Hey Isabella, did you see that a soccer player kept the ball in the air for 28 hours and 21 minutes? Like I don't know, I don't, Chris sent it. What, like, oh, I'm imagining him just blowing up the ball. (laughing) He's blowing it and he's like, that would be so much more impressive. Is he the big bad wolf? How would he possibly have the wind down? I don't know, he gave me little detail in my imagination to fill the rest. It was a little like kick things, the little dribbling, they're the, they're juggling, juggling. Oh, I, for some reason when you said it, my brain just didn't process the fact that it's like continuously touching something. Like I just thought it's just like floating. Fair, that's fair, that's fair, and that's on phrasing. Yeah, you know, it's 28 hours and 21 minutes. That's like a full, that's a full day and then some. Yeah, that's crazy. Have you ever thought about that? Also though, there's a small asterisk to this. He was allowed to take a 15 minute break every three hours. Bull shit. That's crazy because when I went after my Guinness world record, which has since been at least tied, I don't know if it's been, I think it's been beaten by those jerks, dude, perfect. Guinness themselves were such sticklers for the rules. They were like, you can't use, I stacked donuts blindfolded in a minute and they were like, you can't use this type of donut. It has to be this type of donut. They can't be frosted or glazed. This guy got to take up his break. No, you couldn't, too much, the ridges would make the task too easy. It can be ridged for my pleasure and that's not allowed. [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] Hello! And welcome to Casuals. The Sports Podcast doesn't care how much you know. We're just happy that you're here. I'm Katie Nolan, your host, joined today at the top of the show here by my casualties, our production team. We have Isabella, who is a sports newbie. Hello. Chris, our master editor. Hi. And bu- bu- bu- bu- bu- bu- bu- bu- braiding. You're horn, air horn. F- F- F- F- F- F- F- F- F- F- F. Welcome to the show. If you want to reach us, casuals with KDN O'
[email protected], our voice mail 6468010043, on IG and TikTok we are at casuals of the podcast. Joining us a little bit later in the show, you guys. (laughing) I'm gonna throw up even saying it. Literally, I met them. (laughing) And the first thing I said in one of their faces was, I'm gonna throw up. (laughing) Joining us. And then Ben responded with, I get that a lot. I get that a lot. (laughing) Which I quite enjoy. And that Ben is referring to Ben Affleck. Later in the show we have Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, and Joe Carnahan, the director of their new movie, The Rip, which is on Netflix, January 16th. They came by and we got to talk to them for a little bit shorter than we thought we were going to, which, oh, we'll get into it. But that's coming up in a little bit. It's so exciting. I cannot believe. Brady thumbs up in a round of applause on however that came together at the last minute. Now that came together over a wild card weekend of NFL football. So we all had to, in between games, I was watching like 15 minutes at a time of their new movie, which is very good. It's on Netflix coming up soon. Are we that far in January already? What's the date today? - It's coming up tomorrow. - No way. - It's just this thing released. - It is. Damn, we're already like, we're barreling through January. We're getting really close to my birthday. And I haven't come up with anything to do for it yet. (groans) Alas, maybe I'll just do nothing. So we're gonna talk about a little bit of sports news here. The stuff that's come across the wires in the time since we saw you last. And then we'll get to that interview because I mean, really, that's gotta be why you're here. But we usually start out these shows with going through some housekeeping, reading our emails or checking our voicemail and seeing what you guys have to say. Chris, can we go ahead and start today with Marcy, an email from Marcy? We can. Marcy writes in and says, "I work in TV News in Boston," shout out. "And we just had an interview with the guy in the Patriots Pro Shop." And he said, "Go Pates." - Oh my God. - "I can only assume he is a fellow casual so it is now making it to the general public. I love you, mean it. Isabel, you've started a revolution." - Oh my God, this is so much pressure. - This is incredible. It's funny because yesterday I actually bumped into on subreddit, I don't remember which one. It might be NFL noobs. I follow a bunch of them because I want to see a casual fans perspective on stuff. I, somebody said, "Why is it pronounced Pats and not Pates?" And I was like, it's catching on. - It's catching on. - It's catching on, I guess. It's catching on because Isabel, Boston icons, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon said it. Can we do a little preview clip here? - Go Pates, go Pates. I like it. - Incredible. You are now Isabel, a part of Boston lore, whether you like it or not. - What do you like to see if Isabel tell me? - I know. Oh my God, I'm so proud. - Absolutely incredible. People, the funniest part though is that when you say to somebody who's not in the know, they're like, "You're fucking idiot." - You don't know any thing. (laughing) But it's always fun to go, "No, it's you who doesn't know anything." - No, you just don't get it. - If you were a bigger fan, you'd get it. You'd get it. It's all about that Pates lifestyle. And let's go Pates. Oh, we'll talk about it in a second. That came, I'm nervous. I'm nervous. I'm nervous. All of it. Let's do another email. Let's do Kiran. - Kiran writes it and says, "Lafht so hard at Katie's lost impression of Chris saying, "Cant me a hot that I did a literal spit take, "covered my suit and car and coffee on the way to work." So, thanks. - I was hoping he was gonna say it was on the way back from work, because then it's like, whatever it cares. - How do you explain that when you get to the office, covered in coffee? - Just to a great Australian impression and it made me laugh, I guess, that's what you go to tell the boss. - horrendous Australian impression. You can't measure hot. - I don't know. - Pray to remember when we did a live podcast and I spilled right before we went on stage, I spilled coffee all over myself. Do you remember that? - That was a moral laugh. - Holy cow. - Right before going all over. - Are you serious? I opened it and then boom, it's all over me. Jared Carabas was like, are you serious? You have to go out on the-- - Well, it was cursed, 'cause we couldn't find an open dunk in. - In Boston! - In Boston! - Absurd. - Absolutely absurd. Okay, let's do one more. Let's do an email from Timothy. - All right, Timothy says, "Did you go see that hockey fight "between the little eight-year-olds? "It happened at an intermission of an AHL game "and now they are saying it was staged by the coaches "or something. "I don't think any of the kids got hurt "and it just looked like eight-year-old boys having fun." This went white-hot viral. The moment that it hit the internet wires, it was like on all of my timelines at the top being pushed to me. So in the intermissions of in-between periods in games, sometimes they'll have little kids come out and play a little hockey game. And they do this in NHL games. At least I know the Bruins do. I don't know if it's like everybody does it across the league, but this was in the AHL in an intermission. And these little eight-year-olds came out to play and they got into a big brawl. And everybody loved it. And they all thought it was funny. Does anybody, do you guys have any opinions on this? Did you see this, Brady? - It was immediate. Like they all threw down at the same time. - Yeah. - I mean, I don't know who could buy into a group of eight-year-olds being organized about being this violent. They went full royal rumble all together. - How organized can you really be, how organized can you really be when your fingers are all covered and catch up? You know what I mean? Like you guys are not, you don't have a clean operation over there. I will say if it is that the coach has staged it, that sucks. - Yeah. - I don't like that. I know. I don't want to be lady who ruins the fun. You're one friend who's too woke, but I don't think, I don't love it if it was staged and being forced upon these kids so that-- - You want that violence to be pure. - Yes, I want pure violence to be real. - I want them to hate each other because of their differing opinions on Bluey. Okay, I do not want it to be because coach says I have to go out and punch this guy in the face. I don't like it. - I think it's most likely that these kids watch hockey on TV and they see hockey fights. And they're like coach can we have a hockey fight? Can we do hockey fight? - Which is really funny because I think the argument people make and they're wrong, but the argument people make about hockey and fighting is they're like, what do the kids think and we're seeing? That they love it. The kids love it and they want to get in on it. So yeah, look, hockey and fighting are synonymous. - Have there ever been a hockey fight where like multiple players are fighting each other? - Yeah. - Oh yeah. - That sounds like fun. - The rest do a pretty good job of like, each once it reaches a certain threshold, they get in the way. Like if somebody goes to the ground, it's over. They've gotta, you know, get in the middle of the fight. - Some of them actually mean like mean girl style, like everyone's hair. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Everyone's fighting out. - 'Cause you know them all. Yeah, yeah. - Hockey was in the news for three reasons this week. It was this, it was heated rivalry and it was the woman from Minnesota doing the crossover dribble between the other woman's legs. - In saying, did you guys watch that clip? - Did you guys watch that clip? - The actual game action. I feel like that's a problem for the NHL. - Yeah, but the ones that are, are women so shout out. And I would say heated rivalry is actual game action. Lotta action. Certainly. Lotta action. Lotta of what could be perceived as fighting until you look a little closer, you know what I mean? (laughing) - Like when the kids shout from across the street, the dogs are fighting. - Yes. - Kind of. Yeah, kind of like that. Yeah, look, I don't want it to be fake, so I'm just gonna say I hope that it's real. Because listen, this was kind of my app for today. I saw so many stories between the last time I talked to you and now that sent me into a tailspin. Would it be okay if I just read what those stories are that have absolutely made me lose my grip on reality? Because I'm absolutely losing my mind. Number one, Eric Adams.
