Brick for Brick w/ Paige Paul

>> Hey, everyone, I'm Morgan Stewart and welcome to the Morgan Stewart show. I'm going to be talking about pop culture, fashion, my personal life. And just a warning, I will be giving my opinions on everything. And those opinions are subject to change. Okay. Now, let's get into it. >> Paige Paul, welcome. Can I tell you something? We've been kicking off camera for the last what 25 minutes. I have such a crush on you. I'm so grateful that you're here. This again worked out because we became Instagram friends when, like, before my wedding, like, so what, two, three months ago, maybe like, five? Oh, we're like official. Yeah. Okay. It's been a minute. Yeah. Okay. Five months. We've been DMing. And then again, I always like tell my audience like how people came on. And it was literally like, will you come on? You're like, I'm coming on. And the booking was two seconds, which is the best fucking energy in the entire world. You're in Wrangly today, which is really kind. It's really nice. Thank you. It's truly, really fun. I also, what I love about your clothes is very joyful. I feel like fashion needs more like fun. And I feel like, I mean, I really mean it. I appreciate that. Classic, but with a modern twist, which I think is needed. Let's write that down for the copy of Wrangly because we have literally tried to come up with all these fancy words. I'm sure you deal with this with dairy boy. Like, it's always like this sort of like chat. Like, we are this. We are not this. And I'm like, can we? How do you like make something feel like a feeling and what you said is right? Oh, it is such a feeling. You just want people to feel it. Yes, I think that it's really important. Like the brands, they always say a brand is what other people say it is not what you say it is. So it's good to like talk to people about the brand. Okay. So like me telling you that I think the clothes are joyful or if you go around and talk to people about it, I think we'll give you very like a clear description. I think that I probably need to spend more time with you one on one because no one has told me that. And I know I think we really were really sort of like figuring out as we go. This is not about me. But like, it's one of those things like something comes together. You have an idea for it. And then the brand has sort of gone off in these different categories. Like, I feel like dairy boy is. Well, for dairy boy, we were going to start with dairy boy because I have so many other questions. Like, I first of all want to ask you like, we'll go with the science first. Yeah. I feel like we need to have a some some structure because we're going to go off the walls. You did. I'm like beyond like squirrel. I am going to move around this seat, which you're doing really well. This is kind of a funky chair. I sat down and I was like, literally, okay, home or something. It's like our blunt rotation mom. Oh, by the way, mom's here. I have lots of questions for mom. I'm going to like throw you in because if we sat back, we'd be weird. I just need to like lock in lock it. No, you're doing great. Okay. First of all, do we know we are son? Yes. Okay. Okay. I have it too. I have it too. I I really do believe in this stuff. It's real. It's so real. Yeah. Honestly, it became real to me when I looked it all up and asked chat to give me a paragraph about it. Is this the first time you've ever looked up your chart? This isn't. Okay. I looked it up and then didn't do anything with it. Okay. But I was like, oh, this is me. And then I looked up a few other people in my life. And I was like, this is really interesting and feels really real. Okay. Is this co star? This is chat. I just asked. Oh, chat. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Aquarius son. Yes. Capricorn moon. Yeah. Scorpio rising. So you're scorpion, which let me tell you the craziest thing right now. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. And your cap your Venus is in Capricorn. So you're very loyal. We went over your man and he's a very loyal person. I was just talking about this in glam. You could be like, honestly, a bitch or like not a bad person, but you could be like a and if you're loyal, I don't give a fuck. But also, it's not only your Venus sign is in Capricorn, which is an extremely steadfast loyal sign. So is your moon. So your moon is how you feel things and how you process emotion. My mom's a Capricorn, my step, my mother-in-law's a Capricorn, that Capricorn energy, you're a great judge of character. You don't fuck around if someone fucks you. I mean, you know who someone is. Oh, if someone fucks with me. You're done. But the craziest thing is that you're Aquarius son. So I have questions about how you were as a kid. Like, were you a little weird and standoffish? I was definitely weird. I didn't say standoffish. I wanted everyone to like love me and be friends with everyone. Okay. Creative. Yeah. Yeah. Creative. But in not in the way of like, I wasn't like painting, but creative problem solving, I would say. Okay, because then you're also Scorpio rising. My daughter is Aquarius son, Scorpio rising. And I we have talked about this all morning and for the last two weeks. Also, we have a little audience today. Everyone's here today. My daughter, those fucking eyeballs that are in your head are in my daughter's head, these blue, sparkling eyes and everyone who has a Scorpio rising has these has these eyes. So at first when I looked up your chart, I was like, is is it the Aquarius or is he at the Scorpio rising? And it's like Katy Perry has these eyes, like a lot of people. Scorpio rising. Everyone has these eyes. I also was like, I didn't realize I was Scorpio rising, but I love Scorpios. Very loyal also. Yes. So I was actually excited when I saw that. I feel like they get a bad rep, but I like intense people love also something that's interesting about me. I don't know if you could tell me about me. Okay. No, please, I'm here for this. But I am I hold grudges, but also at the same time, if someone comes to me and falls in the sword, like I'm thinking of like if I just in my head of like some girl who like did some really horrible shit to me to something come to mine specifically. Yes, but I can't talk about it. Okay, fine. Like we don't need to. So it's weird. Like I hold grudges, but I also like if someone falls on the sword to that extent, I will forgive them. Is it because you don't want to have conflict because it's inconvenient to like hold that or is it because you want to rebuild with someone? It's not I would never rebuild with her. Okay, so it's like high and high from that point forward. Yeah, but I also would just like I think that it's in our industry. It's like just nice for everyone to get nice and support each other, even if it's. Yeah, have you found that people I feel like even in my own instances with people like people have just gotten so much more serious about themselves and so much more. Yeah, about more podcasts. Yeah, it's not that fucking serious. And in my real life, like I am the least serious person. That's what I'm saying. Like I just feel like everybody. I mean, we're dealing with all sorts of different personalities like from the biggest stars in the world, as of lately, as of two weeks ago, and then sort of more influencer. And it just feels like the amount of effort and like protect like it's just not that series. You're coming on a podcast for an hour. This isn't like a trying to get your podcasts. This is shoot and shit with people that I find inspiring. Like it's just people