Botox, Beauty Standards, and Things I Said I’d Never Do (But Did Anyway)

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It's vulnerable and I just described like my body before kids versus my body after kids I just describe it as maybe more womanly more mature Things are different and I'm just like sometimes I'm like I don't know if I would have if you would have just like if I would have stood naked before myself before kids After kids I would have been like wow These have changed. This is different. I feel like but she's used this probably but also all of the girls she spreads hands are just very cute little Young people. I know. It's like I don't think anything of of it and then I'm exposed to someone and I'm like Well, you know what I'm thinking about it now and it was so cold the sprayer is cold We are not those are brown now I think it's our sacrifice. These are going in the garbage. Do you guys do you I've actually never had in person spray? Yeah, I go naked whoa you take it off In my book, they do this for a living. Do they see me? No, I mean you're not like that open I was doing poses, but they're not getting down there. I was doing this. I didn't feel like everything's tan except that I didn't feel like it was that it's really they got it. No, I didn't feel like it was that invasive. I don't know what I What was I did? But you are negative that someone has a sprayer It does it for a living. It's like my gynecologist like they do it for a living a spray tennis do it for a living come on Yeah, I don't think I think what once you undress it's better like me like I'm taking my clothes off And I'm like try to make conversation. Oh, she stays in the room. I guess yeah, why would she leave? She did stay. I think about that when I get massages. I'm like, oh, I'm so exposed. Lively under her sheet This feels weird. They know I've naked under here I remember I'm up back, you know like it just feels vulnerable. 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Yeah, it's almost like okay So if you're not sure if frownies are they're basically craft paper stickers with glue on the back This is like not exactly how it is But you wet it and then you put on your forehead and you have to make like almost like a cast on your face and it hardens And you do it while you sleep so then your face It's like controlling your muscles and freezing them for a long extended period of time So you have to stay consistent with it. I was relating reading a lot of the reviews and people say You know you do um it wears off after like an hour But if you continue to use for like 30 days and then 90 days You don't have to wear them all night like your face will stay longer Then we're off to you do them. Mm-hmm. Does that make sense? I guess I guess what's happening. I don't know. You say they stink you do them all night. They smell bad. Yeah It's just the glue that smells I sleep in them. Yeah, is it uncomfortable? No Really? I mean, it's like yeah, you can't but you're not talking or making facial expressions and it's Glow to your head. Maybe I try it. Well, I sleep on my back. I'm not a stomach sleeper or really a side sleeper So I don't know if I sleep well actually sometimes I'm on my side, but I'm kind of on my stomach. I'm totally honest Okay, so I'm wondering different things But my face isn't in my pillow. Okay, it's turned to the side like this. Yeah, I think it'd be fine Okay, yeah, I mean I'm 29 and I think with pregnancy and first part of My skin is so dry. I just look in the mirror and I'm like dang. I am aging So I wanted to do something like a fine wine. Thank you Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I just I look and not that I feel insecure about my wrinkles But I'm like hey, there's something I can do right now. It's natural and low-key whatever. Why not take care of my skin and try to Extend that and I've never been opposed to Botox But it's just not something that I want to do right now So I'm like well, let's just try this in the meantime. That's great. And hey, probably way cheaper less invasive Way cheaper. I see who put um Alexa Pena Vega posts about those all the time She knows how I knew about them. Yeah, and she does she uses them a lot and you can get them for different parts of your face Like forehead they have them for the eyes. I'm just doing my forehead right now I just can't wait for I have really chubby cheeks. It's just a fact of life and I feel like Like there's some perks to that with aging. Yeah, but also I just feel like they're gonna suck No, I doubt it. No, it's fine. We all get it This is honestly a great segue into our topic. Yeah, thank you. This is That's why I said it. Oh, okay Well, I was actually gonna ask what your front is gonna saw you use it in a video and I heard you say they were stinky Yeah, they kind of smell but not enough to make me not use them. It's just when they get wet. It's like the glue It's a price of beauty. It is So today we're talking about Botox and fillers. We are I want to know the stats. Well, I read a crazy. Well, when I was doing these frownies I was just thinking about it. I feel like you know, I'm 29 and I've just seen so many girls My age and way younger than me start with injectables. I looked up the stat It said while the average age for treatment is 43 24% of clients are aged 19 to 34 and it's pretty shocked by that by a quarter of Botox clients are 19 to 34. I feel like the 30s makes sense, but like young 20s and stuff I just was really surprised by that um, and I definitely feel like that's the way that culture has gone And what I just almost feel like has become the norm within beauty But I have some thoughts on it that I like definitely want to share. Yeah, I Honestly like bringing this up like we were like talking about I'm so interested in the conversation of Botox and fillers and something I've personally explored But it's something I've been like I've just never really had to collect my thoughts personally on it Right, and so when I knew you were gonna talk about it. I knew that Sadie Robertson and her mom had a conversation on it So I listened to that because I was like it was so good I don't have like well-developed thoughts on this and I just kind of like wanted like some perspective too You hear so much in the media too. You also see Botox like done really well You see people that look amazing that are like old and you're like what? Why does your bike probably they're doing something right? And so I just feel like there's just like so much out there and like I also have a lot of friends that are like talking about doing it. So I'm just like I'm interested to have this conversation and as like I'm like Now nearing the end of my 20s myself like entering there. I honestly, I feel like when you have kids it's like You get a couple extra rings on your tree if you know I mean Yeah, we know And so I'm like it's really been something on my mind more and I'm like I don't know what my personal opinion is on this Yeah, I feel like it's something and this is where I almost had to stop to question I'm like it almost felt that I said of course all eventually do Botox like it was just almost like that's the norm That's the expectation and I then I was like wait, that's kind of crazy that the expectation I have is that I'm going to go spend Thousands of dollars on something to try to achieve A standard and I'm not saying never going to do it like I I feel like I probably will eventually at some point and I'd actually have done it in the past Talk about it. I did it once when I was 24 and I want a gift card and To a med spa and I went and got it done and I actually previously Gone to my friend did social media in Kansas City and she brought me to one of her events there And I got a consultation at this salon event and the lady was like hey you're 24 you're really young You barely have wrinkles, but if you wanted to do something preventative, I would maybe do like 11 units on your forehead So is that 11 syringes? No, I don't really know what the difference between a unit and a syringes is that like Yeah, I'm not affluent. Yeah, I'll have a you can fact check that one But usually it's like $10 a unit maybe or $10 a syringe at that time. That's what it was So roughly it was going to cost $110 So in my head I had that number. I was like okay, that's not what I want to spend right now. Do you have a fact? Yeah A syringe is a hundred units. So like a full syringe is a hundred units. Oh, okay. That's yeah, so it wasn't very much Let's get in any of that let's get in the tent of that. Okay. Um, so yeah 10 11 units Um, so I had that in my head So then when I won this gift card, it was $200. I went to this med spa on the lady said Minimum I'm going to put 30 units in your forehead and I said whoa That's like a lot more than I was expecting because I previously been told this and she said well I wouldn't even do anything less than 20 units on your 11s So I had a $200 gift card that I spent fully just right here I'm between my eyebrows that I wasn't even concerned about my eyebrows I wanted like my forehead wrinkles and that really rubbed me the wrong way I felt like she kind of took advantage of me like I Mean I had a good consultation. So that's where like I feel like a lot of my Thoughts on this come in is that I feel like when girls are young They've been selling this idea of preventative Botox and that's been the the conversation like Micro Botox preventative Botox start now while you're young See don't have as many wrinkles later, and it's not as expensive, but if you're still going and spending 100 to 300 dollars when you're 22 and it metabolizes in three to six months like that's so much money and like people's pockets that Really I'm like it wasn't beneficial like I feel like when you're that young we are in our fountain of youth You know like four-year-olds are trying to look like what we naturally look like in our 20s Mm-hmm, and so that was kind of like I was like whom this is not really something that I think I should be keeping up at this point Mm-hmm, and also just like the financial aspect wasn't in the it wasn't even a conversation, but I was like dang. This is really Kind of an interesting marketing tactic Mm-hmm. I think it was like praying on our fear like my fear of getting older In like aging as such a young age and I was like I'm actually My skin is perfect my skin producing collagen amazingly. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Yeah No, that's a good point. I just found this thing that says how much Botox do I need and it shows each segment? So for your eleventh it says it's typically 10 to 30 units So the fact that she wanted to start with 20 is kind of I know and I didn't even have wrinkles in my eleventh so these are just Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I just felt really taken advantage of and that appointment. Did you like the results? You know what the it's kind of funny how they kicked in because it takes two weeks for it to fully settle and work And I remember the one day my eyebrow like head fully froze and I was making videos when I had my clothing store at the time and Like one eyebrow and the one video is like not moving and the other eyebrows moving. I'm like this is kind of scary Hopefully it doesn't stay like this. Oh, I hate that feeling when you get dental work done and then Your mouth ain't moving. Can't take a drink of my jaw To be honest, I didn't really notice the big difference. Okay. Yeah, I was so young I just didn't really have any wrinkles. Well, okay on the other side of things when people I see that I have like I'm like, oh wow, their skin is like really looks really great. Mm-hmm. My friends are like very transparent They're like oh, it's because I get Botox. I know they look amazing like it's really shiny and like smooth And I thought it was like I was like what it's fully either using I wouldn't have necessarily attributed that to Botox I would have attributed that to some type of skincare sure I'm sure some type of like I don't know maybe red light I was like what is it and then they're like honestly I just keep getting Botox and make they said it makes your makeup lay on like go on really nicely I believe that and so I was like, oh, that's awesome, but I'd it's never something I'd like seriously considered I Feel like it's one of those things where I'm like once you start it feels like another thing to do It's like I already get my hair done. I get my nails done Like I'm like, it's just another thing like to add on like regularly like the maintenance of a being a woman that rooms herself Like and so I'm like gosh, I got a spray tan like and so I guess that like opens up the conversation of like where do you draw the line because in my head I'm like okay I It's really important to be content and confident in like who you are naturally I'm also like me saying that I would make up basically every day. I get my hair Highlighted. I have a spray ten right now. I get my nails done. I wear clothes that flat on my body like I Or I try to and so things like that. I'm like where does the line draw? Where does it become like an issue? Where does it become too far? Mm-hmm, and so that's like what I've been thinking about like and preparing for this like where is like the line for me? I got my teeth done for heaven's sake Yeah, and so that's like a big shit that's permanent right and so yeah Like getting that like where does it become a problem because I think we can all agree that it can become a problem and it can become a thing where It's just one more another thing another thing another thing right and the other issue that I've Find with this type of like I don't know what to call it like slippery slope Mm-hmm is that the more you hear about these procedures the more you were like oh my gosh Wait, is that a problem? I have like you guys were telling me about procedures with eyelids. Mm-hmm I never once thought twice about my eyelids. Yeah, uh, you might like chin, mm-hmm for heads hair a lot like everything Just I'm like I didn't even I never thought twice about these things and it's one thing to hear it I feel like now is like a mom of two and like 27 and I'm like okay. I feel like I have like a Balance head on my shoulders. I'm like okay. This is a little bit. This is a little bit extreme, right But if you're young and like 16 hearing these things you're just like probably just examining in the mirror like okay Whatever my eyelids doing one of my nose. What is like right? All these different things and then I also feel like I want to tangent here They all start looking the same if we're all getting the same procedure It's done and these cosmetic surgeons are doing the same things Essentially like we're all just starting to look more and more like each other right and that's not Necessarily how we were designed so basically like where do you draw the line for sure? I think that's always the question and I guess I I mean I have zero judgment towards people like it anything right young old whatever I'm like I have chocolate teeth right now Yeah, I will probably get Botox like it's not anything that I have judgment But I think it does the questions need to be asked like when is it when is it damaging or when is it okay? Like I think that's those are the questions we all need to ask ourselves before we make those decisions to do it and sometimes I'm like when Really young people are going in to like get injections or filler or different things on my dang It just I'm like is your the I don't know and just like you have such you have so much longer in your 20s and your 30s Like grow in your confidence in yourself, and I feel like at that age at you know my young 20 is like there were a lot of things I felt insecure about and I was just becoming a woman, you know And so then to have these messages of like oh, you're not pretty enough. You're not young enough You're not you don't you don't look at this like look at that. It's like I think it's easy then to think oh I have to do something to like change my appearance to have confidence or be pretty or like follow the standards of the world and what they say we should do And so I just think that's a really like I just feel like those are hard messages for young women to hear yeah agreed And so it's like if you're trying to go in to make a change because you feel insecure about something I feel like that is like a different question versus like oh I get my hair highlighted because I have gray hairs And like I want to cover you know I gray hairs or get my hair cut because it's healthier You know like I feel like there's a difference between Maintenance and then like changing something because you feel really insecure about something like those are two different motives Right, that is true. That's a good point and so none of those murders are bad I just think they you need to evaluate deeply and like think through them really clearly. Yeah permanent decisions Like maybe by the time you're in your 30s Hopefully your sense of self is more established more and it's not like yes dependent on these like procedures these like external things. Yeah, and I guess like when I was first like talking it over I kept like thinking I'm like okay your confidence can't be Reliant on this and I don't think that was actually the right word mm-hmm. I feel like it really is like Like Sadie and her mom were saying like it's your contentment can't rely on that right because I can't say because I was telling talking about all this My goes I got a hair transplant I feel more confident now. Yeah, and then I was like well I guess that's like I do feel like a little bit more confident when I put together and like that was actually even my advice at one point I'm like just do a little bit of something that gives you like a little bit since so it's like it's not necessarily Confidence I do think that confidence does go much deeper than that like true confidence and like identity in Yourself goes much deeper than that But I think there's a certain level like if we're like you can get that shallow threshold of confidence Boost from like these some of these external things right, but truly if it's like your contentment in yourself like you feel Like settled in your own skin with what you have with how you're showing up for people mm-hmm like that can't Come from these procedures like that's where I think it becomes a problem and then people are just continuing to spend money and Pursue the next thing the next thing the next thing and then then then you look in the mirror And you don't even recognize yourself anymore. Yeah, and I also think okay, this is another I don't even know if we're ready to jump to the next my next thought about this Yeah as someone that is like in the like we're people in the quote unquote public eye. Yeah This is something that my opinion has changed on and I used to think okay Like even if you're in the public eye, you don't owe anyone anything like you don't have to tell them Squat about your life, especially if it's like regarding your health or something just like private in nature and I do have a caveat now and I really do think that there is some type of moral duty if you're in the public eye especially like Towards other women to be transparent about some of those things. Yeah, and it's not necessarily like okay You don't need to give them the details of your personal life, but if they're like looking at your face every day and they're like Why doesn't my face not look like that like gosh? I can buy her makeup. I can buy her skin care I can buy like I can you know do the red like I can do these things. It's just not really looking the same I think there is a more I think there is a moral duty there. Yeah, and like like, it's not shame for anyone that isn't doing it, but I personally feel that. So like, I don't know. No, I agree. I think one, it's really good, especially if like younger viewers that have these expectations of like, I wanna look a certain way, but I obviously can't achieve that, right? And so like what you're saying, I just second that a lot. I really deeply respect people when they do share what they've done because it is deeply personal and it probably is hard. And I think too, like when you are public and you start talking about, oh yeah, I did this to my face, I got this or that. Then people are like, oh, she was into courage, she wanted to change. And it does open them up to like, I think trolls to really pick on them, right? And so I really respect people when they do share, 'cause I'm like, that was hard and probably, like scary to share. And I think you're right. I especially to the younger viewer, I'm like, I think it is important to know that like, that's just not, it's okay that that's not natural. And, you know, I think it helps set the bar of expectations for self. I think since it's getting more normalized, people are sharing more about what they've had done, different things, like Kylie Jenner came out and said exactly what her boobs, how she got them done. And then people are like going and getting that exact style, like everything and like happening. - Seeing how her boobs look the same to her. - That's a thing. And that's, all this whole talk made me think about Pamela Anderson. So she stopped wearing makeup a few years ago to everything. She never wears makeup anymore. And it's different. Like you see her on a red carpet with no makeup on and it really just, we're so used to everyone being so glam on those carpets that you're like, whoa, and now you just know her that she's, she's just gonna show up and just be herself. And so that's kind of the opposite of being in the public eye and she said, she described it as a rebellious move against Hollywood's beauty standards. - That's awesome. - Just that aging is natural. Women shouldn't feel forced to hide. They're aging