at his routes and deciding when to throw it. And it's just, I don't know. When he doesn't play on time, it's, it feels like he presses and he tries to force something that's not there. And that was on full display against Mississippi State. I think he had another pick that I think got waved off by a flag where he, like he's, they're in the red zone, he's looking for the slant. Not only was the slant well covered by the DB, but there were two linebackers just dropped in front of it. And he threw it right to one, one of the linebackers, like straight up, if one doesn't get it, the other one probably does, yeah, it didn't count. But it's just egregious, egregious decision making. And then one of the ones that did count, I think Shane Beamer said after the game, one of his picks was tipped or else it might have been a better throw. So that's fine. But one of his other picks, it's, it's like an out to the sticks, like a, like a curl situation. And there's like, there's a flat defender and a guy over the top, a, there's no conflict whatsoever. Like the, the flat defender could see what was coming and could get depth to make a play on the ball. And if that wasn't bad enough, he was laid as hell getting to it where I was like, all right, if you throw this on time or with anticipation, you might be able to just fire it in there because this is college football, but you're, you're late throwing a, a pass, you shouldn't be throwing anyway. And it's just disastrous. And I'm really disappointed that a guy with this much time on task is making decisions like that. Yeah. And it's what we saw too much last year and not a great start for him. And look, it's the most difficult time to talk about quarterbacks and their evaluation is September, ease in August. It's easy because you're just going based off of what you saw in the summer, December. It's a lot easier because you've had the full season to really dive into the tape, have the full body of work and digest what you've seen. But September, you're battling with like I said before, what's real? What's not? And I think that, and that works both ways, you know, a guy that is off to that hot start and then fizzles and then you've got the guy that starts slow and finish a strong with seller. It's been, it sellers has been a rough start. He has started really slow. And he pick it up as we get going, you know, it's, you keep an open mind, but I think it's fair to be doubtful at this point. The tools are undeniable, like you said, I mean, he had 52 rushing yards in this game, like the athleticism and the arm strength will get him drafted and deservedly so at some point. And you know, he had, he showed off his arm strength with like a really beautiful deep ball, not like a particularly impressive throw, just like a strong throw, but his accuracy was all over the place in what I, in what I was able to see, dude, like just throwing behind guys, dirting balls when he didn't have pressure in his face. I just, it was not pretty. And I hate to do this. We don't need to talk a lot about Camaro Taylor. We already mentioned him last week. I wrote my notes, don't talk about Camaro Taylor, don't talk about Camaro Taylor, don't like I just, because it's just, it's too easy to do because he's just, it's so much fun to watch, right? Well, not only that, but it's also in this game in particular, it's hard. And I, it must suck so bad if you're a South Carolina fan to be watching that game. And the guy in his first month as a starter in the SEC looks like what you were praying Lenora sellers would look like in the, like this season or really even last season. Like Camaro Taylor was the, like easily the better quarterback, not to say he was perfect either, but you just, you see why people are so excited about him when you're watching these teams trade possessions. Yeah. That's it. Like Camaro Taylor played last year. I think he had two starts, maybe. So like coming into this year was like, okay, yeah, there was some buzz from the Manning Camp and he looks like a talented kid, but he's just been way more impressive in terms of exceeding expectations, whereas with sellers, unfortunately, he's fallen short and they go to Tuscaloosa, South Carolina goes to Tuscaloosa this Saturday. So it's not going to get much easier on the road. You know, we'll see if maybe he can get back on track, but it's a long season. This was not a good game for him, but we'll see if he can get right. We need to see more. I will say this. I'm already nervous that people like us and like in good faith, don't get me wrong. But like the excitement about Camaro Taylor, I worry is going to turn into backlash next year. Like when he's, when he's eligible for the draft, people are going to be like, this is the chosen one, huh? This is what day and and day of wouldn't shut the hell up about my, my comparison is always that the, the non draft eligible quarterbacks are like the trailer before a good movie. Like, you know, because before the movie, you see a good trailer, you're bumping elbows. Hey, do you see that? That looks pretty good. That was pretty good. And then you finally, next year, when we actually evaluate him and watch the full, the full movie, it doesn't always live up to the trailer. Now, hopefully Camaro Taylor does, but I'm sure it won't stop us from picking them apart. That's just kind of what happens when you go through the draft process, but, um, I'm just hopeful. You know, he's able to stay. They're able to surround him with talent and then because that's been kind of the issue at South Carolina, right, is can they surround him with, uh, the offensive line? Can they surround him with, with enough weapons and that was all we talked about