Botox, Beauty Standards, and Things I Said I’d Never Do (But Did Anyway)

- Is it you that Botox can't help with headaches? - I think that is true. - I've heard that, yeah. - Maybe I'll use that as my excuse. - Yeah, my migraines are so bad. I've never had a migraine in my life. - There is some type of moral duty if you're in the public eye to be transparent about some of those things. - Yeah. - I will be getting my personal stuff. (laughing) I don't want my nipples to be crossed out. (laughing) - Nothing honestly has revealed my own hypocrisy more to me than being a parent. - I'm gonna make them everything from scratch. No preservatives, nothing processed. - There was like a seven month period where I made that kid frozen chicken nuggets with shaped Parmesan cheese on every single night. (laughing) (upbeat music) - Welcome back to Always Here. - We're your host, Abby Howard. - And Abby Howard. - And wow. - Wow. - Life is speeding up fast. - It's crazy. - I know, I'm glad. I like fast pace. - I know. I feel like you've been on the move on the go. - Really? - Yeah, all your trips went to Rhode Island. - I guess that's true. - That felt like a fever dream. - Abby and I went to Rhode Island for like 48 hours. - 48, not even really. - Yeah, I was fully. - Most of it was airplane. - Airplane. Lots of airplane. - That's a long fly from Arizona. - Well they flew us to Boston and then we had to drive. - Like it's like an hour. - I've been to Boston one time and had amazing pizza with my dad and so good so that my dad asked the owner if he could ship it to our house. And they said no. - Oh, yeah. - Was that embarrassing for you? - No, 'cause I was like, "Dad, we gotta get this pizza in St. Louis." (laughing) - Oh, there's a service that does that. Like they'll send you pizza from New York, like your favorite place. - Wow, that's a good idea. - But I mean, I think the restaurant has to be like a collaborate. - Yeah, of course. - Being on it. - They have to be. - They're not gonna just do it as shit. But yeah, we went for just a quick work trip with CVS and they're in back. - Was that your first work trip kind of like that? - Oh, it wasn't. - I mean, so they're all kind of different, I feel like, but same general thing. I wouldn't say it was the first. They're all kind of just differently that. - What I've noticed is that, I bet this is my second time going with you on mostly. It's mostly work that we're doing. And our downtime is reading our kindles. - Yeah, we did. - We're just those, girlies. - We just, we went got pedicures and read our kindles. - My kids, you don't get a time to read. That's actually the thing that I mourn the most. - Reading. - Reading. - You get the whole plane ride. - Whole plane ride, almost our whole book club book. - Hey, good, can I borrow it? - Yeah, I have 30 more pages. - Okay, good. - Tell everyone what happened to your book club book. - My book club book is soaked in water also. It's still wet. - I'm just gonna take it wet, that's fine. - Yeah, I read the whole thing. - I read it outside. - They're all outside. - My war bottle was undone in my bag. And I had a pool. - Like standing water. - She took everything out and then Wayne dumped it in the. - That's the worst feeling. - It's a river. - A river. - It was so dumb. - Like I didn't even close this thing. - Oh, I mean, it happens, it happens. - Maybe the turbulence, they're not the turbulence. Air pressure. - We'll just drive it up. - I get the benefit of it. - I mean, on the airplane, if you have your hide-and-dug lid closed, and it should have shooting out. - It's gonna lose that pressure. - Seriously. - Let's also say Abby talks about her attention span a lot, but this was a five-hour flight. Abby read that book all five hours. - So it's a good book. - Not a minute taken away on scrolling on her phone. There was Wi-Fi on the plane. She just kept reading. - Wow. - Right? - I think I fell asleep for a minute. - Am I ready? - I am. - I would have been timelinked. - I have, that's my attention spanis. - I think it's good. - I think it's good. - Also, I am just entertained. - Yeah. - That's me. - You're 10 happy. - Well, our book club book, if you guys are curious, is Atmosphere by Taylor Jenkins Reed. So when are we talking about that? - Two weeks. - Three weeks. - I probably don't have as much time as I need to. - Yeah, I know. - I better put my body like this. - Don't worry, you guys, I will finish it. - It's got me really interested in space. - Cool. - This is the second space book I've read recently. - Nice. - And I didn't think I was interested in space now, I am. - Yeah, I was trying to teach you to do the plan that's the other day, and I learned that I don't remember the planets. - Okay. - So, Neptune was the one that has forgotten. - Oh, that one's a forgettable plan. - That one's a forgetful plan. - Literally, as I'm reading this book, I'm like, which one of us three is the most likely if we're given the opportunity to go on a rocket ship to space? - 100% you. - You knew. - Yes. - Who were you gonna say? - I was ridiculous. - Oh, Abby was gonna scare it. I can tell she closed your book, one point. She's like, yeah, but you're down for a ride. - You're so, I'm the last guy I got. - You would just go and do it. - You would never skydive? - I have a fear of heights. So I feel like the rocket, telling us a different fear. I was there, I was not afraid of the height aspect. Who were you afraid of? - The plane. - It was duct tape. - No, multiple, it was covered in duct tape. - We actually talked about that too. - On our way to the airport. We were talking about, and Abby convinced me, I don't wanna go skydiving. - I'm actually more afraid of skydiving after having skydiving it. - It didn't seem like something that would give me a happy thrill feeling. I think it would get down for a while. - It does, I did get that. But I also couldn't breathe the whole free fall. 'Cause the wind is blowing in your face so much. I was literally like, I'm gonna pass out. I'm gonna pass out. 'Cause I couldn't get a breath of air. It's really sad. The person I was attached to, 'cause you have to stand and fly your first time, has since passed skydiving. - Oh, wow. - He said that, he, he like- - He said he was gonna die going out that way. - Wow. - Well, he kept going crazy or doing more risky, risky jumps. It wasn't just a normal, by the way, I don't think skydiving's really that dangerous. But when you just- - He was doing baseball, just playing with different things. - He was, yeah, doing squirrel jumping, baseball jumping, something like that. Yeah, anyway, not about me. My book is soaking wet, but it's also now, 'cause it dried, it can't close all the way. So it's like- - Honestly, that's where the best. I probably needed to be just a little ajar so that I'm like, I'll get in there and I'll read it. - It's open already. - It's already open. - I just gotta go read it. - No, yeah, it was, it was a good trip. We just, we made it fun. - Yeah, we did. - And we had to meet some fun people too. - It was good. - It was good. The east coast for a bit, it's very gloomy, gloomy and cold. It was good to come back. It makes you appreciate it more here. - Appreciate the sunshine. - I could see that. I mean, there's so much sunshine here. Sunshine here, sometimes I'm like, the gloomy day is filled in. - It was gloomy, I see that. - It was gloomy and cozy. - Yeah. - Like, oh, it's amazing. - I was like, I'm already a sweatshirt today. You know, it's cozy. - It's gloomy. - Well, on Sunday, have you guys been to Pizzeria Bianca? - No. - I can't remember if I've been or if I've just heard you talk about it. - I talk about it all the time. It's so good. - It looks so good. - The chef, Bianca, I'm forgetting his first name. - Really? - Yeah, it's chef Bianca. He has a show, like, an episode on chef's table, on Netflix. And it was the first episode, and Caleb was on a plane from somewhere. And the lady was coming to Phoenix just to try his restaurant after watching that, so we watched it. And he really hyped up his food in this episode. So I feel like, whenever something is really hyped up, naturally, I think it's not gonna be that good. 'Cause I'm like, it's just the expectations are so high. - Do you or just like Matt? - Yeah, I think it's maybe it's a middle child thing. - His expectations can completely make our regular experience. Like, he has low expectations and it surprises him. Amazing experience. And he has really high expectations and it disappoints him. - No, actually, I'm not like that. I don't think I'm like that, I don't know. But Caleb is like that. And that's why I think he likes to properly prepare for something before he goes. - Okay. - Because he has to adjust his expectations. - Okay, yeah. - But I just think when it comes to food, a lot of times, I'm like, yeah, it's good, but it's not this incredible experience. His food is incredible. And it's so simple and so flavorful. So if you guys are coming to Phoenix, you have to stop at Petry of Young Girls. You have to go, it's, yeah, every time I go, the quality is the same, it's amazing. So he went there on Sunday with my parents and then my parents left to go back home, which was sad. Yeah, my mom's gonna come back a little bit in a couple weeks, but my parents' snow bird thing has come to an end. Is she gonna make it to our live event? - She will be back in town for that, I do believe. But I also do believe I'll be putting her to work that day. - Okay, yeah. - She'll be there for setting up it all up, she's coming. - I think so. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I think she's in town. - So close. - Oh wait, did you, did I hear that right? We have a live event. - Yeah, and we're going to be doing a local live event. I don't know how much details we're gonna release right now because we're still in the works, but it's happening in April. - Yeah. - It's gonna be for the Arizona girlies. They'll be a sign-up in advance, it'll be really fun. - Yeah, I'm excited. I feel like this will be something that hopefully we can replicate or, you know, learn about setting up events. 'Cause we're kinda doing it a little, we're doing a little, we're doing it, a little biggie. - Yeah, a little bigger than what we've done in the past. So, I'm really excited. - Excited to meet y'all that are able to come. Did you still wanna do a hope in our art today? - I feel like that was my hope in our art. Good pizza, sad parents leaving. - Oh, my hope is I got a spray tan and it really uplifts my spirits. - That is my heart looking glowing. - Thank you. - My heart is also like, I got a spray tan. (laughs) - I had to be naked in front of this. - It's part cute. - Little, tiny, sweet girl. (laughs) - Has no children. And I don't know. - I tell it, I'm ashamed of my body. - Yeah. - So, I'm not that at all. But it is just like, it's vulnerable. - It's vulnerable. - And I just described, like my body before kids versus my body after kids, I just described it as maybe more womanly, more mature, things are different. And I'm just like, sometimes I'm like, I don't know, if you would have just like, if I would have stood naked before myself, before kids, after kids, I would have been like, wow, okay. - I think it's changed. - This is different. - I feel like, but she's used to this probably, but also all of the girls, she's spray tan are just very cute, little young people. - I know, it's like, I don't think anything of it, and then I'm exposed to someone and I'm like, well, you know what, I'm thinking about it now. - And it was so cold. The sprayer is cold. I was like, ah, these are happening to me. (laughs) - It was like, this is so cool. - Oh my gosh. - I can't have an underwear on. - Yeah. - I was like, we are not, those are brown now. (laughs) I was like, these are sacrifice. - These are going in the garbage, yeah. - Do you guys, do you? - I've actually never had a person spray tan. - Have you had a spray tan? - Yeah, I go naked. - Whoa. - You take it off? - In my book, they do this for a living. - Do they scan your. - No. - I mean, you're not, like, that open. - I was doing poses. - But they're not getting down there. - I was really doing this. - I didn't feel like it. - 'Cause everything's tannin' except that. - I didn't feel like it was that. - I didn't feel like they got it too. - No, I didn't feel like it was that invasive. - I don't know what I, what, what pleases I did. - It's not invasive, but you are negative that someone has a sprayer inches. - It's like my gynecologist. Like, they do it for a living. The spray tan is doing it for a living. Come on. - Oh my gosh, it's so. - I mean, yeah, I don't think. I think once you undress, it's better. Like, me, like, I'm taking my clothes off and I'm like, try to make conversation. - Oh, she stays in the room. - I guess, yeah, why would she leave? - She did stay. - I think about that when I get massages, I'm like, oh, I'm so exposed. Lively under a sheet. - Like, this feels weird. They know I've naked under here. (laughing) Like, remember, I'm on my back. You know, like, it just feels vulnerable. - It is a vulnerable experience. - Thank you to Flamingo for sponsoring this portion of today's episode. - I don't know if you guys ever thought about it, but having a good razor is extremely important and why is it kind of hard to come by? - It really is. - Especially in the female space. For the last three years, I used Kielb's razors because five blades sharp and they move so well. 