Bryce Crawford: What The Antichrist Will Actually Sell You (It’s Not What You Think!) │ Jack Neel

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Anything that opposes the Christian narrative that's going to point people away from Jesus, I would consider an Antichrist. And, you know, I've been very polarizing about certain things, and I think, like, this thing is a definite Antichrist. But, dude, it is hard to say. I look more for the signs of the end times and not so, like, a specific person. I've always just been the kind of guy that's very cautious to label a person or a thing as, they're not saved, that person's the Antichrist, or that. Because I can only be so sure about myself. I can't be so sure about anyone else. But I look more at the signs of the times, and the signs of the times would say that every day, we're growing more cold to Jesus. Every day, people are believing other doctrines that are false. People are turning to other things. And so, we're one day closer to the end than we were yesterday. And I just want to live my life in a way that, no matter if I die tomorrow or 20 years from now, that my life gives a glory to God and points people to Him, because I think He's the truth. And when Revelations in the Bible talks about the Antichrist as an individual eye, what are, like, the characteristics it describes? Like, for people who know nothing about what the Antichrist is, eye, what can you tell us about it? Well, you know, there's a lot of speculation. Like, is the Antichrist going to be a political leader? Could be. Do I think that Satan is involved in politics? Absolutely, I think he's involved in politics. I think he's absolutely involved in a whole lot of bunch of crap. So, could he be a political leader? Yeah, but he's going to be someone that people turn to, and they're deceived by this Antichrist. The Antichrist is going to come and deceive so many people. And, Jack, the nastiest thing about deception is you don't know you're being deceived when you're being deceived. And I think that's why we have to carefully equip ourselves with what the Scriptures say, so we don't fall to deception. I mean, even Satan tried to tempt Jesus in Matthew chapter 4. And the only way to do that is to fall to deception. The only way that Jesus conquered the deception was with Scripture. And there was even a point where Satan quoted Psalm 91. So, it's how would he be able to catch that small of a difference that made it false, is to actually know Scripture in the right context. So, what's Psalm 91? It's a psalm about protection. So, a lot of people pray it for protection. Like, he who dwells in the shelter of the Most High shall be protected. And he quoted it out of context to try to trip up Jesus. And so, an out-of-context quotation wouldn't be, a correct quotation. That would be like me taking something you said and saying that you meant one thing when you did it. And the only way he was able to catch it was quoting Scripture in its correct context. And so, I think even now in today's society, we have to be careful. I mean, even the Revelation talks about images that will speak to people. And we're living in a day and age where technology is literally developed to where people are having romantic relationships with AI. Like, that does not shock me. But even though, like, we have, you know, technology advancing and, you know, transgenderism's a thing and all these things are growing, the root is still the same. The root problem is the same. So, when I see something like AI or I see something like this or, you know, something feels new, and so, what are your thoughts? It's like, well, the root is the same. People do things because they're on a quest for love. And they find that in other avenues. Satan can't create. But people are going to be really attracted to the Antichrist because he is going to deceive people with itching words. He's going to deceive people with stuff that sounds good, people that they want to hear. And the Bible would say in Revelation that we believe that there's going to be a mass falling away, that there are going to be a lot of Christians in the end that are going to leave the faith. And that's why I feel a responsibility to try to train people up as the best that I can as a 22-year-old who just loves Jesus to know the Scriptures and know Jesus in an intimate way. So, I guess if we, like, just to really hone in on, on this concept, if the Antichrist were coming on your podcast, maybe my podcast, and saying something, selling something, like, what would an Antichrist try to sell you? Like, what are the ideas that they'd be talking about, you think? I think the stuff that the Antichrist would sell would be the stuff that people are looking for everywhere else right now. They're looking for love. They're looking for pleasure. They're looking for satisfaction. They're looking for what feels good in themselves. Like, I think one of the most demonic doctrines in all of the world right now is this inclusivity doctrine. To be loving is to include everyone. And to include everyone just looks like letting people do whatever the crap they want to do. That's not loving. That's not loving at all. It's not loving to be inclusive and say, oh, well, the murderer should just go murder a bunch of people, and this person should love whoever they want to love, and this person is. Well, Jesus makes a definite truth claim that he is the only way. And if he's the only way, that doesn't mean two truths can coexist at the same time. And so I think that is like a doctrine that the Antichrist would sell to people. Hardcore. And, you know, the crazy thing is we don't have to wait for the Antichrist to do what the Antichrist would do. Because Satan is the prince of the power of the air, according to Scripture. He is the little G God of this world, meaning in this life right now, he has reign and rule to influence people to do certain things because we live in a sinful world. And so he's going to be running around trying to convince people to do certain things and to steer away from Jesus. And so, you know, when people are, you know, deep in sin, I'm like, Satan's already got you. He's already got you. You're not convicted. You're, you're in, you know, so-and-so is an atheist. They care not about, they don't care about anything about Jesus. They just want to live for themselves. Satan doesn't have to like expose himself in some grand way to that person because he's already got them. He has to do it to other people, other people who are 50-50 on the fence, who are this close. They're not close to freedom in Jesus, but there's a cracked door in there. I don't mean just doubt. I mean like maybe an unrepentant sin struggle. Maybe they're struggling with something that they won't change or things like that. So I think like what, what would the Antichrist sell? I think it's already being sold. And I think it's just a matter of time. That's why we have to be prepared. The reality is, is if the Antichrist really is here, I think a lot less people would realize that he's the Antichrist because the job of the Antichrist is to deceive. And so I think one of the reasons that it's talked about is because it's polarizing. Right? I mean, it's one of the first questions you're asking. It's curious. It's like interesting with the Antichrist, the end times, what's going to happen? Is it going to be a big apocalypse? What are aliens real? Is it, is the Illuminati real? Who runs the world? Is it, is it really political power people or is it, you know, private sector people? You know, it's like who runs the world? That stuff is so interesting. So it doesn't shock me that people are interested. Um, but I wouldn't be so surprised that a lot of people who don't really know what they're doing. really follow Jesus. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know the Antichrist was here or among us or doing his thing. The Bible also talks about the second coming of Christ in the end times. Can you kind of just give me a brief breakdown of what that looks like in your view? Yeah, so I believe that the first time that Christ came, he came humbly and he came to save the world. He came to bring peace and not a sword. But the next time he comes, he's going to bring a sword. And this isn't a sort of unjust punishment. This is a sword of just wrath that he is coming to end sin once and for all. And we believe that after Jesus has returned, that there will be no more suffering, no weeping and gnashing of teeth. That Christ is going to banish Satan into the lake of fire for an infinite amount of time. And he's going to come riding on a white horse from the clouds, from the heavens. And it's in that moment, it's too late. Because he's already made it back. Imagine, it's so funny to hear people say, oh, well, I would believe in Jesus if he stood right in front of me. Well, he came 2,000 years ago and people killed him. So you really think that you would have the same, oh, like I would believe in him if he was there. The same people a week prior were laying palm leaves at his feet, calling him Hosanna, Hosanna. And then a week later. They were like, yeah, Barabbas, release the rapist, the thug and the murderer and kill the guy that's done nothing but heal us, be generous to us and point us to the actual way. Kill that guy. So when people were like, oh, if Jesus was here right now, I'd believe. That's just, that's total baloney. I would say that they wouldn't. It's a heart issue, not a head issue. But when Christ returns as a Christian, I shouldn't be afraid. Do I really know what it's going to look like? Dude, I have no idea. It'll probably look freaking. It'll probably look crazy, but as a Christian, I shouldn't be worried because that means victory is coming. If I'm not a Christian, might be a bad day. Might be a bad day. Yeah. And I'm guessing in your view, we wouldn't know if Christ had returned or would that be so obvious? So the Bible says we don't know the day or the hour. So there was like a big trend on TikTok where people were like, Christ, the rapture is happening. Christ is going to return. He's going to return on like September 25th. And I'm like, if someone says that, I know immediately not to listen to that guy. Like that is a guy I'm not listening to because the Bible would say we don't know the day or the hour. Only the father knows. So that's what it means to be prepared. That's what it means to follow Jesus. The scriptures would call in Matthew 25 oil in your lamp, which is just a metaphor for intimacy with God. According to the scriptures, I need to be intimate with God and you can't borrow my intimacy with God just because. Time's running out and like, oh, I need to make it across the finish line. So give me your oil. You can't ask me for my intimacy because it's my intimacy. You can't get it. You have to go build a relationship with Christ on your own. You have to trust in Christ for yourself. So no, we don't know the day or the hour, but I'm telling you, you ain't going to miss it when he returns because it's going to be a thunderous storming the gates of hell once and for all to end sin and death. It's going to be it's going to be insane. This kind of answer is my next question then. But I do believe Trump could be the second coming of Jesus. No, no, I don't think any I don't think any political leader is the second coming of Jesus. At all. Do you think any political leader might think they are? Maybe they do. And if they do. I just laugh. Right. Even if there's someone like you, whether it's a political leader, I agree with or disagree with because everyone's got politics and they still think that they are the second coming of Jesus. I would just laugh. I would just laugh because it's your human being. You're flawed. You are not Jesus. You're nothing remotely close to Jesus. I'm nothing remotely close to Jesus. And that's Satan's trick. He wants he wants us to think we can be our own God of our lives. So it wouldn't shock me if people believe that about themselves. You brought up on your podcast with JD about Trump's photo of himself that he posted on Truth Social. Do you think Trump's AI Jesus post was blasphemy? Well, I guess the thing I would ask you is how do you define blasphemy? I guess just against the doctrine, against the dogma, but against Christ and God. Ultimately, like take a public announcement of that. Yeah. When I when I was a kid, I was a kid. I was a kid. I would say that whether he intended or not. It's blasphemy. Can it be forgiven? Absolutely. I just did not buy the I thought I was a doctor. I don't know. Last time you went to the doctor, my doctor didn't wear a white robe and a red sash across his chest and was healing people. My doctor came in with scrubs and a stethoscope trying to check my heartbeat. And so if it's an honest mistake. It's an honest mistake. