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Bosco and Goblin Drag Prerequisites with Katya

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Bosco and Goblin Drag Prerequisites with Katya

Mary Bosco offers a candid, deeply personal reflection on her journey in drag, blending humor, vulnerability, and sharp social commentary. She discusses the meticulous preparation required for stage performances, from makeup and wigs to costumes and lighting, highlighting both the creative joy and physical discomfort involved. A central theme is her advocacy for gender-affirming spaces and practices, criticizing how trans women face disproportionate scrutiny and restrictions compared to cisgender performers. She critiques the rigid gender binaries often imposed on drag, arguing that the art form should embrace fluidity, diversity, and authenticity. Bosco shares memorable moments from her career, including a standout runway look with a bizarre, horror-inspired design that challenged norms and drew strong reactions. She also reflects on the emotional toll of public performance, from anxiety during rehearsals to the stress of meet-and-greets and audience scrutiny. Her critique extends to drag culture’s current state, where she feels oversimplified and commercialized, and calls for a cultural reset—prioritizing inclusivity, vulnerability, and authentic self-expression over spectacle or gendered stereotypes. She challenges outdated tropes, such as the “Twink” label, and champions more nuanced, empowering representations of identity. Ultimately, Bosco presents drag not as a gendered performance, but as a dynamic, evolving form of self-expression that demands respect, dignity, and space to grow.

