BRANDON WALKER AND KAYCE SMITH DELIVER A THROWBACK EPISODE

What's up Brandon Walker College football show fans, you can find every episode of the Brandon Walker College football show on Apple podcast, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon music. What happens when you lock 18 coworkers in an office for one week to compete for a quarter million dollars of cash. This is surviving bar stool season five presented by rumble premium, where each episode releases three hours early, so get it ad free before anybody else only when you join rumble premium. New episodes of surviving bar stool will be released every Sunday and Wednesday, leading up to the Labor Day finale on September 7th. You can watch surviving bar stool at 5 p.m. on rumble premium and everywhere else at 8 p.m. Eastern. Still a blue coffee is more than just great coffee, it's coffee with a purpose, introducing we brew to rescue, a nationwide campaign using proceeds from our new ready to drink cans to help fund 1000 pet adoptions this year. Every can you crack open helps a real pet find a real home. Simple as that, made with 100% Colombian coffee each 11 ounce can delivers smooth, drinkable energy with a boost of protein, available in espresso, cafe mocha and espresso sweet cream. Help for mornings, long days and everything in between. Drink still blue, fuel your day and help save a pet's life. You can follow our progress in real time throughout the campaign by watching the adoption tracker on our site. Grab yours now at stillbluecoffee.com, Amazon and select retailers nationwide. Welcome to Unnecessary Roughness Old School Edition. If you've been with us for six years since our seven years now, since 2019, this is how the majority of the shows went early and then middle and then whatever. But it is me and Casey Smith, just the two of us back together again for this episode. Not the drunk. I was just like, "Hey, let's just do an old school one. Let's just do me and you." Yeah. You said, "We haven't done one just the two of us in a while." By the way, I'm going to say this multiple times. My voice has still not returned from San Fran. San Francisco, excuse me. I know that that's very offensive to say San Fran I've learned. So you're going to actually, you joke about having to carry these podcasts. You're going to actually have to do that. But yeah, this is an old school mom and dad episode. I feel like the newer listeners or watchers, viewers, whatever the word is of this podcast, don't realize that we did this for years and Jack Mack would be on the side. So this is throwing it back. I like to throw it back. You know, I do. Yeah. Indeed you too. So that's, that was a word around San Francisco anyway. So what happens in California, stays in California, Brandon? Not to some people. Okay. So we've got, I have an announcement off the rip. Well, actually I have two announcements off the rip. Number one is this our, this is our last episode before our break. We're going to take a break and we'll be back in the summer. We will be back when the college football starts to stir again. We will start to stir again. So this is our last episode for a while. And number two, announcement is, you know, one of the reasons this podcast is so special is it has the beautiful and talented Casey Smith. Thank you. But up until yesterday, it had the 2023 number one college football media personality in the world, according to big game Boomer. And I would like to update everybody. Maybe you've seen it. Maybe you haven't. I haven't talked to Casey about it, but. What is the gentleman? The 2025 number one college football media personality in the world. It's once again, Brandon Walker. He's evidenced by this banner right here. And as declared by James, James has declared me the number one college football media personality in the world. Thank you to James. Thank you to big game Boomer RIP wherever you are. So we got that going from Casey. So I did. I responded to it on Twitter. And I just said, you know, much deserved because it is much deserved. But what's so funny is that there are probably so many people seeing that on Twitter. They don't necessarily live in the barstool world or know the law that probably don't have a clue what big customer means. And that made me giggle because, of course, we know and stooly's know. But there's a college football fan out there that like has to say, what the fuck is big customer? Well, if you're watching this and you only know it from college football, big customer isn't it name I got because I ordered Chick-fil-A every single day at the New York City office. And I got to ordering it so much the security guys who stand at the door and let the food in would grab my food and quietly write these affirmative quotes that I thought were coming from the Chick-fil-A number one customer, huge customer, big customer. And I just, it made me feel so good every day because this one place I ordered lunch from was noticing me. And I didn't find out until months later after I moved to Chicago that the security guys were doing it themselves. So big customer is a good nickname though. It is. It's great. The fact that I believed at the whole time because obviously when you were in New York we were together every day. We would eat lunch a lot together. I thought there's just no way that in New York City they are acknowledging one guy, but they must be because who would be making this up. So I was bamboozled too. And so I didn't, I, Santa Claus wasn't real that day. We found out with, when Pat and Mike were doing that to you, it just isn't mean. It was hateful. But it was so much funnier. So much funnier than I am. Did anybody, I never figured this out, did only they know, like did they keep it that secret to do? No, because no, because I found out because spider told me, oh, well one spider find out something. I mean, everybody knows like that spider, spider, you know, brother, but he's the worst kept secret guy. Spider knew and Ebony knew because I think when they weren't there, they had Ebony to do it. Like they had a network of people that if we're not here, you do it. And so Ebony, not Ebony, not snitching makes sense. Like if there was a person at barcel sports that I needed to keep a secret from or keep a secret with is you and its Ebony, if the opposite, I love spider, but I would not want him to know something I didn't want anybody else to know. So as soon as soon as he found out, you found out. I believe so. I believe, I believe so. All right. We got, you got five questions for me and that's your segment and my segment is going to be this. Quick, before I do that segment, a little quick mini segment, I don't know if you saw, but RIP James Vanderbeek James Vanderbeek from Dawson's Creek in varsity blues died at 48 today. So he is, he is now gone. But is, is, is James Vanderbeek does he qualify as a football legend because he obviously is not a football player as an actor, but he was the quarterback in a very similar football movie. I think he would be a football legend. So what do you think? I don't know if I would use legend. You go Dawson first. You go Dawson first. When do you think of him? Brandon, I have never seen an episode of Dawson's Creek. So I, I know who he is because obviously at that time, I don't even remember when Dawson's Creek hit its peak. I feel like I may have been a little too young, like 98.3 is what I'm thinking. Okay. So that would have been, I mean, I guess I had girlfriends that like had posters of him on, on their walls. I was never a big Dawson's Creek guy. I would know him from varsity blues more, but it was like a, a, a one off like, would you call Taylor Kitch because of Tim Riggins at football legend? Uh, I think I would. You would? I like like the, like, like the defensive lineman Gary Burtier and remember the Titans use football legend, right? When he dies, that's a football loss. I don't know. That's true. That's true. Okay. Also, I mean, I, I know I'm sounding ignorant. Did they, was he sick? Yeah. I believe, I believe he had cancer. Yeah. It's awful. RIP. Oh my god. It was a great time for that sneeze. Um, no, but it's, it's