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. And, you know, I think that sometimes, like, I respect our leaders. I respect people in politics, no matter what political party they're from, because, I mean, you're talking about broken human beings who are trying to govern countries and make world altering decisions where people's lives are going to be affected either way you swing on decision making. That's a tough job. But to post a photo where you look like Jesus and say you thought you were a doctor, I just thought that was silly. And I get it. Like, one of the hardest things that we can do as men is to say when we're wrong, maybe that was the case. Maybe it was an accident. I don't know. But I don't think it's weird or I don't think it's weird or wrong as a Christian to be like, yeah, I had a problem with that. Right. And like, as a Christian, just when it comes to politics. If someone gets elected, whether you like them or you don't like them, you should pray that God influences them to make good decisions and not poor decisions. Any issue people have with politics, you know, death penalty, immigration, all these other things. We're trusting that, well, according to the scripture, it would say that God has given people authority, government authority. And we have to trust that they're going to do the right moral thing. And it breaks God's heart when they do things in a cruel, immoral manner. So whether you're, you know, someone listening, their favorite political party is in office or not, you should be praying for our leaders because whether you like it or not, they're in power. We should want them to make wise decisions. We should want them to do the right thing. But it's not weird to say that you have a problem with that photo if you take offense to it and I take offense to it. The Bible also says that before the Antichrist returns, we'll see Christianity in every nation on earth. And hence that a great revival comes before the fall of man. Does it ever scare you how many people are turning to Christ right now? All right. So imagine you need relationship advice. And you ask your friend who hasn't had a girlfriend since COVID and has about three matches on his dating apps despite paying for premium. Like, why would you do that? There's a reason you wouldn't ask that guy to handle your love life. 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With Shopify on your side, turn your big business idea into. Sign up for your $1 per month trial at shopify.com slash special offer. Why would you guess so many people are turning to Christ right now then? I think there's. I can't recall the exact statistics about this, but it seems among particularly. Gen Z men, they've had a high increase in Christianity. I think the main thing is the biggest gateway drug to ever be introduced into the world is the phone. And people have access to large quantities of sin in short amount of times as much as they want. And I think people are getting dissatisfied by their sin quicker than I did and quicker than our parents did. And so now they're like, I need something or someone outside of myself. And that's Jesus. Gen Z is the most depressed. It's the most anxious generation of all time. And we have access to the most people we've ever had access to from the click of a button. And yet somehow we don't have the cure to anxiety, the cure to depression. We haven't figured it out. So I would say that people are getting dissatisfied super quick. And they're trying to find the solution in Jesus. And I'm honestly really glad that men are turning to it because I think men need to step up and be an example. I think that's what it means to be a man. And I want to see more men follow through and be a leader, not just like in their own lives, but in their. God willing, they get married, they have children, they grow a family, they're a leader to their family, they're a leader to their friends, they're a leader in the workplace. They're pointing people back to the source, which I would believe is Jesus. Yeah, I mean, it's amazing that people are turning to Christ right now. You said you'd almost fake been saved 39 times over the course of several years at, is it church summer camps? Yeah, church summer camps. I think you noted previously that a lot of that was just sleep exhaustion, hunger, just being with a bunch of people and feeling as though you were saved, feeling the emotions of that. But when you talk about the famous story of your conversion to Christ, that 40th time, you had had a big argument with your family and were sleep deprived. Yeah, I mean, I think two things. I think number one, Jesus, right? Now, do I think it's bad to be in a church environment or to feel provoked by a message? No, not at all. That's one of the reasons why I preach is I want people, God willing, God, to use my words and use scriptures to provoke people to know the truth, which I believe is Jesus. The difference was. The difference was the follow through. I'd had a personal experience with Jesus, but that was my foot in the door. If my whole faith journey was based on that one night, I would have left a long time ago. So that journey provoked me into, is Jesus really who he says he is? And is he worth giving my life to? And so the next day, on December 26th, I had made prank videos and I went on this YouTube channel and I said, hey, I just had this encounter. I don't know what's going on, but I'm going to go figure this out. And hopefully in two weeks, I can come back from now and tell you all. And I locked myself in my room for the rest of that Christmas break and read two books, the Bible and a book called Systematic Theology by Wayne Grudem to understand basic truths about Christianity and if he was true. And by the end of that two weeks, I put all my poker chips in on Jesus. And that was where the journey began. So, you know, a lot of people can have emotional highs on different things, but if there's no follow through, then it's going to fail just as much as a person that feels emotionally motivated to lose 150 pounds because all their friends are bonkers. And then, you know, the next day, they're home alone by themselves and they don't take the discipline and the motivation to actually take action. You know, I took action. And I think more people need to take action. Have you ever looked back at that experience and thought, man, maybe I was just tired, maybe I was hungry, that kind of thing? In that particular instance, I never really looked back and thought I was tired. I looked back and actually thought I was really aware because I went to Waffle House that night bringing the most shame I'd ever felt in my life, the most guilt I'd ever felt in my life. So I was literally the most aware of my mistakes I'd ever been and the most honest I'd been about my mistakes. And that's something hard to go to sleep on. I don't know about you. Like when you stay awake and think about things that you've done that no one else knows that you've done and you're afraid that it might haunt you or come back up or pop back up in your life. Keep me up. Sometimes I even stay awake some nights and go, man, I don't know why. I'm the guy that gets to tell people about Jesus because I was really the most broken human being on the planet. But that night I went there to Waffle House just to get kind of one last meal and it was the only thing open on Christmas. And I went in and it was super packed and there were families in there, families of four, families of six or groups of four, groups of six. And they were getting to sit before me and I wasn't getting to sit because I was by myself. So then another guy walked in double my age and I asked him, I said, if you'll be a part of my party, we can sit down together. I'll pay for your meal. Because I was trying to eat and get out of there. And I sit down and then he just started dumping his life issues on me. My wife's divorced me. She's taking the kids. It's our last Christmas together. And I'm like sitting there thinking to myself, I came here to escape one last time and this guy's dumping his life issues on me. And then I just remember he said, I love my wife, but she doesn't feel the same about me. And then he said, there's no growth in a relationship if the love isn't mutual. And when he said that, no, he didn't say the name of Jesus. From what? I could tell in the way he was talking to me and the words he was using, he didn't seem Christian. It was like all of time stopped. And the 18 inches between my head and my heart finally connected. All this stuff that I had heard or seen or watched growing up finally clicked. And for the first time in my life, I asked myself this question internally. Maybe I don't know God loves me because I haven't given myself a chance to love him back. Because the Christian narrative would say God has displayed his love for everyone on the cross. And it's up to us if we want to accept the gift of grace. And in that moment, I was just like maybe God really does love me and I was like, if he does love me, why am I having this experience right now where all of time is stopping and like a film reel in front of my eyes, I'm seeing scriptures and things and all like, why is this happening to me right now when I'm moments from making the most confident decision I'd ever felt in my life of the pain's going to end. This is what I've been looking for. Why does it happen now? And to me, that sparked a lot more curiosity. Then doubt because I'm, I'm thinking, well, if God is real and he runs the whole universe and he has a million things on his plate, why did he stop me? If he has a million things on his plate, there's a whole lot more people that haven't made the mistakes that I've made. Why did he stop me? Why did he choose to intervene in my life? And I believe it's because he values everyone's life. And sometimes it takes a supernatural encounter like that. Other times it takes a guy like me being loud about the truth to get someone's attention. Sometimes it just takes being real. Raised by good parents. Sometimes it takes losing everything you have and coming to rock bottom. Sometimes it looks like. receiving the promotion and realizing, like, I couldn't have gotten here without something or someone. You know, it looks different for everyone. But no, I was the most aware I'd ever been in my life that night. I knew what was going to happen. I knew what I was doing. I had known the mistakes I had made. Would you say that's the event in your life that you couldn't explain without God? Or is there one that's happened since that sticks out to you? Um, like, are you saying have I ever had another, like, encounter that I just knew God was a part of? Yeah, maybe something that, like, you're like, that had to have been God. There's no way it could be anything else. And if anyone else had experienced it, they would know for a fact that it's Christ, you know? Yeah, I think, like, I think, like, once you start following Jesus, you become more aware in general. You know, I remember when I was younger, someone had told me that on the FedEx logo that, in between the letters, there's an arrow. Yeah. And once they said that, I can't not see it because they said it. So it's like, once I met Jesus, I couldn't stop seeing him in things, whether it was subtle or whether it felt in my face. And, like, what we do today, the videos, the podcast, the mission, all stemmed from a dream that I was so confident it was God. And I'm not the kind of guy that dreams. I knew it was God. I've seen God physically heal people. And I called on Jesus's name, not Buddha's name. So I'm not the kind of guy that dreams. I'm not the kind of guy that dreams. But I knew it was him. I've seen God do miraculous things and wonder things where I'm like, I know that he's real. But even, even now, I've just gotten to a place in my faith where, like, I haven't, quote unquote, felt God in quite a few months. But I'm more confident now than I was five days ago that he's the truth. What does that mean? You haven't felt God? Like, you know, a lot of people make Christianity out to be this, like, feeling and this experience. And, like, I get, I get this direction. So if I don't feel God, if I don't feel his presence, then