Brandi Carlile

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But before we start this interview, we always talk to a person who knows our guest and wants to give me a question to ask this guest. And boy, we have a star in her own right, an incredibly talented singer, a songwriter musician from Texas, Marin Morris, Marin, you know, from all of her hits, from the high women which she performed with Brandy, and she's just incredible. And we are so thrilled to have Marin with us today, so Marin, hi, can you hear me? This episode is brought to you by Caesar. Dog parents, what do you have on the menu tonight? If you're looking to serve your favorite four-legged friend, high-quality, wet dog food, they'll be genuinely excited about, we say, just eat Caesar. Whether it's a protein-rich beef recipe on Monday or a savory chicken and vegetable dinner on Wednesday, Caesar offers a variety of delicious meals made with freshly crafted, slow-cooked ingredients all designed to support your dog's everyday nutrition without compromise. That's real variety, real ingredients, and real excitement at meal time. So if you're looking to serve a meal, your dog actually looks forward to every single day. They should totally just eat Caesar. For more at Caesar.com, your dog will thank you. Hey Marin. Hi. How are you? Where are we talking to you from? I am on tour right now in the UK, so I'm playing a show in Manchester tonight, so I'm backstage. Oh gosh, you're in pre-show mode. Yeah, but I got ready a little bit earlier today to look okay for you. And yeah, it's kind of nice weather today, like breezy, good walking weather, but yeah, I'm excited. We're talking to Brandy Carlyle today. Really appreciate that you're here to talk to us about her because the work that you did together with the High Women was so special. When did you first meet Brandy? Well, thank you so much. I remember when I met you at that Beatles event. You had mentioned that you loved the High Women album, which was that record. I think a few months later I was on the tonight show talking to Jimmy, and he brought up the picture of us. And I was so embarrassed because I was crying when I met you. I already had like three glasses of wine. Oh my gosh, you're so sweet to me that night. Of course, it's such a pleasure to meet you. I love your music. Thank you. But yeah, the High Women record. That was like pretty early in my relationship with Brandy. I think we just clicked. And we met randomly at this event in Nashville where I was receiving an award for something, but they were also doing a bunch of duets that night. And so I remember Brandy and I both sang Carol King also with the Franklin's. He made me feel like a natural woman. And having been a Brandy fan since probably junior high, being able to sing that song with her and just go toe-to-toe vocally was so fun. I think it was probably a few months later, Brandy called me. And it was like the day or the week my second record was coming out. And I was at 30 Rock. I was at the tonight show like randomly. And just in the dressing room about to go on, she calls and she's like, "I'm putting this girl group together and I want to know if you want to be a part of it. It's going to be me, Amanda Shires and Natalie Hempi." And I was like, "Uh-huh." And she goes, "It's kind of like a tribute or extension of the High Women, like the Willie Nelson, Chris Christofferson, Johnny Cash, Waelin, Johnnings, record." And I was like, "Oh, my, I'm in. I didn't really have any more questions. I didn't have any questions." Amazing. And it was just, yeah, like a sort of microcosm event because we did that one album. We did a few shows. We did like Newport folk festival, brought out Deli Parton, which was insane. But a lot of these really major career moments, like the eye treasure that are my crown jewels are the High Women experiences. What was it like singing with Deli Parton? You need to interview her. I think that would be. Okay. Yeah. Sure. Deli, Marin said that we would be great together. She just moved from the long list to the short list. Yeah. Deli anytime, anywhere. Oh, yeah. She's just a legend and a real hero of mine. Was she like to be around? I think very few people, I'll include you in this, um, exceed your expectations. When you have such a surveyed, like, history watching someone or being inspired by someone from afar. So, yeah, just exceeded expectations is, uh, really punctual. I love that. Of course she is. Because I put such a precedence on being on time. Oh, wow. Of course, Deli is very punctual. Actually she was early. Of course she was. Can you imagine running late for Deli Parton? That is a stress stream. Like, can you imagine just, like, in traffic and you know Deli is waiting for you? Yeah. Just disappointing her. I just think like, I'd probably quit music, um, totally. Just say, you just call her ahead and you say, I'm sorry, I'm not going to make it in time. I quit. I quit music, Deli. Yeah. So lovely and, um, she's obviously just like hysterical dressed to the nines. I, I mean, I assume she's maybe doing her own glam because this is like sort of a not filmed day in the studio, but she's putting us all the shame because she's in full hair and makeup, like, eight inch heels. We're both quite short, um, so we bonded over that. How tall are you? I'm 51. Oh, I'll tell her you, I'm a towering five two. Oh, what's it, what's it like down there? Also, this is something that I hope that I take away when I hopefully do this decades and decades on is that she sings every one of her songs in the original key of the year it came out. Dang. A lot of people have to, as they age and sometimes women, um, our voices mature at like I think they say like 35 or 36. I think about that with songwriters that are people starting to be aware in their 30s and 40s that they need to sing in lower keys. Yeah. I mean, I've found out the hard way, like, yeah, when you go out, yeah, and then you have to do it live. And like, I made this way too high and fast. Yeah. Um, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, just incredible singer, um, Brandy, like really made it happen. I feel like she's, she's reached out to these icons over the years and brought them into a space where we can fall in love with them over and over again. That's what I want to talk to her about is she is really good at exactly that drawing out the heroes of hers and of ours and kind of bringing them in and making them feel comfortable. Like she's, she feels like she's, you said it yourself, she's like a doer, she makes things happen. She's a producer. She's also a good host, you know, she's just making people feel comfortable, but also which I really relate to is just quietly making them do things without them knowing that they're being pushed. Like, she's a pusher to get things done, but everyone feels good when that's happening. That's a rare combination. I think that being able to go witness something really communal and almost like church, but for people that want to come together in a way that feels inclusive and safe for all. And yeah, just connect through these magic vibrations. I think, you know, just that's that's her, her rare gift. That's so cool. Okay, so do you have a question that you think I should ask Brandy today? I'm just wondering as she watches her girls get older and she's making music and touring and collaborating and achieving these incredible dreams she has, yeah, the integration of family throughout that, I feel like has always been really at the forefront for her and Catherine. And I'm just wondering like, as her girls get older, because my son's now five and a half, like what is it like when they go to shows now? like are they excited to be? there? Are they proud? Are they over it? That's a great question. And actually, it's a question that, you know, it speaks to the bigger idea of like being a working mother. How does your kid want you to, you know, divide your time and how do you divide your time and how do you make your kid feel really seen? And also how do you pursue your dream and not and be like a good model for what it looks like to be a woman who loves to, you know, loves what she's doing. So it's, yeah, it's, it's the question I think working women are always asking each other. And I think that's what women do so well is they say, how do you do it? And what are you doing? And how did it change? And what did, how did five look different than 10? And yeah. Yeah. Great question. Great question. Marin, I'm of South Slope. You know, I really appreciate that you're talking to us on the, before our show. Thank you for that. No, thank you. It's so good to talk to you. Have a great show, break the leg. Okay. See you soon. Thank you again. This episode is brought to you by Allstate. 