and it's been fun and freeing for her. - I think that's really interesting because my mom has never had anything done to her fate. My mom has had some intense facials and lasers and things like that, so maybe you would consider that. But she's never had Botox or anything. I think she's done a really good job. She has three daughters of like setting this example of aging naturally and gracious, if you're kind of talking about this, your mom is the same. Like I look at her moms and like in your mom too. Like they're so beautiful. And they've aged so well and just show like a really natural progression of that as a woman. And I do think it is sad when I think about, "Oh yeah, that's just my expectation." Like I'll eventually end up getting Botox. Part of me is like a little sad that I'm like, "Oh dang, now I have a daughter." And like what's example is that setting for her? Like is she gonna look and think, okay eventually I'm gonna have to make changes to my face or do some of these more extreme measures to like keep up. And I think that is like really something strongly that I think about a lot. I'm like I don't know what the right answer is. - That was my other big point that I think about a lot because I think you also have a specific duty, not just in the public eye, but also as a mom. And I think especially to daughters, but I think the same thing extends to boys as well. Like when you make permanent alterations to your body, specifically your face, like genetics that you are, you can probably see like mirrored in your children. - Yeah. - Changing that, like I can't speak from experience because like you said, like my mom has just, she's never had anything done. Literally anything done except for dying her hair. - I can't say that from my experience, but I have to assume that there would be like a question opened up in my mind, like if my mom had to, okay for instance, I don't like love my nose. Let's just put my insecurities out there. I don't love my nose. - Oh, I didn't do that. - We trade, oh that's fine. - It's a great nose. - I've never thought that. - It's fine. And we just trade market as the bizzball nose, my maiden name, and it's just one of those things. And I'm like man, okay, even if I like go, and I, first of all, maybe I'm a hypocrite. I don't see myself changing this ever, you know? It's just how it is. - Sure. - It's me, it's my nose. And but also like what does that implication mean for like my children? Like what if they're like, did my nose look like moms and then she ended up changing it? Or like I just do think it opens up like a, what's wrong with me then? Or like do I need to get this changed too? And yeah, I'd be curious. People, people, leave a comment if your mom did stuff and it made you wonder, 'cause I genuinely want to know. And I've never talked to anyone. Like I would love to read the comments on that and get people's opinions, because I feel like that is, like I'm just sharing my thoughts. Like I don't know. - From my experience, my friends that have moms that had worked on, which I also think that the numbers are, as you're saying, like the statistics are going up like crazy. So we're gonna have a lot more data for like really our kids' generation. - Yeah. - But my friends, their moms have more work done. They have sought a lot more plastic surgery. - Yeah. - Like permanent. - Totally. - I mean, it desensitizes it, you know? It's like, oh, that's just an expectation. My mom did that, of course I'll do it. I think that's part of it too, is like the desensitization of it all. I mean, we grew up in the Midwest, where this is still like, - Right. - D with Lee Taboo, I would say. - Oh, yes. - It's just a little bit of a different culture around it. Like they're with the Botox moms, you know what I mean? And they were kind of like, - I don't know what you mean. - Oh really? - Growing up in a small town is an amazing bubble. Because, like I was saying, like growing up, I had no idea what Lulu Lemon was. I didn't know what any nice brand was. Everyone shopped at TJ Maxx and Old Navy. Like everyone's clothes were from there, or Walmart, or like the thrift stores. Like there was no like next level there. No one, everyone had the same hairdresser's. Like no one, there was no, but I can mark my words. There was like literally not one person that was doing any type of med spa treatment. There was no med spa's. And so like, that was just not a thing. And so I don't even remember even a talk of like plastic surgery. I just remember my mom and grandma was being like, oh my, like it was just like the ultimate vanity. And so like, and like vanity was like really like, discouraged, like highly discouraged, which I think is a good thing. But also it is like, it opens up the conversation of like hypocrisy in a way. 'Cause like where do you draw the line? Because my grandma also, like love her to death. And I say this like in an admiring way. 'Cause I do, I think it's womanly and sweet and cute. But she would show up to her water aerobics class with a full face of makeup, her hair curled. And when she was so mad, she got splashed. Right. So it's so mad she got splashed. She would literally like complain. She's like this guy, he splashed me in the pool. And I had my makeup in my lips. She would never like let me take a selfie with her without lipstick on. And so anyway, it does just like, there's just so much conversation. So many like, I have so many untethered thoughts in this area. So many like disconnected hypocritical, potentially like thoughts in this area. And so I just like, yeah. 'Cause like you're saying, I feel like the Botox saying, I was like, I would never do that. Right. And then the more that you're around it here, I think moving out west also too. We're just around it more. We're just around it. Oh yeah, that's not a big deal. It's like yeah. And I guess in my head I'm like, why does it feel different? Why does it feel like the next step? And I think probably the price point of it. Like it was always accessible to certain people and not to others. And I think that is maybe wine or head. 'Cause I was thinking the same thing. I'm like, how is it different than like going to the gym and like working out to have a good body or like getting your nails done or getting your hair? Like how is Botox different than these things? I think it's just the price point separated people from it. You know, it's like one was accessible to everyone and Botox wasn't. And so I feel like that is, I'm having a breakdown in my head. These things on my now it's more accessible to more people and more people know about it. So then does it hold the same weight of like, oh, this is way more vain than other things or is it just more accessible? Do you know what I'm saying? Like did it only feel really vain to me because it was expensive? I don't know why like in my head it was just like, because it was a needle. And I was like, it's dramatic. Something's going into your body. Like rather than like on top or like changing your hair. Yeah. I mean it does feel more extreme. It's like freezing your muscles. Here's one thing, too, is having a daughter. I'm like, I don't see myself getting Botox out. Like I don't see myself doing anything really. Maybe a boob job eventually. Never thought I would say that. That's insane. I'm at that point now. She's trying to do that. You start considering all times the thing. But I think knowing you guys and let's say you got Botox, you got your teeth done. Let's say you got a nose job. I would feel 100% confident if Brielle wanted to talk to someone about it. Her being able to talk to you guys about it because I know you would have thought through that decision and gone through all the thoughts about it. And so that's why I'm like, if you guys did get worked on, I'm like, I know they've thought about it. I know they've processed it enough that it's not just, I hate this about myself, I might change it. Yeah, I think that's part of the danger when it comes to these things. It's like, I think it's so easy and it is so accessible. And now this is the flip side of like people sharing what they've gotten done on my day. Now everyone knows about all these things that you can do. And so then it's like, oh, I have the slightest issue of this, like I just want to tweak it a little bit and then it'll be better. And that is like a really, really, I think you're always having a moving goal post of like what your state or of what your picture of yourself is beautiful is, like the goal post is always going to move. If you're like the slightest thing, I can be perfect. And that is like, I think it goes back to what you were talking about contentment. This was really, I was really impressed. And I highly respect Jesse from Secret Life of Mormon Lives. She just made a video of the past week sharing about, she had some pretty dramatic fat grafting done on her face and some different things. I don't remember what her surgeries were, but she didn't really understand the side effects of what it was going to be and what her outcome was going to be. She just kind of trusted what the doctor said. And she said that she deeply regrets it. And she's like, I hate the way I look. I wish I'd ask more questions. I just went off of what was recommended to me and I didn't really fully understand what I was getting into. and I wish so, Bailey, I could go back and change it. And she was really honest about doing these things out of insecurity, which I'm like, I just think that's like a really amazing example for her to set to young girls. Like, one, it's okay to talk about our insecurities. And like, I was really impressed with her video on it. But I just think we're gonna see a lot more of that, like, inner day and age of people that are gonna do things and then wish they could go back. Because it is just so easy to get stuff done. - I think that's really admirable too. I love how you say, like, you're impressed by her, being in the public eye and talking about work that she's had done in insecurities too. This, my thought was that kind of incomplete earlier about, like, sharing, like, people in the public eye that have cosmetic procedures done of any kind really. A good point that Sadie had made is that if your job, as an influencer, your job is essentially marketing. And a lot of times, your marketing products that are related to skincare and beauty. And then if you're, like, saying, like, if you're, maybe if you're not explicitly saying, but the message underlying is that, like, I look this way because I'm using said product and it's like, that's actually can be considered dishonest. Because it's not telling the full truth. It's like a half truth. It's like, oh, and I also spent thousands of dollars getting Botox and filler. And so it's like, there is almost, like, that's where it almost feels like this transparency is, should maybe be, I'm not gonna say mandatory, 'cause that surely feels