BREAKING NEWS! More Unseen Footage And The Tyler Robinson Decision Live! | Ep 381
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The show dives into the unfolding legal case against Tyler Robinson, questioning the validity of the aggravated murder charge due to the absence of mass intent, given that only one bullet was fired. The defense argues that multiple charges—including witness tampering and obstruction—are legally unsound or constitutionally invalid, especially since they rely on misleading claims about Tyler’s actions. A central focus is the suspicious involvement of figures like Butch and Jack Hibbs from Calvary Chapel, whose rapid response to Charlie Kirk’s death—via phone calls, prayer chains, and public statements—raises concerns about prior knowledge and potential coordination. The show highlights how Turning Point USA and related groups appear to operate with a high degree of secrecy and coordinated messaging, possibly as a deliberate smear campaign. It also notes a strategic legal tactic: the prosecution’s reliance on Pennsylvania law, which has rare precedents for aggravated murder with one victim, appears inconsistent and potentially misleading. The defense contends that simply handing over massive volumes of text data—like over a million Discord messages—may be a tactic to overwhelm investigators, rather than to provide meaningful evidence. Ultimately, the host emphasizes the importance of the case advancing to expose systemic corruption, particularly within government and religious networks, and warns that public ignorance of legal processes enables misinformation. The episode concludes with a call to action for viewers to support the investigation, while also acknowledging the personal and emotional toll of the situation.
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we really do have the best fans and the people who watch this show but today we have to more
formally address the elephant in the room i left you guys with an elephant in the room i know you
all went to bed wondering about the quiet part that i said out loud yesterday just why does
data republican aka
jennica pounds aka the department of war's fake analyst who attacked me for looking into this
case just why does she look so much like tyler robinson check this out uncanny uncanny what are
they doing out in utah i have no positive evidence that it wasn't jennica pounds that was walking up
that staircase at uvu i'm over here looking at the department of war like i'm sophie cunningham
you know doing the point we don't know no but we know
where were you miss pounds anyway today we return to the scene of the crime as i promised you
all the shady characters surrounding charlie kirk on september 10th and one person in particular
who we almost forgot about that drummed up a lot of early
online conspiracy theories so let's get started welcome back to candace
where is your positive evidence people okay we have actually a lot to unpack today
foremost obviously we are monitoring the um expected big news out of utah today the judge's
decision on whether or not there is enough evidence to allow tyler robinson's case to proceed
to trial now we have been watching the arguments for and against the dismissal and we're going to
break that down for you after the break in the meantime we can tell you guys at the very least
who showed up to the courtroom slightly different cast of characters i might add than we saw
throughout the preliminary hearing remarkably notably the turning point usa influencers did not
show up so sad no graham allen no benny johnson to tell us how overwhelmed we should be maybe
they're still processing their emotions i think that decision
was probably made because it backfired tremendously with the public because the public is not as
stupid as turning point usa would like to believe elsewhere of course erica kirk is present but she
was not captured walking into the courthouse charlie kirk's parents were captured they were
present arriving um to the hearing or the decision so were erica kirk's de facto parents stacey
sheridan tracy martin we're just going to count them as her parents i think
because she's never surrounded by her actual family mama stacy is always there head of turning
point usa donations and gifts always there tracy martin i'm counting that as dad she does erica's
pr dirty work always willing to sit down and tell a story cameras also captured andrew colvett
walking in looking 10 years older lies will aid you my friend they will aid you and notably you
may not have recognized who she is but she's always there and she's always there and she's always there
and she's always there and she's always there and she's always there and she's always there and she's always there
this is pastor james cadice he's the senior pastor of calvary chapel in signal hill california
he is also one of erica kirk's many problematic tp usa faith pastors he also hosts a show with her
with that like fledgling you know fashion brand that she has bible in 365 he's on the never-ending
roster of radically pro-israel pastors who do not exactly live the life that they
preach from the stage she also happens to be morbidly obese that's why you are seeing him
using a scooter to get around and speaking of calvary chapel pastors that's where i'd like to
begin today calvary chapel i've discussed this a lot uh throughout this series allow me to jog
your memory regarding another character who was present on september 10th at uvu you remember
charlie arrived with an interesting crew in tow interesting only in the manner that they all
reacted to his assassination mikey mccoy
walks away he does not dial 9-1-1 but instead phones his wife followed by erica and his father
pastor rob mccoy of calvary chapel church in thousand oaks longtime pastor um and that's
also in california now during that phone call we are told that he requested his father to pray
rob mccoy told that story it turns out though that rob mccoy his father is not the only pastor
that he phoned on that day asking for
a prayer you see mikey mccoy when he arrived at uvu with charlie also met up with a man
named butch hibbs they walked charlie in together take a look at butch here he is in the plaid
shirt um they're with security there's been a lot of online chatter about him and his presence
at the event altogether a lot of conspiracies that were drummed up regarding whether or not
he was in fact undercover particularly whether or not as some people speculated he may have been
a road microphone in his top pocket we can sort of zoom in here people many people were convinced
that that got switched there were a lot of people looking into where he lives in heber city a flight
that was potentially taken to tennessee now we never engaged in the proliferation of those
conspiracies rather we want to just focus on the facts here and deliver to you some more facts
regarding butch hibbs born burton hibbs jr.