Next act is exactly what you thought it might be, Eric Adams, the former mayor of New York City, where I live. The crypto-loving former New York City mayor is launching a digital token that he says will fund efforts to combat anti-semitism question mark. What is that headline? Eric Adams is launching a crypto coin. I don't understand it at all. Next headline, I saw a picture of what the jumbo-tron for the Olympic hockey venue currently looks like. It is absurd. Why is it so small? Hey, there's so much. I don't know if you guys have been following this. The place where they're playing hockey for the Olympics is not ready and may not be ready in time. It's not fair. I can zoom in on the photo. I can't zoom in on real life. The deadline is fast approaching as we've just covered. We are going faster through January than we anticipated. They are running out of time. The ceiling doesn't look finished. The dressing rooms, like the locker rooms are like. The scoreboard above the ice just looks like 4.65 inch TVs at right angles. They've seen this in Best Buy. It's been a lowering an iPhone. That's insane. It is, this thing is not ready to have Olympic hockey in it. Oh my God. We are going to find out how quickly they're able to get it. There are wires coming up. Observed. There's not even any drywall up yet. It's just whatever the metal stud things are called. Fuck it. Open concept. It's the frame. It's the frame room that you go into to get naked is crazy. I'm going to need a wall because. Oh my God. This just drew up a memory for me from my childhood of when you used to go into some department stores and there would be no individual stalls for dressing rooms. So it would just be you and your mom. Yes, it would be like you, your mom, in a bunch of other 50-year-old women trying on clothes. And you just had to like get dressed right there. And I was like, this is crazy. Open concept fitting room. Can a girl get a door please? Observed. I know. Absolutely absurd. Hey, we had to deal with truff, so right? You're so right. You're so right. Here's another one I saw. You're right. I wasn't really splash back in the Lomans dress, so you're right. I don't think. In mind, there was filing space. There absolutely was. Jesus. Okay, this is another one and it's not really a headline, but you guys know who Doom, Doom Wah is, it's a an online gossip account that basically will post like spotted this celebrity at this restaurant or like spotted. These two celebrities are dating. It's like our gossip girl. Yes, this is a, it's like official, but it's not. It's anonymous and a lot of the times they're like don't take this as news, which is kind of a cop out because it's like you're reporting it to your giant audience. I don't want to get into the, I just want to read this because this crosses a fucking line for me. This is the post I saw on my Instagram from Doom Wah. It's a picture of Nina Dobrev from Vampire Diaries also recently where they married or just engaged. I broke up. I think they were just engaged. I think they were just engaged too. With Sean White, the, the, the snowboarder Olympic legend. It's a picture of her and then a guy in full like kiss makeup, like a white face with black, whatever, and dressed in like studded, whatever's. And the caption says, Nina Dobrev spotted with a new mystery man in LA with the eye emojis. Sources say their lips looked glossy, revived and very much alive with @elfcosmetics. X. So like times @liquid deaths latest collab #elfpartner and then they tagged Getty Images. Excuse me. This is an ad. This is an ad for water and you're reporting it like she was spotted on a date when clearly she wasn't. They're both drinking when you look closer or she at least is liquid death, which is a water, which is crazy. What is this and who is this for? The comments were like love them as a couple. I had to go so far before I saw one person go this level of brand integration is too much for me. No, thank you. I reject this with my soul. What do you mean #elfpartner? What is this? The people who are buying a $4 can of water are not thinking this through. It's not getting paid for this. Does Junewagget paid? Does Nina get paid? Does whoever that is, I'm sorry if that's somebody and I should know who it is, but it looks like somebody in a Halloween costume to me. Are they getting paid? Who did this go through? Whose agency took this pitch? What is this? What is this and why is this? Get it away from me. I never want to see it again. The first headline that sent me into a tailspin was this one from boardroom. They said, "Finatics is launching a studio. Fanatics, the company that can't make hats properly, the company that can't make merch worth buying that's enough high quality for me to want to keep it or it to last more than two seasons. Fanatics is launching a content house." They've launched Fanatics Studios, a joint venture built to be a leaning global plumber loons on sports entertainment. Led by OBB, what's that stand for? OBB. Anyone know? 'Cause they just keep. Oh, beautiful bastard. That's probably not it, but a good guess, as good of guess as any. Fanatics Studios debuts with a high profile slate spanning the LA Olympics, including the official Olympic film. The Fanatics flag football classic featuring Tom Brady, a Brady dock you follow. The 2026 espis, which I'm sorry. What do you mean by the 2026s? Those have to be on ESPN. That's the whole point of the thing. Is ESPNs? I don't. Okay. So Fanatics and Michael Rubin are launching a studio to make content. Great. What if you made a hat I liked? You know? What else? Let me make sure I'm scrolling back enough in my phone to get all of the things that have sent me into a full tailspin. Okay. Second to last one. Jaden Daniels set to play flag football in Saudi Arabia. No! No! No! What do you mean by that? How is that? The Washington commanders as evidenced by Brady's reaction. He's not very happy. What was Jaden Daniels injury issue this year? Where was it located? Elbow. Elbow. What are you doing? Get a hands dreamer than he also had the elbow that bent the wrong way. What are you doing going to play extra football? Stay home. To remind you, other players from the NFL set to make an appearance include Sequan Barkley, CD Lamb, Christian McCaffrey, Sauce Garden, Ramiles Garrett, Brock Bowers, Max Crosby, Tyree Kale, Odell Beckham, Jr., and Rob Grunkowski. It makes you feel better. Three of those guys had season ending injuries and probably won't be able to go. Doesn't make me feel better. Okay. Feel like they'll probably still go. He was written into their contract that if anything happens, they'll still get paid. Three NFL coaches, I guess this is old. So two and a half, two NFL coaches and a guy who once coached in the NFL will also be there. Pete Carroll, Sean Payton, Kyle Shanahan. So Pete's got time. We've got all of these gigantic NFL names heading over to Saudi Arabia to play flag football. Mr. Beast will be there. I'm sure. I'm sure. And let that send me into a tailspin as well. And then lastly, and this will pivot us well into, well, I guess we're not going right into the Damon Affleck stuff, but last night, Matt Damon and Ben Affleck were on the tonight show. I've ever heard of it. Jimmy Fallon, the host famously, Jimmy Fallon, who you may know from such films as Fever Pitch, in which he played a diehard Red Sox fan who wins over Drew Barrymore and also the Red Sox win the World Series. That movie was filmed the year the Red Sox defied all odds and went on and won the World Series. And finally, Isabella, in case you don't know, they beat the Yankees on their way there in the ALCS, which is the step right before the World Series. They came back. They were down three games to nothing. It's a seven game series. So all the Yankees had to do was win one more game and the Red Sox won the next four games and went to the World Series. And then they won the World Series. I believe it was a sweep of the Cardinals. It was very lackluster. The big deal was the ALCS. Anyway, they won the World Series the year that Jimmy Fallon did this Red Sox movie. And so Fallon also on SNL was in the Boston Teens sketch, which was him and Rachel Dratch and a number of other, I think, Horatio Sands and a number of other guest stars and stuff would come by. The concept was that these were two like Boston Teens. They had thick Boston accents. They were Red Sox fans. They said, "No, ma." And so Jimmy Fallon has always had this association with Boston. Now if you've been watching baseball recently, Jimmy Fallon is always behind home plate for the Yankees in a Yankees hat. He has said before, "Those are Lauren Michaels seats." He sits with Lauren. Make sense, that's your friend. Jimmy Fallon grew up in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. So him being a Yankees fan would make a lot of sense, a lot more sense than him being a Sox fan. And so as a Sox fan, who's watched the Sox play the Yankees and has had to see Jimmy Fallon celebrating in Yankees stuff when the Yankees win, I've, in my mind, divorced Jimmy Fallon from any association with Boston. I've gone, "Don't be like those people who watched 13 reasons why," and then harassed those poor actors and actresses online because they can't separate a scripted show from a real thing. Don't be like those people. And separate in your mind that Jimmy Fallon played a Red Sox fan. From the fact that Jimmy Fallon is a Yankees fan. Now looking into it, you can find that throughout his childhood, Jimmy was like, "I don't even know if I sometimes I root for the meds, sometimes I root for the Yankees. I'm not a diehard enough fan to know when is the right time to do which. Give me right in my eyes. There is no right time to switch from one to the other. You just have one team and you root for that team. I don't think anyone is following some unwritten rule about when you're