crazy. But, like, morally warranted. I don't know. And so, 'cause, like, maybe she is also, like, marketing beauty products, skincare products, I'm assuming, of some sort. Yeah, that's an interesting thought. For sure. I have kind of a hot take. And I want to say this, like, gently, but also it is just, like, an opinion that I have. So I'm gonna be able to share it freely. Wait, let's just also say this. Let's normalize, disagreeing with people and it's actually okay. Yeah. And that's what is making this world spin around. Yes. And I'm specifically, okay, I feel like Botox is like one thing. I feel like filler is a totally different thing. Interesting. I do in my head. I'm like, I don't think Botox is severely changing your face, whereas I feel like filler is going in and changing your face. So I feel like that distinction is, like, I know confidently, I will never get filler in my face, personally. Because I think filler, a lot of times, follows body trends, and that goal, that post is always changing. You're right, it is a trend because now I've seen the trend of people getting filler to dissolve. Yes. And so I'm like, that doesn't even mean. I know, it's filled. What do they do to dissolve it? They just, it's painful. Yeah, it's like another chemical you have to put in your body to dissolve it and get it taken out. So I'm like, dang, I just feel like filler to me feels like, I, there's so many women are just really casually getting filler. And I'm like, are they the same people doing it though? Because I feel like if you go in for an appointment, I'm just speaking out of my butt here because I don't actually, I've never been to one of these appointments. And they're like, oh, well, these kind of like, this can correct this. And it's like, I don't know. Because like, you went in to just get this done, and that would be me this. Yes. I feel like you could easily be talked into both. Because it's so easy. And I think we have to remember that Med Spa people, hey, I love Med Spa people, there's nothing you can do. But like, y'all are also salespeople. Okay, I have to remember being sold a product. They're trying to make money. It's a business. And I'm not saying that's in a malicious way, they're trying to do that. Like, I think they genuinely think you're going to look beautiful at the end of it, and their work in their product is great. But like, they're going to try to sell you on things that like, maybe you didn't think that you needed or like, necessarily needed. So I was like, getting multiple opinions is probably the best way to go. So that's my hot take. I personally am like, oh, filler just feels like such a intense slippery slope. That is a body trend. Like, I feel like that's always going to move a very hot take. Okay, good. Also, this is how your opinions form, right? Like, your own lived life experiences. And then life has a way of giving you new experiences. And then you change your mind. And that's how that's healthy and good. And appropriate. But also, like I grew up in a, like we said, Midwest, small town. My grandma's and my mom have had like literally nothing except for getting their hair done. And my grandma's have like, beautiful skin. Like I think about like, I'm like, okay, I mean, I just rely on my genetics. Yeah. I don't know. I just like, gosh, the upkeep just feels kind of miserable, like at that point. Like I'm like, I don't know. I know. It is. It's a lot. But I'm also like, here's the other side. Flipside. I love being a woman. Like, I love girly things. I know. I love getting my hair done. I love wearing makeup. I love shopping for clothes. Yeah. I love doing nails. Like, I love all these like girly fun things. Mm-hmm. So that's the flipside. I also just think it's fun. And if that's the thing that you're like, I just think it's fun. And it's really not that serious. And I feel- That's a great motive. More feminine. I think that's a great motive. Great motive. I just think it's fun. Yeah, I think so too. I think it's fun. I think it's fun. I think it's fun. I think it's fun. Totally. That's why I feel a messy bad out. I'm like, when did you- Like, when did you know- tips that really helps their club thumbs okay and you know what there's probably a procedure for that yeah really love you that's why make it fucks my icon okay I only know one of the natural she did my best friend from high school had that and that was the first person that I knew I had club thumbs and then you came into my life and I'm like I can never win a thumb war or maybe you're really good it's like really strong yeah no I think that is a good conversation again there's no judgment on anything like yeah yeah and so it's like this isn't really that different I could see where you can make the argument put this all in the same category yeah I think I just vanity mostly just get upset at like young girls that I feel like are preyed on that's what makes me mad about it I'm like I'm not even thinking about 30-year-olds 40-year-olds I'm thinking about like the young 20-year-olds that are like I have to do this and it's prevented Botox I'm like no offense but your body's gonna get used to that in 10 years and you're gonna have to get more and it's like I don't even know if that's true is it true that Botox can help with headaches I think that is true yeah yeah you guys my excuse yeah hello would you would you first do Botox versus like the piercing that people say help with I actually I feel like I trust more Botox more just because the type of headaches I get to you are all right here so I'm like what would something here do I don't like I get them all in the front of my head sure but also right now as of right now let's mark my words it is March of 2026 sometimes I don't know the year as of March 2026 I'm not in the market for Botox probably down the line I know and here no here's what you can do you can clock me down the line let me stitch me have my invitation for when I'm getting heels in my head because here's what you can count on I will be transparent I'll tell you guys about you yeah and so that honestly kind of do we say everything you want to say about Botox infillers yeah I kind of naturally moves us on to our next segment in which we talk about ways in which we are hypocrites hypocrites let's let's talk about it because like we said like your life you live it and you're given new experiences and then your once held opinions might change and I think that's good and healthy but also could maybe give us the definition of hypocrite yes Wendy Williams used to always say I'm a woman I can change my mind I can change my mind Perustin Pyöräilyvaateita Valmistavan Ornottin vuonna 233 Mielestä ni parasta Shopify saan se että voimeharrioittaa liiketoimintaa Irman teknista osaamista voimehallinoida yrityksen taustajärjestelmia ja frontendia sekä myyden verkossa vaivatta jos Shopify olisi pyöräilyvaruste so olisi Mielestä ni itse polku pyörä sillä asiat hoidetaan ja meidän liiketoiminta mehoituu Shopify saaloita ilmainen kokeilu Shopify piste kom sivustolla this is a really natural hypocrisy thing because we were literally just talking about this I am as of right now probably out on Botox infillers I will be getting rest my and here girls will be like my head worked up don't put any foreign substance in your body just silicone big silicone not even big no I actually don't want the big but um yeah so you really could find if someone there is for sure I probably said it multiple times I will never get them done you know what I said that it's because I had naturally good boobs right you had the best that's what I've ever seen to be honest thank you so much and so I was like running my mouth like oh I would never change anything about myself and then I have nurse two babies things happen and you know what I'm also just gonna give myself a little bit of a free pass here in a way and say I have been told that I had the biggest transformation that anyone has ever seen in that department that video you made that went super viral by your when you were showing that what you texted it to Blake he got or you showed it to Blake he goes that's AI the fact that that's my brother I remember I remember I mean you look amazing this is not but I just remember when we were nursing together like right after we had CJ and Augie and we had we were like in one bedroom just looking at each other we were like this is crazy and I just remember like I was like wow how do they say on her body I remember thinking He was so big. (laughs) - Looking at all of you. - Oh, he was big. - He's not a small baby. - No, he's head in comparison. - And when you think of that audio that people, do you have a picture about? - I don't want to see it actually. - And I think about that audio from Nemo, it's like, "There's gotta be another way." He's just a boy. And it's like me like, "True rock." It was just so. Ha! (laughing) - It's honestly impressive. Like, that's a flagged. - Because that's one of the amazing stories. - I don't know what I'm sweating. It was so uncomfortable, so crazy, so shocking, so many stretch marks and veins. - You're such a petite, small person. - That's what made it so look extreme. You're so smart, too. - You have a short torso. - A short, short person. - You're so small, and that's just, I've never seen. - The problem, too, is how hard they were. - Yes. - And so they couldn't squish, so they had to go out. So if you really were to take a stencil of me. - And so anyway, all I just say, they've been through some things, and they didn't come out the other side, look in the same. - Sure. - They don't recognize themselves if they were looking in the mirror. They're like, "That would never be me." And so I am just saying, I would love for that to be a day in which they return to their original state of some sort. Obviously, it's gonna be a new version of the original. I'm not gonna chase my body before. Like, there's a couple things like, I know you can change, like, you can get your C-section scar laser off. - Oh, really? - That, I'm like-- - I don't care about. - No one's seeing that. - Well, of course they sound like-- - No one's just like me and my-- - I can't even see it. Right. (laughing) - And actually, I choose not to look nothing. - Yeah, that is fine. - I'm not trying to seek genuinely. I'm not trying to get my body back to what I was before. I'm a totally different person, so obviously my body should reflect those changes. That's just one of those things where I'm like, please, it would be fun. Okay, I think it'd be a lot of fun. It'd be so fun. - Rarely, yeah, yeah. - I'm curious, would you? - Get your lips on. - I like the door's not closed. But like, talk to me after my fourth kid. And that's more than I, because after the first, I was like, no, they're fine. I'll keep in the way they are. But you know, every time they grow and they go back and they grow and then they get smaller. - Every time they get smaller. - And