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For a limited time, our listeners can get the Flamingo starter set for only $7 at shopflamingo.com/abbey. This set includes the Flamingo original razor, one five-blade cartridge, one ounce foaming shave gel, and a shower holder. - Just head to shopflamingo.com/abbey to claim this offer, and after you purchase, they'll ask where you heard about them. So please support our show and tell them that we sent you. - Oh, I started trying frownies. - Oh yeah. - Okay, I started doing these because. - Hey, I think I was watching your video, your skin was really looking great. - It's really looking great, thanks. I've only done five times. - How much are they? Are they extended? - It's $25 a box, and I think the box last. - There's one time you use types of things. - Yeah, it's almost like, okay, so if you're not sure what frownies are, they're basically craft paper stickers with glue on the back. This is like not exactly how it is, but you wet it, and then you put on your forehead, and you have to make almost like a cast on your face, and it hardens, and you do it while you sleep, so then your face, it's like controlling your muscles and freezing them for a long extended period of time. So you have to stay consistent with it, I was really reading a lot of the reviews, and people say, you know, you do them, it wears off after like an hour, but if you continue to use for like 30 days, and then 90 days, you don't have to wear them all night, like your face will stay longer than more often you do them. Does that make sense? - I guess, what's happening? - I don't know. - You say they stink? - You have to wear them all night? - They smell bad. Yeah, it's just a glue that smells, I sleep in them. Yeah. - Is it uncomfortable? - No. - Really? - I mean, it's like, yeah, you can't, but you're not talking or making facial expressions, and it's glued to your head. - It's glued to your head. - Maybe I'll try it. - Well, I sleep on my back. I'm not a stomach sleeper, or really a side sleeper, so I don't know if it's not sleeper actually. - Sometimes I'm on my side. - I'm kind of on my stomach, I'm totally honest. - Okay, so long different things, but my face isn't in my pillow. - Okay. - It's turned to the side like this. - Yeah, I think it'd be fine. - Okay. - Yeah, I mean, I'm 29. And I think with pregnancy and postpartum, my skin is so dry. I just look in the mirror and I'm like, "Dang, I am aging. "Aging, so I wanted to do something like a fine wine." - Thank you. - More will kill me. - Thank you. - Yeah, I just, I look, and not that I feel insecure about my wrinkles, but I'm like, "Hey, there's something I can do right now. "It's natural and low-key. "Whatever, why not take care of my skin "and try to extend that?" And I've never been opposed to Botox, but it's just not something that I want to do right now. So I'm like, "Well, let's just try this in the meantime." - That's great. And hey, probably way cheaper, less invasive. - Way cheaper. - I see who put Alexa Penedega posts about those all the time. That's how I knew about them. Yeah, and she uses them a lot. - And you can get them for different parts of your face, like forehead, they have them for the eyes. I'm just doing my forehead right now. I just can't wait for, I have really chubby cheeks. It's just a fact of life. And I feel like, like, there's some perks to that with aging. - Yeah. - But also, I just feel like they're going to sag. (laughing) - No, I doubt it. - No, it's fine. - We all get it. This is honestly a great segue into our topic for today. Thank you, this is, that's why I said it. - Oh, okay. - Well, I was actually going to ask what your front is. I saw you use it in a video, and I heard you say they were stinky. - Yeah, they kind of smell. But not enough to make me not use them. It's just when they get wet. It's like the glue. - It's the price of beauty. - It is. - So today, we are talking about Botox and fillers. - We are. - I want to know the stats. - Well, I read a crazy, well, when I was doing these frownies, I was just thinking about it. I feel like, you know, I'm 29. And I've just seen so many girls my age and way younger than me start with injectables. I looked up the stat. It said, "While the average age for treatment is 43, 24% of clients are aged 19 to 34." And I was pretty shocked by that, by a quarter of Botox clients are 19 to 34. I feel like the 30s makes sense. But like young 20s and stuff, I just was really surprised by that. And I definitely feel like that's the way that culture has gone. And what I just almost feel like has become the norm within beauty. But I have some thoughts on it that I definitely want to share. - Yeah, I honestly like bring this up. Like we were like talking about, I'm so interested in the conversation of Botox and Filler is something I've personally explored. But it's something I've been like, I've just never really had to collect my thoughts personally on it. And so when I knew you were going to talk about it, I knew that Sadie Robertson and her mom had a conversation on it. So I listened to that because I was like, "It was so good." I don't have like well-developed thoughts on this. And I just kind of like wanted like some perspective too. You hear so much in the media too. You also see Botox like done really well. You see people that look amazing that are like old and you're like, what, why does, you're like probably they're doing something. And so I just feel like there's just like so much out there. And like I also have a lot of friends that are like talking about doing it. So I'm just like, I'm interested to have this conversation. And I was like, I'm like now, nearing the end of my 20s myself, like entering there. I honestly, I feel like when you have kids, it's like, you get a couple extra rings on your tree. If you know what I mean. (laughing) And yeah, we know. (laughing) And so I'm like, it's definitely been something on my mind more. And I'm like, I don't know what my personal opinion is on this. - Yeah. I feel like it's something. And this is where I almost had to stop to question. I'm like, it almost felt that I said, of course I'll eventually do Botox. Like it was just almost like that's the norm. That's the expectation. And then I was like, wait, that's kind of crazy. That the expectation I have is that I'm going to go spend thousands of dollars on something to try to achieve a standard. And I'm not saying I'm never going to do it. Like I, I feel like I probably will eventually at some point. And I'd actually have done it in the past. (laughing) Talk about it. - I did it once when I was 24. And I want to gift card to a med spa. And I went and got it done. And I had actually previously gone to my friend the social media in Kansas City. And she brought me to one of her events there. And I got a consultation at this salon event. And the lady was like, hey, you're 24, you're really young. You barely have wrinkles. But if you wanted to do something preventative, I would maybe do like 11 units on your forehead. - Is that 11 syringes? - No, I don't really know what the difference between a unit and a syringes. - Is that like, yeah. - I'm not affluent. - Yeah, I'll have that out of you, can fact check that one. But usually it's like $10 a unit, maybe, or $10 a syringe at that time, that's what it was. So roughly it was going to cost $110. So in my head, I had that number. I was like, okay, that's not what I want to spend right now. Do you have a fact? - Yeah, a syringe is 100 units. So like a full syringe is 100 units. - Oh, okay, that's, yeah. So it wasn't very much. - It wasn't getting any of that. I was getting the 10th of that. So yeah, 10 11 units. So I had that in my head. So then when I won this gift card, it was $200. I went to this med spa. And the lady said, "Midimum, I'm gonna put 30 units in your forehead." And I said, "Whoa, that's like a lot more than I was expecting because I previously been told this." And she said, "Well, I wouldn't even do anything less than 20 units on your 11s." So I had a $200 gift card that I spent fully just right here in between my eyebrows that I wasn't even concerned about my eyebrows. I wanted like my forehead wrinkles. And that really rubbed me the wrong way. I felt like she kind of took advantage of me. Like, I mean, I had a consultation. So that's where I feel like a lot of my thoughts on this come in is that I feel like when girls are young, they've been selling this idea of preventative Botox. And that's been the conversation. Like micro Botox, preventative Botox, start now while you're young so you don't have as many wrinkles later and it's not as expensive. But if you're still going and spending $100 to $300 when you're 22 and it metabolizes in three to six months, like that's so much money in like these people's pockets that really I'm like, it wasn't beneficial. Like I feel like when you're that young, we are in our fountain of youth. You know, like, four-year-olds are trying to look like what we naturally look like in our 20s. And so that was kind of like, I was like, "Hmm, this is not really something that I think I should be keeping up." at this point and also just like the financial aspect wasn't in the, it wasn't even in the conversation, but I was like, dang, this is really kind of an interesting marketing tactic. I think it was like praying on our fear, like my fear of getting older and like aging. That's actually a young age. I was like, I'm actually, my skin is perfect. My skin produced in college and amazingly, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, that's a good point. - I just found this thing that says how much Botox do I need and it shows each segment. So for your 11s, it says it's typically 10 to 30 units. So the fact that she wanted to start with 20 is kind of, I know, and I didn't even have wrinkles in my 11s. So these are just interesting. - Yeah. Yeah, I just felt really taken advantage of in that appointment. Did you like the results? - You know what, it's kind of funny how they kicked in because it takes two weeks for it to fully settle and work. And I remember the one day my eyebrow like had fully froze and I was making videos when I had my clothing store at the time. And like one eyebrow and the one video is like not moving and the other eyebrow is moving. I'm like, this is kind of scary. Hopefully it doesn't stay like this. - Oh, I hate that feeling when you get dental work done and then your mouth ain't moving. - Can't take a drink of my soul. - Yeah. To be honest, I didn't really notice the big difference. - Okay. - Yeah, I was so young, I just didn't really have any wrinkles. - Well, okay, on the other side of things, when people I see that have like, I'm like, oh wow, their skin is like, looks really great. The front, my friends are like, very transparent. They're like, oh, it's because I get Botox. - I know, they look amazing. Like it's really shiny and like smooth. And I thought it was like, what is foliator are you using? I wouldn't have necessarily attributed that to Botox. I would have attributed that to some kind of skincare. - Sure. - Some kind of serum, some kind of like, I don't know. Maybe red light. - Right. - I was like, what is it? And then they're like, honestly, I just keep getting Botox into make, they said it makes your makeup lay on. Like go on really nicely. - I believe that. - And so I was like, oh, that's awesome. But it's never something I've like seriously considered. I feel like, it's one of those things where I'm like, once you start, it feels like another thing to do. It's like, I already get my hair done. I get my nails done. Like, I'm like, it's just another thing like to add on. Like regularly, like the maintenance of a being, a woman that grooms herself like. And so I'm like, gosh, I got a spray tan, heck. Like, and so I guess that like opens up the conversation of like, where do you draw the line? Because in my head I'm like, okay, it's really important to be content and confident in like who you are naturally. But I'm also like me saying that I would make up basically every day. I get my hair highlighted. I have a spray tan right now. I get my nails done. I wear clothes that flatter my body. Like, I try to. And so things like that, I'm like, where does the line draw? Where does it become like an issue? Where does it become too far? And so that's like what I've been thinking about, like, and preparing for this. Like, where is like the line for me? I got my teeth done for having snakes. And so that's like a big, that's permanent, right? And so, yeah, like navigating that, like, where does it become a problem? 