Breaking Down The Alien Agenda - David Icke | DEBRIEFED ep. 81

David Icke, a British author, researcher and speaker who's challenged mainstream views for over three decades. Born in 1952 in Leicester, England, he began as a professional footballer, then became a prominent BBC sports broadcaster and journalist. But in the early 1990s, he left the mainstream media after a now famous TV appearance where he was widely mocked for his emerging views on reality and power. They're laughing at you. They're not laughing with you. Fine. He has since authored more than 20 books, including The Biggest Secret, exploring theories of reptilian shapeshifters, interdimensional beings influencing humanity, and a reincarnation cycle trapping souls in illusion. Once dismissed, many of his warnings about global control and hidden agendas have gained new attention as recent revelations and events unfold. And at 73, he still remains a very provocative voice. So Sid, thank you so much for joining us. Sit down, strap yourselves in, and for the next few hours, I ask that you suspend your disbelief as we welcome David Icke. David, thank you so much for joining me and thank you for inviting me here. Pleasure. A lot of things I want to talk about today. There's a few conversations. First of all, I think that talking to you in the current, climate and the current situation of the world is quite fitting. And it feels like you're through what we're seeing and all the alternative media that's come out and just people being open to this idea of the subconscious or the unconscious or consciousness in general. It feels like you're being more and more vindicated throughout this portion of history. How do you feel about that? Yeah, well, I remember when I started out, consciously started out in 1990. And in the years that followed, I mean, I couldn't generate any interest in any of this stuff. I couldn't generate interest in the fact that a few people were running the world and they weren't who people thought were running the world. The whole idea of consciousness, like who are we, where are we, what is this place? And when I look at it now, 36 years later, well, I know people say, people aren't waking up fast enough. Well, okay, I'll go with that. But they should have been with me in 1990. I mean, to me, this is dreamland now, because there are so many people who, would have waved this whole stuff away before and said, ridiculous, crazy, who are now beginning to look and say, well, maybe it's not so crazy. So it's great in that sense. But, you know- Do you feel a sense of vindication? Well, vindication in the sense of what I've talked about and what I've said is the plan for humanity has turned out to be incredible. And I think it's a great thing. I think it's a great thing. And I think it's increasingly true, has been for a long time now. But it is also frustrating because I've seen people come into the alternative media, which didn't exist when I started out, it was just a few disparate individuals handing out leaflets. No internet as we know it now. They've come in and they've been, you know, they've been, you know, they've been, you know, they've basically taken it over. And they've taken it over in terms of algorithmic promotion because the algorithms now are absolutely bottom line if you want to get information out. Because if the algorithms are suppressing you, what's called shadow banning, then it doesn't matter how many people follow your page, say on X, you will not have X numbers of those people seeing what you post unless they go to your page and actually look at you individually. And what this kind of hijack has done is come in and stop what should be the constant expansion of questions about everything. Tell you what I mean. You come in and you say the conspiracy is politics and finance and the system. It's the world of the scene. That's it. And so what you're doing with people that go with that is they may have been there before and now they've gone there, but they're still in a box because it might be a slightly bigger box, but it's still a box. And they're still in a box. And they're still in a box because they're not going beyond it. It's like, oh, everything's here. And if you notice now, so much of what is put out as the, in the conspiracy arena is like going round and round. It's like an Eddie in the river. The Eddie, the river is flowing past knowledge, potential knowledge, insight, all that stuff. But you're going round and round, basically repeating the same stuff. And I've always worked, and it's served me very well on the principle of what's attributed to Socrates, the ancient Greece philosopher, which is to know is to know, you know, nothing or put another way, wisdom is knowing how little we know, because what that does is you always know. And this really is one of, I guess, one of the few things that can't be challenged. But whatever we know or think we know, there's always more to know. And once you put a lock and a block upon that expansion into, okay, I think I've got this, but what don't I know? You are creating this Eddie and you're stopping the expansion of awareness into those areas, not only to understand the scale, but to understand the scale of the expansion of awareness. So, I've always worked on the premise of whatever I know, I've always worked on the premise of whatever I know, there's always more to know. And that has taken me on an extraordinary journey from in the early nineties, uncovering this, what I call global cult, this global network of secret societies that are driving world events, fiercely compartmentalized. It's the inner circle that's really doing the driving. And then it, it, it, my next question was, okay, so when did this start? Because obviously it didn't start five minutes ago or 50 years ago, and you start to look back and, and, and you get comfortably back into a Roman and Babylon and Egypt and all that stuff. And, and you realize actually that this has been going on all through this period of what we call history or what we think is history. And so then the next question you, you, you, you ask when you, you're saying, okay, what don't I know is what's the common factor that has spanned this period of time where people have been born into this cult, if you like, they have played a part in advancing its control and then they've died. And then other people or their own consciousness has come back and it's, it's gone. On to present day. So what, what is the force that spanned that, that, uh, that whole period? And what I have found is that when you ask the big questions, you get the big answers. When you keep asking questions and you, you, you, uh, you really want to know the answers. It's not just an add on. You really want to know the answers. As I understand it, uh, I've understood it more and more as this period has gone on, we are interacting with, um, the quantum level, if you like of reality, and we are creating a feedback loop between our perceptions of reality, including our questions of reality and the quantum level. of of energy that level of all possibility all potential waiting to manifest how do we manifest it with our perceptions of reality what you believe you perceive what you perceive you experience and so by continually asking these big questions like okay so what is this force that um that spans this this whole period and suddenly the synchronicity and you know i know young carl young talked about synchronicity but what is synchronicity synchronicity if you if you break it down is our interaction with all possibility with all potential and so you know people talk about prayer when they're praying for help you know people talk about prayer when they're praying for help from god yeah but but is it god that's delivering or is it you that's delivering by the focus of attention that you're giving to to your interaction with this quantum level of all possibility so what what i've um what i've been experiencing through these years when i've asked the big questions and the next question the answers have come and they've come through synchronicity walking into people documents books um personal experiences and so on that have been like handing me puzzle pieces in a in a jigsaw that's actually pretty much in the order necessary to see where they go and so what this is just to finish the way that what this is done it's taken me from those that run the world are not people who seem to be running the world it's it's all happening in the shadows to what they're doing and what they're doing and what they're doing and what they're doing and what they're doing and what they're doing and what they're doing and what they're doing happened um in the mid-1990s where this whole non-human aspect of the uh human control came in that's the the force that spans these generations from another dimension of reality and uh on to the nature of reality itself which includes i have long concluded like about the turn of the millennium that this is actually a a this reality is the equivalent of a vastly advanced um virtual reality uh computer game and we are being uh manipulated to um stay within its its orbit of control there's a lot to unpack there that's um you know there's so many teachings and so many books and so you know point to some semblance of this uh being the reality that we're interacting with even you know quantum physics and and sort of if you look into um simulation theory and it all kind of plays within this a little bit but what you're um i guess suggesting is that there is a controller on the other end of this and that controller um you know might have some type of personal control and that's what we're interacting with and that's what we're interacting with through doing this whatever that gain might be whether that's you know we talk about louche like you know robert monroe's sort of teachings or whether we talk about just keeping everything in a lower vibration for you know whatever whatever personal appeal that might offer them um i want to go back to in the mid 90s you met with a zulu shaman um credo mutua yeah that was very late 1990s yeah and and you know six hour interview uh it was i watched the whole thing it was really interesting because not only does he mention the sort of uh the shatari i think which are like essentially reptilians by the same definition or reptile like beings uh but also uh these other beings that were sort of like nordics like these tall blondes that would have the ability to sort of disappear and yeah he always talked about the greys and the greys as well i thought that was really interesting because you don't often hear sort of a comprehensive sort of i guess picture based on all of these different species and what their role is but he kind of had a really comprehensive explanation for all of this how much has his teachings and his stories how much has that impacted how you see the phenomenon not not as much as you would think uh because the relationship with myself and credo um was one of he would tell me the the ancient stories of africa and the zulu legends and the zulu accounts and i would tell him what i'd learned in the modern world and the extraordinary thing was is why we got on so well is we tell it we told the same story because by the time i came across um credo mutwa when i was speaking in um south africa um i'd already um concluded that there was a reptilian non-human uh level of human control that this this global cult of secret societies it certainly it's it's in a core was um basically the vehicle within our reality which is only a band of frequency for imposing upon humans the agenda that was coming from this other reality what people call the astral reality and so i i'd concluded many of the things that he told me about but what he did which added massively to it was confirm that um the ancient stories were telling the same story that i was covering like when i was um in america um during the 1990s i mean i was talking to nobody i was supposed to be on a speaking tour well well that was great uh but uh i was speaking to chairs not people most of the time and um but what i what was happening then is i was meeting all these different people and i was meeting all these different people whistleblowers people formerly of the military people who experience ufos and stuff um and they were telling me all this this stuff they told me about the reptilian stuff well not not just them i was getting this from members of the public i remember there was a period in um what would it be um 1996 when uh 96 yeah when i was speaking to no bugger um night after night in different places and in a period of 15 days i met 12 separate people who told me the same story of how they'd seen this is synchronicity how they'd seen um shape someone appear to be human who shifted into a reptilian form so by the time i met credo um this was this was starting to become clear in my mind but what he added was was a lot of things that the phenomenal knowledge he had of of the ancient legends and the ancient accounts and also of course he talked about um his own um abduction by what appeared to be gray and entities um which was a classic uh abduction in so many ways and so it was like a fusion of the two and uh was very very helpful so let me take a second to talk to you about the quality of this show obviously i spend a lot of time you know perfecting fine tuning even set building lighting all the components that go into movie making but i do this on a weekly basis for youtube and anyone dabbling in social media or making their own videos knows that it's a lot of work and so sometimes i like using ai to help me tell a story especially a story that involves things that are 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So I'll drop the link below. Please use my link if you can, if you're going to sign up and let me know how you got on. Thank you Higgs field for sponsoring this video. I think where it gets so complicated with all of this stuff is that, you know, you have this idea of an overarching agenda, but then individually there are hundreds of thousands of cases and all of these cases have a varying amount of interactions. Like you said, a lot of them have, you know, classic displays of, you know, being taken from your, your bedroom at night, being, you know, you had these things performed on you, these specific procedures, you meet a few entities on board, they show you the end of the world, they give you a tour of the ship and they bring you back. And it's like this kind of, but within that you have a varying degree of, you know, some of them felt like they were benevolent. Some of them felt like they were malevolent. Some of them felt like they were hurting me, others. And so there's this varying, varying degree of what seems like agendas behind, you know, these altercations. How do you sort of, I guess, what do you make of all of that? Does it all fall under the same umbrella or are there different species interacting with us or is this all just part of the same control system? Well, I think in the end it's part of the same