last year. This year, they did, they invested in bringing the top left tackle, jacarious P, who we should mention. This was his season debut. As well. I'm glad you brought that up. This was his first game. He played well, so maybe that is something that can help lanora sellers get back on track. Hopefully because you know, it's, there's reasons and excuses when we talk about quarterbacks and what they're dealing with and, you know, you, you don't want to, there are absolutely some reasons for why he struggled last year. But this game felt more like, okay, if I'm going to talk my way out of this, it's more excuses and reasons. But still early, there's still time to turn this ship around. But yeah, it was, it was striking to see the sophomore being the definitively better quarterback in this game. All right. We will put an embargo on Kamario Taylor now that we've talked about in two shows in a row. I apologize for that. That's who we needed to see more from coming out of week three. We got a lot to see more from in week four. It's a last weekend. I think other LSU Ole Miss was worth the price of admission. A little bit of a lackluster weekend across the sport as a whole. That is not the case in week four. So we wanted to make sure we left a good chunk of time to look forward to this weekend. And guys were hoping to see more from in week four. We'll do that after one more quick break. Dane, we could take our pick from where to go for this week four slate. And I do, I think there's one place for our purpose is worth starting a because it's the quarterback that already had a bad game a couple of weeks ago that we we circled this game on the calendar. And then a guy we really haven't talked about at all since the season started. I'm referring to the USC Oregon game Dante Moore with a get right opportunity down in LA against Jaden Mayava and USC who are undefeated, haven't played anybody yet, but looking very impressive. So a very nice rubber meets the road game for USC with Oregon coming to town. Yeah, and I think more, he kind of had his get right palette cleanser type of game last week with all the state, right? I mean, Portland state. Come on. But it's a good way to get what happened in still water, you know, just cleanse that move on. It's just a good way to go in, go into the USC game with a little bit of confidence, right? Not a lot, but just a little bit. He scored 84 points. Yeah, that's poor Portland state. And USC, like they've got some young promising parts of that defense. But they're still not a good defense. Their defense is allowing 5.8 yards per play this season. That's 105th in the country. So not great. And more has to be able to take advantage of that. Like how many points that Rutgers score against USC last was 35. I'm used. It's a lot of number. Yeah. Like Oregon, you better be scoring at least if not close into the 40s. Like you have to take advantage of whatever Rutgers did last week. So yeah, for Dante Moore, can you get back on track? Can you? I know the offensive line is still figuring things out. I know the play collar needs to figure some things out. But can you just look like a cohesive unit, stay on time, move the offense. That's what you need to do and show more the guy that we saw last year. And then with Jade Mayava, yeah, this will be his first real test. I think, you know, he's been good so far this year. He leads the FBS and completions of 20 plus yards. This could be a statement gave for him. If you if you can outplay Dante Moore in this type of game, that that's something that is going to help him throughout the process throughout the season. And then throughout the process, competent quarterbacks, they always get pushed up. And for my Ava, just show you a competent quarterback in a game like this. Make plays. Don't turn it over. You know, we'll see if you can pick apart the defense like Mestemaker did two weeks ago. But I think that they USC is set up to win and at least compete in this type of game. So Jade Mayava, let's see you do it. I've seen plenty of Jade Mayava going back to last year. I mean, my god, I watched so much McCoy lemon tape in the spring. I feel like I was watching Jade Mayava on a regular basis. But I don't feel like I have a good handle on his thumbnail. Like what do you think is Mayava's best trait right now? And understanding that there's a lot of football left to play this year. But like, if you're trying to get excited about Jade Mayava, why? I think he's a very smooth passer. You know, like everything from his set up to his delivery, it's just very smooth. It feels like it's on time. You know, he is somebody that wants to take care of the football, but at the same time, he takes calculated risks. And you know, it's probably easier when you have whether it's, you know, McCoy lemon or it could be lame. It's easier when you have some of the guys they had last year. This year, breaking in some younger players, can he still have the confidence to do that? Hopefully he can. He's not someone that's ultra athletic, but he's not a statue either. He can move around a little bit, create some of those second chance plays. And, you know, he might need to in this game against an Oregon defensive line that hasn't played great this year, but we know they have the talent too. And so that is definitely something, you know, I want to see it in this game. I think the game I'm most excited about all misses reward for the big LSU win is to go to the swamp in Gainesville. So Pete Golding said this week that Kewan Lacey is a game time decision. He did leave that LSU game. So I don't know if he's going to play. I really hope he does because if he's available, this is an insane running back on