Bronze Age Pervert - Episode #307

Olen Shannon Maldonado, käsintehtyjä artesaanitua teitä myyvän jauji-lahjakaupan perustaja. Valitsin Shopify, koska alustoja testa testani totesin sen ehdottomasti yhdeksi helpokäyttöisimmistä alustoista. Minulla oli tärkeää pohtia kehittymistämme tulevaisuudessa. Kaikki myyntiin tarvittavat työkaluut, kuten varaston suunnittelu ovat kätivästi dashboardissa. Aloita ilmainen kokeilu Shopify piste komsi vustolla. Onko tuossa? Ei ole katsotaan? Hyvää seuraavaa, Mikael Malis, hei! Tämä on tärkeää. Tämä on tosi koulallaan jääntöä. Se on myös niin, että ei ole tärkeää, että se on ollut, että se on ollut, että se on ollut, mutta on seuraavaa tärkeää. mitä ainakin tägrassi Space padre täyttämät Floossat ottaa disproportion! Siihen on ta productiona muuta, kun acabista tarvokaan! -Jo marking. i hoiduins. Olen vain minun pyriti saada loppuminen va newruvカンタin. Minlei pitk shed東endeistamme鄒般aa pääsi. Mä olen taas tuli, että kuten on taas tuli, onko on jotenkin järjestelmässä? 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I like ideas him but I don't know him well no. -Well the reason I brought him up with what you just said is one of the big themes of his book and this is his only book was him attacking the concept of Spooks, meaning these concepts of these ideological constructs that we become prisons of. In his view it's things like society or religion or morality and basically you get caught up in these ideas and his view, these ideas aren't real. And we become prisoners all of people tend to be like you were saying earlier, prisons of you know your church or prisons of your government or prisons of your family. And his whole point is that he is unique, their I'm Zagah, he's the one. And there's no one else like him or any of us. And that is basically the starting point for his morality. So he does have some similarities with Nietzsche in that regard. -Yes you can take Nietzsche in that direction, sure. If you want we can talk this. I admire this man Louis Ferdinand Selim. You know this French author from he wrote Journey to the End of the Night after World War One. It was the hipster avant-garde book of its day. And then I recommend for your audience also his other book Death on Credit. He was a man of today would be classified hard right or the far right. But I think there's some misunderstanding in these words because at the time it was, we can talk this later on show she want. But at the time it was the avant-garde of art world was, let's say of that political persuasion. But regardless, he has this line that everything must be dragged through the mud today. Everything must be tarnished to see what comes out on the other end survive. I agree with what you said about a sturner as a strategy, but I would make it less abstract. I'd say today whatever may have been the case in the past regarding religions and so forth political systems, ideologies. Today they are, I think without the question, parodies of what they used to be. They've been put through what I've called a big nude filter. They've been put through a filter and in the modern world. Today it's all. Wait, wait, let me interrupt you. Can I interrupt you? People who don't know what big snooze is. Google it, I'm not going to explain it. But I had in my book the new right I describe what it is and I was shocked that the publisher let me have that explanation in there. And we'll just leave it at that. Go ahead, sir. Well, it's a funny image, but everything has been put today through that filter where it appears to me as puffed up pretense. And so I don't even want to make a general case like you said sturner does about ideologies or religions or group identities as such. Whatever they have been in the past and I do suspect you are right that they were bogus also in the past. But today without a doubt they are forms of vanity. 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Όχι, αν οι δυο μετασκύτερος, γιατί βρίσκεται στη αρθενηλότητα, και βρίσκεται στη αρθενηλότητα, γιατί βρίσκεται στη αρθενηλότητα, γιατί βρίσκεται στη αρθενηλότητα, γιατί βρίσκεται στη αρθενηλότητα, γιατί βρίσκεται στη αρθενηλότητα, γιατί βρίσκεται στη αρθενηλότητα, the full meaning of what I'm talking about because I'm describing a lot of traditional societies and I'm saying that the modern world isn't really modern per se it's actually larping it's role-playing it's reverting to this default nasty condition of mankind which fundamentally wise it disgusting it's because it privileges safety and mere life the preservation of life at the expense of things that are exciting and great and free you know and when I wrote this book in 2018 sorry to keep talking Mike if I may know but when I wrote this book in 2018 some people liked it because I expressed myself directly and with humor and so on and they said okay BAP this is very nice but is it really true and then what happened you know people will say now I planned it no I didn't plan it the pandemic happened which basically I think demonstrated the truth of what I'm saying in the pandemic in my view was a mass sacrifice of the world's use to yeah the desires of disgusting old people who sacrificed the use and also to women frankly especially you know the middle-aged sterile woman who made the pandemic procedures her whole life it gave meaning to her life I saw it in action you know I can't tell you how much joy it brings me to hear you with your accent say the phrase these middle-aged sterile women this reminds me of when I was at Jared Taylor's house interviewing him for the new right and he was just baffled by some of the you know the alt-right at the time and he says to me and I have it on the audio I put on Bookeroo at the bar lego he goes to me the idea in this day and age that Hitlerism would