control system. And I, and I think that, um, you can, you can equate, um, a lot of these abduction experiences, uh, in the way you've described, you know, there are common themes to them and then, but there, there can be a bit different here and there, but there's, there's common themes to near death experiences. When, when the body dies, it ceases, I would say, to, um, decode this simulation, uh, reality. And you find yourself in a, in another dimension of reality with completely different quote laws of physics. And it's all, the, the tunnel and the light and, and, uh, the, um, the, the life review. I mean, it's, I mean, they, they are absolutely classic. I I've, I've listened and read so many of these accounts over the years. Um, the near that the near death, near death ones. Yeah. And, but I've also talked to many people who've had these abduction experiences and, um, I I'm not, I'm not, uh, sure you can necessarily put them all in, in, in, in one box. Um, it's, um, it's not something where everyone has exactly the same experience, but, um, there are very compelling, uh, common themes and, you know, in this, um, sequence of, um, unfolding awareness through, okay. So what don't, I know, um, it took me eventually into, um, the understanding that this human reality, like I say, just a band of frequency is actually ultimately being manipulated from another level within this matrix simulation that we call the astral dimension. And, um, that that astral dimension is where, um, at least the great majority of these so-called, um, extraterrestrials, um, are in terms of the reptilians and, and, and, and other, and other types. And I, I, I remember, um, again, what's happened in my life is I've reached conclusions from various research I've done and okay, I think this is what's going on. And then something will come along. I'll give you a massive confirmation of, yeah, that's, that, that's, that's, um, on the ball. So, um, I eventually came across Robert Monroe, um, the Monroe Institute who, uh, developed this ability to project his consciousness into the astral dimension, the gateway process, of course, yeah, the gateway process. And also how the us, uh, military got involved, their psychological, uh, and, uh, and did this study of the gateway process and the projection that into the astral. And, and what, what, what hit me, um, was that the, the astral travelers, if you like in the study, uh, came across so many reptilian entities in the astral, they gave them the collective name of the alligators and, uh, and, and, and that was like, well, that's what I concluded, uh, that, that this, these, um, uh, entities were coming from the astral. So, you know, once you, if it will put it another way, if you don't research this vast range of subjects that may not seem to have any connection, you're never going to get the picture. And the key one, to understand um everything is the nature of reality and the nature of the of the eye the real eye not the human body eye it's just an experience i mean consciousness the infinite eternal eye but also the fact that we are in a a a band of frequency and even within this band of frequency uh the the human sight can only see a tiny tiny ridiculously narrow uh smear of it called visible light and so if if you don't look at the nature of reality and of course if if you're looking at your schools and your education system and your media and what have you where most people get their information from therefore their perception of reality they don't talk about this you know orthodox science um is uh the the the the point of reference that the media and and education takes it takes it point of reference from in terms of reality but when you really uh are willing to to break out of the box and explore beyond the the limitations of orthodoxy you you so many questions suddenly become answered like you know i've said many times one thing that children should be told at the earliest time that they can grasp it is that when they look through their eyes they're not seeing everything in the space that they're looking at they're only seeing a tiny band of frequency visible light and therefore you know there is this this this imposed sense of normal that you get from the education system and the media etc it's it's it's not just a a a perceptual prison in the the wider sense it's a perceptual prison about the very reality that we're experiencing for instance the norm is that people just accept is normal is that when you look through your eyes you're seeing everything in the space you're looking at okay you're seeing everything in the space oh yeah of course i am yeah yeah okay so where's the wi-fi then where's the wi-fi you see but you can't see it can you no you can't because you can only see a narrow band of frequency so for instance people say um well honestly mate i'm standing there and this ufo appeared out of nowhere and then it just disappeared into nowhere or or people say i i woke up and there was this entity at the end of the bed just appeared and then it disappeared and of course normal goes what are you on mate that's ridiculous that's impossible control of the sense of the possible is one of the greatest forms of human perceptual control so this is why we have all the science here and no further but what's happening of course is something enters visible light suddenly to the observer they've seen it come out of nowhere it leaves visible light changes its frequency bang it's disappeared into nowhere and these things can be perfectly explainable but only when you get into the deeper levels of the nature of reality and and the system doesn't want you to do that you know if you um are a religious follower and you've got this religious story don't matter what religion it is all basically the same you've got this religious story um if you go beyond the religious story first of all you you're perceived as a blasphemer but if you start to explore um what's called the hidden the hidden knowledge well what is another word for hidden occult so suddenly you are um dabbling in the occult no no no no you're dabbling in hidden knowledge which can be used for um horrific things and it is or it can be used to set us free. It's just hidden knowledge. But religion says, if you go into the occult, that's the devil. Now, orthodox science, which is another religion, by the way. Scientism. Yeah, scientism. Exactly it is. So it says, this is the story. This is the orthodox science story about reality. And if you go there, you're a pseudo-scientist or you are dabbling in the paranormal. And they put para in front of normal because they are seeking to describe a phenomena or phenomenon that happens that they can't explain from the orthodox. It's magic to them. Yeah. So, if I can't explain it, it can't be happening. That's the orthodox science mindset. It's easier to blame your own perception. Yeah, exactly. But what you've therefore got, you've got people like Professor Richard Dawkins, who's at Oxford University, has written all these books lambasting religion. Okay, that's fine. But you're the high priest of your own, mate. Because you are limiting exploration into all possibility and all potential in the same way that religions are by calling it the occult. And those that want to know the truth, they don't want a round of applause or a statue. They just want to know what's going on, what this reality is and how it's controlled and to what end. Then they're the ones that are willing to go there. And outside the boxes. And of course, when you go there, as I well know, you're going to get massive ridicule, condemnation, you're going to be mad and bad and all the other labels that are given to you. But if you care about what's happening rather than what people think of you, then you'll go anyway. And that's the only way we're really going to uncover is to have no limit to what we will explore in the very sense of wisdom is knowing how little we know. So you're going to keep asking that question. Okay, so what don't I know? And when you do that, it takes you into some far out areas. You won't know. It takes you some far out areas very, very quickly. And people think you're crazy. But as we talked about at the start, of our chat here, you can have a choice. You can go with the world, go with the norms, because you fear what other people might say if you don't. Or you can go your own way. And if what you say has validity, the world will come to you. And that's what's been, what's been happening. And the world has come towards me for the simple reason that events in the world have started to happen that have made people question the version of the world they had before. And things that you've foretold in a lot of the senses. I want to get back to discussing this interdimensional control system, because I think that's a very important thing. And I think that's a big pill for a lot of people to contemplate and to ponder on, you know, because there are so many different schools of thought, whether they're sort of this entity or this force is benevolent, neutral, or malevolent. Like there are all these different, different schools of thought. But in the sense of this reptilian force that you've talked about, and that you've written about so many times, how do you reconcile the non-physical aspect of it? With these physical encounters? What is that? Is this itself instantiating in our own physical to control our decisions? Is it like, what's the point of this? Because I've heard the same stories. I've had a lot of people come to me as well and saying, yeah, I was, you know, I saw this person, they, in their words, phase shifted and transformed into like some lizard and looked at them. I was kind of chuckled and walked away. And like these really bizarre, terrifying stories that I'd be frightened of if they happened to me. I fail to see how the two are sort of cooperating. Okay. This could take a while, but I'll keep it as brief as I can, because there's so many aspects to this that I need to be dock connected to make sense of it all. First of all, let's start with this. When people think about heaven, or am I going to heaven? They look up, right? It's not like that. These dimensions of reality share the same space, but they're on different wavelengths. And just like radio and television stations, they share the same space, but they're on different wavelengths. And therefore they don't interfere with each other unless they're close on the dial. And there's a level of this astral dimension that is very close to this one. And there can be interference, which is where you see things like ghosts and these other paranormal things. So there's, first of all, what is this matrix? And what's really become very clear to me as the years have gone on is just how this explosion of technological advancement of computers and AI and on virtual reality games and stuff, how that is absolutely mirroring the way we interact with the matrix. Because what I'm saying this simulation is, is an interactive field of information. So it's, it can be so well symbolized by wifi and a computer. So if I said to people who knew nothing about computers and nothing about wifi, that in this room was a field of information, which if you get the right kit, you can tap into it and it will take that information and it will put it on the screen in a completely different version to how that information exists in the, in the, in the wifi field. People would look at me and go, you're fricking mad mate. Where is it? I can't see it. Well, actually you can't see it because you can hardly see anything mate. Visible light is so tiny. It's a joke. I don't think that's an accident. And, um, but if I said, uh, it to people now who know about computers, know about wifi, they'd go, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I know about that. Wifi. Yeah. Computers. Yeah. Everyone knows that. Everyone knows that. Yeah. But what's the difference between your mad mate and, Oh yeah, I know about that knowledge. That's all it is. And it's a wonderful example of how, if you suppress knowledge, you suppress perception of the possible, right? So we've got this field of information and it's interactive. It is affecting us, but we are like posting on the internet. Our perceptions affect it, which is why they want to keep us asleep because then we're not expanding our awareness and impacting on the field. So the next question is, okay, so how do we interact with that field of information? And I say that this, and I've been saying this since the 1990s, that the human body, is a biological computer, a biological software. And we have this idea that the biological is natural and the technological is human made, but how do we know that? What you have to do to know that is to have something that is unquestionably, unimpeachably natural to compare it with. We don't have that. We think we have that, but we don't. And I know from researching these cultists over all the decades, they don't treat the biological as natural. They treat it as an advanced form of technology, which I say the body is. So you've got the body, which is the desktop computer, which is fantastically more advanced. And you've got the Wi-Fi field of the matrix. And we are decoding, like a computer, that information into a totally different form that we experience as a physical reality apparently physical reality it's not really um and so i'm saying that the the the body is a biological computer that's decoded the matrix now um if i said um that to most people they'd say that's crazy how can this be a computer it's a body okay so when's the last time you thought about breathing only when you were out of breath you know do you stop and say okay hold a second just stop the conversation a second i've just eaten something i've just got to focus and and digest it no just digest it digest it the body is making and tinkering little changes all the time you go into a hot room it will um it will uh impact uh on the body to to meet that challenge of a hot room if you go into a cold place the opposite will happen and what i'm saying is that there is also going through the body psychological programs they are behavioral programs they are reaction programs for instance there's a an area at the back of the the brain called the reptilian brain fully enough when i don't think it's funny i think it's appropriate and or the r complex as some scientists call it and and from that we get fight or flight we get the survival instinct these are psychological responses so there's a psychological aspect to the biological computer but we are consciousness ultimately we are a state of awareness a state of being aware the question is how aware how how far do we expand out into this field of consciousness the matrix has been created to make sure we don't go very far and ideally that the biological computer program will dictate our behavior our responses what have you and you know you can um you can sit quietly and you can listen to the chatter going through your your head you can you can listen to the the the chatter