that means that he's not with me or something's wrong or I've done something that I don't know that I've done wrong that's upset him. And actually, that's just not the truth. Like, truth overrides a feeling, you know? Like, we could say, oh, man, heroin's the best, bro. You'd feel great. But it's like, well, the truth of the matter is heroin's really bad for you. You shouldn't take heroin. It doesn't matter if you feel good on it. It's the same thing. It's like, well, if I don't feel God, that doesn't mean he's not there. And what's been so incredible lately, just in my personal walk with Jesus, is I have seen God more in the truth and in the logic and in the reason of who he is and the scriptures and the way that the world goes than I have sometimes closed in my eyes and worshiping in church and feeling his presence. Now, have I felt God's presence occasionally? But when I mean consistently, I'm talking like I haven't consistently felt his presence in months, but I feel more strong in my faith now than I've ever felt before. That's pretty interesting, actually. Yeah. That's one thing I've said before. I went on one podcast, it was Elliot Buick's podcast, the show that you went on as well. I'd said that it's impossible to logically deduce your way to Jesus. But I think that the way you feel about things is more important than the way you feel about God. And I think that's one thing I've said before. I went on one podcast, think about things in the way you logic about things. But do you have any thoughts on that? Like, if Jesus was logic, then all the smartest people would go to him, you know, but it's not just the logic of it. Well, like in John chapter one, when it says, in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God, it's capital W. So grammar would say it's talking about a person. We believe that person is Jesus. The word capital W we believe is Christ, not just literally like he lived out the scriptures, but it would be like, you know, like, you know, like, it would translate to the logos, the logic. He is the truth. He is the logic. He is logic. So it is partially logical, like Christ. And when I say that, I mean that God is not trying to do mental gymnastics with us to where we can't understand anything about God. Like when people are guy, God's too big, we can never understand anything about him. I'm like, actually, I just don't think that's true. I think God isn't trying to do mental gymnastics with us. Are there going to be things that are complicated about an eternal? All powerful, all knowing God that me as a broken, finite human being won't understand. Absolutely. That will be true, but that doesn't make him false because I can't fully wrap my mind around an all knowing, all perfect, all loving God as a finite, broken human being that's been alive for 22 years. And he's always existed. He created time, but there is a logical side to God. That's like, okay, well, if there is absolute truth and truth, isn't just relative, then that truth has to come from somewhere. And if there's an order and intelligence and design, and we have been given minds that are able to sub create, then where does that unction to create come from? Where do we get this stuff? Like that stuff is not. You have to use logic to understand Christ to a perspective, but there's also this leap of faith where it's like, I am trusting in something I can't see. I'm putting faith in something that could potentially not be true. And I can't, I can't 100% prove that God's real, but I can look at where the evidence points. And I just believe the evidence points to Christ being that God that, that I serve. That's interesting that you feel more confident in the logic of it than your feelings of it at the moment. I think a lot of people might assume with how much like passion and emotion you speak with that it might be the, the inverse, but that's, that's really fascinating. On the Sean Ryan podcast, you'd said, quote, I think Islam is the antichrist. And I say that confidently and boldly, and I'm not going to shy down from it. Do you think Judaism is the antichrist as well? I think every religion is an antichrist, some aspect that isn't Christianity. When I'm talking about Islam in particular, it's the fastest growing religion in the world. Hmm. And more and more people are falling for it. And it's, it's, every other religion is a slight perversion of the truth. I believe every religion, whether you're the Muslim, the Buddhist, the Hindu, you have a shadow of Christ. You have a fraction of it, of it, whether it's a sense of morality that remains true to the character of Christ. You know, a lot of Muslims pray a lot more than Christians do. They fast a lot more than Christians do. They give a lot more than Christians do, but they worship a different God than I do. So that means we believe in two completely different things, even though there's a different God. Absolutely. They think Jesus is just a prophet. I think Jesus is God. If I were to say Jesus is God in Islam, I would be punished for it. I'd be committing shirk. I can't say that as a Muslim. We totally believe in different gods. And you know, I respect everyone that has a religion, but I'm going to stand 10 toes down and be like, I think Jesus is the truth. And if you're not following Jesus, if you don't have faith and trust in Jesus Christ to finish work at the cross, you're not crossing into eternal life with God. And some people may think that's mean or harsh, I don't think it's mean and harsh. I just think it's the truth. If a building's on fire and I walk by and there's five people in there and I say, hey, do you guys want something from Dunkin' Donuts? That's stupid. I should be like, hey, the building's on fire. Get out of the freaking building. That's how we should live this life. It's like, we need to stand up for truth and there's a way to go about it. But yeah, I mean, I think Islam is the Antichrist for other certain reasons, but I know why you're asking the question about Judaism, because there's this conspiracy and Jews and all this other stuff out there, which, you know, I understand why people maybe have the question or hesitancy. at ZocDoc, we know you care about your health. 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Ask your doctor about Eblis and visit eblis.com or call 1-800-544-7000. 1-800-LILLY-RX or 1-800-545-5979. In your view, why do Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah? Well, they just believe he hasn't come yet. Whereas I would say he's come. Jesus is here. I believe that all the prophets, major and minor prophets in the Torah would point to Christ being the Messiah to be the one that comes. Isaiah 53, Isaiah is like one of the most respected prophets in Judaism. And Isaiah 53, you would think Isaiah had written this after Jesus had been born. But it is clear cut. It sounds exactly like the life of Jesus. You should read it for yourself and anyone listening should read it because I'm not going to spoil it. But if you read it and you know the basic life and narrative and the basic understanding of the gospel, whether you're a Christian or not, it would blow your mind. It was written 700 years before Jesus Christ had entered into the world. And it's a prophecy about the Messiah. Can you give me a bit from it? Yeah, I think the main portion is he was pierced for our transgressions and crushed for our iniquities and like a lamb led to the slaughter. It's powerful. It's like you can't make that stuff up. Like a lamb led to the slaughter. A lamb is silent. Jesus didn't utter a word against the allegations led to him. He was beaten so bad he didn't look like a human being. These things are described in Isaiah 52 through 54, but mainly Isaiah 53. It's a passionate picture of the Messiah to come. That was literally what the Jews thought in that context of Jesus, that the Messiah would come and literally overthrow the Roman government and like bring this new kingdom, literally. But Jesus does bring a new kingdom. It's just not what they thought. I mean, they literally thought the Messiah would be born of some like high prestigious family, beautiful and come from wealth and like be this guy that would just conquer the Roman government. And Jesus is born in a horse feeding trough in a parking lot and looks like every other Jew. And Islam believes the same. Well, Islam, about what? About the Messiah? So, so Isa is the name for Jesus in Islam and they just believe that he's a prophet. So in the end times, they believe that Christ is going to return. See, this is what I'm saying about deception, man. It's so close. You just don't know you're being deceived. They believe in the miracle virgin birth. They believe that Jesus was a good man. They believe that he's going to return one day. Like these things sound great. It sounds like the Christian narrative, but they don't believe he was crucified on the cross. Right. Which is just so fascinating because we have so many eyewitness accounts. Or is it they don't believe in the resurrection? It's the crucifixion? Well, both. They would say that he wasn't even crucified. Huh? Yeah, they would say there's a bunch of different perspectives from the Islamic faith. But one of the most common ones I hear is that, and this is going to be like a really broad way to describe it, but like they basically swapped him out. So Allah swapped him out. On the cross. So the narrative is slightly different and it sounds like almost perfect. That's deception, man. That's, that's the nastiest thing about deception. The Messiah that you described a moment ago, the one that would overthrow Rome. Is that similar to the definition of the inter-Christ? You know, maybe I think that what, see Revelation is an interesting book to understand. Because it's apocalyptic literature. There's so many perspectives. Pre-tribulation dispensationalism, post-trib, amillennialism, all these perspectives of revelation, because people are trying to understand what the heck did John see and record on the island of Patmos that we have now is called the book of revelation. It is a deeply complicated book. Like you'll read like one third of the stars fell away. And then five chapters later, it says, well, half the stars fell away. And it's like, well, how does that even make sense? Just said a third of the stars fell away. And now half of the stars fell away. What does that mean? What does it represent? The, the definites that I can take out of revelation, literally, or that crisis, the alpha and the omega, the first and the last that he has the keys of death and Hades in his hand, and then he's going to return and bring judgment on the earth. So, you know, maybe is that what it's going to look like? The antichrist, isn't going to be some like pimp squeak from, you know, some part of the country where he only gets a thousand people to believe in him. Like that ain't, that ain't going to be the antichrist. This is going to be world influence. And it's going to deceive a lot of people, but you know, what has the same amount of in actually not the same amount. Way more world influence and an antichrist love the gospel. The beauty of the gospel has no language barrier, no distance barrier, no, no racial barrier. It's for everyone, anyone who wants it. And so that can be just as influential. I mean, we're talking about, I mean, the idea back in that time period. Was if you read the book of acts, the book of acts is all about the birth of the early church. And at the end of acts, it ends at Paul being in Rome. And some theologians believe that Luke ended the book of acts that way, because the common belief was all roads lead to Rome. And so if the gospel got to Rome, it would go everywhere. That is hopeful for me as a believer. So even when you talk about earlier, like, Oh, when the end times, we believe as Christians that the gospel is going to go to every nation. That gives me hope because that people get the chance, but what about the Amazon tribe of 12 people that are deep in the forest that have their own language and we don't, we have to trust according to revelation. It says every nation, tribe, and tongue will be represented in heaven. And we have to trust that God will judge. Each nation, tribe, and tongue, and each scenario and instance that the Bible doesn't necessarily describe in a righteous, just manner. And we've seen time and time again, people come to faith, like Muslims in Gaza, all having the same dream of Jesus and like becoming Christian. So like, does God have to use just a leather bound Bible