he is from a military family his brother is pastor jack hibbs another senior pastor
at calvary chapel church his church is based in chino hills california now i think you guys already
know that i have a rather strong opinion regarding these calvary chapel churches uh and their
extraordinary extraordinary dedication to israel so i'm not going to belabor any points here i will
add that the first that i heard of pastor jack hibbs it was uh
marissa straight the massad agent turned ceo of prager you she was in unit 8200 she's never hidden
that fact so we're not exactly revealing or bringing any news there but i used to work for
prager you and she had suggested to me that i have him on my podcast i don't believe it ever happened
but you can take from that what you will it is a fact that is how i learned about jack uh jack
hibbs from marissa it is also a fact that the same family who funds the construction of some of some
churches like rob mccoy's church um and thousand oaks are the billionaire wilkes brothers they are
not in any way evangelical christians so it's kind of weird that you would fund a church that you
yourself wouldn't go to but they are radically pro-israel right they also fund prager you
they were also behind the initial big funding of the daily wire uh they fly israeli flags along
their property lines in texas and they're also behind the initial big funding of the daily wire
i am told they also fund the radically pro-israel politicians like ted cruz again these are all
just facts so their main issue is israel that's what they're dedicated to now back to pastor jack
hibbs because that's what's relevant it is curious that like victor marx another one of shady maybe
not even a pastor character that is around erica a pastor jack hibbs was among the very first to
announce that he was going to fund a church that was going to fund a church that was going to fund
charlie had passed away he did that on facebook and people wondered how did he know so quickly
before the rest of the world that charlie had died and jack hibbs was kind enough to inform
his facebook facebook followers of exactly how that was take a listen so i first found out that
he had passed shortly after charlie was shot from his really new service how they knew but they knew
i don't know how they knew either jack i never know how it seems to be that israel is just
everywhere tentacles are just everywhere he doesn't know how they knew but they knew and
they got this information to him anyway the story goes regarding how his brother got there
the story goes the night before charlie was assassinated pastor jack hibbs boned him up and
asked charlie if his 74 year old brother
could attend this obscure uvu college campus event okay listen to jack explain how
that all came together to his dear friend, the Yankin and Bankin Franken Turek. Take a listen.
And Charlie took pictures with all the TPUSA kids that were lined up.
And then your brother was there and he goes, I'm Jack Hibbs' brother. That's why they
called him a mountain man. What's his name again? Butch. Butch is his nickname. Butch. Yeah. But
that's not his real, what's his real name? Burton. Burton. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so
he introduced himself and the last picture, formal picture that probably Charlie took
was, was with him and me. Here's the backstory to that. So my brothers lived in Utah for years
and we have to make sure that this doesn't get out, but he, he looks like a mountain man.
And he's like, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. And he's all over the terrain. I'm going to give you the picture. You can put it in.
You know, some people would say that he is a covert military operative for the CIA and in
conjunction with the Mossad. He loves the mountains. So he had months to reach out to me to
say, Hey, can you give me a chance to meet Charlie and to get a decent seat? But no, he calls me the
four. Oh yeah. And he says, Hey, can you, and I said, well, I mean, I mean, I'll give Charlie a
call, but it's kind of late, you know, and all that stuff. And I'm thinking, so I honestly reached
out to Charlie. I said, Charlie, listen, my brother lives nearby. He wants to come see you.