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it goes without saying that i have full body chills for our for our guests today um neither of us are are bald uh one of us is beautiful and i'm going to try to um i'm going to try to restrain my lecherous pervert um proclivities and uh have a civilized conversation with our guest i wish you wouldn't i'm gonna try okay she's a woman of grace and dignity but she also happens to be one of the hottest whores ever produced by god himself please welcome bosco thank you i don't know if god can take credit for this i'm gonna have to give some of it to dr lou it's god okay it's kind of short so how are you doing first of all thank you for coming how are you doing i'm so good i'm so good i'm so good um not really i was at hamburger mary's weho last night and had and we've done that for like four days in a row hamburger double seating weho not the most glamorous stage setup stage setup there's no stage right there okay yeah there's tables there's a linoleum okay so what do you feel about do they have like a do they have a pole or there's like a spiral staircase there's a spiral staircase they need a pole that would kind of be fun like fireman style just like that's how the girls get and then a motorized one to bring you back up okay i was just like how do we get the lunch like beam you up um yeah not i mean how do you feel about dinner drag it is not my sport um but i do like money yes and i do like hanging out with the la girls and the only way you can hang out with the la girls is by working working yeah no one's gonna go out no one's gonna hang out with you ever so you have to like find ways to just work with them the only way the only way fucking drag queens is if there's money exactly if you're gigging with them so we did that it's like trixie i i call her all the time she's like i don't hear dollar signs so it's not sponsored by me i don't hear dollar signs yeah yeah yeah so what what numbers did you do what numbers did i do okay um i did um eaten alive by diana ross it is um back in the 80s when she used to do a lot of cocaine you can hear like the bass player sniffling on the track it's great it's ferocious and mean and i stole the entire number from uh monica monroe who was continental in 93 and she a black woman she was not okay she was not she was a white lady with um a larger nose so just like me and it's great okay just making sure we're not stealing from black folks no but i think she might have stolen from a black lady so who's to say i'm not i'm personally not doing wait did diana ross or donna summer diana ross okay what other what other numbers did you do um i did amy winehouse you know i'm no good and i got very naked to that one and then we like crawled over the tables and poured water on ourselves because our last costume is like a swimsuit hot wet tits damn so talk about nudity on stage is there is there ever is it what's the process what's the prep is there anxiety about going on there so i have things down to a pretty well-oiled um science i would say i have oiled oiled yeah um lots of different adhesives i use carpet tape okay which is like an industrial double-sided tape and that holds on pasties that holds on bitch bobs yep um we have the vinyl tape that everybody loves to like sling sling the bits back okay that's that clear that clear a little bit of stretch yeah yeah yeah yeah i know that one courtney uses that to to form whatever the fuck she thinks is a pussy it's truly horrifying truly horrifying if you've ever seen if you've seen it up close it's the terrifier i'm just kidding um it's uh then and then do you like have you had malfunctions i'm sure you've had malfunctions in the past how do you do like if you're already that naked how much shame can you possibly have left if like your nipple falls out or you have like a little bit do you ever get in trouble i have not gotten in trouble for it even though there's been like some side nut city limit situations where a little bit of spillage but here's the thing if the local law enforcement happen to like roll up on the joint you think that they're going to arrest you no they're going to get a rock hard to mess and boner and they're going to let you go por que no dos they can have they can have it all what did you just say um why not both oh in espanol yes you're so learned oh woman of the world one thing that i have noticed though is i've been getting a lot of um gender affirming misogyny from different i thought you were going to say gender affirming massages that's it they just go in they just massage the boob like that is a harassment xx oh yes yes yes double d's good for you why not let's just ditch the misogyny and just go to gender affirming massages i think we could start something like so wait what happened what happened oh just like in certain states i have to wear more clothing than boys who are doing the same thing as me and like in certain states there will be drag queens that have to be that can be less covered up than i have to be because i have female presenting breasts and it's honestly very affirming but also just very annoying because like when you shift over enough into like girlhood womanhood um you find that the state is all up in your business all the time girl i know it's like get that government out of my pussy absolutely get that that somebody should put that on a t-shirt yeah um excuse me congressman why do you have your whole body up my my coochie hole why are you feeling up on my titties feeling well it's a gender affirming massage he's the one that's actually doing it so it's his job i'm tipping you off well you know what back in the day when the girls used to get injected with who knows what that was a very gender affirming massage absolutely dr bob uh-huh when they have the rolling pin to like get it out of the crazy don't do that don't do that don't do that anymore if you can it looks really good if you don't do yeah it looks incredible it's painful it's cheap you're gonna love it there's no recovery time you leave the hotel and you go immediately you get right on that plane exactly you have to do this number on the plane but seriously you're in economy comfort just standing just lurch your head's underneath the cabinet girl i mean i've i have friends i have i have trans women friends who you know my age or older and you know back in the day they went to dr bob like heavy quotations on the doctor part and um you know they got injected with hydrogel or whatever you know these like experimental fillers for for creating womanly shapes and just got right on a plane got right on a plane halfway across the world from thailand absolutely yeah you have to wear the little stockings and like the super glue it shut absolutely nothing but the finest it's crazy no i in a moment of weakness i did come this close didn't didn't do it don't do it i'm sure it's very but it's just like the siren song for like all trans women because like there's not a huge amount of good options to like pad out the hips especially if you're skinny you can't really do like a bbl situation well also bbls even when performed bbls are really really dangerous they're super dangerous even when performed by a very by a very good doctor with you know in the united states they're very dangerous they're very dangerous blood clots and all that um what do you how do you get pumped how do you like i'm just trying to think about the historically the inclusion of or the introduction of trans women into drag into the drag race universe and um you know before that it was kind of like uh there there seemed to be like a pretty like hard reticence to go that route why do you think why do you think that happened what what softened do you think what do you what do you chalk that up to if you if anything i think a lot of it is like figuring out like when drag race first came around it was the first thing ever like it to be on television that kind of like went that big yeah and i feel like they wanted really clearly defined boundaries which is not something that you really get with gender and drag and they tried to make it the thing where it's just like oh they're like a boy during the day but they're a girl at night when most like professional drag queens are weird little gremlins that are never either any of the time hell it girl so i yeah i i feel like they really wanted that like they wanted the division information the separation of church and state yes yes and they they needed that they needed the two um branches of the government for cross-dressing yeah and trans women don't fit very neatly in that and it was just kind of hard to explain and like sell yeah i imagine which is i mean it which i i mean i know a lot of i know most of the trans women i know don't wear top and bottom lashes to go to the bank you know what i mean um i i don't see like looking at it now it's like i especially because a lot of like you said a lot of the contestants even if they're just identify as cis guys they got no brows no they got they got their legs are shaved it's very it's very it's giving is giving very like in between um there was a drag queen back home called misery with a z great drag name and that she was like she was during the day she was just one woman should be like lay misery i mean braids down her butt like like six inch um yes panamanian panamanian panamanian um and i'm just like very very not very um is it m is it f we don't know we were too afraid to ask you know what i mean yes yeah but you know but if i like i couldn't have walked into season two with these shoes in this wiglet no no they're gonna be like that's a lady that's like get out of here you bitch oh my god this is a place for men but do you know these girls start wearing pieces in the confessionals i love it too i love i want the glue i want the glued on lace brows oh i want the full-on i want the full-on like um bob barker rug like i want the whole boy like drag fantasy my favorite is when the hairpiece is under the wig cap mary under the - It's so fierce to me, it's so fierce to me. - Mary, if I were to go back on Drag Race, fucking mind i would take i would be so annoying about applying my wig cap oh absolutely and i was out oh god it's so oh my god i guess i have to pin it in and i would tape it too just because you know and then i would gel the hair and i would just be like what are you talking about i'd be in full full denial