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And you're like, I know I have two more awards before my award or whatever. Which is like 40 minutes. 40 minutes. Get you out of your seat. You're like, at S&L, you'd be having dinner uptown. Exactly. They don't even come into your dressing room or give you a warning at two minutes. That's like Brandy. Hi. Hi. I love you so much. Oh my God. Same. I love you. I was very, very excited to talk to you today. And you know, there's a million things I want to talk to you about today. But I want to stay in the present for a second because I'm loving your new record. Thank you. I love all of your music. But this one feels very very, it feels like not to imprint myself on it, but it really feels like it's speaking to me. And you know, it's returning to myself. It came out in October. As we start today, I want to ask you about the push and pull between being like introvert extrovert, your push and pull between being a connector and wanting community and like needing time to yourself. And I was kind of joking with someone that I was saying, what I love about Brandy's new record is it feels like it's like, can I five minutes to myself, please? That's what it feels like. That's in the subtext and not very many people have seen that about it that you have. And I, you know, when I, when I've been learning about you, it's like, you know, you have definite benevolent natural captain energy and you like to bring people together and you, you know, you live with a lot of people, you have a lot of people around, you live a life that's very big and has a lot of people around. And I love that a lot of the songs on this record are about, can I just like figure out what I actually want, like who am I in real time and when I'm alone? Is the music about that? Is the, is a record about what is it like to be alone? Well, it's definitely about who am I when I am alone. Who are you in real? Yeah. Well, I have sort of yet to figure that out. Same. And really? Yeah. Is it because you prefer the company of other people and then don't take the time? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing. So I don't know. Yeah. And I've got to an age now where I've learned that that's sort of seen as maybe unevolved in some ways. And I got kind of self-conscious about it within the last year or two. And went, oh, am I, is, do I have a made up mind in my bit unevolved that I haven't learned who I am when I'm alone? That's so, have you ever thought about doing a silent retreat? I have thought about it. Does it scare you? It just really turns me off. Like, I just find that appalling. I do too. It's like, what? Eight days of no talking. Oh, no, waste of time. I'm doing a podcast that you can tell I like love talking. But yeah, it's like, okay. And I'm always fascinated by people who are silent in general. I'm always fascinated by people who stay still. I do find you have a stillness. You're not a, but again, I'm just getting to know you, but I don't feel like you have hectic energy. No, I don't think I do. And in terms of other than just committing to a lot of things all the time. Yes. And that with my, so my wife would tell you that I am chaotic in that way. Yeah. But like, not to bring up a trim carpentry right away, but yesterday I had the day off. Have you heard about, we've been talking about trim carpentry. Oh, I heard about it. Yes. Kate McKinnon. Yes. Big fan of trim carpentry. Yes. She spoke to you about trim carpentry. Yeah. And, and then I heard that you are also a fan of trim carpentry, but are intimidated by working with wood. Big time because Nick Offerman. Yeah. Friend of the pod, friend of mine, also incredible woodworker. I'm sure he's into trim carpentry. Sure. That you would be. That just seems to me like next level. What does trim carpentry have to do with what we're talking about? Well, the reason I was going to. I had the day off yesterday. And I just spent six hours caulking window trim, just trim carpentry for just six hours. All I was doing was caulking, just filling in gaps with like a bronze colored caulking nail holes and kind of perfecting the appearance of the carpentry. And I was doing it with this guy that I used to plan a band with when I was a teenager. And he's like, what, I guess he's one of my best friends. We only see each other once every few years. But when we do, we just get together and don't talk. Wow. That's nice. There's like a big of Fritos involved. There's like a bad radio station. And there's just some curses event, you know, occasionally when my steak is made. And I wouldn't have done that day. That's not how I would have spent the day if I had had the option to do it alone. I wanted to spend the day with him not talking. Yes. And so that's how I do my time with other people. I'd rather be together. But that doesn't mean that I want to like lay myself down across the puddle like a jacket to spend time with you. We may not talk. You know, your music reminds me of this feeling and the record is too, which is that feeling when you're in another room and you can hear people talking. Like there's a party. I love that feeling. Me too. Because I like the party. I want the party. I want people around. But I want to not be talking. When's your birthday? September 16th. I wonder if that's characteristic of your Sunday. I wonder why are you? What's your sign? I'm a Gemini. Oh, June 1st. Okay. It's a very outward person. I can't understand Gemini's daily. Yeah. That look you just gave me. Every day. It's like, what are we getting? What are we getting? Yeah. I know. What are we getting? What's the real deal? Gemini? Twin city. Yeah. I know. I know. I don't know. You tell me. Did you feel like when you were a kid, I mean, you have eldest daughter energy. You are, like I said, you're a doer. You like to get things done and you kind of quietly motivate people in ways that they don't realize they're being pushed. Stop it. Game. Recognize game. We recognize game. But okay, you grew up in the middle of nowhere. Yeah. Was it quiet? Were you were? And were you alone a lot? It was chaotic. Okay. And I still live in the middle of nowhere. But it was chaotic, you know? Yeah. Moved all the time. Lived in tiny places. A lot of times people lived with us. Lots of friends over. Lots of jam sessions. Just lots of chaos all the time. Unpredictable environments that I really thrive in those. And I still have this like, did you have what was your childhood like? Well, suburban in many ways, but small house and everyone very kind of on top of each other. And we were kind of the house where people would come through. So it's nice that way because people would come over, but busy house. Yeah. Yeah. And I felt like, you know, I wanted to do a lot of hiding. Like a lot of like going into the woods and going like, you know, getting in my bike. He just like, yeah, like balancing quiet time and busy time. But a lively house full of a lot of love. Yeah. I just realized my house like, we used to just driving our, my house felt like Saturday night life. No way. People moving giant pieces of furniture. Everything to the last second tons of pressure. Anything could change. Nothing is guaranteed. Do we have a lot of age in the house? I mean, probably I know entirely. I would think, I mean, I would think it's like everyone would be, would fall into that. Waiting till the last minute. So that explains why I love being there so much. Because I'm like, why am I just thriving in this environment? You're just crushing like right before the deadline. Yeah. Just loving it. But that helps with performing, I think, because you just, you know, you can only have like so much time in the day where, I mean, some people spend their whole day getting ready for their performance, but you just have to kind of create like a