'Cause I think we can all agree that it can become a problem. And it can become a thing where it's just one more, another thing, another thing, another thing. And the other issue that I find with this type of like, I don't know what to call it, like slippery slope, is that the more you hear about these procedures, the more you are like, oh my gosh, wait, is that a problem I have? Like, you guys were telling me about procedures with eyelids. I never once thought twice about my eyelids. Yeah. You're my, like, chin, foreheads, hair, like, everything. Just, I'm like, I didn't even, I never thought twice about these things. And it's one thing to hear it. I feel like now is like a mom of two and like, 27. And I'm like, okay, I feel like I have like a balanced head on my shoulders where I'm like, okay, this is a little bit, this is a little bit extreme. Right. But if you're young and like 16 hearing these things, you're just like, probably just examining in the mirror, like, okay, whatever my eyelids doing, what do my nose, what is like, all these different things. And then I also feel like, I want to tangent here. They all start looking the same. If we're all getting the same procedures done, and these cosmetic surgeons are doing the same things, essentially, like, we're all just starting to look more and more like each other. Right. And that's not necessarily how we were designed. So basically, where do you draw the line? For sure. I think that's always the question. And I guess, I mean, I have zero judgment towards people that get anything like young, old, whatever, I'm like, I have chocolate teeth right now. I will probably get Botox. Like, it's not anything that I have judgment. But I think it does, the questions need to be asked. Like, when is it, when is it damaging or when is it okay? Like, I think that those are the questions we all need to ask ourselves before we make those decisions to do it. And sometimes I'm like, when really young people are going into, like, get injections or filler or different things, I'm like, dang, it just, I'm like, is your, the, I don't know. I'm just like, you have such, you have so much longer in your 20s and your 30s, like, grow in your confidence in yourself. And I feel like at that age, you know, my young 20s, like, there were a lot of things that I felt insecure about. And I was just becoming a woman, you know? And so then to have these messages of like, oh, you're not pretty enough, you're not young enough, you're not, you don't, you don't look at this, like, look at that. It's like, I think it's easy then to think, oh, I have to do something to like, change my appearance to have confidence or be pretty or like, follow the standards of the world and what they say we should do. And so I just think that's a really, like, I just feel like those are hard messages for young women to hear. - Yeah. - Agreed. And so it's like, if you're trying to go in to make a change because you feel insecure about something, I feel like that is like a different question versus like, oh, I get my hair highlighted because I have gray hairs and like, I want to cover, you know, I have gray hairs or get my hair cut because it's healthier. You know, I feel like there's a difference between maintenance and then like, changing something because you feel really insecure about something. Like, those are two different motives. - Right. That is true. That's a good point. - And so, none of those motives are bad. I just think that you need to evaluate deeply and like, think through them really clearly. - Yeah. - So try to make permanent decisions. - Like, maybe by the time you're in your 30s, hopefully your sense of self is more established more and it's not like dependent on these like, procedures, these like, external things. - Yeah. - And I guess like, when I was first talking it over, I kept like thinking I'm like, okay, your confidence can't be reliant on this and I don't think that was actually the right word. I feel like it really is like, like, Sadie and her mom were saying, like it's your contentment can't rely on that. - Right. - Because I can say, 'cause I was telling, talking about all this, my goes, I got a hair transplant because I feel more confident now. - Yeah. - And then I was like, well, I guess that's like, I do feel like a little bit more confident when I put together and like, that was actually even my advice at one point. I'm like, just do a little bit of something that gives you like a little bit sense. So it's like, it's not necessarily confidence. I do think that confidence does go much deeper than that, like true confidence and like, identity in yourself goes much deeper than that. But I think there is a certain level, like if we're, like you can get that shallow threshold of confidence boost from like, these, some of these external things. - Right. - But truly if it's like your contentment in yourself, like you feel like settled in your own skin with what you have, with how you're showing up for people. Like that can't come from these procedures. Like that's where I think it becomes a problem and then people are just continuing to spend money and pursue the next thing, the next thing, the next thing, and then then you look in the mirror and you don't even recognize yourself anymore. - Yeah. - And I also think, okay, this isn't the other, I don't even know if we're ready to jump to the next, my next thought about this. - Yeah. - As someone that is like in the, like we're people in the quote unquote public eye. - Yeah. - This is something that my opinion has changed on. And I used to think, okay, like even if you're in the public eye, you don't owe anyone anything. Like you don't have to tell them the squat about your life, especially if it's like regarding your health or something, just like private and nature. And I do have a caveat now and I really do think that there is some type of moral duty if you're in the public eye, especially towards other women to be transparent about some of those things. - Yeah. - And it's not necessarily like, okay, you don't need to give them the details of your personal life. But if they're like looking at your face every day and they're like, why doesn't my face not look like that? Like gosh, I can buy her makeup, I can buy her skin care, I can buy, like I can do the red, like I can do these things, it's just not really looking the same. I think there is a moral, I think there is a moral duty there. - Yeah. - And like it's not shame for anyone that isn't doing it, but I personally feel that. So like, I don't know. No, I agree, I think one, it's really good, especially if like younger viewers that have these expectations of like, I wanna look a certain way, but I obviously can't achieve that, right? And so like what you're saying, I second that a lot. I really deeply respect people when they do share what they've done because it is deeply personal and it probably is hard. And I think too, like when you are public and you start talking about, oh yeah, I did this to my face, I got this or that, then people are like, oh, she was into courage, she wanted change. And it does open them up to like, I think trolls to really pick on them. - Right. - And so I really respect people when they do share. 'Cause I'm like, that was hard and probably, like scary to share. And I think you're right, especially to the younger viewer, I'm like, I think it is important to know that like, that's just not, it's okay that that's not natural. And you know, I think it helps set the bar of expectations for self. - I think since it's getting more normalized, people are sharing more about what they've had done, different things, like Kylie Jenner came out and said, exactly what her boobs, how she got them done. And then people are like going and getting that exact style, like everything and like happening. - Seen how her boobs look the same to you. - That's a thing. And that's, this whole talk made me think about Pamela Anderson. So she stopped wearing makeup a few years ago to everything. She never wears makeup anymore. And it's different. Like you see her on a red carpet with no makeup on and it really just, we're so used to everyone being so glowy. I am on those carpets that you're like, whoa. - Yes. - Now you just know her that she's just gonna show up and just be herself. And so that's kind of the opposite of being in the public eye and she said, she described it as a rebellious move against Hollywood's beauty standards. - That's awesome. - That aging is natural. Women shouldn't feel forced to hide. They're aging and it's been fun and freeing for her. - I think that's really interesting because my mom has never had anything done to her fate. My mom has had some intense facials and lasers and things like that, so maybe you would consider that. But she's never had Botox or anything. I think she's done a really good job. She has three daughters of like setting this example of aging naturally and gracious. If you were kind of talking about this, your mom is the same. Like I look at her moms and like in your mom too. Like they're so beautiful and they've aged so well and just show like a really natural progression of that as a woman. And I do think it is sad when I think about, oh yeah, that's just my expectation. Like I'll eventually end up getting Botox. Part of me is like a little sad that I'm like, oh dang, now I have a daughter and like what's example is that setting for her? Like is she gonna look and think, okay eventually I'm gonna have to make changes to my face or do some of these more extreme measures to like keep up. And I think that is like really something strongly that I think about a lot. I'm like, I don't know what the right answer is. - That was my other big point that I think about a lot because I think you also have a specific duty. Not just in the public eye, but also as a mom. I think especially to daughters, but I think the same thing extends to boys as well. Like when you make permanent alterations to your body, specifically your face, like genetics that you are, you can probably see like mirrored in your children. - Yeah. - Changing that. Like I can't speak from experience because like you said, like my mom has just, she's never had anything done. Literally anything done except for dying her hair. - I can't say that from that experience, I have to assume that there would be like a question opened up in my mind like if my mom had to, okay, for instance, I don't like love my nose. Let's just put my insecurities out there. I don't love my nose. - Oh, I didn't know that. - We trade, oh, that's fine. - You have a great nose. - I've never thought that. - It's fine. And we just trade market as the bizzball nose. My maiden name, my kid. And it's just one of those things. And I'm like, man, okay, even if I like go, and I first of all took, maybe I'm a hypocrite. I don't see myself changing this ever. You know, it's just how it is. It's me, it's my nose. And but also what does that implication mean for my children? Like, what if they're like, did my nose look like moms and then she ended up changing it? Or I just do think it opens up like a, what's wrong with me then? Or like, do I need to get this changed too? And yeah, I'd be curious. If people live a comment if your mom did stuff and it made you wonder, 'cause I genuinely want to know. And I've never talked to anyone. Like, I would love to read the comments on that and get people's opinions because I feel like that is, like, I'm just sharing my thoughts like, I don't know. - From my experience, my friends that have moms that had worked on, which I also think that the numbers are, as you're saying, like the statistics are going up like crazy. So we're gonna have a lot more data for like really our kids' generation. But my friends, their moms have more work done. They, they have sought a lot more plastic surgery. Like, permanent. - Totally. - I mean, it desensitizes it, you know? It's like, oh, that's just an expectation. My mom did that, of course, I'll do it. I think that's part of it too. It's like the desensitization of it all. I mean, we grew up in the Midwest where this is still like, - Right. - Deeply taboo, I would say. - Oh, yes. - It's just a little bit of a different culture around it. Like, they're with the Botox moms, you know what I mean? And they were kind of like. - I don't know what you mean. - Oh, really? - Growing up in a small town is an amazing bubble. - Because, like, I was saying, like, growing up, I had no idea what logo lemon was. I didn't know what any nice brand was. Everyone shopped at TJ Maxx and Old Navy. Like, everyone's clothes were from there or Walmart or like the thrift stores. Like, there was no like next level there. No one, everyone had the same hairdressers. Like, no one, there was no, but I can mark my words. There was like literally not one person I was doing any type of med spa treatment. There was no med spa. And so like, that was just a thing. And then, and so I don't even remember even a talk of like plastic surgery. I just remember my mom and grandma was being like, oh my, like it was just like the ultimate vanity. And so, like, and like, vanity was like really like, discouraged, like highly discouraged, which I think is a good thing, but also it is like, it opens up the conversation of like hypocrisy in a way. 