Bowen Yang Has Room for Potential

- Wave. - That is the universal experience of life. - Yeah, it's gonna hurt. It's gonna hurt. (laughing) - Might be some good stuff in there. Definitely it's gonna hurt. - It's gonna hurt one way or another. - Yeah, it's gonna hurt and it's gonna end. Those are the promises. Caleb, hey, so cool, so true. - So true, and let's put a lot of t-shirt. Life is gonna hurt and life is gonna end. So true podcasts. (laughing) (upbeat rock music) - Oh, and how's it going? - It's great, I'm so happy to see you. - How have you been? Will you tell me everything, how's your heart? What's exciting you? - Hmm, I am convalescing. I'm, oh God, I might be in a permanent state of being in like the formaldehyde. Like I think I have to like, you know what I mean? I have to, I'm really excited to find out. I just have to preserve and congeal and I gotta get like a stem cell graphed on my soul. - You talking about, yeah, what's going on? Tell me about this. - I'm just, I've been overstimulated the last six months. - Yeah, maybe the last, yeah, okay, six months. - And for sure, I thought you were the next six years. (laughing) - It's something about, something about the last six months where my time has been my own and yet what I've chosen to do with it has been not that smart. - It's all on me, it's not, I can't blame anyone else but me. - Well, it's not all, yeah, it's, we have our own decisions but we do live in a society. And like things are, I don't know, we have live in a society, we have a job, we have circumstances. But I really relate, 'cause I've been on a pseudo break. - Yes. - And I've been doing the same thing where I'm like, what are you doing with your time that you have now? - But you've been framing your break in a very wonderful way where you're like, you don't have to answer to anybody. Like this is, I'm the same way right now where I'm like, oh my only job is my low stakes, not that this is low stakes but my like low stakes podcast that I do with someone else who like does most of the talking, one job, be bowing. - One job be bowing and mostly just sitting, listen to Matt. - Yeah, which is not bad. - Not bad, not a bad gig, but I listen to Matt. - No worries. - I have to publicly apologize for canceling on dinner with you. I know the three of us made plans. I'm so sorry. - Well, and I was never gonna bring it up. - I was never gonna bring it up in a public forum. - How did you feel? - I felt like you're busy. - I felt like no big deal at all. - But you know, I, you and Sidney talked about this, like I really wanna be there for friends and for new friends. I feel like you and I have, there's a lot, there's a high ceiling there. - There's a lot of room for potential. - There's a lot of room for what? - Potential. - Potential. - There's room for potential. - There's potential and there's room for growth. - The room for potential is actually really funnier. - Potential gets sneak its way in there. - That's really funnier. - Oh, by when, there's room for potential. - Oh my God. - Why does that hurt and also heal? - I like my friendships, like I like my coffee. - What a room for potential. (laughing) - Just leave room for potential. - What does that mean? - Coffee wise. - Coffee wise. - Well, the potential is like milk creamers. Simple syrup, that's the potential on coffee. - Yeah, and the room for potential is, if it allows for milk sugar cream. - Exactly. And then the room for potential in our friendship is like, if we lock in and get our schedules figured out, we could be going to dinner. - That's our room. - Are you, so, okay. The Michelle in my life, and her name is also Michelle. - Whoa. - She is a big restaurant girl. Are you guys have been in touch, right? No, we've just talked about you. It's like, oh, Caleb's person is Michelle. - We need to put my Michelle and your Michelle together. - You guys would have a key as the gaze say. (laughing) But, so my Michelle, I hate that I'm using the possessive, but I must just sort of linguistically. - The Michelle in your life. - The Michelle in my life, thank you. Yes, person first. - Person first. - I, she is a big restaurant person. - So is, so is Michelle over y'all. - You gotta link up. - Michelle, Michelle and I met in a restaurant. Wait, which one? Oh yeah. Michelle worked there and I went in there all the time, and then when I was hiring an assistant, I was like, would you ever quit this job and come work for me? And she said, she said, you know what, I would. And then she started it and she immediately regretted it, and now she's trapped. You should unionize with my Michelle. - Oh. - Michelle Union. Michelle Union would be slay. - Bowen's team? (laughing) Bowen's team are we on? Can someone do something? (laughing) - Wait, what's wrong with that? - I used to be really pro union. - And now? - And then I started a business and I saw how it can come between you and your beloved employees. - So true. - You can ruin the lines of communication between your family. - Okay, something bomb to me. Oh my God. There's a really crazy thing happening. I might have dreamed it. - Yeah. - So are you guys aware of Casa Bonita, the restaurant in Cora, Cora? - Of course. - Okay, so Trey Parker Mattstone bought it. Got it it during the pandemic, 'cause it was gonna shut, it basically closed during the pandemic. - Yeah. - Huge, mournful thing amongst Colorado and Coloradans. - Now, as a Colorado boy, were you mourning? - I was mourning. I didn't go, so the story of it is, you would everyone have their birthday there. Everyone in Denver, everyone in the state would have their birthday there. - Yeah. - It was a kid. (laughing) - And it's Mexican Disneyland. They did a whole episode about it on South Park. There's cliff divers and there's, you know, mariachi bands, so papias, black parts of cave, there's games, whatever. Unventilated place, food was always not great. - Of course. - Then Trey Parker Mattstone, buy it out. I think they shot his documentary about it. I haven't seen it. Then they put in like 15 million or something in that. It was like eight figures. - Yeah. - Of money into renovating it, bringing it up to code, I guess. - Ventilating it, maybe. - Ventilating it, I think. - Yeah. - I think that's the huge, that's the biggest win. But apparently the workers are currently our unionizing. And who is leading the charge, but Brooke Shields. - She's leading the unionization charge at Casa Bonita. - Yes. And I don't know what the relationship is. What her labor sort of relationship is. But recently she put her name, like put an aliased in, went by her, so I was just hanging out in Denver, went to the strip mall. And she's just like, I'm here to advocate for the workers here because I guess people are getting like hypothermia and like from diving into the pool. - What? - It's, I don't know, I'm actually not smart enough or informed enough to all of that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm immediately going, actually. I've realized I don't know the details and I'm speaking on this. But I bring this up because. - Is it a random that Brooke Shields is like completely random? - I am actually obsessed with that. - I'm obsessed. - What a career. - I have Brooke Shields. - Brooke Shields, we will shout you out. - We will shout you out. - Thank you for your pro union activity at the Casa Bonita in Colorado. - Madlib. - Madlib. - That's how more celebrity should be moving, actually. - Madlib. - Madlib style. - Do some random shit. - Totally. Stop being where we expect you to be and start being somewhere odd. - What is, can we build a madlib for you? - I think I'm living that way. - That's so cool. That's why you're boots in. - That's so cool. (laughing) - Oh my god, okay. Come here. This is how I feel sometimes, and I think you were late. Don't you feel like gay pop culture force gump sometimes? You happen to be at this thing. - Tell me more. - It's like, oh, I met, it's like I just happened to be like standing next to the some like Oscar winning legend. - 100%. - And what the fuck