need to just maybe settle in. It's not 1996. I think a lot of people say that Jensi has like morality problem, but I actually think it's a punishing problem. Oh, it's a page expands. I think that I mean, it was a morality thing because it's like basically how it goes is you're bad. I'm good. So therefore I can be cruel to you. That's like the the logic. Jesus Christ isn't how it goes. Yeah, yeah. No, it's not like I think you're a bad person. So therefore I can cyber stock you and bully you and comment on photos of you and whatever, right? That's or I can I can have a say in your life because I think you're a bad person. I can talk about, you know, I don't know, there's so much discourse now about like creators, celebrities and their friends and their bodies and everything and people think that they can do that because they think that they know you. It's like parasolial relationships. But yeah, I don't think it's a morality thing. I do think that people like right now enjoy punishing people. Are you talking about people online? Are you talking about other girls like in this space that you're talking about like right now online? I feel like there's just this big thing about trying to like the got you with creators. Are you going on your reddit? I can't anymore. Have you ventured? Yeah. Of course. It's literally I've done it. I have of course I've read it. Everyone has a reddit. Yes. Okay. This isn't you don't think I've read it. Wait, wait, wait. This is so funny. And it's honestly like very, it's not relatable at all. I just want to say like this is not fucking related. I don't care. I love you. And by the way, it's not our problem if you don't find it right away. This is just we're circling all around. This is one of things that I love most about you. Like you give a fuck and like, but I give a big fuck inside. Do you just keep going and then I'll talk to Morgan like this shit that you say. I feel like even if you're talking about I one of my favorite podcasts that you went on was the cutting floor. Thank you. That I'm obsessed with it also like recirculates a lot. And I'm like, I'm liking it all. I don't know. I'm just like, thank you. That hair color and that face. That was crazy. You looked good to me. Thank you. You're so funny. And just like what you said about designer clothes and all these different things. I think if I said that, I would get so much hate. But people were just like, tea. Do you know what? You just are who you are. Thank you. And you're very funny. Thank you. I think that you're just very refreshing in a world that I feel like even me sometimes I feel like I try to like perfect delivery or is that relatable or is that not relatable? Well, there's so much pressure on you. Yeah, but you can't give a fuck. You know what it is? My therapist told me and I had this sort of mindset before I don't give a fuck because I need things to be clear because I need to have an understanding of what's going on around me. It's literally not a stick. It's literally how I calibrate in the world. Yeah, I need to know what side you're on. I need it to be black and white. I need to know everything clearly. So my brain can process the information. It's almost like a learning disability. Like if things are blurry, I'm like, you need to figure it out. What's happening? You also feel like, and this is also why I'm going on more podcasts. I'm like, either way is a public person. You're going to be dissected. So you might as well to show up as yourself. Even if it's like nasty, honest truth. And also my therapist told me one time, own your truth. She's we're kind of breaking up, but I kind of love her. I can date her. No, you can date. Like I'll take your ex. It was such a girl moment between us. Like, oh, that was so that just told me who you were. Like, oh, you're done with her. It's okay for me. Like that was a really mom. We did a good job love mom mom sitting here. I'm obsessed with mom. No, but I'm telling you she said to me, you own your truth because obviously in therapy you have to. You work out. So all of these like traumas and things that you go through as a woman, as a person, as a public facing person. And I'm always like, well, what if this happens or what if this happens? And she's like, yeah, it happened. Yeah, own your fucking truth. That's something I haven't done a good job at. It's it's very difficult. And this sort of like, gotcha world we live in. And like, you can't have this. And but you also are like, celebrating success that you have built from fucking nothing. And I hope you sit with yourself and think about that. I do. Thank you. I mean, let's talk about that. Yeah, I really appreciate that. I really built everything that I have on my own. And like, obviously I had a fortunate childhood. But then I'm like, wait, I like did this all myself guys. Walk me through dairy boy, because I'm obviously familiar with you as of recently, but I, and obviously I could do all this research, but I like want to know, I know there's a whole milk situation here. Like tell me in your words, I know you've spoken about it, but like the start of dairy boy. It was basically during the height of influencer health slop. You were in New York. Yes, you fucking hated New York. I'm a consumer as much as I am a creator. So I had to sort of like check myself when I was living in New York, because I was just like, what the fuck am I doing? First of all, I'm going out all week, drinking a lot, but then thinking like a grain juice is going to solve all my problems. Right, right, right, right. I'm very inflamed, I'm very puffy. And I was like, and I just like didn't grow up like that. Okay, so what did you, was mom making dinner every night? Was mom ordering in? What was going on? Family, everything, both of my parents worked. They're both doctors. Well, kind of doctors, I read that. My dad's an orthopedic, still practicing. Oh my God, and he's hot, mom, you did well. Fuck. What is going on? And my mom was a research doctor at Yale. Yeah, I know. Yeah, we love men. We're going to do our own podcast. Okay, but it honestly was really amazing to see two parents that worked, although I do think being a mom's a full-time job, like don't get me wrong. I cannot believe, like I have so much admiration for my parents, 'cause my mom worked. And I really believe that being a mother is a full-time job, which I feel like there's so much boss girl culture right now. And I am also partaking in it, but I just think, I don't talk about this often, that I'm pushing a very like, be a female founder, be a brand owner, but also that's not for everyone. Like I just want to say, I respect mothers as much as I do entrepreneurial women. I just have this in my bones and I can't stop and it's a sickness. It's honestly something that you feel like I so relate to that. It's like, you're just pulled in a direction and you can't fight against it. There are even times right now where it's hard to be away for my kids all week. I have to ask you about that. I have to come back in two weeks, right, for a very long stretch of time. And I was like, well, it's so bad. I'm not there, it's so bad. I'm not there, but then I'm like, I'm being forced to. You're your best mother, I think, when you're showing up also as yourself. 'Cause then then. You're fighting, you know, you're. It's hard. And also, like, I've been giving these gifts and this opportunity, like, I'm not gonna come sit and talk to you today because I need to be home to like, probably be on my phone half the day and then watch them in the pool, like, no, I need to be here. Right. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) Back to you, what the fuck were we talking about? This is chaotic. This is gonna be the whole episode. People are gonna be like, I cannot fall out. By the way, I don't. This is for us. Dairy boy. Okay, consumer creator. Yeah, I was just like, really. I feel like it was a moment that I felt like. I was like, what the fuck am I influencing first of all? Like, a whole lot of, like, nothing. Damn. Yeah, I wasn't really, like, proud of. Like, what I was creating, what I was consuming, what I was up to, and I was sort of like. Really self-aware, by the way. I am very self-aware. I don't know if people also realize that about me. Like, I'm the first one talking myself, like, before someone, like, it makes fun of me and any sort of setting, like, I've probably already, like, touched myself. I agree with you, but I also think you're gonna get to a point as you grow a little bit and I'm a little bit older than you. Like, you also just kind of stop. Like, you wanna be understood and you wanna be seen for who you are and the good and the efforts you put in the world. But at the end of the day, I've even just come to realize that people that wanna misunderstand you are going to. Oh, that's why I'm just, like, letting it rip now. Fuck that. Yeah, I'm, like, letting it rip. Because those people would change places with you in two fucking seconds and they don't have a clue about what you go through every single day, what it takes to, like, own a brand, build a brand, consistently show up for a brand, and I'll move the mic. It's, like, a very. You do the work every single day and because you're attractive and you have a wonderful husband and a wonderful life, people are like, it's not that easy. No, it is that fucking heart. Like, it is, it is hard. It is. Well, I think what you said, and we were talking about this before we started recording, but it's so important and we'll get into the origins of Dear Boy eventually. But this is gonna be such a jam-packed episode. Like, you're very self-aware. I can really relate to that. I feel like I know exactly what I'm good at. I know exactly what I'm bad at. And when you have a brand, like Dear Boy and you employ more and more people, it is important, as you were saying, to put people in roles that you are not good at. That is, I think, the best way to succeed right now in business. So, like, it's higher. Who, what do you, what do you feel like you're good at? And what do you feel like I needed this girl to do this? Yeah, I'm, I think I'm, I'm really good at marketing. Like, truly. And I think you're a genius at that. So, that is my assistant. Thank you. Do you wanna do a hell yeah? Oh yeah. Okay. And I think that also, like, marketing in itself is like a buzzword now and it's kind of lost its meaning. I think that it's like, it's, you know what I'm saying? Like, what does that even mean anymore? It's so titillating. I love it. I, yeah, I'm really good at marketing in the sense of I have a clear vision. I have clear vision, but I know what, like, makes people feel different things. Even, like, I notice everything painstakingly. So, I, like, feel like I can add those things and I can kind of pull on people's heart strings. I, yes. I'm also, like, a deeply nostalgic person. So am I. Like, like, it hurt hearts. Like, it's painstaking. So, I think I'm really good at that. I also think caring what people think about you actually helps marketing. And, like, it's, again, I just wrote a sub-stack about this, but that, like, it's, it was, like, the hardest thing about being me and being in this job, but then it actually ended up being, like, my biggest strength. And so that's something I think I'm really good at. And then, like, bad at. I'm chronically 20 minutes late to everything. That's something I'm really bad at. I am not a big email person. I also, like, dissociate on my phone and email. We, too bad you're married. 'Cause I know we would probably get married. We, when I literally actually made a joke, I'm like, I'm like, somebody was like, I have 62 emails. I'm like, I don't even get 62 emails. So, you're just like, no, you just don't read them. You don't read them. When people email me, I'm like, how fucking rude and disrespectful. And why are you doing that? I know. It feels like almost like, oh, wow, so spoiled. Like, you don't even read your own emails. But I'm like, I, I can't do that. I can't do that. I can't do that. I need you to voice note me. Yeah. I need you to text me. Or I need you to FaceTime your call. Yeah. I literally, she'll send me. I can't even text. No, I can't even text. Negative zero friends. And then, you don't know the worst thing about me. It's so selfish. When I want something, I'll like text my friend and it'll be like, two misread things. And I'm like, oh, well, can I tell you something? It's so bad. I cannot send a literate text. Like, it's almost like my brain works so much faster than my hands that it's literally, the whole technology I'm really stressed out about. Same, I like want to, I think I would be a better, like, business person if I had a blockberry again. Really? But the voice note thing, yes. Like, I actually, I'm like technologically like not, I'm like pretty bad on technology. I'm the same, I'm the same exact way. But I feel like you're really good on TikTok with your, like, get ready with me or spend a day with, I love those videos. Thank you. That's like a real series of mine. Keep doing those. I feel very, like, when I catch them, I feel zen, I feel like they're chickens around. There are chickens around. So chic. So Martha Stewart has. Like it's so, like, yeah. That feels like you at your core, but sort of like going. So the office is, can an office in New York and Westport? So you live in Connecticut. Chickens, house, like, idyllic, like, your kids could get married there one day. It's like that vibe. But I could get married again there. I'm not going to, but I'm just saying. I could hear your bells in my backyard. Literally, there you go. So there's that. And then the offices are also there. Yeah. So you're going to the office how many times a week? Every day. Then I'm not traveling on the tennis tour. Oh, or here. Yeah, I'm on the tennis tour right now. The tennis tour is so hot. What do you mean? I'm obsessed with the tennis tour. I might go to a game. Wait, come to Tommy's first bat. What are you going to be here? I am going to-- Well, am I going to be-- It's going to be not out yet. No, but I got invited to a night game. Do we like night or day? Night sexy. Night sexy. And it's easier to look good at night. Yes. And the daylight, I don't know things. I know it's a lot of harsh light. Yeah, like, this is harsh light, but it's good light. Yeah. You got a special set because at home, love you team. Whoa. This is T as fuck, this whole thing. This is the-- I wouldn't know if it was like anything last. Like, I feel like it's-- Oh, no, trust me. If you're ever in LA and we record it, it's going to be a different experience. But I know that set up, and it looks like an old school radio, which is vibey to me. It's got a nostalgia. It's very old school Hollywood talk show. And I'm a pretty confident person. And we've been talking about this all morning. And the lighting, we've really tried to figure it out. And we had a good episode. Then we had Chelsea Handler on it last week. And then it was like, oh, who is that person? I look 70. So we're-- What are you doing? You're just getting one of these. We're trying. OK, we're figuring it out. Just packing it back. We're