be a model for America is simply fantastic I go you mean crazy right he goes oh yes yes thank you for the clarification yeah it's simply fantastic yes if I could sum up what you said in one sentence kill all boomers yes well yeah I mean you know like the Japanese politician annihilate everything that exists I believe in this you know and I mean some of these things were informed by my early life you know I was born in the East block I don't make secret of that and so I grew up for the first eight years or so of my life in a what was technically a totalitarian society however I remember very clear I had a very happy childhood and around this year I was six years seven years old I was in this big city me and my friends were up to always mischief we had the run of the city we could do whatever we wanted always pranks and so on and even that I found somewhat stifling because there are these old people handing you in but then I moved to to United States and it was very different atmosphere it was in the suburb and the kids told on each other it was a very regulated life and it's gotten only more so over time and I'm shocked sometimes to remember that kids today have nothing like the experience of freedom like like I had and is this this prison world just getting worse and worse you know but I just found you know all due respect to the United States I want to be a patriot to it but I found it to be a kind of hemming in prison life and that's part of why I wrote the book and I think that resonated with many people they had the same experience you know it's just human nature you're being held in a cage let's get back to the show yeah I've been thinking a lot recently to your point about the 1970s and there's a very big narrative what the 80s were and the 60s with you know this kind of idealism that maybe went to Rye is the narrative but the 70s don't really have a story right and it's kind of interesting this whole other than watergate people don't really know what to make of it and one of my favorite movies is this film called Jesus' Son and one of the things that movie speaks to it's also a phenomenal book is that in the 70s it was possible to get like lost you can't get lost anymore right like you have your cell phone you have social media if someone vanishes everyone would know pretty quickly assuming that they have any kind of social network at all but in the set like I remember when I was in high school in the 90s like we would be like okay let's meet at one o'clock at aster place by the cube and you're there at one o'clock you're waiting for your friend if they don't show up you don't really have a recourse maybe you're calling their house maybe you're calling your other friend but you know people who grew up with cell phones in the internet don't appreciate to what extent it was possible to just vanish as a human being and people ask about you like oh you have you heard from Michael whatever and you haven't and this was very much a thing and I think the 70s America itself was lost but to your point you know it's just interesting to me how I always say that when jargon or slang reaches the mainstream it degenerates completely and loses its very specific meaning vox day coined the term midwit which I popularize and a very specific as the thing is when you have a general word specific words are great right because you already have the general word idiot moron okay fine we know what that is midwit specifically means someone who is of marginal intelligence meaning by definition they're smarter than average but think that they're brilliant they think reading Harry Potter or watching the hands-made tales some kind of amazing insights sociology and that they're unique in having discovered this arcana right but now on social media midwit just means moron or jerk and it's like but we have words for moron or jerk like why you destroying this very specific word for this very specific thing and I bring it up because when my friend described the longhouse to me it's he's already lost its meaning as you were saying you described it as this idea that you live in this longhouse where it's run by women and that the soy boy types are enforcing what the women want and it's just effectively a shorthand for subordination to female rule and it's interesting to hear you spell out that that's not it's that's kind of a degeneration of what you actually meant yes it's by the way I'll give you an analogy even though I didn't have it in mind at all when I wrote about longhouse or wrote my book but do you know John Murray Cuddahey do you know this writer he wrote book the Ordeal of Civility which is about the marks Freud and Levi Strauss and he tried to explain how let's say marginal ethnic group in this case Ashkenazi Jews in Europe and he and his mainstream scholar by the way he's not like crazy anti-Semite or whatever you know but they were not the only ethnic group that let's say joined modernity late there were and quite a few others in Europe and they're continuing of course to be many others today all over the third world who let's say they join modernity late this and and so he tried to explain how the thought of let's say Freud or Marx which is often taken by traditionally to be the worst of modernity or the hypermodernity is a modernity taken to its worst extremes but Cuddahey tried to explain how it's actually a desire to preserve pre-modern attitudes within modern society so to preserve the the feeling of the stetl you know the feeling of communitarian togetherness of the Ashkenazi Jewish group within modern individualistic let's say wasp society okay they would not be the only ones they are just the like say Marx and Freud would be just some of the most creative copers to try to reduce that there are other examples from other