I know that's a, that's just, you got too much going on right now, but I was faithful to give
you his request. Um, God bless you tomorrow. And, and so the next thing I know,
that's how I found out is that he sent me that picture. And, uh, I, my first thought was this,
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I don't know, guys. Some would say I like the mountains. People would say I'm CIA Mossad,
but he just likes the mountains or something. That's how you generally describe people who
just like the mountains. Okay. And so he contacted suddenly the night before he says he
receives this call and butch the not CIA or Mossad agent, just the guy who likes the mountains
was like, Hey, I want to go to the Shai Kirk event. And that's an interesting timeframe
only because there was a lot happening the night before, right? Charlie's texting donors
that he has no choice, but to abandon of all things, the pro Israel cause. And Charlie,
he's not sleeping. Erica says it's because he was just so excited, which it would be the first
time. I got to tell you, I've traveled all around with this guy. Never that excited. Did UVU with him
to do a college event at UVU. But this is, I guess, a brand new Charlie. Now he's texting people
saying that he thinks he's going to be killed, that they're going to kill him. He's taking phone
calls from rabbis that are based in Israel. To be clear, their story is they he needed to learn how
So he was asking for debate tips from people like Josh Hammer and rabbis that are based in Israel.
And in addition to this, we learned that suddenly Butch Hibbs is overcome.
This mountain man is overcome by a need to attend the UVU event. And Butch Hibbs, by the way, is
very much involved in the Calvary Chapel, Utah. Okay. Okay, Jack Hibbs, your terms are acceptable.
We're just here to report on what you are saying. Let's proceed.
Now we know what happens next, obviously. While Butch is there on this last-minute whim,
Charlie gets hit with an explosive. And Pastor Jack Hibbs receives a phone call from his brother.
Here's what he told Todd Starnes of Fox News. This is on audio only, so take a listen.
My brother wants a ticket. He said, hey, here's my number. We'll set that up. And my brother
actually got a front-row seat. Charlie gave him a front-row seat.
And so the next thing I know, my brother's calling me, and I can hear people screaming and yelling,
and I can hear my brother telling me, Charlie's just been shot. Charlie's just been shot.
Okay. Now, it remains somewhat unclear to me whether Jack spoke to his brother Butch before
or after he has a FaceTime session with Frank Turek from the hospital. Yes, Frank Turek manages
a FaceTime. Jack, from the hospital, he has a FaceTime session with Frank Turek from the hospital.
Now, it's best you hear Jack explain it, because it's a little confusing. You're going to see he
develops a little bit of amnesia. They all do from that day. It's hard to remember.
But I want you to pay special attention to Frank Turek's posture, because it just reminds me of
like when my mom gave me a look at a restaurant, and I knew I was going to get popped when I got
home, because I made a mistake. I wasn't acting right. And he tries so hard to put the genie back
in the bottle, and then he just doesn't get it. And I'm like, okay, I'm going to get popped.
And he just claims amnesia. The whole exchange here is something to behold. Take a listen.
I'm trying to remember the sequence of things. I either got the first call from you or from Mikey.
It was one or the other. It was very, very close. I do believe you were the first one.
That was after we got to the hospital.
Okay, then I got the first call from Mike.
Because I was in the emergency room after we got Charlie there.
I remember.
He called you.
I remember what you were saying.
Yeah.
Okay, so Mikey called, and he said, Jack, get everyone in the world praying. There's so much
blood. There's so much. And he was beside himself, as you can imagine. Man, in that moment,
when I got that, I didn't believe it.
Then I FaceTimed you. I FaceTimed. We were talking. You saw I had blood on me.
You. So my brother calls, and he can't talk. He said, Charlie's been shot. Now, listen, I have
a relative whose name's Charlie, and he's very involved in politics, and he's all over the United
States. And I thought it was Charlie. Cousin Charlie got shot.
And I said, and I actually said, what do you do now? What did he do now?
And he said, Charlie Kirk got shot. And I said, what?
And he couldn't, he just broke down. I actually hung up on him. And I started making calls.
Your call came in, which was a FaceTime call. And yeah, you had blood on you.
Yeah. That's still, I haven't followed. I haven't just thought, I don't even know if I've
meditated on all of that. And then, of course, I went in, because it was online everywhere. I saw
the whole thing. But you, right away, got a prayer chain going. And then that happened at about 12:30,
Utah time.
Go meditate, Jack, because you're in trouble. Go to your room and meditate, because you, it was a good
effort there to try. I don't know the sequence of events. I don't, my cousin Charlie's in the
military. If anything, just blame it on your cousin Charlie. That's a good one. Then he says
his brother broke down. He doesn't remember. Was it Mike? Ah, the sequence is hard to remember.