You're supposed to switch from rooting for the Yankees to rooting for the Metz? What are you even talking about? But anyway, your lack of understanding of how fandom works makes a lot of sense to me. Because how could you possibly make a movie that meant so much to a Boston, to the. I would never in my life make a movie that made Yankees fans feel good. I would never in my life be on the field even pretending to play a Yankees fan. And Aflac famously would not wear refuse to wear a Yankees hat. Was that gone girl? That was gone girl. That he was supposed to wear a Yankees hat he refused because he's like, "Look, that's not me. I'm not about that." And that resonates with me. What doesn't resonate with me is that last night, Matt Damon and Ben Aflac went on the tonight show and they did a bit with Jimmy Fallon where they list. They said the names of every single town in Massachusetts. Shout out framing him. It's also kind of funny because when they first got arrived, they asked where in Massachusetts I was from and I said framing him and they both went framing him. And for some reason that was my lasting memory from our interaction. I told everybody I grew up with that Matt Damon and Ben Aflac said the name of our town to me and it was the coolest thing ever because they recognized that they knew what it was and they'd heard of it before. And everyone I said that too was like, "Wow, that's amazing. I can't wait to see." Like, it's amazing. That bit might have been the biggest moment in the history of Western Massachusetts. My wife's from Chikapi. It's just been all of social media. They're all sharing each other. And it's great. It's fantastic. My issue is this. In this bit, Jimmy Fallon is wearing a socks hat and a sock sweatshirt. Buddy. What is the size of? Which is it? You can't be indecisive about these two things. You have to pick a side. It is the framework on which sports fandom is built. People read sports hatred knowing that you hate another. It's why Bears Packers was so exciting and great because those teams hate each other. It's like they doesn't make any sense to me that he just keeps being the Boston guy. What is not a Boston guy? Why? It drove me nuts. It drove me nuts. It also drove me nuts because I wanted to ask them specifically about that and then I forgot we didn't get to it and then they did this bit with them and I'm like, "Aha! I'm upset. I'm upset." Is that fair? Is that fair that I'm upset? Of course. Thank you. No. Go ahead, Brady. I want to hear this. I need to hear this. No, I don't have a good defense. People that I mean you. Because my basis is not, like as an Orioles fan, I don't have a Yankees. I have the Yankees but it's not the same. Get good then. So in my mind, I can't. It doesn't comp quite the same. Okay. But even as a person who knows about the socks and the Yankees, have you ever seen another person, a front facing, forward facing famous person, flip-flop between two enemy franchises before? But Bryce Harper did when he was with the Nationals, he wore the Commander's gear, he grew up a Cowboys fan and now that man's decked head to Tony and his gear. Interesting, interesting, interesting. Mike Trout never rooted for the Rams. Mike Trout's been an Eagles fan since the day he was born and still reps the Eagles even though he's played in LA for his whole career. Yeah, huh. I just, it upsets me. It upsets the natural order of things to see two of the most famous Boston Red Sox fans with a guy I've looked at the last few years behind the plate of the Yankees at Yankees games rooting for the Yankees in their gear. I just feel like I'm like, get away from him. You two come this way. You two come over here. We don't trust him. That's not he's not that's a wolf wearing sheep's clothing. That's not, that's he's not one of us. And so I just, I'm in a mood. I'm in a mood. Every headline I see and then I saw that video and I was like, I can't with this. I really can't. My two dear friends Ben Affleck and Matt Damon who I've become so close with over the last couple days. It just hurt me to see them manipulated in that way. And so sorry, that's how I feel. I'm like, if you're listening to this and you disagree and you have a good argument for why I should just get over it. Go ahead and write in or call in or whatever. But that just I'm like, what are we doing? The talent miss out on conahen. I'm going to say I don't think you could get him. So, yeah, it wasn't able to pull a Brady. Brady is a bit a guest booker than Phalan's people. I give me Brady almost got to you on a tailor, which actually I really would have loved if she could have come in. I love her. Yeah, busy winning gold and glow. Right, but you got to tell her I've loved her since my super sweet 16. I got to blow dance mind last night when I was like, I think this must be the first time somebody on my super sweet 16 won a golden globe. And he was like, what? I said, yeah, she got on my super sweet 16, which then the immediate next thought is whose nepot baby is she and it wasn't I think she had just signed with for Elle as like a music artist and use that money to throw the party or something. I don't something on those lines, but she's not a nepot. She's just so talented and amazing, not didn't win the award for the rip though she could a solid performance, which we're all going to watch when it comes out on Netflix. But okay, let's get to some sports news and then we're going to finally get to the thing that we actually all want to get to, which is Matt Damon, Ben Affleck and Joe Carnahan. An Etsy which helped you con beat seat in hall in New Jersey. This is something we've been following here in casual throughout the year. Etsy which is our hot right now. You can spend a little bit of money and get a self proclaimed which to on Etsy put a spell on somebody or something or help your team in some way. The Huskies finally snapped their four game losing streak at the potential center on Tuesday, Tuesday night with a 69 to 64 win. Nice thanks to an Etsy which at its mediocre Dan, which is an account on X that supports Yukon shared that their friend had hired a witch on Etsy to remove the Huskies curse at the potential center ahead of Tuesday's game. Dan Hurley I assume is Yukon's coach not Denah Heule. When Yukon had coach Dan Hurley was asked about this after the win he responded by saying, what the fuck? What was that? Well, I would say Yukon fans are a different animal per college basketball writer Jaden daily. He also went on and said, it's not surprising. But what am I going to say about it? I spray holy water all over the court. I sage my court. I throw garlic under the bleachers. I mean, I'm a cartoon character so I don't know how I could pass some past judgment on some other bizarre shit. He really went left on that. Isabel is our Etsy which are we in agreement on that? Of course. Like we I text Isabella when I need something sports wise and she texts me back a picture of the post it note and so far so good. Sort of sort well we didn't see any evidence of a stealers post it note. I will say there was no photographic evidence that she did it existed. It existed. Yeah. No, no. But you didn't share it. So that was the issue. What happens to an Etsy which you pay who does not get you what you paid for? Is there some sort of a star is we're not aligned that night. She's got a look. I can pull up the email. I send. That's right here. Real quick though. Can you call a full game losing streak a curse. Yeah, I don't think so. Four games. I really don't know what was in 2021. This wasn't a 100 year thing. They were dealing with right. Yeah, you can ask these. And it's like who cares, you know. Yeah, exactly. They get a done one of matters. They will win a national championships. Yeah, this is like a paid promo for Etsy which is what we're doing right now. That's probably a stupid question. Yeah. Basketball. Okay, that's not stupid. That's not stupid. College basketball. I was looking at the numbers and I was like no chance. That's football. That would be tough. That would be really, really tough. You're right. No, this is college basketball. You're right. We should have said that. Chris. You're fired. You got to put that in the headline. Okay. Okay. Chris. Thank you. All right. The big story. I guess that we should discuss. Since we last saw you, Mike Tomlin, the longest tenured coach in the NFL. I also believe maybe one of the longest tenured in all four professional leagues with the Steelers. He ended his 19 year run and is resigning. He has stepped down and stepped back from the head coach position is just a little bit more. You're just looking down for a minute but when you look down on zoom, you look asleep. And so I thought maybe you were just taking a nap, which is not actually wouldn't even I would just talk quieter so that you could enjoy a peaceful rest because it's Wednesday and it feels like it should be Saturday. So I'm with you. If any of you need to sneak in a nap, I won't be mad. He resigned as head coach. Now I'm not calling conspiracy theory. But I will say was interesting a couple of weeks ago when Ben Rolfelsberger came out and was like he should be fired. And then the narrative shifted to if Mike wanted to move on. We should accept that that's something that he's allowed to do. He should be allowed to go do whatever he wants. And I was like, okay, he always is. What is this narrative? And now it's just interesting that he has moved on on his own accord, not fired, resigned. They still the Steelers have his rights because he was under contract. So if he were to coach somewhere between now in the end of the 2027 season. The Steelers would be able to get compensation for that or negotiate some I don't get into the weeds on this stuff basically. He basically trading him to another team. Yes. Isn't that what happened with Peyton, Sean Peyton? Yeah, when Sean Peyton went to the Broncos.