just classically you. Yeah. All right. Here's my thing I got. And you told me you didn't see this on Twitter. And I'm actually glad you didn't see it. I hold in my hand. I believe this was, um, college football report on Twitter. You know, just one of those college, those Twitter accounts that love college football and do some aggregation and do some lists and everything. And I love them so much. Uh, but yesterday they dropped the top 50 head coaches in college football, uh, following the 2025 season. Now, anybody can make a list and, and I'm not going to say here and say his list is any more credence than my list or your list, but it does open up a question. I'm going to read you to the top 10 and then I'm going to ask you the question. Uh, so the number one coach in college football following the 2025 season, Indiana coach Kurt Signetti, number one, number two, Kirby smart, number three, Ryan Day, uh, number four, Dan Lanning, number five Marcus Freeman, number six, Lane Kiffin, seven Steve Sarkiesian from Texas, number eight Davos Swinney from Clemson, number nine, Kaelan DeBoer from Alabama and number 10 James Franklin of, uh, Virginia Tech, just missing the cut link and rally at USC Mario crystal ball, number 12 at Miami, Kyle, winning in Michigan, number 13, Mike Elco, number 14 at Kalani Sataki at BYU, number 15. So my question is this. I have multiple questions. The first one is two years in. Is it correct or premature to anoint Kurt Signetti who has now got two seasons at this level, two playoff gain, two playoff teams, one national championship. Is it premature or correct to call him the best coach in America? Not only do I think it's correct, I think it's number one with a bullet. In fact, like I was, you know, my facial expressions, if you're watching on YouTube, I think probably way a lot of my takes here, but like that one is the only one I think that you could make the argument that is the absolute correct position. I think you could debate a lot of the other ones. There are some in the top 10 that I think are baffling, but everything we talked about before they won the national championship, everything we've said for the last couple of seasons, you have to put him there, right? Like he, he not only took the worst college football program of all time to win a national championship, he did it in two years by just being the best at this new evolution of college football. And he did it decisively. He did it in the first year by by going 11 and 1, getting to the playoff, you know, having a talent discrepancy and losing, fixing the discrepancy, coming back and beating everybody. It is correct. He is the absolute best coaching college football. It's just a phenomenal thing when you think two years ago he's coaching at James Madison University. He's already in his 60s, like it's not a young man, but he right now is the crème de la crème top of the heap in college football. I think that one's a slam dunk and I think Kirby smart number two is probably also a slam dunk. Then you, you do get into some questionable ones, but, but like it's a top 50 list. Nobody's going to get every, nobody's going to agree with everybody's top 50 and nobody's going to agree with everybody's top 10. But I think universally, if you watch college football and make a living talking about it, if you do not have Kurtz Signati number one, you're either lying or just trying to get clicks. Okay, that's a rage bait. And I do both, I do both all the time, but I'm not going to do it here. You love that, but this is one that like is an obvious rage bait. Like sometimes it's like you can rage bait and you can still make the argument. Like you can't, I would agree with Kirby smart. I guess you could, there's not really anybody else I would slide above him. I would put him there. James Franklin being in the top 10 is baffling to me. And I understand that, you know, in the past, we've always put him up there when he was at Penn state. And I was like, okay, he just can't get over the hump. Like he got fired mid season. I'm not saying he's going to be a bad coach by any stretch of the imagination, but to rank that as a top 10 coach after this season is kind of crazy. So am I wrong? No, no, no, no, no. I think James Franklin is already benefiting from the new coach bounce. Like we're looking at James Franklin Virginia Tech and we're saying, wow, what a great get for Virginia Tech to get a guy like James Franklin. And we're remembering the coach that he was and forgetting that, you know, the last version of James Franklin, we saw was terrible. I don't believe he shouldn't have fired that fast to Penn state. I think they should have gave him a year to correct it, but he did get fired because they were terrible in the year. They thought they were going to win a national title. So I think, but that's not the one I have the biggest problem with in the top 10. Caleb DeBore being number nine is crazy. Caleb DeBore was handed the best roster in America. And he turned it into missing the playoff at nine and three, sneaking into the playoff at 10 and two and then getting his fucking doors blown off by Indiana. So like I don't, if you go to Alabama and that's your results, you're not a top 10 coach. You're just not. I think crystal ball, I think holding crystal ball out of the top 10 at this point is just holding on to either grudges or judgments you made three or four years ago and is ignoring what he is right now. And that's one of the elite coaches in the country. And also, and I'm just going to say it, Casey, as much as I ran in with your people and everything. And as much as I said, I don't know if it's a national title team when they were still undefeated, Mike Elko at 14 is a little ridiculous. I think he's better than Lincoln Riley ahead of him. I think he's better than James Franklin at this point out of him. And I would, yeah, I would move him up. I agree. And I mean, that's not a biosecake. When you look at, you know, obviously Kurt Signetti is the top of the top when you've had a couple of years at school. But what Mike Elko did to turn A&M around from what Jim, I mean, the dumpster fire that Jim Bo Fisher was, but Mario crystal ball not being in it. Like at one point, I think you got to eight or nine. And I legitimately had to think, is it the cold medicine I'm on or is it my blonde hair? Did he not say Mario crystal ball yet? Because this man had them obviously playing for a national title. And a couple of years ago, it was like, you know, the crystal frauds, all of that. And he definitely wasn't perfect. But to keep him out. And I mean, again, Lane Kiffins, the hottest name in the world, what's Lane Kiffin one? Why is Lane Kiffin above Mario crystal ball? Okay, so here's here's, I go the other way on that one. I'd rather have Lane Kiffin than Marcus Freeman or Dan landing. Is that crazy? I mean, and no, I mean, listen, I love Dan landing. I ride hard for Dan landing every single year. I probably should stop doing that next season. Um, Lane's name is the hot name. And he obviously every single time there was a job opening, it's like Lane is there because he rebuilds these teams and where he had Ole Miss, but he still hasn't won anything. Like yes, his team got to the playoff, but then they won in the playoff without him. I don't know. I would keep him there. I'm not saying I would take him out of the top 10, but Mario crystal ball being in the national championship should absolutely have him higher up than that. I agree, Mike Elko. James Franklin shouldn't be anywhere near the top 10 in my opinion. If you consider that Mario crystal ball played for a national title this year, and he's 12 and then Marcus Freeman played for national title last year. And he surrounds that by, by, by not a very good season before that. And then this year missing the playoff, like why is Marcus Freeman and Mario crystal ball separated by seven spots? They have the exact same peak and and crystal ball has done it longer. This is a semantics question, but is the list going into this season like or is it coming off of top 50 head coaches and calls for all following the 2025 