am I doing here? - So this happens to you a lot more than me because I don't go to almost anything. You're much better at being social than me, I think. But it has happened to me recently, quite a few times. And I often catch myself going, well I don't think I was supposed to be here. And I feel like I'm reporting. I feel like I'm reporting. I was sent there to report back to gay people. - Do you know what I mean? - Yes. - My job really here is to go back to gay people and be like, she's amazing. (laughing) I'm supposed to have brunch with Glenn Close so I can go back and be like, she's amazing. - We did it. But then what sucks is if they're not amazing, we can't use this platform for that. - Exactly correct. - And so that's kind of a yoke, that's where trapped. - You can't talk about, then yeah, you can't talk about it and that's the tough part. - You know what got me in my head though, the yesterday was-- - If you don't tell me, I'll die. - Huh? - If you don't tell me, I'll die. - I'll tell you. I, you ever like sit down with like, I just basically got lunch with my manager. And I was just like, oh, I haven't seen anything recently. I needed to like catch up to like the culture. I need to like read like, I guess 5,000 scripts to like know what's what. And so like, I don't have a job either right now. And yet I still feel overwhelmed by like, the ancillary sort of like, extracurricular things. - Yeah. - Extracurriculars, like in high school, were you EC down, extracurriculars down? - Oh, but one. - I was in everything. - Yes, don't remind me. I was in, at one point in high school, I was in, of course, always student council, family, career, and community leaders of America, future business leaders of America, future farmers of America, fellowship of Christian athletes, shout out, which I got removed from for cursing basketball games. And curse words, no good. - Totally. Oh, whatever. - God, what else was I in? I was on the debate, not debate, but it was, - Academic, yeah. - Academic bowl. - Like a quiz bowl. - Yeah, quiz bowl. - Yeah, yeah. - I was in, I played a couple different sports at different times. I was really doing it. -So, this is all leaning, and maybe this is Missouri, this is all leaning like a chief, like it wasn't that performance leaning, was it? -I didn't do any performance. -Oh, I was doing one big performance. [ Laughter ] -And it was insecure about being fat and gay. -Uh-huh. -A guy who pretends to be confident and does everything he possibly can so that people will. -Oh, I can. -Oh, my God. -I even love him, and I didn't do theater, because I was like, "Well, if we're trying to not let people know we're gay, it seems like there's one big way to ruin that." And it would be the fall musical. -But can I tell you, like, I don't think that even saved anybody either. -No. -Like, I don't think there was no good -- there's no perfect program, I don't think, at that age. -I know, but, you know, I feel like there are times when I look back, and I'm especially around all my theater friends who know everything about theater because they've done it forever. -And I don't feel that way, but, yes, go. -But we have a lot of them. -We have a lot of them. -There are times I feel like, "Oh, man, maybe I wish I would have gotten involved in theater and acting when I was younger." Actually, I think the best thing for my creative reign is that I got really involved in bureaucracies. -Yong. -And, like, red tape bureaucracies. -What I should wear power came from. -Yes, I started getting involved in power and elections, and bureaucracies. I'm having, like, one-on-one sit-down meetings with the principal at his request when I'm 15 years old to be like, "Killab, here's what's going on with the student body. What do we do about it?" You know what I mean? That, actually, I think, was so much better for me than doing, you know, guys and dolls. -1,000-- -Do you know what I mean? -You can sit across from some person 30 years older than you and like, work them. -An adult, and, like, learning how adults talk about stuff, and learning, like, you know, like, telling the superintendent, like, "We really want to do this event for this, like, before prom or whatever," and then being like, "We think that's a great idea. You just can't because of, like, this, this, or this." And being like, if everyone thinks it's a great idea, why can't we? You just can't. Like, learning all of that stuff really young was great for my creative brain. -I love that. Now, when you-- when they would tell you, you can't do this prom thing, this pre-prom thing, would you-- when we're presented red tape, was the instinct usually to cut through it, or just to, like, understand and then move on? -My instinct was always do it anyway, asked forgiveness, not permission. -I really-- I've never-- I've always had, like, a-- I have an aversion to authority that is pathological. I hate being told what to do, and I always have. -Love that. -I'm like, I just hate it. I still do. Even-- I have talked about this all the time on the show, but even when I have told myself something to do, I'm like, who the fuck are you? -So maybe-- -How do you override that? -Well, I don't really know how I've gotten to where I've gotten in life, but I think I just go, "Kill it, we have to do it," and then I do it anyway. -Do you-- are you good with authority? -It's interesting. Say that. [ Laughter ] -God, I-- wait, hold on. Let's just sidebar. I feel like Caleb wields stupid gay speak very responsibly. -Oh, Bowen. -Very responsive. -What do you mean by that? -I just feel like you will toss it out in a way that is, like, completely actualized and authentic and real. Like, when I was saying earlier, like, "Y'all would have a key!" It's, like, "Kill it." [ Laughter ] -Oh, Bowen, I love doing you did that. I love doing you did that. -But I'm saying, like, I've never questioned it. -You are too sweet to me, and you have to stop. So you have to stop now. -No. -I can't help it. -You have to stop now. Because I want to know about you and authority, really. -Okay, okay, okay. I would say, okay, so I relate to being yelled at for cursing. -Yeah. -4th grade. Someone threw, like, a dodgeball at my rear end. -No. -And I said, "Don't aim for my ass." -Send to the principal's office. -No! -Just for anatomically referring to my ass as an ass. -This is not right. -And I was, like, at the time, at nine years old, I was, like, this is bullshit. -You're splitting hairs with me. This is fucking stupid. -Exactly. -Exactly. -Yeah. -I wish I had said that. -I know. -Can I tell you? This is something I make myself sick about. Sometimes I think about times I got in trouble as a kid, and what I didn't say. -Oh, still. -You're shatter about things. -Still. -Oh, my God. -I go, I go, like, oh, that time I got in trouble. Because I never-- half the time I didn't feel like I was-- I was getting in trouble for things, like, talking. And I'm, like, well, I'm good at this. -Yes. -And you guys are being boring. Like, I don't know how to talk while you're being boring. So I'll think back and be, like, man, if I had my adult brain now, I could have really taken that whole thing apart. -Oh, 100%. I got suspended my sophomore year for writing in a girl's ear book. -So gay. I was so gay about I wrote in this girl's ear book. I was our bit that, like, we were, like, sexual partners. -And I was, like, me now. [LAUGHTER] -Me, present day. -Me, present day. I'm just, like, literally, it was just, like, we get this, and she got it. I wrote her ear book. Hags, Ashley, can't wait to fuck all summer. [LAUGHTER] I get home from violin lesson. [LAUGHTER] I pick up-- there's 20,000 messages on the answering machine, vintage. -Hello. -And another call comes through. It is Ashley's stepfather. -No. -Who is a huge lawyer in a Rapahoe County. Who gives a fuck? -Not the father who stepped up. -The stepfather who stepped up. -Oh, yeah, yeah, that's-- I understand. [LAUGHTER] -He goes, "This is the stepfather who stepped up, obsessed." Oh, totally. -He goes, "I've been sitting here