to get somewhere? No, he doesn't have to do that. Um, but yeah, the anti-Christ isn't just going to be some like small influence, influential pipsqueak or something. He, he's going, he's going to try to do some damage. And you think the anti-Christ is a man, not a machine, right? Well, what do you mean by machine? It's like, I could say that religion is a machine, right? So do they go hand in hand? A machine is just something that could be the means by which something gets delivered or presented or taken care of. So it's, you know, I don't know what means that the anti-Christ is going to use to, to gain influence, gain power. Like. Is he going to pass out pamphlets or is he, you know, like, I don't know what he's going to do. I don't know what the machine he is. It's going to do. I'm just not convinced that it is a, I don't know, like a robot or something. You know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I really don't know what it's going to be like as my, if I'm being completely honest, like I don't, I really don't hyper fixate on like the anti-Christ because I'm so confident in Jesus. I don't want to like focus on like some anti version of my hope, but I'm just going to focus on the hope. If crap goes down, I'm, I'm ready. Um, you know, I'm, I'm standing on the truth. I'm standing on business. So, you know, I really don't know what it's going to look like fully. I wish I had the answers. You know, I don't really fully know every detail of heaven. I don't fully know every detail of hell. I wish I did. There's some, these are some things that I wish I knew, but I think that's like the, the full on mystery of what it's going to look like, who exactly it's going to be, what it's going to be. Like, it's fascinating, but that mystery. Keeps me to be like, I need to be intimate with Jesus because as long as I've got him, none of that crap matters because I've got, I've got him and I've got the truth. You know, do you think when you're reading evil, listening to evil, like consuming evil, you're feeding evil and evil likes it. Does that make sense? Um, like when you're looking into all this dark stuff, like horror movies, like reading about Satan, just because like you're fascinated reading about conspiracy theories. Like, do you think that gives the devil power in a way? So the Bible would say in Ephesians chapter four, that, uh, unrepentant sin gives the devil a foothold in your life. So is it, is it sin to try to figure out the truth in an honest manner? No. If the things that you're doing are leading you into sin, then I would say there's probably a problem. Um, you know, like I'm around a bunch of religions. I've been to the satanic temple twice. I have a satanic Bible on my bookshelf. I have witchcraft books on my bookshelf. I have Buddhist books on my bookshelf. I have like three Korans on my bookshelf. You know, I, I have books. Is that, does that mean that something's going on? No. But if I want to be able to reach those people, I have to understand why they believe what they believe and reach those people right now. If that stuff began to influence me, then I would say it's probably not wise. I have it on my bookshelf. So I think it's, it comes down to, you know, for me, I can't listen to sad music because it'll trigger like depression and anxiety to creep up on me. And I only listen to it because I liked the instruments. But then I found jazz and I'm like, I get the instruments without the sadness. So I'll just ditch the sadness and get jazz, you know? So there's like, you know, there's things that we can substitute and, you know, what's wise, what's beneficial. And the Bible would call this living above reproach. I want to stay away from the appearance of sin. And so if a behavior or something I'm doing is going to cause sin in my life, I need to stay away from it. On the topic of witchcraft, the latest data shows roughly 30% of Americans now actively consult astrology, tarot readers, fortune tellers, and witchcraft itself is the fastest growing religion among Gen Z women. I'm not laughing. I just thought it was funny. You hadn't heard that before? No, I've never. That's interesting. Yeah. Why do you think so many women are turning to witchcraft in 2026 or people turning to the occult in general? 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Or you can scan the QR code on screen to take a short quiz to find out if you qualify for $1,000 in potential recoveries. I think there's a couple reasons. I think number one, the soul yearns for the supernatural. And they're looking for it in that way. You know, it's funny how people like reject the idea of the Christian God, but then they're like willing to go do a Ouija board. And I'm like, dude, what that this is like hypocritical, like maybe pray one time before like turning to the tarot card. But I also think that there is an aspect of emotionalism that's tied to the occult. Surface level occult is like wealth spells and and you know, sex spells love. It's all about the self. I was literally just talking to an ex Satanist a couple hours before this. And he was telling me all this stuff, but the rabbit hole goes deeper. Right? So I think that there is a little bit of an emotional pool when it comes to, you know, the witchcraft, the cult side of things. Maybe some inclusion, you know, just like every other group. Furries are inclusive. LGBTQ is inclusive. All these people are inclusive. So maybe it's that. And also just the soul yearns for supernatural. Like, for some reason, it's easy to believe in a rock collection, but it's like, but it's like hard to believe in a supernatural God that designed everything. I just have a hard time understanding that. I'm not like, like crapping on someone for having a belief system. That's not what I'm doing. I just don't understand the hypocrisy and like believing in a rock collection. Like, oh, if I if I use this rock, this rock is gonna give me this thing. Or if I practice tarot cards here, if I do this thing, but then we're talking about thousands of years of historical documents, that Jesus was a man of his word. And the mystery is, did he actually rise from the dead? I would say there's more evidence to point to that being true than the rock collection working. But for some reason, that's stupid. And the rock collection is where I should go, or the tarot card should go or the witchcraft I should go to. And it's like, guys, what are we doing? What are we doing? And it's getting pushed on social media, too. I get recommendations of like witches and witchcraft stuff all the time on TikTok live. And I'm like, Oh, my gosh. Like, we've gone digital. We've gone digital with the witchcraft. And I'm just like, man, that's why I think we need Jesus. You know, the whole reason we started our mission again is because so many things that were false were infiltrating people's phones. And some people have been hurt by Christians. And so they're afraid to go into church. So it's like, okay, I'm going to meet them where they're at. I'm going to infiltrate their phone. I'm going to pump so much Jesus on the phone that it'll reach people where they're at and hopefully speak to their situation and speak to what they're going through. And, you know, witchcraft is just a perversion of the truth, perversion of the supernatural. You think it's real, though? Oh, absolutely. It's real. Let me ask you this. This just came to me, actually. I guess someone who spent time with these people and believes in his faith in Christ so deeply, like, if you wanted to master the material world, only that world, what would be the religion you would subscribe to? What would be the practices you would do? If someone because it sure as heck ain't going to be me because I found the truth. If someone wanted to do that, it would be witchcraft. Manifestation, all about how in your own willpower you can manifest your reality. You can manifest your circumstances. How many times I write it down in the journal. The thing is, manifestation doesn't care about your soul. When you find Jesus, you don't care about mastering the material world because it doesn't matter to you as much. Like, you know, before I was a Christian, I cared about money. I cared about things. Then after I became a Christian, it's not that those things aren't important, but it's just that's not the end goal. The end goal isn't the mansion here. The end goal is Jesus. And I get Jesus when I put faith in him. So like, if someone wants to master the material world, I would say their priorities are out of line because anyone would recognize whether you have a billion dollars in your bank account or $5 in your bank account, the material world does not satisfy. It is an endless hamster wheel of nothingness. And it's just a big rat race Satan tries to take us on. George Mueller, a famous Christian from a couple hundred years ago, once said, if you're not satisfied with the amount of money in your bank account, you'll never be satisfied. Double the amount of money in your bank account. So mastering the material world, like it sounds fun and ambitious, but to me, it's just silly because the hole is still there in your heart. It can't fill it. But witchcraft is all about the self. It's all selfish. It's all how much I can feed me. What's best for me. Manifestation is for me. If I ask God, God, give me this promotion at work and I don't get the promotion at work. People get mad at God. But as a Christian, you're trusting that God knows what's best for your life. So God's not always going to give Bryce what he wants, but he's going to give Bryce what I need. And maybe if God allowed me to get the promotion, I would become my own God and not lean on him. And I would lose sight of him. And he cares more about me. Whereas manifestation has given me the promotion. I will be promoted president of the company. I will be this and I manifest my way up there. And then I'm more depressed than I was before. It didn't help me at all. And so my question would be for the person that wants to master the material world is why? Why do you want to buy the Uris? Why do you want to buy the mansion? Why do you want it? And deep down, maybe it's the flex. Maybe it's the aura. Maybe it's because I want friends to like me. The roots the same and manifests differently. Some people want the cars. Some people want the mansions. Some people just want the liquid money. Some people want the power. And it's a crazy thing it'll do to you. That's why we need checks and balances. That's why we need this stuff because power will ruin people. Money will ruin people. And money, it's so interesting you bring up the material world. Money temporarily offers the same things God can offer you. You can create a lot of things in this material world with money. You can buy things, make things happen. You can purchase things that aren't literally physical. You can do a lot of wicked stuff with money, but it is a perverted version and you become your own God. And I've lived only 22 years of my life and I know sure as heck I should not be God. I should definitely not be God. I've made a ton of mistakes. And so, yeah, the master in the material world is an interesting thing, man. There are so many Christians and Muslims, Buddhists that they say they're their religion, but their real religion is the worship of the self. You said something in June that I hadn't heard you talk about on a bunch of shows before. You became extremely ill and saw something strange in your Instagram DMs. Do you think a witch has ever put a curse on you? Yeah, that's literally what was happening. It was a group chat of witches DMing me like spells or whatever on voice memo. And I was like, what the heck? It was just weird. Once I found out, I wasn't scared. I just laughed. I was like, this is stupid. Did you listen to them? I listened to one and then just cut it off. I knew what was going on. I didn't want to listen to the rest of them. I started playing one and I was like, holy crap, this is real. I'm from like a small country town and there's witches DMing me spells. And dude, we hadn't even started the ministry yet. So what, what, like if people aren't Christian and they see like the social media videos and the podcast, I consider that the ministry. So we hadn't started that. I had gotten the dream. I was working on it. I was figuring out, I was planning it right when I was about to start figuring it all out. Bam, I get hit with this crazy illness and I went to doctors and doctors and blood tests and this and couldn't figure it out until finally one day I opened my Instagram DMs and see all this stuff and prayed with some mentors and, you know, rebuked it in Jesus name. And then I woke up the next day and had a doctor's appointment and they put, uh, a scope down my stomach and they said, oh, you just have a stomach ulcer from stress. I was like, stress? I'm not stressed. And I thought that was interesting. It was just like laughable because I'm just like, man, I have the blood of Jesus on my side. These guys have nothing on me. And I wasn't living in some unrepentant sin. I wasn't doing that. I was trying to live above reproach. I was bringing mentors in my life. I think it was a legit spiritual attack. And that's what happens sometimes being a Christian, but I didn't shake in my faith. Does that happen to you constantly? I get nightmares. I get nightmares, crazy stuff and nightmares. I had three weeks of the same nightmare, different scenarios about a month ago. And it was just crazy. Felt like spiritual attack. This is interesting. I don't know exactly the logistics of this, but do you think demons. And Satan tries to attack you? Or do you think it's way more powerful if a human wills that onto you? So I would say if someone is practicing the occult, they would be asking Satan to do something. If you ain't talking to the Holy Spirit, you're talking to a demon. I don't think someone's like, oh, my grandma spoke to me from the dead. That ain't your grandma. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry if I'm bursting your bubble like that. I remember somebody told me Santa wasn't real when I was younger and it burst in my bubble. So I'm sorry if I just bursted your bubble. Ain't your dead grandma talking to you? It's a demon. He's trying to trick you. He's trying to steer you away from the true freedom. And so I don't think a human willed it on me. You have to think like we're under demonic influence in the big and in the small. Like a lot of people look at big things and go, this person, this political leader is demonic or this thing. It's like, okay, yeah. But what about the stuff that you're consuming on your phone? You don't think that's demonic influence or the music that you're listening to? Or the subtle behaviors you pick up from your friend group? You don't think that's demonic? I think it's just as demonic. I like to use this example because I think it puts it into perspective. You know, you see pastors cheat on their wives and they didn't just wake up one day and go, oh, I'm going to cheat on my wife. No, it starts out by them going to the gym and looking at a woman lustfully. And then they don't say anything because they go, well, I didn't do anything wrong. But Jesus says, if you look at a woman lustfully, you've committed adultery in your heart. But they hide it because they're like, well, I didn't do anything wrong. And then they hide it because they don't know how it happened. And then it just develops and develops and develops up until they cheat on their wife. They don't know how it happened. So big demonic expressions start small. They don't just come out of nowhere. They start small. So no, I think Satan, you know, the Bible describes Satan. They say he is like a roaring lion. They don't say he is. They say he is like one. He's just a kitty cat in the corner with a megaphone. He's a total loser. I hate that dude. He's got nothing on me. I got Jesus. I don't know what to do. I don't know Jesus by my side. Satan's a total loser, dude. Is that the one, I guess, being or person like you'll say that you don't have love for? Absolutely. I hate Satan. I thought that that would be like the person you had the most empathy for of anyone. Oh, heck no. Really? No, I have no empathy for him at all whatsoever. So there's a difference between being a created human born into a sinful world like you and I versus a fallen angel. Angels, if you fell in heaven, you sinned in glory. You literally fell. You've seen the glory of God and you chose to rebel against that. Insane. You can't be redeemed. You cannot be redeemed if you've fallen from that. So Satan and his demons cannot be redeemed. And because of what the Bible describes as Satan, Satan's three characteristics are to steal, kill, and destroy. He does not have my best interest at heart. Even my, quote, unquote, biggest enemy in this life, in this world, is a human being who is made in the image of God and maybe has been hurt and they're hurting other people, including me. Maybe they've been through something traumatic, but there is hope for them. There's no hope for Satan. Satan does not have my best interest at heart. He's not thinking about repenting. He's not thinking about turning back on his decision. He's not thinking. No, no, no. He's made his choice. He has made his choice. And so who he is, there is zero love and empathy for me and you in there. The same guy that will tell you to do that behavior one more time will be the same guy to tell you, why did you do it after you did the behavior he just told you to do? He's the biggest hypocrite to ever exist in all of life. And I'm glad he's getting to burn in hell one day because that's where he deserves to go. But when, you know, even Christians go, well, aren't you supposed to love your enemies? I'm like, you are totally taking that out of context. I love my enemies. I don't love the enemy. His only plan is to steal kill and destroy. And, uh, yeah, I hate that guy. I'm gonna stand 10 toes down on that. If Satan knows that it'll ultimately be defeated in the end, then why does he fight so hard today? You think? Because he doesn't want anyone else to experience the freedom that he's missing out on. Right. He doesn't want anyone else to experience the temporary glory that he got to experience in the presence of God. He doesn't want anyone to experience it. So you know what he does? He says, I heard this story one time where after Jesus had risen from the dead, he had been crucified and risen from the dead. I heard the story. This guy had a dream. And in this dream, it was like a, uh, the center of a four-way tunnel system. And Satan is standing in the middle of it. And all these demons come from North, South, East, and West. They flood and they meet there and they're cussing out Satan. Like, you're kidding me. Like you told us that we would kill him. You told us that we could do. I can't believe it. You lied to us. You brought us all the way down to hell. We're banished forever. You've confused us. I can't believe that you would do that. And they're yelling at Satan and Satan goes, silence, silence them all. And he says, yeah, Jesus may have defeated sin and death, but not everyone has either. So you know what we'll do? We'll create different denominations and we'll convince people that just because they go to church, that they're going to go to heaven. And we'll actually get different denominations to be mad at each other to a point where people won't want to become Christian just because they think Christians hate each other. And you know what else we'll do? We'll actually plant other vices and desires into people's hearts and into people's ways. So that sears them away from the actual only thing that can satisfy their soul. So he is here to steal, kill, and destroy. He wants to drag us down to the pit of hell with him because he knows that's where he's going. So his whole mission is, well, I've failed, so I'm going to make other people fail with me. Right. We talked about witches, witchcraft, how that would help you conquer the material world. And I think something that's interesting is witchcraft is very close to Gnosticism, which is the worship of the self, which is the same religion Satan himself practices. Would you say that's accurate? Satan worships the self? Absolutely. I mean, he wanted to be greater than God. And that was the biggest, that was the influence in the Garden of Eden. Well, God doesn't want you to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil because he doesn't want you to become better than him. The same thing. So pride is the easiest sin to struggle with and the hardest one to spot in your own life. Now, in witch talk, the witch's TikTok that I think you came across, some former witches have told stories about having sleep paralysis or paranoia after casting spells. Do you think women pay a price for doing witchcraft? That ex-Satanist, ex-occultist guy I was telling you about earlier that I talked to today, he said that, you know, Satan can't create, which is true. He can't create. He only perverts what is good. And so he was describing how, like, in the occult, if you cast a spell, there has to be an exchange. Don't really fully know what that means. But there are repercussions for sin. I don't know what it looks like in the occult world, but there are repercussions for sin. You know, if someone cheats on their wife, there's going to be physical repercussions in this lifetime for cheating on your wife. You may get divorced. You're going to experience a bunch of guilt. Your reputation is going to be ruined. It not only affects you, it affects the people around you. So I wouldn't be shocked if people experience repercussions. What those repercussions are, I have no idea. I don't know either, honestly, because I don't know if there is a spiritual cost. I don't know if it's just the ultimate salvation, like heaven or hell, or if it's like in this lifetime, there's such a thing as like karma, you know? One of your biggest clips on your channel was you and a rapper named Lil Tony describing his experience with the devil. Now you told us about nightmares yourself and have talked previously about like seeing dark figures, but have you ever seen a demon with your eyes open? Only ever seen like, uh, the figure of a demon and like nightmares and dreams and stuff. Like I had a nightmare a couple of years ago. I had literally nightmares for a month straight. And on the last day of the month, uh, the, like the, like demon scratched me in the dream. And I woke up, I had a scratch on my chest. Um, but I have, I've never seen like the face of a demon or anything like that, but I know for a fact they're real. This is a personal question. Cause I've had, uh, dreams like that at times, not ones with physical marks, but like that type of thing. Were you a scared kid? You know, when I was growing up, I would have the occasional nightmare. I feel like every kid does growing up. And then I kind of stopped having nightmares for the longest time. Because for me, and I stopped dreaming a lot from a young age, I would just kind of go to sleep and wake up, you know, and it'd be like, it was just like, you know, like sleep was three seconds long or whatever. But I just remember from a young age, like after I'd had, you know, a few nightmares here and there, I realized that thinking about something positive would help me go to sleep or whatever. And then I went to sleep. And then it wasn't until I started the ministry that I started experiencing a real demonic nightmares and dreams. But now the nightmares that I have are less about demons attacking me and more like real life nightmares. But I know it's spiritual attack. How do you know that? Well, I'm confident, like Satan's whole breeding ground is fear. I don't have to be afraid with Christ. He's trying to make me. Afraid. He's trying to make me afraid to do certain things or be bold in my faith or this and that. So maybe he can make me afraid in my dreams because dreams feel just as real as reality sometimes. And maybe if he can get, he can get me to cower down just because of some reality he plants in my brain, that could stop something that God wants to do. And I've just always been in this place of, I want every ounce of my life to glorify God. And I don't want anything to, you know, I don't want my ego. I don't want any fear to like stop me from pointing people to Jesus. I genuinely think that he's the truth and I'm willing to do whatever it takes to end this life for people to know Jesus. That's really interesting about your story because I would imagine that like you probably have had thoughts about if what you're doing is the right thing, if it's serving God the best way. I know you've said something like, if Jesus tells me to stop, then I'll stop. Yeah. Because it's. Like it's hard to do the kind of stuff that you do and be a good Christian. Like it's easier sometimes to maybe do the whole monk thing, but I know that has its own set of challenges. But what a lot of people might not think about with your work is that like there's also negative evil influences trying to get you to stop doing what you're doing because they don't want the word to get out. Yeah. It's really fascinating. We've both had Tucker Carlson on our podcast. And he's. He's talked a lot about this idea of the most powerful people in the world being influenced by demonic forces. Have you ever had a conversation on your podcast that was just very spiritually dark? 