ethnic groups too and so on I you know I don't mean to be rude on your show and so you're not a bit boring yes I was a charless film but okay but it's but it's it's the same it's the same kind of analogy with with the longhouse again even though I didn't have my January coming in mind but where I'm actually talking about it's this is a reversion to a pre-modern thing I like modern progress I like technological progress I'm not against that and this doesn't mean simply the rule of women it's simply that actually in many traditional especially present-level societies women do have an inordinate social presence you know you're you're you're really kind of triggering me in a positive way because this this whole tracton idea of the wife being like the misdeeds subordinate to the husband is so crazy to me not that I'm saying it's a good thing or a bad thing I'm just saying it's it's completely a historical if you look at Macbeth I mean I mean any of the the Bible you know there's the number of stories where the woman maybe she's not the titular head of the household but there's they have that joke about the husbands the head but the what woman's the neck and what's the head gonna do it up the neck so this idea that based on Basically, she's there cowering from his fists. And yes, sir, she's basically a house slave, is crazy simply because it's not tradition. Like maybe it's the tradition of the 1950s specifically. And that's a blue-pilled vision of the family. But historically, the claim that women, even though maybe legally they couldn't vote or have property whatever, were powerless and subordinate. I mean, we don't have to guess, we have thousands of years of literature describing how people behaved. And look at Zeus, God of God's. He's running in fear from Hera because he's scared of her, because he's having these affairs. And God helping if he finds out, if she finds out. Yes. Well, the Zeus Heras thing is in Homer and others. It's very nice family, domestic comedy. It's kind of harmless and fun-loving, yes. I agree with you, though, on exactly what you're saying. It's the tradcon for audience who doesn't know. The social conservative is the traditional conservative to pretend that the wife in traditional society is totally subservient to husband. It's very false, you're right. I want to, since what on this show, when people know about the feminist or the gynaucracy element of the idea of long house, I just want to emphasize these other parts that it's also disgusting old people. It's also in general risk of worse, neutered males and so on. And when-- Like Macaron. Yes, like Mitch McConnell. I would assume that in the West, today, most politicians are ruled by their wives, actually. I think that's true. And it doesn't matter. In many cases, if you can convince one of these men in private, they will agree with you. And then in public, they will still do the same thing because they're ashamed or afraid of what their wife will think if they do something else. And-- but that aside, I do think that the slum, a universal, let's say, Haiti or the outskirts of Rio de Janeiro, favelas, or such, is very quickly what the entire world is moving to. And that's really the long house. And it's being done sometimes under traditionalist or religious ideals. It's not just under modern socialism or so. And I want to maybe emphasize that in talking to you now that I see this huge danger of whatever the present state of technology is. It's being used by humanity that has proliferated and under the present conditions of democracy, exercises. It's power. It's political cultural power over the entire world. And a reverting mankind back to what would be preservation of me at life, which for anyone who has higher aspirations, experiences that as a stifling prison. And it's this experience partly-- I think why my book resonated with many people. They remember their time in high school and at other places. And it's not as, let's say, modern social conservatives or traditionalist religious conservatives say that the problem is lack of community and degeneracy. They love this word degeneracy that they keep repeating. In high school, for example, if you are a young, intelligent man, especially if you're a white 16, 17-year-old, but not just white, actually, others too, but they fixate on white for a number of reasons we can discuss if you want. But if you are that, it's an in general for anyone, there's a lack of any opportunity for great action. It's a world that tightly geared to brown noses, teacher spets, people who are willing to serve the old, disgusting olds that would, you know, mid-leaged hags and so forth, you know? This makes me-- You know, I'm going to give you a big compliment because when I first came upon your feed, this is when dark enlightenment was a term. So this has been a minute now. And on your Twitter bio, it says, like, was it burned down all the cities, raised the cities? And I had lived in New York all my life to that point. I was like, I rolling. I'm like, yeah, whatever. And I was wrong and you were right because, you know, Austin is still a city. It's obviously, you know, but seeing what has been done to cities systemically over the last five years, seeing that this has been done intentionally, and seeing how much malevolence and depravity emanates from cities. I have very heavily come around to your point of view. And the thing is, which increasing numbers of people understanding, this is all by design. None of this is by accident. It is easily avoidable. There is literally no reason for someone like, what is that guy's name? Jordan Neely in the subway in New York, who was arrested 30 times, one of which was for punching an old lady in the face from literally no reason, not even robbing her, breaking her