for hours because there are a lot of yangs in the phone book." -Not he called every yang in the phone book. -He called every yang in the phone book. -What? -Kale loser. Don't you have, like, a brief to read? -You're saying something? -Yeah. -His clients, like, getting strapped into an electric chair. He's, like, he's on his, like, 47th yang. -He was on a mission. And I guess he, like, literally stepped up. Like, it must be compensatory where he, like, she clearly hates him. -Yeah. -He has to show up for her and prove himself in some way. It's, like, I am taking-- that is foul, vile language. I am making it my mission to expel you. I'm taking this to the superintendent. Of the district for sexual harassment of my stepdaughter. And I was, like, she's a hag. -She's a hag. -Your daughter's a hag. -Your stepdaughter's a hag. I don't know what to tell you. -I mean, the daughter who hagged up. -The daughter? [ Laughter ] -And. -The stepdaughter who hagged up. [ Laughter ] -So, like, so then I get to-- So then, like, our Dean, like, brings me to the office. The next are, like, gorgeous lesbian Dean. -Yeah, of course. -Who, like, I could tell, like, was on my side, but, like, her hands were tied. -Right. -But she, like, called my mom. It was mortifying. Like, she's maybe sitting in the room to talk so that we call my mom. My mom is, like, driving on her way to work. And, like, her English comprehension is, like, mid. And, like, she's not totally understanding, like, this Dean being, like, so. Bowen is going to be suspended for five days. -Your mom's, like, he's gay. -She's, like, she's, like, "Oh, okay." And then I just remember, I remember the Dean going, like, it wasn't clicking to my mom, like, how bad this was, even though I was just, like, this is crazy. The Dean goes, "It's very serious." [ Laughter ] And in that moment, I was like, "Oh, you're just a fucking lady. You're just a person. You're just an adult, like, navigating this, like, really weird situation." Like, my relationship with authority is always like, "I can't take you-- I can't take you seriously because, like, we're all, I don't know. We're all, like, yeah, idiots." And I don't know. I kind of moved that way. You're, like, as in now, I feel. I was kind of, like, whatever. Like, I'll say shit, or I'll do things, and I'll, like, piss someone off with authority. And then, like, I'll take them out for our teeny two weeks later. And that's, like, let's patch it up. Everything will be fine. And it was, and, like, the proud thing of me leaving that place, the proudest thing besides, like, the work, obviously, and, like, the relationships and the people, was just the fact that I, like, closed all my tabs by the time I left. Like, everything was sort of, like, hey, like, not a manipulative way, but in just, like, hey, I fucked up back then, and, like, we're good now, right? And then, like, by the end of it, it was, like, everyone was, like, yeah, we're good. Down to, like, Lauren. And I'm, like, yeah. And I've seen him recently, and it's, like, it's somehow, I'm, like, oh, I really stuck the landing there. - That's really sweet. - Anyway. So, but, does this answer the question about authority? - Yeah, it does. - I met Tara the other night. - Did you really? - She is an icon. - Where'd you meet Tara? - We went to a party with our friends, Matt, who was friends with her. - Whitaker. - Whitaker. - Love and Tom, his, his boyfriend, and Josh Arp. And we all went to Zero Child, and it was fabulous. - Oh, John, I was at dinner with Josh and Matt the other night. - Oh, I, wait, yes. How was that? - Horrible. - Too nasty, gay man. - Wait, I know, okay. So, I know, I think you would love Zero Child. - What is it? - We gotta take you. So, it's QNCC, Queer Nightlife Collective. I forget what the second C-Sian's for. - Uh-oh. - Caleb. - But they have this. - Caleb. - Queer Nightlife Collective. - They can do it. - Caleb, Brick it up. - Um, it's cute. It's like they have this door policy that is controversial, where it's like. Bring a woman please. Oh, fine, but in like a like a queer way. Yeah. It's like I love bringing a woman It's one of my big things. I know you love bringing women. Yeah But as long as women bring you sometimes what should they do women bring me? I would love for women to bring me Women bring me to places you couldn't imagine Women bring me to events. I couldn't even believe that I'm at fab. Yeah, women women take me everywhere Women take you everywhere women are everything to me. You know this I Women are my number one type of person Period. I literally I said I think I said on an episode. Yeah, we recorded yesterday And I said if if all girls disappeared overnight, I would kill myself immediately Which is like such a useless gay guy thing to say But it's reality. What would I watch? What would you watch? Who would you talk to who would I talk to who would I look up to? You got dinner with some gay guys though. I got dinner with gay guys But it was a total nightmare all we did was talk about being gay guys. It was awful kidding. I love those guys I mean, yeah, they're both like married though. That's another thing I'm like at this point in my life where I'm like hanging out with so many like Game in that are actually in loving beautiful relationships and I'm like, I thought we all weren't gonna do that what's going on Like we're all agreed we weren't gonna really be doing that and now what's happening? Well before we got on the mic like I know for a different people Gay friends who are having children in the next few months. Yeah, so I'm interested because I think you I think you said I said gay guys are doing babies now and you said I could never. Oh, yeah, I could never really But when you be such a good father, I think you need incredible parents. Oh my gosh a little. Oh, I would love no Why not you be an amazing dad and I will be that's perfect looking forward to it. I'm so happy for I'm so thrilled for the people who are excited for it who will be good at it. I know for a fact It will not be good. Well, okay, so why do you think that is? It's just you just like I don't want to spend my time that way There's something else going on that. It's like I don't know like there's there's like stuff with my parents out I mean we get along Famously now. I love my parents so much, but like growing up. It was weird. Yeah And but that's not on them. It's just on like the design of parent not the design, but like the whole like concept of parenthood, which is like God, it's a troublesome contract. Yeah, like they like they like I would say like fucked up their lives for me That is I've told my mom many many times the fact that she didn't abort me as crazy Wow, and then she stated that like she will my mom only ever wanted to be a mom That's the difference as I'm like my mom wanted to be a mom more than she wanted anything It's her life's like literal joy like it is her purpose and excitement on earth. Yeah, and for me I'm like girl, you could have done so much cool If you didn't have a baby, baby's plural on your hips, baby's on your hips. I know all she'd already had my brother And then when I came around I'm like it's crazy. You didn't abort him Uh-huh, and then cuz she was 17 right and then I'm like four years later You're you're like you know 14 years from freedom and then you reset your clock with this guy and with my dad who was a loser Uh-huh. I mean shout out rest in peace I'm just like that's crazy girl, so then where does this come in for you where you want to have a baby? I love kids so much. I feel I kind of relate to my mom. I do feel like the thing I'm most supposed to do With my life is have kids like I really do think that but I Would be okay if I didn't like I love my life I really really love my life and I would be okay if I didn't blow it up to like raise a person But it's funny that you say the thing about having a complicated relationship with your parents Like maybe playing a factor because it plays a factor for me in the affirmative of like I Because my dad fucked up so many things I actually get really excited about doing it right That's beautiful. Do you know what I mean? Like I'm like oh my god. All those things my dad didn't do well He did some things well, and I'd like to keep those Uh-huh, and then all the things he didn't do well. I'm like oh well now I know So I can like do it the good way like I won't yeah, and I won't be critical and I won't but like I you know, I'll try to Do for my kids what he really couldn't do for me, and you can You can sort of itemize at this point like the the list of things he didn't do well and Totally and then like do the opposite well, and already I do like my dad lived his life in a pretty miserable way like he just was like He was extremely mentally ill and unable to help himself, and I wished at every turn of our relationship and really tried to get him to get help But he just wasn't able to and so he just was a miserable guy Yeah, and I'm like I already have taken I already lived my life different than that. I already don't blow up Like I'm not a rage a holiday. I don't blow up over nothing. 