it gets, it looks different every time. So I'm like, I'm not gonna make any decisions until I'm fully done. And by the time, maybe I won't care. I'm not even done breastfeeding, I'm already like, I'm gonna need stuff. - I don't want my nipples to be crossed out. (laughs) - I do some freaky things. - I'm like, it cools. - They're not right now, but I'm just saying, like I don't know what's gonna happen down the line. - No one needs to be seeing what this looks like. - I will wait until the baby factory is closed. - I will wait until then. And I also have prepped my father already. - Yeah, I think that's good. I'm like, we're just prepping. Prepping the public, because I know that everyone gets mixed in. (laughs) Everyone knows. - I think you're beautiful and perfect the way you are, but thank you for the professional operation. - Thank you everybody. I prepped my dad, because I know that he's not really. - That's the most awkward, that's the most awkward one of them all. - I'm like, dad, my dad knows what I've done. - Just so you know, no, you gotta prep him. Because I don't want you to be startled. - Right. - You just come back one day and he's like, whoa. (laughs) - Oh my goodness. - Yeah, so that is where I am major hypocrite. - Wow. - I'm a hypocrite, and I got really flattered one time though, because I did get a consultation. - Really? - And she was like, you don't need a lift. And I was like, tell me more. (laughs) I was like, well that was so nice. - Oh my goodness, I didn't know that. - I know. - Well, see, what happens on the line? I'm like, the direction we're heading is south. - Right. - I feel like the scary, I'm like, how do you pick a surgeon for something like that? I'm like, ooh, that feels like a big decision. - Oh, recommendation from friends. There's actually one person in this area that has done everyone with all your friends. - Yeah, great, so we know. - We know who to go to. - You know a guy. - It is a guy. - It is a guy. - I feel like that doesn't, I don't think they think of that. - It does kind of bother me. - Really? - Yeah, quick, yeah. It's cosmetic. If it was like health, I feel like I categorize it as like, oh, it's for health. This is like cosmetic. So. - I guess, yeah. - Yeah, I can see that. - I did get a consultation from a woman though, and she was, I didn't get a vibe, so. - I would think men are more gentle with women. I do think so. - Women know how tough we are. - Exactly, that's what we know that you're tough. - I think that the truth. - I said that about my OB too. - Yeah. - I ended up with the man, the male doctor, and I was so happy about it. - Yes, it was great. - Well, I loved, I mean, all the doctors on our practice are so amazing. But I used to be like, oh, I don't want a male OBGYN, and then they came in, you're just like, I don't care. Like, please get this, help me, help me. - Help me. - Help me. - Give me answers. - I was like, please admit me. - Yeah, clearly. Okay, my first one, I'll go with my, I had one beauty one that I'll do. I said about three years ago, I will never go blonde again. And yeah, last year, I was like, I immediately need to go blonde. It was just like something that triggered me. I was like, I want to just let my hair go natural color and be, you know, look darker, a little bit more ethnic. (laughing) You know, like a little bit more exotic, you know, my natural self. And then I got pregnant, and I started to feel like, I was looking really old. And then I walked in there and I'm like, maybe like young and blonde and bright and beautiful on the point. - Remember the last time I got my hair highlighted for you? I think you were there. - What happened? - Our father in law, he was like, one day you're gonna not go blonde anymore. - Oh, I didn't answer that. - I was like, I'm gonna always need to be bright. (laughing) - No, there's just something about going a little lighter that just makes you feel alive. - It's just like, yeah, I'm like, woo, I'm just so fun, so fresh. So I said I would never do it again and I went it again. And I'll probably, I'll go back and forth and that a lot. But that was pretty hypocritical of me. I was so firm, I'm like, I will not do that. I also want to describe you as blonde, but you got your hair highlighted. - I got it highlighted, yeah. - And I was like, I'm done with that. And I was such a hypocrite. - Yeah, that's gonna be, that would be hard for me to let go of. That would be really hard. - It's a good one. - I won't get it done twice a year, but that. - I've never seen your mom with her natural hair color. - I know, it's dark. - I know. - I will say, I think Brunette's have it easier. Blonde to keep up your blonde. And like, as you get older, roots get darker, that's a lot of upkeep. It's really low upkeep for me. 'Cause once it grows out, I'm like, it just looks like my brown hair. Maybe I'm delusional. (laughs) - I love your hair color. It's like, Carmely right now. - Thank you. - I'm getting it done this month. - Let's take a blast to the past. High school, Abby, middle school, Abby. This one's an old one, but Matt reminded me of this. I always, I think, okay. Let me just say that this started probably at the root of my parents would always like tease me and say that I would have crushes on guys. I was like, I do not have a crush on them. And I'm like, every dad has to do that in every moment in bubble. And so there was like, I had a childhood friend that I grew up with and my dad would literally always say, like, I had a crush on him and I really did not. I did not. And so I was like, dad, I was like, no. And I said anyway, I will never marry a theater kid. (laughs) - I know. - And I always said that. I was like, I would never see a theater with me. And I was like, I will never do that. I'm not interested, not my type, all these things. And what I do, what you do. - Married a theater kid, the most theater. (laughs) - I'm sure you say the most theater kid. - The most theater kid. - He loves performing. And so that, I mean, that was just like a, there's no, like, I kind of cave. Like I did the, literally complete opposite. - Literally completely opposite. - That's so funny. That's a funny thing to like put your stakes in the ground on. I will not marry a theater kid. - It was so specific. It was like, I had to break that. - Of course. - Because I like really dug in. - Why are we setting rules for ourselves to kid cute? - I know. - Gosh, I really thought I could have relied on that one too. - Right. - I was like, that was pretty safe bet. Like, what are the odds? - Right, of course. - Well, here we are. - Um, okay, my next one's kind of, this is bad. - Okay. (laughs) - What? - It's gonna potentially affect my work. (laughs) Um, so I talk a lot about budgeting. And, like, it's really important. We preach a lot. I do all these rocket money ads. And we love that rocket, love rocket money. I'm not saying that we love it. We've used it for years. Um, I'm always like, you need to be financially responsible and like, have good budgets with your husband and like, be a team with finances. Yeah, I don't think I've ever looked at our budget. Oh, my own. (laughs) - Oh, on your own. - Oh, my own, oh, my own. Like, Caleb and I will go, we'll have our talks together, but I'm not looking at it independently. Like, play my play. - Never ever have I ever opened. Like, my app always unloads. And then I have to reload it when Caleb's like, let's talk about the budget. It just always all loads. - You're like, let me, wait a minute. Let me log in. It's in the cloud. It's in the cloud. - I never look at it. - Okay. - That's hypocritical. - Does that bother Caleb? - I think he's gonna find out when this podcast airs. - Oh. (laughs) - Well, it means he must not be going over. - Right. Well, you know what, I do sometimes. - Okay. - Yeah, I do sometimes. He's like, wow, this month was crazy. I'm like, so sorry. The budget. You know, I'm like, oh, I should have been looking, like I'm shocked. - I've never. - I wonder how common that is though, because I'm the budgeter in our family. Blake, Blake, we're not have our app. - Right. - So I'm loaded on his phone that we budget through every dollar for Dave Ramsey's. - Yeah. Blake has never logged into it, ever. He wouldn't know how to use it. - Yeah. - And I do it all. So I wonder if that's normal actually. - Yeah, I'm like, Caleb, I think looks at it multiple times a week. - Yeah. - So I use it every single day. - Yeah. - I budget everything every day. - Every single day I budget. I put the, you categorize it all. Yeah. - See, rock 'em when you automatically categorize it. So I'm like, we don't have to keep up on top of it. So maybe that's, I'm just giving myself an excuse. We do love the app. Like, I talk about it all the time. It's been life changing for our marriage because Caleb does a really good job of keeping track of our money. And I'm aware, but yeah, I'm just not individually going and ever looking at it. And that's extremely, like, I'm like, do we take this out? Is this, is this, do we need to cut this? I'm gonna add it. Keep it in. Okay. Snaps to addy. No, it's pretty. You have sweating. I'm sweating. Have a critical. Another one I have, this is in the category of parenting, which honestly, you could probably write a whole book on this. I don't even want to know what I said before I had kids. Oh. Yeah, my next one. You should never be allowed to say anything about what you want to do when you're a parent and tell your in that ship. And also that goes for like, don't say it until you're also in that stage, because like, I'm sure I've said stuff about high school kids, middle school kids, elementary school kids, I need to just shut my trap up. Totally. I don't know. I don't know. I agree. I don't know. You don't know until you're living in. I don't know what you're walking through of it. Nothing honestly has revealed my hypocr- my own hypocrisy more to me than being a parent. No, literally. It's literally, it's also just so, just like slapping the face. I know. Wait a minute. I know. Did I say that? Gosh. So many. So I could, once again, this is just plucking one, but this one's so obvious because I even said it once I had kids, but then it changed once I had toddlers. I said no kids in the bedroom. We have guests every night. Literally every night. It's a very rare day that I wake up and there's just me and Matt in the room. Of course. Now at this point, we don't have guests in the bed, but I'm also never going to say that's never going to happen. Right. We might get a mega bed. Once again. Honestly, it's all, it's all up for grabs. It's all open. I can't be clocked. I'm saying I'm not doing anything different. Right, right. Literally. So yeah. Right now, there's no kids in the bed. There's kids in the room. Of course, of course. And that's pretty much the same thing. So yeah. We have just, and you know what? I got to say I actually kind of like it. Yeah. It's