you're like gluing down the hairline like i need to make sure that i don't rip any of it out oh my god i would be glue sticking glue sticking i love the girls that do that where all of this is completely glued down i mean well i mean imagine i can't even i i've never been able to relate i've been bald since i was like fucking three but like to have a hairline like theresa judice where they need to glue stick half of their fucking otherwise the wig doesn't fit on so fierce love it what is the worst part about getting into drag and what is the best part about getting into drag oh these days um once it's all on and you see yourself in the mirror or like to your reflection of like the car window you're like okay yeah that's nice that's very very pussy that's very very lovely um the worst part is was there is there is there a moment where like for me it's the lips the lips and then for me contacts i have my eyes so i um wear like a laser contacts they are they are really yeah yeah we can do this thing holy shit those are so natural thank you i really like them and they're fabulous i would never have known they don't have they're not that we were contacts back in the day they were like oh the the kokomon trees ice blue ones or like trixie trixie those like bright blue fucking robot things oh those were scary i like they're super scary do you remember when for no reason sasha colby's just wearing them for like a reunion look you're like what mother mother mother why what's wrong with your eyes um but i i don't feel like those are those are cunt i really like what what color is that hey it's like an icy gray or something damn bitch they they get them they make me get um desio desio is the brand that makes them fda approved probably they're based out of italy who's to say well the contact the contact the lashes oh yes yes yes yes okay because sometimes i'm like i don't know if i believe it i don't know if i believe in it well and then the moment the lashes and the contacts go in i'm like no no no i'm here oh yeah yeah i always believed it absolutely am i gonna match like we're good is there there is nothing worse that i i there is like during the transformation process like for me there is like uh if i'm really not wanting to get into drag and i'm not like if i'm super tired it can i i and i struggle to get to that pussy point and sometimes if i don't ever get there the night is a bust it's a do it if i feel like i had the like true blue like traveling girl nightmare earlier this week where i get to the gig and my suitcase does not and it is the suitcase with my hair and my makeup i have an hour to get ready and i have to use like my out of drag makeup and chanel's makeup for the the vegas gig the the one at piranha which is a marathon of a night and like a hundred person meet and greet and you're like okay now everybody's gonna see me at my fucking worst thankfully ffs really really cool i would recommend that to all the girls i was gonna say everybody get your work done it's not a dog show even without lipstick no i just look like a nice lady like like we didn't take a picture with a nice lady line up like this really tall lady just walked in and now you can meet her for only 50 bucks and we just kind of went with that it was fine it was truly fine nice lady what a nice lady wait nice lady yeah that's a nice lady yeah up next to the stage nice lady um the least the worst part about putting makeup though is multiple light sources when like you're getting like a light source from like the window to the side and all the texture and sins are revealed mary um getting in drag in the morning such as i just did oh really really humble that was a big i don't know about you but for drag race that was a huge i've never done that i had never gotten in drag at 6 a.m fuck it it's terrible it was it was a huge ungodly the nerve the nerves of being there was the only thing that helped wake me up like scraping like shaving the i mean i have a i have a very very heavy beard like oh god it was rotten and but these days like i prefer it because then you're like you can be in bed by eight o'clock i'm just a night person yeah i'm a night person and like i also enjoy drinking when i'm in drag okay and i don't like day drinking very much yeah so it i like everything being later i also like being naked on stage naked during the day is a little trashy it's a little trashy and like that's not me that's not who i am it's a little desperate absolutely i was like come on come on too much so that's not that's not my truth i have to tell you please mary the that first i think it was the first runway i did the pit stop on the first i think it was the first episode of it was it was and then i and then i hung back to like watch the some of the second episode because i was just like i gotta see i gotta see more of this shit that i that look that yes with the flat top in in the fucking the the strip that it was how did that how did that come about i just me and my friend doodle up all of my costume ideas and like we just had little doodling parties and that one was just like randomly floated out last moment i'm just like i don't know like what if the tie is a thong what if the tie is a slingshot and then we just kept on like cleaning that up and going with it and it ended up very like tim burtony and very like nickelodeon and like max headroom kind of came in it was a ton of different references but it wasn't weird and it was i loved it because it wasn't like it it seemed like it was like an amalgamation of a lot of different kind of references that was a it's very much became its own thing like it was so cool i was just like damn that is so fucking cool and it was like and it was had the potential to be not flattering oh absolutely i and you have to like that hair not many people could get away with that hair i love a challenging hair i love a challenging wig absolutely you really have to have like face face for it and um you have to have the confidence you have to go for it you have to go for it and my favorite the comments are like is she wearing a silicone body suit like nope that's all me that that's i want to see her birth certificate yeah i don't i don't know if i'm buying it like you should that's fierce that's the ultimate compliment what about plastique's fucking weird ass fucking um not weird it's not weird it's just bizarre it's not weird it's freaking crazy yeah absolutely that is so wild she wears oh her little corset thing her no her fucking the the prosthetic corset thing the belly the whole whole thing i'm like i know that corset's so fucking tired of her like it's just like it's like a cow that's just like milked dry average like mama needs some new content we're gonna put on the corset that thing is gonna fool the straights again it's so crazy it's cunt i cannot imagine the amount of confused boners that that that pop up from viewing her tiktok oh i'm sure because because she's the most followed person in the world at this point and like it just keeps on working in the fucking nerve of that fucking cunt stolen valor to like stolen valor shit on hormones yeah mary transition chop your legs off chop your legs off chop your dick pin your ears come on get a nose job and make yourself ugly because i have no patience for her to look like the most handsome young clear skin well adjusted bright yanked beautiful yeah beautiful guy and then she does a fucking kick she throws a shoe or whatever the fuck they do on tiktok and then it's all like and then it's like marvel movie magic and then she's like a show like a goddess from like heaven it's like what the pick a lane pick a lane fucking lane i think um crystal versace over in the uk she won like season three or something she's like you should be sacrificing something for drag you should look like a fucking little goblin out of drag or transition those are your two or moves or both or or or just get out of my face absolutely get off social media stop making so much money on tiktok i'm so mad no it's she's so beautiful out and in drag i'm like so nice i love it when the girls look like a like a guitar pick because they're so pumped oh baby and like she like doesn't even have like super pump face she's just put you would never in a million years know that that beautiful young man is is not um third year at law school he's just like you know what i mean he's like that's a he's like yeah he's like what up he i graduated summa cum laude from duke you know full ride and then just goddess i hate him her both of them i don't believe i've ever had the um i don't believe i've ever met her because if i do you would have to beat the shit out of her absolutely it will be it will be she'll have to catch these hands and these shoes and those shoes and heavy shoes do we know what the fiance does oh there's a fiance there's a fiance okay also beautiful and i'm just like we're hoarding the wealth there in a very serious way i sense in a very serial killer yeah there's got to be some kind there's got what's the catch there has to be a huge huge catch it's got to be i don't know that's so that's so frustrating i i i know what you say but the tricks and i joke all the time about is like you got to be a goblin on a drag it's like drag is for goblins it's like the law of like equivalent exchange like you have to be able to give something to get something if you want to be a beautiful woman you look crazy yeah yeah it's well i it's about eyebrows absolutely you know what i mean i i only i shaved my eyebrows for a time and mary oof i did it for a year and i'm like My boyfriend almost broke up with me. He's like, you can't do it. You can't do it anymore, babe. It is. Well, first of all, I quickly realized that eyebrows do serve a very important purpose. They catch sweat. Oh. Yeah. You're a sweaty gal. Oh. Yeah. And the first time I shaved my eyebrows was for a solo show that I did not rehearse with shave eyebrows. And 10 minutes in, all the glitter eyeshadow is running down my face. It's 10 minutes into the show, and I'm flipping out. And so that never happened. And also, I never learned how to draw them on in the correct place. No, and then you look way too cunty going to the bank. It's too much. It's too much. Yeah. During the day, I'm not a person that wants to wear makeup. I mean, this is, I feel like, this is as far as I'll go. But I got microbladed, which was extraordinarily painful. It is. Because it hurts. It's like the little, like, scalpel deal, you know, and they just go, whoosh. They take a scalpel. Whoosh. They slice you. Mm-hmm. They jam ink in it. They do. And then they slice you again, and then jam more ink. It's like a little X-Acto knife. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And it's, like, nonstop, and it goes on forever, and it hurts so bad. But. It looks good. It actually, I do like it a lot. And it makes me, like, able to shave, like, almost half of them and not look like. Oh, you're a nub queen? Yes. Nubs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For the most part, yeah. And also, I don't have, like. I just try to, like, distract people with the mouth. Absolutely. I think, like, a bright red lip, you can get away with some really, really big nonsense. Also, like, I love bangs. I know some drag queens hate bangs. I love bangs. I love bangs. I think they're so feminine and pretty and cute. I love bangs. I love bangs in a pony. Like, I just. I love bangs. Like, I love, like, bangs that almost go down to, like, where you don't even really need the lashes. And then, yeah, it just. Bangs and then a big old fucking red lip. That's all you need. What are you wearing? What's this lip color? The Fenty. The Fenty Lipstunna. Paint in Uncensored. She's my favorite red lip. It's, like, a blue red, which is what I need, because, like, a warm-tone red makes me look crazy, because I'm really, really pale. I. Well, same. I do a blue red. My favorite red of all time is NARS Don't Stop. Okay. Have you ever tried it? I have not. Is it a liquid? It's a liquid. It's a blue red. You will love it. Are you. You will love it. Do you know about the. The lip lacquer moment? The Gaga? The lip lacquer? Uh, no, I don't. What is this? It's, like, a gloss that dries. No, it's a gloss that dries down matte. So, like. Well, that's what this is. That's what this does. Oh, it looks like high shine. No. Okay. I see. Wait, wait. Nothing like that. But, but, but, wait. It's a gloss that dries, but stays glossy. Yes. But it's. So, it's not matte. It's not matte. It looks like you have lip gloss on, but it doesn't transfer. But she just stopped making it, and I want her dead for that. I don't believe. Because apparently she has to. Oh, it's incredible. I think I have, like, a little bit left in my bag. I'll show you after this. You have to show me, because I'm on. The only thing I'm. I think of lip gloss, that horrible shit from MAC. Do you remember lip gloss? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's sticky. It's very shiny, but it comes everywhere. Oh, and God forbid you have one piece of hair that flies into that face. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. It's a wrap. It's a wrap. Gloss is only for, like, photo shoots and updos. That's it. Yeah, yeah. Photo shoot. That's it. Photo shoot. Because, like, you can't eat. The first time you went on Drag Race, what was something that you spent a lot of. Like, was there anything that you focused on in your preparation that you found out later was totally pointless? Ooh. For me, I'm just going to say it was stoning stuff. Stoning does not matter for television. It really doesn't. I wish somebody would have told me. I tell all my friends who are auditioning, like, don't bother. Don't bother, bitch. Sequins. Like, a sequin or, like, a really, like, say-something fabric. Yeah. That's the most. That's the most important move. Yeah. I only had, like, three weeks to get ready my first season, and I had no money. So everything was just kind of, like, let's make sure it all works. Yeah. I worked on a lot of different, like, sewing patterns because I'm not a seamstress. I, like, just wanted to make sure that I could, like, figure out how to do it. None. None. And, in fact, I hope I never have to sew again. I hope I don't. I'm so over it. Like, I don't care. I don't want to. No, I don't. No. I love it when the girls do it. Yeah. Love it when a girl can do it. I have no desire to. And I will not. Well, that's me with hair. Absolutely. That's. I don't ever. I can do human hair. Synthetic. I'm never going to learn. I don't want to. Nope. I have no interest. If Fina's not around, if somebody's not around, I will go out with a loaf on my head. Boom. See, that's. But that's cunt, though. Thank you. It's like a $12 wig from Amazon. A little Amazon anime wig. And you just ball it up. Absolutely. But yours is human. Yours is. It is human. And look at these roots. Aren't they convincing? I am obsessed to have four of these at home. At home. Yeah. Can I make a confession? Please. I put this on. I wet it. I put on a weird, sexy outfit, and I work out at home in front of the mirror. Oh, I love that. I love that. I did it with the shoes today. That's a very American psycho. Such a crossy. Such a crossy. We need to bring crossies back to Drag Race. Well. Crossy culture needs to come back. So here's what we have to do, and you need to co-sign this, and you really need to get on the ground floor, because it's going to take a lot of. It's going to take a lot of time. Gwen, Chrissy, Lauren, Beth, Diane, with two Ns. Okay. Like, we need to get the girls in the kitchen with the selfie sticks, the brown, flat hair. We need to go. We need to reset. We need to take drag off of the stage. We need to take the stage out of people's hands. We need to bring it back to, like, doing it, because it turns you on. Yeah. If you're not chubbed on the main stage, you're out of here. Absolutely. And they're going to check. RuPaul's going to check for you. Gender-affirming massage. Exactly. Exactly. But, like, I have been asked. I mean, I'm not bragging. I swear to God. But, like, I have been asked over the years if I'd do, like, another All-Star season, and I'm like, dude, no. I could never even dream of sourcing even, never mind making, sourcing an outfit that's even anywhere near the level of production. What do you ever call it? The level of quality that everybody's wearing. I would get that list and kill myself. Well, we all kind of want to do that, too, like, when we get the list. It's just fucking. How is that. What did you do? What was the. Like, did you scramble? Were you anxious? Like, what was the process? Who did you call? Everybody. The thing is, like, designers are so hard to work with right now. Like, there's so many seasons happening concurrently, so every designer is just like. You got a waiting list. Yep. Waiting list. They're all just, like, tired. They're picked over. They don't want to do it anymore. So, it's like. Yeah. You're, like, bartering and you're begging. You're like, please, please, I can't sew. Take care of me. It was nice for this season because we only had to worry about, like, three runways at a time, which was fabulous. What does that mean? The bracket situation. What the fuck was this? Did you like this bracket? No, not really. Not really. I. Oh, brackets. This ain't March Madness. It was kind of nice for that reason where I'm like, I only have to prep three runways. Yeah. That's cool. I only have to make sure that I do good for three episodes at a time. But it's so much work and so much money. And I'm like. I'm only on TV for six episodes. I was going to say, Mama, we need to see more of Miss Bosco. I would love to see more. Why would you deprive the world of so much hard, hard boners? Absolutely. Painfully hard boners. Like, hanging with one hand from a cliff off these boners, they're so hard. Like, sliding down the hill and then grabbing with one hand on that boner. One finely manicured hand. Because Bosco's right there. Absolutely. I think that's beautiful. Yeah. I think it worked out because I didn't have to do as much TV as a regular season. My what? Oh, baby. Let's look at some pornography. Now, we got to be extra descriptive for the people on the 405, the 110, and the 2. Okay. This was. Okay. So, I don't know if. We can probably. Yeah, we'll put it in post. This is when I knew you were that bitch. You sent me a message after seeing that. You're like. I'm so sorry for what you're about to see. I'm going to get really weird here in a second. And I just want to give you a heads up. Girl. Because I mean, like, a week before the bit stopped, like, aired, I'm like, oh? Poor Joe. The producer was like, you need to shut the fuck up. Joe talked to me as well. He's like, please, shut up. You need to see what Katya was doing on this episode. Double fisting her boner is what she was doing. She was, as every other person who was viewing it, they were stroking it. Had to. Just kidding. Had to. This is just. This is just. I love it so much because, like I said, it's just. It's so clean. It's so interesting. It's so unique. I can't really. It doesn't make me think of another queen. I love that. You know what I mean? Which is hard these days. At this point, it's impossible. The only queen I think who could ever get away with something similar was maybe Detox. Oh! What a great queen to be. And she's got taste. She has the taste. That bitch has fucking taste. She's got taste. And this. Mary, this Elvira. Was this when. When did RuPaul say, I hate you? Oh, that was with the other. A few times. With the Marilyn. With the. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. That is the ultimate compliment. It felt incredible. Didn't it? I'm like, yes. And then I'm gonna, like, rub your face in it. Thanks, Dad. Like, I. She's. I love Ru. I do. I love Ru. I think she's so cool. I do, too. She really is. And her fucking. We were talking. Me and Bob were talking. I don't know. We were talking about her Instagram earlier. My God. Have you been. Have you been catching up with Ru's Instagram? Oh, her, like, video content? She's incredible. - She's having a renaissance. - How is she so good at so many things? - I think she's sober. so yeah and uh extraordinarily wealthy yeah very very wealthy very talented oh bitch this one how the fuck tits and slits this by the way when i saw that runway i'm like well i think i got oh no what am i gonna do i would have that's when i would have took the gun and i would have killed myself this was so and again it's like how so how did you come up with that what was the thought process was this the first like walk me through it absolutely absolutely i i like having like a little like a like weirdness and like horror to the like touch of things so like i wanted something zipper-esque with like that feels like slits to me sure not expected way to go with it and then i really want to do something that was like birth of venus um the like mugler venus dress yeah yeah okay and this is kind of where we ended up going we're like wait what if we take it into a different color what if it's like um a motocross jacket what what what are the different details that we can do to like take it to a place that we haven't seen yet yeah because unfortunately plastique had just done um her version of the same silhouette the moment i like got to studio with this like her episode aired of her wearing it too she was just wearing a white um just a little pearl white thing it was beautiful and incredible it was it was a it was essentially the same silhouette but in white and covered in pearls mine was better this is the last thing i'll say about plastique is that every time when i saw her runway i was like why doesn't everybody just quit yeah why does it why does everybody why does anybody have a job why does anybody have a job why is anybody still breathing when she walks out of the runway i was like you're kidding she was doing a different show she was she was on a different program i don't know and it's no shade to other girls it's just she's like movie budget marvel marvel budget behind all of her runways the plastique cinematic universe was on the runway and then she did like all the like the video content of the looks where it's like full cgi she was the reason why cameron directs her she was the reason why i'm like i'm not gonna do a fucking shoot of any nature for these things it's like what am i gonna do there's no competing with also also i i get i am so tickled by all the effort people do mama there's hd screen grabs on the show i'm not gonna do it on my instagram just look at the show exactly i'm like you know they're doing full-on video of what you just saw so i'm gonna post that again yeah enjoy it's it's in hd you could just screen grab it i got a big tv okay um but this was so kind and again it's like i just love that it's not it's got such a point of view it's like it's unique it's like it's a little bit grotesque it's also super sexy it's fucking kind thank you who the fuck is this her name is lauren she um lauren lauren yeah lauren desire lauren desire with a y yeah um she was my makeover partner um she's also six seven so i felt so fucking good yeah you're like i'm just a little girl i'm a tiny little girl i'm just trying to get into high school i don't know this one now what the fuck is going on here because like a full disclosure i may have not i may not have caught every single second of the of the of the season what that's so shocking i know you've seen every single episode are you kidding me you're doing like the recap so you were really really dialed in what in the mother you're like please explain yourself no i won't your honor exhibit a you gotta um so the the the task was to come out in a suit and ended in a dress um and that's what i did i love it i don't care you can't tell me shit i'm tired of having to do sexy every single time okay so we got weird okay okay and i think that's acceptable and allowed and the shoes you can't really see in that picture the weird incredible and you know what happened when i walked out what happened michelle said i love it so i don't need anything from anybody else you know why because it was different yeah and she really you will walk out with your titties out on the first episode she'll be like what else do you have yeah like show me something else it's so funny um i'm gonna be honest with you i know you don't like it i can tell i fucking hate it perfect and i'm only gonna say that because the everything else about you is perfect so i'm glad to see a little vulnerability absolutely we have to keep it relatable we have to keep it um there has to be highs and lows says the ball bitch with a mushroom fucking thing on her head and and and oh now see let's talk now we're back okay we're so bad let's get the stroke and lotion out again so this is the only one i'm sexy girls can't be weird anymore this can't be freaking freaky i know you can't just they want to paint you in a box they just stroke it no one stroke it they won't stroke the box yeah um so this was promo now oh god it's so funny to look back about our promos both of my promos were the worst promos ever on the history of the show and i your part it's not just like the no no but my yeah it's me and also the the the shoot the vibe the whole concept i liked all stars too mary first of all we never had a promo we never had a promo there was no commercial then i was wearing some the promo was like royalty queens i was wearing some boo boo fucking you want to know what my promo was orange that was my prompt honey so i think royalty sounds cool oh yeah it sounds cool when you have when you'd have a commercial we didn't have a commercial this is orange i remember people like pawing at the crown i remember like little close-ups i remember a video commercial they were gifts mama those were gifts okay i don't we didn't get we didn't they went from season well season seven was a flop but they went from season six again marvel cinematic universe james cameron came in directed that promo still probably the best promo of panthers i mean it was everybody was so cunt so well lit you couldn't tell who was a booger no everybody looked flawless and everybody had their own like little tableau their little setup oh bianca's yeah like tearing courtney and darian with the um with the jack jackhammers um uh laganja behind the blinds it was like cunt so cunt and then you got american apparel for baby baby they're like just wear your best denim girls you have a white we got the cut off shirt they literally said this so the the the like this is probably going to be the last season based on what just what we just saw so we're not going to spend any money on it i think we probably should probably cut it off no i i remember that talking with the marketing people and the stylists and all this shit before we got there like yeah so we're going to do like this really like terry richardson like polaroid kind and then my eyes started to glaze over and i started to grab the razor just like my wrist i was it was like oh okay yeah flat white polaroid drag definitely definitely that's what i get into that's definitely gonna there's like an outlet still on the wall next to your picture they haven't fucking like airbrushed that out for you it was it was it had the potential like the commercial itself for season seven was cunty the concept the execution rue had the nerve to look incredible she really did she looked really that side pony and the legs and the the the slash dress she looked cunt we all looked like the cat's ass it was really nice um to follow up season six's promo with that wherever you can like you can't tell who's bad at drag and for yours i couldn't tell you who was gonna do a good job tricksy didn't have one line tricksy and kennedy did not say one word in the whole promo perfect i think tricksy did this and then and kennedy did like this like or something i don't know it was it was it was horrendous and then all stars two was another slap in the face because we didn't know at the time that it was going to be i i mean i i think all-stars two is so cunt and but but we didn't know that it was going to be so cunt and we didn't know that because all-stars one was so bad sure you know and like so we didn't really know what we're getting into um we thought we're gonna do teams and all that crap and but it ended up turning out great but like this is a promo thank you this is a fucking promo and this is to make orange feathers work yeah why don't you work for the un why aren't you like in syria right now i'm gonna like so start brokering in the middle east seriously why aren't you in lebanon right now like a quelling seriously oh this was the look for the people in the 405 i'm so sorry you'll just have to pull over and look at the image um this was when she said i hate you she sure did and that oh i just i just love this look so much that hair morgan mcmichael's husband hassan best hair really best hair really he did the majority of my hair for the season get out of here so good synthetic yes yeah absolutely love a loaf because i mean you could just spray it and forget it um in the i love hair that looks like hair i'm tired of it i'm tired of it i'm tired of it i'm tired of it the hot wheels hair i don't want to see like the like encrusted little like tracks that the hot wheels can be on i don't need it anymore i need hair that looks like hair so i'm that way too like i want to look like a girl call me old fashion call me old fashion but in my day putting foots in your mouth nina west bullshit no like i would i i know i agree like i i just love like i i just like looking like a girl yes or a woman at 43 um no just a little girl you're weird about it it's fine no i really but i really feel like i really feel like a girl when i'm in jag and i'm like how old is the little girl that you feel like no not little like but i feel like i feel like a 30 year old girl okay you know what i mean like like i'm doing my post back in france or something i took some years off okay you know what i mean i'm doing something i'm in grad school gorgeous um so talk to me about this burlesque number talk to me about did you fucking lipstick against ginger i did lip sync against ginger um to fucking pink I love pink. See, I said that and they didn't keep it in. The pink industrial complex is large and looming. Absolutely, absolutely. Big pink. Big pink. RuPaul is in the pockets of big pink right now. She's in the clutches of big pink. We need her to get into big brown, but she won't do it. Nope, nope, not anymore. Not anymore. I can't. I stand that song. I hate that song so much. Mama, it's a bar mitzvah song. It's a state fair song. It's like that is the song that's playing as you're on the zipper. Yes, and also when they're giving the blue ribbon to the biggest pig in the- Oh, absolutely. The pregnant cow is giving birth and they have to alert the entire state fair. Raise your glass. Raise your glass and moonshine, you fucking hicks. I can't stand that song. It's such- And it was so funny in that moment because they do the whole little raffle thing of like, we get to find out who's going to pick the ball. I'm like, the moment they say Ginger, she