running back matchup. And we we already talked about Lacey at the top of the show. So let's talk about the other guy. I've been waiting to talk about Jaden Bob because I wanted to see it against the team with a pulse because, you know, cool. You had an 80 yard touchdown against Long Island state. That's that's great. But what does it mean? Well, Florida went to Auburn over the weekend, crazy game, like 80 combined points between these two teams. Jaden Baugh, 26 carries for 162 and three touchdowns. And I was so blown away by this guy's fluidity. I've never I don't want to say never. That's that's extreme. But it was striking how, you know, typically when you talk about how a running back never stops moving his legs, you're you're talking about like driving forward, trying to get through contact, trying to gain extra yards. I don't remember the last time I saw a guy who was cutting as consistently as this like his legs are always looking for the next cut and like the next guy that he can make miss. And he is so, so good at it. Like the extra yards that he gets with his elusiveness and foot speed is it's crazy. And like I said, he's done it plenty of times this season, but to see him do it against an SEC roster was it was I had a blast rewatching this. Yeah, I mean, yeah, going back to the summer when I really studied Baugh's game, that was really what stood out the most was the burst in fluidity for a guy that's 230 pounds. Yeah, it's just he's 230. Yeah, I don't think I realized he was that heavy good. He's doing that at 230. That's insane. I mean, I think he's listed or he's 228 is what he was the same ring same difference. Yeah, so like he's he's a big boy. He'll be probably between 225 and 230 when it's all send on. But yeah, three games in and he leads the FPS and force miss tackles. He one of the reasons like I had him I think top 25 on my preseason top 50. So he already in the first round conversation. But a reason I didn't have him higher is the lack of home run plays on his on his tape last year. He's got him now. Yeah, last year, he had one run over 25 yards, just one and it was 26 yards. So zero games last year with over 30 with with a carry over 30 yards. This year, he has at least one carry of 50 yards in each of the first three games. So okay, not only are you hitting the singles doubles, but you're going to hit triples and home runs too. Okay, for a 230 pound back, that cutting ability is awesome. Now like watching the tape versus Auburn, there were so many times where he'll make one cut too many or he's a little too urgent and he's hitting his own blockers and just wants to get a little more patience. So like there's parts of his game. You can nitpick, but you will gladly have the trade off of a little bit of bad for a whole lot of good for just his knack for making guys miss. It's it's really impressive to watch. So yeah, Jaden Boz is a stud. He's I think he has over 130 yards in every game so far this year. Can he keep it up against an Ole Miss defense that is good in parts, but as a whole, you can get Ole Miss. So yeah, this will be this will be an interesting one. They he had a play against Auburn where it was like it was outside zone and the the right guard just didn't get up to the linebacker in time. So the linebacker had a free run at him in the flat. Is this stiff arm? No, he's he's he just he slipped through the linebacker just made him look silly and immediately after the linebacker, he's got the corner in the safety in his face. He bobs right goes left to make the first guy look silly. And then before he's even done with that, he bobs left goes right and he just like zig zags through two men. It should have been a TFL and it was like a seven yard gain instead. And he I mean, he probably did that four times in addition to yeah, like stiff farming people. The one the one really troubling thing was he he dropped the pass that got bobbled and led to an interception. Yeah, which although I will say I so I saw that and I was like, Oh no, can he not catch? But I looked it up and he caught 33 balls last year. So, you know, I'm willing to chalk that up as a flukey play. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. I think that it is more just a brain fart more than anything else for him because yeah, he's a good receiver and they used him a lot last year as a pass catcher. I'm sure they'll use him more this year. Yeah, he's he's dynamic. He is a playmaker for a guy that's that big. You expect him to be more of a power guy. When in reality, he's this make you miss a good luck trying to tackle me in space type of back, which is really unique. I'm just imagining a 1930s sports writer with like a fedora calling him crazy legs ball because that's he that's he's he's got crazy legs. Uh, one other this is this might only be interesting to me. But I was watching him play and I was like, Holy shit, this guy's going to be a first round pick. Florida hasn't had a top 50 pick at running back since Fred Taylor. And that's that seems crazy to me like they've had a ton of running backs get drafted. I mean, my gillously was my dude in that in that year's draft class. But like they have not had a major prospect at running back since Fred Taylor. And in the 90s, they went like they had Emmett Smith and it's here to Fred Taylor. It's it's just kind of crazy to me that a school with Florida's pedigree hasn't produced a running back like this in 30 years. So I found that very interesting and exciting. And I hope like I said, I hope Lacey's available because these two guys go and get an after it. Man, that's a that's a point in viewing on Saturday afternoon. Yeah. That'd be that'd be a lot of fun if we get it. At the same