season? Yeah. See, that's, that's where you lose all credibility to me because you're going to put Mario crystal ball outside of the top 10 following a season. He played the national championship and other guys who didn't even, some of them didn't even sniff the playoff. I mean, I guess Marcus Freeman did, but they still were left out. I don't know that, that's interesting, but Brandon, as I always say, and I know it's a little early to say list season, but this is why college football is so great, because you can throw these lists out on social media and we're going to sit and we're going to talk about him and we're going to get excited on February the 11th to talk about the next season. Just just one more I wanted to say, he's got Vanderbilt's Clark Lee outside the top 25. He's got Vanderbilt's Clark Lee behind, behind guys like print vanables and, uh, just on and on and on and Clark Lee's pretty goddamn good coach. He's, he went 10 and two at Vanderbilt. All right, uh, they're really quickly, really quickly though. Where would you put Davo now? Because we've said in the past, I think it's about Davo, obviously winning multiple national titles, but Crimson was God awful. I think he hates about right. I might, I might jump him up just in case, he gets all missing trouble for this tampering shit. So, uh, he might go up to number one if all missed gets in real trouble. I doubt they will because the NCAA's toothless, but, uh, if anybody, if, if Davo could pull that off, I'm going to be a Davo writer for the rest of my life. Now, the new year is here. Get back into an at home routine. You love and elevate your space with Wayfair from betting a mattress to storage, to storage solutions for every room in the house. Wayfair is your one stop shop. Refresh your living room with accent pillows and mirrors and faux plants for way less. Wayfair's huge selection of home decor items make it easy to find exactly what's right for you. Home decor for an all around refresh. They've got storage for every space, like storing outdoor furniture bathroom, getting organized and kitchen essentials for easy weeknight dinners. Uh, I'm in the, it's, it's, it's not spring yet, but like spring's not far. Like spring is at least dialing the phone to call us. And I'm, uh, I'm looking for my outdoor patio furniture. I'm going to, I bought my outdoor furniture from Wayfair two years ago. It's time for a refresh. So I'm going to dip back into the Wayfair bucket. Uh, get organized, refreshing back on track, this new year for way less head to Wayfair.com right now to shop all things home. That's w-a-y-f-a-i-r.com. Wayfair every style, every home head to Wayfair.com right now to shop all things home. Um, Hey Brandon, speaking of, speaking of refresh, have I told you what I'm refreshing? No. What? I'll text you. Oh boy. What's that? What, what could, what could, yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to text you right now. It's just going to be nasty when I want to see you refreshing. Well, it's not nasty, but you're, you're, your phone list, your contacts. What are you refreshing? Not the roster. Okay, because that roster is pretty sick. No, it's not. Oh god, you did tell me that, you did tell me that. All right. Uh, well, you know, I think Dolly gets it done once every couple of years. So why not you? Um, every 10 years, you got to get a refresh. You got to get them, you know, it's got to go get the tires rotated to the scientific. Do they rotate them? Medical. Do they rotate them? Or do they, they, they, they, you know, honestly, it's a great question. It's, uh, but it really is your, it's every 10 years. And, and this current, uh, this current tire set, um, is 16 years. It's got a lot of wear and tear. A lot of wear and tear on them. Those things are running bald. Uh, anyway, um, I didn't tell you this. I, last week, I went to, uh, I went to a party on Thursday night after the dozen, Thursday, by the way, all time day for me. I woke up and did, did my shows and then I got to go to the Gaffee area show and, uh, all that. And, uh, Thursday night, I went to a dinner that my agency was hosting and there were a lot of college football legends there. And, uh, I met Fernando Mendoza that night and did tell me that and I walked up to him. I did. And I walked, I walked up to him and I was like, yeah, what's up, man? And I was like, you know, because I'll be saying some shit. And I was like, uh, he's like, hey, and then he's nicest guy. He's just like, just like he is on TV. He was like that. And he's like, uh, he's like, what's up? And I said, Hey, man, just in case I'm sorry. I said, if I said anything. And he goes, oh, I know what you said, but you were mostly talking about Indiana. You never said anything bad about me. And I said, damn it. You're right. I never did say anything bad about you. I just badmouthed your coach before the year started. So that's okay. He seems like he would be the guy that even if he knew you had said like the most heinous shit ever, yeah, he would still like, he would be like, you know what? God forgives you. Now, feels like my, my, my meaning, Eli Manning didn't go quite as well. Um, anyway, uh, Brandon, can I tell you Mike Cadak? So I Fernando followed me on Instagram and obviously I'm like 45 years older than Fernando Mendoza, but I made the joke to to Cadak. I said, um, is he into older women and usually Cadak will play, you know, play along with my jokes, my antics. He said, you leave that angel alone. And I was like, oh, I agree with him. You, you stay away, you stay away from our sweet baby boy. Of course, he's a child. He's a child. I cannot, but like, I just wanted to make the joke. And, uh, Kenik was very, he was not playing around 'cause like, he at Brannermen does it just, every time you see him, he's just the happiest guy. And I have a question about him later in this because there's some discourse around him that I am not a fan of, Brandon, but we'll get to it. - Well, it's your turn to ask questions of me. - Well, I will. So first and foremost, I know the guys did a, an episode last week I believe on like Monday, I know you and I were in, were in California, but on Tuesday, we're all hanging out, you know, we're focusing on the NFL. And the college football playoff management committee, which by the way, adding management and it just makes it sound even worse and dorkier. But they come out and obviously this is like a week old at this point, but we have not talked about it personally together. They come out with one of the worst moves I've seen in college football for a long time. So if you're listening or watching this, you probably know, but just as a refresh, playoffs gonna remain in 12 teams. They're gonna, instead of having it nears, even nears day, they're gonna have one game on the 30th to not interfere with the NFL on Thursday. But then the big one, two weeks between the quarter finals and the semi finals, then the championship game will be on the 25th. So Brandon from start to finish of the college football playoff, not just next season, the season after will be 38 days from the first kickoff to the last kickoff. And if you are sitting at home doing that math, not only is it 38 days, the end of the regular season to crowning a national champion of just 12 teams in the playoffs is two months. And I know that I immediately went on a rant, put it on Instagram, Twitter, everybody. Brandon, my question to you is, did you first person foremost? So that's twice. Did you see anybody defending this at all? Because I did not. No, and it's one of those things that college football has changed so much over the last five years. And sometimes, I'll say this about Roger Gidelli in the NFL, Rob Manfer in baseball, maybe less about Adam Silver in the NBA, but maybe, but these professional sports leagues, when they put out something that is unpopular, they do a good job of usually listening to the pushback and listening to what they're saying. And if they don't change it, at least they acknowledge things like, okay, yeah, but like baseball will change, football will change sometimes, they'll tighten some things up. But college