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Like this is 15 seconds about a rental car is actually like, this is worlds of progress. - Of course. - And then I move on and I go, hey, sorry about that. (laughing) - Pretty quickly, quick and acknowledging and remorseful. - So cool. - These are like massive changes from the way that I was raised. - Yeah. - So I go, that's fine. - And look, you've already broken the cycle. - Hello, hello. - Wake it up. - Wake that up. - What did you experiment rage with? - What an experiment. - Like how did you dump these tests on myself? But like, there were just so many, so many moments just professionally and, I don't know, like, relationally with people where I'm like, that is fucking crazy that you, that this would happen to me or that would not happen to me. But you know what I mean? Like, this circumstance, what should, could, like, make me angry. - Yeah. - And instead I was like, okay, let's think about this. That was fucked up, wasn't it? - That was really fucked up. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And that's, unless that's scarier, I don't know, what do you think? - I'm never gonna, like, blow up at someone. - I don't think blowing up is ever helpful. - No. - You can do your emotions without letting yourself be completely beholden to them. - Tea. - I think it's fine to be like, I'm mad at you. You really pissed me off. I don't want to talk to you for a little bit. But blowing up is like, what am I going to do? You yell at you? I'm not, I'm not like a psychopath. - But like, I have, I have like yelling fantasies. - Yeah. - But I never act on that. Okay, so is that, is that what's that about? - Whoa, I don't know. I don't know, but I, I'm glad you don't do it. - I just, I just want to say like, I just want to say like, how dare you. - Oh, fun. - You know, but I've never had the chance. I've had the chance I've just never acted on it. - Do you watch a lot of real housewives? - Of course. - That's what, okay, that's what it is. - Oh. - Like we like sort of exercise that through the viewing. I think, I think I actually have identified that some of my, some of my loved ones who watch a lot of reality TV are specifically sometimes maybe even subconsciously getting excited about the idea of having a conflict like that. - 100%. - Of being like, it's not even that, it's the principal. (laughing) - Whoa. - I had that on a trip once where it was clearly this guy like wanted to live out a house. Like we were like, at an outdoor dinner, a six, six top and he like went crazy and we're like, that's not okay. - The cameras aren't rolling. - Yeah. - We're all like actual friends. Like whatever, there's just a million things to say. But I'm just like, and now I don't talk to that person. - Everybody has had the group trip that we're in group trips for you. - Yeah. Or are you even sit talking about this recently? - Sure, sure we were. - You, 'cause, okay, you and I would actually, what do you think about this? 'Cause you're a logistics king. - Yeah. - I am trying to move away from that because I feel like I default to booking everything in a way that sometimes I go, oh well, can someone else do this? - Oh yeah. - But everyone just puts it on me. - Yeah. I've been saying this in dating. I really soon, I think I'd like to date someone, I'd like to date someone who really makes things happen. Sometimes, not all the time. But sometimes just goes like, hey, Thursday night, we're doing this at this time. I'll pick you up. - Oh. (screaming) - What? That would be amazing. - And would you, like, would that be like, a learn dependency thing? We're like, you totally give that up. Once this thing is introduced, we're like, you think I totally give up being that guy, because then he's the guy. I was talking to someone about this yesterday where he was like, oh, it's a learn dependency thing. Like, this thing that you could have done in the past, now you have no idea how to do anymore because you've learned to depend on someone else for it. - I have that with my business managers. - Well, that's different. You pay them. (laughing) You pay them. - I don't know anything about things that used to be so good at with my money. I'm like, I don't even know my. - You used to be good with money? - Any more. Oh, yeah. - Oh, you're just a leader of the America, for your farmers. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Growing up extremely poor. - There's totally, totally. - Yeah. - You understood bureaucracy. - Yeah, I was pretty good. I made things happen. I lived on an amount of money that should not have been livable for a whole lot. I'm a pretty good portion of my adult life. I would say my first job out of college, I was making $26,000 a year. - Wow. - And living in Chicago and doing improv every night and finding a way to never cook a meal at home 'cause I was never in the home. That's crazy. A lot of it was stealing from Whole Foods, though. - That's sad. - And I consider that to be being good with money. - Absolutely. Stealing from Whole Foods is the thing I was very happy to do for a number of years. - And what would it be? Like one a corn squash? Like what would it be? - Oh, honey, full meals from the hot bar. - Yes. - Full meals from the hot bar. - Make that bowl, I don't want to. - Okay, I just want to share. - Oh, totally. No, if you need to steal from Whole Foods, I can't recommend it enough, especially now. I mean, back then it was a different thing. Now it's even better to steal from Whole Foods. - Of course. - If you want to, allegedly. (laughing) - If you allegedly want to, there's room for potential. (laughing) - Go ahead and get yourself a full takeout box of dinner. Go ahead and load it up with everything you'd like. - All the tikka masala. - And go ahead and go to the self checkout and ring it up as one small soup. - You can't try to steal outright. You have to steal smartly. You steal 42 dollars worth of dinner for the cost of five dollar of soup. - Yep. - You don't try to take the whole box without paying at all. That's where people fuck up. - I think it's pretty good. - You gotta spend a little money to make a little money. - Absolutely. - You know what I mean? - God, and this is the thing. You talking about Chicago, it's like this is a thing in New York, it's like in most cities now, but like in like artist cities, it used to be that like you could be like struggling and still have it be livable. - Yeah. - And now it's just like, oh, that gap is crazy. I mean, hopefully now it's changing in New York at least, but it's like, I hope these city run grocery stores might really help stuff out. - Yeah, I'm hopeful for that. I really want that to work out really well 'cause I would love it to be something that's able to be emulated obviously. - Of course. I just, it's so cool that like people keep coming here and like wanting to like get things started in a creative way, but it's also like, but God, it was just so much easy. It really was