just figuring it all out. OK, wait, back to your TikTok. Those? I don't know. But I feel like those are your new thing. Thank you. So I've been on YouTube for so long. And basically, my YouTube is like a 45 minute version of that. But only a few people-- I mean, not a few people. I get like 150,000 views on my YouTube weekly. That's amazing. That's a lot of people. It's a lot of people. But it's a various slow burn on YouTube. I've been on there for so long. And it's amazing. I credit my whole career to YouTube. But it's definitely the way that TikTok gets dispersed through the algorithm is so different. You would not come across my YouTube, right? You would come across my TikTok. So I've now-- Pivoted? I've pivoted or just made now what I make on YouTube. But I've been making for years on TikTok. Because that is where people want to see content. And I honestly don't really enjoy making TikTok content. Oh, OK, yeah. Why is it challenging to want to do that? I don't find it that enjoyable myself. I think so. It goes back to just social media right now. I think that-- and yeah, I feel like you're this way, too. I'm so many things. And I have so many layers. And I think that you have such a short window of time to tell someone who you are. And it doesn't encapsulate all my things. And I feel like you get rewarded for niching yourself down. And-- Is that-- Even people are like, oh, my god. I went on my bachelor at. And people saw the content that came out of it. Because it was all these different point of views. OK. And people are like, oh my god. - Oh my god, she's like so, I mean it was only positive. A lot of people were shocked at like the vibes in my bachelor's, and I was like, wait, like-- - But we're the vibes. - Fabulous. - I branch it. - She's fucking fantastic. - And you're making sure it's not fun. - But I am like, honestly, because people, I think I put out, I am like with the chickens and at the tennis and Wimbledon like wearing Chanel, but I am like-- - I think you're just fun and wanna have a good time. - Yeah. - But I like white cloth and like-- - Who doesn't like white cloth? - Okay, love. - Everyone loves white. I'm having nine folks a day and drinking anything in front of me. - Because how I knew like, your whole vibe was the Coke, not Diet Coke. - No, but that's what-- - Dairy, hello. - That part. - Whole milk, just give us the real shit. - The real shit, I am not gonna drink half a computer to like have some, like the fact that people prefer Diet Coke is crazy to me. Like, no thank you. - It's just like Diet culture. - It's Diet culture. Okay, so wait, so talk to me about your mornings. Like, did you sleep in the city last night? - Yes. - I'm here now with Tommy. - Okay, you're here, tennis tour. But in Connecticut, are we waking up, drawing the shades, like we're like stretching out in the sun, like Cinderella's coming, like the rats are around, like making your dress, like what is the morning routine? - Honestly, yeah. - It's amazing, huh? - But I like that brick for brick. Like, my life feels like a little bit of like a game and I'm like, okay, like what am I gonna do to like get my dream life? - Brick for brick is the episode title. - Brick for fuck sake. - Want to get, thank you. - I also think that, that it, woo, I just got a little, that was a little-- - I have a big believer in that. - Damn, attitude is a choice in like your life. First of all, this is all game. - You're here and then you're fucking not like that. - It's a very, like I do, kind of few things as a game. - I agree with that though. - And I always, and that's why I think I did well on social media and in the industry. - Do you view it as a game, meaning like nothing is that serious? - Nothing is that serious and anything is possible. And like, if you want, if you want the birds flying in during your hair in the morning and you wanna be like yawning in Connecticut with your chickens, like figure out a life where you can get there. - Have you named the chickens? - They all look alike, so I can't, and I have like 40 of them. - Okay. - So I have quails. But my brother lives at my house now. - Where, where, where, where, where, where, where did the quails come in? - The quails have been unlocked yet. We unlocked our new care. - Okay, okay. - Okay. - My brother lives at my house now. - Okay, so that's interesting. How long has he lived with you? - For like four months now? - Does Tommy love it? - Yeah, he loves it. They're very close. - Oh. - He actually works. He's on my design team at Dairy Boy. - No, I was getting there. Mom works there. - Yeah. - Well, let's, okay. Well now since you've opened that up. - The brother's quails. - That's what I was trying to get at. - Okay, so the quails are crazy. - That's crazy, so how, what does your brother do for Dairy Boy? - He is a, what's his official title? He just got like a raise in a design assistant. - Okay. - He has made so many of our vial products and he's like, where's my kickback? - Wait, okay. - So what, realist Bob? - Did you hire him as a boss lady because he's your brother or because he's talented or both? - He's talented and I always saw a tremendous amount of potential in him. - I wonder. - I think that more kids need to go to trade school 'cause my brothers are a really good example of someone who had all these different interests and was so good at a lot of different things but didn't in high school study probably what he should have. And then went to college and studied something sort of, like he didn't want to career in it but he thought it was interesting. Anyways. - No, by the way is somebody who like barely passed a class and was like struggling my entire academic career, it's really not for everyone. I don't feel like I had this, I mean I had the support in the sense that I had like, tutors and stuff, but that probably wasn't the route for me, so it's interesting that you read that out. - I think more kids go to community college if they don't know what they want to study 'cause going into that much debt and percentage is just, yeah, it's like a whole thing but it's, I think it's a problem in America. But he was in Boulder and I kinda saw he was struggling a little bit floating around and I moved him out to LA 'cause we had an office in LA we'd still have an office in LA but it's more like a warehouse and he started just doing like odd jobs and I kinda wanted to see where he would thrive. - You gave him a second to cook. - Yeah and he was always very creative and he ended up just being a part of the design team. - What's his sign? What's his birthday? - He is, when is it? - Ari's fiery, we love that. - I love Ari's, I love Ari's friends. - I love Ari's too, I'm Ari's moon. - Oh, we love that. - Yeah. - But anyways, he ended up being on a design team now and he's gonna take some like FIT classes and he's very good at drawing. Like art, we had this fish sweater that went viral and we've sold like crazy amounts of that. - I know the sweater sweater. - He made that sweater. - Oh my god, so he's really sort of like landed where he's supposed to land. And he knows me very well and he's very outdoorsy which I think lends itself very well to the brand and having like a guy on the design team. 'Cause it's kind of a tomboy brand has been amazing. - Okay and then what does mom do for the brand? - A lot of different things. She does accessories, like our makeup bags, she's done, which we're amazing. Any accessory stuff, she also pays a lot of bills which is nice. - That's, we need mom to pay the bills. 