'Cause like, where do you draw the line? Because my grandma also, like, love her to death. And I say this like in an admiring way. 'Cause I do, I think it's womanly and sweet and cute, but she would show up to her water aerobics class with a full face of makeup, her hair curled, someone who's so mad if she got splashed. - Right. - So, it's so mad if she got splashed. - She would literally, like, complain to like this guy, he splashed me in the pool. And I had my makeup in my lips. She would never like let me take a selfie with her without lipstick on. And so, and so anyway, it does just like, there's just so much conversation. So many, like, I have so many untethered thoughts in this area. So many like disconnected hypocritical, potentially like thoughts in this area. And so, I just like, yeah. 'Cause like you're saying, I feel like the Botox saying, I was like, I would never do that. - Right. - And then the more that you're around it here, I think moving out west also too. - We're just around it more. - We're just around it. - Yeah, that's not a big deal. It's like, yeah. And I guess in my head, I'm like, why does it feel different? Why does it feel like the next step? - I think probably the price point of it. Like, it was always accessible to certain people and not to others. And I think that is maybe wine or head, 'cause I was thinking the same thing. I'm like, how is it different than like going to the gym and like working out to have a good body or like getting your nails done or getting your hair. Like, how is Botox different than these things? I think it's just the price point separated people from it. You know, it's like one was accessible to everyone and Botox wasn't. And so, I feel like that is, I'm having a breakdown in my head. These things on my now, it's more accessible to more people and more people know about it. So then does it hold the same weight of like, oh, this is way more vain than other things or is it just more accessible? - Do you know what I'm saying? Like, did it only feel really vain to me because it was expensive? - I don't know why, like in my head, it was just like, because it was a needle. And I was like, it's dramatic. - Something going into your body, like rather than like on top or like changing your hair. - Yeah. I mean, it does feel more extreme. It's like freezing your muscles. - Here's one thing too is having a daughter. I'm like, I don't see myself getting Botox out. Like, I don't see myself doing anything really. Maybe a boop job eventually. Never thought I would say that. But I'm at that point now, I'm just trying to do that. - Ooh. - You're circling all times the thing. (laughing) - But I think knowing you guys, and let's say you got Botox, you got your teeth done. Let's say you got a nose job. I would feel 100% confident. If Brielle wanted to talk to someone about it, her being able to talk to you guys about it because I know you would have thought through that decision and like gone through all the thoughts about it. And so that's why I'm like, if you guys did get worked on, I'm like, I know they've thought about it. I know they've like processed it enough that it's not just, I hate this about myself, I might change it. - Yeah, I think that's part of the danger when it comes to these things. It's like, I think it's so easy and it is so accessible. And now, this is the flip side of like, people sharing what they've gotten done. I'm like, dang, now everyone knows about all these things that you can do. And so then it's like, oh, I have the slightest issue with this. Like, I just wanna tweak it a little bit and then it'll be better. And that is like a really, really. I think you're always having a moving goal post of what your state or of what your picture of yourself is beautiful is. Like, the goal post is always gonna move. If you're like, the slightest thing, I can make perfect. And that is like, I think it goes back to what you were talking about, contentment. This was really, I was really impressed. And I highly respect Jesse from "Celebrate of Mormon Wives". She just made a video the past week sharing about, she had some pretty dramatic fat grafting done on her face and some different things. I don't know what her surgeries were. But she didn't really understand the side effects of what it was gonna be and what her outcome was gonna be. She just kind of trusted what the doctor said. And she said that she deeply regrets it. And she's like, I hate the way. Look, I wish I'd asked some more questions. I just went off of what was recommended to me and I didn't really fully understand what I was getting into. And I wish so badly I could go back and change it. And she was really honest about doing these things out of insecurity, which I'm like, I just think that's like a really amazing example for her to set to young girls. Like, why don't it's okay to talk about our insecurities? And like, I was really impressed with her video on it. But I just think we're gonna see a lot more of that, like, in our day and age of people that are gonna do things and then wish they could go back. Because it is just so easy to get stuff done. - I think that's really admirable too. I love how you say, like, you're impressed by her, being in the public eye and talking about work that she's had done in insecurities too. This, my thought was kind of incomplete earlier about like sharing like people in the public eye that have cosmetic procedures done of any kind really. A good point that Sadie had made is that, if your job, as an influencer, your job is essentially marketing. And a lot of times your marketing products that are related to skincare and beauty. And then if you're like saying, like if you're, maybe if you're not explicitly saying, but the message underlying is that like, I look this way because I'm using said product and it's like, that's actually can be considered dishonest. Because it's not telling the full truth. It's like a half truth. It's like, oh, and I also spent thousands of dollars getting Botox and filler. And so it's like, there is almost like, that's where it almost feels like this transparency is, should maybe be, I'm not gonna say mandatory 'cause that surely feels crazy. But like morally, warm shade. I don't know. And so, um, because like maybe she is also like marketing beauty products, skincare products, I'm assuming. Yeah. Of some sort. Yeah. That's an interesting thought. For sure. I have kind of a hot take and I want to say this like gently but also it is just like an an opinion that I have. So I'm going to be able to share it freely. Let's just also say this, let's normalize, disagreeing with people and it's actually okay. Yeah. That's what is making this world spin around. Yes. And I'm specifically, I, okay, I feel like Botox is like one thing. I feel like filler is a totally different thing. Interesting. I do in my head. I'm like, I don't think Botox is severely changing your face, whereas I feel like filler is going in and changing your face. So I feel like that distinction is like I know confidently, I will never get filler in my face personally. Because I think filler a lot of times follows body trends and that goal that post is always changing. You're right, it is a trend because now I've seen the trend of people getting a filler to dissolve. Yes. And so I'm like that. What does that even mean? I know, it's filled. What do they do to dissolve it? They just, it's painful. Yeah. It's like another chemical you have to put in your body to dissolve it and get it taken out. So I'm like dang, I just feel like filler to me feels like I, there's so many women are just really casually getting filler. And are they the same people doing it though? Because I feel like if you go in for an appointment, I'm just speaking out of my butt here because I don't actually, I've never been to one of these appointments. But they're like, oh, well, these kind of like this can correct this. And it's like, I don't know, because like you went in to just get this done. And that would be me this. Yes. I feel like you could easily be talked into both because it's so easy. And I think we have to remember that Med Spa people, hey, I love Med Spa people. There's nothing you can do, but like y'all are also salespeople. You know what I mean? I mean, I do remember being sold a product. They're trying to make money. It's a business. And I'm not saying that's in a malicious way. They're trying to do that. Like I think they genuinely think you're going to look beautiful at the end of it. And yeah, their work and their product is great. But like they're going to try to sell you on things that like maybe you didn't think that you needed or like necessarily needed. So I'm just like getting multiple opinions is probably the best way to go. So that's my hot take. I personally, I'm like, oh, filler just feels like such a intense slippery slope. That is a body trend. Like I feel like that's always going to move a very hot take. Okay, good. Also, this is how your opinions form, right? Like your own lived life experiences. And then life has a way of giving you new experiences and you change your mind. And that's how that's healthy and good and appropriate. But also like I grew up in like we said Midwest, small town, uh, my grandma's and my mom have had like literally nothing except for getting their hair done. And my grandma's have like beautiful skin. Like I think about like I'm like, okay, I mean, I just rely on my genetics. I don't know. I just kind of like gosh, the upkeep just feels kind of miserable like at that point. Like I'm like, I don't know. I know. It is. It's a lot. But I'm also here's the other side flip side. I love being a woman. Like I love girly things. I love getting my hair done. I love wearing makeup. I love shopping for clothes. I love doing nails. Like I love all these like girly fun things. So that's the flip side. I also just think it's fun. And if that's the thing that you're like, I just think it's fun. And it's really not that serious. And I think that's a great motive. More feminine. I think that's a great motive. I just think it's fun. Yeah. I think so too. That's how I feel about like my finger game. I nails done. Yeah. It's just fun. Yeah. I just love it. It's fun. I love it. I think it's a cure on my toe with home. Totally. That's why I'm praying about that. When did you like when did you know? Did your mom know at birth that your I'm looking like that? No one ever told me until when I asked your mom when she realized your thumbs look different. No, I'm I kind of am. I'm like these that they look normal. See in my head my thumbs are normal. Well, you got the tips. That really they're club thumbs. Okay. And you know what? There's probably a procedure for that. When you really think about it. Really? That's why I make a fuss is my icon. Okay. I only know one of the symptoms. Natural. She did. My best friend from high school had that. And that was the first person that I knew I had club thumbs. And then you came into my life and I'm like I can never win a thumb more. Or maybe you're really good. It's like really strong. Sneak out. Yeah. No. I think that is a good conversation. Again, there's no judgment on anything. It's just like. I just like doing my makeup. Yeah. I like make a girl. Yeah. And so it's like this. This isn't really that different. I could see where you could make the argument and put this all in the same category. Yeah. I think I