football, the big problem we all had, this was a great playoff, the only problem most people have with this playoff is it took forever. It took absolutely forever. And we all turn to college football and said, hey guys, great playoff, make it shorter. And they looked at us and said, what, what, what longer? You want to make it longer? You ever seen the movie The Great Outdoors? - Oh yeah. - John Candy is on the pier and he's teaching his son how to hold the rope to ski. And they're like, they're in the boat, Dan Accroyd's in the boat and he looks back. And he's like, you ready to go? And John Candy just says, yeah, yeah, one minute. And they take that to mean, I'm gonna drive the boat as fast as possible across the lake. And like John Candy's calling him a bastard and he thinks he's saying, go faster. That's what college football is right now. College football is in a boat speeding across the lake and we're saying, you bastards and they're like, oh, faster, faster. You wanna go deeper in the January. It's unbelievable. The one thing we had a problem with the playoff, they just refused to fix and they're gonna make it much, much, much, much, much worse. Indiana and Miami are two great teams. That championship game lost so much momentum from the, from the playoffs. Because you had two full weekends of NFL playoff action in between the semis and the finals. It did it to the service to Indiana or to the service to Miami and instead of fixing it, they're making it worse. It's bullshit. - That analogy is perfect because I just cannot imagine sitting in this college football management committee boardroom or Zoom or whatever they're doing. And being like, you know what? Every single person that's involved in college football, not just the fans because yes, like at the end of the day you and I work in this industry but we're also fans. Not just the fans, you've got head coaches, head coaches like Dan Lanning who's in the playoff. You've got players talking about it. Like this is not even just from an entertainment standpoint. Players shouldn't have to wait all this time to play these games. The coaching care itself, the transfer portal, all these things. They're sitting in that boardroom and they're like, oh, we don't care about any of that. We're just gonna make it worse. We're not gonna make it better. We're gonna make it worse. And the fact that there are two full weeks between the semis and the quarters, like that not only loses steam, that just can't be good for the teams that are playing physically. It just can't be. There's just no rationale that makes sense. Like, I don't know if it's a money thing. I know they're trying to avoid the NFL, but that makes no sense. See, there's no way they're making more money from this. So my question to you, Brandon, is, what is it gonna take to actually fix it? Because I said, and we said, and everybody said, sitting up in front of God and everybody, we can't just bitch and moan about this. We have to fix it. There is a major problem. Now it's worse. What's it gonna take? Because I don't know, they didn't want to listen now. What are they ever gonna listen? - Casey, it's not gonna get fixed until it starts costing them money. It probably will never cost them money. So it probably will never get fixed. It's probably just something they're gonna have to do and live with. It reminds me, have you ever seen the movie, The Great Outdoors with John Candy? It reminds me of a scene later in that movie where they go to a steakhouse and they got the old 96re, right? This gigantic steak that's hanging on a hook in the back and nobody can eat it. If you eat it, you get your whole meal for free. And the NCAA is John Candy and they're sitting there and they're eating and they're cutting it up. They're cutting it up. And they eat the steak and they get to the end. And it's like, there's nothing on that plate but gristle and fat. And then they still got to eat it. They still got to eat it. And they still got to ruin what's left of their meal. That's what it reminds me of, Casey. - I haven't seen that movie in years. It's one of my dad's favorites. I feel like I'm gonna have to watch that. So before I move on to the next topic and I know that there's not a solid answer on this. But right now, sitting where we are with knowing what they're doing with the playoff, they said they're not gonna expand it. They said it's gonna be 12 for right now. Do you, is 12 just the answer for right now? Do you think it's 14? Do you think it's 16? - I think there is no perfect answer. So 12 is as good as any. 16 is probably where we're headed eventually. I think we'll end up landing at 16 and that's a good solid number. It gets rid of the buy problem. The other problem that everybody had with this current iteration outside the timing is the fact that the buy teams are now one in seven, I believe in these games. So like 16 would solve the buy problem. Just let everybody play, let everybody play these same amount of games. That would fix that problem. But there is no perfect number. Some years like last year, we didn't have 12 deserving teams. This year we probably had 15. So if there's no, there's no perfect number. Don't get your head caught in perfect number. Find a number that's fair for the teams that are in it that year. And I think 16 is probably that answer where you don't have a buy week, where you accumulate more rust. And you know what, to be honest, if they fix a calendar, the buy week would be a little bit better 'cause the buy week means you gotta wait five weeks for play, four weeks to play. If you had everybody playing on two weeks or three weeks, that buy week's not as big a deal. But it reminds me. - Well, that's mine. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. - No, I'll save it. I'll save it. You got an ad to do an ad. - I do, I do. My answer to that is if they're gonna keep fucking up the calendar, don't add anymore teams because at this rate, if they wanna add more teams, we'll be playing and they'll fucking, yeah, like the Super Bowl will happen and they'll be like, well, wait a minute, we've got the semi-finals of the college for ball playoff coming. So that would be a disaster. Okay, so I talked about this before the break, or I get before we went on a little break of this show, but I cue bar and I'm Brandon, I'm showing you, if you're watching YouTube, I'm showing you this ultimate sampler. You know me, I love, when I get ahold of a product that I love, I can't stop talking about it, I can't stop using it. This is an empty box because I've just been ordering the regular product. So I cue bar is our snack and our coffee sponsor. And everything these days is all about protein and health and I cue bar protein bars and the I cue jo mushroom coffees are the delicious low sugar brain and body fuel that you need to win your day. I've been using them since I got this. They are incredible. It's non-jittery coffee. You can also just put it in your purse or your bag or whatever, bring it with you. You can just mix it with either hot water or cold water, but these protein bars, Brandon, unbelievable. They've got all the different samplers. They've got everything you could possibly want. All of them are clean label certified and entirely free of gluten. Dairy soy, GMOs, and artificial ingredients. If you get the ultimate sampler pack, you can try all the I cue bar products. You get nine I cue bars and four I cue jo sticks. I got a couple of the samplers decided what my favorite flavors were and now I've been ordering them, paying for them out of my own pocket 'cause I love them that much. And right now I cue bar is offering our special podcast listeners, 20% off all I cue bar products. Not just the sampler, but I would recommend the sampler if you just want to try. See what you like, including the ultimate sampler pack plus free shipping. To get that 20% off, all you have to do is text 64,000. Just text roughness. The 64,000 text. R-O-U-G-H-N-E-S-S to 64,000. That's roughness. Two 64,000 message and data rates can apply C terms for details. Brandon, as you know me for all these years, like eight years now, when