Brandon Herrera’s First Debate Goes Viral ft. Chris Barrett | Unsubscribe Podcast Ep 287

- I must have been 19, maybe when I do the Model 99. There's a couple of governments that use it. - They're f*cking nerd like Brandon. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - This is gonna be fun, man. - Young down for a cum, is that? I wanna go to war, yeah. - This is my mother f*cking shotgun, man. - This is not wiggle advice. - For all intents and purposes, the intent of the NFA is dead. - We're doing trunnion fix? - Girl, show me that trunnion. - These are the conversations of man who have never kissed a girl. ♪ Say hi to my life ♪ ♪ It's racially ambiguous and branding ♪ ♪ His hair is f*cking fabulous ♪ ♪ Don't know a dark joke disposition ♪ ♪ And there's a battle electrician ♪ ♪ Look at the unsubscribed ♪ - Oh yeah, and then we gotta hold this up. Oh Chris popped it here, you can pop this one for me. - Pop's in the one. - We'll do on the three, two, one. - I didn't know it was holding the pop. - Okay, everyone hold it up and then count it through. - It's like you've never watched an episode. - I was walking in cold. - Yeah. - Three, two, one. (slurps) - The life full. - Try that one. - That's the one, I was gonna drink that one. Cody started it off. - Hi everyone, welcome to the unsubscribe podcast. I'm joined today by Eli DoubleTap, Chris Barrett, Brandon Herrera, myself Donald Operator. Thank you so much for being here. - What's up, bloke, who we got today? Mr. Chris's in town. - We were supposed to do this what months ago, and then-- - Get a lame excuse. - Yeah. - And lame. - I'm gonna serve you. - I don't wanna die. - I had to make some modifications. - All right, we got this guy Chris here. Chris, why are you here? - I mean, roped in by this guy, I think. - Yeah, no, I texted you. - I'm just walking in cold. - Yeah, 'cause I thought you'd be a great guest for the podcast, 'cause we've hung out before a handful of times and you just, you know, you're a fun guy, you got a cool story, and I figured you'd be a great fit for these assholes. - They're autistic as shit, so they're gonna enjoy. They're like, "Oh, come stuff, okay." - That I can talk about, yes. - Dude, give a quick background on yourself. Let the people know that maybe don't know who you are or how you are inside this industry. - Yeah, inside the gun industry, I was born into it. You know, my father is Ronnie Barrett, who invented the Barrett rifle, the Model 82A1, that eventually became the US rifle M107. And I guess our short story is that my father was the only living firearms designer to have a rifle adopted by the US military. - Really? - When his rifle became M107, he was the only one. You know, a not committee designed rifle, like he would be like John Grant or Sam Colter, one of these guys. And it's a big deal to have a rifle officially adopted by the US military and get a tight class designation. And so he was the only one until in 2022, a rifle I designed was also adopted by the US military through SOCOM. So my rifle, the MRA had became the Mark 22. It's a mark because it came in through the Navy. Dad's as an M because it came in through the Army. And so he and I are like the only two rifle designers, firearms designers have rifles adopted by the US military. And it's a cool legacy. - That was our big hit, you know. - I saw the MRA had in a movie the other day. - It was that Chris Hemsworth movie. I watched it on fucking Netflix or whatever the fuck it was. But I saw that the MRA had got quite a lot of it. - Oh really? - Yeah. - I've got to see this one. - Which one's the MRA? - It's the multi-role adaptive design. Glad you asked it. So it's the modular long range precision rifle that goes from like 338 lupua magnam down to smaller calibers. And apparently to anything else we want that's coming out. So and it's not been adopted up to the MRA ELR, which is a 416 Barrett capable platform that we're shooting stuff at 4,000 yards with. - And it's a show and image. - Yeah, that's the bolt action right there. - The Mark Cool. So the MRA is the commercial name of the product and then, you know, Socom called it Mark 22. - I never knew that. That's why the MK came from the Navy side. That makes sense because the MK, like the-- - Navy Marines, Socom MK. - No shit. - Army Air Force is an M. So M4, just to you see, I just-- - Just learning something new today. - Yeah, same dude. - No idea. - Yeah. So if it comes in through like Crane or the Navy, it's going to be a Mark, like a Martinine. - Oh. - Yeah. So it's funny, right? But then they can buy, you know, the military-wide can buy off of either of those contracts. So-- - How did it, was it going into, as you're saying, like you and your dad, which is amazing. Both of you are the first individuals to be like, soul individuals like, hey, we're buying this through you. And then it's a father-son team on top of that. The 50-cal system will got you into that specifically and your pops into it. - Yeah. Yeah, this is, it's fun to tell that story. And he's got, he's got the way he tells it. I've got the way I tell it. But I mean, they're all the same story. But it's cool because it's interesting to people who aren't even into guns because it's a real American story. You know, it's a real like, it's a real American dream success story. And it's just a guy, America loves an underdog, you know? And my dad should not have been able to do this. He was a professional photographer that people thought is he an engineer? No, you know, he and I both barely graduated high school and he'll tell that to, you know, so we were not engineers. We were not in the military. There was no military requirement for a gun, a rifle, like the bear rifle. And nobody was asking for it. Nobody was asking for it. You know, and I saw Henry Ford quote of the day. He said, if I had to ask people what they want, they would have said a faster horse. And so sometimes, you know, a thought leader, somebody's got a shape where you're going with technology. Because the people would just ask for something that takes the form of something else they're already familiar with. So dad really broke out of the box on that one that there was no requirement for. And in fact, people laughed at that day. I was like, you're gonna shoot a 50 BMG from your shoulder. Because before that, everyone only knew it for the M2. You know, we're talking about a 75 pound crew-served weapon that shakes the earth when it goes off. And if you just saw that thing for the first time, that machine gun, and he said, yeah, I'm gonna shoot that same cartridge from your shoulder. And not just shooting it from the shoulder, but like, not just like a single shot or a bolt-action rifle. Like, nah, I'm gonna make it semi-auto too. Yeah. Like that's, that was a wild jump. Like, a bolt-action is a single shot. Like that's a logical, like you could do that with just about fucking anything. But to make it-- The biggest joke for me is, I wanna make guns. Yeah, right. Well, you know, the fun-- I'm sympathetic. A fun part about that story is, I think my dad was like 28. You know shit, and I did some stuff really young too. We'll get into that. But it was like, apparently when you're that age, you do not know or don't believe what's possible. And you just do things that someone else has kind of been already beat down. But how I wouldn't do, 'cause it seems too unbelievable. But a kid can do some crazy stuff if you have tenacity and stick to it. So he did that. And you're right, it made it semi-automatic. Which is part of the magic of why the thing works also. If you've ever sought, you know, I know you've been around all this. If you shoot a 50 caliber bolt action that kind of hurt. Yeah. You know, the recoil is a system of the 82a1. It's part of the magic. Yeah. Yeah, I've got a couple. No, I'm a bit of a fan. Did he have like type of an engineering background? Absolutely not. No, he just-- I had the engineering mindset though to be like, "Ah, I can fucking do this." Correct, my dad is a creative guy. You know, he's a snazzy dresser. He was a photographer. He's just a creative guy. He can draw, you know, he's a good sketch artist. And I kind of got that and so did my sister. But the only background my family even had in this at all, people like, did your grandfather start this? No, my grandfather was a cabinet maker. So in our hometown, my grandfather and his four sons, my dad was one of four, made like all the cabinets when all the houses in the 1960s and '70s and all this stuff. So when my dad, you know, I saw some of his early drawings, which he still has, designing some of these parts. And it's like drawing an isometric view with like seven and three-quarter inches. Like, you would make a cabinet door. And people had a teaching and was like, "Hey, we don't talk in fractions of an inch. We talk in, you know, decimal points and this level." But he just took it that way and got it done. And kind of learn from people all the way on machining techniques and it's an improbable story. So that's why, so like in my very early on, you know, trying to develop like AK-50 stuff, like your dad's story was like just such an inspiration. Because it was just like, because what he did with the Barrett, with the M82 was something that was usually reserved for multi-billion dollar corporations or world governments or things like that. A dude in his garage in Tennessee was not doing shit like that. And for him to be able to do that, not only just succeed in making a gun that didn't explode and actually worked quite well to being adopted by the military, just as again, a photographer in a garage with no engineering background, things like that. That was a big inspiration to me 'cause it showed me that it was possible. Multiple militaries. So like the Germans use a Barrett rifle and it's called Gewehr 82. Can you imagine the Germans using a rifle that's made by people at Tennessee? It started in a garage. - It started in Australia. - Australia is a two, it's a great. - Australia is, and I can't remember how many countries it's in and so on. - I can't dude, wrapping my head around again, this is before the age of information. Your dad is reading books to learn this and weaning it and going from a photographer to that is wild. - I just put it there, there was no chat BBT. - Yeah, chat BBT. - I just realized too that this was before like fuck AI. This is before a solid works. - Oh yeah. - Like CAD. - Yeah, this is the inner thing. - Yeah, I brought CAD to the company and converted our pencil drawings into models where I found out, you know, everything before all, you know, but in a way, maybe some of the information might have been more pure. We had Colonel George Chan's books, the machine. kind, you know, like all these volumes and it's like, just unbelievable. Stuff that people come up with now, like, look at this new operating system for rivals like, oh yeah, 1934. Yeah. If you turn to page 147 section B, it's in there. So it's, yeah, there was some good peer information, but yeah, not as easy to get. Oh, you're fucking nerd like Brandon. Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is going to be fun. Yeah. Well, because that's, that's one of my favorite periods of weapon design in general is because nowadays, you know, people have kind of refined and dialed in. It's kind of like every car looks like a fucking oval now. It is. It's like, we kind of figured out what works. But back in the early days, man, like the early 20th century, we didn't know what the fuck we were doing. There was like 8,000 different ways to skin this cat and people tried everything. Have you ever been to re-night's museum in Florida? I've heard about it several times. Oh, I mean, I really want to like, like, night's arm, yeah, Kevin, the literally the first time Kevin's on a podcast, he showed up hung over and he was like, sorry, I was there the day before we had some, we had a couple of drinks. We were driving. What is it? I think they were driving Ferraris around the tanks or something like that. I had that experience also. Yeah. Almost now took one off road. No shit. Yeah. Not on purpose. The tank of the Ferrari of McLaren. Oh, yeah. Right off from me. Yeah, buddy. It would have been a amazing news article with me and re-night. Two firearms guys dead one day. That's always the joke is a donut operator and five others. But that museum to your point about, you know, the stuff he has there shows like, well, here's 10 different ways these people were competing for this army contract. And like, each one of them had a different little mechanism outstrap and it's cool. We don't do that anymore. Yeah. It's everything's very safe and very sanitized. And very again, like you were mentioning earlier, committee driven. We're back then it was just like, you were an autistic German guy who's just like, fuck it. I think this will probably work. Got working on the lathe and you made one. It's like that. The operating systems back in the day were just so fucking neat. It did they work better than what we have now. No, not really. But it's different and it's neat. What the process of going through? Because it's the books. How did you find those books to get that started? And jumping from photography to that. Yeah. You couldn't even jump on Amazon and order this book. Exactly. It's like, and then, okay, I'm building this network. You still can't. That's true. Yeah. That is true. Yeah. Like legitimately, some of the best resources for stuff like this is you have to have like an eBay saved search to see if some dude in fucking, you know, check a Savakia, you know, Chechia is going to is going to list it for sale for $800 for a book. Like seriously. Yeah. But that's what's crazy. And having that in that time frame. And then also, oh, who do I even talk to to get this contract going or conversations started? It's not the internet. You're just cold calling people. That entire process is wild to me because you are in the age of zero information. You're just calling it. It was not. It was 1982. So we were just kind of, you know, I was a baby. But, you know, dad bootstrapped this thing to gun shows. I think, man, I hope I tell this right. I think one of the first ones ever went to was the Houston gun show with like a looped VHS tape to make it look like this thing ran. Yeah. You know, it's a really, really one round of like looping it on VHS hell. Yeah. Yeah. And then you take pre order. That's what he did. I mean, he tells it in his story. He took pre orders for the things. Didn't know what he was doing. And it didn't work out the first few iterations, you know? And yeah, I get it like losing money, you know, trying to make this thing and just sticking with it until finally, again, there was no military requirement for this thing. And then a military solid use for it. And it was not the US. It was Sweden. Exposed of Ornus disposal. Yeah. Was the first building of the rifle. And it was just an air force. The US Air Force used it for EOD. And then I think, I think kind of the ranger started seeing it. What is this huge gun you guys have? Because they weren't shooting people with it. It was a tool. It was for the 50 round, right. The 50. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, just blown up bombs. Yeah. They call it smudding. They call it smudding when you, uh, you disable or you, um, damage, uh, unisported ordinance from a distance. That's not what I think of with smudding. I don't know. Does it have some dirty, I don't know. There's a very smudding. Oh, I guarantee it. It's a very smudgy. Yeah. If you're checking out smut, look it up burning. I think it's a new D. I believe. I don't know what it's like. I remember something googling smut. Well, it's crazy. Like my military time. It was always the running joke. The 50 cal. It's not a anti-person. It's an anti-material weapon and you're shooting at the person's chest plane. It's shooting at their weapon. You're not aiming at the person. You're aiming at their weapon. I mean, it's a, it's, man, there's so much relevance to this, this now that it's the kind of freedom that we have in the United States to innovate and do something that people don't know they need that ends up being used by our war fighters. And like what's happened this last week with just taking the shackles off sound suppressors and short barrel rifles. Oh, my God. Yeah. Wait and see what's going to happen now. So apparently smutting is kissing or heavy making out with touching. There's also three down guns smutting looking at guns and ammo to the point of having a sexual pleasure. This is with a D now. That's why it's whisky. Oh, okay. Also a smud. I see October hits different. The season shifts. The light changes and your whole rhythm changes with it. Your alarm goes off. You wake up and it's still dark outside. What the heck? Unless you're blind. In that case, it's normal. We all know the struggles of navigating that seasonal shift. 