since he had retired from the Saints, the Broncos had to give a bunch of draft picks. - Right, so there would be compensation, although it's being reported he does not intend to coach in 2026. Anything can happen and a lot of teams are still taking meetings with him, but it seems like he's not expected to coach in 2026. He's 53 years old, again 19 years. Never had a losing season with the team. He won a Super Bowl with them, went to two Super Bowls, one, one of them, lost one to the Packers who were at the time led by his now, I guess, former quarter back, Aaron Rogers, just an interesting little wrinkle. Never had a losing season is absolutely absurd, and it seems crazy to me to picture the Steelers without Tomlin. They're now searching for their, what, fourth head coach? I mean, they're not a team that does a lot of coach turnover, and so this is a wild moment. I pitched on fan service and I know it's crazy, please. But I pitched a coach swap. I really think the Ravens should hire Mike Tomlin and the Steelers should hire John Harbaugh. I think that's what we deserve for the content. Why not? It would be fun. Why wouldn't we? And then film a reality show called Coach Swap, where we get to watch what happens when you take the coach from one rival and swap them with the coach of another rival. And they stop being nice. And start getting real. And you know what, this coach-- That's why either one of them would want to coach. Like they've both been coaching for like 19 years. Just like take a gap, you're dude. Like just chill. Go do TV. The problem with a gap year, as it was always explained to me in my youth when I was like, why not take a year off between high school and college? And I think she was right. My mom said, you won't go back. You'll take time off, and then you'll like the time off. Or you'll have to work, and your time will get filled with work. And you won't-- once it stops becoming the compulsion, it's like harder to get back into for some people. I will also say, when you've done something for that long, that high of an intensity, coaching an NFL team, it's like an adjustment to that being gone from your life. And some people reacted at adjustment by going like, I don't like this. I want to go back to the high stress environment. That's where I actually feel most comfortable. So I guess it's entirely possible that they would feel a calling to come back. But-- I don't know. Bill Kauer took that gap year. And he was like, hell with this. I can work three days a week and make millions of dollars from CBS. I'm not going back to coaching. The money really is there in TV for a former player or a former coach. So I think there's quite a possibility that that could be what he does next. I don't know. He was a great player coach. I like Mike Tomlin. I really like Mike Tomlin. I'm going to miss him. I think he was good for the-- I get it. I have come over the last few weeks. I've come to understand where Steelers fans are at with it. That like, yeah, you've never had a losing season. But our record doesn't matter unless it gets us into the playoffs. And the playoffs don't matter unless we win them. And his record and the playoffs was not the level that they wanted it to be. They were sick of getting there and then not getting over that hump. And so there was, for whatever reason, a change in the organization. That's where we're at. And now we get to see what happens in that market. Because there's a lot of empty head coaching positions. And there's a lot of coaches and coordinators looking for gigs. So-- I have a question. Yeah. How do you-- I know in this case, he resigned. But how do you know when it's like a matter of a coaching problem, like the coaches the problem, as opposed to say like the players or like the offensive coordinator? Like what determines that? It's a good question. Not always logic. Logic isn't always the thing. I would say in my experience, when there's a change that needs to be made and fans start to latch onto the idea of a coach being fired, once it's kind of out there, once your fans are chanting, as they were, Steelers fans were chanting, Fire, Tomlin, in their playoff game. I think you just kind of get to a point where it's like something's got to give. And again, he wasn't fired. He resigned. But I believe, like you said, the question is about-- because you've been watching this happen over the last few weeks. So that's where this question's coming from. It's like, how do you know it's the coach, not like go get better players? And you don't always know. It's just easier to do one than the other sometimes. Yeah. OK. And sometimes it'll be the coach losing the locker room as well, which is what happened with John Hobboh, why he was out in Baltimore, because he reportedly just lost the locker room, which meant that all the players just sort of didn't want to play for him anymore. Didn't have a good relationship with it. But if he asked his agent, that's not true. OK. Sure. That's not true. He has a great relationship with his team. When I was much younger, my buddy Joe lived in a crappy apartment. And one night, Melissa threw up in his sink and clogged it. And he realized it was going to be much easier to just move into a different apartment than to unclog that sink. So a lot of times, it's like, what's easier to move? Find a new quarterback or find a new coach. You just find the easiest piece that you can move on from. God, sure. And that's the change you make. While we're talking Steelers, we have to say-- and I'm sorry to you Isabella for this-- that the Isabella Parlay ultimately did not hit. While Isabella was able to correctly pick five of the six games on Wild Card Weekend, which do not hang your head, not to Liam Cohen, you. But like, keep your head out high. You did a great job picking five of those six. Nobody picked all six. And you picked five. I also saw somebody mention that it would be really ironic if the podcast that's loud about no gambling ran the table on a six-letter parlay from a gambling standpoint. And put all the five bucks on it. Yeah, we are the rely-- we're the only reliable podcast for your gambling picks. But do not ever come to us for your gambling picks. It's a nice conundrum that we've run into. But-- So it's just like the mix, just like the mits. That's strong early, fall away late. This is Isabella's experience with sports over the last 12 months is being starting strong and then falling away late. I know. The hole. I'm really sorry, Isabella. And I actually asked them to fire Mike Tomlin because he lost that game, which cost you your part. So they were like, no, we couldn't do that. And then he resigned. So we all kind of lucked out. But I said, that man can't get away with this. He made art Isabella upset. I don't want to cause a man being fired. Yeah, well, you did. So good luck sleeping tonight. So 30 to 6, the Steelers lost to the Texans on Monday night, which you guys knew when Tuesday's episode came out. But we did not know when we recorded it, obviously, which means the Pates are going to play the Texans next week, which is scary. The game ended up being a blowout 30 to 6. But if you were watching it, it was 7 to 6 until the fourth quarter. So they were very much in the game until, of course, they weren't Aaron Rogers might be retiring. We don't really know. He also might be married. Do we? Brady, I just want to apologize again for attributing your take to somebody else. It was an honest mistake. I didn't mean to do it. And I'll probably do it again in the future. Because anything I've ever known, I've forgotten. And it's just something we all kind of have to get used to. I apologize. I'm pretty good to people. I like it's OK. It's why we end to a woman. And so what isn't that about time that a man's take was stolen and given to a woman, isn't it? Isn't that justice? Sure. Yeah, say it on the record. But I do still think it's maybe a good idea to have you pick the upcoming games for this weekend. Chris, why don't you go through the slate for our upcoming weekend of NFL action in Isabella. You will pick a team. So the first game will be on Saturday, January 17th at 4.30 pm. It will be the Buffalo Bills at the Denver Broncos. Oh, rematch of the 1992 AFC show. Oh, knows that. She knows that. We're all thinking it. The Broncos are coming off a week off. They got to buy a week. They didn't have to play last week. So they're well rested. I know. But I think I'm just-- I'm rooting for the bills in this one. Why is that? I don't know. It seems like they always get there. But they're not fully there. And I want them to get there. OK, that's really sweet. You know? Great. OK, so she picks the bills. Next. Next game will be Saturday night at 8 p.m. 49 is against the Seahawks. Oh my god, a heated rivalry. Like truly a heated rivalry. All of these takes, there's the part of my brain. That's like what's more likely. And then there's the part of my brain of what my spiritual-- you know what I mean? That sports fandom baby. So, OK, so 49ers and Seahawks, ah man, Kenny Mayn or Dan? I don't know. Oh no. What a choice. Mina Kimes as well is a Seahawks fan. I'll root for the Niners. She doesn't even sound like she believes it. Worth mentioning, is George Kittle still out? Yes, obviously. He's done. He tore his what? Kiles. So Kittle is out. Go Niners. Have we heard-- boasts is obviously out. Have we heard if somebody was potentially maybe coming back for this game? They opened the window for Fred Warner, which is insane. It is, isn't it? Fred Warner was supposed to be like long gone out for the season. Right. He's not going to play this week. But like they said, there's an outside shot if they make it to the championship game. Yeah. OK. And Isabella picked them. So maybe they will. Go Niners. Go Niners. They've defied on so far. Why not one more game? Bang, bang, Niner gang, as they say. What's next, Chris? I think I know. On Sunday at 3 p.m. It's the Texans at the Pates. Oh, go Pates. OK, that was easy. You're not worried at all about the Texans defense. I don't know. That was crazy. Yeah, I was watching. It was like, oh, so they really are that good. They're really good. They are arguably better, not arguably. They're better than their offense, quite a bit, especially the other day. Yeah. But yeah. So OK, Isabella feels confident. So so do I. And then the last game. The final game, Isabella. I feel like this is going to be pretty tough for you to fix. The Rams at the Bears on Sunday at 6 p.m. Her mother.