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Ebglis, labrakizumab LBKZ, a 250 milligram per two milliliter injection, is a prescription medicine used to treat adults and children 12 years of age and older who weigh at least 88 pounds or 40 kilograms with moderate to severe eczema, also called atopic dermatitis, that is not well controlled with prescription therapies used on the skin or topicals or who cannot use topical therapies. Ebglis can be used with or without topical corticosteroids. Don't use if you are allergic to Ebglis. You should not receive a live vaccine when treated with Ebglis. Before starting Ebglis, tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. Respect your time. Ask your doctor about Ebglis and visit Ebglis.com or call 1-800-LILLY-RX or 1-800-545-5979. I mean, I've heard a lot of heartbreaking stories. I think the darkest story I've ever heard was Marina Lacerda. She was. Minor victim number one in the Epstein files. We sat down with her. I mean, just brutally dark story before Epstein, during Epstein, and even after Epstein's dark, dark. I just I commend her. I have a ton of respect for her. Yeah, I think that's probably the darkest story I've ever heard. On that podcast, she described his face as looking more than evil. Many other Epstein survivors described his eyes as like particularly demonic. Do you think Epstein was possessed? Dude, I have. I have no idea. He could have been, you know. But you don't have to be possessed to be influenced. And whether people want to admit it or not, evil people are influenced by the devil. And what the Epstein files display. Is nothing short of the demonic. He is just brutal and awful. The stuff that's described in there. It's wicked. It's disgusting. Would I be surprised if he was? No. But I'm like, you know, he wasn't working for Jesus. He sure as heck wasn't working for Jesus. So I don't know who he was working for. He was definitely influenced by the devil, man. Straight up. That dude was a wicked man. There's very few people that you can say about it. But you know what I can also say about it? Is if he genuinely, sincerely came to Jesus and repented for it, I believe he would be in eternal life. Really? I'm serious. Like, I can confidently look at you as a human being that has two eyes and common sense and go, yeah, what he did was insanely evil and wicked and horrible. And it's disgusting. But if he sincerely repented for it, he repented and came to Jesus moments before he passed away, which I don't think he himself, but that's a side conspiracy that I believe. So however he died, if he's dead, if he sincerely came to faith in Jesus Christ and asked for the forgiveness of God, I believe he'd be in eternal life, but only God can make that judgment because he's the only guy that can see a heart. Like, if you ever heard the question, be like, is Jeffrey Dahmer really in heaven? He said he gave his life to Jesus. It's like, I don't know. But if he. If he sincerely did, he'd be there. But I can't open up the hatch, you know, the hood of his life and see, he see his heart in there and go, oh, yeah, he's sincere. I can't look at that. No human being can do that. So do you think a murderer could go to heaven and the person he murdered could go to hell? Hypothetically, yeah. And it's because heaven isn't based on what we do, good or bad. It's based on what Christ has done. So if the murderer sincerely repents and asks for forgiveness. Puts faith and trust in the finished work of the cross, he would go into heaven. And if the one murdered didn't know Christ at all, that's the unfortunate reality. But you never know what people do in their last moments before death. You never know. I've done tons of work in prisons. And some of those guys who have done wicked things have had some of the most powerful faith that has ever encouraged me in my life. So there's some, there's a genuine beauty about coming to sincere repentance with the Lord and letting him move. And your life, you know? Right. Now, everyone who's met a Christian or been to church has heard that Jesus was crucified and took on the wrongdoings, sins of the entire world. But in your view, why did Jesus have to die for our sins? Like, why did he have to die? Well, technically, he didn't have to. If God didn't want us to be with him in a eternal life, we all could have just burned in hell and paid the price for our sin. That's the thing. We don't deserve Christ. So, Christ was a part of the plan before the garden was created. God knew that even though the tree was in the garden and the possibility of them rebelling against God and the sin entering into the world, that that situation could be redeemed through Christ. Christ was already a part of the plan. So, when we're looking at an infinite debt that we have towards God, only an eternal payment can be paid. That's why hell is both a justice system and a choice. It's a justice system because if we've sinned against God and we don't want grace, grace is a free gift that we don't deserve, then we pay for our sin with our own life in separation from God. If we do accept grace, which is letting an eternal price pay for my infinite debt, which we would believe the only eternal thing is God Himself, and He pays the price, then He becomes the bridge. The Bible says, He who knew no sin, talking about Jesus, became sin so that you and I could become the righteousness of God. The standard of heaven is righteousness. It is perfection. You and I are not perfect. So, in order to get to that standard of perfection, we have to be clothed in righteousness. So, when Christ pays for our sin on the cross, we are clothed in His righteousness. We are justified. We are justified to be in His presence because of what He has done. It's either, look, we pay for sin with our own life or we let Christ pay for it and we get an eternity with Him. And that is grace, but grace is a gift that has to be accepted. And so hell is, yes, a justice system because God is a just God. He doesn't let sin slide. It's like arresting a murderer and then taking him to get donuts and letting him free. But it's also a choice because the people that go to hell are choosing to be there because they have made the conscious decision to, I don't want Christ, I reject Christ, or maybe it's blatantly not Christ, I want to live for myself. I want to be my own God. I want to do whatever I want because I know what's best for my life and I don't, they reject Him. And it breaks God's heart, but it's free will and He grants the wish of free will. What I'm confused about from that view is if God is all-powerful, why couldn't He just forgive the sins? Like why did it have to be Jesus dying? Yeah. So when we're looking at the cross and Jesus or God in general being all-powerful, it's like, why didn't He handle it? I don't know why God designed things the way that He did. I don't know why things are laid out the way that He's God. If He's God, He can do whatever He wants. God could have made up morality to be a completely different thing, but morality is what it is because He's God and He made morality morality. But Him being a just God, if everyone was, forced to believe in God, we would be mindless robots being controlled by a dictator. There's no genuine love. How would God know if we actually loved Him? How would we know if we actually loved God? How could we sincerely serve Him to the utmost best of our ability if we don't sincerely love God? I would say it's probably impossible to gauge. So when God designs human beings, I believe with free will, it's not a contradiction to say, well, why didn't He just save everyone? Well, with free will, some people don't want to be saved. Some people don't want Christ. Some people don't want God. They want to be their own God. That's the reality of the sinful nature. The result of this life is because man rebelled, we inherited this thing called sin, and it's not just a literal act. It's the condition of the world. It's why fires happen. Children starve. Wars occur. Immorality exists because of sin. And so, you know, could God have done it? Maybe, yeah. But things are different. Things are the way it are because of the way it is. And Christ understood that justice had to be held accountable. He's a man of His word. Justice had to be served. And God Himself said, I'm going to inflict the wrath on myself instead of my creation because I love them. That's not something you can manufacture. That is incredible love. I just love that. So would you guess it's just that blood had to be shed? Like that that's important to the story? If you look at the history. I mean, like if I'm being completely honest, like did it have to be blood? No, it didn't have to be blood. It probably could have been something else. I don't know why it is the way that it is. Like if someone dies on their deathbed, do they really shed blood when they die? No. But blood was a symbol in the culture at the time during the Old Testament that something paid a price. It costed something. For the sins to be forgiven. An animal's life was taken to cover the cost of this debt. And so when we look at Christ's life being shed on the cross, it costed God something to ransom His people. And that makes me respect God. He could have made it a silly game we play to try to get. It could have been squid games trying to get into heaven. He could have made it however He wanted to. But He kept it just and He followed the rules that He made. He followed the rules that He made. That's an incredible, just God. He's not a hypocrite. Bryce, on your channel, you've prayed for a drug dealer's foot that had been shot. In New Orleans. Yeah. That was in New Orleans. He said the pain went away, right? And you told a guy at a pride parade, you knew his right knee was hurt before he said anything and prayed over it. He said it felt better. Have you ever prayed for someone to be healed? And nothing happened? Absolutely. Absolutely. And I'm thinking of like one scenario in particular that I just like felt so bad about that I was like, oh my gosh. But, you know, ultimately, I believe God can use the supernatural to soft hardened hearts to the reality that God is real, right? Like God used that moment in Wafaa to soften my heart to the reality that He is the truth. But dude, I got convicted early on and I was like praying for people to get physically healed and they would be physically healed. And then I would. And then I would leave and then I would forget to give them the actual antidote to the sickness of the world and the sickness of sin, which is Jesus. And I got convicted. So that's why I've been like more so mainly like gospel focused, answering the questions like that. But like, do I still pray for people to be physically healed? Absolutely. What was the story of the one you said? Yeah. So I'm like laughing because I just felt really bad. It was on Skid Row and there was a homeless guy in a wheelchair and we were preaching to him and he was getting emotional and you could just feel that. You could feel the presence of God and you were just like, wow. And everyone on our team was thinking the same thing. It was like we all had telepathy and it was like, this guy's going to get up and walk. And we prayed for him and he got out of the wheelchair and it was like he was in more pain after he'd gotten up than before I prayed for him. And I just felt really bad because I was like, and you know, that was a situation I never understood. I was like, dang, like I had so much faith that God would heal this guy and he didn't. And then that night in Waffle House, I didn't have as much faith as I do. I was praying that same prayer in Waffle House for other people that I love and I care about and God took away mine and not theirs. And, you know, I've always wrestled with that idea. But, you know, the only thing that I can really come to terms with that is Paul talks about in 2 Corinthians that he had a thorn in his side and no one knows if it was a sin struggle or a physical ailment or whatever it may be. And then at one point he was complaining about it and then he stops and he's basically like, I'm