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I think I went in there on, was it was Saturday and there's like piranhas around the suppressor case. What do you got? What kind of guy and can I put the suppressor on? People were just buying suppressors that had never wanted to before. They were all gone by noon. We sold everything we had. It'll be interesting to see what happens. It should be a period of great innovation because when you take the breaks off these things, it's cool stuff that's going to happen. A lot of the guys that were doing 3D print stuff, a lot of those guys who were just testing stuff out. Now, those guys have always been a little fast and loose anyway. Now, there's really no restriction. They can openly talk about their data and just make shit in their garage with no licensing, no nothing, and just share that with the world. You guys are talking about what changed with the NFA. We're explaining. Tell people, because again, I didn't know this until last week. I thought it was still that weird roll in between until a few days ago. There was a period of uncertainty there for a minute. Before to obtain a sound suppressor as a civilian or a short belt rifle or a short belt shot gun, you would go to a store, identify the item you want, and then you would fill out a form that goes to the ATF and you send $200 and then you wait. It used to be forever. Nine months a year and a tax stamp would come back. This would be your approval. You could go back to the store where you bought the suppressor almost a year ago and say, "Okay, I can take possession of it now." By that time, two other iterations of the thing you bought if you come out by now. Now, you can just walk in and you can identify a suppressor you want and you go by it just like a firearm. You fill out your background check and your intent to see it's an insta check, which takes about 10 minutes. Then you walk out with your item. It's like, "I don't have to wait a year for this anymore. I don't have to pay $200." You walk in, you pay for it, you walk out, which is fucking awesome. The suppressor's called crime. Clearly. They're the dangerous part of the dangerous one. And then just for reference, Brandon, it was the first one to be part of this. You and this. First up, and state rep, I do want to get flowers, state rep, Westford Dell, HD53. We were the first two individuals and we did that with a silencer shop, Gun Owners of America, ENT, Science or Co, everybody like flowers, where it's due, they were f***ing rotten. stars, but yeah, we were the first transfers in over 92 years without a tax stamp legally. There's a lot of people, you know, what happens between a man and his garage and the drill presses between him and God, but the legal one, this was the first legal one in 92 years without a tax stamp, which is fucking awesome. There's probably a lot of stuff in unbury now, a lot of PVC tubes in backyard. Oh, I think it's just voting accident, recovery, surgery, history, it was fantastic. Can I saw down a shotgun barrel now? Yeah. What about vertical groups? Yep. So SBRs are all that dumb stuff you can just go by, oh my gosh, SBRs, short braille shotguns and this gets left out a lot, AOWs. AOWs. Wait, do we have to worry about like state rulings on those things? Yes, there are 15 states that's actually a good clarification. Good job, Cody. Thank you. It's going out there and be like, yeah, this is my motherfucking shotgun. This is not what you go to. There's weird states like Alaska, North Dakota, you know, Washington, Oregon, Alaska's in there. Fucking, I don't, I don't know, man. That's the weird. Sorry, I figured that would be open season. Wow. Yeah. You would think so, but they, well, they just have restrictions that were preexisting, basically, the state law says that you have to have a, an NFA tax stamp to own those items. Basically, they were just, it was state law reinforcing federal law. And now that there is no federal law, there's 15 states that still have that in existence, like Georgia's one of them, North Carolina's one of them, Colorado, I think Nevada. There's a couple of red states that I think really you have shot. There's like three or four states that I think can just be like, take it off. All right. It's so cycle, but just real quick for the audience, we were talking about like, you can have the spread. You can solve down barrels. It is Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, and Washington. That's some of those really catch me off. Right. This is for what? The list is on. I forgot what the question is. You still need NFA. Due to state tied things. Oh, like a lot of these. That's crazy. Here would be the exact opposite. They'd just be like, yo, have a good time Alaska, Montana. I think Alaska, Montana, Georgia, they all have a shot at removing that. Yeah. Mississippi is fucking, that's a weird one. Yeah. My Montana is the weirdest one in my opinion. On that list, I'm like, Montana, you figure it, but that is the good old boy state we've been there. Yeah. It's very, very Western. Well, at least it was before Yellowstone, now there's a bunch of hippies moving over. Yeah. SBR. I'm going to go buy it. I didn't realize it was part of the SBR. I'm going to just, I already have, I've done God knows how many. Like stamps on all that shit, the money that we spent on suppressors and tax stamps. You did? So T. So for as a dealer, it's just free like we just put in the, you know, put it in paperwork. I didn't see a picture though from a gun store today, where it was just like their, like rifle accessories or whatever and like everything was fully stocked except the, like magpull stocks where like the shelf was empty and the caption was visual storytelling. How was that like coming from your side of actually seeing that go through I, I was, I was telling some kids, I'm my kids the other day, I was like, you guys don't know what it was like. You know, 15 miles up hill with ways. 200, 200 dollars and 16 months waiting, y'all never understand. I actually had that talk. I sort of sounded like the 94 crown bells, like guys, who was just saying Bill Clinton was the president. The 94 crown bell. Do you remember, do you, you're not old enough to even remember this? I don't know. No, but I, I do know like the, the crime bill and the, well, the assault weapons band like the 10 year fan band, the feeling of like, I can't believe we're here because the feeling of being 1998, 99, 2000, whatever. And you buy a Glock 19 and it comes with a 10 round magazine and you go to the gun show with your buddies. My buddies and I did, you go to the gun show and you go through tubs of magazines and you find this beat up Glock 19 magazine that holds 15 rounds. It was made before 94 piece of, you know, it's like, it was like for all down a hill. It's $150. And you buy one. So you have one 15 round magazine to carry in your Glock and the AR is, I, I'm telling my son this with like horror in his eyes, my, we couldn't have a collapsible stock. You know, the model wasn't thread in. That's really what it was like. My story is to tell her on the campfire. Yeah. Scary. The lights facing up. It's a big stock. The, the, the said we couldn't own cool. Yeah. My first AR, I think, I think about like an R my AR 15 had a thick stay two butt stock with a bare muzzle and it came with a 10 round magazine. It's so stupid. And you would never think from there fast forward to 2026, we're shooting unregistered suppressors with force reset triggers. We have much. We have suppress machine guns. Holy. Yeah. The F R T. I mean, that is the most wild thing. And I have the ATF director defending F R T's in front of a congressional field hearing is fucking bananas. Well, we need to, we need to stop and be thankful for it. Yes. Because it's wild. And like some people, these kids ain't going to know they're not going to know is, this is the golden age for this stuff. Yeah. Because I mean, before like, because people get mad at me for saying I'm like, the NFA is effectively dead. Yeah. Like we're not done fighting. There's a lot of shit that needs to be done. We need to, you know, make sure we fix things in those 15 states. Ideally, we codify this through legislation, whatnot. But really like the DOJ had their chance to appeal, Trump shot that down. White House level said, no, we're not going to do it. We now have, I mean, you can, you can get SBRs, short barrel rifle, short barrel shotgun suppressors, all that without tax stand and with F R T's being legal effectively. Like for all intents and purposes, the intent of the, the NFA is dead. Yeah. Yeah. I, the dark, I, the dark, I hate to think about why there wasn't this happen now. But it's because that's not how we're controlled anymore. We're, you know, I'm not going to, I don't know what kind of podcast this is. I go for a day and this is, you have a microphone, my friend, I better, I better be quiet. I'm not, I'm not drinking any alcohol for the record, so we're being completely sober. Not a living by a part of us. Well, that just tells you, like folks at the top aren't worried about that anymore. They're not worried about us having little gold guns. I don't know. I, I feel like there's, as somebody who's been on the inside of that now, there's people like that, there are directly responsible for this, like Congressman that are directly responsible. Like Congressman Andrew Clyde from Georgia, like he's, he's fantastic and like they were the ones who fought tooth and nail to get this through because they knew that it would lead to a court battle that would end up here. So it's like, this wasn't just like our puppet master saying like, oh, that's okay now, but it was like, it was the work of like some hardworking true patriots really that I cannot give enough credit to. They really did fuck and get this done like this is, I, in my opinion, my humble opinion, this is the biggest gun rights win of our life then. Oh, for sure. Yeah. I think that's, man, that's going to stand for a while again. The last one lasted, how long? Well, the 92 years. Oh, yeah, that, I was telling the eight of me, like, oh, yeah, that was 10 years. I couldn't believe when that sunset 2004, yeah, because I think that was, so there was Clinton's band, but then Bush campaigned on saying that he was going to let it sunset. He was not going to renew it because it was like a 10 year period. Yeah. He campaigned saying that he was not going to renew it and sure enough, it lapsed. Was it 2003? 2004? I think it was 2004. Yeah, because it was 94 to 2004 and man, I mean, I remember that feeling, those $150 magazines became 20 bucks. And especially the 150 days in 2004 or like in $2,150 magazines, a wild expense. Yeah. Oh, fuck. I didn't think about that. I only had one. You had one that you carried. And when you went to the Ryan's, you shot your 10 round magazines. It was so crazy. So one thing that Clinton did do, I think, I think it was Clinton, the Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act, where law enforcement officers, as long as you're a cop, you can carry wherever you want to, which, yeah, what you was that to, that was, are you a big Clinton fan then? What, what are you, I thought that was, I thought that was pretty cool when I was a cop, to be able to like carry wherever I wanted to. He was just on the island for the jet ski. Yeah. What are some of these other cops really were brought up? Lee, Liosa. Chris Trues vibes today. Codia of buttons is Clinton. He's like, I'm not a cop. He's like, I was just trying to pay a compliment. It was cool to carry a gun because I was trained to carry a gun, but whatever. Yeah, because that one's even, that's helpful for Rich, even in New York, because he can't have any gun out there other than, oh, no, law enforcement. Liosa was 2004. That was Bush. That was Bush? Okay. It says I was HR or 218, a United States federal law enacted in 2004 that allows qualified active and retired law enforcement officers to carry a concealed firearm in any state or US territory. Liosa was Bush. Yeah. Oh, fuck me. All right. I take back everything. There we go. Bill Clinton is a ****. Yeah. The therapist. I still get, I still wonder if that's, if I get Liosa privileges. Oh, yeah. You're. I don't think it's one of those. Oh, very nice. Special. Well, that sheriff is in jail now, though, so, yeah, that's always good. Well, it's still an edge, dude. Yeah, dude. Yeah. I wonder where that is. I need to find that. I was always afraid to, you know, you got a, it's pretty ballsy to whip that out. Yeah. You might have, you might have a real cop tell you what's up. Yeah. I was going to say, I want to get you a special veteran, special deputy, special veteran. No. No. No. No. You try to whip it out there. Special veteran. It's on. This video is brought to you by Rich Wallet, okay? They're not just selling wallets anymore. They're selling luggage, they're selling cards, it helped track you, they're selling key organizers, and their newest product, cordless power bags. Okay, it's got MagSafe, so it'll magnet right to the back of your phone. It's got a little kickstand, so that while you're charging your phone, you can still watch your shows. And then it's got both cords, whether you're rocking the lightning cable or the USB-C. I don't know why you'd still be rocking a lightning cable in 2026, but it's there in case you need it. Okay, they're available pretty much fucking everywhere. 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Like that night, I drove back to my house, and I just, I watched the debate for the first time. Like, you know, not in the moment, not fucking, you know, overworked in my brain, but just seeing the memes people were putting up on Twitter was, it was entertaining. There was some people that were stoking the flames of that, I think. - No, no, it's like, yeah, we watched it live on stream, and like, you watched it live that night? - Yeah, we all did. - Oh, shit, I didn't know. - I was a little bit occupied at the time. - Why? - No, I don't think so. So I streamed it. And I'm looking at the YouTube stream because they did the first 30 minutes where you guys talked on the local news channel. - Yeah. - And then they did the last 30 minutes online. And they're like, we're taking questions from online. And I start seeing habitual line crosser and angry cops. And then my chat was jumping into it because I was streaming into it. And that poor girl, I can't remember her name. - Hey, Jordan, was her name, I think something like that. I don't remember. - We're taking questions, look, she's gonna cry. She's like, we're taking questions from chat. And the whole chat was just like, how many cookies is she fucking eating? - It was the chat was brutal. - It was nasty. - So that was the funny part. I can tell this part now too. So I've always tried to be nothing but polite to stout, right? The two times we met, I found out she lied to a journalist that we never met. Two times we went in person. Like I tried to go up and shake her hand both times. Both times she had somebody intercept to make sure like she doesn't want to talk to me, doesn't want to shake my hand. We walked into that studio. The first thing I do is I shake her husband's hand. Just being polite, like I'm really genuinely, just trying to be a nice guy. Shake her husband's hand, shake her hand. And I'm just joking around with some of the staff. We're awkwardly standing there for eight minutes before this goes live, like sitting there in the studio. And I'm fucking around with the anchors, like the moderators, like I think I want to say her name's Jordan, I'm sorry if I'm fucking that up. But she was talking about some of the questions she was getting in chat. She's like, okay, then this is a real debate. I want to hear everybody's answer on this. Meaningful questions such as when you're putting on your shoes, is it sock sock shoe shoe or sock shoe sock shoe? Real questions, the real, and we were just (beep) around. I'm just like, oh yeah, no, I feel like you have to be sock sock shoe shoe. You know, like we're bantering whatever. And somebody's like, oh well, I'm not a sock shoe kind of girl. Like is everything okay at home? Like are you okay? Do you need help? We're fucking around. And she just like could not be to engage with anybody that wasn't her DC handler. It was, I even tried to joke with her directly just to try to break the tension. She just kind of goes, yeah, it's just being an unpleasant person. Well, I think none of the people like in my chat or even me personally would have been, yeah, we say some rude jokes here and there, but we wouldn't have done that if she wouldn't