'Cause I don't know how to get paid, you know? - Yeah and also just like trusting, it's hard to trust people with your money. Like we're wiring a lot of money. - You really can't trust anybody with your money. - No. - You gotta be checking the shit twice left and right. - Oh yeah, up down center. - My RCEO was telling me, 'cause he worked with his family's business before, like when he was younger, that money would be stolen all the time. - People will take shit. - Yeah. - People, okay, so you own 100% of dairy boy. Is there a minority? - I own majority but I have a partner now. - Okay, how far into the journey did you get a partner? - I ended up, I've known RCEO's max. I've known him forever. He's worked in a lot of different industries. He went to, recently went to architecture school at Yale. And I know and then he was graduating and we just were catching up his friends. And I kind of showed him like the underbelly in my business and he was like, whoa, this is. - Crazy. - Crazy. This, how small our team was, the volume we were doing, the marketing and like the potential of the brand, he saw so much potential. - How many team members did you have at that point when you met with him? - Eight. - Or something. - And it was when you were doing like millions and millions and millions and millions and millions. - Millions and millions of dollars, yeah. - And mom was like, how am I going to pay all these bills? - Yeah, okay. - She's like, yeah, it was crazy. And I just knew that I needed a certain type of partner and Connecticut in the East Coast and he has completely transformed my business. - Oh my God. So does he own him like a minority state of it? - He owns. - You gave him some equity. - Yeah, I give him equity. - Good for you. - Yeah, give him equity and what she deserves. Like I would not be, I would not be where I am today without it. I do think you need partners. - Was that stressful for you to like give that away? You were like, it's time. - I know what I'm bad at and I think I needed a CEO. - Yeah. - I needed a CEO. He has strengths that I do not have at all. He's a very like nerdy and a political person but also is very creative. Also. - Wow, that's great to have both. - Yeah, it's easy. - He's a unicorn. I mean, that's also what architecture school I think, what I've learned from him will teach you. And I think that's also what I was saying in the beginning about creative problem solving. That's what I'm really good at and he's also good at that. - You mean example of creative problem solving? - Like if you have an issue, like a pop up, there's something with a pop up. - Oh man. - And there are questions about pop ups, Kate. - Or if there's like something like a sign or something creative but it's also operations that we need to like move through. Like it affects creative but it also affects operations being able to come up with a solution quickly. - Are you at a point right now where you're having people potentially like, obviously this is your shit, you run this, you're creative, what's your official like role? - I'm creative. - Creative director founder but I do so much more than that. I mean, I work at desk job. - You literally know that. - Okay, now you do through my TikToks but. - Well, you're there overseeing design, you're guessing. - I'm sitting in every department. - Every department all day. - So like, what are those departments? - We have design. - We have design, we have operations, we have the finance side. - Mom. - Which is mom and Tara and we have an intern right now. We have marketing obviously, we have production, we have customer service. - So these are physical people holding all these roles and everyone can etiquette based? - Yes, minus, we have a few people in LA, our warehouse is in LA. We have few operations people on the ground in LA but we've moved everything to these. - Which is so much more convenient. - It's so much better for my brand and for me to just be involved. I have the best design team. Like we do full cut and sew garments which obviously you know about. - It's so cool. - It's so cool. - I'm taxing and difficult. The things don't always come out the way you want them to. - Yes, and I just like love working with people, which is most people like company that have like trade skills. I think that is someone who's like so entrepreneurial and like so, have so many different, that's so not me. - Yeah, yeah. - Like I don't have a trade skill. And again, marketing like I said is, you can't really pin down like what exactly it is. I love working with people that like studied their craft. - I know how to, like for somebody that is making dairy boy products has like built a garment from scratch. - Yes, I find it so inspirational and I've learned so much from those people that like I think that working with people and you probably feel this way to like owning a brand has given me everything. Like I don't know who or where I would be today if I didn't have the brand. - No, I agree. Like people like us need to point our energy at something. It's like a smoking gun. Like we need to be pointed at something. - No, 100% in that direction. And for me to be able to do that with dairy boy has been like everything to me. - Like this is now going to be potentially like obviously a generational brand. Like this could be passed down to your children. Like this is now something like how does that make you feel? Like that's crazy. - It's amazing. But it's like I'm always moving the goalposts. I don't know if you're this way that I'm always like, it's exhausting. - It's exhausting. I think for me like what I struggle with is like if I feel very passionately about something and then I sometimes will back down to a piece people or not take it on as like the main problem and then it kind of trickles down into a bigger issue down the road. That is something I am working on. Like no, you have to your vision. You are the person that is presenting as dairy boy, right? People know the brand, but people know you at the helm of the brand. So they want to make sure that everything is in line. - It's hard though, it's hard. Especially when you have a million things going on. Like you're a newlywed, like I have chill, it's just like there's a lot of stuff to balance. - The hardest part is when you hire so many people, even like people outside of your own business, like freelancers. And then you get tagged in something and you're like, well I wasn't even involved in that. - Yeah, I know. - Like I didn't even do that. - And you can't micromanage every single thing to the point where like there's are gonna be like things that slip up and they get out there and you're like okay fine. - But in a fucked up way and like this isn't a good thing, but like I look at other really successful business women have to go through the same shit as me and it like makes me feel comforted, which is shitty, because I have to like look at other people's like pain or like issues and be like, okay, I'm not alone. Who do you admire? Um, okay, I admire so many different people. Obviously like Martha, because I think she's just a badass. I mean, it's insane. Come from a different cloth. Yes. Just like a, I wasn't gnarly in a bad way, like a gnarly in a good way type of lady. Like that bitch is not fucking around. She's the eyes out next to her at the CFDAs three years ago. And she was like, oh, like a fucking like hearty ass. Well, not scared to be a bitch bitch. No. And that and her documentary kind of pissed me off because I was like, yeah, anyone who took that and thought that she was like a bad person that does not have good judgment or