just vanity mostly just get upset at like young girls that I feel like are preyed on. That's a good point. That's what makes me mad about it. I'm like, I'm not even thinking about 30-year-olds 40-year-olds. I'm thinking about like the young 20-year-olds that are like, I have to do this and it's prevented of Botox. I'm like, no offense, but your body's going to get used to that in 10 years. And you're going to have to get more. And it's like, I don't even know if that's true. Is it true that Botox can help with headaches? I think that is true. Maybe I'll use that as my excuse. Yeah, hello. Yeah, I had it all the time. No, my migraines are so bad. That's right. That's right. I had a migraine in my life. That's right. Would you would you first do Botox versus like the piercing that people say help with? I actually, I feel like I trust more Botox. I trust Botox more. Just because the type of headaches I get, too, are all right here. So I'm like, what would something here do? I don't know. Like I get them all in the front of my head. Sure. But also right now, as of right now, let's mark 26. Sometimes I don't know the year. As of March, 2026, I'm not in the market for Botox. Probably down the line. I know. And here's what you can do. You can clock me down the line. Let me stitch me. You have my invitation. But when I'm getting heels in my head, because here's what you can count on, I will be transparent. And I'm like, I'll tell you guys about that for you. Yeah. And so that, honestly, kind of, do we say everything you want to say about Botox infillers? Yeah, I think you're good. It kind of naturally moves us on to our next segment, in which we talk about ways in which we are hypocrites. hypocrites. Let's talk about it because like we said, like your life, you live it, and you're given new experiences, and then your once held opinions might change. And I think that's good and healthy. But also could maybe give us the definition of hypocrite. Yes. Wendy Williams used to always say, I'm a woman. I can change my mind. This is a really natural hypocrisy thing, because we were literally just talking about this. I am, as of right now, probably out on Botox infillers. I will be getting rest. My breasts. And here girls will be like, don't put any foreign substance in your body. Just silicone. Not even big. No, I actually don't want the big. But yeah, so you really could find if someone, there is for sure. I probably said it multiple times. I will never get them done. You know what? I said that. It's because I had naturally good boobs, right? You had the best. Those are never seen to be honest. Thank you so much. And so I was like running my mouth. I was like, oh, I would never change anything about myself. And then I have nurse two babies. Things happen. And you know what? I'm also just going to give myself a little bit of a free pass here in a way and say, I have been told that I have the biggest transformation that anyone has ever seen in that department. That video you made that went super viral. But when you were showing that, but you texted it to play, or you showed it to play, he goes, that's AI. The fact that that's my brother. I remember. I remember, I mean, you look amazing. I just remember when we were nursing together, like right after we had C.J. and Augie. And we were like in one bedroom just looking at each other. We were like, this is crazy. And I just remember, like, I was like, wow, how did they sit on her body? I remember thinking it was so big. Well, he was not a small baby. No, his head in comparison. I really think of that audio that people you can make sure about. I have so many. I can't be shown. And I think about that audio from Nimo, it's like, there's got to be another way. He's just a boy. And it's like me like true. It was just so, how? Honestly, impressive. Like, that's a flag because that was one of the amazing stories. Not what I'm sweating. It was so uncomfortable, so crazy, so shocking, so many stretch marks and things. You're such a petite, small person. That's what made it so look extreme. You're so smart too. You have a short torso. If it's your torso, a short person. It's like, you're so small. And that's just, I've never seen the problem too is how hard they were. And so they couldn't squish. So they had to go out. So if you really were to take a stencil of me. And so anyway, all that to say, they've been through something. And they don't, they didn't come out the other side looking the same. Sure. They don't recognize themselves if they were looking the mirror. They're like, that would never be me. And so I am just saying, I would love for that to be a day in which they return to their original state of some sort. Obviously, it's going to be a new version of the original. I'm not going to chase my body before. Like, there's a couple of things like, I know you can change like, you can get your C-section scar laser off. Oh, really? That, I'm like, I don't care about. No one's seeing that. Well, I mean, first they sound like, no one's just like me in my mind. I can't even see it. Right. And actually, I choose not to look nothing. Yeah, it's fine. Right. Like, I'm not trying to like seek genuinely. I'm not trying to like get my body back to what I was before. I'm a totally different person. So obviously, my body should reflect those changes. Right. That's just one of those things where I'm like, please. They would be fun. Okay. I think I'd be - You got a lot of fun. - It'd be so fun. - Rarely. - Yeah, yeah. - I'm curious, would you get your lips on? - I like the doors not closed. But like, talk to me after my fourth kid. - See if you can do it any more time. - Because after the first, I was like no, they're fine. I'll keep in the way they are. But you know, every time they grow and they go back and they grow and then they get small. - Every time they get small. - And it gets, it looks different every time. So I'm like, I'm not gonna make any decisions until I'm fully done. And by the time, maybe I won't care. - I'm not even done breastfeeding. - Do you like? - I'm gonna need stuff. - I don't want my nipples to be cross-eyed. (laughs) I do some freaky things. - I like it cool. - They're not right now, but I'm just saying like, I don't know what's gonna happen down the line. - No one needs to be seeing what this looks like. - I will wait until the baby factory is crushed. - I will wait until then. - And I also have prepped my father already. - Yeah, I think that's good. I'm like, we're just prepping. Prepping the public, because I know that everyone gets big opinions. - Everyone knows. - I think you're beautiful and perfect the way you are, but thank you for the mental preparation. - Thank you everybody. I prepped my dad, because I know that he's not really. - That's the most awkward, that's the most awkward one of them all. - I'm like dad, just so you know what I'm done. - Just so you know, no, you gotta prep him. Because I'm like, I don't want you to be startled. - Right. - You just come back when Dan's like, whoa. (laughs) - Oh my goodness. - Yeah, so that is where I am major hypocrite. - Well. - Major hypocrite. And, you know, I got really flattered one time though, because I did get a consultation. - Really? - And she was like, you don't need a lift. And I was like, tell me more. (laughs) I was like, well that was so nice. - Oh my goodness, I didn't know that. - I know. - Well, see, what happens on the line? I'm like, the direction we're heading is south. - Right. - I feel like the scary, I'm like, how do you pick a surgeon for something like that? I'm like, hmm, that feels like a big decision. - Oh, recommendation from friends. There's actually one person in this area that has done everyone with all your friends. - Yeah, great, so we know. - We know who to go to. - You know a guy. - It is a guy. - It is a guy. - I feel like that doesn't, I don't think that you think of that. - It does kind of bother me. - Really? - Yeah, quick, yeah. It's cosmetic. If it was like health, I feel like I categorized it as like, oh, it's for health. This is like cosmetic. So. - I guess, yeah. - I can see that. - I did get a consultation from a woman though, and she was, I didn't get a vibe, so. - I was thinking about men or more gentle with women. I do think so. Women know how tough we are. - Exactly. - Let me know that you're tough. - Ain't that the truth? - I said that about my OB, too. - Yeah. - I ended up with the man, the male doctor, and I was so happy about it. - Yes, it was great. - Well, I loved, I mean, all the doctors are so amazing, but I used to be like, oh, I don't want a male OBGYN, and then they came in and you're just like, I don't care. Please get this, help me. Help me. Help me. - Help me. - Give me answers. - I was like, please admit me. - Yeah, literally. Okay, my first one, I'll go with my, I had one beauty, one that I'll do. I said about three years ago, I will never go blonde again. And yeah, last year I was like, I immediately need to go blonde. It was just like something triggered me. I was like, I want to just let my hair go natural, color, and be, you know, like darker, a little bit more ethereal. (laughing) You know, like a little bit more exotic, you know, my natural self. And then I got pregnant, and I started to feel like I was looking really old, and then I walked in there and I'm like, maybe like young and blonde and bright and beautiful and blonde. - Remember the last time I got my hair highlighted for you? I think you were there. - What happened? - Our father-in-law, he was like one day, you're gonna not go blonde anymore. - Oh, I didn't answer that. - I was like, I'm gonna always need to be bright, and I'm not there. - There's just something about going a little lighter that just makes you feel alive. - It's just like, yeah. I'm like, whoa, I'm just so fun, so fresh. So I said I would never do it again, and I went it again. And I'll probably, I'll go back and forth and that a lot, but that was pretty hypocritical for me. I was so firm, I'm like, I will not do that. - I was also when describing this blonde, but you got your hair highlighted. - I got it highlighted, yeah. - And I was like, I'm done with that, and I was such a hypocrite. - Yeah, that's gonna be, that would be hard for me, like go up, it would be really hard. - That's a good one. - I won't get it done twice a year, but that. - I've never seen your mom with her natural hair color. - I know, it's dark, I know. - I will say I think Brunette's have it easier. Blonde's to keep up your blonde, and like as you get older, roots get darker, that's a lot of it upkeep. It's really low upkeep for me. 'Cause once it grows out, I'm like, it just looks like my brown hair. - Mm, mm. - Maybe I'm delusional. (laughs) - I love your hair color, it's like carmely right now. - Thank you. - I'm getting it done this month. - Let's take a blast to the past. High school, Abby, middle school, Abby. This one's an old one, but Matt reminded me of this. I always, okay, let me just say that this started, probably at the root of my parents would always like tease me, and say that I would have crushes on guys. I was like, I do not have a crush on them. And like every dad has to do that, and every moment in bubble up. And so there was like, I had a childhood friend that I like grew up with, and my dad would literally always say like, I had a crush on him, and I really did not. I did not. And so I was like, dad, I was like, no. And I said anyway, I will never marry a theater kid. (laughs) - Oh no. - And I always said that. I was like, I would never see a theater with me. And I was like, I will never do that. I'm not interested, not my type, all these things. And what I do, what do you do? - Married a theater kid, the most theater. (laughs) - I'm sure you say the most theater kid. - The most theater kid. - He loves performing. And so that, I mean, that was just like a, there's no like, oh I kind of cave. Like I did the, literally complete opposite. - The literal can be opposite. - That's so funny. - That's a funny thing to like, put your stakes on the ground on. I will not marry a theater kid. - It was so specific. It was like, I had to break that. - Of course. - Because I like, really dug in. - Why are we setting rules for ourselves? We can't keep. - I know. - Gosh, I really thought I could have relied on that one too. - Right. - I was like, that was pretty safe, bed. Like, what are the odds? - Right, of course. - Well, here we are. - Um, okay, my next one's kind of, this is bad. - Okay. (laughs) - What? - It's good to potentially affect my work. (laughs) - So I talk a lot about budgeting and like, it's really important, we preach a lot. I do all these rocket money ads. And we're, we love that