sweet. It's sweet. Morning, buddy. Yeah. I always think about it sometimes when I'm teaching my toddler, I'm like, okay, CJ Shooker's bad for you. One gummy bear for your treat or whatever, and then I'm like, scoffing down a bowl of ice cream with chocolate sauce. And then he goes to bed. I'm like, I am such an hypocrite. Oh. But I'm too far gone. So we got to preserve a special body. He gets more than one gummy bear, but you know, just to be exaggerating. My parenting one, this is so, I was just so stupid of me. This was so judgmental and so stupid of me. And I've just a humble, I thought you were in a pick. Oh, and college. I was like, oh, kids, they're just going to eat what I eat. Right. I'm going to make them everything from scratch. It's going to be healthy. No preservatives. Nothing processed. Just the most precious, cleanest, crunchy food to my baby. And then the minute I had CJ, and he just did not want to eat any, there was like a seven month period where I made that kid frozen chicken nuggets with shaped Parmesan cheese on every single night. And some of my lunch Parmesan cheese. Yeah. Yeah. Like chicken nuggets with Parmesan cheese. And I was like, buddy, thank you for eating this. Thank you, sir, for your service. I'm glad you're able to fill it up tonight. That was just so dumb. That was so dumb. I'm in there. I'm the same way. I'm sure I said that too. Actually, I feel like I even remember saying that because I was like, nanny and kids. And I was like, oh, they're eating frozen food. Oh, I used to babysit a kid where they would get hot dogs. And I'm like, trust me. I want to get them hot dogs. I'm like, please eat the hot dog, buddy. It's a hot dog. I'm going to win. I know. I know. You won't eat them. But I'm like the hot dog. Oh, you won't eat them. I mean, they're occasionally. But I know. It says you have all these junkies. I'm there. I know. I know. And I'm like, I was humble. They'll bring you down to your knees. You're like, don't starve. What are you doing? Oh, anyway. Honestly, our high health is just doing God's work. Yeah. How many vitamins can you take a day, sir? So super foods. Packets. Yeah. In seconds. I'm like, please actually be rocked. I'm like, it's way protein. Bad for children. [LAUGHTER] They need something. It's got to eat. My last one's kind of dumb. Kind of dumb. It's not something that I said I would never do. And I do it. It's something that I said I was going to do. And I'm like, there's no way I'm ever doing that. I was so dead. When I was in this phase in college, I was like exploring the internet. I was learning about home setting and chickens and land. And I was like, I'm going to have chickens and live off the land. Can I tell you something? I never, ever, ever want land or chickens. And that is just, in what world would that ever be me? I couldn't say it. I couldn't say it. I was like, no more animals. I couldn't say you like that at all. I know. I was like, how amazing would it be to have chickens and farm fresh eggs? The minute I would hear that chicken's walk, I know immediately I would send it back. There's no way that I would ever enjoy chickens in this season of my life. Was it about your parents? Or was that made you want to do that? No, this was like way before all that. I don't even know what I was watching on the internet. This was like tasty videos. [LAUGHTER] I was just like, wow, I want to be so clean. Oh my gosh. It was probably stumped from an ED. No, I'm probably-- [LAUGHTER] A little bit. Yeah, I'm talking for like a-- I'm not so healthy with all life about food. And now I'm like, I never want lands. I don't want my children to run free on property. That's just not me. It's not my personality. And that was so hypocritical of me to ever say that I would do that. I didn't even know you thought that. So that just said something. That's real. It was like a really firm season of my life, right? I'm saying that. Like how long? Like at least two or three years. Like end of college to beginning of our marriage. I was like, what if we just live on land? And I'm like, well, why would I take your place? You do like to be home a lot. And you kind of like to be alone. That's true. [LAUGHTER] I feel bad. That's true. But at least I have people next to me. They're not in there. Yeah, I'm like, at least they're there. I don't-- you know, it's just not my personality. I love that people love that. And like, that is for people. But just for me, that I sing. So for me, that was going to do that. And like, that is just so far from who I actually am. I feel like everyone threw a homesteading phase. Yeah. The homesteading phase was strong. And now I'm like, I'll never make my own bread. [LAUGHTER] You could make bread. No, I just want you to make me bread. OK. That's all I feel. Yeah. I need to get-- No, I need to say I made two bad lows of sourdough. And then I just put it in the fridge for a while. It's in timeout. Do you want to know something I tried to make from scratch? It was so dumb. Peanut butter. I was like, I'm going to buy my own peanut. I'm growing it in the blender. It was so gross. And you have to run your mixer for literally 30, 40 minutes. 30, 40 minutes. They have really clean peanut butter on the market. And it's six bucks. You know how much a bag of peanuts is? $14. I'm like, why am I spending more? Because peanut butter is actually literally just peanuts in salt, too. Yeah, almost of them are. And that's all I buy. It's just a clean one. And I'm like, this is cheaper and less time consuming. And way less of a cleanup than making peanut butter from scratch. Yeah. Let me tell you. I did look up an article of things that weren't worth making from scratch. Peanut butter is one of them. No, I don't remember that being one of them. One of them was tortillas. I remember that because I was going to try to make tortillas. But I was like, I guess I already buy the raw ones. Right. And so, gosh. It's just so little time in the day. It's just so little time in your life. You made those cheetahs homemade. And I was like, I remember, I used to be so on kill, but be like, we'd go to the grocery store and he'd walk the aisles. I said, don't buy that. I can make it. And I would never make it. And cheetahs is one of the ones I used to say. I'm going to make these for my kids. They were easy to make. But you just don't make that many of them. I feel like you'd eat them in one sitting. They're actually way more filling than other cheetahs. Really? Yeah. If you ate all of them, I'd be very impressed, Abby. No one does that record. I'm just kidding. They didn't taste quite the same, though. Gotcha. Because they're baked. And I feel like cheetahs are definitely not. They're probably, I don't know. Are they fried? I feel like they're baked. I think it's baked. They're 100% baked. Oh. And a massive oven. They tasted nothing like the ones I made. Honestly, I like to mine better though, because it tastes like real cheese. Yeah. But that's different. Yeah. We're very thankful to you guys too, because you make us feel not so alone in our hypocrisy. Because you so generously, so many of you contributed ways in which you're finding yourself ever created as well. And we pulled you on our Instagram, which by the way, if you're not following us, it's always here podcast on Instagram. Please follow us and you can also participate in these fun pulls and engage in that way. Yeah. It's really fun and special. So we're going to go through some of these, because they're just so funny. This one is from Lauren. She says, I'd never let my kids eat snacks after refusing to eat dinner. My bad. Literally, that's us. Yeah, totally. Matt is every time he's like, wait, did mommy say you could have this? Oh, just let me. Please, please. Please, just wait. He's like, we're doing snack. He's like, I just brushed their teeth. Then I'm like, break it. Oh, sorry. See you the morning. That's all I just feel so bad about. I'm like, I would never want to go to bed hungry. I know. But then I'm like, you did eat your dinner and a whole cup of milk. Sometimes it's easy to like, it just comes a habit. I know. I never want to be like, hey, you can't eat, buddy, because I'm scared. He's going to grow up and be like, my mom would let me eat my food and get a bed hungry. Like, I feel like he would turn it into like a trauma. You know, I'm like, I don't want that. It was my punishment. I didn't want him to get mixed messages from this. Seriously. Okay, this next one, all about Brie said, scroll for hours. Like she says not to do that. Then she does it. Yeah. I do that as well. Honestly, when we went to Rhode Island, I got on my phone a lot more. And then it was like, I had to re-break that. That's what I should have put on my list. Poor Caleb. Like, anytime he gets home from work immediately, and he's looking at his phone on my Caleb, the children. And it's like, he hasn't been on his phone all day. And I'm at home all day, obviously looking at my phone, doing stuff on it all day from the kids. And Caleb. it's one for five seconds and I'm like get off your phone. - Yeah, your phone, buddy. - Your kids are talking to you and I'm like, I'm sure all day she does, I'm like, "Mom, mom, mom, I know." I'm like, "Oh, that's just so hypocritical of me." - This person said that they, I'm assuming that, wait, I don't know this name. Anne McClain Leonard said, "Homeschool my kids." - She would never homeschool her kids. - She said she would never homeschool her kids. - They should do in it. - A lot of people have made that switch. - Oh, man, you know it's so tempting. I say all the time, I'm like, I wasn't meant to be a teacher. But now I'm like, "Should I homeschool?" I don't know. Should I just pay someone homeschool my kids? - Or sell my toys? (laughing) - I don't know. - That's more so. I'm like, "That sounds tempting." - No, I think my kids will love school. Okay, Shayla. - Ham's mom, Shayla, okay. Shayla said, "I always said I would never have a toy room. Now our office is a toy room instead." It just happens. - It'll spill somewhere. - Yeah, they're all around my kitchen table right now. I'm like, "Well, she had a toy room." - She looked on your knee first day. The clubhouse, the clubhouse, maybe. - Eden says, "I swore I'd never pay for a tan "cause the sun's free. "Now I'm desperate for self-tan sometimes." - I remember when, like in college, when you used to get out of college and you start having jobs, I'm like, "Wait, I just can't lay outside "and get a tan all day. "I'm pale." You know, it's like that adult life happens. - It also just happens like the sun is kind of scary. - It's like for you. (laughing) - Allie, I swore I'd go back to work after having a baby. - Now here we are. - I feel like I know a lot of people that were like, "I will never get out my job." And then you get a kid and it's just like, "Care's about work." - You get a kid. - Oh, I got a kid. - You get one of them and you're