productive receiver in her first fantasy season which she won Pukka Nakuha versus her quarterback Caleb Williams and the Bears technically are her team because she picked Blue and Orange I feel like going into this season you were like I'll root for the Bears and look what it's done I know you know what I'm fucking rooting for the Bears all right I'm rooting for the Bears I think that's the correct decision I think that's the correct decision for the Bears I would love it if they want okay look Williams I saw somebody on on Tiktok argue that the whole in the space-time continuum that we tore open when the Chicago Cubs managed to win the World Series that set us on this disastrous timeline that we currently find ourselves on will only close when the Bears win the Super Bowl and so we need to be rooting for the Bears to win the Super Bowl so that we can get our train back on track and they said that the the Pope being named the Chicago guy was like the first sign of like this is the direction that we need to go in and then now the Bears just need to win the Super Bowl and things will finally go back to feeling normal and okay instead of literally scary every single day so I think that was a good pick Isabella go bear so much thank you go bears go bears um okay Nolan Aeronaut was traded to the Diamondbacks if people care he's the third baseman he was acquired in a trade by the Diamondbacks what what was traded in return is minor league pitcher Jack Martin's okay he's like an eighth-rounder he's like a and that's how you say that yeah he is Martin's Martin is but really it just comes down to it's a salary dump it's that the Cardinals are paying all of it except for like $11 million for the end of Aeronautos contract yeah well a big name making a big move I'm so pissed I gotta I gotta I got a rare opportunity to break news to you in the middle of the podcast what's it gonna be are we at war no okay not yet just say not yet it's safer that way according to baseball writer man John Heyman the Boston Red Sox have agreed to a lot of trash Boba chef Boba chef with left handed pitcher Ranger Suarez okay I don't hate Ranger Suarez coming from the Phillies I don't he's I like him I just that's not gonna do it no that's not good enough but that's probably the boba chef money he's bobe he's how much five years 130 million dollars wow how old is Ranger Suarez not particularly old what's this position he's a pitcher um I know you guys need a third basement is Abella he's 30 no is Abella nailed it yeah he's 30 but he does not play third base nor could he if he wanted to because he's left handed in a in a pitcher so it's like not usually what they're known for being good at fielding the ball it's fucking absurd I I'm not kidding every time I think about it I get upset where I'm like we I remember when we signed Alex Breggman and I went we have a third basement why would we spend all that money on a third basement and it's exactly because of this reason that you don't do that because we had to get rid of one of them because you can't have to and then the other one left us and so now we've got nobody but we've got Ranger Suarez so things should be fine I guess I can't wait to hear Matt Damon Ben Affleck's take on the Alex Breggman situation and you will what a pro what a pro what a pro and you will it's Chris's way of going can you stop so we can get to the movie stars and that's fair enough the rip is a movie it releases on Netflix Friday January 16th that's tomorrow I'll give you the log line upon discovering millions in cash in a derelict stash house trust among a team of Miami cops begins to fray as outside forces learn about the size of the seizure everything is called into question including who they can rely on it follows the tactical narcotics team it's a movie about trust it's a it's a it's intense if you've got anxiety you might want to take little breaks because there's just a lot of tension in the room and a great cast Kyle Chandler's in their Ben Affleck Matt Damon Steven Young Tiana Taylor Sasha Kaye there's a lot of people in this movie it's good it's on Netflix they came by Matt Damon Ben Affleck and Joe Carnahan fresh from Stern which is huge for our show and I these are the two most famous people to me if you ask me the two most famous people three it's Ben Affleck Matt Damon and Joe Carnahan so I was very stressed about this which came together at the last minute and I just I'll be honest I'll give myself a scouting report didn't do well on clock management and so I'm a little bummed by the things we did not get to does not matter the things we did get to just as interesting so we're gonna hit a quick break and when we come back I can't believe I'm saying the sentence but Joe Carnahan Matt Damon and Ben Affleck join us after the break I wanted to start by talking to you guys about the Patriots because thank God they won but we're gonna hold off for a little bit we're gonna start by talking about your movie okay we just do that if we start yeah the rip releases on Netflix on January 16th it's a a cop movie about the TNT which I had never heard of before and it stands for the tactical narcotics team what made you to want to do this movie what spoke to you about this script I mean it's a really good sharp like very kind of in some ways old school like it's got a very clean story and it's and it's it keeps you kind of guessing but also the opportunity to be kind of grounded in in reality which I think it needs to be you gotta believe these are real people and believe this is a real circumstance and have a little bit of that what would I do if I ran into a building then there was 20 million dollars in there and look you know nobody's above temptation and it's about like kind of who can you trust and I thought it had the opportunity to have some really like interesting performances and I've known Joe for a long time and I thought like and despite the fact that Joe was directing it yeah I don't know how we how I got that one under the wire it's like we like NARC has always been a favorite movie of ours I feel like Joe really understands these men and and what this life is like and and one of the things I was really I thought was really interesting it's just about like people who do a really hard job where you know it's dangerous and there's a lot of temptation and sometimes like hostility and and you know it's tough and the idea that there's a lot of integrity in finishing the day and doing your job I thought was just a beautiful movie and also one that would be really interesting to watch and I like the idea I feel like now you bring you can't help but bring associations that people have with you to the story and because I think you know if you if you know who Matt and I are you probably know that we are friends and have been friends for a long time so the idea of like a rift between these two people and like a genuine fracture in the trust is a really interesting it's one thing just not to trust somebody because you know they're the villain it's another thing when you know they've been your friend for so many years and I think people believed that and so it gave us a chance to do something really interesting storytelling I mean and I was about Joe could pull it off and I you know carrying Matt as an actor it's hard a lot of weight a lot of weight yeah he's heavy you do a fantastic job yeah Joe one thing I was struck by in this film is that so much of it takes place in such a small area right inside that house right and then it's such big names in the cast and that something about the way that that golden globe winner Tiana I was going to see how much did you guys Ross part two did you watch the globes or did you watch the patriots we watch the be careful boys be careful be very careful and we're celebrated her win online amazing and I'm sure you also texted Bill Simmons because he got thanks yes I saw that which is kind of yeah gotta say congrats to him but yeah with Tiana Taylor I mean you have Kyle Chandler not that he's necessarily in that house you guys Stephen Young there's a lot of big names how did you manage to make it feel so it it was so stressful the entire time I was so at any minute I didn't know like is this the thing that's going to make a big thing happen it was just like constant stress how do you maintain that I think it's I think the script we got you know we had a like it was been mentioned really strong I think the script worked really well and I think again to Benz boy you're also banking out of 40 year relationship with these guys has been friends as kids and so when you you know when you and also you know you got the two you know the kind of the top of the food chain when they're when they're behaving the way they were and kind of game and kind of ready to go everybody came to work and work hard and I think that inside that stuff they're also had really good notes and we you know listen it's anybody tells you that filmmaking is not a communal effort is nuts it is you know you need everybody and all their input all their great ideas all the bad ideas everything you sort through that stuff and I think that because we because again they have such an easy use around one another and you and I think that when you do a little bit there it creates a lot of tension and I think that's what happened and I think that and if you can maintain that which I think we did a good job maintain you're not you're not really aware that you're in one place for like an hour and what hour a change you know whatever it is and I think that that's just a function of and hopefully we're getting back to stories like that we don't need to see you know giant monsters knocking huge chunks of skyscrapers down every time we go to the you know or every time you watch a movie so I think to get back to movies like this that have their kind of emotional center and it's about people and the simplicity of the