rocket, love rocket money. I'm not saying that, we love it. We've used it for years. And I'm always like, you need to be financially responsible and like, have good budgets with your husband and like, be a team with finances. Yeah, I don't think I've ever looked at our budget. Oh my own. (laughs) - Oh, on your own. - Oh my own, oh my own. Like, Caleb and I will go, we'll have our talks together, but I'm not looking at it independently. - Like play by play. - Never ever have I ever opened, like by app, always unloads and then I have to reload it when Caleb's like, let's talk about the budget. It just always all loads. - You're like, let me, wait a minute, let me log in. It's in the cloud, it's in the cloud. - I never look at it. - Okay. - That's hypocritical. - Does that bother Caleb? - I think he's gonna find out when this podcast is. - Oh. (laughs) - Well, it means you must not be going over. - Right, well, you know what, I do sometimes. - Okay. - Yeah, yeah, I do sometimes. - And he's like, wow, this month was crazy. I'm like, so sorry, the budget, you know, I'm like, oh, I should have been looking, like, I'm shocked. I've never. - I wonder how common that is though, because I'm the budgeter in our family. Blake, Blake, of course, not have our app. So I'm loaded on his phone that we budget through every dollar for Dave Ramsey's. - Yeah. - Blake has never logged into it, ever. He wouldn't know how to use it. - Yeah. - And I do it all. So I wonder if that's normal actually. - Yeah. I'm like, Caleb, I think looks at it multiple times a week. - Yeah, I do. - I use it every single day. I budget everything. - Every day. - Every single day I budget. I put the, you categorize it all, yeah. - See, rock 'em when you automatically categorize it. So I'm like, we don't have to keep up on top of it. So maybe that's, I'm just giving myself an excuse. We do love the app. Like, I talk about it all the time. It's been life-changing for our marriage, because Caleb does a really good job of keeping track of our money through it. (laughs) And I'm aware, but, yeah, I'm just not individually going and ever looking at it. And that's extremely, like, I'm like, do we take this out? Is this, do we need to cut this? - No, Abby, keep it in. - Okay. - Snaps to Abby. - No, that's right. - Honestly. - You have sweating. - I'm sweating, I'm a critical. Another one I have, this is in the category of parenting, which honestly, you could probably write a whole book on this. I don't even wanna know what I said before I had kids. - Oh. - Yeah, my next question is this. - Honestly, you should never be allowed to say anything about what you wanna do when you're a parent and until you're in that ship. And also, that goes for, like, don't say it until you're also in that stage. 'Cause, like, I'm sure I've said stuff about high school kids, middle school kids, elementary school kids. I need to just shut my trap about it. - Totally. - I don't, I don't know. - No, I agree. - I don't know. You don't know until you're living in-- - I don't know what you're walking through of it. - Nothing honestly has revealed my hypocrisy more to me than being a parent. - No, literally. - It's literally, it's also just so, just like slap you with the face. - I know. - Wait a minute. - I know. - Did I say that? Gosh. - So many times. - So, once again, this is just plucking one, but this one's so obvious because I even said it once, I had kids, but then it changed when I had toddlers. I said, no kids in the bedroom. - Oh. - We have guests every night. (laughing) Like, literally every night. It's a very rare day that I wake up and there's just me and Matt in the room. - Of course. - Of course. - Now, at this point, you don't have guests in the bed, but I'm also never gonna say that's never gonna happen. - Right. - We might get a megabed once again. Honestly, it's all up for grabs. It's all open. I can't be clocked saying I'm not doing anything different. - Right, right, right. - Literally, so yeah. Right now, there's no kids in the bed. There's kids in the room. - Of course, of course. - And that's pretty much the same thing. - Of course. - So yeah, we have just, and you know what? I gotta say, I actually kinda like it. - Yeah. - It's sweet. - It's sweet. - It's like, morning, buddy. - Oh. - And it's better. - It's better. - I always think about it sometimes when I'm teaching my-- I'm like, "Okay, C.J. Sugar's bad for you. One gummy bear for your treat," or whatever, and then I'm like, scarfing down a bowl of ice cream with chocolate sauce, and then he goes to bed. I'm like, "I am such an hypocrite." But I'm a two-bargon, so we got to preserve a special body. He gets more than one gummy bear, but, you know, just to be exaggerating. My parenting one, this was so stupid of me. This was so judgmental and so stupid of me, and I've just a humble and quiet-- - I hope you pick it when I taught you're in a pic. - Oh, and college, I was like, "Oh, kids, they're just gonna eat what I eat." I'm gonna make them everything from scratch. It's gonna be healthy, no preservatives, nothing processed, just the most precious, cleanest, crunchy food to my baby. And then the minute I had C.J., and he just did not want to eat. There was, like, a seven-month period where I made that kid frozen chicken nuggets with shaped Parmesan cheese on him every single night. - Chicken nuggets? - A bunch of Parmesan cheese? - Yeah, I was the only way to eat them. Like, chicken nuggets with Parmesan cheese, and I was like, "Buddy, thank you for eating this." (laughing) - Thank you, sir, for your service. I'm glad you're filled up tonight. - And that was just so dumb, that was so dumb. - Oh my god, I'm there, I'm the same way. I'm sure I said that, too. Actually, I feel like I even remember saying that, like, it was like nanny and kids. And I was like, "Oh, they're eating frozen food." - Oh, I used to babysit a kid where they would get hot dogs. And I'm like, trust me, I went away in a hot dog. I'm like, "Please eat the hot dog, buddy." It's a hot dog. - That's a win. - I love win! - He won't eat them, but I'm like, the hot dog. - Oh, he won't eat them, that one. I mean, it occasionally, but I know. It says, "You have all these jugs." - I'm there. - I know. - I know. - And I'm like, I was humble. - That'll bring you down to your knees. You're like, "Don't starve, what are you doing?" - Anyway. - Honestly, our high health is just doing God's work. - Yeah, I'm like, how many vitamins can you take a day, sir? - Like, it's those super foods packets, right? - Yeah. - In seconds, I'm like, "Please, actually be wrong." - I'm like, "It's way protein, bad for children." - He needs something. - Like, it's got to eat. My last one's kind of dumb, kind of dumb. It's not something that I said I would never do and I do. It's something that I said I was going to do. And I'm like, there's a way I'm ever doing that. I was so dead. When I was in this phase in college, I was like, exploring the internet. I was learning about home setting and chickens and land. And I was like, "I'm going to have chickens and live off the land." Can I tell you something? I never, ever, ever want land or chickens. And that is just, in what world would that ever be me? - Hey, I got a dog and I was like, no more animals. - I can't not see you like that at all. - I know, I was like, how amazing would it be to have chickens and farm fresh eggs? The minute I would hear that chicken squawk, I know immediately I would send it back. Like, there's no way that I would ever enjoy chickens in the season of my life. - Was it about your parents? - Or ever. - That made you want to do that. - No, this was like way before all that. I don't even know what I was watching on the internet. This was like tasty videos. - And peak. - Wow. - I was just like, wow, I want to be so clean. And oh my gosh. - It was probably stumped from like an ED, no live. I felt like, like a little bit. Yeah, I'm like, it's probably from like a, not so healthy thought life about food. And now I'm like, I never want lands. I don't want my children to run free on property. Like, that's just not me. It's not my personality. And that was so hypocritical of me to ever say that. I would do that. - I mean, I didn't even know you thought that. So that just says something. - That's Caleb. It was like a really firm season of my life, right? - I'm saying that. Like, how long? Like, at least two or three years. Like, end of college to the beginning of our marriage I was like, what if we just live on land? And I'm like, well, why would I take your place? - You do like to be home a lot. And you kind of like to be alone. - It's true. (laughing) - I feel that. (laughing) - It's true, but at least I have people next to me. - I know that they're in there. - Yeah, I'm like, at least they're there. I don't, you know, it's just not my personality. I love that people love that. And like, there's that is for people. But just for me, that I sing. So from what I was going to do that, I'm like, that is just so far from who I actually am. I feel like everyone threw a homesteading phase. - Yeah, the homesteading phase was strong. And now I'm like, I'll never make my own bread. - You could make bread. - No, I just want you to make me bread. - Okay. - That's all I feel. - Yeah. - I need to get myself in bread. - No, I'm gonna say, I made two bad loaves of sourdough and then I just put it in the fridge for a while. It's in time out. - Do you want to know something I tried to make from scratch? That was so dumb. Peanut butter. I was like, I'm gonna buy my own peanut. - Yeah, I'm ruining the blender. - It was so gross. - And you have to run your mixer for literally 30, 40 minutes. 30, 40 minutes. - They have really clean peanut butter on the market. - And it's six bucks. You know how much a bag of peanuts is? $14. I'm like, why am I spending more on the blockchain? - Because peanut butter is actually literally just peanuts in salt too. - Yeah, almost of them are. And that's why I buy is just a clean one. And I'm like, this is cheaper and less time consuming and way less of a cleanup than making peanut butter from scratch. - Yeah. - I did look up an article of things that weren't worth making from scratch. - Peanut butter was one of them. - No, I don't remember that being one of them. One of them was tortillas. I remember that because I was like, gonna try to make tortillas. But I was like, I guess I already buy the raw ones. - Right. - And so, gosh, there's just so little time in the day. There's just so little time in your life. - You made those cheetahs homemade. I was like, I remember, I used to be so on kill, but be like, we go the grocery store and he'd walk the aisle and say, don't buy that, I can make it. And I would never make it. And cheetahs, it's one of the ones I used to say, I'm gonna make these for my kids. - They were easy to make. - But they just don't make that many of them. I feel like you'd eat them in one sitting. They're actually way more filling than other cheetahs. - Really? - Yeah. If you ate all of them, I'd be very impressed, Abby. - No one does that record. - They didn't taste quite the same though. - Gotcha. - 'Cause they're baked and I feel like cheetahs are definitely not, they're probably, I don't know. Are they fried? - I feel like they're baked. - I think it's baked. - They are 100% baked. - 100% baked. - And a massive oven. - They tasted nothing like the ones I made. Honestly, I like to mine better that because it tastes like real cheese. - Yeah. - But that's different. - Yeah. - We're very thankful to you guys too, because you make us feel not so alone in our hypocrisy, because you so generously, so many of you contributed, ways in which you're finding yourself ever crazy as well. And we pulled you on our Instagram, which by the way, if you're not following us, it's always here podcast on Instagram. Please follow us and you can also participate in these fun pulls and engage in that way. It's really fun and special. So we're gonna go through some of these because they're just so funny. This one is from Lauren. She says, "I'd never let my kids eat snacks after refusing to eat dinner." My bad. Literally that size. - Yeah, totally. - Matt is every time he's like, "Wait, did mommy say you could have this?" I'm like, "Ugh, please let me, please, please, just eat." I'm like, "He's like, we're doing snack." He's like, "I just brush their teeth." And I'm like, "Brick, oops, sorry." - See the morning and I just brush. - That's only I just feel so bad about it. I'm like, "I would never want to go to bed hungry." - I know. - But then I'm like, "You did eat your dinner." - And a whole cup of milk. - Sometimes it's, see, like, it just comes a habit. - I know, I'm like, I never want to be like, "Hey, you can't eat buddy." 