Sequence is hard to remember when Frank Turk is looking like he wants to jump across a desk and
choke you out. I agree. What we got from that, Frank, Frank, I would not mess with that man
right there. It's a, the only fact I think we got out of that was suddenly he was like, you,
Mikey called you first. He was like, oh yeah, Mikey called me first. And he said, the prayer chain they
got going was about at 1230. So they got this FaceTime prayer chain going about 1230. That's
fast because Charlie was shot just seven minutes before then. That's a lot to happen in seven
minutes to be on a FaceTime prayer chain, right? That is just amazing to me that Frank Turek was
fined to start a FaceTime call from the emergency room amidst all of that chaos while Charlie was
dying. Brian Harple is jumping on top of him, presumably. I mean, they must have just arrived
to the hospital seven minutes later. He says, you know, he says about 1230, but he's
a military man. He's making probably accurate time estimates there for a military man, Frank Turek.
It just seems to me to be like an extraordinarily inappropriate thing to do, starting a FaceTime
call with Jack Hibbs. But what do I know? That's just my opinion, not a fact. A fact would be
that it seems implausible that Mikey called Pastor Jack before 1230, before he then was
FaceTimed by Frank. That maybe explains some of the mild discomfort in his face, because remember,
we had Mikey's call logs. He was on the phone from 1224 all the way through to 1244
with Elizabeth McCoy, with Erica, with his father, and then with Danny Phillip for
10 years. And he was on the phone all the way through to 1244 with Elizabeth McCoy, with Erica,
and then with Danny Phillip for 10 years. And he was on the phone all the way through to 1244
and then with Danny Phillip for 10 years. And he was on the phone all the way through to 1245
and then with Danny Phillip for 10 years. And he was on the phone all the way through to 1246
and then with Danny Phillip for 10 years. And he was on the phone all the way through to 1247
and then with Danny Phillip for 10 years. And he was on the phone all the way through to 1248
and then with Danny Phillip for 10 years. And he was on the phone all the way through to 1249
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so today is the day that Judge Graff is to rule
on whether or not there was enough preliminary evidence
to move Tyler Robinson forward to trial.
Now, to remind you all of what junction we are at,
all that has thus far taken place
is the preliminary hearing, right?
What that means is that the state
is being given an opportunity,
the prosecution is being given an opportunity
to present their case for why they believe
the trial should in fact move forward
with the charges that they listed,
the charges that they are seeking to bring forth.
And we know that that took place,
that preliminary hearing across five days in early July.
And I made it very clear to you guys
that under the Utah 1102 rule,
reliable hearsay is permitted at that stage.
Hearsay meaning, as just one example,
that's perfectly acceptable under Utah's constitution
for Lance Twiggs to submit a video testimony,
the prosecution, sorry,
the defense is not able to cross-examine him,
which seems so wild to us,
but this is, it's probative
that Lance's lawyer is able to lead him in questioning.
Normally there would be all of these objections
from the defense
because you aren't allowed to ask leading questions.
But for the sake of this probative hearing,
everything pretty much flies, right?
People,
you do not have to appear in person.
It's enough.
You sort of just trust the science
when Officer Bagley gets up there
or Officer Hull gets up there
and says he was told by someone
that this happened,
that Tyler Robinson's vehicle
pulled to the side of the road
and he remembered the plates.
And you're like, well, where is that officer
that shouldn't be here from him?
No, you don't have to hear from him at this stage.
It's not needed.
It is constitutional.
And it's just when you get to the trial
that none of that will be accepted.
Now,
the judge in this case is the magistrate.
He ultimately calls balls and strikes.
And to be clear,
it just seems that there are virtually
no balls and strikes at this stage.
Everything is evidence.
And to jog your memory,
there are seven charges in total
that the state is seeking to bring
against Tyler Robinson.
Andrew Wilson did not know any of these.
But the most severe and significant
is the aggravated murder charge
because that carries with it a death sentence.
That's not first.
That's not first-degree murder.
That is aggravated murder.
And it is worth noting
that never in the history of Utah
has there ever been an individual
found guilty of aggravated murder
where there was just one victim.
Someone who fired just one bullet
and had one victim?
Never.
The aggravating factor is a very steep standard.
And it's a steep standard for a reason
because it can't just become routine
for the state to put people to death, obviously.
You have to have done something
that they can't do.
They go, oh, this is like,
you should be put to death.
And typically to achieve that aggravating factor,
you would be dealing with a circumstance
where someone, and I'm giving you an example here,
plotted a bomb, right?
Or someone who sprayed multiple bullets.