just easier back in the day, even like 10 years ago, to like come here and like work like a low-paying job and still like have time to like go and meet your people or and then do your shows and do your make your art or whatever. It's just harder to do that now. It's harder to get started, which is so sad. - Sometimes I wonder, I wonder, I think about this. Like I think like, did I get in at the end of a good thing, like Tony Superano style? - That's how I feel. - Or am I just now like a little older and kind of removed from the nexus of it? Like I'm sure there are kids in Chicago right now doing fucking weird ass indie shows and basements and addicts the way that we were when I was 22 and sounding ancient vibes. (laughing) - No worries, sounding simply like an elder. (laughing) Like I've been summoned from a clay pot or something. (laughing) But I'm sure they're doing stuff that in like 10 years they're gonna be like, ah, the 2026 in Chicago was the good old days. - I think we've earned, I think as long as one second passes you're allowed to be like, ugh, you're allowed to wax. - Oh, what do you mean? - I was thinking the other day about the like the Final Hell Trap Nightmare show in Chicago. - Oh, I don't know about this on the other podcast. - What year was that? Was that 20? - That would have been 20, like 19. Oh, I thought it was like post pandemic. It had, okay. - They moved to L.A. pre pandemic. - That's where the young Sarah went. - Yeah, when they all moved. - Yeah, Sarah and the Strip Boys. Why it and David and Luke and all those guys. But yeah, oh, do you know what? But when I actually was thinking this morning about you doing the show and I was like, oh my gosh, I'm so excited to see Berlin and then I was thinking about how big of a deal on I wonder if you and Matt know this. But when you guys would come to town and do the I don't think so, honey shows, it like sent tidal waves through the community. - Really? - All the comics in Chicago would be like, did you get a, I don't think so, honey? - Oh, shit. And it was great. - It was like mortifying action. - You know, it was awesome. It was, it was, 'cause you guys did so many slots and like really gave people time to do their thing. It was like a thing where people would like, for weeks. would run into comics and they'd be like, okay, I thought of another, I don't think so funny and I really think this is the one I'm gonna do. Like people were, do you remember this chance? It was like, you would run into a comic like three times in a week leading up to the show and they would be like, okay, I think this is the one I'm gonna do. It was awesome. Yeah. It was really sweet. That's really sweet of you to say. And I also, of course, I'm mortified. Why? About like the people who like didn't, who like were bummed because they didn't get the end of it. Of course. But that's life, sweetheart. That show business kid. Although, you know, Matt wasn't even at that show, it was Pat Regan. I know. On mine, yeah. On yours, yeah, yeah. The one in Chicago. That was a fun time. Like, I kind of am toying with like, I think we should do that again. You should do that again. Because we would go to different cities and it would be like 30 or 40 or 50, depending on like the scale of the town. Like, I don't know, Houston, Texas was like, we were like lucky to get 20, you know? Of course. Which is just to say that like, there weren't that many like queer adjacent comedians who were like, got it and like, understood what we were trying to do. Yeah. Which, it wasn't even that. It's not prohibitive. It's like, do a minute. Yeah. Just do one minute. Um, anyway. We want to do something here, where it's like a little like outdoor festival thing. Oh, cute. Can you be cut? Holmes is starting a comedy festival. Who is? Holmes. Oh, my God. They're in Chicago. No, here. It's called about to bus fest, I think, but that's a great name. I can't, we can't compete with Holmes. No, no, no, you do a different thing, but I'm saying it's I'm so excited by like the like our little group of comics kind of like circling back around and being like, should we make like weird live shows again? Yes. Yes. It's fun. It's so fun. I'm really excited for Holmes's fest. They've been working really hard on it. It's all, um, I guess I don't know the technical language they're using, but it's all like femme trans non-binary women like, no, no, no, this guy's basically, which is of course very, very chill. You're best friend, but sure, don't book me. I guess for your politics or whatever the fuck, but I guess I'm supportive. No, this is a situation where like you're, it's a bringer and like you should be brought by a woman. I want to be brought by what this is one of those spaces that would be great if a woman brought me. I think Holmes should consider a ratio where like for every like 20 thumbs, one cis guy. Yeah. And he's like duct taped over the mouth or something. No hate. No hate. No hate on it. With the no hate. God, that was so chic. We had a question for you that I wanted to ask earlier. What do you think is the most important quality in a person? Important's not the word I want to use. Okay. What do you think is the most admirable or like exciting quality in a person? Um, are you ready for like a such a boring answer? I really am. I think people misunderstand nihilism, uh, 45 so true. Um, oh, these are my, are there's my question? Okay. No, no, no, that's not even for that's for me to stay on track with the episode because all I do is run my mouth back to you. No, that's a good thing. Um, okay. People misunderstand nihilism. They think of it as passive nihilism where it's like, you understand things are meaningless, you stay and despair. Mm. Nietzsche also, uh, kind of describes active nihilism where you understand that everything's meaningless. And now you have no choice, but this is like an affirmative thing for you to create your own meaning. Yeah. It's not a quality. God, it's such a terrible answer. Like an understanding of, like, you're saying nihilism in a positive, let's, let's make meaning because we, yes, we don't have, and we don't have inherent meaning. So let's make someone be fun about exactly that kind of thing. And like the best kind of mean, I mean, I, this word is, this word is going through like a weird thing right now that people seem to be like allergic to like people like pushing for community. They're like, there's no such thing as community. I think like, I'm, I'm seeing shit on my algorithm where it's like, uh, like everyone's faking, everyone's really forcing community on to like all these different things. And it's like, well, yeah, because that is like, oh, I almost started crying. That makes me so sad. It makes me so sad to hear that people feel that way, especially as we're talking about, like, like your, like, codery of comedians that you came up with all like circling back, like, like gaining the sort of kind of ability to like make new things, make weird shit. Like, I love anyone who like is, I think the best quality to person is someone who like, uh, wants to plug in even just a little bit. I think like, I, I'm with you, like, I've just the right amount of agoraphobia. I think you can have a little bit of agoraphilia if you want. Yeah. I mean, that's like a nice, it's just, it's your thing where you're like, I'm not going to be depressed for more than two days. I'm not going to like, not, not, not that. I'm not, I'm just not going to like be depressed in a way that like, I don't leave the apartment for two days, although sometimes that's like necessary, but I feel like my favorite quality in a person is someone who like is down to like, stop by the party for a little bit. I don't want to do it anyway. And someone that you can like, leave alone at a party, you don't have to worry about them. Hottest quality. Hottest quality. Hottest quality. That to me, hottest quality. If I am seeing somebody and I take them to a thing and they can hold their own and not, not only handle it, but also not have feelings about