discernment. They don't understand the hustle and what it takes. And as I mean, I don't really. To be a self-made billionaire woman at that time is insane, insane. Like I admire her a lot. I obviously admire like what Haley Bieber has been through and done a lot. It's I mean that crazy crazy. The way people have like continued to cyber talk her and how she's just like risen above it all has like the best life with her baby. Like that is that is inspirational. I think she's incredibly inspirational. I also think that she does this so much like aura, which I think is so cool. Yeah. But like that is why she gets hate that she gets. What do you identify with the most? I'm entrepreneurial because I think that like that's how I started as a creator. Like I'm fucking scrappy. I'm making it work. I'm turning something into nothing. I'm keeping holding your attention. Oh, I'm holding your attention for a long period of time. Okay. I love that. Yeah. But I'm not like scared of that. Like I think again, there's such a negative connotation. And even like seeing celebrities not want to be reference as influencers, I find it like really funny. I don't understand the discourse on that. Like I just think yeah, there's so much I could say about that. But people just feel I feel like we are in a time where people take themselves extremely seriously. Yes. Like people take themselves too seriously. They're everyone scared. Like it's very inauthentic because I think that's what the algorithm has created. It's not human. Algorithms aren't human. No, they're not human. And neither is AI. Like I use chat for like silly things like asking it about my star sign and like whatever. But I'm using it for like emailing and stuff. But no, we don't. Well, it's so funny because I can't spell. No, I can't. And it's so funny. And I used to get kind of like bullied about it. Like damn, like I'm like, yeah, why do you think I am fucking in doing this for a living babe? Like I'm not. Yeah, like never could spell. Still never gonna never gonna be able to spell. Are you good at math? Oh no. Okay, good. We're the same. Oh my god. I really texted it last week. I was like, what's the tip on this? Hurry up. Yeah. So that's chat's been great for that. But also I feel like now when I spelled something correctly online, people like, okay, AI slop. And I'm like, fuck my life. Oh my god. Are people that crazy? Yes. No, I can't wait. Can we talk about? I have like, I have fashion questions. Okay. Not that we like need a belittle. I just fashion. I want to talk about so many different things. Who made this dress? That was custom. Who just you just designed it yourself? With my design team. Did you go to Parsons? I went to the new school. I took. So I did like a design figured out. I did a design program at Parsons like a minor. Okay. But it wasn't like, I don't tell people, although the internet, I think when they say you went to the new school because I've talked about that I've like, did some classes at Parsons. Parsons more sexy. We couldn't figure it out, right? We were like, we're. Well, the internet likes Parsons. I think more than the new school. Okay. That's fine. But yeah. It was a very creative, amazing college. But no, I didn't. I'm not like a, I'm not a fashion designer. Well, I mean, I make a creative director. Same. Like I make clothes for like life and like things that I love based off of like experiences and think, yeah, like you're creating life style. Yeah. Like I'm making clothes, but I'm not like, that make people I feel like dairy boy like has like some adjacency to like Jay Krut. Like there's just like this sort of like American heritage, American. Yeah. The fish like everything just sort of like really just yeah, it's just really it's like stuff like my childhood like I like where like this is like my old this was like my dad's shirt like I love things like this. Like it's things hold like meaning to me and like why do they hold meaning to me and it's like because it's caught in because it is a stripe and because it'll like wear down and wear beautifully. Yeah, it's always the stuff that looks like beaten up. That's like lasted over time that always and that's stuff that I love and that stuff I also feel like I could make best like I wouldn't I think that being a owning a clothing brand like I why it's so authentic is because I'm only making clothes that I feel like I can speak to. Like similar to you. Yeah. This brand is a true reflection of like your taste and style and who you are and how you dress. Thank you. I'm glad that it seems that way. Very much so. Good. Yeah. Yeah. The clothes are like are you but like in a way that's also like universal that even someone that was differently than you could wear. Okay, let's clip that. Thank you. I'm going to have to give her. I love that brand copy. Like I'm actually good at that too. So do you ever want it to like come in and like like do a little I can know what's it called brand copy is my insult. Yeah. I'm telling you the brand copy. Like I we just had to go over brand copy a week ago. It was like basics. I'm like get basic we're not a basic spray. I don't know. I hate that word. There's so much like yeah. I keep saying slop. But it's my new favorite word. I'm going to use slop. Yeah. Yeah. There's so much like brand copy slop. Yeah. Okay, let's talk about. Well, also I want to point out page Paul. That happened. Like Lorenz is like I don't even think of Lorenz anymore. Like no, I literally like page Paul was so like that's how like you know you're with your soulmate because I literally only think of you as page Paul. I love that. It usually takes a second for like married names to catch on. Name I think my old last name was like maybe more like exotic. Yeah, sexy. Yeah. But page Paul is I think just like adds to like me. It's it is you. Yeah. Like I was like I the fact that I was like referring to you through my assistant my producers or whoever. I was like page Paul's coming on like not and skinny not but not fat came on my show. Not skinny but not fat. Do I say that right? Okay. Last week. And she was like, oh, page was just on my show. I'm like, oh, yeah, page Paul's coming. I don't I love that because a lot of people are not used to it yet. But I'm also starting a sunglasses brand called Lorenz. The fact. Okay. It's not going to die. Can I? Okay. Do you have then your deck of things to talk to me? Obviously. We're like obsessed with you. But the fact that that is like a catchy witty name just grinds me. It just makes me so happy. Like Lorenz. Like I have to use it. It can't die. And I am such I'm pissed my last name is not Lorenz because I'm obsessed with fucking sunglasses that I'm like, that is so perfect. Fun right? When is that coming out? Do we know? Is that like what's going on there? I've been sampling it for a year. Oh, long time. Yeah. I thought that it was going to be easier than close. Not easy. Okay. But I thought that it was going to be easier than close. It also is a completely different brand strategy than Dairy Boy. So it's same people involved from Dairy Boy. Yeah. It's going to be a brand. It's going to be a brand under Dairy Boy. We've decided I was going to have it be different but it's going to be sold on our website because like operationally it makes way more sense. Yeah, you can't like do a whole other thing. Yeah, it's just it'll be too much but it's in the work because I have so many samples but it's just not perfect yet. Okay. And I just care too much about making sure it's perfect. And then how's newlywed like well first of the wedding