There were many examples
when they were listing all of the legal jurisprudence
in this case,
someone who sprayed multiple bullets into a crowd,
demonstrating that their intention
was to murder in mass.
The prosecution is arguing
that they're not going to do that.
What they're bringing forth,
their claim is that Tyler Robinson
is the shooter,
but they're also arguing
that he only chose to fire one bullet
despite having more rounds in the chamber.
That makes it very difficult to argue
that he intended to commit a murder in mass, right?
They also have text messages
where he clearly says,
I'm going,
and they're alleging that these text messages are real,
that I'm going to see Charlie Kirk
and I have to do this
because his hate is too much
to negotiate, okay?
Well, that sounds like he had just one target.
So those arguments
are what the defense is engaging with.
So when they're coming up
and they're filing their dismissal,
they're basically saying,
we're not even going to argue anything yet
because just with the laws on the books,
you have the ability as the magistrate
to recognize that some of the charges
should just be dismissed.
They're defective charges right off the bat.
And they're saying aggravated murder,
that's defective.
That's defective because
without us even saying whether or not
these text messages are real,
whether he was,
we don't even have to do that legal work.
We don't have to spend that money,
spend that time or look at anything
because this charge is so defective
and their own arguments,
the prosecution's arguments prove that.
So what does the prosecution say to that?
The prosecution is saying,
well, okay, yeah,
maybe Utah has no history of ever doing this
and all these other states
have no history of doing this,
but we'd like to borrow from Pennsylvania law.
This is what they're actually arguing.
Pennsylvania,
Pennsylvania law and their jurisprudence
does meet this standard.
And so they,
in their response to the dismissal
are citing cases in Pennsylvania
where there was just one victim
and it was enough as an aggravating factor.
But these were actually extremely special cases
where actually the clear intention
was for there to be more than one victim,
but fate sort of intervened
and prevented that from occurring.
So somebody sprayed a bunch of bullets at kids,
but only one of the kids,
got hit and died.
That's one example of a case that they looked at.
So they brought the aggravating factor
because if this man had gotten his way,
more children would have been dead.
Also, ironically,
Pennsylvania,
Pennsylvania currently has a moratorium
on their death penalty altogether.
So it's a weird state to try to cite
to make that aggravating charge stick.
I'm not sure why they went for that.
I would be very shocked
if he moved forward with aggravating murder.
We would,
Utah would be making history in that case.
So that's what we're taking a look at.
Is their filing of dismissal going to hold?
They want that to be dismissed.
The other charges are as follows.
This is the second charge
is for felony discharge of a firearm.
Third is for obstruction of justice
because the prosecution is saying
that Tyler Robinson hid the firearm
that was used to shoot Charlie Kirk.
Then we have again,
obstruction of justice for their allegation
that Tyler Robinson also hid the clothing
that he wore during the shooting,
even though we are told,
that he did wear the maroon shirt
that he wore earlier that day.
Number five is witness tampering
for allegedly texting Lance
and saying delete this exchange.
The sixth charge is also witness tampering
for allegedly texting Lance
and telling him not to speak to police
and to lawyer up.
Now that is another charge
that they're saying,
just look on the books.
You, the magistrate,
should obviously drop this charge
because if you,
if he actually did that
and directed Lance Twiggs to stay silent
if police questioned him and to lawyer up,
that is his literal,
actual constitutional right.
You have a right to remain silent
and to lawyer up.
That's a very strong argument.
Count six should obviously
just be dismissed off the bat
because you're not tampering with a witness
if you tell them
that you have a constitutional right
to stay silent and to lawyer up.
So that's what,
that's what the defense argued
in their filing for dismissal of that charge.
So one, six, and seven,
they also argued to be dismissed.
The seventh charge is a violent offense
committed in the presence of a child.
Their argument, again,
just saying to the state,
we're not going to engage in anything,
but you can look at what's going on
and just say that this is a defective filing
because of the laws on the books.
And their argument was,
you're saying this happened at UVU.
UVU is a college campus.
It would not be a,
something that would be considered,
obvious that there would be children
present on a college campus. The presumption would be that there were no minor children present
because it's a college campus. So one, six, and seven is what they filed to dismiss. We're going
to hear back from that. And that should be happening, I guess, in the next. When are
they due back? They're on a break right now. In two minutes, they are due back. So I'm going to
take a brief break here to see if we are going to be able to catch it at all and make a decision
of whether to keep going and sort of watch it live or whether we'll just shut down for the day
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I do want to reiterate that my hope has been,
consistent in this, that I want this to move forward. Reasons are different from the reasons
that Turning Point USA wanted to move forward. It's because I just don't think that we will
ever be given an opportunity to really see this up close, the corruption of our government.