it. Yes. Fuck. That is so hot and cool. I love that. Who is there someone on the roster who like fits that? Oh. Oh. Well, first of all, I would never refer to my voice. My voice. My voice are not a roster. My voice are, well, they're a beautiful and beloved community. A brotherhood. A brotherhood. A brotherhood. A brotherhood of man. Is there anyone on the roster? No. Don't answer. I'm happy to talk about it. Okay. I talk about everything on here. In fact, the only thing I tell people that I'm seeing is like, let's wait a little bit before we watch the show. You know what I mean? Let's just hold off on that. What do you mean? I'm like, unless you actively already are like a fan of my podcast. Yes. You don't tap in. Don't like just take a little bit on that. Totally. I'm seeing a couple of really cool guys right now. You can leave them in a loaded party. What's that? How many of them have I taken to a party? One of them for sure have taken him to things and he's been very cool. Cool. The others, it's been more cash than that. I also am like, I just obsessed with my friends in a way that I'm like, if I'm out with my friends, I just really, really would like to be focused on my friends. Like, I'm not really trying to like, I don't know, I'm not really trying to absorb. Yeah. Or like, focus on some guy. Like, if I bring a guy around, it's usually either just circumstantial that I'm like, oh, this is the only time we can see each other for two weeks, sure, come to this thing with me. Yeah. Or that I'm like, I actually really like this guy. Let's see how he does with my friends. Like, there's, it depends, but yeah, I really just want to focus on my friends. My friends are the most specially interesting beautiful people on earth. I want to hang out with them. And then if there's a guy there that I'm going to sleep with later, that's cool. Totally. You're so artful with your friendships. Oh, Bowen. You are. You knock it off. Everyone just like drops their shoulders when they talk about you. That's actually maybe the nicest thing that was ever said to me. You want to wait. I'm going to, I'm going to make this about me. Good. Best compliment I've ever gotten. Thank God. What is it? You feel like a, you're like a human hot tub, huh? Like everyone just like, and that's like, I'm like, I have to chase that forever now. Just relax. There's everyone just like relaxes, which is, I feel like I'm giving you that compliment. But I'm not, I'm not regifting it. No. It's a different, it's a different one. No. It's inspired by. It's inspired by. I feel that. I feel that about you. What is it? I feel very relaxed around you. Likewise. What is it? Something for potential? Room for potential. Room for potential. Room for potential is awesome, actually. I wait. Let's use it. Let's spend some time under for potential. Okay, but just to just to just to go back to the answer the question. So the nihilism into community thing, like those are linked because of this video game that I love that I play every now and then, uh, it's an online game and like, it's, it's like, it's like a 10 year story, like they've been recently expansions for 10 years. And like, there's this whole crazy like world creation thing where they like, whatever. It's so an antilecky and like, it absorbs like all of humanity is sort of like, woes and it basically like goes into full nihilism. It goes into despair by like telling everybody like, there is no hope for civilization. Like every civilization in this universe has like fallen to war, famine, genocide, whatever. Yeah. Um, there's no reason for anyone to exist. I'm going to kill you all. Yeah. And then through the story and through playing with other people, real people in the world, you understand that like the, the meaning that gets created out of the nihilism and the despair is that that despair is not a terminal that out of despair, you have to find community. It's like, and as you're playing with other people, you understand like, oh, like doing this silly thing, this frivolous thing, like playing a video game is actually quite beautiful. Yeah. And like, this is what actually like gets you through to the other side of sadness or something. I completely love that. I went through a really annoying phase in college, the chance to test you. He was there for it, uh, where my big thing was that we're all going to die. And I would say it constantly. And it was, and I would use it as like this like, I mean, I was extremely depressed. Yeah. So, so that was playing a role in that old chestnut. And I was just saying it all the time and being so annoying in nihilistic, drugitory boots. Yeah. And I was just being, I was really annoying. I was just really, really annoying in ear vibes and I, uh, and what vibes, ear, just like your vibe. like, why would anyone invite you to the function? I kind of hate those things that are like, it's so nice that they still invite you or even though he's depressed. He's like, no, you're being a fucking bummer, snap out of it, like, sorry, you need to figure it out. And that's how I felt about myself at the time. I was like, you gotta stop this. You're being really fucking annoying. And, but then, that is the thing is it's like, okay, so fine, that's true, you win. Like, we're all gonna die in nothing matters. And so, then the only thing that matters is the journey that we're on to get there. And why not make it so beautiful and fun and nice and lovely, like you wanting to be a parent is like the most optimistic thing. Yeah, I have no hope for my kids. (laughing) I think they're totally doomed. I think all kids being born right now. Oh my gosh, I mean, so then how do you reconcile that with like, I want one. Did I'm like, well, I just think what else is that we're all doomed regardless? It's like, and doomed, I don't mean in like a sad way. I just mean like, yeah, the project of humanity is going to end. That is okay, that's like something we just know now. And that was like, so okay, so let's just like have fun and do beautiful things along the way. And I think raising a child would be like a beautiful project. I love that. It's just like, why, I don't know, why not? To me, I find it not dissimilar from like, making art or anything where it's like, when people are like, well, how could you have a kid knowing that it's gonna, that everything's gonna end and there's no point. Like, oh, how could you make a TV show? Totally, why be creative at all? Why I'm bright a song. Why make it? Why look at a beautiful flower and smile? Hello. Hello. Oh, you know what? To make it about me, yeah. Which I hate to do, it makes me sick. (laughing) My, I say it all the time on this show, but my favorite quality in a person, curiosity. Yeah. I love a curious bitch. I just love curious George. What are you looking for? I love it. It's so fun. There are endless things to be curious about. And choosing to be curious about anything on my best days, I'm curious on my worst most annoying days where I don't like the way I'm behaving. It's because I'm refusing to be curious. Everything's exciting. This, this goes into, I agree. But this also goes that I have, I have won the last risk, which is my, give it to me. No, no, no, we'll save it. Oh my God, yeah, yeah. Bowen Yang, what is so true to you? What is so true to me is that we should all take a year break and stop recommending things to each other. Wow, say it. Thank you. We have to catch up. Yes. Nothing gets made or recommended for a year. People, the things can get made. OK. Don't recommend. [LAUGHTER] If you choose to make something in the next year, just know it's not getting recommended. That's what it is. But it will in the future. Totally. We'll look back on it and go, oh, that's from the dark period, where we didn't recommend. Absolutely. It kills something in me. And I'm trying to actively undo this or just be better about it. It's like, if I watch something, I should just not keep it to myself. But I need to resist the urge to look at what the reviews were, look what other people are saying, look at the