breath taking. Thank you. How happy were you? So happy. Like everything just was gorgeous. Yeah, I love I love being married. Like I've really I've always fall. Yeah. But like were people posting at the wedding that should have been posting? Like I'm that was the only confusing thing to me. Like are we posting? There are a few people but honestly like I find it sort of like endearing that people aren't like some people didn't know but that's like oh like we've gotten so I mean especially with like creators and public people like the vote wedding like like what are you thinking? Like it's like no like they're just enjoying the wedding and if they posted a photo of me like it's because they like are loving me and loving being there like I'm not like fuck you like you leaked the dress. Oh no that was definitely just me like wanting to be I was like a curious salad about that because you're a better woman than me because I would have been like mad. I would have been mad about it but I was like I honestly also think like did you see Bridget's wedding acquired. Oh my god first of all I when they leaked her dress. Yeah. But I thought I was gonna have to sit down. Oh same. Oh it's got respect. When the her sister also was like hi they sent such nice messages to the other girls I would have fucking ripped these people apart and been like take that fucking down. Yeah it's insane but I also think there has to be something sort of like babe like it if someone cared enough to leak your dress. It's like kind of tea. Kind of tea but I would have freaked out. No it's very sad and heartbreaking but I think you have to like make what's that saying? Make lemons lemonade. By the way. I can't do any of that. No. I'm like and the wood chuck chuck the wood chuck chuck. I wouldn't like on a mole skit. Something with mole skins or something. I don't know what I don't know any of these things like I say them I butcher them all. Oh my god. The lemons one. The lemon like the lemon. You make lemons out of lemonade. Thank you. No you make lemonade out of lemonade. Like you've got to just roll with the punches and like if you can't be like whatever like it is what it is so. But the day was a fucking amazing. It was fucking amazing. You had the best time. Yeah. What was your favorite moment? Um the ceremony. Your vows were out loud. Yeah that part. Were you did you write your own vows obviously? Not chat. Not chat. Were you nervous to read them? No. Did you probably? I'm like really good at public speaking. Yeah. Oh you are? Yeah. That makes you such a good founder. I hate public speaking. Really? Oh my god. No I don't want to do that ever. No. Does it not feel like public speaking to you? No we're in like a cozy room. But if there were three hundred people here I'd be like what's that? I'd be I just wouldn't go. That's crazy. I just don't I mean it's good if it's like the crowds interacting but I pick up on energy so if somebody's not paying attention I'm literally like what the fuck are you doing? It's so funny. I went on I spoke at something recently and um my publicist CG is here and I was like there was not a question for us and I was like okay any questions and he was like no no he was like we didn't look like we didn't and I was like, no, just like, I like that too. Like I like talking. - And were you like, okay, you're sitting here, you were freaking the fuck out. - I was just like, she knows what she's doing. - Oh, we didn't plan for that, but. - You're like, oh, okay, guess we're doing that now? - Yes. - Oh, and how many questions did you answer? - Like five, and they were like, okay, like wrap it up, bitch. Like, this isn't like a fucking fireside chat. Like this fires. - Oh, I had to do a fireside chat when we launched this show. What do you mean, like fireside chats is silliest thing. - No, and it was for actualizing. And I'm like, where's all the advertising? Like bring it in. Literally ran out of so much time. I not ask her anything. It was a great chat. These are the kind of chats I want to have. I really specifically said when I started like, I don't want people who are on like a press, I just want to talk to you. - Right. - Like I fucking keep talking. - I always sell something. - No, and I have trust me. - All right. Wimbledon or US Open? - Oh, oh my God, we're stumped, love it. - Okay, dumped. - Think about it, feel it, breathing it. - I would have year one tennis star, I would have said Wimbledon, but now US Open. - Okay, Nantucket or Vermont? - Nantucket. - Horseback riding or skiing? - Horseback riding. - I have to tell you something. - Yeah. - Are you scared? - I don't like horses. - They're scary. - I don't like them. - Wait, I was just telling my dad how I'm not gonna let my kids ride horses 'cause it's so scary. - No, I just so dangerous. - I'm such an animal lover, but I don't vibe with the horse. - Really? - I mean, I'll like touch one on the nose. I don't want to get on one. - Okay, fair enough. - Give up whole milk forever or give up alcohol forever? - Alcohol, 'cause I like need to give up alcohol. It's like an office and an office bitch. - Oh, please. - Why can't I'm gonna give up milk? - It's probably a big problem. - No, it's really fat. Are you drinking martinis? What are you drinking? - I love it all. - Okay. - Tell me. - Do you, when you get drunk, you get silly. - Yeah, I'm literally insane. - Yeah, it's me too. - And I'm always like, I'm so gorgeous. I'm gonna walk down this street and do something weird. - It's been like 20 years ago. I'm like, literally insane. - You need to hear from me right now. - Do you wanna be the best or worst night of everyone around in your life? - So yeah. - And my husband, your husband probably is like, you can have like nine tequila and does not move. - You're the sweetest, like just most delicious person, not a different person. - It's normal. - It's so normal, but that's what we need. Like we can have two psychotic drugs. - Correct. - Correct, you need the calm. - Yeah. - One dairy boy category, close sport or home, which is your favorite. I think that's what that question was. - Is the pop-up still popping? - No, it's not popping, but yeah. - I need to come next time to the pop-up. - You do, but honestly, I'm glad for the, you can come to my store, opening a store. - In New York? - Yeah. - Can you say? - It's gonna come in the winter. - Great. - It's like we're breaking ground soon. - Oh. - Like sign lease. - Oh, breaking ground, so rich. I love breaking ground. - We love breaking ground. - That's like having hedges. Okay. Would you rather delete Instagram or leave Connecticut? - These are hard. Oh my god, hard. - I don't feel like I have to be in Connecticut for the rest of my life. - Wait, people are just really getting cozy and I feel at home. You can't leave there yet. - I know, I love it. I'm always gonna have a house there, but like I would go, where would you wanna go? - Wherever Tommy is. - Oh, yeah. - Sweet, clip that for him. - Yeah. - Would teenage page be shocked or completely unsurprised by your life and success now? - Completely unsurprised. - You knew it. I think you know, and not that I've hit this, but you know when you're destined for greatness, you just do. - I also just think I am so relentless. Like it was never gonna be. - Basic. - It was also just, like yeah, it was just never gonna be shit. - These earrings are wild. - I literally like my ear is like weighing down with the fact that it's dangling. - And my husband's like, what a hat? Like, oh my god, like we're doing diamonds. - It's the eyeballs, it's the ears, I'm freak. I