'Cause I'm scared he's gonna grow up and be like, "My mom would let me eat my foods and get a bed hungry." Like, I feel like he would turn it into like a trauma. - You know, I'm like, I don't want to ever have that. - It was my punishment. - I didn't want to get mixed messages from this. - Seriously. - Okay, this next one, all about Brie said, "Scroll for hours." Like she says, not to do that, then she does it. Yeah. - I do that as well, honestly. When we went to Rhode Island, I got on my phone a lot more and then it was like, I had to re-break that. - That's what I should have put on my list, poor Caleb. Like, anytime he gets home from work immediately and he's looking at his phone on my Caleb, the children. And it's like, he hasn't been on his phone all day. And I'm at home all day, obviously looking at my phone, doing stuff on it all day from the kids. And Caleb looks at his phone for five seconds and I'm like, get off your phone. - Yeah, your phone, buddy. - Your kids are talking to you and I'm like, I'm sure all day. She does her like, "Fah, mom, mom." I know, and I'm like, "Oh, that's just so hypocritical of me." This person said that they, I'm assuming that, wait, I don't know this name. Anne McClain Leonard said, "Homeschool my kid." - She would never homeschool her kid. - She said she would never homeschool her kid. - They didn't do it. - A lot of people have made that switch. - Oh, man, you know, it's so tempting. I say all the time, I'm like, I wasn't meant to be a teacher. But now I'm like, "Should I homeschool?" I don't know. (laughs) Should I just pay someone a homeschool my kid? (laughs) - More so than my son. (laughs) - I don't know, that's more so. I'm like, "That son's tempting." (laughs) - No, I think my kid's a love school. Okay. Shela. "Ham's mom, Shela." Shela said, "I always said I would never have a toy room. Now our office is a toy room instead." It just happens. - It'll spill somewhere. - Yeah. - They're all around my kitchen table right now. I'm like, "I wish we had a toy room." (laughs) - She looked on your knee first day. - The clubhouse. - The clubhouse, baby. - Eden says, "I swore I'd never pay for a tan because the sun's free." Now I'm desperate for self-tan sometimes. - I remember when in college, when you used to get out of college and you start having jobs, I'm like, "Wait, I just can't lay outside and get a tan all day." I'm pale, you know, it's like that adult life happens. - Also, you just can't. - The sun is kind of, it's bad for you. (laughs) - Allie, I swore I'd go back to work after having a baby. Now here we are. I feel like I know a lot of people that are like, "I will never give up my job." But then you get a kid and it's just like, "Care's about work." - You get a kid. - I got a kid. You get one of them and you're like, "Who needs a job?" - I want to stay with my baby. - I know, that is real. - That is real. - That is so real. - Holly says, "Crox, swore against them and now I wear them all the time, LOL." - LOL. (laughs) - I can't support that, actually. - I know, I do like, I have some really good crocs, flip-flops, but I don't have the slide. - Pro crocs for kids, for me. - Yes, but you know what? I think they're making cities run a little weird. (laughs) I think they're making a deal. - It's running like at Octopus. - I know, thanks 'cause you're trying to keep your shoes on. I like, first, strictly attend a shoe house for a while until I was trying to go out. - It's so bad the other day. - Yeah, they're not good running shoes. - He didn't even cry, he just like froze. - I know, he's so tough. - I think he was like, did just have to really just happen to me. - It happened to me. - And no one acknowledged it. - He fell on both knees from the air. - I know. - And I'm so close. - You saw it. - It was like, he was so tough. - And he just stood up and goes, - Yeah, froze. - froze. - I was like, I thought that was gonna be a cry, for sure. - Yeah, he's a tough kid. - Oh, this one's so real. - Brianna said, using a backpack leash on you. - Using a backpack leash on your child in busy places. - Gotta keep 'em. - There's no judgements. - Once you got 'em, you gotta keep 'em. - Yeah, right. Whatever it takes. - At all costs. - If you have a runner, I also have some friends' kids that are like, literally runners. Like, they just don't, it's just in their blood. They don't turn back. - Right. - And honestly, I don't think my kids are far from that. Um, I don't know how to pronounce. Jan? - Yeah. - Jan says bye from she and her T-moon. - Oh, boo. - Don't do it. - Don't do it. - But I get it. - I get it. - It's so cheap. I get it. - Um, Harper said, get married into a man 20 years older. (laughing) - Wow. - Harper, that's a great one. Actually, I did, I remember when I was a kid, this came to me considered hypocrisy 'cause I was a legit child. I told my dad I wasn't gonna have kids 'cause I, it was a day I learned about periods and childbirth and everything, and it was so much for me to handle. - I wouldn't do that. - I was like, I'm opting out. - No, totally. - I'm totally, I love that. I said, I'm not gonna get married in, not to a mid 20 years older, and then lick of the card spell. - Look. Juliana says, I judge people who think they're cool, but I'm a very cool person. (laughing) - I'm confused. - She's cool, but she judges other people who think they're cool. - Yeah, she's like, yeah, let me think you're cool. - But she thinks she's cool. - She's like, I'm very cool. - I love that you're swaying on this side of confidence. - Yeah, I love that. - Kay said, date my now husband. - Oh wow. - Wait, I don't get that. - Oh, she said she would never date him in another marriage. (laughing) - You won. He pushed past the friends out. - He really fought for some barriers. - He persevered. - Maddie says, have children. I saw I would be child-free now. I have two, and I want four more. - Wow. - I love when I get messages. People are like, you ready to have a kid? I'm ready, and I'm three months postpartum. I'm like, no, no. - I have a theory that I was telling Addy the three to six month postpartum, there can be, there's something that happens in your hormones that can happen. - Maybe because there's a possibility of it. - It's just like, yeah, I got a pretty good number. (laughing) And it eases a little bit. - Yeah, I don't think I felt that. I just am more like, I don't wanna be pregnant for a long time. Okay, beautifully refined, I said I would never become a CrossFit geek. - It's a cool thing. - That's a real one. - I feel it, even with like, R.J. - I like, I used to be like, no, I like working out on my own. I like making my workouts. I like wearing my headphones. - There I am. - Same, Addy used to be so like, why do I need to join group fitness? I work out on my own, just fine. And then I join group fitness. I'm like, it's amazing. - I love it. - Caden said, I've swore, I'd never wear my hair in a slick back. Ha, ha, ha, that lasted five minutes. - Honestly, same. - The minute that became a trend, I was like, this was meant for me. (laughing) - Shang, what is it? - I don't know what's Shangy. - Shangy? - Shangy? - Shangy? - Shang girl, not it. - I have no idea how to say it. - Shangy? - Shangy. - Something Marie. (laughing) - Marie. - Marie. - Shangy? - You're saying I'm Kanye? (laughing) (laughing) - I'm sorry, this is Shangy. - Shangy. - I'm saying it. - Said, give my kids sugar before the age of two. - Yeah. - Mm. - I know, I was like, oh, no screeds before the age of three. - Same with screens, I was gonna say was like, when you've been older siblings. - I know, what are you gonna do? (laughing) - Sorry, honey. You gotta lock yourself in the other room, like your brother watches the show. Like, when you put your two, come out later. - For three years? Okay. - Kyra said, buy my child a character clothing, but he loves it so much and I do too now. It's such a sweet time. - Just let 'em, just let 'em. - It's supposed to be fun. - I heard that one before and I was like, why did you even think that you wouldn't do that? All my kids wear his character clothing. - I know, it's cute. - Never, oh, Macy says, never talk to my in-laws again and then start talking to them again. - Best decision. - Oh, that's a good one. - Oh, love that. - I'm glad they proved you wrong. - That's sweet. See Sully said, wipe my son's booker's office face with my bare hands. - Yeah. - This is what you gotta do. - I'll only do what you gotta do. - Yeah, like let me pick your booker 'cause I'm gonna get 'em in there. - Morgie says, let my kids eat dirt, but here we are and there's no stuff in them. (laughing) She's rolled over, she's like, you gotta do it. - You know what, they gotta do it. - That's where our vegetables grow. - That's true, Abby. That's some good encouragement. - Probably some good nutrients in them. - They're getting some good iron and stuff in them. - Not iron, not iron, but Emma said, I get mad at my hubs for leaving crap all over the house, but it's okay, I leave, it's okay if I leave my stuff. So true, I'm like killed, you're socked. You look around the house. It's a big style. (laughing) - My stuff's everywhere. - You're like, no. - Yours is just- - We're rubbing me wrong. - Have you seen that trend on Lyra people are like, my husband's toothbrush? How dare he leave his toothbrush out like this? And then he pans over to my back of his everywhere on the sink. - I know, my, that's my life. I'm weird, 'cause I'm like, if my kitchen and my living room is clean and my dining room like my lower level, it doesn't matter what my upstairs looks like. - Yeah. - My bathroom closet. - Right. - It's scary. - You need one chaotic place, I believe. - I got more than one for me. - Yeah, mine's right next to my 9 to 10. - Great. - Right where you need it. - Yeah. - Molly says where thongs. (laughing) - Now she's wearing thongs. - I felt that before the dark side. They're so comfortable. - I was like, how could that ever be comfortable? - I have a hot tank. - I didn't wear less wedgies with thongs. - Same. I'm always picking my butt when I had to put my full underwear. - You went out to wear my full underwear. - Those are my plus part of my underwear. Pregnancy and plus part of my underwear is the non thong area. - But I had to put that full opinion and I'm like, ugh. (laughing) - I think they are generations though, 'cause I feel like our moms would be like, what in the world? - What? - When did you start wearing thongs? - Oh, high school probably, but maybe even junior high. - I think I started at sixth or seventh grade. My parents knew that I wasn't talking to boys. - Yeah, yeah. - What sort of ring-bellied shorts are you saying? - I remember the cool girls were wearing them, so I was like, mom, I need to go buy 'em. - Well, I started wearing leggings and ring-bellied shorts. - And I wore volleyball, so it was like, I-- - Are you guys underwear with your leggings, people? - Absolutely, I am. - That was so shocking to the thought of just putting those on. - Raw dog in it with that, yeah. - I know. - People do that. - I know they do, and you can tell. - You can't tell, ladies, we can tell. (laughing) - Unfortunately. - We love the female body, but-- - But I-- - There's a time-- - I prefer a smoother look. (laughing) - Try your hair. - Yeah, literally a little dryer, so it's great. (laughing) Literally, okay, Mrs. Brandy said, "Swar, I would never get a house cleaner once a month, "yet here we are." Mrs. Brandy, why would you ever say that you would never do that? That is a dream. - Come true. - It is dream. - It's amazing. That's the goal. - Hurrah is great. - Thank you guys for sharing. - That's a vulnerable, we're all hypocrites. It's to be human, it's to be a hypocrite. - It really is, I honestly think. - It is. - So, there we go. - And technically it's important. - Yeah. (laughing) - Please call me out of America. - As we're-- - It's already so important. - I'm a hypocrite. - I am a hypocrite. - Ask, ask, ask, Abby. - All right, let's move on to voicemails. Once again, thank you guys for those of you that call in. - Yeah. - I'll give you a number. - Number is 602-456-9690. And it's also in our Instagram bio if you missed it. So you guys can give us a call, leave a question or a message. We are so grateful. - Yeah, and honestly, load us up because I feel like you'd be really fun to do a whole episode of. - We should do that in the next couple weeks. - Yeah. - I would love that. - We'll do it once a quarter. - Load it up. - Hey y'all, this is Madeline. I was wondering if you could only eat one breakfast, one lunch, and one dinner every day for the rest of your life. What would it