countdown for the performance. You can't stay performance ready all day. No. And I mean, depending on like what your zone is, like what kind of performer you are to, the element of like risk involved gets really can get really heavy like I know exactly how to sing like so if I'm just almost doesn't matter how high the stakes are like if I'm going to sing I'm going to be okay but I have this theory that that and I mean I could be wrong and this is not to downgrade anybody else's prose but I think that like musicians are obsessed with comedians. Have you not noticed that? Well here's my theory. Okay, tell me. Every comedian wishes they were a musician and every musician thinks they're a comedian. Like I'm really funny. Well, I'm glad they think that. But no, we get along. We get along. Yeah. Because I think we really appreciate what the other does and there's a similarity but also we sometimes feel like I love my some of my favorite memories of SNL is watching musician. Like I just am in awe of what musicians get to do but what do you think? Why do you think we kind of love each other? I think that you know musicians kind of worship comedians because of the risk that they're taking. Like we know what it means to do our thing and then have that die to no reaction. And and then I think comedians just just think they're at the top of the pyramid. Because they're so indulgent. Well and they also are like the cockiness to your point. You have to be cocky to get out there and bomb or you're really in trouble. I mean what do you do? It's like it's like I like I said I can sing no matter how high the stakes are and if I'm going to play 12 songs it's not the 12 songs I'm afraid of it's the 15 seconds in between the songs of what I have to say. That's what I'm afraid of. Okay that's that's why I'm not a musician because I would have no problem with that. No problem but the singing. Yeah. So if we like recreated it and go goes like if we were a band together your banter and my singing would be unstoppable. You know this is early in the interview but I want to talk to you about your heroes but can we just talk about the indigo girls for a second? All day long. Okay first of all the fact that one of them was called Amy was already like a dream Emily and Amy. They you just you heard them like when you were like a teenager right 14 15 and you said that they really motivated you to pick up a guitar. I mean you were singing 100 percent. Yeah. What was it about them when you heard them? Because I have a theory about what it was for me like what I why I was and it's the same way I feel about your music. So go ahead you first. Well I heard their voices first in that film Philadelphia. They were covering that Rodster. I can tell by your eyes that you've probably been crying forever. And I was like what is that tone like they don't sound male or female they don't sound like they're singing to the same people that everyone else is singing to. There was just something galvanizing about their voices and the way they were making music that just like pulled me out of myself as like a 14 year old made me curious about who they were. It wasn't even one of their songs. And that's when my friend from school of Brianna Grayco loaned me her Swamp Affilia CD and I was like what is this listen to these harmonies like who's singing when it's staggered it's out of it's amazing you know and the drums really what I was just a became so obsessed with their musical complexity and harmonies that I just became devoted and a disciple. I went to everything they ever did. I sat in the line all day like from morning till night as a major fan still a major fan what drew to you to them. I guess sometimes it feels like there's different artists. There's artists that are in their own simulation their own kind of world and you get to come in and peak but they're in their worlds like right like it has a style of dress and a style of speak and like a presence or a culture around that. And you can visit their world and you get to just peek in and then there are artists and I consider to you one of them who are relaxed in the and honestly confident in their talent just like they go girls and they say come in come over like come over here and they felt that way we wanted to sing every one of their songs I knew their lyrics I felt like I sounded like them which everybody who sings the Indigo Girls think they sound good they don't we don't but and it's the same with your music like when I sing along your music I'm like I think I'm really good because there's a spirit behind it that isn't that's inclusive and that doesn't like shut the door yeah it's really it's it's it's hard to explain but do you know what I'm talking about they're so unaffected they sound like grown-ass women they always have so like when they open their mouths to sing their actual voice comes out they're not trying to please men or certain kind of women they're not trying to sound like anybody else on the radio there was just something so human about even with the clothes they were in the way that they presented themselves yeah and you're right that does invite you and and also the Indigo Girls they come to you like they're they're famous for like touring the small towns and the Sheds in the community theaters you know me and Dratch played them on SNL yeah I do remember that the Rachel Bratch one scene it never it never came back I don't know and it was the Lance Armstrong comedians Lance comedies Lance Armstrong was the host and Neil Young was a musical guest and we had Neil come in to the Indigo Girls scene and we just were like I think we were just pretending we were doing a talk show probably like you know and it was us in like 14 dogs yeah that's exactly how Amy lives to this day I think she's probably only got eight or nine right now but and I feel like we'll move off the Indigo Girls but I just have to say that it feels like as an alto surprising alto because you would think I don't know I think my voice I think my voice is lower than it is but I think it pitch is quite high but switching to your point switching back and forth like wanting to decide if you want to sing Emily's part or Amy's part can we sing okay let's sing closer to flying oh girl sorry let me get married we could not only do we could we do closer to divine we could do a deep cut we could do anything you want okay here we go I'll try to do Amy's part okay you start from I went to the doctor here we go okay three one two two we'll key what here we in I don't know I went to the doctor I went to the mountains I should be lower yeah so I think you're you're I went that's you I went to the doctor okay yeah two three four I went to the doctor I went to the mountains I look to travel a little bit just a little bit a little bit yeah yeah yeah fucking hell you were you're right there though you're in his zone let's go again just two three four I went to the doctor I went to the mountains I looked to the children I drank from the mountains girl you got it if I had a guitar we would do nothing else the cover in the girls for the next hour I'm totally sweating yeah I'm so sweating that was so exciting who was the first person that told you you had a good voice because when someone says you have a good voice like you remember it for a lifetime no one's ever asked me that before think it was my grandma to Laura's or or my mom and then definitely me I really felt like I had a good voice like seven years old fucking great but I didn't when I listen back to it now I'm like what is that seven yeah yeah you know but I actually got on stage for the first time as like an eight year old I got in like a community theater show all the Northwest Grand Ole Opry where we reenacted the Grand Ole Opry so cute and you go on Wednesday night and you teach the Opry band your song and then they get you out on Friday and Saturday and I was like the only kid and and I did Tennessee flat top box by Rosanne Cash and I just remember like the very first time I did that I walked down on stage and I wasn't nervous I had glasses on and I can remember the lights in my glasses and seeing the kind of silhouette of like 300 people and being like this is where I belong this is the safest most understood and loved place I could I could ever I could ever be