I like something to eat, I'm gonna keep eating it and I cannot stop eating these protein bars. Hands up, hands up, won't stop. - Hands up, won't stop. Thank you, don't stop. - Thank you, don't stop. - Yeah, what you got? - You know, remember we used to be able to sing songs without getting in trouble on YouTube? - Yes. I think we used to have like full karaoke's on these episodes. We'd have full karaoke's. I was hanging with the fellas. So I was new boyfriend. My voice is so bad right now that I can't even, I can't even join you, but you know, I would guess if we, if we did, if we had like a memory on like, you know, on the, the phone or whatever could go back to what song do you think you and Brandon have sang together the most over the last eight years? It has to be that one. Yeah, and that's not even, that's not even a hit song by them. That's just like an album cut, right? Right. It makes me, it makes me ill by instinct makes me ill see you give. Okay, anyways, I can't, I don't want to fuck up my voice even more. Okay, so, so we're talking about the culture of all playoff. Yeah. The national championship game was awesome. It was awesome. It lost a lot of steam because of the calendar. It was good. And in it, if you and I were regular fans of just sports, it would have been a lot more devastating, but because we do this, now, I realize what I'm about to say, Brandon is going to sound assinine to the, the normal sports fan. Not a first time, but the people that are listening and watching, yeah, well, that's kind of my entire life. I just spew assinine shit all the time. Sure. Um, the NFL will always be king. Always, always, always. There's no doubt about that. We know that after the absolutely future, display of a Super Bowl the other day, which I said was the most non-super Bowl feeling, Super Bowl of all time. If you go look at the NFL's social media right now, whether it's Instagram, TikTok or whatever, the clips from the game are amassing like 100 to 200,000 views, where Bad Bunny is amassing 150 million views. So that, you know, obviously, what was popular? Is this the closest? Again, I know it's still a major gap, but is this the closest that college football in the NFL from a popularity standpoint can ever get? Is it feels like that to me, but I know I'm biased on a college football? Can't can never get no. I mean, I don't rule anything out in the future. I think college football's future is very, very bright. I think, I think you're, I think that's a good question. I do think you're asking the wrong question in this sense. Okay. Is it the closest it's ever been? No, no, no, no. The question I think that should be asking is, and I know, I try to answer that one because it's not a bad question. But NFL is number one, number one of the bullet, unassailable. It is far and away. The number one American sport is college football, firmly entrenched at number two now. Has it reached number two? Is it solidly number two? Is it, is it has it surpassed the NBA? Because certainly as far as word of mouth as far as, uh, you know, excitement about postseason, everything. I think it is at least caught the NBA. It's at least caught baseball. It's past hockey. Um, is it number two? Now maybe you people think about this and say, oh, you're crazy. MLB is number two. NBA is number two because NBA still does huge numbers as far as social following and all that. But is this the closest cost ball we'll ever get to pro football? I can't say that. Is this the closest it's ever been? I say no to that too, because I feel like college football in my lifetime peaked when you had the marketable stars of, and this is not to take a shot at Mendoza. Does not take a shot at guys with have recently, but those mid 2000s, you had Reggie Bush and Vince Young and a national title together with Matt Liner there too. Yeah, Tim Tebow coming. You had like mid 2000s, particularly that USC, uh, that USC Texas national title game. I think is the peak of American college football. And while ratings might be even higher back then Vince Young, Reggie Bush were global superstars, but before they ever played a national football league game. And I don't think Fernando Mendoza is. Is that fair to say? I think it's fair. And I, so I'm going to go back to your your amendment on my question. I thought college football is second for a while now. Yeah. And that's why I guess that's why I didn't even think is it second because to me, it has been. And again, I have to take my college football fan and my college football career brain off. It's like when I talk to people, you know, just on day to day that are big NBA fans, they say the same thing. I don't watch the regular season. I watch when the NBA playoffs come around. Yeah. Obviously the NHL playoffs are awesome. You love that. But as far as just the the viral miss, if that's even a word of the sports, I do feel like college football is the biggest it's ever been because all those things you just mentioned are true. The early 2000s and you look at those guys, the big key is there wasn't social media. If you had social media back when those guys were playing, I can't even imagine. But now with how easily digestible these sports are. And when you look at Fernando Mendoza, when you look at guys over the last few years, I think that that popularity has taken off to where if you were a college football fan in the early 2000s or even when I was in school, when Johnny was playing, you knew everything that was going on. Now you just are a sports fan. And you know exactly who Fernando Mendoza is. You're watching Indiana. You're doing those things. I don't believe it'll ever catch the NFL. But I think it's I think that it is is rising. And when you look at ratings, it has to be number two. So I'm going to read that I got one more take on that. A few years ago at bar stool, we had like say five years ago, six years ago. And LSU won a national title in the Alabama one national title than Georgia won a couple. We would have like all the highlights will go out on bar stool or whatever we'd have clips go. And then we would have co-workers from New York that don't really watch college football and be like, they'd be like, yeah, I checked in on college championship game. It's the same teams every time. It's just not it's a boring product. When I watch it is this and that. It doesn't grab me. That was it's a 2021-22. I don't feel like that happens anymore. I feel like the playoff and the legitimacy and I think it is now if it's not Super Bowl level, it is the second biggest thing towards Super Bowl level. And people don't do that shit anymore. They don't say that dumb shit as much they used to. All right. Well, it also helps that the game isn't a blowout. I mean, I know it has been in the past. But like having a good game helps that. But that's where whether you wanted the 12 team playoff or not, it makes it more fun for the regular sports fan to watch because it's an actual playoffs. It reminds me of the movie, The Great Outdoors with John Candy, where they go out riding horses and their their their riding horses down the path and Dan Ackroy and the whole family are on nice fast horses. And then John Candy is on this slow horse. It doesn't even want to walk because he's really fat. He ends up getting off the horse to try to try to make it be nicer and the horse runs off. And the horse that runs off as the NFL and John Candy eventually catches it. But it does take him a while and he's college football. Beautiful. Guys, if your hair isn't playing like it did in your 20s, by the way, if you like that bit or hate that bit, buckle up because guys, if your hair isn't playing like it in your 20s, it might be time for a real comeback. Not another workaround because throwing on a hat isn't a strategy. NutriFull supports healthier hair from within its position formulated clinically tested and recommended by dermatologists giving you a clear legitimate plan. So you can stop covering up, covering up and start showing up with confidence. NutriFull now offers hair growth supplements tailored to minute every age because the root causes of hair thinning