that's constantly going the white noise chatter of um oh you know she said this to me i'd say this to her and i said that to her and i'm glad i said that and all this chatter is going on all the time but you can observe it you can observe the chatter and you can listen to the chatter the question is what's observing it consciousness the real you is is observing the chatter what's the chatter it's the program playing out right so then i i looked at um how mainstream science explains how we um experience reality how we basically interact with reality and it's through the five senses overwhelmingly um and what um what we're doing the five senses is they are um interacting with a frequency field i say the frequency field of information uh the matrix and if you go massively beyond in frequency terms beyond the walls of the matrix you enter infinite reality and that's when you start to see the real thing going on because you're starting to tap in with something outside of the matrix and that's what we call awakening true awakening is when we we expand our awareness our consciousness to um tap into that level of knowledge awareness insight that is beyond the matrix frequency uh walls and so we are tapping in through the five senses to this uh matrix um information frequency system the five senses turn that frequency to the matrix and that's when we start to see the real world and that's when we start to see the real world and that's when we start to see the information into electrical information they communicate it to the brain and there's different parts of the brain that specialize in the different senses and the brain then forms a sense of reality uh and um i'm talking now but there's no words passing between us what's passing between us is a vibrational field generated by my vocal cords it's picked up by your hearing senses um and mine um it's turned into electrical information it's sent to the brain and the brain then decodes it into the words we think we're hearing so so even even even even we are communicating now with a through a vibrational field and all the senses work like this and um if you um then take what that really means is that although we're sitting here and it appears that we have are sitting in an external reality reality only exists in here doesn't exist out here it seems to be but it doesn't and so once you then realize that there is no physical there is only energy and consciousness of different vibrational frequencies for instance um i'm sitting here now and i can see a wall i can see cameras i can see a light i can see the books and a cabinet um and everything in between those forms appears to me appears to everyone to be empty space so what is form einstein said this among other people it's energy that has been condensed to a slow enough vibration to be picked up by visible light within the visible light frequency band therefore we can see it everything else between the form appears to be empty space it's not empty it's it's full of energy but it's at a frequency that's outside of visible light so it appears to us to be um to be uh to be empty space so when you then ask the question so how come we're experiencing apparently a physical world what is it you then realize and more and more scientists are now mainstream scientists are beginning to to really see this that actually we're living in a holographic reality that's going on in here um and when you see the advancement now in our world of um holographics i mean there's a in the the east of london there's a show going on um all the time of abba abba when they were younger in their prime and they're all holograms and uh holographics is becoming um more and more prevalent in the world of holograms and they're all holograms and they're you see people like elvis as a hologram doing a duet on the stage with a a a living uh celine dion for instance that that's you can see on the internet so um we're we're moving more and more as technology uh advances to the very reality that we're experiencing so um if you go on the internet and you um put in a on a video platform worse to the effect of um people going crazy with virtual reality games sure you you see them they're in a room like this and it's the you know it's just a normal room then the the senses are decoding the matrix into this reality then they put the headset on even more so with the the gloves and the the hearing uh senses yeah you're tricking your senses and yeah and in literally seconds their complete sense of reality is taken over especially as they become more and more sophisticated and you know people that develop these um virtual reality games they're saying it won't be long before you won't be able to know the difference between this reality and what they call simulated reality in other words simulated reality and simulated reality which which might mean that we're already in one and yeah yeah yeah because i think i think um when you put on a virtual reality headset you're in a virtual reality within a virtual reality that's what i this is the way the way i see it but what what you see is this extraordinary capturing immediately of the sense of reality the sense of perception of people when they put the headset on and you know i i've used um some of these clips in in in my talks and you know you you have people where there's there's a woman in in one clip and um she's standing in a room you know quite a lot of people in it someone's holding her uh hand or arm and saying it's okay it's okay you're you're in a room it's just a game she is gone because to her it ain't a game right and so now imagine because what you can do in with a virtual reality game is you can go just a game but if your biological computer is constantly decoding the matrix and delivering to you a sense of reality which you can interact with and override with consciousness but otherwise the the biological computer is is running your life um then from from from from the moment consciousness enters the body in say in the womb right the way through until the the body ceases to function you're being fed the equivalent of having a headset on your entire life not only that everyone else you're interacting with has got a headset on i think there's a very good chance you're going to believe that the reality that you are being you're having delivered is real and then you look at death what is death well we don't die we can't die when i say the eye consciousness but the vehicle the biological computer at some point ceases to function when it ceases to function it ceases to decode the matrix and deliver this reality to you and you are then freed to to enter probably the reality that you are in and you are then free to to enter probably the reality that we're always in all along uh in terms of consciousness and that's that's this astral reality or beyond it and you you you are experiencing something that's totally bloody different to anything you've experienced before or you you think you've never experienced it before um and and that's where the sort of samsara's wheel comes in yeah yeah and all and then then you're on the wheel of samsara as the buddhists call it yeah uh back into this back into this reality on the basis of crossing the river of forgetfulness and learning lessons to um to evolve which is a total scam so i this this is something really interesting that i want to touch on because i think this particularly uh this subject of the afterlife and why we're here reincarnation you know these are subjects that i think are the oldest things that we've been talking about this is what religions are made of it is our greatest fear it is the deepest question that humans have you know there's a lot of contention i want to get back to the reptilian stuff a little bit later because i do have a lot of questions there about the physical nature of it and the metaphysical nature of it but since we're on this what i'm saying what i'm saying on that subject is there is no physical so we're talking about physicality right but i mean like our perception of physical you know another dimension but the only difference between the other dimension and what we call physicality is the frequency that the the the that they inhabit yeah that it's that it's resonating on and and you know it's my view that you can change that frequency right i mean in many ways you know you look at um uh these astral travelers you know robert monroe etc who could project his consciousness into another reality he's he's basically um projecting himself into another reality within the frequency band of that reality that's basically in reverse what these uh reptilian entities are doing they're able to move between dimensions so do you think there is a because i mean are you familiar with the lucerta files this dot this interview that happened in like the early 2000s allegedly in sweden between a man and a woman who you know claims to be reptilian yeah i've come across that yeah yeah and so she she i mean there's a lot of information there and it's quite interesting because as you gather a lot of this information it seems to corroborate like what she's been saying which is you know just interesting data points um but she does talk about having like you know this control system that they're working with governments and not unlike what you've been talking about as well but also that there are these like colonies underneath like asia that exists i do think that's i think i think you know when people say you know are they physical or are they not physical i would say well actually uh all of the above but they're here yeah some some are i'm sure they're within the earth operating within um the frequency band that that of of of our frequency band human frequency band and but i i say that the real uh point of reference the real point of control is actually in this other dimension why are they here then what's the point of being here you think well i mean they're not you know they're not necessarily um uh all involved in um in in in manipulation i mean you know just because something's reptilian doesn't mean it's it's uh you know you know evil in in its in its own sense um in and of itself i'm i'm just saying that this this other dimensional level is but i do think that that um they are interacting with the human uh quote elite and human science and all that stuff within these very deep dumbs or deep underground uh military bases all around the world which um tend i would say from what i can gather to open out into areas where these reptilians are you know when you when you look at these um these underground bases and you talk to people like i did a lot in the 90s when i was traveling america who've been in those bases you need a higher security clearance the lower you go down to the point where were explaining to me how um you are weighed in and weighed out to make sure that when you come out you you're not carrying anything you didn't take in um and and the the deeper you go the more extreme it becomes until you you're into these um uh you know cage children and what have you and you know on uh iconic where we are now iconic.com um we've had people on um former military people who've talked about interacting with reptilians in the and and grace in these underground working alongside working alongside them yeah um uh but what i'm saying is that the real point of control is coming from this this this astral dimension um and i'm not saying that all reptilians are going to be able to do that um but i'm not saying that all reptilians are going to be able to do that um but i'm not saying that all reptilians are going to be able to do that reptilian entities are you know by their very nature of being reptilian kind of horrible but um i the the ones i'm talking about and once i'm exposing who are you know generating this agenda and it's not it's not only reptilian it's multiple but reptilian seems to be a dominant form um i say they are deeply deeply deeply unpleasant but the other thing is um if if i whether i'm human or whether i'm not human my behavior is dictated by my consciousness my state of awareness that dictates it right and the the key to this whole matrix for me this simulation is the consciousness that's behind it not um you know entities for their one level of it is the consciousness that's behind it not um you know entities for their one level of it but what is the consciousness that's dominating and impacting upon the awareness and thus the behavior of those entities what's the consciousness that's impacting upon the behavior and awareness of this global cult especially its inner inner circles and i tell you what i always look for um when i've been researching all any all this i'm looking for patterns of agreement it's easy to find patterns of disagreement but what are the patterns of agreement what are the patterns of agreement between people organizations religions ancient stories that would in many other areas disagree but what do they agree on and one of the things they agree on very demonstrably is that this reality is being manipulated from the unseen uh you could talk about satan and the demons in christianity talk about shaytan and the the jinn in islam you talk about um the archons uh greek for rulers and uh the demiurge or um yolda bayoff in in the gnostic belief system and you know in these other areas like the zulu arena the scientology yeah they're talking they're talking about the same phenomenon they just give it different names of course they are because they're different you know belief systems they're different um cultures so they'll give the different names but they're talking about that i would strongly suggest the same uh the same entities so for me if you look at um the classic symbol of this global cult which is the like on the dollar bill and the reverse of the great seal of the united states the all-seeing eye and the pyramid what i'm saying is that all-seeing eye is the consciousness that's driving this um you like i say the gnostics call it yolder baoth or the demiurge and it's the devil or it's satan or it's a demon satan oh yeah you know all these different names i say that is a state of consciousness and it's created a hierarchy which starts out in the astral where you have your your archons and your demons and all that stuff astral entities and it comes down into the human world through this global cult point being that the consciousness is expressed all the way down and this consciousness is it's not psychopathic it's freaking super psychopathic it's a state of a consciousness state of chaos upheaval schism and it's interesting when you you look at um the different cultures and how they describe this consciousness this fake god if you like um it comes down to words like the foolish one and stuff like that it's not it's it's it's it's it's crazy but if it doesn't matter if it's crazy i mean a psychopath can be crazy but it'll still manipulate you especially if if the psychopath knows what you don't know which is the dynamic between this uh structure i'm talking about this let's call it this yolder baoth consciousness structure and and and and humanity in general it's to keep them in ignorance of what they know therefore you can't keep them in ignorance of what they know and you can't keep them in ignorance of what they know therefore you can be you can be a moron if if you like but you can still manipulate because you know what they don't know and keeping that dynamic is absolutely vital so um and and you can so program people to believe this sense of normal that i'm talking about that when people come along and say uh and uncover what was going on here and say to people i mean i know my own experience you say to people this is what i'm talking about and i'm talking about what i'm talking about this is what they're doing and this is how they're doing it they go you're mad man you're crazy because you've got to keep the target population in ignorance of what you know otherwise you lose control the system fails yeah so what what what i'm the the way this i'm i'm saying this structure plays out it is the overall driver of the whole structure is this consciousness which is so super psychopathic and if you look at what's called the hair test of um psychopathy named after the guy who invented it there's a series of traits and if you have enough of them they you are officially a psychopath well right up there is lack of empathy not being able to put yourself in the feelings of those you're affecting and and and a deletion of compassion now you look at this structure of control and what you're looking at right the way down the structure whether it's this archontic force in the astral or whether it's the way it plays out into the human world in this global cult you are looking at super psychopaths we're speaking now at a time when the united states and israel are still bombing the shit out of iran and they're not bombing the shit out of the mullers uh alone they're doing it out of the the population uh and so uh you know the the the americans although you know that they've tried to uh to change the subject but it's been very very plainly proved that they bombed a school on the first day of the conflict and killed enormous numbers of kids now you cannot have any measure of empathy and do that because i call empathy the fail-safe mechanism of human behavior so um if if i can feel what i'm making you feel then that's going to affect my what i'll do and how i'll treat you if i have no ability to feel empathy or compassion there are no limits on what i will do and therefore as i've exposed for 30 years now you have um satanism doing these people's satanism doing sacrifice of children to the gods why we can come to um they they they're abusing kids they're sexually abusing kids they're violently abusing kids you cannot do that if you have a smear of empathy you have to be deleted of it and so what you have is this consciousness this state of consciousness super psychopathic empathy deleted compassion deleted consciousness is the driver of this um hierarchical structure coming down into the human world and that's why they do what they do and the the role of this global cult is to impose a upon humanity the agenda coming from the astral and and that agenda is for um constant ramping up not least now through technology uh the control of humans until this is what we're looking in the face of now um the fusion of humans with artificial intelligence so artificial intelligence becomes the human mind and once it becomes the human mind it becomes the human mind and it becomes the human mind i.e that becomes the human mind um then we're not going to be asking questions like who am i where am i what is this place who's running this this world to what end we're not going to ask those questions you think that's the apotheosis moment the critical mass the separation from god the the moment of this is the point right it's another controversial thing i don't care um you know the religious god i don't think people realize what they're actually um worshiping um they're worshiping the matrix god thinking it's the god that they think is uh something else if you go if you go beyond the the the walls the frequency walls of this simulation which compared with infinity is freaking tiny grain of sand in a desert um but if you go beyond it you start tapping into it you're tapping in to that level um of um awareness um that is beyond the the manipulation that for me is if you want to call it god i don't use the word god but call it what you like that is is the real um level of expanded awareness so there is a beyond yeah oh yeah absolutely this is tiny um beyond the control yeah i mean yeah there is a beyond beyond the control system oh absolutely the control system this simulation is tiny compared with infinity well what isn't but so you're tapping into that and what religion has done is um and i think i absolutely no doubt over after all these years religion and the different religions religions and the different religions have been created specifically as uh perceptional prison cells right you go beyond what islam tells you you're an infidel or you go beyond what christianity tells you you're a blasphemer and so on and all they're all the bloody same right but keep your people in the box and once you've got people in different boxes unquestioning rigid belief systems then you've got the perfect scenario for the most essential thing of the few controlling the many which is divide and rule we're seeing that in iran now so uh you you you have this um this god that people think they're worshiping now when you look at the the um again official science uh breakdown of the traits of the reptilian brain um it's uh also includes worship worship worship is uh an aspect of the reptilian brain um fight or flight uh fear is a fear is a massive aspect of the human brain what are we told we're told to fear god what do you want to fear God for? No God wants fearing. Once you get beyond the matrix, this infinite reality, this infinite consciousness, it doesn't want to be bloody worshipped. Why does it want to be worshipped? But for reasons we can come to, this fake God consciousness absolutely wants to be worshipped. And for me, what we've got is a double whammy setup whereby people are perceiving the negative force as the devil or Satan or Yolder Beof, right? Okay. But they're worshipping another guise, another disguise of the same force and they're calling it God. This matrix, this simulation, is all about duality. It's not about unity. It's about duality. And what they want all the time is to set up dualities. So you can have good and evil. You can have God and the devil. They're all dualities. And dualities are like an electrical circuit. You need two polarities and then your circuit's set up and there's polarities everywhere. I mean, Islam is a polarity to Christianity. Islam is a polarity to Judaism. Over the years, Judaism has been a polarity to Christianity and so on and so forth. There's dualities everywhere in this society because that's how the matrix works. And so we, um, I would say that you got people fearing the devil and it's the occult. Don't go there. And you've got people fearing God and, and, but they're actually, it's actually the same entity. So it's been set up and it's been set up for one simple reason. There are many, many other reasons, but one major reason, and that is to, um, vampire low vibrational energy that we give off in, uh, states of emotion and states of thought. And so if you are this schismatic, chaotic state of consciousness, you're not going to be able to absorb the frequency coming off people. This is mainstream science. We, we give off frequencies all the time. We call them vibes. We've got bad vibes off him. Yeah. Well, because they're giving off a frequency in which you can feel. Um, and, and so you have, um, you, you have this emotion and this, the, the, these thought patterns that go off in the, in the, in the, uh, but if, if you are feeling joy and love and harmony and balance and peace, that is not a frequency that a chaotic state of consciousness can absorb. It needs a frequency that relates to its state of frequency. And that relates to fear. It relates to, um, conflict. War, suffering, deprivation, all of these things. So what you've got is this consciousness in its state of being that feeds off human energy and this, um, hierarchy of entities and down into the human world, the global cult, their job is to generate events in human perception, human reality that stimulate and trigger those low vibrational, um, states of being. Uh, so, so, so loose is always, uh, as, uh, um, Robert Monroe called it is always, um, on tap. And of course, um, you look through what, what is known human history and what we think is known human history. What do you see? First of all, the few have always controlled the many, and secondly, it's, it's endless war, deprivation, suffering, and what have you, and look around the world today. And the depiction of that fear is often a reptile, like, uh, physical being, like you have, you know, the Naga, but Quetzalcoatl, you have all these different, you know, instantiations of even Carl Jung, you'd mentioned Carl Jung, his universal archetype for fear was the snake, you know, and, you know, it leads me to believe that like the psychological image we have of fear is just being projected in a physical manner, much like everything we witnessed today. It isn't necessarily a reptile that we're seeing, but we're seeing what we perceive fear to be, um, in some of these senses. Yeah. Um, you know, if we go back to this, you know, what you believe you perceive, what you perceive your experience, um, then, anything becomes possible in terms of, um, how we manifest reality in relation to our perception of reality. You know, I mean, it's like, again, you know, if you, um, if you look back, um, in terms of, uh, ancients, they talked about fairies, talked about the little people, and now it's a psychological perception in the more modern world. Yeah. We talk about. We had airships in the end of the 1800s, you know, or, or cities floating before we could conceive of a flying saucer. These were instantiations of things that we could relate to. Yeah. And I think, um, that, uh, the, in these entities in the, in the astral, um, they could, they can manifest any way they, they want. They're using kind of the subconscious. Yeah. We, yeah, we, we can perceive them in any way that they want to project. Right. And, and, and I guess, you know, um, as, as you move through what we call time, what we call time, um, and, uh, things change, then the way you're projecting yourselves will change, um, as well in the way that people will then literally decode you into a sense of reality. Interesting. Um, you know, talking about Loosh and, and this sort of, I don't even know what to call it, whether it's whatever sustenance this negative vibration brings to this control, this negative control system. Um, you know, there are also stories, are you familiar with Dr. Michael Newton? Yes, yes, yes. And so he's, you know, he has books, Journey of Souls was, you know, the famous one, and there, you know, other derivatives of that same, um, study where, you know, he spoke to a lot of people being hypnotically regressed into not only past lives, but what seems to be something that he'd map out this life between life thing where, you know, you would come back, you would then remember, oh my gosh, uh, how, how vain I was in this life. And you'd kind of come to, and, and then go through these, like you said, these life lessons, uh, you would learn about the next incarnation and sort of sit at these read-throughs and choose your next life before you were sent back down. And, you know, he had thousands. I think he, you know, he had thousands. I think he did up to 5,000 individual sessions throughout his lifetime. How do you, how do you make sense of that? Is that too part of some trickery that we're being given? Well, well, yeah, I mean, okay. So again, on this sequence of, okay, so what's the next thing that I don't know. And once I'd concluded just after the turn of the millennium, I'd been thinking about it for years before, but really was big, cross my line that I'm sure of it, that this is a, a simulated reality. Um, uh, that the, when I started understanding that actually this simulation has other levels was when I thought, okay, so I've, I've, I've, I'm banned from a lot of countries now, but, um, before that I was, I traveled widely in since 19, 19. I, um, I must've been to 60 odd countries in my life. Um, and what you see increasingly in the West now is that most people aren't having a good time, um, in Africa and South America, Central America, in Asia, that they're trying to survive another day or another week or whatever, um, in very challenging circumstances. Yeah. What does that produce? Ladies and gentlemen? Oh, loose. Um, and so my thought was, okay. I can, I can get the consciousness could be manipulated into this reality once, but when you, when the body ceases to function and you're released from this reality, um, why the hell would you come back? Because most people, will not have had a good time. And they'd think, well, this is a shitty place. I'm not coming back. here but they do because by that time i was totally convinced that reincarnation is real though i have a different explanation for it and what i i i see again and again lessons in these near-death experiences yeah now this is an interesting thing with a near-death experience because you you will have noticed when the ones you've you've read that where they talk about the fact that they were told that they have to go back because they have another they have a mission on earth that's never freaking explained at least most of the time uh and and if you pass this threshold which is symbolized in various ways you can't go back the river of forgetfulness yes and now they do come back to tell their story so what's on the other side of the threshold that if they pass into it they can't come back in this life uh that if they pass into it they can't come back in this life uh and and i don't think that's anything like what near-death experiences are led to believe um uh is is what this is all about once you get once you get into this this wheel of samsara and start to come back because if you are feeding off human energy uh consciousness basically um then if people are leaving and going shit i ain't going back there then you're going to run out of people and you're going to run out of people and you're going to run out of people and you're going to run out of people but but they don't and and the reason is this reincarnation cycle and what i found interesting when i've looked at these near-death experiences is how the dynamic of uh perception is the same as it is here all right because most people they will um look to authority to tell them what to do to tell them what to think they'll look at scientists to tell them what to think about reality doctors tell them what to think about health and all this stuff or the system even in the afterlife yeah they'll look at but then when you follow these near-death experiences um this is an interesting thing where they leave the body and they say i've never seen a person who's been in a near-death experience and they say i've never seen a person who's been in a near-death experience and they say i've never seen a person who's been in a near-death it was blissful and you go but you believe in reincarnation now oh yeah so why why is it new to you it's because as i've talked to um people who have this memory it's very again very compelling common themes they have a a kind of retained memory of coming into this reality and passing through some kind of very powerful electromagnetic field which basically makes their mind a blank sheet of paper when they come in so when they leave the body that state of awareness is still there that's why they say i'd never felt anything like experience anything like it before because to their mind they haven't but then they then they go up the tunnel and and what um what appears uh again and then they then they go up the tunnel and and what appears uh again and and what appears uh again and first of all we're prepared in this reality first of all we're prepared in this reality first of all we're prepared in this reality to symbolize or equate the light with god to symbolize or equate the light with god to symbolize or equate the light with god so when we leave the body it's like there's so when we leave the body it's like there's so when we leave the body it's like there's a light i'm going to the light it's god a light i'm going to the light it's god a light i'm going to the light it's god um you'll see um as they describe uh um you'll see um as they describe uh um you'll see um as they describe uh spirit guides um loved ones sometimes spirit guides um loved ones sometimes spirit guides um loved ones sometimes um you they will see their religious um you they will see their religious um you they will see their religious hero if they're religious um they'll see hero if they're religious um they'll see hero if they're religious um they'll see elders elders elders people in long gowns and with with long people in long gowns and with with long people in long gowns and with with long beards beards beards what's that all about oh because we're what's that all about oh because we're what's that all about oh because we're prepared here to perceive wisdom prepared here to perceive wisdom prepared here to perceive wisdom as uh wizened old people you know like as uh wizened old people you know like as uh wizened old people you know like you know you know you know um with beards and what have you and and and with beards and what have you and and cloaks and so what when you cloaks and so what when you cloaks and so what when you listen and watch these near-death listen and watch these near-death listen and watch these near-death experiences experiences experiences they are mesmerized by authority in the they are mesmerized by authority in the they are mesmerized by authority in the astral as they're mesmerized by astral as they're mesmerized by astral as they're mesmerized by authority here authority here authority here it's like i know nothing it's like i know nothing it's like i know nothing so so so i've got to look to an authority figure i've got to look to an authority figure i've got to look to an authority figure to tell me what's going on to tell me me what to think. And if your consciousness has been wiped on the way in and he's still wiped on the way out, then you are going to look to authority figures, aren't you? That's why it's so important in my view anyway, that we understand the nature of the trap while we're still in a human body so that when we leave, we don't fall for the game. And the Buddhists have this belief that the best opportunity of getting out of the matrix, what I call the matrix, into infinity is immediately after you leave the body. And the other thing interestingly is they say that what you have to do is be on the wheel of samsara, learning these lessons, when you reach a state of enlightenment, you can get out of the wheel of samsara. What is a state of enlightenment? It's expanded awareness. It's a self-identity with the true eye, consciousness, infinite consciousness, and an end to self-identification, thus perception, with the phantom self-eye. Which is either I'm a human, we're not, we're having a human experience briefly, or the soul eye in the astral, whatever, you lose that, you go beyond it. You realize that you're just a state of awareness, ultimately infinite awareness. And that changes your frequency state that the matrix can't hold you anymore. This is the way I see it. And if you stay within the matrix perceptual realm, which is either I am human, or I am a soul who has to learn lessons by reincarnating, you'll stay in the matrix. There's a book by an author called Lawrence R. Spencer. And in this book, he apparently, he speaks to, through letters to this lady named Matilda Madison, and she says, I'm a soul who has to learn lessons by reincarnating. And he says, who claims that she had interactions with a being in part of the Roswell crash, and that this being imparted all this knowledge onto her. Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, about this being sort of a prison planet. That this is like the place where they send all the worst sort of souls or consciousness beings to, in order to keep them sort of imprisoned here. And the guy also turned out to be, you know, a Scientologist. Yeah. See, I don't go with that. I think people have been trapped here. But there are some similar themes. Yeah, there are similar themes. But I think they've been trapped here by, once you enter this matrix, it's like putting the headset on. Right. You're just being tricked. Your perceptions start to be overwhelmed. By being basically hijacked. And hijacked in a way that lowers your frequency. And you're within the walls of the matrix, the frequency walls of the matrix. And it's the awakening process. Most importantly, in my view, the self-identity awakening. From I am human, I am Ethel on the surface, being and ever can be, having a brief human experience. That is a completely different frequency that you are operating on. Because as you expand your self-identity, you're expanding your frequency. You're expanding your consciousness deeper and deeper into the field. And that's what we call awakening. And if you self-identify with being human or self-identify with the wheel of Sam's are about to learn lessons you'll stay within the matrix that's my view anyway do you think you're ever coming back only by choice by choice yeah and um um i can't wait i can't i can't work out mate why i chose this one but well that's that's a very good reason for it you've probably come back a few times not just the once right yeah well the thing is the thing is uh we have a perception of reality based on the matrix constantly feeding us a sense of reality but when you're outside of the matrix your sense of reality is totally different so you'll you'll see that people are trapped in in souls are trapped within this um this this fake reality and you also realize that going in for a human life and coming out is not that it's not that it there is no time anyway it's just an illusion as well but illusion of the matrix of the simulation but um the the time we're here which in our perception is like three score years and 10 or whatever when you're outside the matrix it's it's it's not even that so the decision to to to to come in and try to make a difference might not be that big looks very different out there than it does here like you're going why did i bother like you know so you think you would come back in in terms of like in what capacity to keep helping people and getting them to realize they're in a matrix and sort of expand their awareness so that they too well yeah i guess that's the idea i mean when i when i look at my life that that that seems to have been a reason i came in this time because you know um i i went through my life until um 1990 and then all hell broke loose um my life completely changed and the synchronicity of my life completely changed um and it's very clear that for whatever reason i've come to do this um and uh whether i would come back well i guess i guess you'd look at it and you go is it worth it you know is there a chance you know if you got you if you've got um ai human fusion and ai is telling people what to think well i mean i don't know maybe maybe it's time for a rethink don't you think they would prevent you from coming back i don't think they can really no um you know the thing is you know people say um where's where's god or whatever you know why you know what's the point of doing that but you know we we are a in a um in in such a frequency um a low frequency field that anything that comes in would be affected by that field so the the the the challenge is for us to awaken and therefore frequency a frequency expand to connect with the with what people call god um but it's it's not the religion god it's it's a state of all possibility a state of all potential which which we we are constantly on a an infinite journey of exploring forever forever um interacting with all possibility with our perception of possibility and and experiencing what that manifests um it's um what we're in is such a limited a limited place that's designed to be limited uh but we can we can go beyond it we don't have to be uh we don't have to submit to that limitation we just um are constantly giving a story that that says limitation is is is is is is is the nature of of life um for instance um the nature of of life um for instance um for instance um what are the laws of physics they're the they're the laws encoded in the matrix you know if you if you if you're putting together a computer game um the creator of the game is encoding into the game the limits of of the game and how the game is played and what you can do and what you can't do and this that's playing out through the biological computer but with consciousness which is ultimately limitless in its potential if it just remembers its true nature i can override that process you can you can you can make things um happen that um that the laws of physics are supposed to prevent for instance you know when you when you expand your awareness through expanding your self-identity and you start tapping into that infinity of awareness and possibility beyond the matrix the matrix itself by its very nature is a field of limited possibility so while we're interacting only with the the matrix we are interacting with a sense of limited possibility thus we appear to have limited potential to do things but once you tap into that uh reality that literally infinite possibility infinite potential that beyond the matrix uh field then the only limit you have on what you can manifest is what you can imagine manifest manifesting and on that subject of imagination there was a fantastic um comedian called bill hicks um who comes from the southern america originally he died i think he was the age of 33 um in the 1990s far too early because he took a lot of substances right and as a result of that he had experiences he realized that what an illusion this was and he said this this this this wonderful uh quote that he used to say at the end um of his um of his shows uh if i can remember it now he used to say um life is like a ride in an amusement park and when you go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are the ride goes up and down round and round it has thrills and chills and it's very brightly colored and it's very loud and it's fun for a while but some have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question is this real or is this just a ride and others have remembered and they come back to us and they say hey don't be afraid ever because this is just a ride and they say hey don't be afraid ever because this is just a ride and others have remembered and they say hey don't be afraid ever because this is just a ride and others have and we kill those people shut him up i've got a lot invested in this ride shut him up look at my forest of worry in my big bank account this has to be real it's just a ride but we always kill those good guys to try to tell us that and let the demons run amok but it doesn't matter because it's just a ride and we can change it anytime we want no job no savings of money just a choice right now between fear and love and another great line he said he talked about we are the imagination of ourselves and if i could encapture caption encapsulate the the the conspiracy in one line it is to hijack humanity's imagination of itself because if you can hijack our imagination of ourselves our perception of self you hijack our interaction with the field and you hijack our imagination of ourselves and you hijack our interaction with the world and what we manifest so little me manifests a life of little me not because you are little me you are all that is has been and ever can be having a brief human experience but your perception of little me will give you a little me experience of life and that's what they want they want they want us in a limited state of awareness a limited state of imagination and thus a limited state of experiential manifestation it's it seems like it's some type of because if i was a programmer making a video game i would want the video game i would you know you'd stress test it you would have to to make it optimal you would have to introduce viruses you would have to introduce chaos introduce variables that are out of your control because the end user who's going to be playing it wants to have a seamless experience and so in order to get there it's really valuable to introduce chaos and have these things happen do you think that that might be why we're being introduced with you know chaotic events and and why this is so hard and so difficult and full of all of these negative things like couldn't that just be a way of stress testing reality for whatever's next like is is that not a possibility that uh because we do learn from trials you know it's we don't learn when everything goes according to plan and when we have all the possibilities of manifestation at our fingertips we learn from when we don't and and you know we have to walk through the mud arduously to to get something and that's where we feel feel fulfilled and and so isn't the isn't the idea that not necessarily the lessons but that this is hard on purpose for a good reason and not just for about is that a possibility that you entertain well that that's what the whole reincarnation cycle is um supposed to be about i don't buy that at all um and uh you know we are an expression of all that is has been and ever can be and so if you hold your attention and self-identity in um a myopia of self-identity like i am a human or i'm just a and i've learned lessons then it seems a certain way you think I think, oh yeah, i've got to experience these things to to evolve that that's the whole story of the way of samsara but if you expand your your awareness deeper and deeper into the infinite field to the point where you become um what i call infinite awareness in awareness of itself you have the awareness that you are all awareness so i'm with you i'm right i'm with you there yeah what is there to uh but i mean for for the entities that are controlling it right what is there to learn like why are they doing it is what i'm saying is like does is loosh like food to them or it's always yeah or is it something like they're just sort of stress testing this reality in order for some other you know agenda that they might have for this reality like what is the purpose of them creating uh these negative interactions or feeding off like how do they feed off is it is actual food or is it energy or is it keep the lights on it's energy it's literally energy you know um on that on that subject um in in the early 1990s it's a long time ago now when i was putting together this global cult that is now breaking news um um and i was putting together this global cult that is now breaking news uh i realized that people i was looking at and investigating were taking part both in this is the early 1990s in satanic ritual including human sacrifice ritual often children and um what um we um we now call pedophilia what we called it then but pedophilia so it's the whole foundation of this um cult in the human realm is pedophilia and satanism and so the question i had was obviously what what why the loose thing would come and explain it but i did then look at the ancients um and how they were sacrificing um people to the gods for um a gift to the gods and then you you realize that you know we talk about pantheons of gods so you have the greek pantheon and the um the egyptian pantheon and the roman pantheon but what you find is that all these different ancient societies all had pantheons of gods i mean in hinduism they still do there's thousands of them um and so what i kind of realized was these gods that they were doing the sacrifices to in what we call the ancient world and they were doing the sacrifices to the gods and they were doing the same thing in the ancient world were the same gods same entities astral entities that they're they're doing now these but the difference is it was acceptable then to do it openly and now it's not so it's done in secret and i've talked to satanists all over the world and uh who some of which have um experienced some of these major bloody rituals involving these elite people and they tell the same story of the ancient world and they tell the same story of the ancient world and they tell the same story of the ancient world and they tell the same story of um how these uh these people these satanists are interacting with this astral dimension and they are conducting the ritual to generate maximum terror in the victim because the terror is a very powerful low vibrational energy and uh you know if i look at you now and you're in an emotional state and you're in an emotional state i can see from your facial expressions and your body language you're in an emotional state but i can't see the energy coming off you i'm saying that's going into the astral right they can see it so these entities are overseeing these these rituals and they're feeding off that energy coming off the victim this is the gift to the gods that the ancients talked about and the the body has this um response to terror that puts an adrenaline in the blood and that's adrenochrome these people uh drink and uh you know these satanists or former satanists have told me you know when they drink this um this adrenochrome it's like it's like it's a drug it's like an elixir it gives them a high you know and um these the all these uh stories about what goes on in washington with adrenochrome and what have you uh both parties so you think luce is is these sort of interdimensional beings version of adrenochrome it is how they get high yeah well yeah but it's it's also a form of sustenance right i see keeps the lights on yeah so if you um if you're in getting empowerment from this well i mean think of the first world war second world war what's going on in iran as we speak what's gone on since october the 7th in in in gaza look at all the suffering look at all the fear or look at all the anxiety and and and depression that uh that encompassed encompasses the planet and uh you see the amount of this energy that there is to to empower them and then they kind of recycle that power back in in a form of control and uh so um the more that we fall into these low vibrational states and if you're in iran now you're going to fall into a low vibrational state right the the the more you we're empowering them but we don't have to and there's a counter to that the counter that you propose is is just like quite the opposite is spread empathy and yeah sort of expand your awareness and also to um or just to not come back to not um not just talk about um being expanded awareness and self-identifying conceptually as expanded awareness but to live it to not identify with being human to to to know that what we call human is an experience it's not you and what that tends to do certainly happened to me it happened to people as we've been through it as well is you take um a step back and you start to observe the world and you start to observe the world and you start to observe the world and you start to observe the world and you start to observe the world and you start to observe the world rather than getting pulled into the drama because all the time all the time all the time what's happening is our attention what's happening is our attention what's happening is our attention energy flows where attention goes energy flows where attention goes energy flows where attention goes our attention is being hijacked and it's our attention is being hijacked and it's our attention is being hijacked and it's being hijacked by drama being hijacked by drama being hijacked by drama look at this oh isn't that terrible oh my look at this oh isn't that terrible oh my look at this oh isn't that terrible oh my god oh what about that oh my god god oh what about that oh my god god oh what about that oh my god all the time trump is a drama queen all the time trump is a drama queen all the time trump is a drama queen extraordinaire you turn on the internet extraordinaire you turn on the internet extraordinaire you turn on the internet what's the silly sod done today so it's what's the silly sod done today so it's what's the silly sod done today so it's all drama all drama all drama all surrounding trump is drama perfect all surrounding trump is drama perfect all surrounding trump is drama perfect uh uh uh frontman forum frontman forum frontman forum um but but when you um um but but when you um um but but when you um you start to you start to you start to self not just self-identify but live the self not just self-identify but live the self not just self-identify but live the fact that you are consciousness fact that you are consciousness fact that you are consciousness not the human that's the vehicle it's not the human that's the vehicle it's not the human that's the vehicle it's an experience you are the consciousness an experience you are the consciousness an experience you are the consciousness having the experience having the experience having the experience you you start to observe and you take you you start to observe and you take you you start to observe and you take because the first thing that happens because the first thing that happens because the first thing that happens when you get into an emotional state you when you get into an emotional state you when you get into an emotional state you should stop thinking straight should stop thinking straight should stop thinking straight but if if you just become the observer but if if you just become the observer but if if you just become the observer doesn't mean you don't care no no doesn't mean you don't care no no doesn't mean you don't care no no and it doesn't mean you're not taking it and it doesn't mean you're not taking it and it doesn't mean you're not taking it all in you're taking it in better than all in you're taking it in better than all in you're taking it in better than ever before because the drama is not ever before because the drama is not ever before because the drama is not taking away your ability to think taking away your ability to think taking away your ability to think straight straight straight but you're observing it you're taking but you're observing it you're taking but you're observing it you're taking in the information in the information in the information but you're not getting pulled in but you're not getting pulled in but you're not getting pulled in emotionally emotionally emotionally you're not getting pulled in emotionally you're not getting pulled in emotionally you're not getting pulled in emotionally in the same way so you're not in the same way so you're not in the same way so you're not being driven by you're not being loose being driven by you're not being loose being driven by you're not being loose driven by the drama driven by the drama driven by the drama you're observing it and it it you you're observing it and it it you you're observing it and it it you you find an equilibrium even in the face you find an equilibrium even in the face you find an equilibrium even in the face of madness of madness of madness that you didn't have before and that that you didn't have before and that that you didn't have before and that that's uh that's i tell you that's a that's uh that's a great place to be do you um like i've had great place to be do you um like i've had great place to be do you um like i've had half a dozen out-of-body experiences half a dozen out-of-body experiences half a dozen out-of-body experiences in the last few years in the last few years in the last few years uh through meditation yeah um where uh through meditation yeah um where uh through meditation yeah um where i'll be honest as a magician i'll be honest as a magician i'll be honest as a magician i didn't really believe in these things i didn't really believe in these things i didn't really believe in these things prior to having them myself i prior to having them myself i prior to having them myself i i've lucid dreamed before and i thought i've lucid dreamed before and i thought i've lucid dreamed before and i thought that's what people might be experiencing that's what people might be experiencing that's what people might be experiencing until i had it happen and i knew it was until i had it happen and i knew it was until i had it happen and i knew it was much much much much different uh objectively different much different uh objectively different much different uh objectively different than a lucid dream than a lucid dream than a lucid dream and it kind of changed my and it kind of changed my and it kind of changed my perception of what reality was you know perception of what reality was you know perception of what reality was you know seeing myself lying there and seeing myself lying there and seeing myself lying there and and kind of you know being very terrified and kind of you know being very terrified and kind of you know being very terrified at what i was experiencing at what i was experiencing um it since threw me down this path of um it since threw me down this path of um it since threw me down this path of meditation meditation meditation where i meditate daily and i i try to where i meditate daily and i i try to where i meditate daily and i i try to keep up with it keep up with it keep up with it is have you ever had some type of is have you ever had some type of is have you ever had some type of experience some type of out-of-body experience some type of out-of-body experience some type of out-of-body experience or experience or experience or uh event that would have sort of rocked uh event that would have sort of rocked uh event that would have sort of rocked your world in that same way your world in that same way Well, a couple of things. First of all, just very quickly, because you mentioned it. What I've just described is like having a lucid dream. You know when you have a dream and you are in the dream? You get emotional and your mind is responding to the dream. But you know you have these other dreams where you're in a dream, but you know it's a dream. Now your emotions are not the same because you're observing Because you know it's a dream. And that's basically what I'm talking about. You're observing this reality. You know it's a dream. And therefore, it doesn't pull you in like if you believe the dream is real. But anyway, well, I was writing a book in 2002 about 9-11. It was called Alice in Wonderland in the World Trade Center Disaster. And I said to my friends, if I'm going to go on beyond this, I've got to somehow get out there. Not get out there in some dream, but get out there. Get out there in some way that I am consciously aware of where I am. And just after that, I got an invitation to go to the rainforest in Brazil to take ayahuasca. And I could have taken it four times. I took it twice. The first night was interesting enough. About two hours I was in this other state of awareness. But, you know, kind of a mild other state of awareness. The next night, it took more. And for five hours, this voice, took a female form, was explaining to me about the nature of reality. It was extraordinary. And after it, I had recall of it. And I came back to Britain and started looking at, you know, various scientific disciplines to see if it kind of, you know, kind of matched up. And I realized that these different scientific disciplines, it's that only frickin' talk to each other. I've already sussed a lot of it. But they don't talk to each other. This has got a bit, that's got a bit, that's got a bit, and all that stuff. And the other thing that, so in that five hours, I basically was given chapter and verse on the illusory nature of this reality. Was this a familiar voice? Um, not really, but it was very powerful. Was it stern? No. No, it was very loving, very, um, very pleasant. I mean, it opened up. It said, um, um, we're going to take you to where you come from so you can better understand where you are. That was the opening line. And it took me. It took me to this, uh, well, it sort of opened up this extraordinary sight of, if I can describe something as black but brilliant, it was brilliant blackness. And it was, it, this, this voice was saying, this is the infinite. It's, this is basically all possibility. Right. It's that level, which I now call infinite awareness and awareness of itself. And, um, that's where you come from and that's where you'll return to. And, uh, then it started explaining how, um, we, we get trapped in this perceptual trap of believing we're not that when we are. And then it was confirming what you had already. Yeah. We would already thought we already, the conclusion you had already come to. Yeah. Well, there was a lot, there was a lot more in that five hours than I'd concluded up to that point. There was, uh, and anyway, the other thing is that whenever I've tried to meditate, I've fallen asleep. Right. That's okay. That's okay. But what happened immediately after. Uh, this kicked off in 1990, um, when I went through some extraordinary experiences, um, of a paranormal nature is that I would then start having still have them now absolutely coma sleeps, um, often in the middle of the day, actually not at, not at night. I do have coma sleeps at night, but, but the most powerful ones for some reason. Uh, during the day, um, I'll just be come overwhelmed by tiredness out of nowhere and I have to lie down and maybe, maybe it'll be an hour I'll be asleep. But when I wake up, it can be half an hour before I fully wake up. That's how deep it is. I'll tell you a funny story. I was in a hotel, um, well, no, not relatively recently, maybe, maybe two years ago. And I'm in a coma sleep, right? And the fire alarm went off, the fire alarm went off and there's somebody with me who said it was unbelievable because it was so fricking loud, this fire alarm and everyone's running, rushing to move and get downstairs and you don't move. You're totally, uh, like gone. And what, what happened eventually is the fire alarm stopped and, uh, it was a false alarm, but I slept all the way through it and I didn't wake up till the next morning. Right. Um, so these, this is how deep these things are. And the point I'm saying this in relation to your question is that when I wake up, I know something. You think it's like a download? Yeah. It's like, I know something. I don't know at that point what I know. Sure. I know. I know something. And then it just filters through to the conscious mind and you with insights and what have you, you know, that's interesting. Cause I, I've always said that too, about meditation, which is, you know, for people who, who, uh, again, this is not something I was into prior to, and I always thought I was bad at it because I'd also fall asleep, which I learned to just kind of embrace. If I fall asleep, I fall asleep. It's, um, but what I found was really interesting is that I can go into a room that is absent of any stimulation. And I can go into a room where there's no light, but I can go into a room where there's no light, but I can go into a room where there's no light, but I can go into a room where there's no light. Completely dark, no phones, no books, no light. And I come out of that room knowing more than I did when I walked in. Yeah, yeah. You tell me where that comes from. Well, I think what happens is you, um, your consciousness expands and it taps in to those levels that are beyond the matrix. And therefore you're tapping into a, an awareness. That is overwhelmingly not available here. And, and the idea is that from that, uh, from that understanding through that connection, you then communicate it in, in, in, in this reality. Um, that's been going on now since 1990 with me. I've had some extraordinary coma sleeps that, uh, like I say, it can take half an hour to wake up when you, you know, you, you, you open your eyes and you, you realize you're waking up, but it's another half an hour before you can actually get up. And you feel like during those times, that's when you're having some type of. Download. Yeah. It does feel like a download. Yeah. You think your memory is being purposely wiped during that time? Like maybe you did have a very vivid sort of experience that, uh. Yeah, quite, yeah, quite possible. I mean, I do, I've, I've, I've had vivid dreams, but the, um, the most powerful, um, the most powerful exchange of information I feel is, is in these coma sleeps. Definitely. One thing that I did want to get back to, however, was some of these cases, uh, because I find them really fascinating as much as I'm fascinated by the otherworldly sort of, you know, transcendental reality and, and, uh, this, this illusory sort of dimension that we're a part of. And I, I, I think I'm, you know, I'm there. I think it's really interesting. I'm also equally as fascinated with like encounters with physical beings. Yeah. I think it's just the, uh, the storyteller in me is, is just really attracted to this. Uh, can you tell me of some, some of these stories that were given to you or maybe even personal encounters that puts you a little bit more over the edge with, oh, this is an actual physical phenomenon we're dealing with in terms of these beings, uh, sort of interacting with people. Do you have any story that comes to mind? Well, I mean, the, the, the, the thing that, um, really, uh, got me on the road. Of, um, there is no physical in terms of these entities was, um, was shape-shifting. Um, I, like I say, it was in 1996, I went to America. I've been to America before, but this was the first time on two, two, two, uh, these subjects. And, um, I, um, I was traveling around talking to nobody, but I was meeting people. And like I say, in, in 15 days, I, I met 12 different people that told me about the shape-shifting phenomena. And then it started because the way I work is when something comes to me, that is like new or far out. I'll um unless my previous research has shown me that actually it's not it's nonsense I won't dismiss it I'll put it on the back burner as I say and I'll just let it um simmer away and I'll see if anything else comes what it did over and over again I've talked to so many people over the years who've had this shape-shifting experience and again you you come back to normal normal perception and that's impossible you can't go from a physical um human to a physical non-human and and you know um no one agrees with that more than me you can't but the point is it's not physical so if I'm looking at you um because these these entities they seem to have a dual information field hybrids they have a human field and they have a non-human field and absolutely for obvious reasons within our reality it's the human field that is presented at the world so if if if you if you're a hybrid and you've got a non-human field when I look at you I am decoding your human field um so uh if um you you are as I am a field of information and I am decoding that field like wi-fi in a computer into um a visual and apparently physical but really holographic reality and if that non-human field stays in the background then that's what I see but there are there are times certainly this has been explained to me so many times in the rituals in the in the satanic rituals where they go freaking crazy in some of them um then there there is this shift and um it's been explained to me not least by um people who've experienced it how um they've seen people including members of the British royal family by the way um shift from the from a human into a non-human form like a reptilian form in the ritual especially when all the the the blood and and gore is is going on it's like they that that is that that generates this shift and and also when um people are in a high emotional state there can be a there can be a shift I'll tell you a story um um that was told to me by um it was in Canada actually where was I speaking um Vancouver uh and I did this talk and I was introduced the the whole reptilian stuff and stuff and and the the guy the guy who organized it said I want you to talk to this lady uh afterwards because she's got an interesting story and she was like a businesswoman a power dressing businesswoman who you know ran a company and everything and she told me of a story where she um had this boyfriend and she said he was nice enough but he had a dark side and he knew he had a dark side he said uh she said and what happened was um they came into the bedroom one night to have sex like and she said your book the biggest secret which came out in 1997 was on the shelf and she said I want you to talk to this lady and she said I want you to talk to this lady and she said I want you to talk to this lady and she said I want you to talk to this lady next to the bed and he saw it and he went ape ape shit basically uh about how ridiculous it was that she was reading crap like that right so anyway they start having sex and she's telling me this story and she's shaking actually visibly shaking what she's telling me the story and she said she had a uh she put her hand on on on his back his lower back while he's kind of on top of her like and she said she had a uh she put her hand on on his back his lower back while he's kind of on top of her like and she said she had a uh she put her hand on on his back his lower back and she said she had a uh she put her hand on on his back his lower back and she said I felt my hand push away she said I looked over his shoulder he said and he he he sprouted a freaking tail right so she screamed threw him off the bed and he's a reptilian now but then it quickly just reverted to human and she threw him out of the house um and stories like that have been told to me all all over the world what's what they what they're doing is when when the the the non-human field becomes the dominant one you start reading that you start decoding that so to the observer someone has gone from a a solid human body to a solid non-human body that's not what's happened it's all going on in the decoding systems of the observer and thus um you're not shifting from solid to solid you're not shifting from energetic field to energetic field which we are decoding into the appearance of a solid field becoming a solid field have you ever met someone who you suspected to be non-human oh a few times really yeah a few times um it's um I I it's just my view I think there there are well the major players in this global cult I say they're high the royal families I say are hybrids and you know when they they talk about um royalty interbreeding with itself and aristocracy breeding interbreeding with itself why is it that royal bloodlines have always been perceived as special why have they been perceived as as having a right to rule the divine right to rule um I think it's because um they are human reptilian hybrids or human non-human hybrids anyway and I think the British royal family are I've talked to enough people um who've had interactions with them to um convince me that's absolutely the case the Dutch royal family I mean oh dear don't start me um so um and and what happened eventually is that um humanity reached a state of maturity where it started to reject rule by human uh sorry royal diktat royal inheritance and then they brought in politics and politics is just another way for people to give their power away to to the control system um you know you vote for this party you vote for that party you vote for that party you vote for that party and so the wheel of um or the eddy goes on going around um basically if we you know united put it down the fault lines of divide and rule and realize that we have a common threat and we need to come together well it will be over because there's not enough of them compared with with target population but we don't do that because we're divided and ruled and not least politically and through religion and and and what have you and so you have a um you have this situation where you're divided and ruled and you're divided and ruled and you're divided and ruled where um the few ruled um now it's politicians on behalf of those deep in the shadows but for a long time still in this country of course and in your country too canada you you have this royal family where they incessantly interbreed with each other and when and when the um the the the royalty started to fade because people rejected it and the these bloodlines these hybrids went into politics and they went into the dark suit professions of of finance and what have you and all these um eastern what they call them eastern um seaboard families um who marry not for love often but for genetics and they have their love on the side just like um now king charles um and all these um eastern what they call them eastern um seaboard families um who marry not for genetics but had um the the lady now the queen um going on um all along at the same time because that's that's where he wanted to be not with diana and funnily enough um it was um when would it be 1997 um 97 98 after diana died in the paris tunnel the pont delma tunnel in paris um i was invited to the house of lords in um in in london houses of parliament to um to speak with a few people very few people handful of people lords and what have you who were kind of more open and there was a lady there and she started talking about diana and diana's um accident shall we say wasn't and afterwards i said to her how do you know all that she said well My friend was Diana's best friend for nine years, right? She said, I think she'll talk to you. So maybe a week later, we met. I've still got the conversation on a reel-to-reel audio tape somewhere. And by this time, I'd had that experience of the 15 days and the 12 people that told me in different parts of America about their shape-shifting experience. And anyway, and other things had happened as well. But I hadn't told her. I said nothing about it. I had not produced a book about it or anything at the time. I hadn't said a word to this lady. And she starts talking. She was her best friend for nine years, or one of her best friends. And she was like an alternative healer. She used to work at something called the Ho Clinic near Regent's Park. In London, Diana used to go to her, right? And actually, she told me one thing, that what this lady called friendly people at MI5 used to leave messages at her clinic to be given to Diana when she came, because all very surreptitious. And one of the messages was that she was, they were planning to kill her in a car accident. No way. Yeah, there was. There was, yep, absolutely. And her butler later, what was the name, Burrell, his name was, then said that she told him the same, right? But I got it from this lady. So anyway, she's talking and, you know, she told me about Jimmy Savile, the mega pedophile who was in the inner circle of the British royal family. And he was put in there, well-known, by a guy called Lord Mountbatten, who was a known pedophile, a mentor to Prince Philip and Prince Charles. And Jimmy Savile, this is why he was allowed to do what he did all those decades, was a procurer of children for the rich and famous. And here he is in the bosom of the British royal family. Just extraordinary stuff. Anyway, she's chatting away and going on and stuff. And then she told me that Diana used to call the British royal family, the lizards and the reptiles. She used to say they're not human, right? And so I played the idiot because I had all this stuff. I'd started coming across all this stuff. I played the idiot. I said, what do you mean, reptiles? What are you talking about? And she said, you know, the royal family are hybrids. They're part human, part reptile. And she told me the story. And she said, it's interesting. She said, even a lot of the people, a lot of the followers, you know, even quite close to them have no idea who they are, right? And I've