And I stand by Charlie's premonition about his death, that his death would be tied to a wider
awakening. And if this goes through, we've already seen the mechanics of our government in a way that
we have never seen it. We now know that the Department of
War is involved in the propaganda and trying to get Tyler Robinson convicted and going after people
who are asking meaningful questions, smearing people, putting people on payroll. Also,
the timeline of when they started putting people on payroll is very alarming to me.
We had been highlighting without even knowing the people that were working for them. Even Graham
Allen, I told you that he was working as a consultant for the Department of War and then
suddenly starts working for Turning Point USA and is doing so much propaganda for them. It, to me,
was some sort of a preparation. There would be no reason for the Department of War not to be on our
side and wanting to get to the bottom, especially at the helm of the Trump administration, wanting
to get to the bottom of who killed their friend, Charlie Kirk. So I am interested in seeing this
move forward because I think we are never going to have a brighter light shown on our government
corruption. I also think somehow this is going to be tied to the Epstein network, as I have,
I think, demonstrated the early seeds of that. A lot of the human trafficking themes, the phone
call that Trump made to Charlie in July, telling him to stop speaking about the Epstein files.
So I'm hoping this goes through. Obviously, I understand the downside of that would be
that a potentially innocent person, perhaps he's an accessory to murder, perhaps he was dumping
or played some role that day, which I've always thought that he was around campus on that day.
But it would, to me, I think it would be ultimately a good thing for us to
be able to sort of look this beast in the face, this beast of government in the face and to see
how it operates and to continue to watch Turning Point USA growing more desperate in their smears
and in their lies. I did see recently, again, they rely on public ignorance. Most people don't
go through trials. Most people are not being sued every single day. And so they are relying
on public ignorance of not knowing how trials function for them to be able to spin and to lie.
And to present things as if they're big wins. For example, I saw Blake pushing today. He's like,
look, look at all the terabytes that were given. Never before has more information been given in
this case to the defense. That is true. They handed over, as just one example, over one
million Discord messages. Just so you guys understand, that is a strategy. That is an
actual court strategy. So what happens is you at first say, we don't want to give it over.
We don't want to give it over. So let's say I was actually
working behind the scenes on Blake Lively, which I absolutely was not. But when she subpoenaed,
she said, I want your messages. And I say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And then
court intervenes and says, you absolutely must hand over your text messages. What I would then do
is hand over 10 years of text messages and say, good luck sifting through that one million messages.
Discord messages. So what you do is you oversupply. You oversupply so that they have a team that
it's impossible to go through. And that's what they said. They suddenly handed us over.
How many terabytes was it, Sky, that they handed them over?
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I'm going to give you the real Candace Owens account, the show account, and I'm going to give
you every single message that was ever sent to me on both of those accounts dating back to 2008.
Good luck. It is a real demonstrated court strategy that people do when they want to make sure that
they're effectively buried in so much information that they can't find what they're looking for.
And they have a timeline. And then the judge is going to push time. We got to get this going.
You got to find it. You got to find the needle in the haystack.
So that's what's going on there. And it's something to watch, something to behold. Again,
they are so obvious to me, especially because I understand court hearings,
unfortunately, because I'm constantly being sued. It is so obvious to me what they are
doing. It is so disturbing. It is so sick. They really are the shady bunch. And that's why I
want this to go forward. Because everybody's going to get exposed. You're getting exposed.
Okay. Top comments from last episode. This is
one. I don't even know if this was top comment. It's my favorite comment of all time. I can't
believe I didn't see it before. We were discussing Ben Shapiro and Mamma Mia writes this. She writes,
Ben Shapiro is like plankton on SpongeBob. Always after that secret recipe.
SpongeBob fans stand up. It's this little plankton imp. And every episode he's just
plodding to steal the Krabby Patty recipe. He just can't make, he doesn't have the sauce.
He can't make one himself that people love. And so he's constantly just like plodding
to get the recipe. And that's Ben. That's really is Ben in a nutshell. We're just like,
why can't you just create something successful yourself? He's like,
Bray Bart, mine. Ooh, Candace, I'll crush you in court. Mine. Charlie Kirk, I'll pick up that
bloody mic. And now he's announcing he's on tour. And everyone knows they were enemies. But I
guess Andrew Colvette thinks he has the power to sort of wipe, wipe history and make everybody
forget or something. It's totally wacky. But that was in very apt description. Thank you for that.