like this is my job now and it just never it never went that just stayed wow and so the audience told you that you could sing like in that moment the audience was like yes we accept you here you're great yeah you knew it oh so great and the whole thing they would come up to you at the end of the show and you'd sign their program and you'd sign your little autograph and I just remember thinking yeah no this is it this is my job wow that's awesome I mean that's a that's a good example too of like feeling calm in stressful situations I tend to get like you I'm I'm not so nervous when I'm doing something sometimes after it's done I have like this discharge of nerves does that happen to you I was reading an an article in the guardian that is It was such a smart article and it made me feel so like stupid but kind of proud to be stupid Where it basically says that like that what you're talking about is totally necessary in terms of performers These like it's such a unnatural thing to have your your psychosympathetic nervous system to do what we do That you have to lack an element of contextual intelligence to do it I like it. I like it. They liken it to like people that can do penalty kicks and like free throws It's like we have this thing where we don't think anything could go wrong It's totally and I'm just and I kind of dissociate in a way of like whatever way what's the worst it can happen? I can't exactly yeah, and then if something does go wrong So if you do miss the free throw or you do miss the penalty which you do all the time, right? You don't think well of course I did the most chances are I would it's a tiny ball tiny net would it you just go That was weird. That'll never happen again, and it's like that that repetition of stupidity is what does us are I mean like SNO is a really good training ground for that live performance in general is really good because you have a mistake Do you does this happen to you when there's a tiny mistake? Not a terrible like you don't want something bad But when there's a tiny mistake do you get a little energized? Yeah, like because you're like I got to save it. Yeah, I can do one. I can't do two Yeah, and it's a little bit exciting. Yeah because two mistakes. No But one is like kind of good. Do you remember a mistake that happened when you were performing and you just you know I don't know like a mic went out or someone didn't come and meet get the like and you just had a moment of like pure Excitement and that like the tingle of that. Yeah, but it happens so often there isn't like a notable one There's this guy know that does guitar so like this like guitar solo master and he's a dude that like I've toured with just because if I can have this happen twice in a show It's like takes the show over the top so this dude and he will never have meant this but like he'll start out his guitar solo with like a couple of like Maybe stock licks or just like a couple of notes that are like oh those are tasteful and Then he'll make a mistake and you then it rallies everyone to his to his support like we rage to his side and we go Oh, no, he's he might not have this Like so good. Oh god, and then he looks a little frazzled He shakes his head a little bit and he kind of does the next lick and it's okay and by the end of it He's just shredding and you realize that there's no way he could ever make a mistake But that mistake drawing everyone in not just to listen to him But to like they you want to support him. Yeah, and then his victory becomes your victory So one mistake does that in a performance or a song two mistakes is like she's not prepared It's so true, and you're absolutely like the way you take in the mistake like ha ha yeah I've always felt this about the way you perform and seeing you like the way you talk about yourself and your music in your art And the way you look at like at the business of it all it's supposed to be fun Mm-hmm And if you're relaxed we're relaxed. Yeah, if you're having a good time, we're gonna having a good time Yeah, it's like if the bride has a good time at the wedding. It's a fun wedding like period the end But it's a hard lesson to learn which is Try to rule I mean it's telling people to relax is really hard. Yeah, how do you relax when you're about to perform? How do you like how do you just you just it just comes natural and always has? Well, I used to drink a little bit. Sure And if you drink a little bit and then you stop drinking a little bit Yeah before you go on stage then it's like starting over from never having drank a little bit So that sucked. Yeah, I don't drink anymore. It's like I can't I can't handle it. I mean like it just I just get too drunk too fast Drink a lot of things really fast like I'm like a camel. Yeah No, I know what you mean. I could like I just a little bit and suddenly you're like oh, I am not on my game Yeah, I'm not a sharp right and then it's like the spiral afterwards That's I can't deal with and then like pretend the spiral just happened in front of like you know a few thousand people Oh, yeah, like whatever you say like you have to like stand by that the next day. So that's not right You're right. We're back to the few minutes before between the song back to the few minutes. Yeah between the song right Where you decide to get like overtly political in like an ironic ironic way or or you just you make the joke and you know You were in the pick of destiny. Yeah, Tennessee. Yeah, I might tell the story again I just told the story on stern a little. Oh, you already told me I don't want any stern I don't want any sloppy stern Stern seconds, but you are in but you got to tell when you I love Howard But when you when you're on stern you got to give stern a good story like you got to bring some meat to I'm going to tell you the story and you can let it out if you want to but I just think that you appreciate it Okay, because we are on the subject of drinking and then getting on stage in front of people. Yeah So I thought everyone had seen the pick of destiny and I mean I'm in to be offensive But like not everyone has seen and people we should be about just jack black and Kyle gases tenacious D. Yes, so jack black is in a band Called tenacious D which made a movie called the pick of destiny, which is a real cult classic But it was my favorite movie and I have memorized every line and these guys because this was like how I you know I was in bands like this they have to win the battle of bands because they have to pay their rent But they're never going to win the battle of bands without the pick of destiny Which is like a piece of the devil's horn or toenail or something sure So and it's like but to win the battle of bands I have got to learn a couple of moves and one of the moves is called the rock slide the other moves called the cock push up Yeah, they used to do cock push up and so My audience didn't see the pick of destiny, but I believed everyone had seen the pick of destiny Right, so I was in Las Vegas. I was on stage and I was having a few drinks and I decided to jump off the drum riser And my Wendy's their knees just didn't hold they just buckled And so I kind of like went on my knees and I kind of styled it and I did like the the rock back on the knees thing and After the song I stood up and this is the this is why I'm afraid of the 15 seconds between the songs and I said to the audience I said well now that you've seen my rock slide Now it's time for my cock push up This is a good this is a good story for siren and that That didn't go over nobody knew Nobody knew my friend. He was telling you know a couple thousand middle-aged lesbians So I don't drink anymore Are you done drinking? I know it's done. I'm done drinking and working. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah It's harder as we get older. Yeah, I just think it's like everything is harder and and everything is better Yeah, like it's bet. What's good about getting older? Well, I mean I think it's traveling with this migraine medication in my pocket at all times You know sure not a sponsor not a sponsor. No, it's unsponsored, but that's just there. Yeah. Okay. So I can't really drink Um, so can we talk about these packages? I'm gonna How do you get into it? You rip it apart with your teeth because you're desperate. Well, that's because you have your own teeth Not everybody has their own teeth So what were you asking? Okay, so anyway, yes getting older Every year I get older. I love being older more than I love to being younger. Yeah me too. I just love it I like everything. I like the way that my reverence has grown and sense of humor has changed I choose myself in more situations. I like the way my face looks. I like, you know, I like it. Yeah me too I mean, I don't think enough people talk about it. They just don't talk about like I mean 50s have bottom 54 it the 50s Have been my favorite decade. Oh by far. That's what I think is gonna happen. Well by far my 50s birthday was so fun I mean, I know there's a lot that comes along with it and especially for people who don't feel like they're in the place They should be like that feels really Heart can be really hurtful and stressful Where they're not with the person they should be with or they've had a lot that they've gone through But I don't think enough people talk about How it just can get better and better and better. We're just so we're so obsessed with youth, you know Yeah, we're really we really and I love young people too. Yeah me too. I love I love young people And I'm always like oh enjoy that space be there. You know, and I have kids too And I'm like oh my god be a kid be a kid. Yeah, but if I'm really honest, that wasn't my favorite Part of my life. Yeah, you know, I walked in front of a bus tomorrow And I got to like my life flash before my eyes. I think I probably see the last five years Yes Yeah, very cool. Yeah I mean, there's a lot of young people that love you and Relate to you and feel seen by you And love your music and you do this thing. I think for a lot of people where you bridge um older artists and bring Them back into this like present world and there's a you know a million people that you work with incredible artists First of all, what is it like to work with your heroes like Elton John, Joni Mitchell like when you meet them How do you manage that feeling of Indigo girls where you are like I was a young brandy was a fan waiting outside and now we're together and I'm gonna, you know, I'm kind of Helping produce this thing we're doing together. How do you what's that feeling like how do you do it? That's a really good question and it's a sacred feeling It's a really sacred feeling because like and I guess also the older I get and the more young people do come up to me And say things to me that I remember saying to my heroes it like I'm I'm that kind of fan like I'm a weight outside doorbuss kind of fan. So like I'm hearing these words and I'm like I remember those words and I'm just remembering like I'm just understanding how full circle life can be and how human we all are. I actually don't see I don't even understand like what a fan is without the context of me you know because everybody that like I I really idolize like I've got to be friends with and so there is a part of that that never goes away and it sort of like sneaks up on you like Deja Vu or something you'll be in an interaction that is feeling totally normal and then suddenly one thing will flash through the room and you'll be like oh my god this is Elton Drop yeah and it's like those moments are I really cherish them I just grab them and hold on to them and I go yeah yeah you did it you did it yeah and it's an indication that you're still in touch with that part of yourself like you don't feel like above it or beyond it or over it yeah it's really cool yeah and staying in touch with that part of myself keeps me honest in my responsibility within my job to to other people that like my music and and you know by that concert ticket and get the babysitter and and you know get dressed up and go out for the night like I'm really gonna show up for that gig because I just understand what's Elton like I've never met him he seems incredible like also he's always discovering new artists yeah always like he's really in a new music all the time you've never met him no see that's the other thing is most people have met Elton because he's so social and he's just so like you will meet him and like real extrovert absolutely love him total extrovert but like one of those people that's reached maybe the most iconic status that you can possibly reach with absolutely no trace of narcissism whoa I know like he's competitive and he's intense and he knows he's Elton John I love a competitive person oh god I know so to why I mean I gotta get a get a get a get a get a want to try to win a little bit but he will ask you questions yeah and listen to your answers and be just genuinely intrigued like by you you know and that's why he's discovering all these younger artists yeah he's just an exceptional man yeah once in a once in a millennium man and you and you've worked with Dolly who just that's another one what does it like to sing next to Dolly what does that feel like it's Dolly Parton she's impeccable she does not miss so the standard is like so high like Dolly is the boss and so when I show up for Dolly like I show up on time buttoned all the way up to the top button and I don't miss I know everything I'm supposed to do and she doesn't like ask you to meet that standard but it's there like Dolly is high expectations and yeah she's just amazing amazing and the work you've done recently with Joni by Joni's side is just so cool it felt like you were you were the professional and the fan at the same time that's such a nice thing to say all that's such a nice thing to say and nice way to look at it I felt like a student a lot of the time because that music was so wildly complex and inaccessible to me at first even though I was a fan of it I had never had to get inside of it and learn phrasing and learn you know the key changes the melody it's a rollercoaster the melodies are rollercoasters you don't having those twists and turns ready and then take that and combine it with the fact that Joni doesn't ever like to do the same thing twice and then if she thinks if she thinks you know what she's going to do she's not going to do it so it's a really wild thing getting to sit shotgun next to Joni and as her recovery has progressed and she's gotten more and more and more that way and I see the spirit of who Joni Mitchell has always been more and more every day that she delves into her own music and it must be so cool to talk to like young teenagers who are discovering her for the first time well they come up to me and mask that's probably the thing I end up talking about the most and I love it like I never grow tired talking about Joni and the Joni journey but like younger people and much older people alike that is the thing everyone comes to man says okay look I've got Joni Mitchell's lyrics tattooed on my arm you know like really like Gracie Abrams like that's how I met Gracie you know yeah I'm also thinking about that sweet performer Benicio oh yeah Benicio who sang the joke with you yeah many times which is and watching it one in a credible song and just the way you know it's not easy to sing with like legends and young people like who are kind of just starting out on their journey like the way you performed with I'm like Chris Farley I'm like remember that that's my question do you remember when you did I do I remember Benicio but like that was such a beautiful moment you and it really changed how does this song change depending on who you perform it with that the well first of all the innocence of that with Benicio I was so impulsive back then I like I would just the school I went to the public school I went to in the town I live in a couple times a year I'll do something for them I'll just go speak in an assembly or whatever you know actually feels good to like be cool in that school yeah no no one was so I you know I went there and like Benicio came up and he sang that song and it was just it was stunning and I was like I'm gonna be on TV next week come with me in New York and I could be so impulsive like the stakes were like I don't want to say they were low but it felt like the stakes were really low like back then like I didn't know what I was gonna wear and I just took a kid from my school with me you know and I remember like it would have been no big deal to me because I'd already been doing it so much