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Bonus #202 - McDade's Maniacs Vol. 15 w/ Andrew Manning [PATREON PREVIEW]

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Bonus #202 - McDade's Maniacs Vol. 15 w/ Andrew Manning [PATREON PREVIEW]

The speaker discusses a personal conversation about considering a one-time encounter with sex workers in Asia, driven by curiosity and a desire for novelty. While the partner appears open-minded, the speaker strongly warns against it due to serious psychological, moral, and emotional risks. Concerns include guilt, addiction, potential exploitation, and the possibility of deepening relationship issues. The conversation contrasts consensual, regulated sex work with potentially trafficked or coerced labor, emphasizing the ethical dangers. The speaker notes that such a step would be inconsistent with the values of a stable, long-term relationship and might signal deeper relationship or personal misalignment. He draws on personal anecdotes and cultural awareness to argue that the experience could lead to long-term harm and emotional instability. Ultimately, the speaker concludes that the individual lacks the emotional resilience for such a venture and strongly advises against it, recommending a path of integrity, respect, and emotional security instead.

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hey there a long time first time i called last night but i'm doing this again making it more concise so i want to open you guys never have to tell us that i love my fiance very much we've been together for quite a while and are planning on getting married within the year um we're like perfect opposites and so our relationship has really not had many road bumps over all the years so it's good very very uh grateful for it and so recently i went uh to a certain country in asia and uh was kind of confronted with some fun opportunities to potentially engage with sex workers um obviously i did not you were confronted but when i came home oh did you say you didn't say all right was like why didn't you that would have been so fun you should have done that um now this is a place that i often visit to work and why you're a sex trafficker it's israel uh some new real estate just yeah yeah yeah he's with the kushner group they're going over to fucking thailand vietnam they're like all right wow it's just tough we have to keep flying in the children to israel what if we or the whatever the new the maybe that's what they're doing in albania elders they're doing epstein's island too no i don't think they would ever condone anything like that well not the people the people i will say the proud people of albania minus elders have won me over with their destroying of the fucking bulldozers it's pretty awesome yeah that is sick the greeks would fucking never yeah first of all yes they would the greeks the greeks would trick the kushners into thinking we have a deal steal their money and then fuck their asses but we but yeah we've the greeks have never been victims of financial crimes they never fell for it i mean it's so funny that as a country we basically signed up for a payday loan and it completely ruined our economy for fucking for like you know 40 years i saw a commercial with mr t yeah oh with this we borrow the money we need now and you know great you know we pay it back and no problem um so shout out to the double eagle but uh okay so this guy says he travels to thailand i mean clearly it's gotta be thailand or um uh fuck where else what's the other one singapore singapore no is it singapore i feel like they don't play around in singapore they wouldn't have isn't there isn't there one other weird i just feel like there's another thailand is the classic one anyway i don't know yeah it doesn't all have fun until a dictatorship comes in and then yeah yeah yeah yeah knock it off like just for us yeah uh anyway the sex slaves are just for us okay so this guy goes to you know goes to some country with sex workers uh in um in asia and his his girl was like why didn't you which maybe she's a complete freak which exists i do know some fucking awesome like i've had some awesome friends over the years who would definitely be into like girls girls who are fucking freaks that would like to fuck around and might even find it awesome that you they like to do it together or it's a trap or it's a trap and she's trying to see if you would ever do it so who knows let's keep going let's see what else he has to say my gut reaction was well that's very nice of you to say but i would never want you to do the same thing right uh so i feel like i should probably hold myself to that same standard and she was like i don't need to do something like that but if you want to do something like that then you should do it it's like i don't need to pay you know for many guys maybe like uh what you would refer to as like a dream scenario but it's not i guess i'm just uh worried that if i did do something like that that either a after it happened she'd like change of mind or b that i would be wracked with guilt um okay so but then the other flip side is you know maybe this is something that could be a one-time experience right that you know before i get married right what they say about sex workers it's a real one and done it's a real one and done thing when you see it it's awesome when you cross i mean you don't want to cross that rubicon brother also here's the thing the fact that you're even thinking about it this much means you are not built for this the the type of person that could handle this is someone who would normally cheat but they see this as the gentleman's compromise right they see they see it as like i'm fucking whores four time zones away that's i'm a good guy remember that episode of mad men where they they come up with the idea of the executive account for like businessmen to like have a separate bank account oh right this guy's like looking into that right absolutely absolutely my whoring account i have on the side 100 so automatically i don't think this guy is built for this but let's let him finish i suppose it'd be a one-time experience you know before i get married to try something different that i've never done before that's kind of exciting or weird that she seems to be cool with um get a little flavor outside of uh the united states you know anthony bourdain don't try it don't try it tony isn't well it might be out by now who knows but don't drag bourdain into this yeah listen you can go eat any type of fucking noodle you want in singapore but don't fucking fuck lady boys or whatever you're thinking about doing over try pad see you in thailand yeah yeah yeah live a bourdain style i seem to have missed i miss the episode where he ranks the best brothels in vietnam go to the local bar unknown yeah get the cream sauce yeah fuck a lady boy tip heavy yeah dude i don't i mean this is like the whole like yeah i don't know the this is way too you just have some reservations yeah i have many reservations here um i just think this is way too complicated it's it's one of those like we say this when this comes up with threesomes too it's like do you think you can be the type of guy that has threesomes do you think you could be the type of guy and also the one-time thing you can't you want to do something really awesome and strange that also makes you feel bad like this is you are begging to developing you addiction with this the the stakes are so high psychologically you