letterbox or something. I'm like, oh, it should-- and I've gotten much better at that. But this is all to say that I'm curious about the things. I want the curiosity to be self-generated and not white gloved to me. It starts to feel like-- I really, really do agree with this, because it starts to feel like mandatory viewing. That it's like, everyone goes like-- everyone goes like, he did rivalry. Right. You simply must. You have to have done the rivalry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, I actually don't have to have done that. Which the show seems great. It's not about that show. But it's like, it becomes this thing where it's like, hey, there's 12 minutes where we're going to talk about something to get in on it. Compulsory. It's really intense. I don't love the culture of like, binging and obsessing that's going on right now. Yes. And I mourn to something. No recommendations for a year. Could really save us. Now, if I had my way, I would take that and turn it into we're all going to shut down phones in the internet for a year, of course, of course. In general, and then just come back. Somebody was saying this recently, actually, and it just leapt out to me, because it may be Michael Cruzcane. Love him. Love him. Him and Asher Perlman have a new podcast. And I think maybe they were talking about it on their boys if you weren't. I'm so sorry. But-- Two handsome, nice guys. I know. But I like both. Objectively. But I was like, I think maybe they were saying it. I was like, yes, I've been feeling this. Like, let's just shut everything off for a year. Let's see what happens. And then as we come back, we can just phase in the necessary things. Like, maybe we'll come back and go, you know what, email was great. Let's keep email. Isn't this what we said during COVID, though? I thought it was going to happen. And then it didn't happen. Email is-- I actually don't agree with the email. What if it was the only thing we had? What would you-- You don't feel like your life is governed by emails? I try not to look at them at all. I'm sorry, Michelle. Oh, my God. I mean, I don't look at them, but I'm like, I just don't think much about them. I just rattle off a response where I, like, I'm the same, actually. I'm like, whatever with that. But you know, like Julio Torres' whole thing, he's like, got like 18,000 unready emails. Does he? And he just does it. It's like, he describes it as a river. It's like, if I don't catch the pebble or whatever, it's like, it's just gone. I'm not seeing it. I'm trying to become really difficult. Yeah. I'm on a journey to becoming really difficult. Oh, my God, that's so nice to be difficult. And not angry. I don't know if I'm putting those two things next to each other. Yeah, I'm trying to get to a place where, like, and I think I'm actually halfway there, where actually the people who, like, like my managers, will just tell people, like, yeah, sorry, it's really hard to get a hold of them. We'll let you know if we're able to. I think that would be nice. I like that. I've not really used to that during culture awards for both years, for all the years we've done at where it's like, this person, we're still waiting to hear back from him, and it's been two weeks, and it's actually great, 'cause all you can do is go like, okay. Yeah, hope we get it. And if not, there's no reason to be angry. There's no reason to, like, have, like, 'cause it just, like, gums up the works. It's like, oh, well, it's keeping you from, like, going on to something else and doing the next thing. To be unreachable is, like, one of the shakest things you can be right now. And I would love to get there. Unfortunately, I'm deeply reachable. I haven't changed. I'm reachable. I know, I would love to, but it's like, I want my loved ones to reach me. Yes. But I want, I gotta find out how to, you know, it's like, you know when they're sorting sheep with the little gate? Yeah. And the big ones go this way, and the small ones go that way. That's true. That's true, farmers of America stuff. That's true, I'm. Yeah. When I say little gate and big ones and small ones, I obviously retained what I was supposed to be retaining in that organization. But yeah, I want to filter like, okay, this is-- Yes. The loved ones go here, people I don't want to hear from go there. And oh, this goes back to what we were talking about earlier, beginning of the episode. It's like, I would love for, I would love to be, like, top of mind. Yes. And likewise, and like, I'm available. I'm reachable. What's hang? Can I ask you a question? Yeah. It's a big one. Well, which one do I want to ask? Both. I gosh, I can do both. What God, yes or no, exists or not? Yeah. Hell. Hopefully. You think hell for hopefully? Christian God? I don't know. No worries. What about you? I'm trying to figure it out, but yeah, yeah, yeah. Recently. Cool. Can't talk more about it. It's really working on some standup about it. In fact, we'll probably cut that. I have this like battle recently. We'll bleep that. I have this battle recently where I want to say things on the podcast because I'm sitting here with my friend. And I'm like, you're working on standup about that. Do not blow it. Oh, that's nice. Other people have different opinions on that. They go, oh, sure, I'll test it on the show and then whatever, I'm like, I really want to like preserve it. You don't think there's something in the aesthetic of a standup set or an hour or what have you where people can sort of get on your level and be like, I might have heard like a snippet of this before, but let me just, I will react as if it's a new thing because this is just this is the contract. They totally would. I am psychologically precious about repeating material and giving people a unique show. That's cool. Oh, I love that. I feel so bad about people spending money to see me live that I just really, it feels so insane to me that I'm like, you worked really hard for that money. And now I'm going to stand up here and talk about my sex life or whatever. I really, really, really want to deliver a unique show. I try to keep, I have a note of every set that I do and where I did it and what time. And so I go, OK, I did a Mateo show at the Bellhouse on June 13th and I did these jokes. I'm doing Mateo show at the Bellhouse in February. A lot of the same people will probably be there. I can't do any of those jokes. And I try really hard to stick to it. I feel the same way about the podcast. But all this is to say, God, yes. I think I'm trying to decide if I have a faith. I'm back on that. I'm trying to decide if I fall into a category. I think God as a force that moves us towards good, I do think people are generally good. I think there's a force that pushes us towards love in the universe. I think there's a current, whether you choose to be in it or not is up to you. But I think you can stand on the banks. But I think there's a current that moves us all towards the same place of love if we choose to dive in. Do I think it's a person who sits in this guy and makes judgments about people's morality? I don't know. I think likely not. I have been experimenting with the idea recently that everybody goes to heaven and that maybe when you get to heaven, that we have ultimate clarity about what we did to each other on earth and that if you were hateful and mean and violent and horrible on earth, that you are in a type of hell in heaven with the rest of us because you're miserable and ashamed and embarrassed about the way you behave down here. Oh my God. And that carrying that weight would be hell, but that you're not burning in a lake of fire. You're actually in a peaceful place, but you can't enjoy it because you're reckoning with the bad that you did to others. And then your project in heaven is to try and deal with the weight of the guilt. from what you did to people while you were there with free will. That's been very comforting to me. - Incredible. - 'Cause I do, of course, think about like, if everybody goes to heaven, what happens to the people who do awful, awful