grateful for the thorn because it keeps me humble and reliant on God. Now, that doesn't mean God. It causes that man in the wheelchair to suffer, but God can use his suffering to produce character in that guy. God can use that suffering to keep him humble on him because, you know, who knows if that guy got healed? Same thing with the promotion analogy earlier, that guy might leave Jesus. And so I have to trust that God is going to do what is necessary to continue to reach those people and do what is necessary to give that guy a fair shot. But I felt really bad after trying to get him out of the wheelchair. Yeah, that's, I'd seen another Christian influencer tell a story about that this week. And I was like, I bet Bryce has a really good one about that. I was just curious if in your view, like, do you think a demon can perform a miracle? I mean, would you say that a wealth spell working is a miracle? I don't know, like what a miracle is. Yeah, I would guess I would just wonder how do you define a miracle? Just like. Like a supernatural event occurring because demons are, we're talking about the supernatural world when you're in bringing in demons into the picture. If you're talking about a healing and stuff like that, I don't believe so. But if you're talking about like a wealth spell or a love spell, like that's technically a miracle. So it's like, how do you define a miracle? You know? Right. I think the Google definition would just say a supernatural unexplainable event through like physics or something. That's interesting. Like, I'm guessing there's some Christian people that do miracles that aren't aligned with God and maybe they're channeling something else. But yeah. Yeah, I think. Yeah. you know satan can't create if he has demonic influence you look at the book of job i mean he stripped job away from everything made him sick physically sick killed his children killed all of his cattle took away his money you know i mean again like we're talking about miracles that's what witchcraft literally is magic is it's just a perverted version of the holy spirit just a perverted version right in june you said quote satan might actually give you the platform that you want because he's the devil that's what he wants what does that actually look like like how would someone know if the devil had given them a platform i'd say it's hard for people to recognize when they're blinded by their own pride right but what it looks like to sell your soul doesn't mean to literally like sacrifice you know a human and you know make a blood contract that's not what it looks like to sell your soul is to compromise like if i were to start promoting rain bet i would say i've sold my soul because i've compromised for money i've compromised for something so when people compromise they're succumbing themselves to the devil they're saying you i'm not going to trust god i'm going to do what i think is best for my life or this thing is better i need money i need this so they're selling their soul so i think the devil looks like giving us what we want satan doesn't have a problem with giving us what we want he actually would prefer that everyone take what he offers it's easy to recognize a god door between an evil door it's harder to recognize a good door and a god door that's the hardest difference because satan can offer something that i don't want to do i'm not going to trust god i'm going to do what i think is something that appears good but ultimately leads to your demise god can also think offer things that maybe don't appear good off the surface but in the long run it's the best thing that you could have ever done like god called me to move to los angeles california and i'd never stepped foot in california before in my life and where i was from everyone thought it was going to fall in the ocean so i was like you know i i don't even know if this is the right decision and i've grown more closer to jesus than i ever have in my life being here and i've grown more closer to jesus than i ever have in my life being here and i've grown more and what some people arguably would say is one of the darkest cities in america i've grown closer to jesus here fascinating you know so i think that's that's the hardest part of satan knows what we want and satan's not the red devil the pitchfork and horn sees in a black tuxedo with slick back hair and he knows what we want football is back and prize picks is bringing out their best offer yet on prize picks you can make all the picks you want all in the same app and now prize picks is nationwide lock in for kickoff because everyone and everything is on prize picks what you want download the prize picks app today and 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that because you often hear people say like idle hands or the devil's workshop but yeah i think it's a combination of both right like a sluggish passive person can like probably have an easier time watching porn than someone who's like working out and you know keeping themselves busy to where like they can't be tired and you know scrolling and looking at that's something that they shouldn't be looking at to lead to that place there's like some practical truth to it but i even i think like at least where i'm from i'm from the south my you know my parents are hard-working people i just grew up with this heart blue collar hard-working mentality and sometimes it's just hard for me to turn off turn the off switch off and that can be bad it can distract me from what matters most which is him but i'm doing guys well lord didn't i prophesy your name god look at all the people i reached through videos and podcasts and look at all the things depart from me i never knew you bro Matthew chapter 7. I don't want to get to that place. So try to create balance, create schedule, create rhythm, create good disciplines and godly disciplines. So like, yeah, I think people take two ends of the spectrum. It's either like, well, idle hands, you know, is a playground for the devil. And then the other end of the spectrum, well, it's the Sabbath. You just need to rest. You need to rest. You need to rest in Jesus. Well, God doesn't ask us to be lazy. Sabbath was one day out of seven. I believe in the Sabbath. I think people should rest, take a day to rest and seek the Lord and do life-giving things and whatever that may be. But there's six days out of the week to work hard and do stuff for the glory of God. So I think it's building that rhythm. And honestly, I think a sign of bad busyness is burnout. And burnout happens in one of two ways. It's either you put the wrong fuel in the engine or the engine tries to do something it wasn't designed to do. And I think that those are two big endpoints. For the right reason, or am I being distracted by Satan from knowing the full truth? Because I think I'm doing something good, but I'm exhausted, tired, anxious, whatever it may be. I'm sure that's one that you resonate with in particular. I think it's one I resonate with as well. It's like just being too busy all the time can distract you from the thing that's most important. When you think about your phone, when you look at this from your Christian worldview, do you see demons in this? No, I don't see demons in it. I can't label an iPhone as inherently sinful. You see it as a tool. Yeah, it's just a tool, right? And people can use tools for good and they can use tools for bad. And a lot of people use it for bad and that's why we try to use it for good. Also, I don't have Instagram. I have Instagram on my phone. I have a time limit on TikTok because I don't want to lose my drafts. I don't scroll on Twitter. When people say I look on Twitter, I've literally never opened Twitter to scroll. So I don't scroll. I don't have Snapchat on my phone. Do you have YouTube? Yeah, I have YouTube, but I watch more debate content and Christian dialogue and stuff like that and Mr. Beast. Mr. Beast is great. Yeah, you got to watch that. Yeah, I know. For me, it's just been a double-edged sword. And I'm just like, for me personally, I am not at a place where I can have self-control on social media. And once I start scrolling, it's hard for me to stop scrolling. And if I do have social media on my phone, it either puffs me up with pride or breaks my heart and there's no in-between. And so I've just deleted it off my phone. Do you think it's a sin to not? Try to avoid sin? Well, the Bible would say that temptation is unavoidable in this life. So every time the Bible talks about sin, it says, if you sin, if you sin. But Jesus himself says temptation is unavoidable, but woe to the one temptation comes through. And he says, it's better for you to tie a millstone around your neck and jump in the ocean than to lead one of my little ones into sin. He's saying that the repercussions for leading people into sin is far greater than yourself in the ocean. And he doesn't mean literally some of the ocean. He's saying that sin is graphic as graphic consequences and don't be the one that's offering the bait to somebody. But he recognizes that we can't avoid temptation in this life because we live in a sinful world. Whether you're looking for it or not, you might be tempted with something. I struggle with stuff. I'm a human being. I hate when, or I shouldn't say maybe hate, I just strongly dislike when Christians act like they got it all together. I don't have it all together. I'm a broken human being. I struggle with things. I'm tempted all the time, and I have to constantly lean on Jesus. So we can't avoid temptation. But the issue is not in the temptation. The issue is acting on the temptation. People can be tempted to go get drunk, but if they don't, they're not going to get drunk. And if they don't, they're not going to get drunk. And if they don't drink, does that mean they did something wrong? No. So, you know, people should feel less guilty about being tempted, and they should feel more convicted about what to do when tempted. That's then the question, what do I do when I feel prompted to make a bad decision or blow my whole life up to ruin my tenure, sobriety, or whatever it may be? It's like, I got to count the costs here. Right. That makes sense. I think that's something people don't think about. It's like, I can. Go out to the bar, but I won't drink. But it's like, you probably shouldn't go to the bar. Yeah. This is a hard one for me to ask, but at what point does spreading the gospel, in your view, become selling Jesus? Yeah. You know, money's an interesting thing. Money's amoral. It has to feel in thoughts or emotions. So is money inherently bad? No. When you love your money more than you love God, that's a problem. Greed is a problem. You know, I think praise, energy, and hydration is a prime example of why people maybe have some frustrations around it, which is like, that is our Christian energy and hydration company, and people get upset that we call it a Christian energy drink, but you don't get upset when there's a Christian clothing brand, or you don't get upset when there's a Christian card game. What makes it Christian? The heart behind the brand, the people behind the brand, the mission behind the brand. And, you know, my heart is always going to be. And look, I get it. I can get a glimpse of life, and they make up an entire worldview around a minute and 30 seconds, or they listen to people make a video clip about certain people that don't know me at all. I remember seeing this one video of this guy complaining, you know, saying something about me being a grifter for creating a Christian energy drink. And then he was selling a Jesus plushie on TikTok shop, and it had almost 3 million views. And the caption on the screen said, if you buy this plushie, it will cure your lust. And he makes a commission off the video. Now, let me ask you, Jack, who's being a grifter for Jesus in that instance? I would argue, and I'm not trying to put him down. I'm not selling, if you drink praise energy, it's going to cure your lust. We're trying to put Jesus in retail. We're trying to put the mission of the gospel forth. Our shaker bottle for our hydration has Bible verses engraved in it. You can use it as a conversation starter for the gospel. We take a portion of the profits and give it to mission-based things. And it changes every month because we pray about it and figure out where we want to put it. But on the contrary, Jack, let me ask you this question. If I told you everywhere that we gave money and how much money we gave, you know what people would say? Well, you're not supposed