Also loved this comment regarding Justin telling me, bruising me, telling me that he doesn't
actually drink kombucha all that much. And I was like, we do not accept that. Your terms are
unacceptable. It is now a part of the folklore. Shock Vlog wrote, telling us that Justin doesn't
drink kombucha is like telling us there is no cornucopia in the fruit of a
loom logo. I simply won't believe it. I'm with you there. He's Mandela affecting us. Justin drank
kombucha probably since he was in the womb, I would say. I think that's fact. I am just going
to put that out there. And so his terms are, like I said, unacceptable. Anyway, getting into comments
on today's episode, we have Mama Mia. Oh, I already read that. Sorry. Yin Yang writes,
I love that you go max and hold a tight rope. I love that you love Christ and that you give us
hope. Greetings from Norway. I have not been to Norway. I've
been to a lot of European countries and I have not been to Norway. And I was just commenting
that I need to get up there.
there. So hopefully I will actually be able to greet you in Norway someday. Project Constitution
is live streaming, he says, the court. And he says, we are watching you while waiting for the
prelim to come back on. Go Max. Christ is King. BTW, our live is bigger than Andrew and Blake's
and the official Charlie Kirk account live streams combined. That's that's not actually
it's not difficult mountain to scale, I will say. Butch Hibbs could scale that mountain because
nobody watches them anymore. They are now constantly engaged in dishonesty. It's written
all over their faces that you can sense their frustration because people don't believe them
anymore. And so no one watches the Charlie Kirk show. And that's why we called Beavis and Butthead
show. It's completely irrelevant. But congrats to you for surpassing them. And yeah, I will be
jumping on and watching other streams to see what is going on. Coats writes, May God continue to
bless you and to keep you safe.
Love you. Thank you so much. See coats. Mother Deanna writes, Oh, my goodness, that conversation
is so incredibly uncomfortable to watch. Was that live Frank's face praying for all of their souls
regularly? Yeah, Frank was. Oh, I was like, he Jackie said too much. Then he was like, I don't
remember anything. It's hard to watch. It's hard to watch. But a lot was said that wasn't meant to
be said. And they tried to clean it up, but it wasn't that clean. And there we have it. Mark
writes, does anyone know?
The hearings are being geo fenced? Or is that only happening at churches and TP USA events?
That is hilarious, because it is a total plausibility. That's why it's hilarious.
They're geo fencing it sending your data to Israel, they're gonna target you and then tell
you why you have to support Israel. The October 7 experience as they were calling it in those
FARA filing docs, coming to a court to goer near you. Chris Angelo writes to the Fed stoppers write
about the oral arguments for the prosecution overwhelming is spoken at least five times along
with mountains of evidence. If not, could they have at least used a thesaurus a show trial? Indeed,
Christ is King. It is incredible why you can't just keep saying overwhelming. Okay, that he doesn't
make it happen. Gretchen, you can't make it fetch by just saying overwhelming, overwhelming,
overwhelming. And it's the more they say it, the more underwhelmed I feel. I don't know about the
rest of you. Zamit writes, here's what Candace haters might accuse her of.
If they were honest, they'd say, Candace, you are joyful, you are intelligent, you are humble,
you are loyal. How dare you, Candace? Oh, that's very sweet of you. I am joyful. And I, I feel
inspired. I do think that we are winning this. And you can see it, like I said, in their mannerisms
and their frustrations and their desperation of the things that they are coming up with to target.
And my response now is just to stay focused. And we're just warming up. Like I said, we've been
saving a lot.
Because we wanted to see in which direction this, this hearing would go, the preliminary hearing
would go, what would be decided. And we wanted everybody to be out there with their alibis and
the things that they said before we really go max. And I also obviously needed time to heal
and to have the perspective that it's, it's time to fight. So here we are, you guys. Anyway,
if you would like to support us, you know how to do that. Buy some merch.
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We are just starting a new book. Why am I so bad at remembering book titles?
Why am I like this? It is Rodney Stark, Bearing False Witness. Look at the people,
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Bearing False Witness by Rodney Stark. We are just starting that book on Friday. So it's a great time
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is a stop anti-Candacism because there's so much of it. You could buy one. You could gift one to
Pete Hegseth. That would be really sweet. If you could gift one to Pete Hegseth, you could gift
one to Data Republican. And you could write a note and say, why, why do you look so much like
Tyler Robinson? Hmm. Where were you Data Republican, Jenica Pounds on September 10th?