change over time and your routines should too. NutriFull men for ages 18 to 49 to help improve hair growth and achieve thicker fuller hair in three to six months and new neutral men 50 plus the first and only hair growth product specifically formulated for men over the age of 50. NutriFull is number one dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement brand trusted by over one and a half million people start NutriFull today make the hat optional visit NutriFull.com and a promo code you are for $10 off your first month subscription and free shipping. Find out when NutriFull is the best selling hair growth supplement brand at NutriFull.com spelled in UT R-A-F-O-L.com promo code you are. That's NutriFull.com promo code you are. Brandon speaking of hair really quickly and before we get back to college football, I know you talked about it on the yak because I had to watch the yak today for your take on this. You know that the bald stool is happening right now. Yeah. Yeah. You've been saying for a long time you've been you've been ringing the mincey bell for a long time. I have known this man for however many years he's been working at bar stool. The photo of him today on that airplane, I audibly gasped. I still was so shocked and nothing shocks me with him anymore. How did that man not die on that airplane? Somebody like I would have killed him. I would have killed him. I Casey. In fact, it's so funny you're saying that. I literally just got a text from somebody. I don't even know the number. It sent me the tweet and said, this is it. This is the one that sent me off. This is the one that turned me and I said to him and I'll say to you, been telling everybody for years. I I've been beating the mincey drum mincey's a an asshole for years and years and years and nobody believe me. And finally you guys see what I've been saying. Listen, I've been I you know, mince and I have a good rapport. You know, he follows me around the office wants to talk about laying a lot. This one was this one was truly shocking because and I I'm by the way squarely on your side. I you said it on the act. I don't think you should ever recline your seat. I don't care. You paid for your seat. The amount of recline that you get does not come anywhere near to the amount of an asshole. It makes you like you're not reclining fully back. If you want to recline fully back, pay for an upgrade. And I also was on I I will pay whatever for an upgrade. If I if I know that it's going to be that comfortable like I say whatever within reason, been mince treating that like, you know, no free ads but treating that like jet blue mint or Delta one in coach with a co-worker is baffling to me. It's baffling. So it is. So it is. All right. What else you got for college football? Okay. So Fernando Mendozo. you we've talked about him a lot in this episode. So so now that the Super Bowl is over, you know, we're all going to turn our attention to the draft, turn our attention to who's going to be the number one overall pick. The Raiders have the number one overall pick. And Clint Kubiak, now I would like this on record that I don't think at any point, especially a new head coach getting in front of the media is ever going to like tip his cap and be like, this is what we're doing. You're not going to show you our hand. But there's a lot of discourse right now on social media because he made the comment when asking when been, you know, asked about who the number one pick is going to be. He said, he has to watch a lot of more film to be able to make that decision. And now everyone's out there, and oh my god, is he non-committal to Fernando Mendoza. So I love Colin Coward. He's a great guy. Watch the show today. And he said, he doubled down and he said, listen, I believe he should be the number one pick. But apparently now, there is a lot of talk inside circles that he's getting a lot of pushback that Fernando Mendoza should not be the number one overall pick that Indiana success this year was solely based on Kurt Signetti. And Colin said the last time he got this much pushback when he felt a certain type of way was Sam Donald. Now we see what Sam Donald just did. So obviously these things can come full circle. But my question to you, you and I both talk about Fernando Mendoza all year. Even before you believed in Indiana, you believed in Fernando Mendoza, is there a world that you could see Fernando Mendoza and maybe not going number one overall if somebody wants to take a non-corderback? Yeah. Is there a world at all where you see that that would he would should not be the number one quarterback taken off the board? No, he's number one pick. I don't care what the writers are saying. I don't care what Colin Coward is saying. Every single one coward agrees with you. By the way, he's saying every every single year, whoever has the number one pick. When asked by a reporter, a month or two in advance, by the way, they know they were picking him a month ago, too much go. Every time they're asked about the number one pick that is obvious, they're like, yeah, well, it could be anybody. And they're just fishing to see if there's a team in like two through eight, who is so quarterback needy, they'll make a Godfather offer to come up at to number one. They don't want to take the Godfather offer, but they want to see if they can get the Godfather offer. Somebody offered him three first round picks, three second round picks on a star. They're going to do it. And they're just slow playing. They're just saying, yeah, I know I have a royal flush here, but I might not even play it. They're going to play it. You never don't play it. He's going to in, and furthermore, this notion that it was, it was all signety and zero percent Mendoza. Well, signety was there last year, and they got their ass kicked twice against good teams. They upgraded a quarterback, all of a sudden they're kicking everybody's ass. That didn't just happen. That happened because he went out and got the right quarterback. Not to say Curtis wrote was a bad quarterback. He just wasn't going to be Ohio State Notre Dame. Mendoza did. And thirdly, what's the alternative? Number one pick. What's it going to be? Arville Reese is going to be. Is it going to be David Bayley is going to be Carnell Tate? Like who's going to be Spencer for now? These are all good players. These are all sunny styles. Ruben Bain, Jeremiah Love. None of them are going before the fucking best quarterback in the draft. And further, there's not another quarterback to be picked there. Dante more went back to school. Carson Beck's not going to be number one pick. Trinidad Chameless is trying to go back to school. Who would it be? It's the easiest number one pick we've had in the long time. Yeah. The only way he would not go number one is if somehow a team that already has a solid quarterback. Or if he killed somebody, if he killed somebody between now and then he's not going number one. What was it? What was it? The gas mask? What year was that? That was like the 16. Miami Tunzele. Yeah. Like you want to talk about melting down. Can you imagine? But you now, I mean, weeds legal in most parts of the country. But can you imagine if Fernando Mendoza just all of a sudden had like some like crazy skeletons in the closet come out? Like we would all melt down. But could you imagine if he did get caught with the gas mask and the lost Vegas Raiders of all teams were like, no, we're not picking him because of weed. Oh, come on. Vegas is the one team. Vegas and Denver and Seattle. They get all get away with it in New York. Well, I mean, I sat in the, you know, we sat in the studio after after the National Championship and did the recap podcast. And I said, I doubt I see Fernando, you know, spraying champagne all over 11 tonight. Liam was like, well, you might. We didn't even see that. The kid was just hand with a nice, just big smile and a, you know, beer. But yes, I agree. I, you know, it's again, it's the discourse that's around it, but the drugs, the drugs he offered me on Thursday were incredible. You would not have believed the amount of drugs that he offered me. Would