time, part of me is kind of hopeful. They sit Lacey just rest that shoulder, you know, like they don't, but there's a very good chance either the first two running backs drafted when we get the April. So yeah, it'll be a fun matchup. You had you wanted to talk Iowa Michigan, which I want to hear about. Let's talk about some big uglies because that's what I'm, I'm imagining a 13 10 game between Iowa and Michigan. It might be that. Yeah. I mean, talk about big 10 trench play. That's what this will be. I can't wait to see that Michigan defensive line against the Iowa offensive line. Trevor Locke at Love Tackle, Kate Piper at Right Guard for for the Hawkeyes. They've been as advertised so far through three games. I think, you know, when you think of that Iowa zone blocking scheme, you know, it's almost it's almost like a dance where you have to timing really matters. Everything has to be tempoed and that really stands out with Piper. His ability to step engage and then just move his man. It's just it's awesome to watch for Locke on the outside. Can you hold your ground versus John Henry daily who from, you know, the Utah transfer comes over to Michigan. He's so good at using his violent hands. He can move blockers off their spot. He can change it up with a spin move. Dom Nichols on the other side, same type of thing with him. Watching that Oklahoma tape, there were two or three spin moves that he had that led to production for him. So I want to see, particularly those two guys on the edges, how they can hold up or how they can what they can do that Iowa offensive line. But this game, I think, will be one in the trenches that the winner of the Iowa offensive line for submission and defensive line, I think will tell the story of the final outcome. That's only the tip of the iceberg for this weekend, man. We got arch going to Knoxville to play Tennessee. So another big test for archmaning. And he didn't play well against UTSA this past week. And that's, I, again, it's hard to talk about quarterbacks in September because we don't know what's real. But with Texas and everything coming on their schedule, starting this week with Tennessee, Neil is not a fun place to go play. So we'll see how arch and that offense respond. Texas in general just gave off a vibe of being a little too happy about a week to win for my tastes. But they survived UTSA and maybe, maybe that helped them flush it out of their system. So we'll see, we'll see what that looks like. There's some shine off of the Georgia Oklahoma game. But I did see, I saw news earlier this week that David Stone, the star defensive tackle at Oklahoma, sounds like he suffered a practice injury. So not something that you're going to watch for on Saturday, unfortunately, but they said today that it's better than they thought it would be. So they're not, they're not completely ruling them out for Saturday. But regardless, it shouldn't be a long-term thing for David Stone, which, which is good because, man, I had so many Oklahoma fans mad at me when they saw where he was ranked in my top 50. And I was like, guys, I think he was 32. Like guys, he's a top 32 player for me. What's going on? Oh, no, he's a top 10 player. I see, I understand where they're coming from because he was a former five star guy. The talent is there, but you watch at Oklahoma defensive line. And David Stone just disappears way too often. So I need him on the field because I want to see that talent. I want to see him be more consistent because if he can, David Stone is going to be, he'll lock himself into the first round. It's just he needs to do it more consistently. Georgia favored by two touchdowns. And in that game, it isn't Athens, but still a large spread for an Oklahoma team that had some hype heading into the season. We already mentioned sellers is playing Alabama in Tuscaloosa, hell of a challenge for him. LSU Texas A&M playing in the loser is in the mud before September's even over bowl. So that's that's always a fun spot to be. And we put an embargo on the Mississippi State quarterback, but Austin Simmons playing against Mississippi state on the road, newly ranked Mississippi state. We wanted to see more from Austin Simmons, Mizzou. I saw only beat Troy by 10 last weekend. So I'm definitely going to be checking in on that to see how he does against Mississippi state. That's a good one. Yeah. I mean, there's always good matchups to see like whether it's Wisconsin, a Penn State or there was there's one other one that I was interesting to me. Oh, I I'm excited to watch more Lincoln key holds for Louisville. He had some throws against essence the other day, man. Yeah, he did, man. Like there's they obviously he was a top recruit, like Ohio State recruited him for a reason. It's no, you know, it's not a big deal that he couldn't beat out Julian saying like, okay, goes to Louisville and like he's a true dual threat, but he's getting more confident as a passer with each game. And so that's a lot of fun to watch Louisville could really be really make some noise this year. And I think the growth of the quarterback is definitely a big part of that. So I'm just I'm interested. I don't think he's a 2027 quarterback necessarily, but he has dropped eligible and somebody that I want to see more of say loaded college football weekend from front to back cannot wait to see how it plays out cannot wait to talk with you about it again next week. Dane until then that's all we got. We appreciate it. As always, we'll talk to y'all very soon. Thanks for tuning in. Make sure to hit that subscribe or follow button so you never miss an episode. If you enjoyed what you heard, please like, comment and leave a rating. We'll see you next time.