be? - Thanks, that re-question. - Thank you for the question. - Who's it, Madison? - Madeline. - Madeline. Thank you for the question. Okay, let's start with breakfast. - I ate the same breakfast as me every day. - I was gonna say, I can tell you. - What is it? - Two horrible eggs. - Four? - Oh, okay, great. You're both wrong. - Both of them. - You don't know me. - Yeah, no, no. - Three eggs. Sometimes horrible eggs. I'm ashamed of them feeling crazy. And some car, but usually it's like a protein, waffle, or two, I'll have two, there's our muffin. And coffee, every morning. - Beautiful. Okay, this is my dream breakfast every day that I would eat every day for my life. Yeah, a big ol' fat cinnamon roll. - Ooh. - Maybe two, because-- - It's like a savory girl. - Really? I mean, yeah, I feel better when I start with a savory. - No, I like the taste of it better, actually. - Oh, no, I don't like the taste of savory. - I like sugar. (laughing) - But yeah, I would start with a big ol' fat cinnamon roll every day. - That's so good. - I could do that. - Lunch, I mean, I feel like I always eat leftovers, but I, a good lunch, honestly, don't get sick of, is Chipotle tacos. - Yes, they're good, they're light, they're fresh. - They're really good, they're light. - Yes, not overly full. - They're filling, they're fresh. And I feel like I just feel good when I eat them. - Yep. I could eat for lunch every day, a pesto panini sandwich. - Ooh. - Yeah, I love a good pesto on a toasty bread. Put a little cheese in there, a little feta, mozzarella, get some tomatoes. Ooh, maybe some rotisserie chicken on that. I'm actually, I have these ingredients at home. - That sounds so good. - Yeah, that sounds so good. I could eat that every day. - Dinner. - Some chips. - Ooh. - I know, ooh, chips on so good now. I feel like if I had to eat it every single day, you got to just say it's like steak inside. Like that just feels, I gotta get full. I gotta get full. And I actually really like steak. - Steak is delicious. Yeah, I'm gonna say soup. - Soup. - Oh yeah, that's a safe one. You can make it so many different ways. But yeah, I pretty much do this already. So super nice. - Like I'm actually living this up. - I'm actually living my reality. - Are you making soup tonight? - Possibly 'cause I don't have chicken thought and I've forgotten all ways to cook chicken apparently. So I probably will be putting it into a soup. - Yeah. - Chicken breast, what do you do other than this? - Yeah, I'm like, what am I supposed to do with this chicken again? - Hi, Abby. This is Anna. I have recently been reviewing my house and I've been listening to the podcast. Well, I've been painting and I was just wondering what is something in your house that makes it feel extra cozy or extra homey. Either something you've got or maybe a color painted a room or something you've added to the house. Yeah, what makes one of your spaces feel extra cozy and a homey that you really love? - I love that question. You go first. Mine is actually kind of emotional, but that painting you got me. Abby and my mother-in-law got us a really meaningful custom painting. And I feel like my house, my house up to this point has just kind of feels like anyone's house. I guess there's like, I think it's beautiful and I love my house. But I'm like, it just doesn't feel necessarily personal and this painting is just so, it's in memory of our daughter and it's so beautiful and so personal. And we put it in a place where I literally, I'm always standing at the sink or like cooking in the kitchen and I just like look at it all the time. And I'm like, ugh, it's so sweet. Amazing ride, like yeah, it's just, it's a physical thing too that you can like look at and have like, it feels like honoring and like a great memory of her. And I feel like when you gave it to me, I had no reaction because I just like shut down because I was like, oh, it's a lot of emotions and our whole family is here and I just feel like I never properly like told you how grateful I am for that. But like that's the first thing that came to my mind. Like it's so special and so beautiful. It's sweet, I know. And it kind of did a great job. Oh, yeah, I'll show you around. Her name's Autumn Matinee Design and she does, she's a really good artist. Yeah, I'm glad you like it. It's always risky like getting home. It was fun to get you said that to me. Like I was, I'm glad you like it. Because it's risky with home decor. It's like it doesn't even necessarily feel like home decor to me. Like it feels like, I don't even know how to like describe it. Like I don't know. Something deeper. Oh, the rest of my house, stuff feels like, everything else on my walls feels like home decor and that just feels like set apart like different. Yeah, good, I'm glad you like it. Yeah, that was a key of the idea. Yeah. And it was always sweet. He was like, we should get him a painting. And then yeah, we all went out together. So I'm glad you. I'm glad you like it. We were really excited to give it to you guys. So I'm glad. I think our bedroom is like my favorite room in our house. It's really cozy. And I think it's because we did paint, like our bedroom itself is a smaller square footage. And so I was like, let's make this room feel like kind of dungeon-y and cozy since it's already a little bit smaller. And so we blindwashed painted it a darker color and we brought it up to the ceiling. And I just love it. It feels so cozy. And like the little sconces on the wall with the lighting. It's just dim and really relaxing. And I love it in there. Hi, Abby, Abby, and Abby. My name is Callie. And I first wanted to say that I love listening to always hear and unplanned every week. I just find them so relatable. And they are some of my favorite podcasts. I have three kids under four. And I noticed that ever since becoming a mom, my anxiety surrounding sickness has increased. And I was wondering if any of you wrestled with that. And if you do, how do you work through it or what are some tips that you find helpful? Thank you. Oh, yeah. I've felt that a lot. Yeah, thanks for calling it and sharing that because I've definitely, especially like with CJ-- OK, when CJ was little, I don't think I worried about him getting sick at all. It was just his weird thing where I was like, you're just going to get sick. And then with Vivian, I feel like I've been more anxious about it. And I wonder if it's because you just kind of see how it affects your home when your kids get sick more. It's like, oh, when one goes down, we all go down. And like, they're so miserable. And it's sad seeing them hurt and stuff. And so I think experiencing it with CJ, then I was like, I don't want-- I don't want Vivian to have to go through that too. And so I think my anxiety, I would agree, has gotten worse maybe with the second child. So I've been trying to work through that too, and I've just started bringing her to child care finally. So I actually don't have an answer for you, because I feel like that's something I'm trying to. But maybe a little bit of exposure therapy. I know, once she gets sick, it's going to be OK. You know, like, we know what to do and how to handle it and how to take care of them. And I think I just have to remind myself that I'm like, if she does get sick or if CJ does get sick, we know what to do. We know how to handle it. And if we don't, we have a great team of doctors that can also handle it. So it's like, obviously, I'm not going to have her go lick the floor at the mall and be OK with that. But it's just inevitable when they're around other kids. And so it's like, it's better for my kids to be around other kids and to play and socialize and learn that than to keep them in a bubble. And so I just have to remind myself that. That's a good answer. Should we move on wrapping up with always eating or a new segment, I guess, where we share a recipe for the week? Someone said we should change it to always hungry, and then it's age. I did see that, and I kind of like that. OK, it's now always hungry. Guys, we've listened to you. Do you see my wall? Yes. Your wall looks so good, Eddie. I like always hungry, too, because I saw that comment. It's like, she's so brilliant. We should put her on our marketing, too. So smart, higher. Mine actually isn't a recipe link. It's a recipe that I have created in my own head. Mine is, too. Oh, my God. I don't know. I feel like I probably saw something similar to this. And then I just did my own recipe, doesn't it? I guess it's-- That's a similar technique. I actually usually follow recipes very literally. Oh, I never do. OK, yeah. So I was like, actually, I don't have a lot of links. What's yours? OK, mine. I make this side dish all the time. It's roasted parmesan potatoes. It's my favorite-- it's my favorite to make. I love it. I'll get those cute, those little-- sometimes the gold potatoes or the medley potatoes. And I'll have them put them in a bowl all together, and I'll mix them with all of this is eyeballed. OK. Olive oil, paprika, salt, and pepper, rosemary. Very important. I just do the dried rosemary. And maybe sometimes an Italian seasoning. Those are my seasonings. And you just stir it all up. Makes it up really good and coated. On a sheet pan, not oiled. I will put a bunch of parmesan cheese down on the pan. And I'll put the potatoes down, face down, and just line them up evenly on the pan. And I'll roast them in the oven at 450 for about 20-ish minutes until they're forked tender. And then when you get-- they come out, and you scrape them off the pan. And the parmesan gets all crusty. And the potatoes are really good and seasoned, and salty, and rosemary, and peppery. And it's so good, and you just dip them in some sour cream, or just have them on their own. Or it's a teziki. Not a teziki, that would not be good. But any sauce-- It can be bad. It could be bad, you're right. And it's a great side with chicken. Maybe I'll do it tonight, because I have potatoes, and I have chicken. There you go. Yeah, it's so good. And you can't mess up the seasoning. You just got to put-- Yeah, me. But it's my favorite. That sounds good. Mine is like-- I call them protein balls, but if I'm totally honest with you, don't add-- of the macros on this, because I don't think they have our protein. I don't like protein powder in my protein balls. They're fine. I drink a protein shake every day, so I'm like, this really is just like the perfect little bite. This is where-- OK. You eat lunch, and you're like, I could use a sweet tree, but I can't really-- lunch doesn't necessarily qualify for dessert in my head. And so I love a little ball, and it's literally just oats, honey, flax seeds, peanut butter. And then you can use chocolate chips, or I've been recently crushing up Cadbury eggs. Ooh. Tiss the season. You can just use any kind of chocolatey tree, and I'll put the measurements in the description that I use. Yeah. Yeah, they're not high in protein, but they are very satisfying. Here's the thing, if I'm going to have a snack or a sweet treat, I really want it to satisfy. This actually is filling, really hard. And it is very satisfying. It's really going to be a little sweet tree, and our whole family likes them, my kids will eat them. And I really like them, and I feel like they're a good staple. Just put-- make the balls, and throw them in your fridge, and just nibble at them throughout the week. You're really going to cooking seasonally. Seasonally. Really? Yeah. I'm like baking seasonally. Oh, I just think it's fun. Yeah. Oh, I do like the bake. That's the thing. I wish I like to cook as much as I like to bake. I do really like to cook, too. But baking feels more fun, but it's not as practical. Yeah. But it needs practicality, and there's days, I need that. We don't need that. Well, you guys, thank you so much for following along. We do have a review here from Brooke. She said, love this podcast, 31-year-old mom, and this is the perfect fun podcast to listen to, and the Abbey's are so sweet and fun. 10 out of 10, I recommend. Thank you, Brooke Ashley. That means so much. Thank you to all of you that engage with the podcast in any way. This is my little plug to encourage you if you haven't already done so. Like this episode, share, comment, rate, review it, do all the things, what can you do, download, save it, do the things, do all the things. And we're very grateful to you, and as is our entire team. Yes. It's all for today, ladies. Yeah, and just keep your eye out for our event. That's coming up. Oh, yeah. We'll keep you guys to come later. I can't wait to announce that. It's gonna be so fun. Well, thank you, guys, and remember, we're always here. [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING]