Break to Heal

The Broken Nose Analogy: Reopening Wounds to Heal Properly Hey everybody, it's Data, it's E, and you're listening to another episode of the Trad Boys podcast. Wow. It's been a while since we've recorded. Speaker 2 ZI guess the audience doesn't know this, but you know, we it's been how long now? About a month and a half I want to say. Speaker 1 I think it's been a little longer. Speaker 2 OK, I guess that makes sense. Whoops. Speaker 1 But it's good to be back in the swing of things. And yeah, obviously you guys shouldn't know because by the time we release these, we're doing it so we have enough episodes that there won't be any gaps in production. Speaker 2 Hopefully. Speaker 1 That is the plan. So with that being said, I just want to kind of jump right into what I was hoping for the title this episode. Speaker 2 Let's jump into it. Speaker 1 Broken to heal? Speaker 2 Broke into heel. Broke into heel. Oh, this is going to be a good episode today. Why did you want to choose this topic today specifically? Speaker 1 Well so my brother recently was running around and he actually accidentally broke his nose by running into essentially a rail that was hanging out of his work truck and it literally just broke his nose. And often times the remedy for a broken nose is you have to re break it in order for it to heal properly. Yes, I think that's something that a lot of people can relate to in a lot of ways. Speaker 2 I 100% agree with that, man. Man, that's beautifully said. No, I've, I mean, just right off the bat you saying that. I mean, there's just been so many times in my life where it is very simple for me when I just get like a very deep cut in life or just like somebody does something to me and it really deeply cuts inside me. I really just like to just put a Band-Aid on top of it and just all right, we're all good, no worries. Well, I'm all fine and everything, but I don't really take the time to actually like reopen the wound and actually like dissect it. I don't actually take the time to consult somebody help, you know that one person helping me stitch up the wound and everything that's how I and helping me actually properly heal the wound. I do feel a lot of times, especially, I mean, I, I mean even just now I've you, you, there's a lot of things you can do by yourself, but there's also a certain point in life where you got to just take a step back and realize I need some freaking sort of help, man. And when it comes to like those wounds healing and everything in my life, I didn't want to bring other people into my problems because for whatever reason, I just, I just didn't want them to like, you know what be I just didn't want to bring them part of my problem. I didn't want to make their life more hell, whatever that be. I just, I just lost my train of thought actually. I'm so sorry. Speaker 1 No, you're good. I have a question for you, actually. My question for you is, have you ever essentially lied to yourself before about healing over something? Because I've had a lot of times in my life where I'm like, Oh yeah, you know, I'm twice as strong now. Or or even when I know that I'm, you know, mentally or physically or spiritually out of shape, so to speak, I'll lie to myself maybe out of pride or ego or something. But like, I think that I've healed from something and that I'm faced with it like face to face. There's no running from it. And I realize, oh, I actually don't think I've taken the time to heal from this. Speaker 2 100%, man, no, all the time. And I think a lot of, I think everybody has been able to at least relate to that once in their lifetime. I mean, personally, sorry, can you say that one more time? I'm, I'm losing it, right? Speaker 1 Now you're good, you're good. Just the idea of being able to or self deception to the extent that you think you've healed from something and it can be many levels of self deception, but just kind of that general concept. From Narcissists to NPC: Dayta's Journey Through Self-Doubt I mean, even when it just comes to certain relationships I've had in my lifetime where, no offense, I had, well, I mean like with narcissism, for example, I've had some relationships with narcissists, as you know, that just have not necessarily turned out well. And so sometimes when I try to like resolve it or I try to like, you know, heal that wound and everything, sometimes I might also just be even cutting like a lot deeper than I even realized at times. And I just I, I so I guess the problem I have with it at times it's just like, I just, I just don't know crap. I just, I don't know. I just, I'm losing it today, man. I don't know what's up with me. I'm I'm like right there and then I just lose at the last moment. I'm so sorry about that. I'm. Speaker 1 Trying so hard Dang. Speaker 2 It no yeah, you're right about that now, but no man, I just yeah, I don't know how it'll come back to me now but. Speaker 1 Yeah, I think, well, it's also difficult when it's something like a narcissist that's like a recurring thing in your life. And not necessarily even just narcissist, but when the problems that are like hurting you the most are something that you can't necessarily escape as easily as, you know, like I'm trying to think of like a small problem that you could easily escape, I guess, saying hi to so many, you know, in the store, Like, you know, you can easily avoid that. But then there's problems in your life that, I mean, there's just nothing you can do about it. You wake up and every single day that you open your eyes to walk this earth, that problem is there. And maybe that problems in the form of a person, maybe that problems in the form of responsibility. Maybe that problems in the form of something that you don't even know yet because you're so scared to try to even deal with the problem. Or you're so busy running from the problem that you don't you don't even know exactly what the problem is. Oh yeah. And that's a whole nother thing that's super difficult because I think. So for reference, like why I wanted to talk about this as an episode is because one, I think this podcast really helped me be honest. And like, I don't know, I hate to assume what my calling is, but like, the correlation between the funk that I've been in and not podcasting are like pretty parallel, which is weird. Speaker 2 Interesting. Speaker 1 And I've been in a weird funk. It's been horrible. It's been awful. And what I mean by that is like, I found Jesus, I got baptized. I've been reading the Bible almost every day. I've actually, this is the most I've slacked in the last week or two. I'll be doing multiple readings a day and then kind of skip a day. And life has just been kind of miserable and for a multitude of reasons. And I'm so busy chasing these reasons that I now feel like I'm just in this rabbit hole of misery that I've dug myself into. But at the same time, whenever I'm not digging that hole, the problems that I've been avoiding feel like they're kind of compressing me in. Speaker 2 100%, yeah. Speaker 1 And I don't know exactly where all of the weight of these problems are coming from, but I just thought, you know, this will be a cool episode to talk about because then I was talking to my mom and I was just, you know, I was in such a self doubting mode. And like I've always, you know, gone through bouts of self doubt. I think that's pretty normal. But self doubt to a level of like genuinely believing I can't do anything and genuinely starting to accept that maybe I'm just an NPC roam in the earth, which I don't know. I, I've mixed feelings about that because I, I actually, you know, with God, I don't think there's necessarily such a thing as an NPC. But I was starting to just start accepting life for what it is. And that's where it's difficult to know the difference between like going with the flow and accepting and being present with where you are. Speaker 2 Yeah. Oh yeah. That's really good, man. Speaker 1 And so she told me, you know, at first I thought this was a, a spiritual attack because at first it did feel like it. I mean, like, it almost felt audible, this like whispering voice in my conscience of like, like, oh, I'm a failure or oh, I should be embarrassed or ashamed of everything. And so, you know, it, it almost felt like a spiritual attack. But then after a certain amount of time, I'm like, well, dude, I've prayed about this over and over and over. God hasn't swooped in to save me yet. Like, and she was like, well, I think maybe it's also a test. And that's when I was starting to re kind of shift my focus on everything and was like, yeah, I kind of lost my cool for a bit there. Finding Objective Truth: Christianity's Unique Value Proposition Wow. Speaker 2 Man, oh, that's beautiful, man. I mean, you know, it is very true. I do realize the most broken people really do tend to be also the most strongest people I've ever met in my whole entire life genuinely way. I mean, when it comes to like just certain family members I know and just certain friends that I have in life where it's just they explain to me their life story and it's literally they're explain how they just went through hell and back and they're just talking about it so super casually. And I'm just thinking to myself, like, just like these people, just they, they, they become broken souls at times, man. It's they, it's just they. And, and what I also love about is those kinds of people also, they don't try to try to shy away from it. They do try to be as honest and as open as they can. And sometimes they are like very blunt and it, you know, like at times it's, you know, maybe almost a little too blunt, but that's what I love about them. It's just that, you know, they they've just been hurt so many Dang times. It's like, look, man, like I know I'm going to be hurt again. And so, but it's just that's the thing. I know that it does get better. I know. And like it's also how they've healed, though it wasn't, you know, guess they had to do like a lot of self healing, but it was also they had a lot of other help in just from other resources and just other friends and everything. And I mean it just, I, I, I do realize, man, I, I really, I just, I guess in just the past half a month too, I've really been or a month and a half, I just been in my own funk and everything, man. I mean, I'll be honest with you. I guess I would say I've maybe separated a little more from God. That's just all my honest truth. I've, I don't know. I mean we'll definitely talk about it in the future more, but I've I just, I don't know. I just, I just, I don't know, man. I just one thing I realized, man, in this world, I, I do believe in objective truth. That is one thing and I do believe that like a lot of these religions in this world, I think whether I I, I think for the most part, the most people in these religions are just trying to fix the brokenness in this world and everything and, and I really. Speaker 1 I would say that extends to even beyond people of religion, I think. Speaker 2 That 0100. Speaker 1 Companies, everyone. Just not everyone's willing to necessarily admit it. Speaker 2 'Cause I would say most Christians, most like Muslims, most Jewish people, most like most of everyone in this world, just wanna like, they like, they wanna help other people, man. It's just only a very select few people that have been like given this platform and then all of a sudden now they get to represent their whole entire side of the group. Especially we live in such a dangerous time where now everything is just so 2 sided. It's either you believe on one side or the other side you're just you're a Democrat or you're Republican. And it's just so it's so polarizing in today's age and it's just so dividing. And then just the fact that we're just having all these like, just like using race, using just like like, or just like our sexuality and just like using all these things to just create more of a broken world. And the problem is, is that all the sudden now it's like these radical people now their voices are just being put out there by the media, yadda, yadda. And it's just, yeah, it's just creating more broken. But I really do just believe, man, it would just starts with just sitting down with the other side and just trying to understand and just seeing what their life is like, man. And that's the problem is that then you start to understand why how they were broken down. And with that, now you can even help them with trying to heal with the process and just. Speaker 1 What I love about specifically Christianity because I, I kind of took a class with, I've been doing these like weekly classes that have kind of paused for now, but I think due to like holiday timing. But I was taking a class and we're comparing all these different things of world views and the only one that elevated every individual to the same playing ground, regardless of their beliefs was Christianity. Because the only thing that gives you value as a Christian is the fact that you are an image bearer of God, the creator. Every other religion you had to check off some sort of box in order to have value. And so I think that that's really profound because I think even if they drive you nuts, even if you can't stand them, you are required. It is a, it is a law that you have to love them as if it's yourself. Like that to me is just like, beautiful. The Profound Humility and Unexpected Teachings of Jesus That is beautiful, man. Speaker 1 And and you know, again, I can always call out my Christian brothers and sisters like we got to do better at that. We always have to. But I, I think at the end of the day, we live in such a broken world and I think that there is so much distraction and noise. And that's what I love about Jesus is like, he's always just like, just focus on me, Just focus on me, just focus on me. And like, dude, the noise of the world is so terrifying. Speaker 2 You know, one thing I really wish people would stop focusing so much on is the mirror. OK, hear me out on this one, man OK, I really do. I really want to believe in Christ. If for this main reason, I don't, it's not because of the miracles he performed. It was because how loving he remained all the way through and the fact that the evidence overwhelmingly supports that he never, ever sinned. He always treated everybody with the same amount of respect, whether you were a Jew or Gentile, whether you were like a, you know, a tax collector or just a random, it did not matter. He treated you like you were a human being. And that's the thing I think regardless of like the miracles he did and that's I'll talk about that and maybe another episode like what those. Speaker 1 Which by the way, I don't think negates science. That's we can save that for another episode. Speaker 2 We'll save that for a chapter. Speaker 1 Of a pretty pretty solid book on the. Speaker 2 Oh yeah, man, no, it's but like, that's the thing though. I just, I think what absolutely gets me every time, bro, is that Jesus never stopped preaching what he was saying. He always kept on just being a loving human being, man. And that's what just got me. That's honestly dude, it's been making me cry like for the past month. And that's like the main reason why I hold out so much hope for Jesus is because he really just, he was that loving of a dude. He really was just a good human being. He was a real human being that I mean, he made a very bold claim, but then you actually listen to him. You listen, look at the evidence, and it's like, maybe this is like a lot like maybe he's not as crazy as like. Speaker 1 You know, my favorite part about reading like the things Jesus said is like, I feel like at least eight times out of 10, I'm expecting what he's going to say in my head. I'm like kind of making a little prediction. And it's not that like, for example, that one specific thing that comes to mind is like the faith of a Roman officer in the book of Matthew and the officers, like, I need you to heal this guy. And he's like, all right, I'll come over and heal him. And he's like, no, my house is not worthy for you to step foot in. And I'm like, oh, I see like he's going to tell him, like all homes can, you know, invite Jesus in, but that's not what he did at all. He just healed them from there. And I was like, wait, wow. And it like, there's so many things that he says and does throughout that. It's just like, I wasn't really expecting that. And then like trying to put yourself in the perspective of one of his disciples, especially during like the Last Supper. Speaker 2 Oh my goodness, bro, dude, that's why it's