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Speaker 2CBN Pelo Mundo, with Bruna Santos.
Speaker 3Bruna Santos, directly from Washington, with us on Friday, on our CBN Pelo Mundo. Hi Bruna, good afternoon. Hi guys, good afternoon. How are you doing this week, quite calm here in Brazil, how are you?
Speaker 4Look, here's the technology. It's calm, what about you?
Speaker 3Here we are, loaded for the weekend, according to Fernando.
Speaker 2Bruna, let's go, I've already mentioned here that we're going to make a relationship between three important events. The Bricks Cup, which happened, the General Assembly of the UN, the discussions are already happening, but there are the speeches next week. And right after that, we'll have a visit from Xi Jinping and Donald Trump. What connects all of this?
Speaker 4So, I think these three events, they count. They are two different parts of the same story, because what connects the three is, I think, the thesis that, yes, the world has more power centers, but it still doesn't have a new order that organizes it, right? We are obviously in a context of fragmentation, in which everyone already knows that the old order that had the United States as the main center of gravity is dying, but the world is not. So, I think we're going to make a connection between the two. So, I think we're going to make a connection between the two. But the world still hasn't created a new conception of this new, of this order, and this is still forming, emerging, right? The Bricks, which had the Cup in New Delhi last week, is a space that has increasingly consolidated as a space for countries to create alternatives and mechanisms to protect themselves from American unilateralism. So, more and more, these countries are seeking to create instruments for this. So, more and more, these countries are seeking to create instruments for this. So, more and more, these countries are seeking to create instruments for this. So, more and more, these countries are seeking to create instruments for this. So, more and more, these countries are seeking to create instruments for this. The UN, which today meets in its General Assembly and next week has the meeting of leaders, where everyone speaks, is still a space to define these rules and these principles and seek some legitimacy of rules and principles in this international order. And Washington, I think next week, also, on the 24th, will be the stage of the meeting between Trump and Xi. And Washington, I think next week, also, on the 24th, will be the stage of the meeting between Trump and Xi. And Washington, I think next week, also, on the 24th, will be the stage of the meeting between Trump and Xi. And Washington, I think next week, also, on the 24th, will be the stage of the meeting between Trump and Xi. I think it's a meeting that happens right after these two events, it shows that, well, these two powers, they still somehow condition a good part of what happens in the world. One thing I found interesting, Fernando, looking at the BRICS, is that what happened and what has been happening is that, more and more, especially after the expansion, the BRICS, they don't show themselves as a cohesive block. They don't show themselves as a cohesive block. anti-USA and much less a kind of anti-Western NATO, especially because China and India are in this group, but they have divergent goals. China wants, of course, to project influence, but India avoids the group from openly turning into a hostile group to Washington. So this group is a group that doesn't necessarily have a project, it does have a desire to avoid greater risks of American unilateralism and create a financial and economic infrastructure for that. And then I think the results of the last couple are interesting to look at, which are very pragmatic results, maybe they haven't given so much attention to the media, but they are interesting things, such as, for example, the incentive to trade in local currencies, which is something very different from creating a new currency, a BRICS currency, or to integrate the Indian PIX, which is called the PII, with the Brazilian PIX. This creates a possibility of relationship between the countries that is very interesting. In addition, the summit happened, Brazil didn't go, it was in India. The summit happened, Brazil didn't go, it was in India. The summit happened, Brazil didn't go, it was in India. The summit happened, Brazil didn't go, it was in India. The summit happened, Brazil didn't go, it was in India. The summit happened, Brazil didn't go, it was in India. The summit happened, Brazil didn't go, it was in India. The summit happened, Brazil didn't go, it was in India. The summit happened, Brazil didn't go, it was in India. The summit happened, Brazil didn't go, it was in India. The summit happened, Brazil didn't go, it was in India. The summit happened, Brazil didn't go, it was in India. As I said, there was India and China looking at divergent goals. And the next week, at the UN, what we will see is, very likely, a moment in which Brazil speaks, who opens the meeting. And the next week, at the UN, what we will see is, very likely, a moment in which Brazil speaks, who opens the meeting. And the next week, at the UN, what we will see is, very likely, a moment in which Brazil speaks, who opens the meeting.
Speaker 3And the next week, at the UN, what we will see is, very likely, a moment in which Brazil speaks, who opens the meeting. And the next week, at the UN, what we will see is, very likely, a moment in which Brazil speaks, who opens the meeting. And the next week, at the UN, what we will see is, very likely, a moment in which Brazil speaks, who opens the meeting. And the next week, at the UN, what we will see is, very likely, a moment in which Brazil speaks, who opens the meeting. And the next week, at the UN, what we will see is, very likely, a moment in which Brazil speaks, who opens the meeting. And the next week, at the UN, what we will see is, very likely, a moment in which Brazil speaks, who opens the meeting. And the next week, at the UN, what we will see is, very likely, a moment in which Brazil speaks, who opens the meeting.
Speaker 4And the next week, at the UN, what we will see is, very likely, a moment in which Brazil speaks, who opens the meeting. And the next week, at the UN, what we will see is, very likely, a moment in which Brazil speaks, who opens the meeting. And the next week, at the UN, what we will see is, very likely, a moment in which Brazil speaks, who opens the meeting. And the next week, at the UN, what we will see is, very likely, a moment in which Brazil speaks, who opens the meeting. All of this is driven, of course, by their electoral calculations, which ignore the consequences of this for Brazilian stability. This is not abstract, we saw last week here in Washington also, the son of former President Jair Bolsonaro was here, just that week, defending that the United States return to impose sanctions on members of the Brazilian Supreme Court. So you see an internal crisis and the Supreme Court directly placed within the bilateral relationship. On the other hand, there is a group, still small today, with much less power, which is a pragmatic institutional group, which is concerned with the predictability of Brazilian legal security. But this group, as I said, it is not so close to the power nucleus, and it is a more silent group, it is in a space compass. To understand how Brazilian institutions will absorb this shock, which we know is a tremendous shock, and how it goes, understanding that, well, it is a Brazilian issue, especially, a question of Brazilian society, to understand what will be of us after our Supreme Court passes through such an explicit demonstration of its crisis of legitimacy, right? So I think there is this vision. dois grupos, mas o primeiro grupo é, hoje, claro, o mais forte, sobretudo na sua influência, e é o que está, como eu disse, sentindo o cheiro de sangue na água. Mas há dúvidas sobre como agir, porque não se sabe muito bem como o eleitorado brasileiro vai reagir. Mas acho que a pergunta dolorosa, Fê, é o que que acontece... O Brasil está atravessando uma eleição muito disputada, quando justamente a instituição que poderia moderar, arbitrar os conflitos eleitorais, chega nesse momento com uma credibilidade muito desgastada. E a maior democracia da região, que normalmente faz o reconhecimento dos processos democráticos, e é importante o reconhecimento internacional dos processos democráticos, está sendo hostil a tudo o que está acontecendo. Acho que essa é a grande preocupação. Mas é isso, as crises acontecem, e as crises também podem levar a correções institucionais. Vamos esperar que esse seja só um sobressalto que nos leve a uma maior maturidade.
Speaker 2Tomara.
Speaker 3Bruna Santos, conosco às sextas, a partir de Washington, no nosso CBN Pelo Mundo. Obrigada, Bruna. Um beijão pra você. Até a semana que vem. Tchau, tchau.
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