trail and trust and honor and nobility and you name it I'm hoping that we that there's a move back to that stuff. Yeah is it hard to direct directors actors that are also able to do all of the other stuff? Were they hard to work with? Yeah. Yeah. Obviously. No. No. No. I'm also the studio bosses. Well I think I'm gonna tell you stories. I didn't know that. Yes. I'll know if we get Matt said to me when he goes. Currently how pull faces for you all day man? I'm just. Whatever you need but no like listen both of them it's like you know he would hang around to do his own hand inserts You know which nobody does you know it's like and it's just for people who don't know what are you inserting your hand if you do if you do a shot of someone's That's you have to ask him that That's much more personal question but kind of remark I've learned not to respect But over a year you know if you do it close up if someone's hand a lot of times I could be like yeah get somebody come in and you know so it's the minutia you know that they and so But so funny we first when we when it first landed artist Zach we don't I'll never get Matt saying it's like hey This is great. Maybe I want to do it. Who do you see is the cast? I'm like, I don't know Paulie Shore and Liza Monelli. What do you tell you guys? Although I do think those two would have done well in a trial Movie the different movie for sure and you guys did okay, but I think they could have really elevated. It's a very different way But no, I know it was it was lovely and and and and again to have the support of because that can be a very precarious place to be it's like you're working for your bosses and and but they were lovely and again because that's the artist in them I think they're good about separating out those things. Yeah, I'm here to do this job That's that's that's a separate phase, you know, I was gonna say is that hard for you to like turn off your brain that wants to direct or is it Easier. No, I mean, it's really it's a director's medium and our company is all about facilitating the director and making sure they have what they need and And so it's very easy to Take that hat off and go to work and work for and show yeah, I learned from directing how much wisdom there is and Align your figure out what the director wants really listen to them and try to move in tandem with them because the idea Probably analogous to sports too like I'm gonna go out and run my own place like the rest of the team is running a draw You're gonna go long, you know, I mean you're not gonna get the football no matter how fast you are and that's You know, I think that's an app metaphor It's like you've got to figure out what what is director want to do and how do you fit into that? And I I became from directing much more Wanting to be compliant and understand that and and less kind of about my own ideas because this doesn't matter What's your ideas are the director's gonna be making their movie and the ship is going in that direction? You say you're a little boat out somewhere else. You're just gonna be lost Let's see and a lot of those conversations. I mean all of those conversations really happened before you get to set You know, it's not like you're discovering this while you're working Joe wrote this script It was great. We all talked about the script We we sat down and and had kind of note sessions and tried to try to Understand exactly what his vision was and then by the time you're shooting it You're just really kind of executing on his plan and And and and if something comes up It's just it's just an idea or an inspiration that happens in that moment We've kind of troubleshot everything else before we get to work. That makes sense. It's a good plan Keep that up. Yeah, good job. We're gonna try you to Get into a physical altercation in this film allegedly is that the first time on Film that you've ever fought and then in life our stunt guys did fight. Yeah, they were good And our stunt guys have never been in a fight It was a lot for them. Yeah, and We watched yeah, I thought they were great with great interest You guys even like mark or block that or you just go like and this is where we'll fight no No, no, we blocked the whole scene out and we understand how it's gonna You know how we're gonna get into the fight I think some of it involved kind of a pretty hard tackle and a couple like slams on an actual concrete floor So you let the pros go in for that. So any time for me like Look hats off to Tom Cruise like that guy I would not be doing Like I'm not getting jumping. I have a plane hanging on the side In your Who wouldn't themselves The side of it we get it Tom Cruise you do your own stuff. I'm impressed. Yeah, I believe that for This kind of stuff, you know for me There's somebody that if there's somebody that can do it better than me like if it's sports double You know or or an action the same thing I tell directors actors when I'm directing which is like I do my job. It's gonna be you it's gonna be you But like you want somebody that moves as well as they possibly can he's done guys fighters like they just Have what they've been doing this their whole lives. They really know how to do it So you want to have the very best people it's like any of these jobs. It's collaborative It's collective effort and you want the very best people doing it and also I don't want to get a concussion by getting my head Before a lot which which he would have Years and years Our producers seem to suggest that men if you've been friends for 40 years you've had a physical fight Is that does that not hold true for the two of you? We have not a physical fight now. That's what I said I said they're they're civilized man. This says a lot about your producer I'm a little concerned about the workplace. Yeah, right Yeah, what's the environment like you when the deposition happens that can we note your honor that I served This was in front we knew this was gonna happen Speaking of fights the pay triads. Yes, the Patriots won go Pat's we say go Pates on this podcast because is a Bella our producer We're turning her into a sports fan and she She heard about the Patriots she saw a PATS and she said if it's the Patriots Why is that is that pronounced Pates? No, of course not and but now it is so we call them the Pates go Pates go Pates go Pates go Pates John Ham likes to call them the Patsys He's wrong, okay. He's right. He's been proven wrong over and over and over His football predictions. I just for the record. Did you guys you got to watch the game? Yeah, yeah, okay 16 to three win over the chargers. How are we feeling about Drake May? Oh, we love a Drake May, I mean it's like a miracle. How do you get another really good quarter? It's this is one of those things where you think like this is just good fortune It wasn't I thought it'd be I thought I'd be dead before doing that another great football team Well, so like our childhood was spent like just I mean the Pats were Jim Plunkett and Steve Grogan And right just Tony Easton Easton. Yeah, there was one year we got the Six yes rolled over that was a that was a fridge that was the they didn't get that touchdown I know and I was brutal. Look at you. Yeah, no, I was a big that was like that was kind of a historic team that 86 bears team But Walter Peyton Walter Peyton rural Campbell probably favorite football players all time they're running back So I'm to not get paid to touchdown to get one of the fridge was just I hate a dick From that moment for it. So it was like come on man. Yeah, you gotta look after your guy fair How do we feel about take right there? You like that? It's good. That's like a I'm so I gave you that look back Something interesting that Brabill's done an unbelievable job. Oh my god. He's incredible incredible. We got this unbelievable coach You know and and where was before was he coach was a Tennessee and they fired and they fired him I love when that happens and and just you know, it was like okay. We'll take him. Yeah, okay We'll come on over raise your hands. Yeah, we'll take him and and and and Robert Kraft and that whole organization is just Since he since he bought it. It's just been an entirely different thing, you know It's just it's an uncompletely unlike the team that unrecognizable unrecognizable Yeah, I mean, why was it could you couldn't watch the games because they had blackouts because they couldn't sell out I couldn't sell out Foxboro and so the games weren't on Which was kind of a small mercy to us and their child don't worry. We'll just see Bob Lowe Bell tell us how much we lost by on the news that night Get right to the Bruins They had the game in the dark and just didn't tell anybody about it Does this feel similar to Brady Bellachek to you? I know it's early. I know that's a very early Does I don't know if we're jinxing it by asking you but I would say you've jinxed it. Yeah, thank you late I just felt like coming into this season. I had no expectations for this No, I don't think anybody that's just like team going well. They were foreign 13 last year So so just was like anything could happen but I don't think anyone expected no Everyone was seeing it as a rebuilding year and also a first year on the ground for for this new coach that everyone's Excited about but no what they've done is incredible incredible and and also the way they're set up for the future like we're Drake May is 23 years old. They could we've got all this caps. We've got like every time I see the guy with this kid is in high school I mean I mean people are like no dad. You're just old That's for me second year or this is a second year second year Yeah, that sports though. It's the thing that keeps you the most like wow I'm old because now these are the kids of the people that I was watching Yeah, right you start to see a lot of the kids Why do I have to be reminded of the Marvin Harrison Jr. What's like? Oh my god his kids playing it like a whole yeah It's absolutely disgusting and completely unfair. How do you feel about we don't know at time of recording this This is coming out on Thursday, but we're recording this on Monday So we actually don't know who the patriots are playing next. It's either the Steelers or the Texans depending on who wins tonight How do you guys feel about the patch chances in the next round? Texans have a great deal
defense, Steelers have Aaron Rogers. And you know, I mean, there's not an easy game for anybody for the rest of the way. So, and I think the great thing about this season is it's like, there are probably 10 teams who any one of who wins the Super Bowl, you'd go like, yeah, I'm not surprised. You know, like, and that's great. Like, there's not that kind of dynastic hold on the thing that there has been in the past, usually by New England. - Yeah. - So that was that bad. - So, no, it was great for us. - Yeah. - Not so good for everybody else, but so it's made it really exciting. And I don't know, I mean, I think what they're getting now, which is great and kind of invaluable, is playoff experience. And the further they go and the more, you know, the more kind of, the better built they're gonna be for this kind of run that it feels like they should go on barring injury, they should go on for a number of years coming up. - I'm a big believer in the, like, a big part of Brady's greatness. Like, they always say, oh, it's psychological, blah, blah. I always thought that was kind of bullshit, you know? But then I think, you know, like, his, just not getting tight, you know, not, because like, you get nervous, you get anxious, it just, you know, and who doesn't? You know, I get tight watching the game, right? - I'm very tight right now. (laughing) - Once again, it's the kind of thing I've learned not to wrong to. But I think that that is, like, that's the thing you wanna, like, and you see how people do under that kind of pressure, you know, it was the famous story about Joe Montana, you know, at the end of the Super Bowl, got in the team into the hall, and was like, hey, is that John Candy? - Yeah. - You know, and they all look up to see, but they're like, I don't know, all right, let's go. And then, you know, then he throws the past to Dwight Clark, whatever it's like, the relaxation and like, being at ease, I think, is a big part of it. And Brady just seems