don't even know. - No, no, no, I'm like, yeah. - Who has these eyeballs of diamonds? - Is it mom? Kind of. - I don't know. - I also have very dark eyelashes and eyebrows, so I feel like it makes it even more. - This is your natural hair color? - Yes. - Well, I have a highlight, but like. - But we're not ever bleaching again. - I think I'm much better as a brunette. - I think so. And it's not even, it doesn't even read so brunette. - It's like Goldie Glossy Gorgeous, you should keep it. - Night. - Okay, right, we talked about that ski trip or beach trip. - Beach now, I like froze my ass off for way too long. - Yeah, I can't be doing so. I mean, you being like a good skier is crazy. Early bird or night owl? - Night owl. - But both? - Yeah, I do like waking up early 'cause I feel like you could just get more in on the day now, but I-- - What time are you waking up? - 7.30, if it's like a good day. - I know, trust me, trust me. - If it's a good day. - It's like my best day, but like, if it's a bad day, like 8.39. - Fabulous. I don't think I've slept in until 9 and so long. - And your mom, so I feel like, I know, it's awful. - She's like knocking at the door at 6, I'm like, sweetie. (laughs) - Six hours. - Okay, favorite place you've ever traveled. - Ooh. - Recently, Tokyo. - Oh, you've, oh, I need to go. - You have to go. - You have to go. - No, I don't want to go to Tokyo. - I need to go. - Yeah, bad. - Everyone's saying yes. - No, everyone's saying yes. Do I need to do that? - It's a magical place. - I don't think going as an adult is actually better. - If you go with just a couple, if I just go with my man, is that enough? - Oh my gosh, yes, it's, yes. - Well, you know what I mean. Like, do we need to vibe or do we just hang out? - No, no, no, you can like, honestly, I think that's best with the partner. - Okay. - 'Cause it's also like a lot of, like, you sit at the bar and eat type of thing, like, noodle and sushi, you just like go in and go out. So it's like nice to sit at the bar. - Okay. - With your partner and fuck yeah. - Okay, so that's what we're doing, October, most worn thing in your closet. - I like raggedy ass old t-shirts. - Great, yeah. - Oh, also, I'm gonna do this. Thank you so much for wearing wrangly at the Vogue last fitting. Are you joking? I freaked out. It looked so good. - I? - But also very appropriate. - It was overwhelming and hot and like all the things. - It was just to like, show up to like, be bridal in that moment. Like from a, from a fashion girl perspective, I was like, even if it wasn't my brand, I'd be like, that's the right thing to wear to that. - It was the right thing to wear. - Just like, it kind of, it was like hot. - Like, like the sheer of it all. - It was, what are the shoes that you wore, what do they wear? Like a white little ballet flat, but a little heel. - Oh, yeah, those were ballerets. - Balleret, it's a Italian brand. - The most comfortable. - The right shoe too. I really appreciate the good shoe. - Okay. - You love shoes. - I love clothes, shoes, diamonds. - I just got the new Chanel, like Apple, you know, the Apple heel. - Yeah, I know we're in today, but it was black and navy. And I feel like this bitch is gonna drag me. - Let me tell you something. - I was gonna wear them for you and then I was like, I can't. - I'm gonna be like, black and navy. - By the way, shocker. - You like it? - Love black and navy. - Fuck, I fucked up. - Black and brown, black and navy, white and navy. You look great. - You're wearing black and navy, I'm like, oh. - Okay, most, I guess we kind of covered this, but last. Oh no, favorite Dairy Boy product you've ever made. - Mmm. - Pick two. - It's a good, our PJs are just like so fucking delicious. - Right. - I think they're, yeah. I was like the volume that we can move in PJs because everyone needs PJs. - Everyone needs PJs and like, it's such like comfort to people's routine that I just like, it makes me really happy. It was like no, no better feeling than getting it to bed. - No. - So like the fact that I'm a part of like hundreds of thousands of girls, night routine just like brings me a lot of joy. - That's so sweet. - Yeah, what else? Like weird things, like yeah, like the PJs. Honestly, like our sweat material is fucking good. Our 100% cotton Terry is just like, and like my design team would probably be like, page, like this is what you're gonna say is your favorite because it's like, it's like-- - That's what comes to mind. - It's like a fashion item and it's honestly like takes, it's taken a long time to develop, even though it's like a sweatshirt. - Okay, I think that's fair. Okay, most annoying, this is the last one. Most annoying misconception about you. - Can I have help from my team? - The team's here, this is an interactive show. - What do you think it is? Actually, okay, you go. - I personally hate that people like ask me if you're actually nice. - Oh yeah, that's what I was gonna say. - Yeah, people always ask that. - Wait, Mom, what do you think is the thing that people misunderstand about me? - Besides that. - That's a big one. - I mean, the plastic surgery. - Oh, that's a really good one. - The plastic surgery. - Yeah. - And the people saying that? - Oh yeah. - When you're like 12. - Yeah. - Can I tell you? - Yeah. - And then a picture of her now and they're like, oh my god. - Yeah. - I also dyed my hair like jet black in high school and went to ski school and Vermont so I was very pale. But like, it's interesting. Some of the before pictures, like I have worse pictures on my phone. Now I just don't post that. - No, I am, can I tell you? I literally just had this, did we have this conversation? Or who? - Do people do that to you, like say like she got her whole face down? - Well, the thing is it's like people, you see somebody look their best and then you search their name on Instagram to search for them and all the other photos come up. And you're literally like, why are you still using photos from 10 years? Go like, you do your island or differently. You do, you haven't gotten a whole new face. - No. - But anybody, like the way they just sort of like, women grow and change so much here after year. Like, it's not a plastic surgery thing. - Yeah. - We just evolved to our higher better selves and we know how to put foundation on better. - I'm just moving on. - I think that people want influencers and celebrities to like, nose jobs and things they've never gotten. I'm like, would this make you feel better? - Honestly, whenever people look good to this. Okay, last question. What is Paige Paul manifesting for herself in the immediate future next year? Whatever, like, what is something that you're like, I want this? This is what I see for myself. - Babies for sure. - Babies. - Yeah. - Mom, you ready? Grandma time? - She's so ready. - My sister just had a baby and he's, like, just been, like, I feel like it's brought our family so much closer. - I feel like this time next year you'll be pregnant. - I'll probably be pregnant and like, soon. - Yeah. - Fingers crossed. - Okay, anyway, I'm obsessed with you. Thank you. - So I'm obsessed with you. - So much for coming. This was so much fucking fun. I hope you had a good time. - I had such a good time. (upbeat music) - The Morgan Stewart Show is produced by Sirius XM and me, Morgan Stewart. Our senior producer is Jessica Cisneros. Our audio engineer is Brendan Burns. Our videographer is Kim Cohen and our video editor is Shannon Joy Rogers. Our executive producers are Cody Fisher and Adam Sachs. 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