like, "Who needs a job?" - I wanted to stay with my baby. - I know, that is real. - That is real. - It is so real. - Holly says, "Crox, swore against them "and now I wear them all the time, LOL." - LOL. - I can't support that, actually. - I know, I know. - I do like, I have some really good crocs flip-flops but I don't have the slide. - Crow crocs for kids, for me. - Yes, but you know what? I think they're making CJ's run a little weird. (laughing) - I think they're making a deal. - He's running like an Octopus. - I know, I think it's 'cause he tried to keep his shoes on. I'm like, first strictly a tennis shoe house for a while until I was straightened out. - It's so bad the other day. - Yeah, they're not good running shoes. - He didn't even cry, he just like froze. - I know, he's so tough. - I think he was like, did just really just happen to happen to know what acknowledged it. - I fell on both knees from the air. - Oh, I know. - And I'm the one who saw it. - And I was like, he was so tough. - And then he just started to go, yeah, froze. - I was like, I thought that was gonna be a cry, for sure. - Yeah, he's a tough kid. - Oh, this one's so real. - Brianna said, using a backpack leash on you. - Using a backpack leash on your child in busy places. - Gotta keep 'em. - There's no judgements. - Once you got 'em, you gotta keep 'em. - Yeah, right. Whatever I'd say. - Not at all cause. - You have a runner. I also have some friends kids that are like, literally runners. Like they just don't, it's just in their blood. They don't turn back. - Right. - And honestly, I don't think my kids are far from that. Um, I don't know how to pronounce. Jan? - Yeah. - Jan says buy from she and her team-o. - Oh, boo. - Boo. - Don't do it. - Don't do it. - But I get the, I get it. - I get it. - It's so cheap. - I get it. - Harper said, get married into a man 20 years older. (laughs) - Wow. (laughs) - Harper, that's a great one. - Actually, I did, I remember when I was a kid, this came to me considered hypocrisy 'cause I was a legit child. I told my dad I wasn't gonna have kids 'cause I, it was a day I learned about periods and childbirth and everything, and it was so much for me to handle. - I wouldn't do that. - I was like, I'm opting out. - No, totally. - I'm totally, I love that. I said, I'm not gonna get married in, not to a mid 20 years older, and then lick other cards fell. - Look. Juliana says, I judge people who think they're cool, but I'm a very cool person. (laughs) - I'm confused. (laughs) - She's cool, but she judges other people who think they're cool. - Yeah, she's like, yeah, let me think you're cool. - But she thinks she's cool. - She's like, I'm very cool. - I love that you're swaying on this side of confidence. - Yes, I love that. Kay said, date my now husband. - Oh, wow. - Wait, I don't get that. - Oh, she said she would never date him in another marriage. (laughs) I'm saying it. - You won. He pushed past the friends out. - He really fought through some barriers. - He persevered. - Maddie says, have children. I saw I would be child free now. I have two, and I want four more. - Wow. - I love when I get messages. People are like, you ready to have a kid? I'm ready, and I'm three months postpartum. I'm like, no, no. - I have a theory that I was telling Addy, the three to six month postpartum, there could be, there's something that happens in your hormones. That can happen. - Maybe because there's a possibility of it. - It's just like, yeah, I gotta break another. (laughs) - And it eases a little bit. - Yeah, I don't think I felt that. I just am more like, I don't wanna be pregnant for a long time. Okay, beautifully refined, I said I would never become a CrossFit geek. - It's a cool thing. - That's a real one. - I feel it even with, like, RJ. - I used to be like, no, I like working out on my own. I like making my workouts, I like wearing my headphones. - There I am. - Same, Addy used to be so like, why do I need to join group fitness? I work out on my own, just fine. And then I do a group fitness. I'm like, it's amazing. I love it. - Kayden said, I'm sore. I'd never wear my hair in this, like, back. Ha, ha, ha, that lasted five minutes. - Honestly, same. - The minute that became a trend, I was like, this was meant for me. (laughs) - Shang, what is it? - I don't know if Shangi. - Shangi. - Shangi. - Shangi? - Shangri, not it. - I have no idea how to say it. - Shangi? - Shangi. - Something Marie. - Marie. - Shangi. - You're saying you have Kongi. - Sorry, this is Shangi. - Shangi. - Like I'm saying it. - Said, give my kids sugar before the age of two. - Yeah. - I know, I was like, oh, no screens before the age of three. - Same with screens, I was gonna say, it was like, we need them older siblings. - What are you gonna do? - Sorry, honey. You got to lock yourself in the other room. - Don't let your brother watch this show. Like, when we put you two, come out later. - For three years, okay. - Kyra said, by my child, character clothing. But he loves it so much, and I do too now. It's such a sweet time. - Just let 'em, just let 'em. - It's supposed to be fun. - I heard that one before, and I was like, why did you even think that you wouldn't do that? All my kids wear his character clothing? - I know, it's cute. - Never talk, oh, Macy says, never talk to my in-laws again, and then start talking to them again. - Best decision. - Oh, that's a redemptive one. - I love that. - I'm glad they proved you wrong, that's sweet. C. Sully said, wipe my son's boogers off his face with my bare hands. - Yeah, this is what you gotta do. - All we gotta do is do what you gotta do. - Yeah, let me pick your boogers. Let me get 'em in there. - Morgie says, let my kids eat dirt. But here we are, and there's no stuff in them. (laughing) She's rolled over, she's like, you gotta do what? - You gotta do what? - That's where our vegetables grow. - That's true, Abby. That's some good encouragement. - Probably some good nutrients in them. - They're getting some good iron and stuff in them. - Soil. - Not iron, but Emma said, I get mad at my hubs for leaving crap all over the house, but it's okay, I leave, it's okay if I leave my stuff. So true, I'm like, killed your socks. You look around the house. It's a big stuff. (laughing) - I stop. - I stop everywhere, you're like, no. Yours is just, we're robbing me wrong. - Have you seen that trend on Lyre people? Like, my husband's toothbrush? How dare he leave his toothbrush out like this? And then he pans over to make up his everywhere on the sink. - No, the smell. - I'm weird 'cause I'm like, if my kitchen and my living room is clean and my dining room like my lower level, it doesn't matter what my upstairs looks like. My bathroom closet. - Right. - It's scary. - You need one chaotic place, I believe. I got more than one for sure. - Yeah, mine's right next to my 19th. - Great. - Yeah. - Right where you need it. - Yeah. - Molly says, wear thongs. (laughing) Now she's wearing thongs. - I felt that before the dark side. They're so comfortable. I was like, how could that ever be comfortable? - I have a hot thing. - I get less wedgies with thongs. - Same. I'm always picking my butt when I have to put my full underwear. - Why not the wear my full underwear? - Those are my plus part of my underwear. Pregnancy and plus part of my underwear is the non thong area. - But I have to put that full opinion on, I'm like, ugh. (laughing) - I think they are generations though, 'cause I feel like our moms would be like, what in the world? - When did you start wearing thongs? - Oh, high school. - Probably, maybe even junior high. - I think I started at six or seventh grade. - My parents knew that I wasn't talking to boys. - Yeah, yeah. - Why should I wear a volleyball shirt for me? - I remember the cool girls were wearing them, so I was like, "Bom, I need to go buy 'em." - When I started wearing leggings and. - And I wore volleyball, so it was like, I. - Are you guys underwear with your leggings, people? - Absolutely, I am. - That's so shocking to the thought of just putting those on. - Raw dog in it with that, yeah. - I know, I'm like, please. - I know they do, and you can tell. - You can't tell, ladies and gentlemen. - Unfortunately, we love the female body, but. - But, I prefer a smoother look. (laughing) - Dry your skin, literally a little drier. - So it's dry. - Literally, okay, Mrs. Brandy said, "Swar, I would never get a house cleaner once a month, yet here we are." - Mrs. Brandy, why would you ever say that you would never do that? That is a dream. - Come true. - It is dream. - It's amazing, that's the goal. - For us, great. - Thank you guys for sharing all the hypocrites. - We're all hypocrites, it's to be human is to be a hypocrite. - It really is. - I honestly think. - It is. - So, there we go. And Ted, he's important. - Yeah. (laughing) - Please call me out of America. - Ah, we're, it's already so important. - I'm a hip-hop. - I'm a hip-hop. - Ask, ask, ask, Abby! - All right, let's move on to voicemails. Once again, thank you guys for those of you that call in. - Yeah. - I'll give you a number. - Oh yeah, the number is 602-456-9690. And it's also in our Instagram bio if you missed it. So you guys can give us a call, leave a question or a message, we are so grateful. - Yeah, and honestly, load us up because I feel like it'd be really fun to do a whole episode of. - We should do that in the next couple weeks. - Yeah, I can really fun, so we'll do that once a quarter. - Load it up. - Hey y'all, this is Madeline. I was wondering if you could only eat one breakfast, one lunch, and one dinner every day for the rest of your life, what would it be? - Thanks, that's a great question. - Thank you for the question. - Who's it, Madison? - Madeline. - Madeline, thank you for the question. Okay, let's start with breakfast. - I ate the same breakfast, but it's me every day. - I was gonna say, I can tell you. - What is it, two horrible eggs? - Four. - Oh, okay, great, you're both wrong. - Both are wrong. - You don't know me. - Yeah, no, no. - Three eggs, sometimes horrible, sometimes scrambled eggs, I'm feeling crazy. And some car, but usually it's like a protein waffle or two, I'll have two, there's our muffin. And coffee every morning. - Beautiful. Okay, this is my dream breakfast every day that I would eat every day for my life. Yeah, a big ol' fat cinnamon roll. - Ooh. - Maybe two. - It's kind of a savory girl. - Really? I mean, yeah, I feel better when I start with a savory. - No, I like the taste of it better, actually. - Oh, no, I don't like the taste of savory. - I like sugar. - But yeah, I was starting with a big ol' fat cinnamon roll every day. - That's so good. - I could do that. - Lunch, I mean, I feel like I always eat leftovers, but I, a good lunch that I honestly don't get sick of is Chipotle tacos. - Yes, they're good, they're light, they're fresh. - Yeah, it's not overly full, they're fresh, and I