barely lets them finish saying, Ginger, what song? Pink. I'm like, yeah. Yeah, of course it is. So, you lost. I sure did. I sure did. But you know what, though? So did I. And guess what? It seems to be working pretty well for you. It's always, I'd rather have a hundred people say you were robbed than, I don't know. One person would be like, you shouldn't have won. Yeah. I mean, I don't think they tell. I don't think- Oh, they- I'm like, I've seen a few people tell. I hate, I, it did, I have heard and I have witnessed and I've been told that way back in the day, like- In Alaska, we got some really rude stuff and it made me so mad because she absolutely killed All Stars 2. Like, like, there's no doubt. She was truly incredible. There's no doubt. She fucking, she, she shat, she took, she took off her diaper, she spread those fucking bony cheeks and she shat on that whole season. Absolutely. She killed it. And so to like, to say that like, she robbed anybody, girl, get it over yourself. Get a, like, you can like someone more than another person. Absolutely, you'd be like upset that you're like, um, horse in the race didn't win. Yeah, but- But you can't even be like, oh, well that horse who did well at every single thing that was put in front of them doesn't deserve the crown. Yeah. Like, girl. Or, but the, the, the girl with the cross-eyed, the cross-eyed girl with the nice heart. Absolutely. She should, she does- That horse has a good heart. Yeah. You know, the one with the bum leg in the, in the, in the, in the, in the mange. Just like one, one hoof in the glue factory. Like, it's, it's not America's next nice superstar drag, whatever. No. You know, it's like, whatever. So, yeah. I mean, do people, do you get that in a meet and greet? First of all, do you like doing meet and greets? No. Uh, Bosco will be appearing tonight and, uh, you don't. I sure don't. I sure don't. You don't like, you don't like meeting and greeting the legions of your adoring fans? The ones who are stroking it to you behind their television sets? I know. I feel like such a dickwad because I'm just like- No, it's weird. It's weird. It's weird. I love meeting people and I love being able to, like, take in all of the compliments and gifts that people want to give me. It's all great. I just also, I'm not, like, a people person where being around people gives me energy. I'm not, like, a person that, like, that kind of charges me. I charge myself by being alone. Yeah, same. And, like, being by myself. So, I have to, like, pour into other people. And so, a meet and greet just feels like I'm pouring a lot. And they deserve it and they should have that because they are really, really fabulous and nice people and they really like me and they're very excited. And they're paying money. So, like, you gotta. Um, I, I prefer being on the phone. I prefer being on stage. But I think a meet and greet is also something that, um, is in my contract. So, I will be doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, it's, but I agree. It's, it's, it's such a weird, it's such a strange, stupid thing to complain about. It's the worst to complain about. Like, oh, I don't want to stand around for an hour and get compliments and money. Like, okay, girl. Wait, a hundred people have to give me gifts to tell me I'm their favorite person in the world? Like, what? Like, no, but. I, like, tell my boyfriend. He's like, I work in oncology. Yeah, yeah. Like, I dealt with, like, five people who are dying this week. I'm a pediatric oncologist. So, it sounds like I have it a lot worse than you, huh, babe? Yeah. I work in a mine, you bitch. Exactly. I have a fucking black lung. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's, it is, I, there was a point where actually I liked doing the meet and greet more than the show. Okay, tell me about this. Well, because I, like, I, I use drag race to come out of my show. Like, I was, like, very, very much an introvert, shy, like, and didn't, afraid of everybody. But then, like, you know, it's always funny. I mean, when people say, like. Don't care about what anybody else thinks of you. I think. What planet are they on? I think they're on planet sociopath. Absolutely. I, I, I, you shouldn't, like, get hung up on, on everything, like, on comments or whatever from people you've never met. But, like, what people think of you is quite important, actually. Also, when you're a public-facing person and, like, you're, the other people's opinion of you is the reason why you get to work. You kind of have to care a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to care a little bit. I mean, sometimes people get crazy and they, and they, they. And they sling shit out of nowhere. They don't know you. It's, like, vendetta, whatever. But, like, I mean, I remember I followed Trixie around, on a, the country for, like, a while and every, every show director would be, like, what's wrong with your sister? Because she was, like, because she was not, like, she wasn't super warm. Like, I'm, I'm, like, the opposite. I'm, like, ha, blah, blah, you know, like, and very, very warm. But, like, she's just, like, kind of, she just gets, she's a dude. She's just a dude. She's, like, hey, what's up? And she just treats everybody, like. And they're the same. She's not a bitch, but she's just not, like, effusively warm and all this crap. It's always, it's just funny to me. What is the worst show you've ever done? Ooh. After, post-Drag Race. Post-Drag Race. There is a nightclub that is not too far away from here where the guy will ask you to just do a gig. And then you come in and you're finding that you're hosting the competition night. And there's an entire script that you have to. Follow and do. This guy is also some sort of, like, undetermined age. Just roided out of his brain. Gives you, like, a little, like, locker room to change in. And also refers to you as he while you're in drag the entire night. And I did that gig once on my first year, the first lap that I did. And it is the only time that I've ever said, do not book me there ever again. Because not only are you doing the scripted thing, if he doesn't like how you're doing it, he'll just voice it over. Over. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. We are going to. I can't stand. We are going to. We are going to bleep that. But baby. Oh, my God. Do I know who you are talking about? The worst gig in the world. Baby, let me tell you. Honey, and if you don't have breakfast with him the next day, one day, one day, I decided not to, because it's not that far away from here. Fame changed you. Of course. Fame has changed you. I'm a monster now. Exactly. No, I just. Out of reach. Out of reach. Out of reach. I decided not to get put up at the hotel. And which meant that I was not at his beck and call for hanging out. I was running. I was running 10 minutes late to the show. Oh, you better believe you started the show without me. And we did not. And then. And then. The one with your face on the poster. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then got on the mic and said, Katya will be meeting every single person tonight free of charge. No. And then I. Then I was trapped doing a meeting for about 450 fucking people till three in the morning. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I hate his guts. Yeah. Yeah. Like, not. I don't. I don't think he's a good person. He's crazy. He is crazy. Maybe, like, I can't, like, judge his morality because he's just insane. No. That was. Also, anybody who refers to their drag queens as he when they're in drag, that is my red flag. No, that's. That's so scary. And that's intentional because when you work with drag queens as much as that person does, that is a dig. It feels like it. Yeah. Unless. Although, there's something. Like, Vegas. Vegas, for whatever reason, is very about female illusion. So, sometimes. Oh, like. Like, the older girls will be. Like, Rick Marino. Or not Rick Marino. Is that his name? Yeah. Chad Michaels. Derek Barry. Right. It's a thing. Kenny Kerr. Like, it's very, like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is kind of, like, an old-fashioned way of doing it because, like, they are boys and you need to acknowledge them as boys when they're not on stage because this is their craft. But that is obviously not what I'm going for. And not what you. There is nobody. Anybody with half an eye. Half an eye and a little bit of gray mask. If you had her up in their head, would see you and be like, puss. Well, this was also before some surges. So, there was a lot more jawline in that moment in time. Was there lipstick? Were there lashes? Yes. Were there wigs and jewelry? Get a grip. Get a grip. It is the one time I'm like, you can't have me back there. Let's do some rapid fire. We are going to film a porn later. So, we'll just. Okay, perfect. Shoes stay on. I'm greased. I got the shoes. Let's see. Here we go. Okay, Bosco. Yes, go. I did also tweet out some. If you want to. Take a peek at my Twitter. They're probably. I glance at them outside. They're all horrible. They're always weird. Like, how big are your boobs? Or like, can you be my mom? Can you be my mom? How do you do it? Oh, my God. Okay. First of all. So, Bosco. Okay. How dare you? All right. Okay. That was the first question. Okay. Okay. Can I answer that? Please. I have to. It's a moral imperative. Absolutely. It's my job. I can't not. What were your. What were your initial thoughts on the tournament twist on All-Stars? Oh. I enjoyed the lack of resources that it would take to do three episodes rather than an entire season at a time. Sports are really confusing to me. So, I had to, like, see it in order to understand it. It ended up being fine. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I think we already covered this a little bit. Do you think we should bring back mall drag? Yes. Yes. We need a reset. Absolutely. Oh. Can I tell you something that Nicole Page Brooks said that changed my life? Yes. Are you calling her a mall drag artiste? Yes. Yes. Yes. you've seen we have eyes I have eyes that can see and a heart that can feel that's exactly what I'm calling calling her. And she's one of the coolest people I've ever met. I was sitting next to her in a bus. We were doing press. Irene was sitting next to me and Irene's partner was there all dressed up. She looks over at Irene's partner. You look good tonight. All my sissies are getting whammed up tonight too. Whammed up tonight. Oh, I love that. So I wake up out of a dead sleep every morning. I'm getting whammed up tonight. It's changed everything for me. Whammed up. Lauren Desire is getting whammed up. She's putting on her mother of pearl toe buckles. Oh yeah, you want to taste this tape, Rezzy? She's got that extra long selfie stick in the kitchen and she's whammed. Oh, call me George Michaels because I'm fucking whammed. Oh, the whispers, they're careless. But you gotta have faith. Okay, alright. Do you still find being attracted to Twinks a character flaw? Yes. Yes, I sure do. I think Twinks are a blight among on humanity. They need to be stopped. There is always a better option. I, for one, Not even the Twinks want the Twinks. Read the room. The Twinks aren't fucking each other. Thank you. Thank you. They're waiting. They're waiting until they can be boyfriend twins. Doppelbangers? Doppelbangers. Doppelbangers. Wham it up. Okay. I have always loathed the term Twink. I don't care for these stupid characterizations of gay players, bears, all that crap. But, like, Twink, that word to me is disgusting. Like, it just, ugh. It's not something that inspires sexual feelings to me. No, and, like, I feel like Twinks also have to, like, pick a lane at a certain point. Like, you either, like, die a Twink or live long enough to see yourself transition, or whatever Batman said. I mean, yeah. And, like, you just have to, like, where are we going with this? I know. Ask Courtney Act. What are we doing? It's Twink to Twunk to now pick something else, Mary. You're 43. She is really buff, though, which I think is a good route. She's buff, and also she has perfect skin. And she's got that good turkey hairline. Just machine-punched. But she does. I mean, she's the I'm the bizarro version of her. I made all the. You're her Wario? She's the Mario, and you're her Wario. Are you her tether? Uh, yeah. I'm just the evil version of her. I made all the wrong decisions. She made all the right ones. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, we're twins, but I'm the dark one. Exactly. Like, in us, when it's the tether, like, she's raised in the light of Australia, and you were raised in the darkness of Boston. It's like the Wario, or whatever, the bizarro version of Superman, whatever the fuck it is. What's it like to be brave? Um, kind of overwhelming, but, like, somebody has to do it. And you do it with. And, like, I feel like there's an obligation. Yeah. And you do it with grace and a plume. What's your current vocal stem, if you have any? Oh, getting whammed up tonight. Absolutely. We're getting whammed up tonight at every moment. And the other, like, nugget that she left me with is, like, we were talking about blowjobs. She's like, you want to taste this tape resi. Short for tape residue. So. Blowing chunks on the 405, all of our listeners. Oh, that. Oh, that resi. Yes. You said bring back Maldrag, and she is. You need to take the good with the bad. But I don't think Lauren Desai is taping up her thing. No, she's letting it hang. She's got, like, Fruit of the Loom underpants on her underneath that little sundress. Okay. What is the worst humiliation ritual doing Snatch Game or lip-syncing to Pocketbook featuring Ludacris by Jennifer Hudson? Oof. Oof. The thing is. What did you do for Snatch Game? I did Kenny Kerr, who is like a Vegas impersonator. So I just used it as, like, a way to do four different bad impersonations. Gotcha. Because I can't really do any of them. I hate Snatch Game. I hate it. It's terrible. It's very difficult. Mary, they just need to let it go. They sure do. They sure do. Not even the girls who are, like, good at it. Can, like, do it in a way that people want to see anymore. Because all the good characters have been done, and nobody does impersonations in their acts anymore. So we're just learning it for one particular moment of television. Yes. And it just is not interesting. And it's not. And RuPaul hates it. RuPaul hates doing it. And also, like, I am sick and tired of seeing drag queens fail when there are so many other ways that they can succeed on that show. And, like, they're so talented. Why are we having them do the thing that, like, nobody is particularly good at? Nobody's an improv expert and an illusionist on Drag Race anymore. No, because, like, Celebrity Illusion is no longer a thing that, like, people do for their money. No. It's a very few, I mean, it's an extremely honed comedic skill that takes years and years and years. To improv like that on the spot in a character is, like, so hard. Like, improv alone. I'm pretty good at improv. I can improv as myself. Sure. That's fine. And even that is stressful, though. Absolutely. And sometimes that backfires, let alone doing a silly voice. The Snatch Game sucks. Um, I have no business doing a song where the lyrics are I'm gonna hit you with my pocketbook. Mm-hmm. Um, and then I don't understand why we had two white ladies from the Northwest doing that song either. Girl. Well. Um, so we all, we all suffered the consequences for that choice. Drag Race girls do love a black scent, I'll tell you that much. They sure do. Okay. Um, a question from my lesbian producer. What are the names of your cats? Aw. Um, Tegan and Sarah. No, I'm just kidding. Katie and Ellen. Katie and Ellen. Portia and Ellen. Katie and Melissa. Toby and Tito. Toby and Tito, my little boys. Yes. And, um, do you think being raised Catholic caused you to convert to being trans? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. The Pope. The Pope. Um, my childhood pastor was also found in possession of child pornography. Oh. Yes. And I was an altar boy. Oh. You're jumping ahead. But no, um, um, his name was Father Lou. Just called him Daddy. Father Lou? Father Lou. Father Lou. Father Lou is kind of fun though. Oh, thank you. Um, but yeah, um, nothing ever happened there, and I think that's where the self-esteem issue started. So, that's kind of where we all ended up. Well, I mean, if you grew up Catholic, I grew up Catholic, and I'm still trying to unpack body stuff. You clearly have, I think, I feel that you have, you've got that shit on lock. Absolutely. We're figuring it out. No shame in that game. I don't know. I, um, had to go to private school, had to go to church like, like twice a week. Horrible. For years and years and years. And I was like, pretty atheist by the time I was like 12 or 13. So, like, we've already kind of done that whole song and dance. Like, still impacts things. We still have all that guilt hanging out there, not doing much, but. Were you confirmed? Yep. What was your confirmation name, if you don't mind me asking? I literally don't even remember. Fierce. Do you? I resisted it. I was a Satanist at that point. Sickening. And my brother and sister both yielded. I was unyielding as the only thing, the only bratty part of my childhood that I'm actually proud of, because I was like, God, what are you talking about? That doesn't make any fucking sense. They couldn't answer the question. And I was like, oh, I guess I'm right. And it was like, so sanctimonious. What made you move to Seattle? To not be in Montana, primarily. Jesus. I know. Montana's rough. Montana's not the cultural hub of the United States? No, it's not the Mecca of the West, by any means. Or a lovely paradise for trans folks. No. No, not particularly, actually. Damn. I really needed to get out of Montana. I wanted to see, I had some cousins in Seattle. I was a originally going to use Seattle as like a jumping off point and like see if I wanted to do L.A. or New York. And then I just fell in love with Seattle. It's beautiful. It's my favorite city. I've seen so many at this point. It still is at the top. Also, it's close to Vancouver, which is lovely. Also lovely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We are going to wrap it up. I want to ask you one last thing. Please. What is a sound that you love? A sound that I love? Ooh. I like this. Jewelry jangles. I love it. I love the sound of bangles. Okay. I love a bangle. Okay. This is really good for me. Okay. How do you feel about that? I love it. Okay, great. What is the sound that you hate? Oh. I don't know if I hate it, but it's always, it's the sound of a girl taking her wig off and it's like Damn. Okay. That's the sound of womanhood. Okay. When they were like taking the lace. Exactly. When you hear the toupee tape just like giving, you're like, oh yeah. Lauren Desires. Lauren Desires. No longer desires. The tape resi and her like Velcro hairline. Machine punched. What is your favorite curse word? Oh. It's pretty boring, but like probably cunt. Cunt. Love cunt. It's great. That's a popular one. It's a really good one. It just has like a lot of oomph. Okay. Last question. If heaven exists, what would you like God to say to you as you arrive at the pearly gates? Amy Winehouse is over there. Go say hi. Okay. Cheers. Cheers. Thank you so much, Bosco. Of course. Thank you so much. High five. Oh, this was so wonderful. This is a delight. You remain I think I could say with total confidence no shade to our previous guests that you are the sexiest, most beautiful guest on our show to date. Thank you. Thank you. Everybody else, you're dogs. You're dogs. Oh my God. I just have to say out of all the opportunities I've had, this is by far the most recent. And I just want to thank you so much. Consider that stolen. Oh, bitch. That's how I do. That's my fucking club thing. I say it at every club. This was by far the most recent. Oh, I really fucking go in for it. Oh, I love. I live. I love. I love. Oh, Dina Martina has one that I stole that's so fucking funny. It's, um, I know that there's a lot going on right now. And there's a lot of things that keep me up late at night. And I just want to share something with all of you that's giving me a lot of strength. And that is that I have merchandise available to purchase on my website at thisisbosco.com. She did it with her album. them but like the wig stock the rose the best literally just like a single stanza of the rose best memoirs of the thyroid or something and that was the best drag performance that's ever been done I swear to god brilliant have you seen her on Christmas show I did yes I've never seen her live though I'm dying to but if you google Dina Martina wig stock the rose and your life will change forever alright thank you bye bye bye