to tell people where you give and how much you give because your left hand is not supposed to know what your right hand is doing. And you're just prideful and you're trying to show off what you give and this, this, and that. And dude, my heart has always been to And so here's what I would say to people. Financial transparency is so important, even for our ministry. If there's a donor that wants to sow into our nonprofit and they ask for our audit, we'll give them an audit of our ministry. I don't even take a salary from our nonprofit, which actually looks worse on the IRS form, but I don't take a salary from our nonprofit. I pump so much personal finances into our mission because I believe that the gospel needs to be heard. And I want people to know Jesus, no matter what it is. And so I get it. Money's an interesting Can Christians be business people? Yeah, I can think that they can be business people, but I think being a grifter for Jesus looks like manipulating people's fate to buy my product in a way that's, if you buy my product, it will cure blank because it's Christian. Or if you buy my product, you know, it's going to expel the demons out of you, or I'm trying to take advantage of someone because of their fate. No, no, no. It's just, if you think products are demonic, support a company that has Christian values, support a company that's going to use your dollars to go towards someone. We spend money on phone bills and things like this, and we have no idea what those corporations are spending our money on. And we like, don't think twice about it. And we complain about products being demonic, or we, you know, label things negative, but then when there's a solution, why are we complaining about the solution? And so, you know, the best thing I'm going to do is, you know, people are always going to have opinions. I'm going to try to be as honest as possible. And last thing, I'm 22 years old trying to reach a generation that's in college debt. And that doesn't have money. And while we try to do our best to fundraise and fund this stuff at the same time, is it wrong to have a business to help fund the mission to keep going? I would say, probably not. But the beautiful thing is I have great friends and mentors and a board that if they see me getting out of line, they can whip me into shape. Because the last thing I would want to do, and I think this is so silly, to get manipulated by money. It's just so silly. Dude, I've seen so much wicked stuff with money. It's unreal. Unreal. Like people complain about, dude, I never talk about this. People complain and have so many thoughts about me and money. But I've seen worse stuff with money behind closed doors from people and from organizations that people love that I've never said a word about. Why? Because in my mind, like, okay, for example, even if there's someone with a wicked motive, Paul says in Philippians chapter one, whether someone preaches the gospel for selfish ambition or preaches the gospel out of pure ambition or for a pure reason, praise God that the gospel is being preached. I know organizations that people have a problem with that are more honest behind closed doors than organizations that people love that are dishonest behind closed doors. Would you say that's usually the case? I've seen people manipulate money. It's just so funny. I've had people offer me ridiculous money to preach places. And I've told numerous people, it's not a money thing. It's a commitment thing. If I've made a commitment to go somewhere else, I'm not going to bail on a commitment because a paycheck's higher. And if I feel like God has called me somewhere, there's no amount of money that could change up my decision because God is a greater deciding factor over money. And I've just seen some wicked stuff with money. And I just genuinely believe God is going to take care of it on judgment day. And so the best thing that I can do is, I can't micromanage a million people, but I can keep checking my heart and I keep making sure my heart is pure because at the end of my life, my resume is going to be my family. And I want to be known as a good husband and a good friend and a good dad and a good leader and someone who is honest and full of integrity. And so, you know, I can only control me, but I've, dude, I've seen some wicked stuff with money, wicked stuff in ministry and it breaks my heart. And yeah, man, it's just sad. I guess on the drink, the one thing I was curious of is because it's like you have a ministry and then you have a brand that happens to be owned by Christian people that happens to have Christian like symbology logos. If you took the cross off your energy drink, do you think it's going to sell less? No, not necessarily. It's not about, um, dude, that's like, dude, if, if I think about this, I use this example. Do you think Bradley Martin is being a grifter by creating a prime protein shake? I didn't know he's doing that, but well, he has a prime, he has a partnership with Logan Paul. They have a, uh, a prime, uh, protein shake. It's got like 32 grams of protein in it. Do you think Bradley Martin is a grifter because his audience is fitness people and he can manipulate his audience to buy his protein drink? Is that wrong? I don't think it's wrong. First of all, I love Bradley Martin. And second of all, if he's in a, if he's in a fitness and he's passionate about fitness and he's passionate about health and he wants to create a tasty option out there on the market that has a good amount of protein in it for a good calorie limit or whatever, praise God. That is amazing. That is amazing. So I think it's like weird when sometimes people are like, well, it's just weird that you're putting the cross. Like I'm a Christian bro. Like I love Jesus. I want to put a cross on it. How many Christian products do you see in retail? When you pass zero. Yeah. When you pass by the drink shelf, there's nothing on there, but you know, we don't have a problem with like throwing up demonic things on stuff or demonic symbols or whatever it may be on products. And so it's like, why are we complaining that Jesus is in retail? It's like the same thing. You know, it, we have to trust that business people that are Christian are going to make wise decisions with money. We have to trust that people in general, people in political power that are Christian, business people with a lot of money that are Christian, pastors that are Christian, we have to trust that they're all going to make wise decisions regardless of what lane they're in. And the funniest thing to me is we hope the worst in people. Isn't that crazy? I'm not saying that about you and me. I'm just saying in general, like we hope the worst. I know when something goes down, my mind immediately goes to the worst possible scenario. I'm a big overthinker. But 1 Corinthians 13 would say, love hopes all things. When are we going to believe the best in people? When are we going to pray that God continues to guide people, that God continues to encourage people and point them in the right direction? And so, dude, I think it's a legitimate claim. I don't get offended when people have like, you know, a problem or curiosity or whatever it may be. I can give a million reasons and a million proofs why, and there's still going to be people that have a problem with it. And, you know, that's okay. The best thing I can do is be as full of integrity as I possibly can and be as honest and as generous as I can. And if anyone has a problem with money and you think you have a problem with money, try to give it away. If you can't give away your money, then you might have a money problem. ZocDoc. Ready to be seen? 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And then like I look into it, I'm like, oh, this is like, like bad for business, like long term because it's cuts you off. From a certain audience, it's less likely to be bought by certain people and like all these things. And I was like, I don't know if I comment on your poster. I was just telling someone about it. I was like, yeah, I don't think he's grifting it because I think they would make less money than if you would just take a cross off the can. I think like in the first five years, like it's not a profitable business typically like, right, dude, I'd like I legitimately don't even know that side of it. I want it. I've had this dream for years. It's taken us years to develop this. And it's like finally coming to fruition. And it's been like, so cool. And it's fun. And I just like, love it. Like, I know ingredients, I know stuff like that. Like, I'm going to do my due diligence, but like how the back end of it worked, dude, I have freaking no idea. Would you? Would you sell it for a billion dollars? If you had to take the cross off the can? You mean like if someone offered me a billion dollars by to take the cross off the can? No, because then the purpose of the drink would be good. Would be cooked. Interesting. Here's the funny thing is like so many people can call me a grifter, but genuinely money does not move the needle for me. Dude, I've been offered money in so many different forms or fashions for many different things. And I've always said this from the get go, you can't buy me. You can't buy me. You just can't do it. You can't influence me to say something financially because of what it may be. Dude, last year, uh, we had a, we, we did our first live podcast tour and one of the venues dropped us because of my beliefs. I wasn't going to not talk about Jesus just so I could stay in your theater. I'll go do it somewhere else. You know what I mean? It doesn't bother me. It's like money just doesn't move the needle for me. It's just like it, it never has. It never will. I'm perfectly content with like, just, I don't know. Loved my wife, loving my family and stuff like that. Like I just, it's just never moved. I don't know, dude, it's just never moved the needle. Right. I wanted to ask you about, uh, dating advice. Uh, you've married your wife, Maddie, the beginning of this year. I just want to say congratulations. Thanks, man. If you had five minutes with Jesus Christ, what would you say to him? Dude, I just think I would weep. Dude, I think I would just cry. Yeah. Would you ask him anything? If I did, it'd probably be why me? Why did you save me? I think that would, if I was even able to utter that, I've just always wondered why me, you know, you know, Jack, so many people may think I have this egotistical view of myself because I see followers on the screen. Yeah. Or likes or views or whatever it may be. Jack, if you asked me how many followers I had on a platform right now, I probably couldn't tell you. I don't care. I don't care. And I don't, I don't know what I would say to him. I, I think I would just sit there and cry. Yeah, dude. I think I would just sit there and cry. Last question. At the end of every podcast, I usually ask people what's the best piece of advice they've ever received. But if all your videos were deleted, every speech you've ever given on stage, every TikTok you ever made, erased from the internet forever, and all you had was 60 seconds, what's the one truth you would say to him? Well, the only truth I would leave to the world is that every human being is drowning in their guilt and in their shame and in their brokenness. And there's no amount of things or substances or sex or porn or money that can satisfy that hole. But there is one antidote to the same disease that every human being has. Black, white, North American, live in Antarctica. Whether you speak Chinese or you speak Portuguese, you live in Antarctica. And the antidote is Jesus. And I would tell him that he died on the cross for our sins and resurrected on the third day. He paid the price for our wrongdoing. He canceled the debt that we owe him. That's forgiveness. And if people can put faith and trust in Jesus, they'll find everything they've searched for everywhere else. But in him, they'll find it in him. And then if you were talking to yourself at 17, before you were saved? You said that. Is there anything else you would add? I'd probably just look at myself and say it gets better. Beautiful. Well, everyone, this has been your guest, Bryce Crawford. This is the Jack Neal Podcast. I appreciate you coming on, man. What are you most excited about right now that you guys are doing? We're on five campuses here in September and October. Pumped about those outdoor dialogues. We're doing that. And yeah, that's about it. 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