have called you a fucking Nazi or tried to attack your personal character. Which that everyone kind of took that. That killed her for, in my opinion, it's what separated you as you stayed on focus. You actually were offering solutions. It was, hey, here's the problem, here's the solution. And then very rarely did you even go after her character? You didn't care about me. It's like, yeah, you didn't go after her character. It's like her policies is what you went after. And that showed the difference and then the professionalism because you were like, oh, here it is. I will say my favorite part that got me and I just want to read it is, after he made millions of dollars after making jokes online, making fun of Nazis and making fun of veterans' pride, Brandon, what's your response, Brandon goes, here, I thought it was a bad thing to, here I go. I thought it was a good thing to make fun of Nazis. Dude. And like the moderators laughed and she laughed. You could see it in the video, she laughed instinctively and then like, mm, like buttoned back up. She's like, dammit. Like, and then she tried to, I miss speak. I miss speak. Dude, she instantly like, I didn't realize how much she fumbled over her words until I rewatched. Maybe you were in too nice of a divater. You should have gone trump on her a little bit. Well, he was a masturbator, but a master. I am a master divater. Well, she brought up the hating veterans thing, like, I think it was three times. Well, after every topping, AI data centers, he hates veterans. Yeah. And then she, well, she has so many unforced errors too. Well, what she was trying to, like in the data center thing, she's randomly attacked nuclear energy and I'm like, you couldn't have water boarded that out of me, but all right, nobody brought that up. But if you fuck it, all right. But what she wanted to happen, what she wanted, she's been painting me their entire campaign. She's been slandering me left and right, trying to paint me as the extremist, radical, angry, evil, mean man. Go stepping. Go stepping. What she kept trying to get me to take the bait, and I never did. Nope. She kept trying to get me to engage on that, and I just stuck to the issues. She didn't have any policy. The moderators are actually very good about asking specific questions about, what specific federal policy would you like to see implemented to solve X problem? And she never named a single one. At no point during that debate, does she actually answer a fucking question? No, it's, it was, when you pointed it out, she takes a donor money from data centers, and then her immediate response was like, he can't even name him. Like, that your response is not like I don't take some money. Did you see the video I did? Yeah, dude, that like, I didn't see it. Wait, you did a video on that? Yeah. No, I want to see that. I'll put it on screen. Well, I think it's interesting that my opponent is fighting apparently now for the regulation of data centers while she's funded by an organization that wants unrestricted construction of data centers in West Texas. Saying, I am, but-- That's the opponent? Yeah. You should have definitely gone tromp. You can't name. [MUSIC PLAYING] Which you cannot name-- With the receipts. [MUSIC PLAYING] Dude, say, which you cannot name. Not saying, like, no, I didn't. You can't even name him, though. I think I said, bring it up. Sure, shit can. Turns out, the FEC reports are public. But a brand and just like a big shout out to you is how professional you handle that. And you were so well-spoken. It caught, I think, a lot of people off guard, too, because they were expecting YouTube brand and-- Yeah, dumb, dumb, poo-poo joke here, Nazi, blah, blah, blah. It's like we didn't get here on accident. Oh, wild. And then to attack veteran was wild to even go down that lane when you had the opportunity to just go, hey, and you did. It's like, we've donated millions of dollars to veteran nonprofits to help aid veterans because of the issues that are at hand. And then nothing from the other side. I'm glad we got the opportunity to shout out our boys, Kalazo, and just the boys at Nashville Metro PD, just talking about their response to their school shooting and just how great of a job that they did. Actually, identifying and just pushing forward and ending a threat, like ACE's-- ACE's-- job there. So I need to text him. I don't even know if he knows that that happened. Like what? You have to watch it. You can find-- we'll send you links because it is the debate. I mean, you just see an egg glimpse of it. It is fucking-- Well, what drove me crazy? We were watching it live on my stream. It's just like, he's just another millionaire. And I told my chat, I'm sitting there thinking, I'm like the first time that I met Brandon Herrera. He came down to Fort Mills, South Carolina to hang out with me. And he didn't say it at the time. But I bought him a barbecue-- we went to my favorite barbecue joint. Now I bought him a sandwich. Oh, no, actually, no. You didn't buy me a sandwich. I said I wasn't hungry. If you were-- OK, so you had a barbecue sandwich. I'm like, oh, no, I just ate. But I bought him fucking food there. And the reason I didn't know this until later on is because you couldn't afford your own sandwich while we were there. No, I was so fucking broke. I was driving back from a work event. And I had just filled up my truck with gas. And it was just everything I could do to get home. And I just filled up my tank. And I had $4 left to my debit account. To my debit card account. Like, I had nothing left. So that was when we first started hanging out. I was brokered in a fucking joke. And now it's like, I'm not-- I feel like I've done fairly well for myself. And I've re-invested that back in the fucking country. I've got 700 grand of my own money in this race. I'm putting my own money where my mouth is, because this country's done fucking amazing things for me. It's given me amazing opportunities. It didn't give me the success, but it gave me the tools and the opportunity to succeed for myself. And I want to preserve that for my kids, my grandkids, and just keep this country, what makes this country great? I want to preserve. And I didn't mean to turn this into a fucking campaign pitch, but for fuck's sake. I was just, I don't even look at that as a campaign pitch. You're just trying to speak good of America, which needs to happen way more. And you crushed it. And we can't, again, I loved watching that. It looked like an individual that's running for Congress versus an individual running for their middle school. Yeah. Class president is what she came off as is like, I'm going to get snacks for free pizza for Friday. Like what the fuck? Oh, that really happened. Oh, she's basically like that. Yeah. The, I don't know. Well, the thing that drives me crazy too is she kept using the, that was a bizarre line of attack. But he's a millionaire. Like, okay, that's actually, that's a good thing. Like I was, but she, she'll talk about her dad's success story about it. And so it's a great story too. Like it really is. Like he's, you know, her father was like a, like a field worker who worked his way up to become an attorney, right? But then like he, he is the American success story. That's awesome. But then I have the same story and she'll show on me for it. Can you believe he's a millionaire? It's like, okay, well, all I heard out of that comparison was that I, where you were born, the daughter of an attorney. And I was born the son of a fast food worker and achieved a, you know, multimillion dollar American dream. Like, yeah, that's, isn't that a good thing? Like is it the same success that your father saw, which is awesome. It's great. You know, flowers were its due. But like, what, why is it wrong when I did it? And her defense that suit did look very crispy. That was a nice suit. That red tie. Oh, shout out. Limit is bespoke. Shout out to whoever had the, uh, the podiums for you guys to, that was fucking funny. I was not involved. What happened on the podium? I don't know. Wait, what? Yeah. Just the see through podiums. Uh, okay. I don't, yeah, I didn't notice this my, I didn't realize too, because how much they cut to the wide, that how much I was just like, or reforming the podium. Yeah. It was, it was swagger, swagger from the waist down the first five minutes. I was nervous, though, because it's like, okay, again, in my mind, it's like, don't fuck up. Just don't this up. There are now millions of dollars writing on this race. The future of the house, like, there's a lot of people that have put their, uh, have, have hitched their wagon to me. And like, I have to be the one to carry it across. So like, don't fuck up. Once I got comfortable up there, dude, I could do this for another two hours. Yeah. Let's roll. Let's do this. The, uh, opening jitters last was like 30 seconds, was it five minutes being perfectly when I depression feeling 30, the first 30 seconds was rough. Yeah. I was 30 seconds. I was like, Oh, man, like the nerves just hit all at once, but life after that, it was, yeah, just like the live shows. Yeah. It's just like any time you're, it's like public speaking, but you know, it's live. There's no editor. And you can be like, if you fuck up, you fuck up. Yeah. I think I have, when I've spoke in front of lots of people, it's been about 30 seconds. You feel like your voice is even cracking. It's probably not. Yeah. And then you get over it after a second, but we just don't, I don't do it enough to just walk in cold like that. Maybe you're getting there. So. Yeah. Well, it depends. Like, this was different because this is my first debate. Like, nobody's ever, my entire political career, I have a speech and debate background. My entire political career, I guess if you could call it that, I've been trying to get people to debate me. And nobody will. Like, Tony never debated me. We couldn't get stout to debate me until just now, because she's losing in all the polls. This is her Hail Mary to win. And it was the worst Hail Mary, because the calishe betting odds went from like a 62 or 65 to now 72 and Brandon's favorite like she's like a five point jump. Yeah. She hurt herself from that debate. It hurt itself in confusion. Oh. I thought you'd like that. I love that, that podium. But no one's, I mean, it was a good time. It's, it's, and it's just a wild experience and I've tried just, I've tried to change my mindset to a little bit, because like stuff like that, I don't necessarily want to do. Like it's like, it's a lot of pressure. It's, you know, these things going on, but I've tried to change that mindset from, you know, I have to go do this to, I get to go do this. Yeah. How many people actually get to take their ideals to a, to a national stage and to like a, a live TV audience and like, being able to be the advocate and being able to say all these things in front of this many people, to be able to, to push their ideas forward. 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His face go, because it was just shitting on him. Rich, Rich was like, you know, basically his whole thing was, "Oh, well, you know, children are being abused, and the school system is covering it up." And then their response was, "Well, this officer did this on a podcast where they burped and said bad words." It's like, "Oh, really? You're attacking our boy for being a whistleblower about child **** assault. Are you fucking kidding me?" This is like elementary school, by the way, and there were like parents, one, two kids almost got kidnapped. One of the kids peed themselves in fear. They stopped the kidnapper, then they didn't tell the parents. They just said, "Oh, little Johnny peed his pants. We don't know why." They hit it from the parents. Oh, my goodness. Meanwhile, an intruder had unrestricted access to the school that he should not have had. And they did not tell **** anybody. And that's the tip of the iceberg. And they tried to delete the footage. Like all the security footage. One of the teachers had to know with all the guy, like, "I'm going to record this because why are we deleting this?" So Rich came on. He described the situation and a really heartfelt message, but then they had the journalists tried to attack him. "Oh, we've never seen." Journalists were changing. They had titles. They would go live. They actually turned, they changed their titles in order to not get attacked. They're like, "Hey, we fucked up." I was telling you about this the other day, I was personally calling. Some of those journalists had phone numbers that you could look up from the studio. I was calling and leaving voicemails. Like, "Hey, **** you." Like, it's, I don't know. I feel like in order to have journalistic integrity, we have to have, I don't know, journalistic repercussions when you do shit like that. Because these people are not used to being called out. They're used to being able to say whatever the **** they want, going home and nobody knowing their name. Yeah. No, no. If you're going to lie and you're going to ****, like, if you're going to **** with our friends when they're trying to do the right thing, oh, yeah. No, there's going to be repercussions. Like, we're going to-- There has to be calls for doing you wrong. Yeah. We're going to make you feel the pressure because you deserve it. So with you, like, what are your favorite, I mean, your huge end of firearms, you've made your own, what got you in the process of making, like, the M-rad, right, the twink, too? You know, I, again, grew up and, you know, dad started the company in '82 and had designed that first 50. But I, in high school, I took drafting classes, you know, like, computer-rated drafting. And when I graduated high school, and, you know, I'd already been doing little things at the company on the way as a kid. And, but when I came in, I was like, well, I learned something at least in high school, like, this computer-rated drafting. And we were-- everything was on paper, right? What years were you in high school? Man. You all asked me when my age was. I was a graduate. Two thousand and eight. You never asked a lady, right? You never asked a lady. Oh. Oh. I'm surprised that that was OG drafting, too. Yeah. I graduated high school. And this is kind of crazy. I graduated high school in '96. And, you know, I came, and I did, I did kind of everything at the company. I knew a little bit about everything. But I started taking these drawings that were in pencil, and I started putting these things into 3D models. And my first-- I used AutoCAD. AutoCAD at first, and then pro-engineer. And I started turning these things into 3D models, and you find a lot of stuff. You know, you find a lot of stuff that's wrong. You can cheat on a drawing with a pencil. And then, like, you put this in a model that I-- what am I-- it's not 3.8 degrees. It's actually 4.2. you know, just because of the way the geometry plays out. So did all that and kind of pretty quickly led into starting new rifle designs. So you know, I graduated high school in '96 and I was working on the Model 99, I was working on a rifle before that, and that was the bolt gun, right? Which really became the architecture for everything else we did afterwards. If you ever really look at a Model 99, the monolithic upper with the barrel that was pressed into that and bolted in to this piece of aluminum, that became. - That's a bolted. - Well, yeah, on the Model 99, the barrel pressed in from the rear and then it had a retention nut in the front. So the back part of the barrel was kind of intention. But that architecture became what became the 98B, which became the M-rad, which became the Mark 22. So I was, I don't know, I don't want to do the math, but in '97 I was doing that and I was a child. A child and that, I must have been 19, 19, maybe when I do the Model 99, and that rifle is still in production and there's a couple of governments that use it. I want a 19 year old child. Like, have you seen a 19 year old recently? Not a female, just a 19 year old regular person. - I've been around, yes. - Okay. - Maybe. - They're children. - Oh well, I think that's also like a crazy thing now, like because like when I was in high school, a 19 year old was like, oh my God, that's like a grown-ass man, that's an adult, and now I look at a 19 year old. It's like, that's a fucking child. - It's a child. - It's weird how your perspective shifts on a lot of stuff. - For sure. - Send them to war. I look at that, I was like, I was like, - Oh, that's true. - Yeah, fuck that time. I was like, I wasn't war around 19 or 20, which is fucking wild to me. 