Podcast Summary

Key Points:

  1. Mary Bosco shares her personal experiences and insights on drag performance, including elaborate makeup, costume design, and the physical and emotional challenges of being in drag.
  2. She discusses the importance of gender-affirming practices and critiques the inconsistent treatment of trans women in public spaces, emphasizing the need for equality and dignity.
  3. Bosco highlights the evolution of drag culture, particularly how drag queens have expanded beyond traditional gender binaries and embraced more inclusive, expressive identities.
  4. She recounts memorable moments from her drag career, such as a viral runway look with a unique, horror-inspired design that stood out for its originality and audacity.
  5. She criticizes the oversimplification of drag as a "boy/girl" performance and argues that drag should be celebrated for its complexity, authenticity, and artistic freedom.
  6. Bosco reflects on the challenges of live performance, including technical issues, lack of preparation, and the stress of public scrutiny, while expressing a deep appreciation for the artistry involved.
  7. She expresses strong opinions on drag culture’s social dynamics, including criticism of “Twinks” and calls for more authentic, diverse representations of gender and identity.
  8. She advocates for a cultural reset in drag, urging the industry to move beyond spectacle and embrace vulnerability, inclusivity, and genuine self-expression.

Summary:

Mary Bosco offers a candid, deeply personal reflection on her journey in drag, blending humor, vulnerability, and sharp social commentary. She discusses the meticulous preparation required for stage performances, from makeup and wigs to costumes and lighting, highlighting both the creative joy and physical discomfort involved. A central theme is her advocacy for gender-affirming spaces and practices, criticizing how trans women face disproportionate scrutiny and restrictions compared to cisgender performers.

She critiques the rigid gender binaries often imposed on drag, arguing that the art form should embrace fluidity, diversity, and authenticity. Bosco shares memorable moments from her career, including a standout runway look with a bizarre, horror-inspired design that challenged norms and drew strong reactions. She also reflects on the emotional toll of public performance, from anxiety during rehearsals to the stress of meet-and-greets and audience scrutiny.

Her critique extends to drag culture’s current state, where she feels oversimplified and commercialized, and calls for a cultural reset—prioritizing inclusivity, vulnerability, and authentic self-expression over spectacle or gendered stereotypes. She challenges outdated tropes, such as the “Twink” label, and champions more nuanced, empowering representations of identity. Ultimately, Bosco presents drag not as a gendered performance, but as a dynamic, evolving form of self-expression that demands respect, dignity, and space to grow.

FAQs

Key challenges include managing makeup and hair, dealing with last-minute changes, and the physical discomfort of wearing elaborate costumes. For example, Mary has mentioned struggles with getting into the 'pussy point' during a transformation, especially when tired or short on time.

Performers often experience a shift in identity during drag, where they embrace a more expressive, bold, and sometimes exaggerated version of themselves. This contrasts with daily life, where they may remain more reserved or in a 'normal' state, especially when outside of performance settings.

Gender-affirming massage is seen as a valid and affirming practice for trans women and gender-diverse individuals. However, Mary notes that it's often misunderstood or misapplied, and that regulations around such practices can vary by state, sometimes creating unnecessary barriers.

Popular choices include bold red lip color (like Fenty Lipstunna or NARS Don't Stop), microbladed eyebrows, and bangs that add a feminine touch. Mary also highlights the use of synthetic wigs and adhesive tape to secure wigs and accessories.

Performers often downplay criticism, especially when it comes from biased or ignorant audiences. Mary notes that some of the most intense reactions come from people who don't understand or accept drag as a legitimate form of self-expression.

Drag serves as a powerful form of visibility and empowerment, allowing trans and non-binary individuals to express themselves openly. It challenges societal norms and provides a platform for self-affirmation, especially in communities where gender expression is marginalized.

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