things? And I just think like, that would be horrible to be in a perfect ideal place with complete clarity about your behavior and have to like, carry the immense like emotional, spiritual burden of realizing like, oh, I did really, really bad down there. You exist with that for eternity? - Yeah, that whatever was wrong with you on earth that you couldn't like, process that and stop and not do the things you were doing, that clarity comes to you in heaven and you feel like the hurt and the pain that you gave to others and you just have to like, exist with it up there. - And maybe there's something to like, if you feel that burden while you're on earth, maybe that like balances the ledger ever so slightly. - That's what I'm thinking is that then when you get to heaven and you have complete clarity, you're not shocked because you lived a life of like empathy and correctness and I trying to do the right, trying to just do right by people that you get to heaven and you actually get to enjoy the perfection of it and the ease of it and the utopia of it because on earth you genuinely did your best. - Yeah. - That would be really nice. - Oh my God, Caleb. - But I think, no hell, I can't, hell doesn't make any sense to me. - Eternal suffering is just like, what are we talking about? - Yeah. I also have been thinking recently about how, oftentimes like religious people will say that God's ways are higher than ours but they only use it to justify God's cruelty. They never talk about God's ways being higher than ours to justify a type of love that we couldn't understand. - Oh my God, of course. - Like humans don't deserve eternal suffering. - No. - Like life has already aimed to begin with. - Hello. - Like that is the universal, that is the universal experience of life. - Yeah. - It's gonna hurt. - It's gonna hurt. - Definitely it's gonna hurt. - Caleb, hey, so cool, so true. So true, and let's put it on a t-shirt. So true podcast. (laughing) We haven't done a merch drop in a long time, you guys. Wave, what can we do? What was the other thing I was gonna ask you? Oh, what do you want? But one, this is a great way to end. What boy has to play a game? But like, what do you want? What's the big dreaming and like, what's the hope? - I just wanna, I think you and I are very similar. Like I just wanna be with my friends. That's all. - That's really, that's, it's that simple. It's that simple, have you ever heard of it? - Ever heard of like the romance stuff? - Yeah, whatever, I like, I'm great with it. I'm great without it. The work stuff, great with it. Fine without it, it's been out a little. That's 'cause like, that's some conditioning from ever since I was born I guess. But no, friendship, comed, and so this is, and this ties into like, bringing someone at a party and not having to worry about them. It's like, it all feeds into like, being amongst, like the, Lucy Deica says, it's the difficultness of being with other people. But that's what makes it fun, interesting, awkward, whatever. - Yeah. - Like I, difficultness, I know that's sick. Parentheses sick, or brackets sick. It's not, it's not the right word. But, - brackets completely sick. - Completely sick. - Sick, as I say. - Yeah, what do I want? - Yeah, just to be with friends. - I love that. I think that's completely doable. - And I want you to come to Cocksock Island. Cocksock Island. - To Cocksock Island. - Yeah. - Oh my god, here we go. - But I know, I'm like, like the millionth person. I think if you were to come, like, I'm going to sleep with Josh and Matt and Celeste was supposed to come. Like we're like a chill house, we just stay, and we go to the tea sometimes in dance, and it's kind of fun, but then we're like, bye, we're going home. I think you would like that. - This week? - This week. - When? - And we leave Thursday. You want to come for a little bit? - Is there a bed for Caleb? - I'll consider it. (laughing) - If I genuinely let's talk, let's talk, let's talk. If it's you, Josh, Matt and Celeste. - It's me, Celeste can no longer come. It's me, Josh, Matt, Aaron, Jackson. - Love. - And our friend, take him to Jared Freeder. - Lovely, you love him. - I don't know Jared Freeder. - Sweet guy. - Shout out Jared. - Shout out Jared. And then people are kind of cycling and I know Katie might come, Gavin might come. - Oof, deal breaker. - I know. - Hey, hey. - Katie, I love you so much. (laughing) - Can you make me Celeste for a day next week? And it's just a cute time. - I low-key starting on Friday for about nine days have a big yellow hold on my calendar. This has vacation question mark. So it's looking, it's looking like I could come. And you know what? Maybe I am, you're catching me in an era where I'm trying to say yes to things that will surprise my friends. This would be the gag. I know and I've been doing really good. I've been saying yes to things. I've been saying yes to things lately that my friends are going, really? And I like that. - This is a big capital R really. - Capital R really capital G gag. Capital RFP room for potential. - Bowie. - Capitalizing the floor. - That's big. - Hey. - Let's play a game. - Okay. - I'm gonna read you 15 statements. You're gonna tell me as quickly as you can if what I just said was true or false. If you get 10 or more correct, we're gonna give you 50 US dollars. And can I just say I'm reflecting in this moment on the fact that we chance and I talked about this segment before I started the show. And I was like, oh yeah, we'll try it. And Loki has become everyone's like favorite thing. - This is truly incredible. You please never ever. - We can't. - No, you can't stop. - I know. - Everyone loves it. There are more regal cinemas than AMC cinemas. - False. - That is false. Adult house cats have 30 permanent teeth. - False. - That's true. - The Marleton Hotel is the oldest hotel in New York City. - False. - False to see Algonquin. Walker, Texas Ranger ran for five seasons. - That seems too short, false. - False, it was nine. Smokey Hill Highs improv team is the improvsters. - That false spontaneous combustion. - False, it's spontaneous combustion. South by Southwest held its first festival in 1987. - False. - That is true. - Oh. - Afghanistan is the world's largest landlocked country. - That's interesting. False. - False, it's Kazakhstan. - Paris Hilton loves to go catch and release frog hunting. - False. - True. (laughing) - False for all of these. - Yeah. - Pitt Stadium was the Pittsburgh Steelers' first home field. - True. - False, Forbes field. In-why-use colors are purple and white. - False, just purple. Violet. - False, violet and white. - Violet. - Oh, nevermind. - But knowing the violet, hey now. Lightning is hotter than the service of the sun. - Lightning? - False. - It's true. - One mile is approximately 1.6 kilometers. - False. - True. - Venus has two moons. - False. - False, zero moons. - Four is a composite number. - I don't know. - True? - True. (laughing) - I don't know how to get a composite number. Sorry guys. Brisbane is the third most popular city in Australia. - I don't think so, false. - It's true. - Damn. - How do you do? - Eight. - Eight. - It's really close to ten. - It's okay. - Bowen. - Okay. - Think about it. Think about this week. - We just love you. We're going to talk off camera. As soon as these cameras cut in any moment now, we'll talk about it. Is there anything you want to tell people about what they should watch, fine, do? - I'm not doing anything. - Loss Cultures says every single week. - Sure. - With Matt Rogers, who we love. - We love. - Oh my god. - We love. - SNL reruns on the peacock app. (laughing) - Free runs on the app. (laughing) - Oh my god. - Oh my god. - Yellow taxi cat about sight Taylor's first wedding. - Yes. - Catch me in the yellow cat. - Fire Island Pines potentially, potentially with me in a giant hat holding a bag of books. - That's what we're in the background. - We're wearing big hats, reading books. - Oh my god. - I know if Josh is there. Bowen, I just love you. Thanks for doing the pod. - Love you.