Anti-Candacism. Stop your crappy little threads. You could buy one and you could gift one to Bill
Ackman. Now that'd be weird because he has a lot of money, a lot of money to spend,
but he might accept that anyways. I'm thinking about doing that. I'd even sign one for these
sorts of people. Blake Neff, who is a super stand-ist, but pretends he doesn't watch every
second of the show. Hey, Blakey, we know you're watching Blakey. We are, and you're going to just
tweet and pretend you weren't. Someone sent me this clip. Yeah. Yeah. You're a little stalker.
It's fine. Poor Charlie. You know what? You were the person who was not friends with him. You just,
he did a solid for Tucker Carlson. You sat next to him. You didn't even start working until the
beginning of like 2024. So you knew Charlie for a year and a half and you were just like an annoying
person who sat there because he's a good friend to Tucker. That's, that's really what happened.
You don't know him at all. The fact that you said, I saw the donors, his friends, you just,
you had no idea what sort of a human being Charlie was. And you just had, you were so short-sighted
could continue his legacy. You just don't have it, kid. You don't have it. The Beavis and Butthead
show will go on though, and we will see how far they take it. They're going to take it far, far,
I think. Anyway, you guys, I don't think we have any updates right now with the court hearing. So
I'm going to jump off really because I'm just hungry. If I'm being honest with you guys, I just
am at the stage of pregnancy where the idea of like missing a meal, do this live when I get
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Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The show investigates the connection between Tyler Robinson’s case and the broader network of political and religious figures, including Turning Point USA and Calvary Chapel, highlighting suspicious patterns of coordination and timing.
Key figures like Butch Hibbs and Pastor Jack Hibbs are scrutinized for their presence at the UVU event on September 10, with allegations of prior knowledge of Charlie Kirk’s death and rapid mobilization of prayer efforts, raising questions about their motives and potential infiltration.
The defense argues that the aggravated murder charge against Tyler Robinson is legally defective due to lack of evidence of mass intent, and that several other charges—such as witness tampering and obstruction—violate constitutional rights or are based on flawed logic, urging dismissal.
Summary:
The show dives into the unfolding legal case against Tyler Robinson, questioning the validity of the aggravated murder charge due to the absence of mass intent, given that only one bullet was fired. The defense argues that multiple charges—including witness tampering and obstruction—are legally unsound or constitutionally invalid, especially since they rely on misleading claims about Tyler’s actions. A central focus is the suspicious involvement of figures like Butch and Jack Hibbs from Calvary Chapel, whose rapid response to Charlie Kirk’s death—via phone calls, prayer chains, and public statements—raises concerns about prior knowledge and potential coordination.
The show highlights how Turning Point USA and related groups appear to operate with a high degree of secrecy and coordinated messaging, possibly as a deliberate smear campaign. It also notes a strategic legal tactic: the prosecution’s reliance on Pennsylvania law, which has rare precedents for aggravated murder with one victim, appears inconsistent and potentially misleading. The defense contends that simply handing over massive volumes of text data—like over a million Discord messages—may be a tactic to overwhelm investigators, rather than to provide meaningful evidence.
Ultimately, the host emphasizes the importance of the case advancing to expose systemic corruption, particularly within government and religious networks, and warns that public ignorance of legal processes enables misinformation. The episode concludes with a call to action for viewers to support the investigation, while also acknowledging the personal and emotional toll of the situation.
FAQs
A mathematician estimates the probability of meeting Justin Baldoni in Iceland to be about one in 80 million.
The speaker suggests that Pastor Jack Hibbs may have received information through connections with the Calvary Chapel network, which is linked to pro-Israel activities and individuals involved in the events surrounding Charlie Kirk's assassination.
Butch Hibbs, a member of Calvary Chapel, attended the event and was seen with Charlie Kirk. He later called his brother, Pastor Jack Hibbs, after hearing that Charlie had been shot, indicating a close connection to the event and immediate awareness of the incident.
The defense argues that the charge is defective because Tyler Robinson only fired one bullet and had no intention to kill multiple people, which makes the aggravating factor legally insufficient under Utah law.
The prosecution cites Pennsylvania law to support the aggravating factor, though it is noted that these cases involved unusual circumstances—such as a mass shooting that was interrupted—making them weak precedents.
The defense argues that telling a witness to remain silent is a constitutional right, not tampering, and thus the charge is invalid under the law.
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