like a guy constitutionally incapable of getting anxious about anything. - Yeah. But that's an actual real thing. It's like that, I remember you were telling me about that, that experiment they did in the military, where they had 30 Marines, and then they had like, 30 Tier I guys. - Special forces. - And they told them 30 days out that they were gonna go on this mission that where they could expect heavy casualties, and they weren't telling them what the mission was. And every day, they tested these guys blood. And, you know, the Marine unit, you know, their cortisol levels were going up, right, every day, as this day grew closer, they're, you know, they're getting ready. And the special forces guys cortisol levels were going down every day as they got closer. And then when they got to the actual, the eve of this thing, they came in and they announced, not mission scrapped, don't worry about it. And the Marine units cortisol levels dropped, right? And the special forces guys cortisol levels went up. - Jeez, man. - Not crazy. - Yeah. - And but it's just, I think, you know, - The folks at people are constitutionally like, set up to function, some of the guys were saying, I feel better in chaos, you know, and they get sort of stable. And I remember as this guy, "Thelk, me's still only less than, "I know, 900 people have ever been in the Delta Force, right?" The history of this thing is incredibly elite military unit. And I said, "What makes a good Delta Force?" And they always sort of looked around, "I don't know." And finally, one of them was like problem solving. And I was thinking like problem solving. Because it's a lot like your job. I said, "I assure you it is not like my job." But I realized was like the ability to solve problems and stay calm when there are people shooting at you. That's really, you know, that kind of like, your life's in danger and you're in this incredibly difficult position and you're four to miles from the helicopter, drop zone or whatever. And the other guys were going, "Okay, what do you think we ought to do here now?" That every, this has gone sideways. I think let's go around the, you know what I mean? Like, to be lucid and function that way. And I do think there's a something. - When a hundred thousand people are screaming and they're all anxious. Like, how do you not kind of biosmosis or whatever just pick up that energy? But those people who, you know, the Aaron Rodgers of the world or Tom, obviously, like they just, you just look in their eyes. That's why I love HDTV and like that. Because, and I love watching the games 'cause the coverage is so good and you can look and you can see who's nervous. And you can see who's just not. - I was gonna ask you about that. What's your game watching situation on game day? Are you, I mean, you guys can't really probably go to a bar and watch it. You can't like go. - You can't relax. - Yeah, that's, I assume most of it's like watching it at home. Are you going to a lot of games? - I gotta say like football's the one sport. I don't wanna, you know. - That's bad watch life. - But like it's not as good as television's so good. Put it this way. That a lot of times you go to the game and then you're watching the TV. You're trying to see the replay and you're trying to see the, because like, there are a lot of, you know, there are a lot of players and a lot of different things. And you know, from far away, just a rumbling up and down the field. But there's a lot of nuance to it. And you benefit from the broadcasters who, you know, guys like Tom Brady, who are experienced, thinking kind of talk in an informed way about like what someone's was probably thinking. And it's just, so you don't feel like you're missing anything by watching the TV. Even baseball, which is a big game, is that there's, you can focus on what's actually important in happening during the game at the game. I'm basketball's an incredible game to watch. - To watch the live. - I mean, that's hockey's the best game ever. - You miss hockey's number one. Number one, much better than a TV. - I can't TV, that's not TV. - Yeah, that's it. - But it's interesting, my son, who's not a, who's a big football guy, but took a job working on this sports podcast. I took him so far a couple of weeks ago to see the Lions Rams. And he's like, "Dad, this game makes sense now. I can see the field." - Hi, man. - Now I understand first and 10. I understand how this, how it works. So the geometry of it was, became important to him. And watching on TV, I think it's confusing. My girlfriend's been as well and she's like, I don't know what the hell's going on. So we take it for granted, grew up watching football. But first and 10, four, the way, what did they get another set of doubts? Wait, if they throw a pass at what it's, so you're answering questions, you go, I think for him it was like, it all kind of made sense. 'Cause we can see the full layout of the field. - That's the thing, have you ever tried explaining baseball to somebody? - Oh my god, I don't understand it. - It's a hot thing. - It's like you would click it, I still know what the hell. - The only good part is that there's plenty of time to get your point out. You can go and we'll pick up after this. And okay, I'm not gonna have a pitch call. - Now the pitch call, I really like a pitch call. - It is, it is a little fast now at the pitch clock. Do you like it? You like you guys at baseball guys? - I think, I actually think they should turn the pitch clock off in the playoffs. - Huh, okay. - Because the draw-up of the game, have you ever seen the clip of them throwing over to first base 17 times in Vince Coleman? - Right, fucking steals on the eighties. - Right, right. - And gets to, like that, I mean that is, you know what I mean? - Yeah. - So like limiting the number of times you can throw to first base, I just think, yeah, for the regular season and you get attendance up. - So guys are definitely dragging it out at times. Like in a way that's sort of, and look I get it, there's that tension in our business. You know, we're, we wanna take as much time as it takes to do the scene, do the nuance. There's also the part of it that's like, you've got people watching, you've gotta be mindful of the odds. - Yeah, then you put your first cut of the movie up with an audience and you're like, we gotta cut all this shit out. (laughing) - It's way too slow. - Right here in the pool, yeah. - Yeah, true. - It's time between pitches it has to go. - Do you guys have thoughts on Alex Breggman? It was just announced. - Oh, he just mentioned this dude. - Oh, I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say. We had two third baseman last year, two all-star third baseman and now we have none. - I'm upset. - I'm upset. I was talking to Bill Simmons, interestingly enough, because you'd mentioned him earlier, you know, and we love him obviously. But I ended up, I did an interview with him the day we lost Mookie, I think, or right around that time. And what he said, which was great, like right off the top of his head, was he was like, I'm upset because I was personally planning for a decade, to a decade and a half of watching him play. - Yes. - You know, and it's just brutal when you lose people like that. And-- - So you have a Dodger's fan, so I'm gonna move. - Oh, I mean, they're-- - Oh, but-- - That's just-- - That's just turned into like the Yankees. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - A lot of players. - Yeah, yeah. They give them a lot of good will still, but you can feel it's just the match. - Well, by the way, Mookie did not have a good world series. He did not have been post-season. He did it all. - Yeah, he had an F-Z. - Probably you've got nine million other MVPs on your team. - You got a pretty broad sense. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - My God, those-- Are you guys like softened to the-- Are you friendly to Dodger's fans because your LA-- - Yeah, I was doing the Odyssey last year. We were all over the world. And most of like the grip and electric crew were from LA and they were huge Dodger fans. - Gerby's huge. - Yeah, I mean, huge. - And so everyone was talking about it. And look, I get it. Like it is, it's an unbelievably exciting team to follow right now. Like they're historically stacked and great. And like, and Otani is just, there's, I don't-- - Yeah, and there was a spirit of the Dodgers that I think there's something still bestied that, they had something reminiscent of the Red Sox. They're sort of moving to-- - I think it's them up people. - They moved me and they got all the players. - Yeah, yeah, the vestigial aspect of the actual fucking roster. - Gerby's took the big team. - Yeah, yeah. - Niserval, I hate the Dodgers. We have a-- I have so many things I wanted to talk to you guys about. Obviously, we don't have a ton of time. I had a quick game I wanted to play with you. Would that be okay? - Depends on how you feel. - Well, underneath your seats, you all have whiteboards and markers. It's sort of a bit like the newlyweds, but there's three of you. The questions, Joe, no offense, these are mostly for Matt and Ben, but I want your answers. You're kind of our-- - You can be be honest. - No, no, you're in it. You're like our control group. - Okay. - The goal here-- - What I think they would say is this is-- - Kind of. Yeah, that's the bit. The sports are always about numbers. This is not numbers trivia. I'm more interested in a different kind of--