feel like I just feel good when I eat them. - Yep. I can eat for lunch every day a pesto panini sandwich. - Ooh. - Yeah, I love a good pesto on a toasty bread, put a little cheese in there, a little feta, mozzarella, get some tomatoes. Ooh, maybe some rotisserie chicken on that. I'm actually, I have these ingredients at home. - I think that sounds so nice. - Yeah, that sounds so good. I can eat that every day. - Dinner? - Some chips. - Ooh. - Oh, it chips on so good right now. - Right. - For dinner, I'd say, I honestly, I feel like if I had to eat it every single day, you got to just say it's like steak. And besides, like that just feels, I gotta get full. I gotta get full. And I actually really like steak. - Steak is delicious, yeah, I'm gonna say soup. - Soup. - Oh, yeah, that's a safe one. You can make it so many different ways, but yeah, soup, I pretty much do this already, so super nice. - You're like, I'm actually living this up. - I'm actually living my reality, so. Are you making soup tonight? - Possibly, 'cause I don't have chicken thought and I've forgotten all ways to cook chicken apparently, so I probably will be putting it into a soup. - Yeah. - Chicken breast, what do you do other than the chicken? - Yeah, I'm like, what am I supposed to do with this chicken again? - Hi, Emmys. This is Iana. I have recently been reviewing my house, and I've been listening to the podcast while I've been painting. And I was just wondering what is something in your house that makes you feel extra cozy or extra homey, either something you've got or maybe if a color is painted a room or something you've added to the house. Yeah, what makes one of your spaces feel extra cozy, I'm in homey, that you really love. - I love that question. You go first. - Mine is actually kind of emotional, but that painting you got me. Abby and my mother-in-law got us a really meaningful custom painting, and I feel like my house at this point has just kind of feels like anyone's house. I guess there's like, I think it's beautiful, and I love my house, but I'm like, it just doesn't feel necessarily personal, and this painting is just so, it's in memory of our daughter, and it's so beautiful, and so personal, and we put it in a place where I literally, I'm always standing at the sink or like cooking in the kitchen, and I just like look at it all the time, and I'm like, ugh, it's so sweet. It makes me cry, like, yeah, it's just, it's a physical thing too that you can like look at and have like, it feels like honoring and like a great memory of her, and I feel like when you gave it to me, I had no reaction because I just like shut down, because I was like, oh, it's a lot of emotions, and our whole family is here, and I just feel like I never properly like told you how grateful I am for that, but like that's the first thing that came to my mind. Like it's so special, and so beautiful, it's sweet. I know. - I kind of did a great job. - Oh, yeah, I'll show you around. Our name's Autumn Matinee Design, and she does, she's a really good artist. Yeah, I'm glad you like it. It's always risky, like getting home evolving. - It was fun to get you said that to me, like I was, I'm glad you like it, 'cause it's risky with home decor, it's like it doesn't even necessarily feel like home decor to me, like it feels like, I don't even know how to like describe it. Like, I don't know, something deeper. - Yeah, I'm glad you like it. - Oh, the rest of my house, stuff feels like, everything else on my walls feels like home decor, and that just feels like set apart, like different. Yeah, good, I'm glad you like it. Yeah, that was a key of the idea. Yeah, and I was like, he was like, we should get him a painting, and then yeah, we all went out together. So I'm glad you, I'm glad you like it. We were really excited to give it to you guys, so I'm glad. I think our bedroom is like my favorite room in our house, it's really cozy, and I think it's because we did paint, like our bedroom itself is a smaller square footage, and so I was like, let's make this room feel like kind of dungeon-y and cozy, since it's already a little bit smaller. And so we blindwashed painted it a darker color, and we brought it up to the ceiling, and I just love it, it feels so cozy, and like the little sconces on the wall with the lighting, it's just dim and really relaxing, and I love it in there. - Hi, Abby, Abby, and Abby. My name is Callie, and I first wanted to say that I love listening to always hear and unplanned every week. I just find them so relatable, and they are some of my favorite podcasts. I have three kids under four, and I notice that ever since becoming a mom, my anxiety surrounding sickness has increased, and I was wondering if any of you wrestled with that, and if you do, how do you work through it, or what are some tips that you find helpful? Thank you. - Oh yeah, I've felt that a lot. Yeah, thanks for calling it and sharing that, 'cause I've definitely, especially like with CJ, okay, when CJ was little, I don't think I worried about being him getting sick at all. Like, it was just his weird thing, or I was like, "You're just gonna get sick." And then with Vivian, I feel like I've been more anxious about it, and I wonder if it's because, like, you just kind of see how it affects your home when your kids get sick more. It's like, oh, and one goes down, we all go down, and like, they're so miserable, and it's sad seeing them hurt and stuff. And so I think experiencing it with CJ, then I was like, I don't wanna, I don't wanna, like Vivian, I have to go through that too. And so I think my anxiety, I would agree, has gotten worse, maybe with the second child. So I've been trying to work through that too, and I've just started bringing her to childcare finally. So I don't, I actually don't have an answer for you, 'cause I feel like that's something I'm trying to, but maybe a little bit of exposure therapy. I know, like, once she gets sick, it's gonna be okay. You know, like, we know what to do, and how to handle it, and how to take care of them. And I think I just have to remind myself that. I'm like, if she does get sick, or if CJ does get sick, like, we know what to do. We know how to handle it. And if we don't, we have a great team of doctors that can also handle it. So it's like, obviously, I'm not gonna have her go lick the floor at the mall and be okay with that. But, you know, it's just inevitable when they're around other kids. And stuff, and it's like, it's better for my kids to be around other kids, and to play, and socialize, and learn that, than to, like, keep them in a bubble. And so I just have to remind myself that. - That's a good answer. - Should we move on, wrapping up with always eating? - Yeah, our newest segment, I guess. Where we share a recipe for the week. - Someone said we should change it to always hungry, and then it's A-H. - I did see that, and I kind of like that. - Okay, it's now always hungry. - Guys, we've listened to you. Do you see my wall? - Yeah. - Your wall looks so good, Eddie. - I liked always hungry too, 'cause I saw that comment. It's like, she's so brilliant. We should put her on our marketing too. - So smart, higher her. - Mine actually is an recipe link. It's a recipe that I have created in my own head. - Mine is two. - Oh my God! - I don't know, I feel like I probably saw some me similar to this, and then I just did my own thing. - What's all recipes, isn't it? - I guess it's similar techniques. - No, I actually usually follow recipes very literally. - Oh, I never do. - Okay, yeah. - So I was like, actually, I don't have a lot of links. What's yours? - Okay, mine, I make this side dish all the time. It's roasted parmesan potatoes. It's my favorite, it's my favorite to make. I love it. I'll get those cute, those little, sometimes the gold potatoes or the medley potatoes, and I'll have them, put them in a bowl all together, and I'll mix them with all of this is eyeballed. Okay, olive oil, paprika, salt, and pepper, rosemary. Very important, I just do the dried rosemary, and maybe sometimes an Italian seasoning. Those are my seasonings. And you just stir it all up, mix it up really good and coated. On a sheet pan, not oiled, I will put a bunch of parmesan cheese down on the pan, and I'll put the potatoes down, face down, and just line them up evenly on the pan. And I'll roast them in the oven at 450 for about 20ish minutes until they're forked tender. And then when you get, they come out, and you scrape them off the pan, and the parmesan gets all crusty. And the potatoes are really good and seasoned, and salty, and rosemary, and peppery edits. So good, and you just dip them in some sour cream, or just have them on their own, or a tzatziki. It, not a tzatziki, that would not be good. But any sauce, it can be bad. They could be bad, you're right. And it's a great side with chicken. Maybe I'll do it tonight, 'cause I have potatoes, and I have chicken. There you go. Yeah, it's so good. And you can't mess up the seasoning. You just gotta put, you know. But it's my favorite. That sounds good. Mine is like, I call them protein balls, but if I'm totally honest with you, don't add up the macros on this, 'cause I don't think they are high protein. I don't like protein powder in my protein balls. They're fine. I drink a protein. shake every day. So I'm like, this really is just like the perfect little bite. This is where, okay, you eat lunch and you're like, I could use a sweet tree, but I can't really, lunch doesn't necessarily qualify for dessert in my head. And so I like love a little ball. And it's literally just oats, honey, flaxseeds, peanut butter. And then you can use chocolate chips or like I've been recently crushing up Cadbury eggs to season. Um, you could just use any kind of like chocolatey tree. And I'll put the measurements in the description that I use. Yeah. Um, yeah, they're not high in protein, but they are very satisfying. Here's the thing. If I'm going to have like a snack or like a sweet treat, like I really want it to like satisfy, this actually is filling. Yeah. And it is very satisfying. It's really going to be a little sweet tree. And our whole family likes them. My kids will eat them. And yeah, I really like them. And I feel like they're good staple. Just put, make the balls and throw them in your fridge and just nibble at them throughout the week. You're really going to cooking season only seasonally. Really? Yeah. Like baking seasonally. Oh, I just think it's fun. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I do like the bake. That's the thing. I wish I liked to cook as much I like to bake. I do really like to cook too. But baking feels more fun, but it's not as practical. Yeah. But we need practicality in there. Right. I need that. We don't need that. Well, you guys, thank you so much for following along. We do have a review here from Brooke. 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