the story. If I'm correct, I think it's Simon AKA did he miss? I think I think if I'm correct, that dude just gets me running up a wall at times, man. Because this man would He decided to follow Christ completely doubted him all the way through. He was like I well, that's the because either he would have like he was the strongest believer or he was the biggest outer and there was no usually in between with that. And that's exactly I've always figured myself out, man, I just either. I love believing. I just I don't know anything, man, and that's what I realized that I just with Diddy must and everything. I he I just he literally saw it like, you know, Christ get crucified. I'm if I'm OK, I now I don't want to be speaking on my ass. I did think he saw the resurrection of credit. I don't know exactly but but that's the thing The point is is that he's like still like heavily doubted that he still doubted that Christ claimed to be who he was. It was only until I three days after he died and then he just randomly reappeared to the disciples who were just eating around the table again and he had the holes in it like. And the problem is, is that the disciples were just like most of them did that like they did not believe that like. Speaker 1 Yeah, they thought it was done. Yeah, when Jesus was hanging on the cross, they were like, well, that's a wrap. Speaker 2 Yeah, they for those three days, people don't actually like. I don't think a lot of people don't like truly like get through their head that that was it like there was going to be no Christianity if Jesus never like if that quote UN quote never happened. But the disciples were that freaking confident they saw Jesus Christ. They like they, they, they were that confident that they decided to go spread it out and they did not care about any like action. They didn't care if they were going to die because they knew that they were preaching the truth. I'm like, oh Dang, like. Speaker 1 And one of the deepest, and you hear this over and over and over from pastors and people talking about evidence for Christ. And I feel like it just doesn't always hit as hard as it should. Paul. Speaker 2 Oh beautiful one from. Speaker 1 Saul to Paul, man, from just seeing one guy that he claims was raised from the dead, 100%. Like if people took the context of that situation and applied it to themselves or to a more modern context, if that's what it takes to let that sink in. He went from being enemy #1 of Christians to writing like some of the most like profound books in the Bible. I mean, it's crazy, man. It's crazy. And, and like what I love too is when you read the Bible, when it's when it's direct letters of people in the Bible, they're the most humble, like they're the most humbly written books of all time. Like one thing that I think of, and this is another one that doubted his whole life is James. James went from like, I can't remember exactly where it was in the in the Bible, but Jesus was preaching. And basically they were like, Hey, your brother should like carry you out of here. Like you're losing your mind and the family kind of thought like, Oh yeah, you know, it's just Jesus. He's kind of going crazy. He's trying to claim he's God and stuff. And then after he died like complete 180 on James's part. And like the first line of the book of James is I am a slave or a servant to God and our Lord Jesus Christ. He could have said, yo guys, it's me, the half brother of Jesus, the son of Mary, the cousin of John the Baptist like. I'm pretty cool. Like I'm related to all these pretty cool people. And he starts with I'm a slave and a servant to God and Jesus Christ. Like that is some humble writing. And I'm just, I'm, I think it's so beautiful, the humility that comes from Christianity. Faith as More Than Emotion: God's Love in Scripture And like, one thing that I love the most about it is the hope that it gives even when you're feeling hopeless. True, because I don't know how, I don't know when and I don't necessarily know why, but I know that he's going to come help me when I need it. And and that's what brings me back kind of to the broken to heal is this whole time I've been like hardcore broken. And the one recurring theme that I've had is faith is more than a feeling. Because even though I'm feeling dreadful and feeling all these types of feelings, it doesn't change the fact that I have faith because it is separable from emotion. I think a lot of people today think that faith is just when you're like listening to worship music and you're putting your hands up and you're closing your eyes and you like feel something like that's not always how it is. It's not. And that doesn't mean that God has necessarily left you. It just means he's testing you. And so throughout that whole time, I just like, I had to start realizing like, well, wait a minute, I'm sitting here asking God for help. What can I do to better this situation while I'm asking him for help? One of the things I did, I started praising God. I would write my journal, some really like pretty sad stuff about what I was thinking. And then at the end of every journal, I'd write praise God, Amen. And that slow shift, I started to realize that I wasn't taking anger at God anymore. I was more of just kind of like sending up my problems and then slowly I started being like, you know what, I better make sure I'm thanking him for this. I better make sure, you know, I, I wouldn't trade any amount of money that I have for family. Like there's nothing you could give me that. Like, you know what I mean? Like if you were to take my family away, there's nothing that could replace that. So I better be more thankful for that, you know, just kind of slowly starting to focus on all these things. And then one last thing I, I want to bring up to you about, I guess kind of this area is what do you think about the Bible? Because one thing that I'm thinking like right now is to me, it's kind of crazy to think about the fact that this book to God is sufficient to reveal God. Like that's some pretty heavy, that's a heavy thing to kind of like, I guess ponder. Speaker 2 Well, I will tell you, I don't think I've ever been asked that question before. What do you think of the Bible? Which is weird that I've never been at I've just I've never heard of that question, though. Wow, that's so weird. But man, how do I view the Bible? Man, I just I got to be careful with how I say this man, because it's not I mean, yes, it's a story. It is, but it's also a story that it's like a historic, well, not a historical fit. It's well, I mean essentially like a historical nonfiction or I don't know what that'd be. I don't know, bro. I just, you know, I think it's very man, I think it's a very interesting. I just, I don't even know how to respond to that. Honestly. I really don't. Wow. How would you respond to that? Speaker 1 I would say that whoever picks up that book with an open mind, and I want to say open heart, but for sure an open mind and you read it, you don't remain the same. Speaker 2 I, I think it's a mix of both. It's discerning when to use your mind and when to use your heart. And really it's just about like just discerning between the two and it's just it really it's just. Speaker 1 Feeling rather than opening your heart. And This is why I think the Bible's so amazing. It's more of allowing your heart to open. Speaker 2 Yes, I agree with that. Yes. Speaker 1 I think the more that you read, especially the New Testament, I think it resonates a lot more with people in a lot of different ways. But both books are amazing. I mean, it's the book of God. But I think that like you will slowly just start to feel your heart wanting to open, even if you don't know why. It's kind of like, you know, you can just feel almost this pull and I've started doing this thing called the Bible recap, which is where, you know, you go through, you read a couple chapters every day and at the end this lady does this video. She recaps it and she talks, you know, she kind of points out like the character of God. She'll point out what like historians think about certain passages and like she'll lay it all out that way. It's not like this is my opinion. It's more of like this is what people think kind of thing in a lot of ways, or this is what like Jewish scholars interpret this as or whatever. But what I like a lot about it is you really do start to see the amount of love, the amount of love that God has. And it's, it's so hard to even like think about, but it's healing. It's so healing. And one thing that I love is Leviticus chapter 26 is he talks about the consequences for someone for disobedience. OK. And it's so easy when you're reading the Old Testament to focus on the actual punishment and not the love. Because the thing about love is if it's genuine love, it's not going to be smooth and easy. It's going to be hard, difficult, and it's going to take a lot of faith to maintain love on both sides of that relationship. And so as he's laying down for these Israelites, these are your punishments if you disobey me. Next, he says, if you turn away from these sins and you repent from these sins, I will not leave your side the whole time. You're in exile the whole time. So while they're still serving their punishment, God is right there with them, watching over them and loving them even when they're in the worst part of their punishment, whether it's exile, whatever it is. And to me, that's what should be the more focused point of the Bible, because as much as a sovereignty and the scariness of God should be a factor, I mean, God is all powerful. That's pretty terrifying thought. Focus on the love because that kind of love, that's a faith that's immovable. I mean, the fact that you can't shake God's faith, even though if you read the Israelite story the whole time, they're trying every turn to run away. They're like, guys, Egypt was better. Like they, they totally like, I idolize slavery, like actual slavery and, and all these different things. And they're just like, you know what, we know better. Let's turn around and one quote that was awesome. So they're just about to enter the Holy Land in the book of numbers. It's about towards the end I think around numbers 20 ish give or take a couple chapters and they're about to enter the promised land and they send 12 Hebrew spies to go kind of scope out the land. Well, when they get back, 10 out of 12 of them are like, guys, we're not going to be able to inhabit this land. There's too many people like that. We're going to be cooked like we're just dunzo if we try. And so they start freaking out and they're like, well, why don't we just appoint someone other than Moses and we'll go back. We'll go back to Egypt, like, forget it. And then what God does is he curses them and says, none of you guys are going to enter this land. None of you like, it'll be your descendants. And So what do they do? As soon as God tells them that they'll be wandering in the wilderness, they go, you know what, never mind, let's go take our promised land. And like one of the focus points on that was we have a lot easier time believing God's curses than his blessings. Speaker 2 Oh whoa, ain't that true, though. Unpacking Ancient Texts: The Bronze Snake and Exposure Therapy That's a really good point, man. Dang, no, because that's I don't. I mean, oh, definitely with myself, even I just, I get dude, I realize I have so many good things happen to me that I almost become so redundant that I stopped becoming like as thankful as I should. And then there's just so many little bad things that happened to me. That one little bad thing happens and then I just make it such a big deal. I'm like, fuck you guy, why would you do this to me? And I just do. But and you know, not exactly like that, but I just like, you know, I'm just some moment, whatever, but I just do know I, I exactly feel like right away when like something bad happens to me. I genuinely, I just wanted to have like this emotional reaction where I just want to lash out on God. And I just, I realized that's like a very irrational thought and I'm able to control that, thank the Lord, but I just, it does kind of like almost kill me that like I just, it's exactly as you said, when God gives me a blessing, it's like, oh, thank you God. But then it's, but then when he like he curses me, it's like God, wait, why would I focus on that way more than the blessing? I don't know, dude. That did kick in the head. It's. Speaker 1 Crazy because then what they do is after God tells them the reason she says like you can tell they instantly believe his curse is because as soon as he tells them that they're going to be wandering the wilderness, they're like, you know what, let's go take that promised land. Actually, we, we got this, we can do it. And then they try and then what do you know, it doesn't work out for them because their plan changed. And so it's crazy because it just shows where their faith is. And like every turn, dude, every single turn, they're just being like so ungrateful and so hyper focused on the problems that they forget the presence of God is with them. Speaker 2 Wow, yeah. Speaker 1 And, and so, and you know, I, I do think that for me, it is kind of difficult to read the Old Testament because you have to be careful how you read it. You can't necessarily read it the same way you read the New Testament because things were very different. The Holy Spirit wasn't upon everybody. It was in, in the form of God. His presence was, I guess you could say like he was, He's still everywhere at once, but it's almost more limited to 1 area, which is like what the Ark of the Covenant represented, you know what I mean? It was like his spot on the earth. So it was very different. At that point in time, to be in the presence of God, you had to be a priest, you had to clean yourself, you had to do all these sacrifices just to be in the presence of God, and only certain people could. And then after Christ ascended to heaven, the Holy Spirit descended upon everybody. And so that's why it's like, it's very different, but a lot of the principles are still the exact same because it's the same God. But it's it's very interesting. Speaker 2 And you know, OK, this is, I know it's a little off topic from our topic, but I just, I, I want to talk to you about this. Actually, This is why I get a little like, I don't know why I feel like, I mean, to be fair, I think this also stems from a lack of knowledge as well. So please forgive me, but I just this is what always got me is exactly as you said. No, back in the day before Christ was even like before he came on the earth. No, it was always the priest or like some like higher like person in power that would only be able to necessarily like experience. God was only after Christ. So I just OK, you know what maybe my question is OK, nevermind. That's kind of a stupid question now because I just like, no, I just never understood like why it just had to be like all or just like, it had to be just like these high priests and like it couldn't be anybody else. But also now when I think about it more, I think I'm just being. Speaker 1 Well, I don't think it's a dumb question and I don't even know if I have the right answer, but what I'm kind of thinking is the Levites were designated as priests and the Levites is the tribe in which Christ was descended from. Yes, you're right. And so they had to be set apart from the set apart people. Speaker 2 OK. Speaker 1 And so they were all encompassed together and in fact, there's a lot of sacrifices everyone had to be involved with, but it was the priests were the ones that were directly in the presence with God. Speaker 2 Makes sense. OK. Speaker 1 And, and what's interesting about that too is like there are kind of like throughout and like I said, I'm only in the book of Numbers, which is pretty early in the Bible. So there's a lot left to read, but there is some like arguing and complaining about within the Levites about, well, like this is your guys's task because they all get, there's three different clans in the Levites and they all get designated different tasks within serving God. And some of them get kind of jealous and like annoyed that they don't have, you know, in their eyes, the same level of job that this person has. And so God ends up putting them in their place there as well. And so it's very interesting. And I don't know, I think a lot of people chalk up the Old Testament to some like oversimplified things, when in reality, it's, dude, there's a lot in those texts. And I can tell I'm just, I don't think I have the wherewithal yet to like, fully understand what I'm not understanding or what I'm not, you know what I mean? Interpolating. Because one thing that Jordan Peterson was talking about, I heard him in an interview, was do you know about the bronze snakes for the bronze snake, the serpent? Speaker 2 Oh life, refresh my memory. Speaker 1 So the Israelites were, I can't exactly remember. I, I want to say they were complaining about they're, they're complaining to God, as they love to do. And God got so angry with them that he sent these poisonous snakes to attacked them and they started killing off lots of them. And this a lot of these were were fulfilling his prophecy. If none of you guys will live to inherit this promised land because a lot of them to get very blasphemous, which is interesting. It's almost like God knew their hearts. Yeah, weird. But so when when they try to like ask God to like help them, he doesn't take away the snakes. He has Moses construct this staff with a serpent on it. And anyone who looks at the serpent won't be killed by the poison in these snakes. And Jordan Peterson was talking about how that's actually a pretty interesting correlation, especially with this time period having no concept of exposure therapy. It's almost a form of exposure therapy because by looking at this snake, you are now healed. Represents the idea that once you're exposed to the very thing that will hurt you, you become either more resistant to it or it won't hurt you. And then it's, it's even more interesting because Jesus actually does specifically reference this exact staff at some point where he says like basically look at me as if I'm the, the staff of the serpent or something along those lines. So usually if it's mentioned more than once, there's a lot of significance surrounding that. So very interesting. But that's what I mean by there's a lot of mysteries that like I know in my modern day English brain, English speaking brain, like there's a lot of Hebrew things that are just kind of floating over my head left and right. Speaker 2 Yeah, me too, though, man, me too. Muhammad vs. Christ: Seeking Truth and Respecting Differences I realized when it comes to I just man one thing, man, I've been trying to study a little more the the story of like Muhammad and everything, just trying to see like the the the validity that, you know, I don't know why I brought that up. I I'm sorry. No, I'm. Speaker 1 How's that going? Speaker 2 Muhammad makes some good points man. But I just, I realised something. I really did realise something. I just, I mean, it really just seems like it. I really just heavily encourage people just to read the story of Muhammad. I really heavily encourage people to read the story of Christ more. And I just I, I, I say before you make a decision, whether you say, what do you would you rather believe Muhammad or Jesus more? Just I, I want you. I I really am just trying to get like the best understanding that I can before I like maybe like make a decision, but I just I, I guess the reason why I bring this up is because like, for some reason, I don't know why, but like after like the for a weird reason, the story of Muhammad almost breaks me for some reason, just because on the fact that, you know, I can't even explain why it breaks me. I really can't. Speaker 1 Breaks you? In what way would you say? Speaker 2 Ma I realized he was making I mean, to be fair, like he does make a lot of sense with a lot of things and I and I just I mean, I mean, well, also I just, I don't know, I guess I kind of just realized, Oh, wait a minute. I see why a lot of people are like, hold on. This is like this guy knows what the heck he's talking about. And I realized, oh crap, this is going to bring so much. Like I understand, like why this would just bring like so much just broke. I just, I really hate that it's like, you know, it's either got to be one side or the other because for some reason, man, I'm just going to be honest with you, that never has just sat right with me. I just, I don't know why I can't say like the most or like the Muslim faith or the Christian faith is right. I just, I for some reason, in my opinion, I think they're both right. And I, I really do think just on the fact that all religions have one common goal and that common goal is just to find truth itself, that I just, I feel I can never necessarily say the Muslim religion is wrong. Because whether you like to think it, I mean, the Quran is quote UN quote a perfect text. Whether with when you add the context and everything, it is quote UN quote perfect. It all comes down to your interpretation. And it's exactly why the we can say the Bible is a quote, UN quote, perfect text, because and after all of our translate, the message still does stay the same. And one thing that I just I think the reason why I get so broken about it is because I really do realize is that we are so much closer to the to the truth and we really do think we are. Hear me out on this. I really do believe that. And I really do believe if we just actually just sat down together and just talked about it more. And let me tell you, those are going to be some difficult ass conversations to have. And we're never going to be able to have those conversations, sadly, because with media I'll, with how just the world works today, I don't think that will ever happen. But it's, it just absolutely kills me how we really aren't that much different at the end of the day, because no matter what, we still bleed red at the end of the day. We, we still share the same experience called the human experience. It may be in a different body, but we still share the human experience and in that in itself. Speaker 1 OK, let me ask you this Does Muhammad teach you to value that in all people? Speaker 2 I guess I don't want to speak for Muhammad because I. Speaker 1 Well, maybe I just, I'm curious. I want you to look into that and let me know what you find. I will because that's my biggest turn away from Islam is in terms of how you get your fundamental value is revealed by your willingness to submit to Allah. It's it's in from what I gathered and that's why I'm curious what you will gather. That's the underlining major difference that keeps me far away from Islam is because I do believe that regardless of your beliefs, it doesn't change your value at all. You have equal value regardless of if you're a nihilist, if you're an atheist, if you're a Christian. To me, it really doesn't matter. And the other thing is I I understand like the why I do, but you were also started this podcast saying that you're someone that does believe in objective truth. And so that's where it's like 1 + 1 = 2. But then this group claims 1 + 1 = .9999 repeating. They're so close to the exact same truth, but they're not the same truth. And only one of those statements is true. Speaker 2 And you know what, I do absolutely agree with that. And I really do think because it is those little things that I don't think it talked about and that I really do just get left in the dust and that and all of a sudden just gets forgotten about and hey, let's just fight. Look, because yeah, that's the reason. No, I do 100% agree with that. I just, it does just kind of kill me on the inside though that I mean, like, yes, like with everything that you said, yes, you're 100% correct about it. But I just still like, yeah, I just don't know how to feel about a. Speaker 1 Genuine. So what I what I actually would like to do, if you don't mind, is I after we are done recording this episode, which we're getting there about probably 20 minutes left or so. Excuse me, I want to give you these eight questions that we did in my little word world views class to apply to all the different world views and then compare them across the board because that will show you like a pretty overarching like idea of like, OK, what is reality? What is supreme reality? What is like? It goes through all these different questions and you can look at it through the lens of each either major world religion or each different viewpoint. And it's, I think it's pretty cool, actually interesting. And what is interesting is how close a lot of Islam and Christianities are, but the ones that are different are so different. Speaker 2 Which I do agree with that. Yes, you are right about that. No, I it's I OK, We have to. Speaker 1 And also, I want to make this clear too, just because you, just because you come to a conclusion with something, it doesn't mean you can't respect other conclusions. Whenever I was in class and I was working with all these really smart people, if I was right and they were all wrong and the time comes where the teacher's like, this is the answer. I'm not like, ah, in your face. I'm like, dude, really good work. Like I see exactly what you did. You laid it all out. You worked really hard, you tried your best and you got a different answer. You know what I mean? So I, I think we can still be on the attack of like a lot of stigma around these things where, you know, try to eradicate it. Be cautious because there are very divisive people and I think it can end really ugly in a lot of ways. And, and, but, but I do think that you can have respect for someone and disagree with them 1000%. I think that needs to be more normalized. And I think that you've been saying that this whole podcast. But one thing I'd like to kind of redirect is so back to that Leviticus section where he's talking about his disobedience. Broken to Reheal: Natural Consequences and Divine Intervention I think what another really important thing is to understand that God is telling you that there are going to be consequences for your actions. Now I think it works a little different today. I don't think every action or consequence. That's another thing that's actually in the world view thing is consequence and how in Islam, it's generally believed that Allah is the consequence no matter what in everything compared to the God of Christianity allows natural consequence and intervention. So it's, it's a little more of a dichotomy in that sense where it's a little bit of both. And because I think there's a lot of times where like you stub your toe and you're like, why God? Like metaphorically speaking, you stub your toe and you're like, why God? But in reality, if you just shifted your toe a little bit, you wouldn't have stubbed it. And so I do think that there's times that there's natural consequences, but I do think God will set us down certain paths to sharpen us, to strengthen us, to reveal to us who we are. And that's where I get this idea of broken to reheal. I think that if you're genuinely seeking God, and maybe this is something that'll relate to you, maybe not. But this has been my personal experience over the last few months as I'm genuinely seeking God. Every time that I start to sprout up and grow in a direction that isn't with God, I get broken again. And then I try again, and I get broken again and again and again and again. And I can't figure out why until I take a step back and go. It's because I want God with me. He's not letting me go without Him because I want Him with me. And now that I'm starting to realize that, what do you know? I'm actually starting to heal from whatever this funk has been. Speaker 2 Yeah. Speaker 1 It's weird. Speaker 2 I've I guess I haven't really given it that much of a chance genuinely. I mean, no, I, I have honestly, that is actually how I do work as well. No, there's like certain moments where honestly, like I'm, I'm doing really well. I feel like I'm learning a lot more and then I just hit this absolute roadblock and just, I just started losing all my faith afterwards and I just, but then I re heal after that and then I just, it's, it's kind of just almost this endless cycle. I realize and I realized I'm in this cycle and I just, I, I think you're right. I realized that there's just a a little shift in my perspective and I feel like I I'm able to just get out of like this broken cycle almost. And I, and I will admit to you, man, I, it's, I really do give a shit about what people think about me, man, whether I like to think that or not. I care way too much about what people think about me. And I realized that has almost kind of destroyed me at times. And I've gotten better at least with just one thing I've realized is this, and this is an absolute blessing because guess what? It is perfectly normal to absolutely care about that other person. But guess what? If they keep on hurting you and hurting you and hurting you, they if they just keep on doing that, you're going to get so sick of like being hurt that you're just not going to care. And after that moment, after you've just been hurt so many damn times, you've just been broken so many damn times. You're like, you know what, screw you, screw this. I'm just, I'm not doing the like my own thing. And then you just and then it's just you, you finally done. It's just, it is one of the greatest feelings in the world. It really is. And you don't give a shit about what they feel or just like what they think about you because they treated you like crap that whole entire time, man, I don't care. I just, and I, you know, like with some of the people we were working with at that factory, man, just. Speaker 1 Oh yeah, we didn't even say that. Neither of us work in that factory anymore. Speaker 2 Bro yeah I know. Wait, do they know about that? Speaker 1 No, they don't. Oh, Chris, no idea. Yeah, Z and I, we are no longer factory workers. Speaker 2 Yeah, no, no longer factory workers. Thank the Lord. Oh man, no. Wow. Speaker 1 I forgot about that. Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I forgot. Yeah. No, it's. Wow. It's really been that long since we haven't recorded it. Yeah, OK. It's crazy, man. Yeah. No, no, but that's the thing though, man. I realized like I would just like especially at the factory for example, I would just get so like you know that one boss we had, it would just break me down every single second he got and I just, but honestly, no, it kind of was a good thing for me though because he just broke me down so many damn times. I just finally had to just get a backbone for myself. I started speaking up for myself more and he didn't like it initially, but guess what? He gained my respect a lot more after that. He just did start to like me more afterwards and I just oh crap. Speaker 1 Even when you don't believe it, change is happening and that's dude, the biggest evidence for God in my opinion is the transformation in your life. Speaker 2 Bingo. And also I would love to add that I'm really trying to do a better job of trying to stand up for God. I still stink at it, let me tell you, but I, I, I, that is one thing I'm just trying to muster up the courage a lot more is just to have these more kinds of conversations with people because I really am just trying to find the truth. You are trying to find the truth and you, the viewer listening to this, you're probably trying to find the truth. We are, I mean with that simple truth itself, we are so much more connected than we really think we are. And I just it's, I don't know. That's a beautiful. Speaker 1 Thing it is. And here's another thing, because it's scary when you're mad at God or you're upset with yourself so much or you're ashamed of yourself or what, whenever you are experiencing, God wants to experience that with you. Speaker 2 Which is weird. Speaker 1 It is when Adam committed the first sin. The first sin? What was God doing? He was looking for Adam. All he wanted was Adam to still come to him with his sin. And what did Adam do? He hid. And that upset God because you can't really hide from God. Speaker 2 One thing I never really thought about is that, you know, I really do believe that the deeper that you can feel love, the deeper that you can also feel pain. The fact that we literally can't comprehend God's love because He loves us that much. You ever think about how much pain he actually feel? Speaker 1 Like, oh, man, yeah, yes. Oh, that's beautiful. Speaker 2 Yeah. Speaker 1 Yeah, because that's the thing of that's so beautiful about Jesus Christ. Would Allah ever, and I don't mean any disrespect by this, but would Allah ever humiliate himself enough to form into a human being and suffer every ounce of human suffering to ever have existed? Well. Speaker 2 Yeah, man. Fair, Fair. Speaker 1 Enough like, because that's what the idea of Christ is like, like even to the Buddha, like your idea of a God is a golden statue of a man at peace. Mine is the cross. It's like, it's just this, this like really like riveting thought of the cross. Because when I was a kid, you know, I always thought, like, Oh, well, the crucifixion would hurt, but it doesn't hurt near as much as the weight of everybody's sin. That's something we cannot comprehend. And so when you're going, why God, Why me, you can realize that exact pain Jesus has felt already. That's crazy, dude. And then the fact that he's paid for all the sin that we don't even know we're committing. He's felt the pain of that too. Or the ones we haven't done yet. Like dude, it starts like just blowing your mind. Speaker 2 Yeah, that's. Balaam's Prophecy: God's Faithfulness Despite Human Betrayal It's that is so beautiful. Speaker 2 I love it, I really do. Jesus, you're awesome, man. You really? Speaker 1 Are dude, it's crazy man, because it it it would be humiliating for God to step into the existence. I can I go grab my Bible and read a passage? Really. Speaker 2 Quickly. Yeah, go for it. What time is it, 1224? I got a This is Brandon. OK, so you. Speaker 1 Guys can make fun of me. This is my first Bible that isn't the King James Version and it is the New Living Translation and I love it. But I because OK, when I want to ask you a question real quick, when you hear the Old Testament, what are you? What are your thoughts? What are you thinking? Speaker 2 I think of a just God. OK, I, I, I think that I mean, God created the world, but also I don't think he, well, no, actually, no, he did. No, never mind. I don't know honest man, I just I don't have a good answer for that. I had. Honestly, I really don't. Speaker 1 See, cuz I always, and I think this is more of a modern stigma about it, especially from people who haven't read it, but more of like a harsh, like a less loving or like pretty cruel at times. God. And, and I guess I'm not saying I personally think he's cruel, but like almost in that sort of lens because I've heard it maybe just over and over and over that he's so cruel. And I just want to find this one passage because. Do you know who Balaam is? Speaker 2 Balaam, I feel I've heard of that, but refresh me. Speaker 1 So at this point, the Israelites are kind of moving around and the king of Mob is like freaking out. Speaker 2 Yes. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Speaker 1 And so he sends for Balaam, and Balaam's this guy who somehow knows God. It's very mysterious, but he knows Yahweh, and he doesn't seem to be an Israelite. And he gets told to come bless or curse the Israelites and he just refuses to. And there's some really interesting spiritual things in his passage, like with the donkey being able to see Jesus and like, you know, like, well, OK, so there's this thing called the Christophany where every time it says Angel of the Lord, it's actually referencing a pre Incarnate Jesus. I got you really interesting. I recommend looking into it but I'm just trying to find this passage because to me it actually is like I feel like it just sums it up. Let me find that I guess. Sorry, one second deal with an Indian thing. OK, yeah, yeah. Here we go. This. I thought it was this, but I wanted to like, make sure I'm not going to read 1 and then be like, oh, wait, it's not this. So this is Numbers chapter 24. This is the message of Balaam, son of Bior. And I might butcher some of these pronunciations. The message of the man whose eyes see clearly. The message of one who hears the words of God, who sees a vision from the Almighty, and who bows down with eyes wide open. How beautiful are your tents, O Jacob. How lovely are your homes, O Israel. They spread before me like palm Groves, like gardens by the Riverside. They are like tall trees planted by the Lord, like Cedars beside the waters. Water will flow from their buckets. Their offspring have all they need. Their king will be greater than agag. Their Kingdom will be exalted. God brought them out of Egypt for them. He is as strong as a wild ox. He devours all the nations that oppose him, breaking their bones in pieces, shooting them with arrows like a lion. Israel crouches and lies down like a lioness who dares to arouse her. Blessed is everyone who blesses you, O Israel, and cursed is everyone who curses you. And so why that's such a beautiful passage to me is he literally says they are like tall trees planted by the Lord. They spread before me like palm Grove. So he's saying all these beautiful things about Israel. This is literally right after he like goes after them and like punishes them for a lot of their cruelty. But here he's talking to their enemies as though they are these like just amazing, beautiful people. And one of the things about that is because God already knows that these people's sins have been paid for. They don't, but through Christ because he paid for all past and present sins. And so just like the way that he like poetically talks about Israel is just so beautiful because of how quickly they were just betrayed. It just shows like the faithfulness of God. Speaker 2 Yes. Speaker 1 And and what is love other than being able to see past people's wrongdoings? Speaker 2 100% man. Speaker 1 God is just the ultimate being of that. It's kind of crazy because like I remember, I don't remember if it was after we recorded an episode a little while back or if we were just talking in general, but you had told me like you just could not comprehend why God loved you. And like about how because you knew you were going to sin and the fact that you knew you were going to sin but it was wrong was like really upsetting to you. And like that deeply impacted me because I thought about that deeply for a while and I just started to realize like, well, wait, that is the love of God. Like that's actually so beautiful. Like it's scary at first because you start thinking about it and you're like, I don't deserve this. And then you're like, oh, I don't deserve this. Speaker 2 Oh, crap. Oh crap. Yeah, I remember when you finally made me realize that, bro, that was oh, that was coming to Jesus moment right there, man. Yeah, that was woof. Speaker 1 And you know what's beautiful too? And like, so I don't take near death experiences with like a lot of, you know, full like undoubts or whatever. Like I, I'm a little skeptical, but there's this one where this guy died and he saw Jesus and basically Jesus showed him like this montage of his whole life. And the guy started crying because he realized that even in the times where he absolutely hated Jesus, Jesus was still there the whole time with his hand reached out. That is so like profound. It's like, because that does represent Jesus. Like even when you're in absolute rejection and denial, he is still standing there waiting for you. Beautiful man. It's so beautiful. And and it's really healing. And I think like it is true. Like one thing that I've really been relying on is this faith building in me that like I hear over and over once he started working, you like he won't stop. Like it won't be done until it's done. And you can have, you can trust that God's work is going to like be able to, you know, overcome anything in your way. Speaker 2 That's beautiful. Speaker 1 Bro, because I had a hard time believing that with how hard it was for me to like just function regularly and then even a little above regularly. I was just like, dude, I know everyone thinks that they're going to be getting healed, but like I don't know about me bro. And then slowly I'm like, well, if I actually believe that this is the God. Like the one in True God. How can I not have faith that if he's working in me, something's going to excuse me. Something's going to come with this. You Are Never Too Broken for God: Embrace Your Journey That is bad though. Wow, that's awesome dude. Speaker 1 It's it's hard to like I guess put into words sometimes, but. Speaker 2 No, that's you do a very good job with that man. Very good job. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, shit, man, I need to stop swearing all the time. Well, well, I I've swore a few times, you know, I'm, I'm getting better with myself. I've tried to limit it more but I don't. Speaker 1 Know, I know I have mixed feelings on swearing because I kind of grew up in like a family that I'm not going to say like swore all the time because that's not true, but didn't put that awful stigma on swearing. Speaker 2 Yeah, like my parents had like after I turned 18. They're like, you're an adult. Yeah, it's OK to swear here and there. Just don't be swearing like a sailor 'cause it is unprofessional. And I'm not trying. I'm not here to be unprofessional on a mainly Christian podcast. So no, I'm, I apologize, but no, I, I don't know. It's sometimes it's also good to swear to get your point across. Speaker 1 Those yeah, it does help with emphasis of things. That is so true. Speaker 2 But yeah, is there anything else you want to talk about real quick? Or any passages you want to finish off with or. Speaker 1 I do want to just kind of leave this central message, guys. No matter how broken you are, you are never too broken for God. Speaker 2 Oh, say that one more time. Say that one. Speaker 1 More time. No matter how broken you are, you are never too broken for God. Speaker 2 I guarantee you just helped a lot of people with that, man. I really do. And that's exactly so true, man. I mean in my life, man, there's even to this day, even now, I feel like, oh, I am nowhere near worthy eye of God. I am just such a broken human being. I I can't, I don't deserve any of this. That's the whole entire point. That's that actually your understanding now you're like it doesn't seem like it, but you're so much closer than you actually are. It's you got to admit that you're broken no matter what. Everybody becomes broken at one point because it's like, what the heck am I doing on this one, man? It's scary and all of a sudden just start looking into it a little more. And because that's the thing, man, I know that there's going to be a lot of people out there that are going to think we are bad shit, insane because I mean, you believe in God. And the fact that I try my hardest to believe in God. There are people that think we are bad shit, insane for that. But actually it it's there's more reason to believe that there is a God, that there is an act literally, there is more reason to believe it, but and it it does show the absurdity of our human nature. It shows insanely how absurd it is and that's why I love absurdism actually, but I just, but that's the thing, man. You just got to embrace it and you just and it just just talk to people and like, you know what, if you're no offense, man, I'd rather live off of Jesus than pills, man. And and no offense, if you do live off like any sort of pill, that's not a bad thing. I'm not trying to like shade on you or anything. No, it's not a bad thing whatsoever. I just realized no, I would have had to be like I would be at an all time depressing glow if I just denied Jesus straight up. But I. Speaker 1 I can't even like there were times where I'd kind of wrestle back and forth that in my mind because I didn't want to have to actually be trying to be a good Christian kind of thing. And those times where I wrestled and leaned a little more on like, well, maybe, maybe he's not there. Oh, dude, it's such a dark cavity. Because even when you're in a dark cavity, but you have Jesus, it's just not the same. And. Speaker 2 You want to know something, I think, no offense, but some of the most depressed people I've ever met are the people that have straight up denied Jesus Christ because it's like, you know, you can still be an atheist, but like, you know, I mean, that is interesting with the whole entire Christ thing. It shows that you still keep an open mind. And I love that. I don't respect the atheists that are like, no, Christ is just straight up bullshit. And I'm just wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, hold on. Now, you're missing the whole entire point, and I think there are a lot of, and I will admit that is what main reason why I do even hold myself up at times, just because I do care about. I want everybody to like me. I really would prefer if everybody would like me, but that's just not going to happen. Whoopsie, Daisy, that sucks. That's life. Speaker 1 Yeah. And, and, and I think you've deduced this and I think a lot of people are starting to kind of figure this part out is that the first steps generally to this equation tend to be zooming out and following the paths to the end and see what that looks like. So true. Because when you start doing that, it gives you this broader perspective of what matters and what doesn't matter. And when you're attached to the absolute wrong things, you start to realize, oh crap, my whole way of life doesn't matter because we are all just specs in a huge universe. That is all we are and we're only here for a blip of time before it's over. And so, and that's not to like, 'cause this insane sense of urgency, like I'm not trying to freak people out, 'cause I do struggle sometimes with how fast times move and everything. But maybe that's the message you needed to hear. Maybe that was what it was. That's like, well, wait a minute, I'm not going to be here forever. I don't know if video games means life or going out and drinking is the the pinnacle of this existence or like just follow to the end whatever Rd. you're on and try to see what that destination looks like. Most of the time it is terrifying, yes. And that's okay. That is what you need sometimes you, you know, like I always picture one of the biggest movements and shifters in my life. It was it was the middle of summer of 2023. I was just, I was doing all right. I was in classes. I was doing all right in my classes. I was working, I was doing good at work. And I woke up from a nap because I was hanging on to this grass root. And all the sudden I looked down and it was just a pit of hell and I fell and was like, I'm not ready to die yet. I'm not going up there. And I like woke up and was just like, whoa. Speaker 2 Oh, crud. Speaker 1 That's not OK. I, I, I'm that not ready to die. Something's wrong here. And then I started reevaluate, reevaluating my faith, the people I was surrounded by, like I that was like one of the first big like times that I was kind of like, whoa. And so, yeah, I think that that fear can be OK. Just don't let it eat you up. Don't let it like because a lot of times I feel like that fear can make us like a Jonah where we're so busy running from God because of the fear that we've realized that is that is all around us, We can tend to avoid and just run the opposite direction of God's message and God's plan. Speaker 2 True. Speaker 1 One last thing on the on the whole faith thing, and this is another prominent message because I, I get so in my head about what did I make the right choice here that I screw up too badly here? Like what if this isn't what God wanted for me? There's nothing in our power that can take us from what God's plan is for us, which is like so trippy to start thinking about. It's a very like weird and deep and like, I don't know, it's a very interesting conversation to have maybe for another episode, but there's nothing you can do to screw up God's plan. It's pretty crazy to think about because he never said like actually in my translation it does say this, but in the closer to word for word translations he doesn't say if you guys eat from the tree of the fruit of knowledge, you're going to die. He says when you eat from the fruit of the tree of knowledge everything God planning, he's accounting for every action so you're never too far off the course. Speaker 2 Wow. Speaker 1 Pretty crazy. Speaker 2 That's awesome bro, I love it. That's awesome. Beautifully. Speaker 1 But yeah, no, I felt good to get on here and just just talk. And I think by the time this episode's released, you guys already know. But it sounds like 2026 is going to be a big year. Speaker 2 2026 is the year. Let's get it. It's going to be a great year. I already know it. Speaker 1 So big things ahead. Anything else you'd like to add Z. Speaker 2 Not really, honestly. Yeah, nothing. You do a good job and then or finishing it up man. Speaker 1 So just remember, sometimes if you're healing wrongly, it's OK if you have to be broken again. And if you are broken, just know healing is always within your reach. Speaker 2 100% man valid. Thank you. Hey, thank you everybody for tuning into this episode of The Trap Boys. Pocket some Z. Speaker 1 I'm data. Speaker 2 And we're signing out peace. Speaker 1 Peace be with you.