at that point you know and when we they say on those what was it what was it Seth or was it okay this is a great question because I tried to look it up Conan I have a laptop okay I can't find it I can't remember which one it was but it was it said late show which could mean 45 different shows yeah they had the word late in it and I thought it was Jimmy Fallon but then it might have been coming sure it was late and it was a white math I should be able to find it but I cannot find it and also I'm not great at looking things up well they in those in these shows which I love doing they say you can go you can retake if you need to but you don't you're not supposed to yeah so um yeah but Benicio froze and he totally froze and we walked backstage at at the thing and he was just crying and I was like Benny I understand you know it's like you're so young and maybe I don't know I should have talked to you about this a little bit more it's okay like listen you're not supposed to retake it but let me go out and see if they'll let us do it again and they did and so the band went back out reset up and we we did it again and I just the real lesson in that was like if there was anything about that that was I think really good for Benicio's growth was that that mistake that failure that moment of you know catastrophe turned into like a total triumph it was so triumph and that makes so much sense because your joy in the way he was singing with you like you could feel it in that performance and it makes a lot of sense that you were like really excited that he was nailing it yeah and it was twice the victory because he got it together like yeah we have to do we have to pull it together and just that's what winners do yeah I mean not like it's competition but well then Benicio can I ask you your relationship to your hair because I it's a deeper question for me about how we all play around with our mask and fem energy basically yeah yeah totally and you you know when you were young watching little fair and then when you came out as an artist like when I first saw you you know you had like long hair and I'm curious how how you have changed and how your hair has changed and like are they connected yeah and that's such a like interesting and intuitive question like no one has ever asked me a question like that before but and I'm very conscious of my hair so I mean to I mean I think I think hair is political right yeah and it's interesting our relationship with it and it changes all the time and we're telling people we are right through it yeah well somebody asked me recently about coming out about like when I really truly felt like I had like stepped into my authentic self and I just without even thinking about it said when I cut my hair when I cut my hair and at that time in my life yeah if you saw in the lowest doc I had like a little boy like almost buzz cut like haircut and I loved it it was so freeing I loved having it off my neck I loved that my mom hated it I loved everything about like that haircut yeah and then yeah and then I I've I definitely have played around with and felt comfortable moving in and out of kind of gender representation throughout all of my adolescence and a lot of times it would depend on my girlfriend like what girlfriend I had and like what her hair was like but I've always liked how I looked and changing that and and asking myself if I liked um you know where I was at and yeah hair is like the first thing it is to address yeah you know we kind of make jokes in in the world where like someone has the same hairstyle for 40 years yeah but what's behind that yeah what's behind that is like a fear of like if I change yeah well - Will I recognize myself? - Right. - Will I recognize myself? Because so many people want to, you know, they want to feel younger. They want to feel like the version of themselves when they were feeling the best about themselves. - That's what happens. - I know in so much of it is hair. And like we make fun of like men with comb overs, for example, right? Like we make fun of people who like won't let go. But like, I don't know. It's just there's a lot of self esteem that comes from hair. - I'm like making any sense here. - No, you're making this like too much sense. Plus I do feel like for me, if I wanted to grow my hair, I don't think it would grow long past a certain point. - Yeah. - I feel like it would like actually physically just be like, nope, you're getting a bob. (laughing) - Just gonna split at the ear. - Totally. - But no, I know what you mean. Like that is something that comes in all the time and then add queerness to that. - Mm-hmm. - You know, and like the gender issue that you so intuitively pointed out to that. And then it can get like another layer of complication for sure. But I have definitely seen that when a central core group of lesbians will like, sort of like set a trend for themselves and not alone, by the way. Usually it takes a team like it does with me. But then you will start to see lesbians everywhere looking. Like I've noticed that me and Kate McKinnon are morphing into each other in more ways than one. - I didn't say it. (laughing) - Okay, I wanna talk to you a little bit about touring. You really nicely came. When Tina and I were on tour, you really nicely came one time and did our show, which was so nice of you. - I don't think you know how enthused I was to get to do that. I don't think what I did to get home so that I could do that. - Oh, Brandy, thank you. - It wasn't even a thank you thing. It was like, it's a thank you from me. I was so excited to get to do that. I love you guys so much. You said famously that like your, first of all, I love everything you've done. All the movies and everything. - Thank you. - Take a destiny stop right now. Take a destiny, definitely. But you said the best SNL cast to the one when you're 13, not for me. It was the late '90s to mid-early 2000s. That is my SNL cast. So you guys are like everything to me and I was so excited to get to go there. - We had an amazing couple years. I gotta say, when I look at who I was on SNL without the time, it was crazy heavy hitters. - Anna, Maya, Yutina, Rachel. I mean, well, her ratio. - Yes. - Did you cross over with Chris? - Chris Tan, yeah. - Just, I don't know. I was all I'm saying is that you can cut this if you want, but I'm just such a fan and to get to do that with you guys. - It's funny that you're very appreciative. - Just yesterday my kid was eating mango and he was like, do you want the mango? And I was like, do you want to have the mango? And he was like, what? And I was like, oh, there's a character named mango. You want to have the mango, I'm gonna show it to you. I was like, you have no idea. You haven't met mango yet. - Yeah, no. - And so, but touring is its own thing and it's own, and I'm sure you have it down. You've toured a million different ways and you've figured out how you like to tour. What do you like about touring and what have you adjusted now to make you like it even more? How do you adjust it? Brandy style. So you know what I mean. Oh, if I'm gonna be in the city, I'm gonna make sure that I don't visit anybody and don't do anything but just do my show or I'm gonna back time three hours from the show and make sure I have a steak or whatever. - Yeah, well, it's changed so much because you've accumulated people and restaurants and places and parks and walks and little, you know, urban rivers to fish in, in my case. - Yeah, you think they fish. - You like to fish. - Yeah. So I've acquired memories in each of these places. They're my place now. And so yeah, I go there and I do all those things. And now that I'm older and I can't sing as uninhibitedly as I used to when I was younger and I used to just blow my voice out all the time, I'm really careful about days off. So I wind up getting a day off usually in most cities to sort of experience it. One thing I can't do is sleep all day. That's not good for me emotionally. And like I said, I can't do too much drinking. - Yeah. - And let's talk about sleep for a second. - Yeah, sleep, man. Do you like it? We gotta do it. - Do you get it now? - I do. I do. - What do you do? What's your bedtime routine? - Okay. Well, it involves a heating pad. - Do you know about the bio-mat? - Yeah, you know, Alanis