'Cause I look at, they're just kids to me. - Yeah. - Like what the fuck? That's a baby. - I did a lot of stuff young. Like I think I had a house when I was 18, and was making payments on furniture and stuff like this, and I look at kids now, and I'm like, wow, they don't even want to drive. - You turn them in. - I'm some of the older and older parts of it. - So did your dad have you in the shop, just like watching all this stuff? - I did. - Were you just hanging around, or? - No, I did, even when I was a little kid, I would be out there. There was a contract where I put together every scope ring, and mounted the scopes on the rifles. I think I was probably 13, but I was damn good at it. - No shit. - Yeah, and those rifles are probably still in use somewhere in another country, so. Yeah, I did all that stuff, and I learned how to, you know, when I first got there, as a kid out of high school, I think I was probably operating a soul, and I'd say I'm blessed stuff, and I kind of know how to do everything, but that made me able to design things. Dad and I built cars too. We did that when I was a kid. You know, I saw one of my metalworking, paint, design stuff, all these mechanisms. You learn from doing things like that. And you don't get it all from a book. - It's like practical intelligence, 'cause I'm sure you've had to fucking deal with this before, where you have these engineering kids who like, they can't weld. You know, they don't know how to work power tools. They don't know anything, but they know computer. - Yeah. - So you get those like, 1.0001, you know, thousands of an inch fucking press fit tolerances on all these parts and CAD and shit like that, 'cause they're like, oh, theoretically it should work. - Yeah. - But they don't actually have any experience with making stuff, and it fucking shows. - Yeah, it does, and what I wish is that I just knew, I wish I knew all the stuff that a degree engineer had, but plus my experience. And I just, I didn't get it that way. Ironically, the first barrett to have a mechanical engineering degree is my daughter. - Really? - I have a daughter that just obtained a mechanical engineering degree. - Oh, it's a daughter. - 22. - Good God. - Yeah, that's awesome. - It's like fucking mechanical engineering. That's a crazy deal. - She's a mechanical engineer with a fundamentals of engineering, certification, and you know, dual major in that in a pod mathematics. So she works at the company, or? - No, no, no. She's doing her own thing, which is good. You know, my kids are welcome to do anything that I ever did, but I never wanted to make them feel like they had to follow that path, like force them into the dynasty. I made them all write five-year plans for me. Like, what do you want to do? And like, let me help you support you on that. So, and if they want to get into this business, you know, we've got retail stores and other things, so we can do that. But now I'm trying to figure out what they want. - Those issues. - Well, sorry. - Sorry. - With the kid aspect. - Yeah. - And write five-year plans. - Yeah, I did this about a year ago. I had a mandatory family meeting. And I said, I took him to dinner and I was like, guys, here's what I want from you. And I said, this is not optional. I said, I want your one-year objectives. Like, what are you trying to accomplish right now? And then I went your five-year plan on, and it has to be everything. It has to be, you know, your physically, your relationship state, professionally, spiritually, all this stuff financially. Where do you want to, what do you want to do in five years? And of course, all these kids aren't going to have it figured out yet, but my oldest daughter immediately. She returned hers perfectly. And, you know, the purpose of doing this is, and I said, don't be afraid to tell me what you really want. If you want to live at another state or another country like, tell me, like, I just need to know what it is. And I know you're asking because you've got a couple of kids. And you have to, it's time to make them start doing this. - One and a half. I've got it. I've got my 17-year-old son. - Oh, yeah. I'm curious. - 17-year-old son and then one's loading. - Yeah. - And then you can have him revise it every year. But the point of it is, you know, I want to help my kids, but I can't help somebody who's aimless, you know? Like, I can't find, like, I don't have a plan. That's not getting any funding. Like, you got to have a plan. - I scared the shit out of my parents 'cause I was a straight C student middle school in my school. I didn't really kind of, like, even get any traction, like, kind of catch my groove until college, which I was only in college for three semesters. So, like, it was really, like, I didn't, it wasn't until I started my gun business and like, really started getting into that shit. Like, I found the spark is what my dad called me. Like, found the spark 'cause before, like, my parents, I, now looking back, I understand why they were terrified. They're like, "Oh, God, he's a shithead." Like, he's never gonna get a shit together. Like, "Oh, we just raised a bum." Like, you just have to find that thing, I guess. - And some people struggle to find it, but I do think, like, making your kids define it. And they're not gonna get it right. And you're gonna refine it every year. But, at least, what I told my kids was, as if I know what you want to do, we can all be on the same page about it and I can help you achieve what you're gonna do. But I can't help somebody that doesn't even know what you're doing, you know? So, man, it's just got all feeling in here. - Well, I, dude, I love this. I think we love it 'cause it is, it's hard with your kiddos that do have access to a lot more than usual. Like, I look at our kiddos, Cody looks at his. I'm like, "Man, my kids are spoiled compared to, I grew up in a 700-square-foot house with seven people. Like, we tiny house poor shit." And now I'm like, "Man, my kid's bedroom is big." - Oh my God, damn, house was. - I like what Nick says about it. He's like, "Damn, he's like, how do I give them the right amount of trauma? Like, give them, how do I give them everything that I never had while also making sure they have enough trauma that they're funny?" It's like, "Where do you meet that middle ground?" - I think that's a proper way 'cause it is holding in them accountable. It's like, "Hey, I need you to have a path at least that you're hitting goals." If you're not hitting those goals, move those goals, and then find new goals. But you're not just wandering around like, "Man, I'm aimless, fuck it, I'll be fine." - And as parents, you should help them achieve stuff, but they've got to, can't be your idea. It's got to be their idea. No, my son just went through MEPs, and he's now in the deployed, what a delayed entry program from Marine Corps. I didn't see that comment. I've got 18-year-old boy. - You're good. - Some Marines? I would've been like, "Careforce, my kid, my son." - We'll see. - Hey, you gonna come out strong. - What's he wanna do in the Marine Corps? - He just wants to skip everything and go straight to Force Recon. - Selection, so. - Oh, he's a hard target. - He's physically, he is a bodybuilder, weighs everything he goes into his mouth, super disciplined, and physically he's got it all. But you know, we'll see, he's got more high school to go, and I didn't see this comment, but here we are. - That's a crazy, I mean, good on him. It's, especially if he makes it. It is going to be, if I can give you a piece of vibes to relate to him, he's do not quit. It's going to be just keep putting one foot in front of the other, 'cause that's all they're going for. It's like, you'll hit that mo, it's like a road march, a 13 mile or 15 miles, one foot in front of the other. You're gonna want to quit. You're just like, "Nope, there's the finish line." I just gotta just keep pushing this fucking sucks, holy shit, I want to quit, so that can't quit right there. I just gotta get there. - You know, I don't know how to advise kids on stuff. I never went to college, university, my dad didn't. So I had kids that did, my $2 did, and I don't know how to advise kids at this part. And I told my son that I was like, do we want to go to a Napples first? Like, we want to go to that track. Oh, I got a Naval Academy, see if we can do this. He's like, no, I'm done with school. He's like, he's, he's ready, man. - Young done for a come. - It's that, I want to go to war. - I think that's what it is. - It could be the podcast slogan. - Yeah, dude, that's literally all. - We're just gonna do a race the young part eventually. (laughing) You're still there, man. You're still there, we're all there, we're all there. - It was awesome thoughts. - I wanted to go to war, combat sounds dope. I wanted to play, and then it's the first gun fight you get into, it changes everything. So you're like, oh, that sucks. Well, I thought that it would. - This video is brought to you by Stop Box, Kate. Now, usually when people talk about this, we're talking about the polymer pistol cases that you can like rapidly access your stuff. They're TSA compliant, they don't take batteries. They're pretty nice for what they are. But their new product is my favorite. This is the U-Can, same product as Stop Box, got the same locking mechanism, Yada Yada, but it's like an ammo can. And inside, it's got some organizers for like magazines and you throw your pistol in here, Yada Yada Yada. So you can use it for that. I, on the other hand, use it for pretty much everything else. I've got little kids, I've got stuff I don't want them getting into. There's literally one of these inside my medicine cabinet. I put medications in here. I put the band aids in here because my sons think at any time they bump into it. anything they need a Band-Aid, even if they aren't bleeding and then we don't have Band-Aids and it pisses me off, so I lock them away. So yeah, I actually do use these things in real life and if you wanted to get one for yourself and check it out, we're offering 10% off when you use code unsubscribe at the link down below. I forget how many deployments did you do? 116 month deployment. Okay, so just one long deployment. Yeah, but it was, I mean, mission 2's when I got shot, we lost 2, 2 died, so Hammond got here, got killed, 5 got sent back because the mortar that dropped and that was mission 2. We said the mortar got dropped, like what, why did they get sent back? So we were out on mission, that was like that 8-10 hour gun fight with all my shit going on the third platoon, first platoon, head to the day patrol, they parked on ID, moved, ID exploring, like, the exact vehicle was like 101 or 103, the first platoon, first squad or third squad. They pulled off, it exploded, nothing happened. And then they go back to base because we lived out in sector, they went back to the big base where there's like running water, food, chow, they get the chow, they go park their strikers in a little circle, they drop the ramp so they can eat chow, a mortar drops right in between them on base, fluck in, right where it hit, just pepper straight inside the striker, single piece of shrapnel, hit ham in the heart, killed him instantly, and then the rest just got ate up by a shrapnel from the mortar and that's how the rest got sent home, tailor. So I had my pants, I just went straight to chow after mine, I didn't even go to the aid station yet for when I got shot, I like got back, everything happened, I was like I'm just fluckin' hungry, I want to eat first and I'll go to the aid station, went 8, tailor sits down across for me, I see his face, I'm like yo, what's going on, he's like yo, that's my whole squad, I'm like what happened, then he's like tells us, we lost him, I was like we just fucking lost God here, and I was like oh that's mission two, and I was like man gun fights, fuck it, suck dick, and then you're just in that the entire time, and all that young dumb full of come goes out the window, don't you wanna get home actually, happy or no, you're just met up with some of your boys recently, right? Literally all those guys, tailor, all those guys, it was one of the fucking coolest, awesome experiences, I haven't seen them in 18 years, 18 years, that's fucking crazy man, that's wild. So we sit, we get up, I surprise them with bringing stores in, they even know stores is gonna come into town, Mark for literally teared up seeing stores walk in as a surprise, there we have a podcast coming out with all of them during the Veterans Day month, and it was one of the coolest experiences, and then Finn got to hear some of the stories too, Finn's like what the fuck whole, cause also Finn's from there, which is kind of funny, yeah I saw his story when you guys were palin around, he's like never thought I'd be back on home turf with Eli and all his army buddies, but whatever, they all had stories being blown up, and it was really cool hearing a lot of them I forgot about, or that just because we were in different platoons, they had different experiences, or it's just wild, but it was instant back with the boys, I'm like oh I blood with these dudes, these are like my brothers that I have been through the shit with, and everyone's just joking, 18 of us got together, yes we're down in Nolan, we're all the shit though, so it was by 10 p.m, because you said you were the young guy, right? Yeah, I was the young guy in that group, give me a little background here, where were you deployed when was it? This was during the search, so 2007-2008 during the huge push to Iraq, so we were in Baghdad, then East Rashid in Baghdad, and then Bakuba, which is like the Deala River Province, for the second half of the deployment, and there was a 16 months with a two week break in between, but we were tip of the spear, so it was always like hey you guys are in the front line, so we actually used a 50 cow on one mission, and then never brought it again, cause it was so heavy, like this thing, so fucking, oh okay, you guys were pre-M107, so that was the heavy bitch, 82A1, it's still my light, you know, and it's just, we bring it, we'd use it all the time on, again we lived out in sector, so we lived out, we didn't have running water, we got to rotate to base every 22 days to shower, but yeah, we got to, we'd use it in our little, what did it call that, not on sector, you call them a fob, or a cop, so cop at operating base, so up there that was one of our weapons systems we'd use all the time. So when did the 107 roll out? I think 107, man, I'm gonna mess this up, I think adoption was right around that time, but it might have been as late as 2012, gotcha, which 207. It's the big 50, I should know these things, I'm not good on them, so it's like a lot more titanium, it's like a lighter version, it's also suppressor ready, okay. The rifle, you know, as all systems do, it just gets better every year, and that one, you know, had a big push, and it was actually Norway that Norway adopted a version of that first that Scandinavia loves you guys. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it kind of became M107, it was mostly, if you look at 82A1NG, it's what it's called, it kind of looks like an M107, and yeah, so it came around about that time. What happens though, and you know, you met a comment about the weight of it, we kind of go through times with this with that rifle, maybe people forget what it does, that's literally the problem. Oh, this is built for like a quick mission set up, but then, you know, and there's been all this talk of, you know, is the M107 replaced with something else, you know, nothing does what it does still though, and that's the thing, and what it does is it is around 30 pounds, and it carries 10 rounds in a magazine with symptomatic fire, and is it precise as a bolt action precision rifle, no, it's not, but it delivers payload, two targets with rapid fire, and it does it a lot better than a martin 19 or a belt fit into, well, I mean, you're going for a minute of car at 900 yards, like, yeah, that's, like, it'll do the job. And it will do a lot better than that now. I mean, I would legitimately see sub two minute of angle, but I just think you're targeting a Jeep, right? No, the problem was, and no, it's not, not about it. The problem was with the 50 cal system, this is what really always plagued the M107. If you take the 7.62 by 51, the 308, like, the ammunition is figured out for that. So you could, we can go to Walmart, well, when Walmart's to sell guns, buy a 308 gun, a box of federal gold medal match, or even the military match ammo, and it's going to shoot great. There was never ammo like that for a 50 cal precision rifle, never. All the ammo that people shot in bare rifles was, like, de-linked M303 ball, which actually doesn't have a requirement, it doesn't have an accuracy requirement, it has a dispersion requirement, you know, like, it's supposed to shoot, like, this big group. You know, now, like, it's got so good, you know, bare it is now selling, in fact, loaded in-house 50 cal, or match-round, and it's incredible. That's one of the things that we benefited from from early, like, AK50 prototyping was we were using, like, the Hornady, like, A-Max, that for data was just, it was so consistent. And that was so much better, because, you know, you use ball, like, random off the shelf, like, $3, around 50 cal. It's like, fuck, no, it's, you're not actually getting any real concrete data there, because the spread is so sporadic. Yeah. People, you know, people that aren't really deep into this have no idea how important every component of the system is, to actually deliver, deliver shots on the target. It's everything. And, you know, the optics have so much to do with it. And, dude, I will say what I loved about it was, it kept heads down. You're like, you're 556, if you're firing part of when you're in a gun fight, is, okay, get rounds down as quick as possible. So they're also trying to duck. They're afraid to get shot, shot, and so just return fire as fast as possible. And, a 50 cal is kicking rounds down, they hear that, and then they're seeing the damage if it's not hitting them, what is doing next to them, and they don't fucking peek their head out. I've never, I've never been shot at an anger, or, you know, I've maxed it, I thought I know what I'm saying. Because that implies you've been shot at a different scenario. I mean, I'm trying to think back, like, you know, you know, I've been around gun since I've been shot at mild frustration, yeah, I should call her. You set the minute of car for it. It's like the greatest predator of the Toyota Hilux, is that just how it like marked on the side of the gun, just like, the bear it gets up on the ridge, the national predator of the Toyota Hilux, the Parrot M82, I want to know what should do its work. The kinetic energy on target, though, to your point, I've talked to other guys who have been shot at a lot. And apparently, you know, like when a 556 round hits a wall, it's like, not really as noticeable, but when a 50 cow crashes to a center buck wall, it is, yeah, it is demoralizing. It talks in cat blocks. Yeah, you chose the wrong fight. Like what? So, dude, it is punching through, as you're saying, concrete barrier, or like, center blocks where you're like, oh, and then you're just seeing holes punch through it. And you're like, what the fuck? It's not so what the fuck is hitting right now? What's it? So it's, and now, you know, what I'm super excited about, and it's not even a new thing, but 416 Barrett, you know, one of our cartridges that I did years ago now, but now it seems like it's ruined. Are you involved in that? Like, you actually, you developed it? I drew that. No shit. Yes, I did that. I didn't matter. I didn't draw me like the powder. Well, because I thought it was, like, to my understanding, it was mostly a response to like the California 50 cow ban. Am I wrong? everybody thought that and it happened, it just coincided with that. Because if we had wanted to just make a compatible, a compliant cartridge, we could have necked the 50 down to 475 and kept it the same length and just thrown it in the gun and it would look the same and everything but it would have been compliant. We were actually going for performance. - Yeah. - So it was a better ballistic coefficient. - That the case is about 0.625, 5/8 of an shorter than a 50, and I steepen the shoulder angle because the old 50-cal was very, we're getting really nerdy now, but it was based off a 30-out six, right? It's like very pointy and I made the shoulder angle sharper which we do with all match grade cartridges now. - Because I mean, the 50-cal originally, that was literally just a scaled up, 30-out six. - If you hold a 30-out six up to your face and a 50 here, they're the same cartridge. You can just optically compare them. - John Moses Browning literally hit the scale up, but like 2x. So I made the case shorter and made the shoulder angle steeper, but we designed it around a 400-grain projectile going, it went way over 3,000 feet per second. Now we just didn't have the right platform at the time. We shot it at the Model 99, which is pretty good. Now we have the MRAD ELR. So it's just a scaled up MRAD and that thing, like the first time I actually shot it in the wild was at my farm and it was only at 750 yards, but it was just weird, it's eerie. Shooting a bullet that heavy, going like 31, 3,200 feet per second, it has a recoil on it. - It's nothing in the ELR, I mean, shit. Yeah, 'cause it's kind of a heavy rifle with a big muscle brake. - I was gonna say you guys, because it's not recoil operated, you can go with kind of a more aggressive brake and not worry about the engine. - Right, of course now everybody wants to shoot suppress. So it's not nothing, but it ain't bad. And the rifle has enough weight to it, but man, hitting stuff with that, it makes the 50 look funny. It was crazy how fast it gets there, and the energy it has. - Well, 'cause the 50 drops off dramatically at like what the 800 yard mark, 'cause like you're just losing so much speed. - Yeah. And it's got the weight like you're always gonna be hitting somebody with 700 grains of fuck you, but like at the same time, speed is what delivers energy. - But that point you just made is, going back to what I was talking about earlier, it's why the 50 will never really be replaced. It does things, and we forget about this, 'cause like we just have these short attention spans, but nothing else pushes a 750 grain, or what is the rawfus round? The Mark 21, it's a 660 something. - That is a 68 thing is like typical ball. - That is a, the rawfus Mark 21 round has nine components in the projectile. It has a penetrator, it has C4, and you're not gonna get that into a 30 cowl. - That's why it's always been kind of a gray area for like gun shows and stuff. It's like C4, yeah. - ATF has never said that you can't have it. Nobody's asked, and we're kind of keeping it that way. - There's not a lot of it out there, I mean, but is there? Okay, I don't know. - It's around. - There are. - It's expensive, it's last time I bought some, it was like 150 bucks a round or something like that. - Yeah. But it does things out of a regular small arm system that's like, it makes that gun very effective. - 'Cause like what other round can deliver that much payload? - That's it, it's about to payload, and we got into things, man, there's so much cool stuff through the years, we've done so many things at Barrett that never submerge us in the prototype shells. But a really fun one was the XM, man, don't mess us up. - The drone one? - Now the XM109, which was-- - The 25? - The 25 millimeter. So that was not really depending on kinetic energy. It had point netting fuses by the time we got to it. It was around the same time as the O objective crew-started weapon, which was using these fancy electronic fuses for airbursts. - Yeah. - That's just wild to me, just the idea was like, there's a bullet. Oh, look what it does. Okay, let's make it explode now. - Yeah. - What? - Yeah. - I'm a bit of a fan of your work if you can't tell it. - I have pots. Listen here, fellas, follow us here, football's back, and that means one thing. You're about to spend every Sunday cooking for people who showed up uninvited and are somehow already hungry before kickoff. You're about to be cooking your f*** off for all your buddies. Way before Hexclad sponsored unsubscribe, I've been using these bad boys for years. I bought them about five years ago, and I absolutely love them. Look, when people are coming over the last thing that you want is food sticking to the pan. 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And it's, there is, what is public knowledge now is that Barrett has won a contract for the precision grenadier system, the 30 mil, which is a shoulder fired, pretty light system that does this same kind of technology of, again, nothing is new. This goes back to the objective. OICW, OCSW, program objective crew serve weapon, where it has these air bursting. It's technically, it's a grenade launcher or a cannon in the case of the X and 109 because it sees a certain velocity. But yeah, they can fire a large project out there. It doesn't need kinetic energy from the speed. They can go over this wall and then it's explode here. Five minutes beyond. - To my understanding, you also, because it's no longer a grenade and now it's a projectile, there's different rules for the rules of engagement as well. - Oh, I don't know. - I think they've gotten around things, like there's certain payload capacities and things like that, that they're, I've heard that they work around some of the rules and some of the projectiles. - That's where we're going back to the 50 cow, like the sniper rifle was meant for enemy weapon systems. You're shooting at the chest plate, you're shooting at their AK, you're not shooting at. - It's equipment. - Yeah. - Oh, I missed the equipment and hit them. Oh, that shit happens. - Or you hit the equipment. - And then it didn't stop. - But the joke about aiming for their chin strap. - Yeah. The XM109, so it's the XM109, what is that? - The XM109 was a modified version of M107 that had basically, it was an upper swap that allowed us to fire this 25 millimeter point detonating grenade. Again, it like exceeded the velocity of a grenade launcher, so it's technically called a cannon. It was a shoulder fired cannon. Maybe we were shooting projectiles around like, I wanna say it was around 1800, this is old for me. Like 1800 feet per second, like kind of like Magnum pistol. - It's a fucking bullet. - But the projectile was over an ounce. It was like this huge projectile. And the beauty of it was, you know, the only other thing that carried that kind of explosive payload was a Mark 19, which is kind of a, which is an area denial weapon. Like you fire that and boom, boom, boom, boom. And it like showers an entire area with explosives. So there's like, you don't know what you might hit. This thing, 400 yards away, 500 yards, you can say put this grenade through that window on the third floor and it can do that. It was very accurate. - So can the Mark 19, if you give it enough tries? - Yeah, yeah. You can hit every other window too. - We have some stories on that. - You'll see on that podcast we're talking about. - Markford, it was like, yeah, he's like, hey, what the fuck, they're crossing. We were doing a, we were Gordon off two areas and we were like, don't fucking fight each other. We're putting up barriers, stop fucking going, they were as soon as she has to just fight each other on this area. So we just put up a barrier down senators and no one was allowed to cross. And then people were like, fucking around. And then they were like told, Markford was told to stop him and he's like, what, how? He's like, just shoot, shooting, warning shots. He had a Mark 19, he's like, okay. (laughing) Just watch, it's fucking. Mark 19 for one shot. - Yeah. - They've scattered real fucking fast. - Mission accomplished. - Yeah. Captain comes over to the radio. Markford just turns the radio off. (laughing) I like dying. Just for reference, the Mark 19 bullet speed, 490 feet per second. It's also a much heavier project. - But still a baseball, yeah. - Yeah, but it's still, as you're saying, it's like an ounce of 25 million. - This thing had mega recoil. Now, I shot some of the very first ones. We did everything we could for recoil mitigation. And I mean, this is so long I can talk about all of this stuff, but when it was first, when we were first doing this, we were kind of doing the Barrett thing. We came to a market with some stuff that other people were gonna study forever. And we're like, put a point in detonating views on that thing and give us ammo. And we'll start shooting it today and we'll have this fancy electronic fuse and there was a lot of issues with that back in the day. And I remember going up to Fort Campbell area, but we could not shoot this thing on Fort Campbell because it was not safety certified. But we did end up at this range called Rattlesnick Ridge, like a range off property. It was just like a lot of guys that needed to see this thing shot. That sounds like the exact place I would go off property to test something that was not safety certified. >> Yeah. >> Just go up to Rattlesnick Ridge. >> Rattlesnick Ridge. >> That's actually the name of the place. Rattlesnick Ridge. >> Yeah. >> This guy's got this thing up on Rattlesnick Ridge. He wants to shoot it off. It's pretty going to be pretty fuck buzzing. >> So these grenades explode in the air. He just don't know how the fuses work right now. >> Let me tell you, the number of active duty guys that showed up that day, awful Campbell, to see this thing. It was like this was going to happen. It was a thing that was actually needed to provide a huge capability and, man, these were fun times. >> One of the things, I think it's actually the first time, one of the first times we ever interacted online was when I picked up the M8282. >> That's, I forgot about that yet. >> The shoulder part. >> Do you know that? >> I do. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> To my understanding, I think it is the only civilian owned M8282 in the country. >> Tell the story. >> The M8282, the M8282 is a modified version of the M8281, the 50 caliber architecture, that instead of putting your shoulder at the back of the rifle and firing it from bipods, your shoulder goes about midway into the rifle and you fire it from standing. >> Editor. Pull up a photo. >> Yeah. >> Over your shoulder. It's a crazy thing. >> Does I think they only made, what, 12? >> I guess, I mean, you only made, what, 12? >> 12. >> I don't know. >> I don't know how they're out there. >> That's like, it impresses me to know that you have one of those, so that's how many you're out there. >> That was what you said in the comments, you're like, I don't say this often, but that's a **** unicorn. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I think there's, like, a couple of them ended up in certain militaries, like, there was, I think it was the Norwegians or the Finns or something like that had one. One of them got shipped to a Hollywood prop house for Jurassic Park 3. >> Yeah. >> Because they're like 20 mil. >> Robocop was one of the early 50 cows sem automatics because of this. >> They had a palsa, actually, it was Robocop 2, I think. They had a palsa, P50. >> No, shit. >> Listen, I was the coolest kid in school when Robocop came out because the cobra assault cannon was a very rifle. That's what Robocop shoots the bad robot, you know, the big two, like, things. He pulls out a, they call it the cobra assault cannon. It was a very early model '82, like, pre-A1. >> Oh, yeah. >> We had this big box on it, and I got to go to school. >> Or it just looks like until-- >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then there was a video game. Robocop video game, like on Nintendo, that also had the gun in it. So I was like, you know, I was like in elementary school where I'm a Barrett firearms t-shirt. It's like, yeah. >> No, you're down to these? >> So when I was turning Nintendo, yours is like my dad built that for me. >> Yeah. >> That was like fourth grade or something, but it was, yeah, the gun of Robocop, it's been in a lot of movies over the year. >> Yeah, I bought, or I almost bought, excuse me, it was in early, it was like one of the first hundred Barrett's, I think. It was, like, it was one of those, again, the 82 pre-A1, it was like 30 grand or something like that is what they were trying to get for it. And I kind of wanted it just for the history element of it. >> Yeah. >> Cool. It's just neat. >> I love it. >> You remember my dad shot it. >> Oh, the A2? >> Yeah. >> He shot it without ear pro. >> Yeah. >> Fucking psychopath. >> God. >> That's his red neck, is it? >> I did that one time on accident. You're usually going to do it once. >> Yeah. >> So that was loud. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I believe you. >> Yeah. >> It was like one time, the rest was pretty quiet. >> That morning, he sits on Wendagoon that day. >> God. >> He shoots it. >> No wonder you had to turn the TV all the way up, fucking shot that thing without ear pro. >> That was loud, man. >> Yeah. >> It's in the background of my studio now, like the A2. >> That's amazing. >> I love that thing. >> I really think we need to bring that back. >> It's cool. Well, it's also one of my favorite parts about it is when I got it in, like, to the average person, it would have been, like, but to me, it's, I was giddy as fuck, is how shiddily it was converted. >> Yeah. >> Because it's very clearly, like, it was a prototype prototype, like the magazine insertion, like, the little square they cut out was, like, clearly done by hand with the dremel and shit like that. It was just, like, it was clearly, like, barrett putting together, like, I mean, fuck it. Let's give it a shot. And just taking an M8281 and converting it over. >> It has a vertical for grip. >> Yeah. >> And you know what it is? >> It's the first A2 grip. >> Yeah. It's just the M16A2 pistol grip. Turn around backwards. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> You know, so it was, I just had to get it done, man. >> It was just cool. Like, to me, that's really neat. It's like, I don't want it to necessarily be good. I just want to, I want to see what was going on. >> This is the equivalent of, like, that this GT40 car you have, you know, just, like, hand-built. Like, that's, this thing's probably more rare than that. I mean, there's so few of these things as well. >> I got it for a song, dude. >> Where did you find that? >> Rock Island. So Rock Island. That's steel. >> And they, Joel, fucking shouts out, Joel, and texted me, or he called me out in a public video. He goes, "Because I had done it like a cursed guy in the images." I'm like, "No, no. It's an A2. They're just super rare." He's like, "I have something you want. Bet you won't bid on it." And I'm like, "Bet you, I fucking will." I mean, because the M107 goes for what? Now it is, like, 13, 14 grams? >> Yeah. >> I think I got that A2 for, like, 18. >> That's crazy. >> Was this a live auction or online or? >> Yeah. >> And sometimes it happens where it's like, people just don't know about it. >> I feel like not not people know what it is. >> Yeah, so he got a fuck, dude. That's a steal. That's why it's like one of those weapons. Hold on to it, 'cause. >> To my knowledge. >> And it is the only one that's ever gone for commercial sale. >> I would not doubt that. I don't know of another is the thing. Like I just, I don't know, I was told, like, there's like 12 in existence. A bunch of them went to, like, prototype out to, or like, testing to other militaries. Like I'm sure the American militaries, like, two or three. And I'm sure you guys still have one, one or two. >> Dad has one. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But outside of that, like, and then the one that's in the prop house. But I don't know where the fuck the others are. >> The prop house. Have you ever been to one of the prop houses? Like, ISS and all the other? >> I would. >> I want to. >> Dude, do we go with the one with Jake? Do you ever go to that one? >> That's probably ISS. I want to go. I never been. >> I want to have the one with Jake one time, and then you have a bunch of crazy shit out there. Like a Hollywood prop house. >> Yeah. It's amazing. I've been to ISS one time, and, you know, it's not just guns. I have, if you need a phone from the 1950s, they have that, and all this crazy stuff, but they all have to need one of those. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Cool, though. >> I got to work on the movie. I don't even know if I have credit, but I got to work on the movie Heart Locker. >> Really? >> Yeah. Which one, some, at one Oscar, I think it was the first female director to everyone on Oscar, Katherine Bigelow. But I worked on that movie and trained, the actors trained, the actors, it was kind of, that was funny. You know what? Jeremy Renter was in Addis before he was a big deal, but it is a good movie. You've seen it, right? >> Yep. >> That's when they had that actual firefight with the, uh, Barrett. >> Yeah. >> I was thinking, I was thinking there was a Barrett in there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Some guys are like dug into a hole with 50 on. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Random mercenaries in the EOD team is by themselves in the middle of the desert. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> This would never happen in a million years because you can't even leave base without four vehicles. So watching that movie, you're like, how the fuck did they just leave base? It's like a five minute EOD team in the middle of the desert. Yeah. But they did the fire, like that sequence right there is super gaysher because you do get to see it's like, oh, he's down and then they readjust fire and they hit the dude in the house. >> Yeah. >> And they just are using that weapon platform. >> It's probably time for me to rewatch that. I've like, I've never really spent time in California. Gosh, I showed up with a friend and a coworker of mine and we went to do this. I know we were doing like a carving class with the guys and then I was going to talk while we were shooting to them, like in a classroom. And man, we flew in to LA and gosh, I could still be in prison right now, probably, for the stuff I took in LA. I got a rental Subaru and I got like chest rigs, what, 30 round magazines. I don't, like this was so last minute. >> The Subaru is why you didn't get caught in. >> Yeah, probably so. >> Because the rules there, if you were like, dude, when I moved to LA, I didn't even know they had like a bullet button. I went to a gun shop, went to look, I was like, oh, can I see that M4 AK? And I couldn't drop the magazine. I was like, what the fuck? It's broke. And they're like, oh, it's a bullet button. I was like, I don't know what this is, there's 2000, I don't know, 2010, 2010, 2011. >> Yeah. >> You just landing with-- >> Oh my gosh. >> I had fully, you know, full M4 type systems with me in the LA, like checking into a hotel. There's this no telling what would happen, but we're working on a movie. Maybe they excused anything if it's working on a movie. But we did like a one day car being classed with these guys, I've never had rifles pointed at me so much. >> Thanks. >> Oh my gosh. >> It's flagging you all day. >> What if it was that? Mark's safe. >> It's not loaded. >> Look, yeah. >> Hey, good job, buddy. >> Is it pushing it out of your face? >> That was my one movie experience, but lift to it so it was good. >> Oh, what's this dick hasn't shot anyone recently, so we're good. >> I like Baldwin. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> They released that movie, didn't they? >> I don't think they finally go ahead and did they? >> I kind of like they did. >> Let me see. Just like everything else he does these days, it was released to zero fanfare. >> Do you ever go to Terrence Place and chew his guns? >> I've never been there. >> Okay. We ended up that one time. (laughs) - He out. - What were we there for? - I think it was for the release of John Wick 3. - Movie premiere wasn't it? - It was something like that. - Like a premiere or something. We were out and like, what is it, Simee Valley or something? - That's the place that I was where Terry Kruse was shooting. - The what? - Okay, well. - Wasn't it Terry Kruse movie? - Was it the Terry, it might have been a time before that. - I think it was John Wick. It was one of the screenings for John Wick. - Yeah, me and Brandon went to one of the John Wick thing he's early on and we went to Terence Range and they brought some like child actors out or something. They were trying to. - It was a chick from the little girl that played as one of the daughters from Avatar. - Yeah, so we were there hanging out and they brought in like one of the child actors for like one of the new movies coming up for Avatar and they were teaching them how to use firearms and they gave you laser guns for like, you know, you pull the trigger and the laser comes out and they're trying to teach you firearm safety and me and Brandon are sitting in the background while they're teaching the firearm safety and me and Brandon are just pointing the laser guns at each other's dicks like that. - Yeah, we're just like dicks shooting each other like holster pulling dick. - Got you, got you and the parents look so horrified because like Terence teaching these kids, like here's how you do an Hollywood movie and we just happen to be there and we're in the background just like dicks shooting each other with these laser guns. - They're like obviously like fake plastic blue guns, like not a functional fire shaker. They were just like little shaped guns. - But let's talk more about your fascination with man's crutches, I mean, what is that about? (laughing) - Well, we gotta go back to my child. - Let's put on that therapist hat right now. - Why are we really doing this? - Pull up the note, Pat. - Just like everything else I do, because funny. - Yeah, a bunch of me gays or something. - It's funny, we had the whole belt on and we're just like, got you, got you, got you dick. - We're just absolutely not taking it seriously. - Parents of these child actors, just like. - 'Cause for them, these are like the LA, like the Beverly Hills types that have never like seen a gun before in person. So like for them, it's just like totally natural. To me and Cody, like, where is this place even? I've seen it a lot, where is it? - He's just north of LA. - Okay. - Yeah. - It's like, it's where outside. 40 minutes outside. - It's semi-valley, I think is what it's called. - Something like that. - It's a nice little range, especially in LA when there was nothing and then they were super strict on all the rules out there with firearms. It's, it's while going from there to anywhere else and shooting gun. You're like, I was gonna show you this though, 'cause you're talking about the hand drawings and stuff like that. I still have some of the original sketches when we were working on AK50 stuff. Like that was, this is how it always started for me. You rarely just start on the computer. You've got to just like get it down, which is like a draft. It's just like, oh well, like that's, actually, I was ahead of my time now that I'm looking at that. 'Cause I ended up going milled in the first iteration, but in the drawing then, I still had the stamped receiver, like front trunnion kind of thing, which if we ended up going back to, just 'cause it's the only manufacturerable way to do it. - That is cool. - It's just nudes of Brandon right now. - Yeah. - Yeah. - You were often drawing some of this. - It's just more of men's cross. - You're a very smart guy. (laughing) - But just like, yeah. - No, I thought it actually was your cross. - No, no. - It's not this time. - Not this time. (laughing) - Showing off is showing you. - No. (laughing) - We're doing trunnion picks. - Hey, Rick Cox. - Yeah. - Yeah. - You who send me trunnion picks. (laughing) - Trunn, yeah. - Oh my gosh. That actually, the time kind of works. - Excellent. - I mean, it really kind of does the thing about it. - Yeah. - It's where you insert your barrel. - Yeah. - Oh my gosh. (laughing) - That is the first joke I think that has ever been laid out on the podcast. - The good shirt. - Yeah. (laughing) - Send trunnion picks. - Actually, yeah, that's a great shirt. - Wow. - Okay, come here on that one. (laughing) - Well, 50% proceeds. - I've built a lot of AKs, I don't know if you know that. - I've been told you're a bit of a closet at AK guy. - Oh, no, I mean, I think I'm fully out. I mean, it's, yeah. - That's one of the AK pride month. - Yeah. - I want to know, like what kind of firearms are, like what's your favorite one is you're just saying, also you do, you've designed or built AKs. So like what are some of your favorite firearms? - Outside of what you built, like oh, I really enjoyed it. - The reason why the AK thing is so fun is because of how, you probably know exactly how many countries ever made an AK. But there's so many different little micro variations of it that if you want to nerd out on something, that was so fun. And I've, yeah, I've still got some part kits laying around that need, and I've got a couple of you go M90, it was the M92, the short one. - Yeah, the little like the PAP. - Yeah. - Like the, yeah, the like basically the underfolding crank - Yeah, I've got some of those laying around that need to get a receiver for and have somebody, I don't want to put them together anymore. - I know, I might be a good guy. - Okay, I need to, I need to get some of those done. That was, that was fun, but you kind of like, I may have gone full circle now where people always ask me, like what's your favorite gun? How many guns do you have? I was like man, you know, I owned a gun company and I own, I own firearms stores, like I just go get whatever I want. - Yeah. - And it comes down now, like the firearms I use the most is a Barrett Rx7, which is our AR variant. And it is beat to hell. It rides around on the farm with me. It's shot all kinds of stuff. You know, I use that and a Glock. You know, sometimes I'm so boring, but this is what happens when you come full circle and it's not like my carry pistols. But you still have to have. It's kind of like the car thing too. You have those that are set aside, they kind of fund what you're actually using, but it's, that's why I don't know if you gravitate towards any like brand. If you have to go, just slap. We can. - I will hear it slap. I want to swap in if like we can keep it. 'Cause we still got some time. - I'll balance that in a second. The one thing, 'cause I've got a fundraiser. Like I literally just landed before I got here. I landed back from Dallas, like at the airport, came directly here to do this podcast. Now I'm going to do another fundraiser 'cause like we're, I got, at time of recording, I have 19 days before I can get a full night's sleep. But I was gonna say, like I completely get that on like the AK side of things. 'Cause you know, people ask, you know, why did you gravitate to the AK more? Like, dude, you get an AR-15 off the shelf. You know, it came out of the Daniel defense factory fucking two weeks ago. CNC machine from, you know, bill of aluminum, you know, whatever, somebody pressed a button and made that. Nothing wrong with that, it's a great machine. But with the AK, it's like, oh yeah, no, this is a parts kit that was originally made in Romania in 1964. It then served through the Yugoslav wars, was involved in three civil wars. A police unit used it for like five years. And then I got caught up in Bulgaria, shipped over to the United States and put together by, you know, some guy in South Carolina, it's like, that's cool. That's, it's just got everything behind it has a story. Like, there's so much history just baked into owning it. - These are the conversations of men who have never kissed a girl. - Yes. - Did you know the polls made their gas block this light? They had a different flip upside. - No, you might think it's a 45 degree gas block, but they actually brought a type of gravy degree. - Yeah. I've never seen a girl's trend, you know. - Neither have A.K. guys. - Oh my gosh. - Right there over the top. - Oh, okay. - It's like a front sight post. - Point an arrow at where I think it's at. - The other fun thing about an A.K. that I think people get wrong. Like, oh, you know, like, people can build those in a cave. It's like, oh my gosh, you've never put together an A.K. It's like, can you, yes, should you know? - It's actually, it was made for mass industrial production. - Yes. - Vactories, I mean, it's not easy, you know, but it's, it's much harder to build. - I'm like, you know, you can, they're pretty - an actor. - Yeah. - I've seen it in videos. - It's much harder to build than an A.R. by far. - Yeah. - Again, it's meant for like factory production, but on top of it, it's a testament to the platform, I think, that the amount of people that were doing like screw builds and weld builds and like, just putting them together like shit. And the gun's still kind of ran pretty well. Like the fact that you could f*ck it up that bad and it still is a decent product. - So who really, really builds one proper now? If I had some kids like that, who would I send that to? - I'm not even kidding. Like, I know I'm biased in this regard. So my shop manager, Zach, Zach Schaefer, is in my opinion the best A.K. builder I've ever met in my life. - Okay. - He is rabidly and I'm trying to give you kudos here. So forgive me, he's rabidly autistic. Like if a little like in a good way, he will freak the f*ck out if like something is like brush patterned the wrong direction. - That's what I'm talking about. - Like that's the sort of like attention to detail. Everything has to be exactly perfect, cloned correct. This is off by 0.1 millimeter, it's dog shit, garbage, f*ck that. Like, and then what, one of my favorite shows on pepper box right now, boys in the garage. - Boys in the garage. - 'Cause you can see Zach get autistic with this stuff. And autistic like Brandon said in a good way. It's so cool to watch. - 'Cause he was a good balance for me, especially in the early days of my company. Because like I'm over here, like how do we turn a profit? How do we make this? How do we like monetarily make this work? And then he would balance that out with how do we make it good? - Oh man. - And he was the perfect yin-yang. - Yeah, dude, if I can say one quick good thing about Zach is with the Famos. When you guys rebuilt that, I brought in mine. 