orbital socket. Another time, he's grabbing a four or five-year-old kid, I think, was a girl on the street trying to kidnap her. In any society with any semblance of decency, you do either of those things and you're done. And because it's not like-- I can even wrap my head around burglary, if you're poor, or you're drug animal, right, or some kind of street violence, gang violence. I can wrap my head around all those things. If you're punching old people in the face and causing them to be your bodily harm, it's a rap. And this is-- even primitive societies understand this. So when you have a society that's ostensibly enlightened and is allowing this to happen, and it's kind of shrugging the shoulders, and what are we supposed to do? It's like, you know exactly what you're doing. And you want this to get worse because it's serving you in a various purposes. Yes, you are talking not just about the pandemic, but the spread of crime and hopelessness and so forth. Yes. Yes, I've seen it happen in cities all over the world. I've been living in Buenos Aires in Rio de Janeiro off and on for more than 15 years. And it's always been a little bit like that there, but it gets worse and worse. And as everyone can see from the example of Buckele in El Salvador, it's easily solvable problem. These are things leftist city councils. I look, I actually don't agree that it's some kind of cynical Mackevellian plot. It might also be that. I don't know. But it certainly just leftist city councils under the ideology of human rights, refusing to just enforce minimum order for you know. Well, the reason I'm saying it's sinister is because they do target people who engage in self-defense. Yes. Well, it's not like it would make more sense to me if they're just like screw it, you know, like the myth of the Wild West. Everyone can do where they want. People killing Southern Street. Well, I'm well too bad for human rights. They're not. They're going up to Calvaryton House and having show trials of Daniel Perry while they're completely strugging the shoulders about systemic criminals. So they are comfortable wielding their power when it serves their purposes. And that's what tells me that it's not stupidity that it's by design. Yes, I think there is something like that by design. I take the city of Rio de Janeiro again. It used to be, it's always been dangerous and crime and so on. But in the nice neighborhoods, the local youth used to beat up people who came in who caused trouble. They practiced martial arts and so forth. And they can no longer do that because these other ones, the criminals can have guns now. And if you are law-abiding citizen caught with a gun, you go to jail, but it's the other guy gets hit with a gun. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, this devolution of cities happening all over the world. But to me, even though the pandemic is supposedly over now, it was a very revealing moment and it destroyed, I think, many cities. And left precisely the kind of people you're talking about to do whatever they wanted. It was selectively enforced also, the lockdowns and so on. Let's get back to the show. The level of rage I feel as a former lifelong New Yorker, because in 2008, there's a bank in collapse, right? We got to bail out all the banks. We got to bid all the banks fine. Let's assume for the sake of arguing if that was necessary to save the economy. I understand that fine. The pandemic hits these family-run stores that have been around for centuries, a century sometimes, who are the bedrock of neighborhoods, who are institutions in different areas, who were the embodiment of the so-called American dream, where someone came over from Sicily. They have a meat store now in Queens that meat store has been there since 1930 passed down from generation generation No one saved these don't save these institutions So to me the level of evil that you're gonna bail out like Lehman Brothers or these other places But these one one by one these amazing institutions that brought character and vibrancy and made these places special Yes, we're allowed to be destroyed with with no remorse is to me just pure malevolence Yes, I think so it's I mean it's done I don't know if you know this Hakkan by the way Mike you used to interact with old fronk to the poster studs Unfortunately, he's not I wish I could find him I hope he's still alive Carmichael a stud Carmichael exactly he used you know, but all of us in frog Twitter. It's very small group But you know we got much media attention even before Trump, but I Stud was in that and we all remember your interactions with him People don't know because this is a deep cut. So stud Carmichael was a Bodybuilder who was on Twitter He asked me to shout him out on Rogan and I said dude like like I need to know who you are Because I don't want to be on Rogan shouting you out and then it turns out you're like a clansman and like because this is Rogan Like this is when cancer culture was a thing and then this then he was like oh you you know So that's what and so I didn't shout him out although I mentioned the shout out Obliquely and I think a lot of people were disappointed, but that was the situation there people don't know Wait, he told you he was a clansman. He was not a clansman. No, no, no, no I said to him dude if before I shout you out I need to know who you are Yes, I was scared. I'm like oh this guy stud Carmichael's great and then like mask comes off like medium matters looks him up And it turns out he's a clansman and I My whole career's ruined you should I mean? Yes, yes, no he was a humanist. We all are in that small group none of us are clansmen But he he was also a genuine almost professional bodybuilder Amazing physique, but amazing also a humor anyway Yes, the problem With the