Morse, that just sent me one. And it's life changed. - It's changed. - My, first of all, it's impossible to get up off of it. Once you get out, it sucks you in. Like. - Yeah, and you gotta be so careful not to bed rot when you're not sleeping. Like don't go back to that bed. - Yeah. - Once you get out. - Do you put your bio-mat in your bed? - I'd be careful. - I'd be careful. (laughing) For those people that know, no, there's many versions of it, but it's basically like a giant heating pad that has crystals in it or whatever. - Yeah. - Whatever they say. - And it grounds you and it's incredible. - Yeah, it's incredible. And I love a heating pad like I travel with one, you know, but my bedtime routine is, yeah, I get on the heating pad. And I take a melatonin gummy. - Nice. - And I talk with my wife and me do the debrief of the day. - That's, I think, so important for, I just think that's so, I don't know, do you do that? - Yeah, I love the, I love the being able to kind of review, like have a review. - Yes. - Of the day. - Get out of your own head and the way that you saw yourself in your own behavior, hear somebody else's take on it. - Yeah. - If you're developing conspiracy theories about other people or starting to crystallize into like weird political, you know, belief systems. - Yeah. - You learned, you went down a rabbit hole or whatever, and then you just, you have a conversation with a human being that knows you, at night. - Yeah. - And it's a real head cleansing experience. - And it's also a time where you can kind of decide like, I'm gonna drag some of these things to trash and then some I'm gonna kind of take with me to the next day. - Yeah. - Like some I'm gonna just kind of talk through and they're gonna float away. - Yeah. - And other things I'm gonna remember and keep. - Yeah. - And you kind of dream, calibrate. - Yeah. - And then you go. - Do you wear an eye shade? - Yeah, lately. - Interesting. Ear plugs? - No. - I feel claustrophobic when I put in ear plugs. - Yeah, same. I can't do ear plugs. And eye shade, I can't really do either. - What's your sleep routine and do you get enough? - I try to get so much. I love sleep so much. - All I think about is when can I get sleep and like how many hours can I get and-- - What's your mattress? I, that's where I'm, I need some help. - Okay, I got some lots. - Really? - Tell me. - Okay, so I'm a big mattress person. The first, the very first thing I did when I made any money was by every single person I know mattress. - Whoa, that's such a baller move. It was like, it was like when temperedics first came out and I didn't have that much money. Some of my finance. You're like, I'm gonna get this made someday. - Yes, exactly. - That is awesome. - But I could, because of the sleep thing, like, you know, but that was like, that was when temperedic first came out. So I was like a big temperedic person. I do not get paid, but temperedic. - Yes. - But I, yet, but I bought everyone a temperedic mattress and lately I've really been into this other mattress called the Purple mattress. - Hold on. - So these two. - I need a new mattress. - Okay, these are the ones. - And, and a new mattress is one of those, like, adult things that literally feels impossible. Like you're like, I guess I can never get it. Like, I'm really good at adulting. I get a lot of stuff done. I'm not a procrastinator, but something about a new mattress. I'm like, I guess I'll just never get a mattress. - Why? - I don't know. I guess they're hardly hard to lift in the room. - Okay, what do you like about this mattress? - Well, I mean, tell me this mattress. - Okay. - The Purple mattress? - Sure. - Okay, so it's anything that feels like this, like, zero gravity mattress situation where you, like, I, in my mind, I tell myself, if I'm not, like, pressed up against something hard and my, like, blood can flow freely throughout my body and my circulation is good, then I'm healing when I'm asleep. - So you, like, you don't like to you, like, a softness, then you don't, like, affirm mattress. - You know, it's, like, less blanket's more blanket. It's just, like, a combination of things. But I just think that, like, temperpidic and purple, these two mattresses, I provide this kind of zero gravity feeling where if you wake up in the middle of the night, no part of you feels pressed up against something else. - Yeah. - And also if we ever sleep in the same bed, which I feel like it's a possibility. - Don't touch me. - Don't touch me. Don't touch me. - Don't touch my other people when I'm sleeping. - No touch. - No, absolutely no touching. Well, I'm, also, I'm a certain age. We're, like, I have to find cool spots a lot. - Yeah. - Okay, like, I think it's very hot. - Uh-huh. - So, and I don't like to, I don't like touching. And also, I've said this many times for a podcast and I'm sorry, I'm saying it, but I wear a CPAP machine. - Oh. - I see. - So. - Thanks, Mom. - Thanks, Mom. - And because I have sleep apnea. (laughing) - We are so hot when we go to bed. (laughing) - So we're taking a, I think that's going to relax. - I'm asking, no, you're plugged. - It's going, yeah. - Special match. - No, we're having CPAP machines. - Blimey. (laughing) - So hot. (laughing) - That's the, like, I mean, (laughing) - That's true love, actually. - It's you ever, whoever can get past that is really true love. - Yeah. (laughing) - But what's in your rider? Do you have a rider? - Yeah, I do. - Anything fun? - No, it's so boring. Like, I'm just, I really don't know if it means you're a normal person. - Very boring to you. - No, people that have weird riders feel, honestly, it feels like it's a stressful way to get people to run around for them. - It is. - Yeah. - Because you know my best friend, her job was riders for a while. And that's kind of when I was like, no, my rider is like normal. It's like-- - It's tough, yeah. - It's like, I need an avocado. - Perfect. - I need lemons. - Yeah. - I need just some, like, (indistinct) - Yeah. - And it's got to be cold. And then, like, tuna salad. - Love that. - Every show, every, I always have to have. Tuna salad and bananas. And I don't like any of those things. But they are part of my routine. But I have to have them. Okay, well the rider question brings me to, we do this thing on the show where we have people who know our guest, zoom with me before I talk to our guest to speak well behind their back and also to give me a question. So we talk to Mary and Morris today. I love Mary. I know. I do too. And I, I mean, the high women were, that is such an incredible, such a great example of you and all of those women, of course. But like women working together in real time to make really cool stuff and everyone saying yes right away. And Brandi being the one that's like, let's do it. I'm going to make it happen here. The dates, let's go. And then making this great record and performing with Dolly, like it just feels like that whole experience was so awesome. Was it? It was. It was not uncomplicated. Yeah. But it was awesome. Yeah. And just like something I am so proud we did. And actually it's something I think we should do again. Yeah. Because it's like that combination of women was really interesting and wild. And I want, I want that back in a way. Especially as my, well, as my girls are getting older, I just, they were so little when I did it. And now, you know, that they are where they are. I just want to, I want them to watch us do it. Yeah. I think they'd really learn from it. And then our, our kids, you know, like we did that Marin didn't have a child yet. And, you know, it's like now they're also big. Mercy's big and San Jo's big. And my kids are getting big. And I just, having a girl on the, on the press specific being a teenager, I think it would be really neat thing to show them. Well, that's exactly what Marin's question was. Is she was basically saying like, you have two daughters, you're watching your girls get older, they're coming to your shows. Like, like, you know, her question was like, you know, any advice, you know, because you know, Marin's got a little boy. And just, and, and well, we were talking about was even extrapolating from that. It's just this idea of like a working mother, like how do we figure out how to invite our kids into the world