you hallucinate? It reminds me of the John Candy movie, The Great Outdoors. All right, I'm done with that. Okay, fine, fine, fine. The Game Time app gives fans the advantage of constant innovation. It's how you unlock amazing tickets and experiences in just a few taps. It's so simple to use. The Game Time guarantee means you get 100% authentic tickets on time at the best price. No surprises. Fees are included in the price you see. What you see is what you pay period picking up, coming event on game time and talk about how easy it is. I sure will. Texts that should have been in black instead of red. So should have been red, so black, excuse me. So what I got right now, Indiana and Illinois basketball at the State Farms Center. Thank you, Lucky Blubman. You can get in for just $212 or one of the biggest big 10 basketball games of the year. That's going to be a huge one. Take the guesswork out of buying tickets. I'm actually going to the bucks game soon. My son's been wanting to go see the bucks play in Milwaukee. So game time will take care of that for me. No problem. Take the guesswork out of buying tickets to every type of event with game time. Download the game time app. Create an account. Use code rough for $20 or $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Again, create an account. Use code rough for $20 off. Download the game time app today. And I just like to show you it was in fact in red. I just wore it. I read it poorly. It's okay. That happened. Brandon, you know what? You know where I'm hoping that game time can send me to a playoff game that A&M actually scores a touchdown in that was see that was hateful for fucking what I'm at it. Can you imagine? You know, and that leads me into my next question. That leads me to my next question, by the way. Yeah. Sniffing the playoff. I can't stop listening to bad bunny Brandon. I've been speaking in Spanish. You know, my so my son, by the way, turns three yesterday, which it's crazy. No, he didn't. Yes, he did. You're lying. He did. Okay. He turns three yesterday wild. But my nanny, she only speaks Spanish. She came in the other day to help me get the, you know, the house ready for his birthday. And I was blaring bad bunny. And she just looked at me just like, well, what's going on here? I'm like, I think I'm Puerto Rican now. I love. You're Puerto Rican. So much. Oh, good for you. Yeah, I think so. I think I'm going to just start, I mean, I speak Spanish. Like I think I'm just going to like get, you know, like really lean into this. Like, you know, I've got, I don't have a Latina ass, but you know, maybe I can shake it a little bit. And I just, I'm going to go find bad bunny. That's why I'm going to marry bad bunny. Wow. Good for you. Well, good luck with that. That's now, that's now my new, my new thing. I, I've got my son dancing around to, to bad bunny music. I mean, he doesn't know if he's swearing or not. Well, I guess he probably doesn't speak Spanish, but it's either point game time. That and Cardi B, because Cardi B is, we're having, we're having a moment over here. So everybody needs goals, Casey. It's my, my off season goal is to marry bad bunny me and probably a 100 million other white girls in America right now. You know, it's, it's a, there's a lot going on. Okay. You mentioned tickets to an A&M playoff game. Now, this is kind of inside bar soul, but it's a bigger question. And again, I never watched the act not because I don't love you, but I normally doing other things. I had it on today. And you guys were talking about our friend Fisoli. Yeah. Now in this, in this world right now, if you're not familiar, basically Dave Hortonoi took all the Boston-based Patriots fans, the guys who grew up loving the Patriots, got them in a bus, a suite, the whole thing to the Super Bowl. They got to live out a dream that they would never get to live out without Dave. Dave being super rich. This is amazing. All these things. They're about the Patriots go and get their absolute dicks kicked in as we all saw. We have a guy named Fisoli who hours and hours and hours before the game was filmed crying before the game. Now other people in the company have made fun of that and said they think it's lame and weak and whatever. Brandon, my question to you is, you and I have been very blessed to go to, I mean, I would say hundreds, at least over 100 games of Mississippi State or A&M football over the years. That's our number one teams with a bullet. Yeah. I still get emotional when I go to an A&M game in person and see everything around me, especially when I went to the playoff game this year. Can you imagine if the first time you had ever seen Mississippi State play a real football game in person was at the national championship in a suite, you're telling me you wouldn't cry or be emotional over that? Why are we making fun of this kid? Well, I'll tell you why, Casey. I'll tell you why. Okay. And this is you need to wake up. You need to wake the fuck up. No, you do. And I'll tell you why, he was right to cry. I would cry in the situation, but we work at a company full of assholes. We are assholes ourselves. We are nothing if not ball busters of every single person that works here. If I go stand on the sideline and watch Mississippi State lose to Texas and over time, it becomes a running joke for a week where everybody gets their jolly's up because that's sometimes, sometimes you are the shit, and sometimes you eat shit. And even though he has a great back story, and even though he was right to cry, and even though it was emotional, and even though everything was correct, you still have to, you're still going to get your balls busted here at barstool sports. That's just what the company is. That's fine. I will. And you're 100% correct, especially old school barstool. And you know, I know Kevin saying, I hashtag not my barstool and all that. And I get that. I'm not taking away the entertainment value of that. But to the people online that are like, we're coddling a loser. We're coddling this. I just can't, like if you don't love sports, just come out and say it. And I actually was texting with Vasoli, and I was like, I know if I come out and defend you, which I have, it seemed like, well, you're a chick. Of course you cry. Girls cry over everything. Also true. But there is something that is so magical about your favorite team. I just can't, like, if I could take every single game away from Kyle Field. And I knew that I was watching them play in the national championship. I don't care. It's a neutral side. I'd be balling my eyes out. Let me stop you there. Fine. I want you to imagine the Jets made the Super Bowl. I want you to imagine Kevin Clancy. Kevin Clancy in a suite looking down at the Jets logo on the Super Bowl field. I want you to imagine tears falling down his eyes. I want you to imagine the Jets losing that Super Bowl. And I want you to tell me what Dave Portnoy and 15 to 20 others would have tweeted after that happened after the video of him crying came out. I, well, I know what would happen because I know this company. First of all, I don't think that he would cry. But that's, that's a whole different issue that we have here. I don't think that he would. I think that it doesn't, I'm taking the team out of it. I know people hate the Patriots and hate Patriots fans at Barcelona and get that. I'm just saying anybody who is saying, oh, well, you shouldn't be crying. Like that to me is what makes these like these events in the sport so cool. I mean, I'm taking it from a college football standpoint. I get that, but I just was sitting there and I was thinking I, I just, I, I mean, I literally teared up on the field at the A&M playoff game, standing there with my dad. Like, holy shit, we made it to a playoff game in my lifetime. That's crazy. I don't know. I feel for facility. I'm like, yeah, cry, cry king. It's sports. You should get emotional over sports. It's what we get the most emotional about. Like we're not rational people and we talk about sports. Yeah. Think about on this podcast over the last eight years, how many times you and I've gotten a fight over football. That's