numbers. So we're calling this by the numbers. What it is is I'm going to ask you, I'll say, let's say for example, our first question. How many? Do I need the magnets? Can I cheat? You can keep those are for you. Okay, thank you. That's a good thank you. So much. Tell me we would get great stuff. Thank you. And that's it. That's the great stuff. It's three magnets. The first question is going to be how many innings of Red Sox baseball did Ben watch last year? Okay. So now Ben, yes, I'll tell you that if you want to know the math of 162 games, nine innings, assuming they all just were regular. Well, that's 900 plus 560 something like that, right? 14, how much 14, 14, 14, 15, so not looking, right? Ben's going to write how many he thinks he watched last year. And then you guys are going to write how many you think he watched last year. And then we're going to review it. I'm going to say last year, how many things did I wish? Okay. Yeah. And it's all about being honest. Sure, sure. You know, no one has even owned their marker. Yes. So yeah, yeah, yeah, like the goal is to just sort of gauge how much actual baseball gigantic Red Sox fan Ben Affleck actually watched last year. Did he, is he a 162 guy? Is he just watching the first and last inning of every game? How many innings of Red Sox based on the internet? Yeah. That's true. That is true. Let's map how many do you think Ben watched last year? 27, 27 totaling. Oh wait. Yeah, he directed a movie last year. Yeah. He's working full time as the CEO of our company. Right. I cannot imagine that he had time to watch much baseball. The games come on earlier out there while he's in the office. So true. So I'm saying over the course of the year, three full games if you added it up. And I mean, that's not it. It's a very atypical season for him, but just knowing what I know about the year that he had, I'm guessing somewhere around there. Okay. I said 120. Okay. Much nicer. Yeah. Much more quiet. Yeah. How many Ben Affleck? I estimated 10 games. Why did you write it so small? I just said 10 games. I don't feel the need to compensate. We 10 games or 10 innings. Oh 90. Confident in my sense. 90. Yeah. Oh 10 innings. I mean, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. I was close. I mean, you know, the truth is that like in the years when I was probably established myself as the well-known Redstone, there are years where I watched every single inning of every single one. When Pedro was pitching, we from the 90, everything 2007. When Pedro was pitching, you forget whatever was happening. We were, we were, we were watching. I would come out of the trailer for the, but like, you know, that's not I had kids that happened. Yeah. And they became more important than the Redstone. Yeah. And then it was kind of like, yeah, I watched last time. I've been working more and also really disappointed you watched that much baseball that you could be working harder. Oh, this is a lot. I've just tried to make myself look a little bit better. Okay. Now we have to do almost just put zero as a hope. Matt Damon. Yeah. How many members of the current Boston Red Zucks can Matt Damon name? You don't have to name them. You just have to say how many. What's your roster baseball? How many players in roster? That sounds right. Write it really tiny if you could for me. Ben. Do you have bad eyes? What's happening that's just triggering you? You're supposed to hold it up and go like, Hey, this is my answer. I don't commonly when given a piece of paper. Write things like, you know, what's your name? Everybody keep in mind that while a roster has 27 players, it's 26 because we don't have a third basement. We're going to do about that. Who is going to play? Third base. How many? How many? How many current Red Sox players can your friend, Matt Damon name? I'm going to dedicate this answer to you. You know what? So he'll give me the benefit of the towel, pal. All right, Ben. How many can Matt Damon name? Can you see that? Yeah. Okay. It's a big thing. I almost took my original. Thank you. He says 10. I go 18. I went 22. You think you can name 18 members of the foreign Boston Red Sox? I hope so. Lucky for you. They're telling me in my ear, we don't have time for you to name any of them because you guys have to go to your next thing. Everybody should check out the rip, which releases on Netflix, Friday, January 16th, for a real important reason, right? Because you guys had something to do with the payment structure for people involved in the movie. We are company built bonus structure where we are trying to sort of institute essentially performance based compensation and apply that not just to the cast and they go above the line producers, writers, etc. But the all 1200 people in the crew. So what we kind of negotiated built in, which is like as the movie if in the event that the movie does well or then even better than that, and even better, there are a number of tiers of terms of hours watched. And that will get trigger additional bonus payments to everybody who worked on the movie cast and crew that I think are pretty meaningful. This was kind of as a reaction in a lot of ways to we, you know, strikes and a lot of difficult, our business is changing. To be clear, the crew's already been paid. They were paid to do the movie. Nobody knew what he was doing. I was like, you guys have to go watch the movie right now. Yeah, now this is on top of everybody gets paid their rate. And then there's the, we certainly couldn't ask anybody to cut before this is instituted. But the idea ultimately is, hey, look, you know, people say, well, it's too expensive to make a movie. This is too difficult, etc., etc. I think people don't want to be paid for nothing or they, they just, you know, we're trying to achieve a kind of fairness, right? And so that if a movie is really successful, that, you know, the crew cast and crew, a crew more money. And really for us, a part of it is trying to align and focus everyone's incentives on the same thing, which is we should all be there to make the movie great. And we should all have an incentive to make the movie great. And part of that incentive should be in your paycheck, you know, I think some of your cross purposes with people and they're just like, you know, they're like, I'm going to get the same thing no matter what happens with this movie. It just works a lot better when everyone's actually after that, that goal's the team concept. This sports. Yeah, yeah. I mean, incentive based contracts and bonus structures are completely familiar. So yeah, people at home, when you watch it, just start watching it again instead of watching it. Yeah, watch it. You watch it. They're going to watch it. Watch it. Watch it. We're in the first. Yeah, you're soon within the first few days of it coming out. Watch it. First any day you could leave it on running for 90 days. We would be fine. No one would be mad at you. It's like a faucet. Just leave like the carpenters and the paint on set, stand by painter and the camera. Very. And there's two guys who thought because you two couldn't just man up and do it themselves. Man, exactly. They do very well. And they deserve it. And we're going to compensate it. Yes, of course. Thank you guys so much for being here. This is incredible. I can't believe I just met all three of you. You just say two. It's okay. No, no. You'll be what you'll be the lasting memory from me because I've blacked out your issue. Okay, big thanks to Joe Carnahan, Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. Man, I'm so bummed at myself. I'm hard on myself in general, but I'm so bummed that we did not manage to have enough time to do that bit at the end because it really, we leave it in because you want all the Matt Damon and Ben Affleck you can get. But really, it did not get to see the light. It did not get to experience the moment that it should have that was going to be. It's a good supplement. It was going to be such a good bit. Some of the questions that were going to be asked on that pitch. I read those or do we leave them mysterious? Here's what we were going to we're going to ask in that bit. We were going to ask how many celebrity Red Sox fans does Matt Damon think are more famous than him? Incredible content. You're going to say zero. Incredible. And also just see what Ben thinks Matt's going to say. And also what Joe thinks Matt's going to say because that's also important and interesting. We had how many texts does Ben have back and forth with Tom Brady since the NFL season began? A great opportunity to find out if he has any intel on Alex Earl. Really when you've got people this famous that are coming in to do press for something, the whole game is how to ask them a question that you know you're probably not supposed to ask them but you back them into a situation where it just came up naturally. And now look here we are talking about it. The next one was going to be how fast does Ben Affleck think he can throw a fastball? Now we're getting into their friendship. Now we're getting into because who's more honest about how athletic you are than your friend of 40 years? They're going to tell the truth. So you may be out here wanting to say you can throw it fast and maybe your best friend who is famous actor Matt Damon would call you out on that and make fun of you. Wouldn't that have been fun in hilarious? Ben the next one was given 100 free throws. How many does Matt Damon think he can hit? Great content. We're loving it. You're seeing it. You're getting the vibe. You're laughing. I'm so upset. We had how many yards does Ben Affleck think he could kick a field goal? We have what is the lowest round of golf Ben Affleck has ever shot? And then what I was really going for. What I really. Well this one's also good. How old is the oldest piece of Red Sox clothing that Ben Affleck still wears? Great. Fantastic number. And then I was going to pivot from numbers. And the last questions were going to be. And I almost if you watch we don't have the you can see on my face going, should I just do it? Should I just ask these last two? But I just sold the bit as being about numbers. So it wouldn't have made sense. But I wanted to know Matt Damon's favorite Red Sox player of all time and Ben Affleck would have to guess who that is. And then I wanted to know Ben Affleck's least favorite Yankee of all time and Matt Damon would have to guess who that is. Because I was really hoping we could talk a little bit about A-Roth. But I guess it just wasn't in the
cards. I was so I'm so grateful that they did this show. I'm so happy that I got to meet them. I'm mad at myself that I didn't manage the clock better. It's something I'm working on. As Mike Tomlin would say, famously, because he was known for his Tomlinisms, he told a player once on that season of Hard Knocks, he said, "You're gonna be great. You're just not gonna be great today." As in, you got to learn this lesson and move forward from it. And then Brady, all this means is you just got to book Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, and Joe Carnahan again so that we can get back to this to this bit. Hard hands can be tough, man. Easy enough. Yeah. And if he's busy, he's busy. I was gonna say we could do it without him, but I really don't think we could. Yeah, done is be off. He's crucial to the bit. So honestly, though, thank you to them for coming and listen. Watch the rip. If you guys are looking for something to watch, it's high action. It's tense. It's all about who you can trust. There's misdirects. You won't know what's gonna happen until the end. It's a good movie. And there's a dog. And there's a dog. And as they mentioned in the interview, they've got a thing worked out with Netflix for the bonus structure for every single person who worked on the film. Which, you know, as they were saying, their industry, that industry is constantly changing and evolving. And it's very different. Same kind of with sports as you can see, fanatics is getting into the content game. So everybody's industries are kind of in flux right now. And I think it's really cool that two guys like that who have been in this, who've been working for a long time at a high level are trying to find innovative new and creative ways to get incentive structures so that the people who work together to make movies. It really is a team effort. We'll also be compensated when those movies do well. So check out the rip. It's on Netflix tomorrow. And big thanks to Joe Carnahan, Matt Damon, and Ben Affleck. That's it for the episode you guys. Kind of a crazy one. Kind of wild. If you want to reach out to us, don't forget you can always do that. Casuals with
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