cities that you're mentioning the deliberate destruction of these cities You see this almost all over the world. I guess you can say it's deliberate whatever it may be it's I don't know if it can be Solved in any of the Not in your future Well, the things that post the left and right are saying about this is but it's okay Let's not get into politics unless you want to but you know, but I mean this remind like let me ask you your thoughts on a Tweet of mine and I think you're obviously gonna agree but I'd love to hear your thoughts on it You know in the same way that World War one and the totalitarian state that Woodrow Wilson because of the Great War was in a position to impose on America That led the way for the New Deal because it's like we just did this there was an emergency there the Great Depression's even bigger emergency And frankly it is a bigger problem the Great Depression the Great War like let them fuck off in Europe But it's one out of four people's out of work and the people want to work So that is to me is even as an anarchist even is more justifiable But I tweeted out that the the lockdowns have given some very evil people some very useful information About the limits of Americans not just American but American And what people put up with before you know, they start to turn and It's I don't I think that's indisputable Yes, it's all over Michael, you know, it's I think Friedrich Hayek said People who didn't live before 1914 don't really know what liberty means. Yeah, I mean it's Yeah, they left this image of the past as this very authoritarian place the opposite the opposite of the truth and probably the middle ages was was far freer than Anything that came after 1800 if these people are interested in this argument There's a great libertarian quasi. I wouldn't call him anarchist but libertarian philosopher Bertrand is Juvenile a follower of Tokfil who makes this argument in his book on power about how I mean Tokfil just casually refers to it too as the middle ages was just an arrow freedom, you know and Hapa talks about this a length as well Yes, Hans Serbenhoppe. He's yes, he talks this. I think it's true And what you're saying I'm very worried that they will do this now with climate bullshit and climate lockdowns which Certainly parts of the so-called elite are already planning and the reason I say it's all over is because I was astounded to see people's All over the world submit to yeah, and and Hey, that maybe they're just fans of yours. You keep telling people they must submit and look they did Exactly, yeah Bill Gates is the real nature and I know this stupid argument, but But you know like it's people who you would not expect to submit also that was a bit shocking so I have a friend who's in Peru. He's kind of Weird esoteric Hitler is hippie. I mean, it's it's harmless. You know, he believes in UFOs and this and he decided to go to the jungles of Peru to do archaeological freelance research and so There is actually many unexplored Ruins in certain parts of Peru and so he lived the kind of Indiana Jones lifestyle and he gave me news from From like a jungle Peru, you know Chacha poyas and that region in the jungle of mountain Amazon jungle Peru and then the Pandemic came the lock times and from the popular stereotypes you think oh people like in Peru would wouldn't mind they Unruly third world people that are not going to follow directions. Well Those kind of countries had some of the worst lockdowns because people were convinced that the virus travels two miles like a missile He's seeking missile finds you they live in absolute terror Argentina the same. That's one of the worst Things that I've seen Buenos Aires had One of the most amazing very nightlife Anywhere uncontrolled by police multiple levels. It never ended and then all of a sudden it was all wiped out because the people all submitted to this Meanwhile The Icelanders who you think oh are uptight Nordics who are rule following up I actually spent the beginning months of the pandemic in Iceland. I went there in in May 2020 and nobody Mike nobody was following any of the directions. It nobody was running masks I was supposed to be under so called quarantined for two weeks, but Nobody checked on me, you know, I walked in the mountains and Yes, Scandinavia isn't a monolith Iceland has been ruled by the right of center interpendence party I think forever it was the first time that the social democratic it came in You know, I think was either was right before or as a result of them going bankrupt So you know people have this idea of Scandinavia as being this kind of hardcore social democrat thing In some cases that's true, but in some places they're also the ones to liberalize Because they saw the consequences of this so it this kind of Bernie Sanders mythologizing of Sweden and Norway and Iceland It's not analogous to reality Yes, actually Sweden is famous so-called socialist paradise in the maybe 60s and 70s But by the late 90s they had reformed and got rid of those and Iceland By the way should be credited since we're talking about the pandemic It should be credited for ending the pandemic restrictions. They are the first ones who for a long times were saying We don't believe that science doesn't back up the practice of lockdowns or vaccine mandates and we're going to end this and we're ending this And you know, it's a small country, but no one can accuse it of being fascist or retrograde or whatever Right So they really then Denmark and the Scandinavians really single handed I think ended the stupid lockdowns much earlier than otherwise By the way Since you're an anarchist you do you like the Icelandic free state model and so on with the You know the Vikings basically no state at all, you know Yeah, there's a great book about this called Viking Age Iceland. So the thing Okay, you're you're triggering all my my button So one of the things you always get as an anarchist is like give me an example when anarchism has worked And if you point to something they've never heard of and of course don't think they've heard of is on their television It's never worth in their television. It's therefore it's never worked in real life or under screen at least And Viking Age Iceland was an example of this, but then very fairly They'll say well this was like a tiny homogenous island nation, you know like 600 years ago So I think they're correct that it's not a good Analysis example over contemporary times of an anarchism would work Yes I mean do you think it would work now? I don't know This is I don't mean to put to put your own spot I'm not putting on the spot. No, I we could have this long conversation At any point, but I do think it would work It would certainly work because you have things like Bitcoin It's the whole concept of anarchism as I would envision it is having citizenship based on not based on geography. So an example of it is if I go to London as an American citizen, as an American diplomat, I'm still under American law, to some extent, and there has to be some interaction. An example of anarchism or how it would work is what happens when a Canadian kills an American in Mexico. I don't know you don't know, but we do know that there's some system in place. So instead of it having, you know, be just based on geography, this is kind of landlines technology in a post-self-owned world. So your security could travel with you as opposed to just what happened to be between two rivers, so you're under the auspices of some different, you know, wacky regime. Yes. I know such theories. I'm sympathetic to what you and Moldberg and other, let's say, tech to libertarians and anarcho libertarians say, but I think nobody would listen to your advice or mine. And so when I say I'm not a different man. Yes, everything must be annihilated when I say that I hope to reach a small group of people who love freedom and convince them maybe that they should not sacrifice their lives for these, again, what you call them spooks, yes, these kinds of group identities and defunct states. And they should form instead mafia's. My co-location to mafia's. Well, as Turner calls them, coalitions of Igo as I believe. The point is, it's, you know, people, I'm not in favor of, people are always like, you're never going to convince a majority. It's not about having a majority, it's about having an alternative. All it takes is Elon Musk buying Twitter. If he had had Twitter and ran it like he's running it now when the lockdowns and the quarantines were happening, you can't deny or anyone can't deny that it would have played out very, very differently. So even if it's a small, like even a Vermont, you know, it becomes an ecosystem like that, you don't need the people like, well, how are you? There are countries right now that don't have a military, right? So if they're like, oh, well, the US is protecting it. Fine. If you have a little anarchist area and the US is protecting it, I don't care. I'm fine with that. And I think it's going to be, like you said, there's going to be, I think more and more of a division between people who think like this and see themselves, their lives as something worth living as people who are committed to thriving in, you know, and everyone else, HLMankin has said, and I'm 100% confident you'll agree, the average man does not want to be free. He merely wants to be safe. And he wants to understand this that people are desperate to get back, like when your dog goes to their, his little crate at night, he wants to be in that crate. And one of the big lies were taught in our Prussian based schooling system here in the States, at least, is that deep down everyone is basically the same. This is completely crazy. Has no relation to reality. And I mean, people basically want to be, I don't even think everyone who wants to be happy at that fundamental level. So once you disify yourself of that notion, you stop wasting your breath trying to persuade everyone you meet, especially your family, and start realizing, all right, we're in a position now where in my view, thanks technology, you can really make an impact and make things happen. So instead of trying to persuade everyone to vote Republican, you can be an exemplar and live your life to the fullest. Yes. Yes. No, this is true. You mentioned Twitter. I think Elon has good intentions, and I think it would be a good thing if he had owned Twitter during the lockdowns, as you say. But I do think that what's going on with internet broadly since the early 2000s is that after World War II, there was very controlled media environment in United States and Europe. Certainly, I am, of course, in the East Block too, but completely controlled media environment, a few things. And then the internet came and that kind of got broken. Yes. It got broken without authorities being aware of it. And so ideas started to spread and picked up, especially in the late 2000s and early 2010s. Can I interrupt you? Yes. Correct. A little bit. Yes. I would put it a little earlier because we had something in the States called the fairness doctrine, right? Yes. And the fairness doctrine was like, if you have a radio show, you have to have, if you have like liberals, you have to have conservatives, something like that. So basically what you'd have is you have some shit lib. And then you have really enough buckling, right? So there's your range of allowable opinion. When the fairness doctrine was repealed in Carter, Reagan, I'm not exactly as implemented, you could say whatever you want. Rush Limbaugh comes along. He's at that point hard right, right? He's clowning the regime. He's in many ways clowning the Republican Party. Yes. And that led the way to the internet where it's like, wait a minute. Why are we having this overt in window? Jimmy Dore was on my show and he had this great joke. He goes, if you watch CNN, he's not even a joke. I'm sorry, he had this great comment. He goes, if you watch the CNN, the range of opinion is, should we bomb the hell out of Syria or bomb the fucking hell out of Syria? There's the range of opinion. So now, and I'd like to hear you pick up where you left off, with the internet, it's completely off to the races. Yes. And I think Rush Limbaugh, whatever, you know, some people say they disagree with the influence of it. He's an amazing performer and he's very shrewd, man. And I like very much microsavages of performers from the 1990s. Can I tell you something? Someone was tweeting at me for four years, a boomer, four years, saying, are you ever going to apologize for making fun of Rush Limbaugh when he was dying for up cancer? I don't remember doing that. I would do it because it's funny, even though I like Rush a lot. It's just like, okay, let's go for the shock humor. And then some point out to him, he was thinking, if not Michael Balles for Michael Savage. So for four years, this boomer was tweeting at me to apologize. And then he's like, you're right, I'm so sorry, I feel so stupid. I don't even care, you know, Michael, about these people's opinions. Michael Savage is just an amazing radio performer. And so is Phil Hendry, and the repeal of the fairness doctrine, as you say, had had a lot to do with it. Michael Savage, by the way, for people who don't know, he's been talking about illegal immigration since the early 1990s. And Trump went on his show quite a few times before running. I think he, more than an end-culture, is if you want to, I think Trump is his own man, but if you want to praise any one media figure for promoting Trump and Trumpist ideas, it's Michael Savage. But I think the internet spread a lot more heterodox ideas in 2010s and so forth. Beth, can you imagine Moldberg trying to do a piece on CNN or Fox, like trying to talk in soundbites? My God. Yes, I mean, but this is, but this is what I'm getting to Michael. This is the problem though, that we got a lot of media attention, especially with Trump, but even slightly before. So I would say the heyday of internet freedom thought was 2014, 2015 or so, right before Trump. And then because of the media attention on us, and you can call us hard right, far right, whatever, but the things that were going on on the internet were very different from the previous models of whatever you want to call right wing before. Yes. Which are completely powerless, the David Duke thing, that's complete, hokey bullshit, you know. And then because of this media attention, we got flooded flooded with re-sports, okay. And now we're absolutely flooded with this is what I've been trying to sorry for long time. I do call you next book that flooded with re-sports, sure. Yes, because I mean, I don't want to make it a polemic, but this is what's happening to online now. And it's not Elon Musk's fault. He's probably unaware of it. But what you are seeing right now is so called dissident thought and right wing thought on Twitter is not what was around on 2015. And if it had been, we wouldn't have gotten anywhere. And I'm glad you said this independently because I'm like, I feel like discourse has gotten much stupider, right? Yes. And I was on Tim Kass, Tim Fulshow on April 1st and someone calls in and I am Jewish and they go, Hey Michael, Christ is King. And I think they thought I would like, like, recall like a vampire as if I don't have many born again, Christian friends as if I have some kind of secret disdain for Christianity. And also that is so secret that as soon as I hear these three words, instead of 14 words, I'm going to, you know, turn into a puddle. And it's just like the lack of empathy in the sense of understanding other perspective, thinking that this phrase is going to cause me distress. It's just like, this is just so dumb. Well, let's assume that the guy was just a patty who said that, but I suspect that the origin of that meme is an hypha Israel, Michael, and in Texas with the Wilkes brothers who are in saying like Jews for Jesus types, you know, and like the whole thing is, has been crapped on by religion, the so-called, I will not be popular with much of the right for saying this, and it's not just so-called, I don't actually, by the way, I'm honest when I tell you these are my sincere things, I don't think they are actually Christian, I actually do think it comes out of hypha Israel and I can explain that to you why I think that if you want. Please, but it's not just them, it's Orthodox Jews, it's Muslims, it's, you know, the entry of religion into the so-called right recently has completely been up the whole space, where it's becoming useless, I mean there are still good posters, you know, you are there frog Twitter, whatever is left of it, some of it is there, but overall, Elon Twitter has become completely infested by morons, you know, and so I don't have very optimistic view of what's going to happen now in 2024 because of it. I have to ask, what's your deadlift PR? No, I don't do deadlifts, you know, I follow a different path, I don't do deadlift, you can now you can attack me for that. I'm not, I don't attack anything. But I should say to you, people, you know, I don't talk about lifting it all in my book, you know, oh, I'm not saying anything. And I don't talk about so-called masculinity in my book, I don't, this is just people who don't read me or don't know what I said there, it's, I hope it's not even on Wikipedia, but my book isn't even about that, it's again about this experience of the island prison and the presentation of a different way of life that was present in aristocratic warrior society, not only in Europe, excuse me, although it was, you see that, doing this to my throat, although it was primarily present in Europe since let's say the Bronze Age, but it's not just in Europe, it's also on the step, it's in various other parts of the world, among the Tutsis, it's the aristocratic spirit, which I try to present not in a historical way, but in what that would look like transfer to day into the experience. How do you say that you're not self-help in the sense that if you tell people just the two sentences, you live in a prison that you don't realize and you don't have to, I think that's as self-help as it gets. Yes, in some sense, but look, I do a girl once, she was this kind of annoying little girl, but she put her spiders web around me and I was with her for a while, it was terrible, but she'd say things like, oh, I love giving advice to people, so I would tell her there's a line from an ancient philosopher, Diogenes Lertius, who is a biographer of philosophers, has this line, I forget, I think it's antisd these or someone like that, I forget exactly, it's either him or or Aristypus, but it's a line, he says, "Ask what is the easiest thing in the world?" He answered to give advice and I concluded this and she's like, "Oh yeah, yeah, sure, like she thought that was a good thing." No, it's the easiest thing in the world because it's useless, right? You can't give somebody advice unless you know them, you know that abilities, that desires, that background. Yes. I had, I was at a dinner with Elon recently and I was talking to someone I knew and she says, "Oh, just be quiet and don't start to cause trouble." And I'm like, "I don't need your advice, you're in on a position to give me advice and this is the stupidest advice." You know what I mean? Every room that you're in, every single person there would have an opinion and you need some criteria for determining who to listen to and who not and the person to listen to is the one probably you're going to have to pull teeth to get them to give you advice because they know their advice is valuable. Yes, exactly. It's one of the most annoying things. I know an East Block country, actually the one I'm from, you know, I don't want to say. But if you go there, you talk about Jim, right? If you go there to a gym in that capital city, you will get unsolicited advice. I've never seen this in any other country. No, no, you're wrong. It's from the Soviet Union, Ukraine specifically. One reasons I can't be around them. Even the fucking cab driver. Oh, you should learn to speak Ukrainian. Bitch, you're driving a cab. Who asked you? Yes, I know this attitude very well. It's extremely annoying. It's part of why I hate the idea of giving self-help. But yeah, if you've been in the general sense, yes, I wanted to show people that there was a different path in life as such. I mean, even physiologically in life. I can get into that if you want. But, you know, default humanity is the slum, but there is another path in history which is the small brotherhood of warriors. That's only existed in very few places. Japan, parts of Europe, a very small part of Africa, parts of the Americas, and in which not young men as such, but young warriors manage to take help control of their society. That's the only reason humans have evolved beyond grass-hot and such. You know, Ein Rand has in the fountain head this great speech at the end by Howard Rourke, and it opens by saying thousands of years ago, someone discovered how to make fire. He was probably burned the stake that he taught his brothers how to light, but he still moved humanity forward. So that is exactly the kind of thing I think that you're talking about. And I thought also what I really appreciate about your message as the author of the White Pill is that it's very easy to look at the longhouse, to look at the prison walls and be like, well, it's a wrap. Even if it's a wrap, broadly speaking for the West, I don't think it is, that does not mean at all that it's a wrap for you as an individual, especially as a young person. You have the capacity to do greatness on your own terms. And I think more people need to hear that message because it's so easy to just shrug your shoulders and be like, well, we're not going to win because the majority doesn't agree with you. The majority never has and never will. And that's irrelevant. Well, yes, for the world of greater disorder actually could present some greater opportunities. But it's again, we were talking about the influx of people on Twitter and in the dissidents so called circles in general. And yes, it's these people who try to move focus away from the fact that the best man end up being hand in living in a straight jacket in a kind of prison. And they say, no, the problem is alienation, atomization, the fact that you don't have community or this word that you might see if you go online degeneracy, degeneracy, degeneracy. You mean racism? You mean that I don't like it? Yes, there are only objection really to the left is that they don't have the right kind of speech codes and such. And so it's the steadiest thing. And at its worst, it will trap men who love honor or who want something into, you know, there's a kind of amish lifestyle. You may have seen this online. You need to abandon the cities and live in a hover, growing mushrooms in Montana or so forth. But anyway, yes. Bap, running out of time, what has been your favorite part of this interview? Well, I liked when we talked about reminiscences of the East Block. If you want, we can keep going on that. You are welcome. [Music] and start screaming "diamain streaming now."