crazy. Yeah. Uh, you got another ad. I do. Bowen branch. Um, so obviously the off season is here. So we're all going to be hopefully resting a little bit more. And I love my Bowen branch sheets, Brandon. Uh, I know it's the season where you start getting sick. I am sick. Nothing better than to rest in your Bowen branch sheets. I'm also sick. I'm sick as a dog right now. But go ahead. You know, you take all the glory. No, I'm saying it is. It's your season to get sick. This is when everybody starts losing their voice and feels like shit for a little bit. And then we start complaining that college football is not here soon enough. The Bowen branch signature sheets are made with true care. If you add their coveted waffle bed blanket, it only deepens the unbelievable feeling of those sheets. Uh, the waffle blankets. One of my favorites. I have it on my couch. They also have pajamas, robes, uh, crib sheets, toddler bed sheets. They've got it all. Um, they're loved by millions of sleepers. And it drapes you in soft springy near weight, weightless warmth of the most coveted texture. Uh, it is still like negative 10 degrees, uh, in New York, but eventually it'll become spring. And then it'll become summer. These are the sheets that go with every season. They keep you warm when it's cold. They keep you cool. When it's hot. And if you want to discover the softness beyond your wildest dreams of Bowen branch, get 15% off your first order plus free shipping and returns at bowl and branch.com/ruff. Let's bowl and branch B-O-L-L-A-N-D branch.com/ruff take 15% off exclusions apply. All right. So as you mentioned, Brandon, this is the last thing where we go, um, in the past we've done your round podcast, uh, we are going to take a break until the summer. So by the time we come back on these airwaves, it'll be preview time, right? It's, it's preview time we're, we're buckling in. So before we go, Brandon, I have a way too soon rapid fire list. And I don't, I didn't want to send you the list because I want your off the cuff answers on February 11th way too soon. Yeah. In 2026, your way too soon national championship prediction is God off the cuff. It's supposed to be off the cuff. Yeah. Well, I'm just thinking, uh, I, I, I think Georgia gets back, uh, I think Georgia was young this year. I, I, I think I'm going to, I know I, I think I'm going to go, I want to go one, one big time, you know, one school that's there a lot and one off the cuff school because listen, over last few years, well, this year, I guess you had two off the cuff schools in Indiana, Miami, but like TCUs play for national title, Washington's play for national title. So give me the Georgia Bulldogs and the Texas Tech Red Raiders. Ooh. And that's, that's a team that keeps adding in the transfer portal. The one out and got a quarterback, um, you know, when they got to the playoff this year, they were outmatched on offense and I think they have fixed that, um, again, I think Ohio State's taking a step back Indiana's, Indiana's the, the, the question mark, do they just keep rolling? I, I, I hate to, I hate to rule them out, but I'll just for right now say Georgia and Texas Tech, even though God, I like Texas this year too. I'm going to say Georgia and Texas Tech, just that, that's off the top of my tongue. Okay. Your way, my voice is on its way out. Your way too early 2026 favorite storyline that you want to pay attention to. I think it might be Lane Kiffin, Lane Kiffin in, in, in the SEC with a better program. I think it's Lane Kiffin having done all he could at a program that just isn't that, that great historically. Now he's at a place with resources and he's placed with everything. He's going to have to go back to Oxford. He's going to have to play a lot. He's talked a big game and now he's going to have to play a lot of teams in the SEC that are already there. He went out and had the number one, the number, this year the storyline was, is he going to leave? Well, he did leave. Now's the story. The storyline is, all right. You're there. What are you going to do with it? I can't wait for the LSU Ole Miss game. I think that like that right now, if you're not circling that as a college football fan, like that's, that's by far going to be the most anticipated. And lastly, which I know you, you love to hate a little bit, you know, you're a little bit of a hater. Can I, can I, can I, can I amend that last answer? Sure. I think a better answer, now that I thought I'd think about it, is what does Indiana do now at their own top? Okay. Indiana went to the top of the sport in record fashion and as quick as possible. Now they are the hunted. Now they are the, the top of the mountain. I think Ohio State takes a step back. The big 10's going to look a little different on top and Indiana is absolutely there. What does Indiana do for an on-course? Probably storyline number one. All right. Continue. But you know what? The petty storyline is, is Lane Kiffon. The rational college football storyline is absolutely that. Okay. So the last one, Brandon, I know you love to beef with college football fans. Your 2026 way too early fan base, you are going to hate the most this season. That's a phenomenal question. Uh, right now it might be Indiana because no matter how many times I say I was wrong, no matter how many times I say cursing is the best coach in the country, no matter how many times I think that's an all-time great team, they will clip something from two years going to be like, yeah, but you didn't believe in us then, yeah, I still don't believe in your team as it was then, but I believe in them now. So anyway, Indiana, you know, I think it might be greatest hits. I, I think Oklahoma is one that, there's always there, South Carolina is always there. I'm trying to think of a new team that I'm going to clash with. I mean, you, you've covered a bunch over the years. I mean, you even got into it with my fan base. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm scared of the smoke with anybody. Um, trying to think of a team that has been down that will be up. It's just, it's probably just going to go the greatest hits, but right now, that's a good question. I don't have an answer for you. I got to think about that one. Well, stay tuned because you, you always, and I, I do the same thing. I mean, remember in like, what was it? 29. You really never know, though. Okay. You never know who it's going to be. You never know. Yeah. I mean, Florida state and I went back and forth forever. I don't even, I think it was like over like Kindle briles or something. Like, you know, these, that's what makes college football so great. Uh, lastly, before we get out of here, this episode is sponsored by better help. Um, you know, the off season, we get to, to slow down a little bit, uh, which gives us time to, to work on our mental health. But if you're out there and you're still grinding every single day and you don't feel like you have somebody to talk to, better help is the way to go, whether you're married, dating, single, the truth is most of us are still trying to figure out and find our way, whether you're dealing with work stress, whether you're dealing with just actual mental health issues, better help is the way to go. But does the initial matching work for you so you can focus on your therapy goals, a short questionnaire helps identify your needs and preferences and 12 plus years of experience in industry leading match fulfillment rate, uh, they get it right the first time. If they don't for some reason, they will match you with somebody else completely for free. Sign up and get 10% off at betterhelp.com/Smith. That's better help. H-E-L-P dot com slash Smith Brandon, as always, okay, not be okay. Yeah, it is. All right, uh, next time you see us will be in the summer, I will be many pounds lighter. KC will have, uh, have the tires rotated. So, uh, all that if they follow me on Instagram, they're going to know, they're going to know there will be signs. All right. Thank you, KC. Thank you, Lukey. Thank you Brandon. We'll be back in a few months. That's it. That's unnecessary reference. I'm Brandon Smile.