and show them, you know, it's such a great, it's such a great thing to watch your mom do what she loves to do. It's a big deal. Yeah, it's a big deal. And especially for young girls. So when they come and watch you, do they, what do you think about when they're, when they're around you when you're on tour? I know you've brought them, of course, many times on tour. Like, what are you thinking about now with your daughters and, and, and what you want them to see? And what do they, do they like watching you perform? The girls like watching me perform. They're both really into sports, which is mystifying to me, because I never, you know, but like they were like watching the world series and they were crying when the Mariners got defeated and now they won't ever even go to Toronto because they're so mad at the blue jays. And like, I have no feelings about sports whatsoever. But I'll take them to a game, and then I'll watch them watch that. And I'm like, you know, the concerts don't really register in the same, well, it's just how do you, how do you rebel when your mom's rock star is, and you become a jock. I hope this is about some kind of things to come, but they, they seem more like, and this is occurring to me as I'm saying it, they seem more excited by and interested in the way I interact with fans as a person, as a public person, then actually how I do music. They're more interested in the fact that I'm a little bit famous than whether I'm a good or bad singer. And they're very interested right now in the way my music interfaces with politics. Oh wow. And maybe that's why I'm so interested in Marin's question and in being a part of like another chapter for the High Woman, is I think they would really like it. Like their favorite, very favorite song from my album is Church in Stay. They loved the SNL performance and they're very proud of that. Even with their limited knowledge, you know, they know there's a struggle and that our family is a part of it. And they're very proud of that. And more interested in that than they even seem to be the musical aspect. And they probably are just figuring that out that, oh, my mom's art, the her job is speaking to that. I bet they're just figuring that out for the first time. They are. They like it. Very cool. Yeah. And that's, they seem to be just energized about about those kinds of things. And it does sort of translate to their behavior in sports and stuff. I took them to like a Seattle Rain, a soccer game. And they were just took on a life of their own. And you're not song you without me from my album. Them in sports is you without me moment. I don't know who they are when they're screaming those things. And they're like, be aggressive. Be aggressive. I'm like, no, don't be aggressive. But they're like, that's a chant, mom. Yeah. That's a chant, mom. They're like, we're, we're it's good. But that's so interesting. No, because I feel like you have a, you have a, you are, you know, and positively competitive. And you have a, a player's attitude toward your work. I'm driven, but I'm not competitive. Like, okay, you're not crazy. No, it's actually annoyed. It's annoying. I think. Interesting. And I think it puts me a little bit on the outs with my, some of my friends, even like my relationship with Elm and he's constantly annoyed by my lack of it. But if I'm up for an award and somebody else beats me, I mean, I'm deflated for like three and a half seconds until they get up and do their speech. And then I'm like, fighting back tears from like feeling so happy for them. And like, I'll go see my own kid play soccer. And I'm just so, I'm so proud of all those little girls out there. I don't even know how to root for my own kid because I'm so, you know what I mean. Yeah. But, but, but you're, you're saying you just have a healthy relationship to competition. Maybe because awards are crazy. And they're crazy. Of course. And, and you go there. And it's like, if you actually, you know, what is winning? What winning is just being at the show and same with, you know, watching like anyone who like yells on the sideline is like total nut bag. Okay. So our, my last question is, and I ask all my guests this, and I know you're a real comedy fan. You're like real learning that. So you have, you probably have a refined taste and comedy is probably something that you seek out, pay attention to and care about. What are you listening to watching a video, a TV show, a movie, old, new, or like what, what makes you laugh? How are you like in these times? Where do you go when you want to feel that lift, honey? I go, I go to a few core movies. I'll go to a few core comedy movies without sounding too retro or old school. I mean, I love Tommy Boy. Oh my god. I love Tommy Boy. I mean, everybody's everything tenacious D. I loved sisters. I felt like that was a really important one for a lot of reasons. And then SNL, I like never miss SNL. I love SNL and I've got my favorite old episodes and my favorite. What's one of your favorite SNL sketches? My favorite SNL sketches. I watch it together. Oh my god. There's so many good ones. One that I come back to a lot is the Lysa Manelli turns on a lamp. Do you ever see that one? Kristen Wig, a total genius. That's a really good one. I mean, let's watch that first. Yeah. I mean, and by the way, hilarious physical comedy, not great for podcasts, but, okay, the title says Lysa Manelli tries to turn off a lamp. Oh, that's what it is. Yeah. I mean, Wig is so friggin' funny. I know. And, okay, let's watch this. I'm also a huge Tracy Morgan fan. Tracy Morgan. Okay, so this is me. You look at it, babe. We've got, um. That's in the kid and goes up in 15 minutes. We got a scum lighter. Oh, sure. I feel delight. Just let me turn off some of these lamps. These lamps are like a ball on the end of a chain. Remember that? Brandy has died. It looks silly. I jumped on a shroud. I love it. I love her. When she was on TV as a young kid, I was like, "Who is that?" Yeah. Lysa, you're very talented. Yeah. She'd stick with it. Lysa, stick with it. Stick with it, Lysa. You picked the right job. And, Brandy, so did you. You picked her. You're the best singer. Congrats on your voice, on this record, on all the things that you're the best. You are the best. Oh, my God. I love talking to our main most interesting person. I really feel I hope this is the beginning of a long friendship. Seriously. I know you have a lot of people live in your house. You have a lot of people in your house. Yeah. One or two more. You might not even notice. No. If you need a trim carpenter, if you're afraid to work with wood, I can strengthen your results. I am. I feel like that's this time around. I'm probably not going to do that. Yeah. But that's okay. God is fair, you know. Thank you so much for doing this. This is so fun. I really loved it. I really loved it. It was everything I hoped it would be. Thank you so much, Brandy. You are incredible. And it was so, so fun hanging with you. And yeah, you know, we talked about so many good things. One thing that we spoke about, which I just wanted to kind of correct or plunge deeper into in the polar plunge was the performance that her and Benicio Bryant did together for the incredible song The Joke, which we all know is one of Brandy's best. And that was on late night with Seth Meyers. And Seth, I'm sorry that I forgot that. I love your work, Seth. I love what you do. I'm a big, big fan. But I can't remember where things, you know, air anymore. And so it sounded like it would be something that you would have done. Great, great idea. Whoever, you know, I'm sure it wasn't your idea. Whoever on your staff said to do it, so smart. And I'm sorry that I might have attributed that performance to another late night show. You're the only late night show I care about. So Seth couldn't grasp on that. And Brandy, beautiful work and listeners. Thank you again for tuning in. See you soon. You've been listening to Good Hand. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weissberman, and me, Amy Poler. The show is produced by the Ringer and Paperkite. For the Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spalane, Kaya McMullen, and Alayah Zeneres. For Paperkite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weissberman. Original Music by Amy Miles.