come across other people because what I'm doing all the time is trying to cross-reference what one person has told me and other people have told me. And I've come across people. I've come across people. I've come across people who've been at rituals with the royal family and how they've shapeshifted. And I quote in The Biggest Secret how this lady, this nine-year friend of Diana, describes the royals, the queen, and the queen mother who was supposed to be the nation and Diana's grandmother. Oh, what a lovely lady. Oh, God, she gave evil a bad name, that woman. She described what they look like in their shapeshifted state, in their reptilian state. And I've come across other people who've taken part in the rituals and described the same thing, how they watched the queen in the adrenochrome stage go absolutely freaking wild. It's not ripping at the flesh of the sacrifice. So, you know, and again, at different parts of the world, I've talked to other people who've taken part in these rituals and it's the same kind of story. And what they're doing in the rituals is interacting with this other dimensional force, this pantheon of gods, if you like, just as the ancients were. Do you think some of that's happening with what we're seeing in the Epstein files? Yeah, definitely. Is that an extension of that or is that directly reptilian behavior? The thing about the Epstein files, I used, in my books, I wrote a book called The Perception Deception, which includes massive research about the very detailed research about the royal family and Jimmy Savile and all that stuff. And I described Savile as a gateway to the cesspit. In the sense that, you know, this stuff, this Satanism and pedophilia, that's also about energy vampiring, that is, is the foundation. It's like the cement that holds this global cult together. But it's done in enormous secrecy for obvious reasons and it's fiercely compartmentalized. So most people in the secret societies have no idea this is happening. But every now and again, there's examples that come to light that are kind of gateways to the cesspit. If you go deeper and through it, you enter the whole story. And Jimmy Savile was very much a gateway to the cesspit. But the Epstein thing is too. You know, people say that the Epstein network was the biggest pedophile network in the world. No, it wasn't. No, it wasn't. It was one aspect of the global web that actually has come to light, just like the Savile thing did. And so they will have been into all that stuff just as the Savile and the royal family were. But what the Epstein files have done, those we've seen so far anyway, and Trump's, he's in this up to his neck, is take away some of the layers of collective programming that would normally go, what? No chance. That's not happening. But because of the nature of the files and the emails and the interactions, it's taken away a lot of, it's taken away a lot of that resistance. So more and more people are looking at it and going, well, actually, it does look like it's real, you know? And going, yeah, David was right. Yeah, well, yeah, that's been a good thing in the sense that they will then look at other stuff that I'm saying and go, well, maybe that's not as crazy either, you know? And you start, because, you know, I'm not someone who wants to be a leader. I'm not someone who wants to be a leader. I'm not someone who wants to be someone, you know, standing there saying, you know, this is what we must do and you must follow me. I'm not interested in any of that crap. I'm just interested in putting out information that people wouldn't normally get and saying, you make of it what you will. What's happened is events in the world have got people to look at it, the information in another light, because it's so confirming. It's so confirmatory of what I was saying long ago and they were dismissing and ridiculing me for. So it's very interesting times about where it goes, but we are in a bit of a race because, you know, I said about Trump when he was running in the election campaign, I got so much shit from MAGA and MAGA, the supporters and Trump supporters for saying, look, he's a con man, he's a fraud, he's having you on, it's not going to be like that. He's telling what you want to hear. One of the things I said was, A, he's not going to be what you think he is. And two, while he's trashing the present system, he's going to be facilitating the rapid expansion of the AI digital control system. So what you have with Trump from the start is he's surrounded by the AI oligarchs, by Musk, by Peter Thiel, by Marc Andreessen, by David Sachs, by Sam Altman, by Larry Ellison, all these people. I mean, his vice president is pretty much friends with all of these people. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, Peter Thiel of Palantir has funded, J.D. Vance's. Basically, entire career. And, you know, it was interesting when in the run up to the Republican convention that nominated Trump to run in the election, what, 2024, there was a series of people that were mentioned in the papers for his probably vice presidential running mate. And as soon as I saw the word J.D. Vance, I said, well, it's going to be him. It's going to be him. He's Teal's, Teal's prodigy. He's going to be him. So he's come in and he's doing two things, Trump, and he's being totally misread by what's left of MAGA. They are looking, first of all, at they're saying he's trashing the globalists. He's bringing the system down. Well, yes, he is. But not for reasons you think. The, the, um, the cult has this process of what I call creative destruction. It's, um, I also call it the totalitarian tiptoe where you start at A and you know, you're going to Z, but you know, if you go in two bigger leaps, then people might look up and say what's going on. So you go as fast as you can, but not too fast that you alert too many people. Um, and so you go in a sequence, you'll create a system. And then. Then. When. When it served you in that period, you'll trash it and you'll create another system. And, and each, um, system in the sequence gets more and more extreme. So if you pick it up at the start of the 20th century, um, you had a certain world and it was a cult world, but it was, it was, there were so many more points of decision-making. You then have the first world war. The end of the first world war, the world is completely different. You had the, the Versailles peace conference and they, they basically, uh, um, carved up the world. You then followed that with, um, the great depression. And so the economic system was being trashed immediately or into the second world war. And the status quo again was trashed during the first, uh, second world war. And then you, at the end of the second world war. You had all these, um, global bodies. You had the United Nations formed. Uh, you had, um, the Bretton woods agreement, the IMF, the world bank, et cetera, et cetera. But also the CIA and. Yeah, yes, exactly. You know, the, the, the, the CIA, as we know, it's appeared, um, after the second world war. And, and, uh, so the, the, the, the world, I was born in 1952. Uh, but seven years ago. And pretty much from the day I was born to relatively recently, you've had a certain system in place. Now, where they want to go is, uh, a completely different, um, ultimately control system based on artificial intelligence and, and the digital system. And if you have a status quo. And it's not moving, you can't replace it with anything. So you have to trash the status quo. That's what they did with the two wars and the great depression. You have to trash the status quo. So the new system can replace it. And this is why Trump has been trashing the old system with wars and the tariffs and, or mayhem. Uh, and he's going to go on doing it until perhaps, um, teal to, um, JD Vance takes over. And then, um, around him at the very same time that he's trashing the old system is this AI oligarch, um, circle of wagons. And if you remember, you know, I was, I was saying that, you know, when he comes in, this AI is going to start flying. And it was two days after his inauguration that, that Larry Ellison, uh, was wheeled out and Sam Altman to announce this. This up to $500 billion, um, Stargate project for, um, funny name, the, the, the AI data centers, et cetera. And it's gone on ever since now Trump's really pushing the six G, which is a massive turning point in all this. It's a pivotal moment. Six G, um, five G we already have a course. Um, and the idea is that they create, um, a high mind, basically they have, um, a, uh, they're creating a technologically generated, uh, global electromagnetic field through the towers. Yes. In all the cities and towns, but crucially, cause you can't have a global field without it. Low orbit satellites, 11,000, I think, uh, SpaceX are up there now. And it's, um, Bezos is, um, is, is, is, is coming along, uh, behind as well. And the, the idea is that you create a technologically generated electromagnetic field through which the frequencies can be sent to be picked up by the human mind to, um, to, to basically create a centrally dictated hive mind. This is, this is what the AI human fusion is really all about. And, um, Uh, in, in, in my lady's book, the roadmap, I quote a, uh, a Chinese whistleblower who this is some years ago now that you said this, where he's saying that in China, they have already connected technological electromagnetic fields, carrying information with the human electromagnetic field that has made the, the humans, uh, perception dictated by the, by the, uh, technological field. So they, they basically behave the way the field told them to behave because of this connection. But how much more powerful if you have a receiver in the body to receive the frequencies? And that's what I say the COVID fake vaccine was, um, and is it's, um, I I've been in touch, um, over the last few years with scientists, and, uh, doctors, real ones who have been, um, following the self-replicating technology in the blood of people, um, who've been vaccinated, although many people haven't now, uh, because it's coming from other sources and they've seen under the electron microscopes and stuff, these self-replicating systems, you know, the, there are videos where you can see them. It includes something called graphene oxide. Graphene oxide is a, uh, a relatively new substance, graphene that, um, has two, um, major traits in relation to what I'm talking about. One is it's a superconductor of electricity. And if it gets in the brain, it changes the way the brain processes information. And it also amplifies electromagnetic fields. So if you come into contact with a cell, if you come into contact with electromagnetic field, the effect will be amplified. If you've got graphene in the body, uh, the idea is that they create this, um, technological hive mind, um, which can be centrally dictated whereby, um, they can tell you what to think. And, you know, you've got people like Ray Kurzweil at, um, Google, the Google futurist, as they call him, who is a big fan of him. And, uh, he's, uh, he's written several books. I've got some at home where he's one of the new Mo, new Mo know people about AI and where it's going. And he said little while ago now, some years ago that by 2030 humans will be connected to AI via the cloud. Uh, the cloud is this electromagnetic field, et cetera. And once that connection's made, um, AI will do more and more of human thinking. These are his words until human thinking, as we know, it is negligible or deleted basically. And that's where it's going. And, and that's why, um, if you look at it, there's, there's so many diversions because at the moment you've got the war in Iran and you, you've had all these drama diversions of Trump UFOs. Uh, yeah. Oh yeah. That too, that, I mean, cause that's good. This is going to be a big year for, for that, uh, 2026 with, uh, the Spielberg film coming out in June disclosure day, but all these diversions, including, you know, to be fair, you know, the, the, the shooting of Charlie Kirk, it's taken a lot of attention away, um, into, in the other directions and all the time, this incessant expansion of AI goes on. And, and the thing is this global cult, um, does not have borders. It does not have countries. countries um it's borderless it works globally and so what they've done this is a real kind of psychological ruse and you're hearing it more and more from the trump administration um america has to win the race to be the dominant country in ai because look at china china we've got to beat the chinese and they they turned it into a sporting event you know oh you know we've got can't have regulation no because we've got to beat china the doe even tweeted about it um the doe tweeted uh the a the race to ai is going to be the next manhattan project yeah from the department of energy which i think is a terrifying that they would tweet that out and b you don't talk about it if it's like the manhattan project which is no but kind of silly the other thing is um that there is a fantastic number of research papers that have been put together by an amalgamation of the chinese and america so they're not in a race it's global cult so just as america is oh we got to win the race against the chinese chinese saying we've got to win the race against the americans but actually it's a global agenda and and what is happening in china and america and europe too the same britain uh russia just the same is that a global um ai control system is being put into place and that that's what's happening and and the more that people's attention can be diverted into whatever drama they come up with next the the more they'll be left unchallenged to complete the job um if you had one message to to the people in the shadows the people running things the people behind the people what would you say to them if you had a direct line what would what one message would you like to impart with them well i'm not sure we're making a difference because um because they're absolutely mad they're bonkers but what would you say if you could they're they're they're brilliant at manipulating human perception but they're basically bonkers because they're an expression of this bonkers consciousness the the the the what i would say is um basically how how long do you think this is going to go on i mean is this going to be for eternity i mean what what are you doing you know beyond here is this infinity of um all possibility to explore these this this infinity of other realities and what have you of immensely various kinds and you're stuck in this one manipulating human energy for your own um survival and um i mean what is the point of just doing this for the rest of eternity i mean you know wake the hell up and and see that no one's more imprisoned in this matrix than you you know we can we can choose to awaken and get out of it you can't unless you wake up uh and um my god there's a long way to go before that's going to happen david ike thank you so much thank you mate really appreciate it been a pleasure thank you thank you you