'Cause you guys built, you bought one that was cut. - Yeah, he reverse engineered the Famos receiver from scratch. - And from a cut up, like cut up pieces. - So when I brought in mine, he actually was like, "Hey, can I take that apart?" I was like, "Yeah, I can do whatever." And then he measured it. - He measured the mag well distance, I think. - And it was f*cking perfect based off of his guest abitement. like, oh, it's like, what the fuck? (laughing) He is, oh. Autistic level of detail and it's awesome to see somebody so passionate about firearms the way he is You have to you have to have that in a business and I think that was kind of that was me In our business and then somebody's gonna be watching out for the business end of it, but it's Man like recognizing that is half the battle. Yeah. No. He's he's fantastic I've joked about the civilian times, but it's probably half a joke if he ever left the company I'm just shutting it down tomorrow. They can't it can't run without him. He's he's I can't let him know that He's he really like legitimately like anything I could do for that guy He's he deserves all the success. He's going to get because he's he's gonna he's gonna do fun That's cool. So with like light cars. Do you have any firearms that are your museum pieces like? As he's saying with the Barrett a - that's where I collect my firearms It's the specific ones that I'm like, oh, you're your philosophy. I'm like, yeah, I'm not gonna shoot it It's my little museum piece safer cars. I'm like, oh, it's man, you know I'm gonna couple of transferable things kind of like I've got an un-fired M16, but it's like it it says M16 A2 on it You ever seen those like it's a transferable M16 A2 cult and I've read about them. There was a few that might have been maybe they were remade or something like it's it's very gray But it is on paper. It's a M16 A2 un-fired. Mm-hmm. See that's the shit that I love because that un-fired thing especially 19 what year? Well, it would have been before and and there was no M16 A2 and 86, right? No No, I wouldn't know to be honest. It's Google that some time like there's something about there's a few cults out there that say M16 A2 that are transferable and I have one of those That's that's a weird one. Does that have to carry handle while doing it mine. I can't remember what upper it has on it A2 it should right I think and mine is configured as a little short carbine gun But it's just the fact that the receiver is a cult M16 A2 and it's a civilian transferable gun that that's pretty crazy Well, there's there's certain guns like that were like they were right on the cutoff in 86 We're like for example like miniguns. There's like what four transferable miniguns that exist Well, what I'm trying to say is I think there's a little shady business. Oh, well, yeah, but for sure I think it was a repaired earlier M16 that was repaired because really all they care about is this is a little naughty I don't do this but I've I've heard tell the people in the industry who have They just care about the serial number. Yeah, even if the firearm portion gets repaired by a different piece of aluminum. Yeah, yeah, you know Yeah, I wanted to ask you this on unsub for a minute what retarded rare metal gear solid guns do you have? Because you've been collecting them like I mean the M82A1 is or excuse me M82A2 is one of them Yeah, but so that's MGS4 for yeah, and I have so metal gear solid the first one had the Mark 23 socom With the prototype lamb and suppressor the fa Moss and then the PSG one and that was like my holy girl to buy all three Because fuck hey it Hideo Kojima for picking those in He picked these guns in 1998 to put in the game and then they are the most rare Things possible especially this day and age so I finally got all three the fa Moss has been fired Everyone's I think Brandon. How do you get a fa Moss like how so is it sem automatic or is it yeah? It's semi-auto still there's a little heat. It's your yours is yeah, mine is Chassis 44 so serial numbers just 44 that's wow. It's still absurdly So you get you were able to get the parts somewhere and then you're going to know mine's from Front mind is an import and import from Moss. Okay, I think it was pre-bound right yep pre-ban from Moss for the only ones that they actually Sit shipped to the United States, but it was it was originally built as a semauto. Yeah, for the they had a handful I think 150 or 200 that made it states right before the the Bill Clinton Span it really yeah So they're like here's these and then I got banned and then they just kept climbing and oh a rarity price Same for the PSG one. They only had a handful and then Brandon's the only reason I got that PSG one for the price I did was that You're like you got a bid now. Oh, yeah, it was I was watching it on rock Island and I called them up because I know you wanted one It was going for fairly cheap. I'm like he didn't know I was in a live auction like do you want a PSG one right now? It's $25,000. Uh-oh. Well, I mean like can I look at no no like this. What's your number? I was like 30? Okay, I was like I don't know what he's like it's yours. I was like I just Because I'm like I didn't want to let it go the PSG one is like the snapper awful with the like the It's like a kind of a blocky. It's like a sniperized G3. Yeah. Yeah, okay, like the HK like it's got the big the big pistol like but plate. Yes, yeah Correct like the big the platform on the bottom of the pistol grip. Yeah, yeah, and it's all so one still like what's that paper rap magazines Like a wax wax paper. Yeah, wax paper like everything is still so from 80s. It's a 1980 I think still case everything really Yeah, yeah, same for the market 23 real quick. I do have to balance out of here. I've got to go to a fundraiser unfortunately He's got to do congress things Real quick and then Connor if you want to step in for a little bit we got like 20 more minutes Brandon Herrera had to leave Howard to do something that has to do with Congress Oh, no, he's got to run for the 23rd District of Texas. Oh, no Well, he had to leave and we were blessed with the King Charles president So I'm substituting in good to see you Chris. Uh, I have no knowledge of how fire arms function Oh, so there is about to be a catagoric shift That's just lose my only gun gun now we gotta go I don't even know what's going on half the time you guys are talking I've been sitting here like we're gonna Talk about guns or cars There's a shit that's on some we're like wherever it goes that's where the conversation goes now We've got Connor. He can tell you about you. Connor. What is your favorite? Why did you choose the M4 platform for your home defense weapon? Great question Eli I do legitimately have like I could give an answer to that question because I'm familiar with it And I think we're all familiar with like the AR style platform the M4 being slightly smaller Package, I'm familiar with the operation of an AR style rifle Went to that shooting competition with Brandon Kalash Bash I don't know if you ever heard of it in AK-47 shooting competition He gifted me with a wonderful Christmas present last year in M70 AK-47 Brandon great friend of mine knows that I'm very into I look you're eating this up Bigger than you just like a recorded message That way okay. Yeah, but yeah, I did the AK shooting competition and I've only ever shot like AR style rifles My my entire life because that's just as an American that's what what I grew up with and so they invited me Brandon is guys invited me to the Clash Bash and they're like oh, it's just fun which it what there's like half of the people who were there take it so Seriously and then the other half of the people who were there. It's just like now. We're just having fun It's a good time. So nobody nobody's a real juggie and it was my first shooting competition ever had a great time but the just like operation of an AK-47 versus I don't know if y'all have seen that video of like It's a guy I think it might be like basic training and They're all shooting ARs and he goes to like drop the mag and he does that and Then he hits the button and the mag drops out and then he goes to put a new one in you like rocks it Which doesn't work and then he smacks it up and then he reaches over to like charge it It's like he did everything wrong. So I did it the opposite way was like the night before and they're like if you ever loaded an AK before I was like yeah, but like in a like at the range, you know range day, whatever strike Yeah, it was not I hit or yeah Not in the competition setting so everything like they were like yeah You know put the new maggot and I like instinctively like slap the side of the AK I'm like I'd be outed as a American spy instantaneously It's it's the superior weapons platform. I was I apologize with half listening. I heard you're a pot or a closet AK guy That's you that was your take away from all that I was looking at positive I was looking at all of those recipes Oh my gosh, I do I do appreciate them but now I'm with you I don't agree with all your points about the superiority of the American platform. It is I'm just waiting for Conner's answer Oh, I lead all my gun dollars now to Conner Like I don't know what the fuck I mean I'm gonna fly my tea Chris What are you working on right now that has nothing to do with Connor? Yeah I've been really Enjoying of new phase of my life that's I haven't been working on anything very structured I've been doing a lot of personal projects. I've got a big farm and some other properties been spending time on my kids And you know, I own these retail farm stores and actually I'm an owner in some bar is also even the words. Yeah Call the red it's like a lot of shit But it's not for me because I'm an investor and I don't get involved in all of the operations, you know, they're called the red phone booth. There's one in Nashville, one in Miami, one in Dallas. It's like a speakers, they're cool speakers. And I'm not even drinking right now, so. What makes you want to invest in those bars specifically? You know, it's, I met the partners in that in Nashville. The red phone booth started in Atlanta, and it's just a cool speaker. It's kind of a really high-end prohibition experience, kind of cocktail bar. You enter through a British phone booth and like dial a code into the end there, and then we get your end through a wall, like the back wall. Oh, so you literally have like the red phone booth. You go into a red phone booth. There is no sign on outside of these places. You have to know the code or get it from someone, and you dial it in and we open the back wall. You know, I would get the phone as I get on, you go in. It's cool. That's doing proper business. I always say it's like, once you hit that level of your, your client base is always going to be there. Now, how do you give them that experience? And that's that experience, like an actual phone booth where you get to walk through this fucking deal. And that's what the whole thing is. It's about the experience on that. It's not trying to be, like Nashville's got a lot of new trendy places that are that show up in girls' Instagram photos, and we're like, I guess we do show up on a lot of social media too, but it's, we're not this new, like, bad thing. It's like, we're classic. It feels like the 1920s in there. The service is amazing, with these amazing cocktails, but we can also, we have cigars. So it's not a cigar bar, but we can, you can smoke cigars in there. We have a walk in the humidor. It's just really cool. Like a place where you can go in 2026, and we have food like white bites. It's really good, where you can eat, drink a drink, and smoke at the same time. That's amazing. Like, where else can you do that? It's just, you can't. Is it like a private club then? It's a semi-private club. So we have memberships. You get a membership and you can get a locker to put your cigars in. But non-members can come if they got the code from concierge, like at a hotel, or they get it from another member. But only members can make reservations. Members can swipe their phone and have a different door open. Members can invite it to the private parties. So it's cool. It's like a little blend of exclusivity, but also approachable. It's cool. Not my dad and I did not found this company. It was my partner, Steven, and he came up with, and it's just, he's good at that. I'm not a restaurant tour. I just thought it was cool. How did I get involved? I used to go there a lot, smoke cigars, and I was like, this is cool. You got any money? I was like, yeah, I got some money. How much you got? I'll invest into this. No, now I'm in three of them. So it's like, yeah, that's going pretty good. Got these retail gun stores where we do training. We have indoor ranges. They're called the Outpost Armory. They're all in Tennessee. So there's three of them there in Tennessee. What parts of Tennessee are those in? It's all in middle Tennessee. So the flagship original stores in Murfreesboro. And then I've got one in Franklin, Tennessee and one in Henderson, built in the sea. The Murfreesboro and Hendersonville stores have indoor ranges. The Franklin one does not. So it's cool. Again, we've been that business. I started that light. Man, it's approaching 20 years ago. No shit 2009 Obama was just elected and I opened my first retail gun store. And I don't know if y'all know what was going on, but we cannot bolt that inventory. It was crazy. Now on the time to start selling. It was crazy. Yeah, that is that everybody's going to get that spring and then everyone wants to buy. Like as you were saying earlier, it was like suppressors. It's just like it was so wild. Like like during the Obama administration man, it was crazy. So we started with one location there and then it's grown and it went up to four and I've got rid of one and it went down to three. So work on that and do fun stuff from the kids and go to the lake in the summer and go to the farm. I've got a big farm in middle Tennessee that I call the farm. It's got some cattle on it, but we shoot. We got a big lives there. It's just fun. I'm in that phase right now. I bet you're the hunting phase. It's fucking dope. Like actually being able to hunt or do anything on that's where I. You're in that I want to cut your retire. Well, kind of retired. You're still working, but you're trying to enjoy life. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I work from a very young age and bear it so long, so hard. And you kind of have like some life experiences. Hopefully you have life experience before you're dead that tells you to wake up and and prioritize some things. And I think I got a couple of those. So I'm doing that. You know, and life is really good. That's also bad. But I'm not going to an office every day and I don't want to get into anything else like that again. I'm like, "But don't talk to me about work. I don't want to go." Never going back to an office job. Never. veteran problem coming up. I'm about to be a statistic. We're all quick. I will say we were talking about actually getting on the racetrack because he hasn't drove any super into cars, but he hasn't done like formula fours or anything. And I was telling him how you guys had done that. I was like, dude, once you do those, it normal cars, even if you have a Ferrari or anything, goes out the window that's track days are corner so I can like formula four. Once you drive when you're like, yeah, it's a very completely different experience. Oh, thank God Brandon left. We don't have to talk about guns anymore. We all hate for you. Mr. Barry. Mr. Barrett himself here. Let's talk about cars. That's what I love to do now. That's what you were talking about. Chris, do you have any favorite fucking cars that you have, dude? Yeah, would you get to have some favorites? I mean, I am fully immersed in this Ferrari world right now and I have met the coolest people through it and low entry point. Yeah, that it is not. We've all got a couple in the garage. The hardest part is keeping him clean. I have met the coolest people. Ferrari is a company should be studied by anyone who is in business. They're brand and just how well everything is done, how immersive it is. And I've met some of the coolest people and a buddy of mine that I met through Ferrari, I was talking to him like a week ago and he's like, hey, I'm going to go to Switzerland to check on the car. I just bought over there. He's like, do you want to go? I was like, yeah. I was like, so I just got on my bolt, bolt tickets. We're going to go to Zurich and then I'm going to end up in Marinello with End of the Month and drive at the Ferrari on the Ferrari test track at Fiorano and so, like, I'm doing stuff like that now. I'm doing that. That's what I'm doing right now. Leave me alone. I don't want to live my life. I'm sorry, now I need to live my life. Hey, I can get an app you want to split. You're talking about, hey, you're going to go to Switzerland with me. I'm just like, what did you do? I just lose my two friends. What does that have? You're allowed to have fun. If I had your money, I would also go to Zurich and die for a race. This stuff, but I'm going to jumpstart my Ford Ranger when I get back home. Oh my gosh. I need this appetizer right now. You can afford the mod sticks. I just become like, I'm so sorry. That's cool. Talk about that. But these things, they do go hand in hand. I've always been, you know, what I did, what I did in rifles was because I loved his on and I was uncompromising about what something has to do. So that bleeds over into stuff like that's why I car guys are gun guys are watch guys are bourbon guys like it's all it's all something crafted. Exactly. You were like, there's nothing to apologize for because you were developing firearms and you were 13 years old. Yeah. If you want to fucking dabble in for all reason, I understand that. Dude, it's the hardest thing you work hard. I worked really hard because ever since I was a little, I wanted nice cars. Like, that's all I wanted. I grew up. Poor is my Claren F1 seeing that need for a speed to for the PlayStation is like, I no idea. I'll ever be able to afford one of those. I dropped out of high school, but it was a goal in my life. I was like, one day I want to own a super car or get to that position. And now all of us have done well in life. It's like watches. We'd never thought none of us probably like, we're going to be watch guys. And now we are watch guys in some facet or other. And it's fucking awesome. You got shot. Exactly 40 grand a year. And then we start to do the on something and you're a fantastic entrepreneur yourself. And what what do you get? You got a fucking cool ass Porsche. Yeah. And that Porsche is cool as shit. And then you started moving out from there and it's it's cool. It's I hope every man that's worked hard lives long enough to be a boy again. And it's just like, that's what we're these things make us like kids again. And it's just like, don't let go of that. I can't apologize for that. It's a full circle. This second you're like, well, I'm back around and you can be like, well, I don't I could never do that. That's a lot. It is a lot. But then you experience it and you're like, okay, this is pretty fucking dope. This is this is my happy place now. Yeah. This is my break from everything else I have to deal with. Because I do believe a lot of people think entrepreneurial life or owning a business is way easier than it is. And they don't realize how much time effort and hours are poured into each and every day. And the best way I put it is if you are at home or you're taking care of your family, how much stress is that? You work 40 hours to 80 hours a week to support your family to make sure your kid videos are taken care of, you're not homeless. A boss, a lot of the times, a good boss is taken care of a small team, four people. And then you have up to 30, even bigger. And now every one of their employees, you have to worry about, if I fuck this up, all my employees don't eat, and then their families don't eat. That's a different level of stress. That's a, yeah, if you have a good boss, which is rare. Yeah. (laughs) But it is, so when a good boss does, it's like, man, I wanna drive a fucking Ferrari or start playing in that, they earned it a lot of the time. They really did earn it. Like, it's not a zero sum game. I've never understood why you would be upset about somebody else's success. That's credit. No, trust me, I understand I've seen it, but it's like, no, you know, if you've worked hard and you've earned something, like, you know, let people enjoy the fruits of their labor. But to bring it back to the car thing, so you're, I think what you were getting at, you're like a performance guy. Yeah, 'cause you were talking about you, you designed like high end firearms and you want high performance cars. And so many of the things, I learned a lot of the things that translated into designs I did later and Dad's garage. You know, like, we worked metal, we worked fiberglass, we painted things, you know, you weren't a lot from touching metal, you can't become a metal whisperer without touching it and bending it with your hands. It tells you a lot. And I might not have an engineering degree, but you just learned a lot from doing that. And that's how I grew up. And so those were the things like cars are cool and machines are cool. And we, you know, people asked like, more of the research we were talking earlier about, the resources you would have to even have a basis to design some of those guns. And it was like looking at the old stuff, you have to lay hands on it. So, you know, I grew up playing with luggars and older volvers and taking apart all these guns and, you know, I don't even know if my dad knew all the stuff I took apart while he was gone. So, I guess it's good. And, you know, probably all some screws and pins in the process. - The most engineer backstory I've ever heard in my life. - Yeah. - Just disassembling shit. - That's it. - Figure out how orcs and put it back together. Hopefully, successfully. - And it translates. Like the car stuff translates into the guns and the watches and everything else. So, it's kind of natural. - It's that mechanical aspect of each thing. Dude, you are going to love getting into Formula One, especially when you learn the history on some of those old cars and what they used to do. The old tech, the first vehicle we were talking about, the McMurdy, you know, fan system that pulls it down to the ground. That car was designed in Formula One in the '70s. - Wow. - Yeah. And then they banned it because it was also sucking up everything off the track and shooting it at the drivers behind the whole. - I just blown the gravel at the guy behind you. - That was back when they were wearing goggles. - Yeah. - If you're in first, you're last. - They're not be second. - He might dust, bitch. - Yeah. - That's where it came from. - Dude, that shit. What, as Cody asked though, like what's your favorite, like your dream car? Your dream of dream cars. And I'm really fascinated with the lightweight Rawl Ferrari's like, and everybody is right now. The 360-challenged Stradale, the 430 Scooteria. I had a piece to for a period of time. I'm so stupid for someone like that. But it sees Rawl strip down cars that are close. They're a race car adjacent. They're cars that were almost race cars. So that's fun. - That's the Carpet Fiber Body on it. - Oh, yeah. - Still for Amy, yeah. - Like a 430 Scooteria is a car from 2009, Ferrari. And it doesn't have carpet, you know? But it's like you get into the floor as metal. - Yeah. - So you can imagine it was Michael Schumacher inspired and he worked on the design of it. And it feels like it. Like it's cool. So, do you have any cool retail cars right now, though? - Retail cars? - Yeah, something with money. You can go out and buy. Do you have a cool one that you like? - Did I have it that I don't have? What are you in? - Both. - Yeah, yeah. - What would you have? I know you said a Raptor R. - Yeah. Okay, the Raptor, the Raptor R, the Raptor, the Ford Raptor series is my favorite vehicle. If I could only own one vehicle for the rest of my life, that's it. It does everything. And I drive it more than anything, you know? Let's see that, that or a sports car. So the Raptor is just incredible. That was one of the cool, Ford has done so many cool things. Hey, to start a Ford versus Chevy War, but they've just done so many cool things. - That you got in the Raptor. - The 2003 Ranger. - Oh, yeah. (laughing) That's a hero car, I mean, that's like. - Okay, if you could go out right now, a car you could buy. What would you buy right now? We're not talking about utility or blah, blah, blah. It's something that you would enjoy buying right now. - I wish I could get and I wouldn't, I'm not this kind of player, but I would love to have a Pagani. - Oh gosh. - The Pagani. It's not the highest performance, but it's the art of it. - Pagani Italian? - Yeah, Horatio Pagani. - They are, as he's saying, it is an R-piece. This is your watch of vehicles. This is meticulous titanium carbon fiber. The design is after like a fighter jet, the Ford, the quad exhaust. - But also kind of was ordained. - The biggest. - Yeah, there's things that are just like a groove. - What's it? - It's a Pagani Zonda. - Zonda. - That's the Zonda. - It's like the Y-R-A. - The Y-R-A. - Yeah, Y-R-A. - Oh, no. - No, I think they're more than that. - More? - Yeah. - And like I said, I ain't that kind of guy, but like you asked me if I could, you know, like it's just so cool. - It's just so cool. - It's about a 17.5 million. - Oh. - The utopia. - Yeah. - How much is the utopia? - I don't even know how you bought one, I guess. - I mean, it's, who gets selected about one of those? - Five mill. - No, no. - For the utopia. - Yeah, the horror is the other one that I couldn't remember. - Do they're interiors? Like, again, they're like a work of art. - God, they are so fucking sexy. - It's that, it's that hot tech looking, but they'll have like weather top-down straps on the outside of the vehicle also. So it's like, it's just beautiful. And I think some of it looks organic. I get grew that way. And it's some of this fighter jet inspired. It's just, it's beautiful. - So, 'cause we're like, they were kind of in a fight with like Cummings Egg there for a while, weren't they? - Cummings Egg is the other one that's kind of like that. And it's, each one of these people kind of focus on their thing. They are, Cummings Egg seems to be pure performance. I just pushing every envelope for power and speed. - You know, Dutamosa. - Yeah. - Have you seen their P-72s? - Yes. - Dude, the interiors on these are, again, that is like, oh, I've seen that, you know, the dude, the work of fucking art on a car. It is, oh, we just want a glorious representation from the old 70s, modernize it, and just make something beautiful. - You know one of the coolest things I got to do in this kind of sphere was, I drove a Hinesi Venom, Wajon Hinesi. - Like the, like the F5 Hinesi Venom. - It has like, it's the 200 mile per hour one. - Yes, the 2000 horsepower car. - So a Hinesi Venom. - It is an American, it is an American hypercar. - Tospeed. - Made in Texas. - What's the Tospeed? - Does it? - 320 miles in a hour. - That sounds crazy to say that. - 300, this car is rated for 300 less double-checked. - For eight seconds before you burn through it, if you'll. - I drove one of these cars. - I think that's the real Wajon Hinesi, and it was like, it feels like you're driving a car at 300 miles an hour, it's crazy. - No, obviously we didn't go that fast. We're excited to red light, just feeling stupid, but I was in this car with John Hinesi, and it's like, to have a car that's from Texas, you know. We said with Hinesi, I thought he said on Hinesi. - Oh, on Hinesi. - John Hinesi. - That's what I said, John's car is crazy. - I have a misspoke, 2,000 horsepower on the Henny. - Yes. - That's what I thought you said. He said with, I thought he said with John Hinesi. - Just getting shit wrecked on 2,000 horsepower. - And a $17 bottle of liquor. (laughing) - It's simulated to theoretically have a top speed of 334 miles per hour. They've achieved a top speed of 272 miles per hour so far. - Which again. - And it looks amazing. It's like, when you see this in person. - What car was your, I can't remember the color when we rode in. - Yeah, Texas, baby. (laughing) - Texas. - And they're American made, we did. - Wild. - Yeah. So that's one of the coolest things I've done in that sphere. But you know, these guys I've met through this stuff again, some of the coolest people. And not everybody talks about their work either. It's like, I think these guys, when they get into this kind of stuff, when they're on the racetrack, when you're these car things, nobody's asking what anybody does. You're just like, again, being kids again. And I meet cool people and, you know? - That's anytime, even at the racetrack of the race school, it was like Matt Frater, CrossFit, Matt. You had never known he was cross-- - You know Matt? I know Matt, the fittest man in the world. - Yeah, you're-- - Oh yeah, Frazier was with us. - That's a race school man. - Yeah, he's a really, yeah, he's a good friend. I was there when he won, was it six that he won a row? - Yeah. - I was there when he won that. And he and I once shooted him a farm. We went shooted to farm years ago. - We'll take a picture. - He had a place in Tennessee. - Yeah. - Or he was working out there with the other guy that won a bunch. - That's hilarious. I didn't know, you know, Matt, Matt's a good kid. - Yeah. - I'll take a picture. - Oh really? - Yeah, cool. - Small world. - Yeah, and she hadn't checked in on him in a minute, yeah. - Matt, who also has a fucking hilarious story, 'cause he was powerlifting and he's like, this doesn't make money. I'm gonna do the cool thing that's happening right now. - Yeah. - Christopher. - Yeah. - He won, like what, six in a row. - Yeah, he didn't like prep for this. He just kind of like did it on a whim. - Yeah, he was like, I'm gonna do this. And I think it was a detest in him up. - He has a lot of experience in that, it's so right. - His parents are like Olympic. - Yeah. [BLANK_AUDIO] And then as you're saying though, it was I was doing Olympic he was doing Olympic lifting He was going to college because he has two degrees. He's an engineer and something else homie's like Hyper smart, but he needed to cash so he did it. He entered a cross fit Matt Frazier. Yep. Yeah. Oh, I'll do this really quick one one money He's like, oh, I can just make money doing this. Yeah, and then this piece fucking donned it and the entire thing Nike contract started crushing well, his first two comps or when he was the fittest man in the world He was living in his mom's basement well being the fittest man in the world for the first two years That's when I met him back in the day. Wow. He's a really good driver too. Yeah, oh, yeah He has no fear like How many of you did not give me yeah, he's got a GT 3. He has a he braced GT 3s I kind of remember talking to him about it. He has two. He has a poor square GT 3 and then he has the Baja Porsche Okay, he's super in a car. Yeah, I call him that super in racing He actually wants to come next time we do a racing school So if you join us, he will be there. Oh cool. Like that's all we talk about he's like when are we going racing though? Eli when we go that's the exit with with all of us. It was him and Eli were neck and neck Wow, yeah, well, I mean the guy is genetically perfect apparently. I mean, I guess you can do everything physical Yeah, him and Eli were in first and second place because they're tiny men That's yeah, I was getting the drag on being six foot two is slow me down last year before my wife got pregnant She was doing the high rocks competitions. I was kind of fell off because someone shit themselves, but She was doing the high rocks competitions. She's like you're you got to do this with me and I was like, okay I'll do it with me and she's like you got to pick a partner and I was like can I bring And she didn't know his name at the time and I was like, okay, I got a partner for you I'll bring someone with me. So anytime I ever do high rocks, I'm gonna bring Matt in and I'll just like smoke a cigarette on the side But like oh, my partner's done. Okay, I'll do my little bit. Okay, I'll let Matt do his and just win the entire Constitution. It's a really good idea. It's like what I'll do with these ones Matt. You just carry me Just do your thing. Just do your thing a time crossfit champions Dude is a fucking monster man What a fantastic episode. Oh, where can the people find you if you want people find it? You on social media on Instagram I'm Chris G. Barrett. So Chris G Barrett and Yeah, I wish I had something to sell all your people, but I don't like Just good times. Thank you. They'll sell you good times $20 come on show I got a hundred You're an absolute pleasure. Cody you want to close out? Thank you guys for joining the unsubscribe podcast today I was joined by Eli double tap Chris Barrett Brandon Herrera My buddy Queen King throughout myself don't operate. Thanks so much for being here. Love you. Thank you guys You