might not ever be able to come unless you know there's fucking bamboo over top of your head it's 98 degrees or whatever from now on also when we're talking about these countries there's the other like some of this is also like you know how pumped are these people to be doing exactly you know what i mean like the whole these whole economies exist like look we're pro sex work here if you know some independent pros that have you know a small business you pay fair wages they're in the union go crazy right i don't give a fuck uh but we're talking about possibly if not either implicitly or explicitly trafficked people here like or they just have no other options in some of these places where i'm like would this even be like an awesome it feels like it would be a place where you go in and you like slide a few bot under the under the gate like the bars right someone behind a counter before you even get buzzed in well it's just like you just see a lady fucking mopping and you're like hey i'll give you four dollars to give me head and she's like i do need to get my sunglasses and then you know what i mean like like i don't know to me this whole thing feels there are definitely ways to pull this off particularly if your girl is a freak but the amount of leeway she's left up to you if someone is really cool with this they might just be like look i don't i honest and look that does happen right some women have this weird uh the cuck adjacent uh we had nikki on here we barely talked about it but she's talked about it in the past ed has talked ed modica's talked about it uh which i would like to have her on the pod how they think it like makes their guy more desirable who knows right then i've heard of that this ain't this doesn't feel like that this feels like a potential trap a potential trap something that could make you feel guilty forever for your girl and also potentially for the people you you have hired and then also the the odds of this be of you opening pandora's box here and understanding how fucking awesome it is to buy pussy and this is an addiction you develop your instincts are right in the question he says i wouldn't want you doing the same thing we did have a friend in college who uh his girlfriend like said oh yeah i know that men have needs you can cheat if you want and she was cheating on him that is the policy oftentimes of cheating ladies i'm just i'm not casting any stones here that's a great aware of that's a great point so yeah i don't know man this to me feels like a real this is not i don't think you're capable and the downsides to me way way way outweigh the the good stuff personally one glaring omission to me is like his girl said that to him and he you know does that make sense for your girl's personality right he didn't have a moment of like huh that's weird she would even say that she's never i mean they're they're engaged so totally they've presumably been together for a while and it's like was that out of character if not if that came out of the blue then you know your mind should go to like oh this is clearly a trap and i was going to be like i would never honey you know your trap or you maybe you're already getting cheated on that's a possibility you know you're wading into some pretty dicey waters when the official stavi's world advice is like maybe don't go to the sex workers yeah it's true walk the straight and narrow path it's true but it's true and listen if she if she wants to do some shit that she's involved with or like i so i like i have i've uh like a friend of a friend has a story about like they were together like a couple that was together for a while and she straight up got him a high-end sex worker and like watched this lady suck her husband's dick and had a good time and it was like a very contained this is your present i'm here i get something out of it you get something out of it we've been together like 10 years we both kind of experimented here and there we know this will work for us this being and they were also kind of they were like types they were both kind of gay like they were kind of like you know uh a man is married to a school teacher and brings in andrew as a gift and says honey i know you've always wanted to fuck one of your students but i'm not gonna fuck you i'm not gonna fuck you i'm not gonna fuck you i'm not gonna fuck you we've found a creative workaround exactly as the only one here with the mind of a lady boy i think you gotta go for it buddy the mind of a man the heart of a woman embodied steve harvey's advice think like a man act like a lady uh i gotta talk to her about this i think don't don't do it he's also just gonna get addicted to these business trips she's gonna be like why don't you just get addicted to these business trips and she's gonna be like why don't you just get addicted to these business trips and she's gonna be like why don't you just ever get a better job and he's like the asian market's heating up right yeah yeah yeah yeah they need data centers there too um yeah i don't know sorry i got a weird i got a text it was like bad news let's talk about something like oh boy the next half hour uh but um and i don't know what the fuck it even could be about which pisses me off even more but anyway anyway great text to get nobody knows i'm fucking recording all day maybe save it anyway what it's fine it's fine um uh yeah tony to the two towers you're gonna be playing a hobbit i pitched matt i pitched matt they should have the sequel happen at my funeral where everybody everybody comes and they're like everybody's older yeah not banderas's funeral at my funeral um uh in flashback of course i would you would see me but it would yes uh anyway just making completely the begonia prequel where you do all the creepy stuff with jesse plannan's characters ah fuck yeah i make jesse dress like fucking that way you tried to make fucking andrew dress i'll be grandpa so yeah man this to me feels a little past your abilities to handle and we are officially telling you not to do it i that's my official it's high level dirt baggery and you're you don't got it like that and we don't know that your girl is compatible and that's a good thing that's a compliment that's a compliment it's like some dirtier dirt bags would have never even thought about asking permission no they would have cheated they would have already done it yeah come home be like i would never do that and every single time they go go to that point would bring home diseases blame their fiancee for giving them yeah gaslighted them into thinking that they cheated yes you

Podcast Summary

Key Points:

  1. The speaker reflects on a personal conversation about potential engagement with sex workers in Asia, expressing strong reservations about the idea.
  2. He emphasizes that the relationship is stable and long-term, with no major conflicts, making such a step psychologically and morally risky.
  3. The discussion highlights concerns about guilt, addiction, and unintended consequences, including emotional harm to the partner and possible exploitation.
  4. There is a clear distinction drawn between consensual, regulated sex work and trafficking, with the speaker warning that many settings involve coercion or poverty-driven labor.
  5. The speaker suggests that the idea may stem from a misalignment in the partner’s values, possibly indicating a deeper issue in the relationship dynamic.
  6. References to cultural and economic contexts, such as Thailand and Singapore, underscore the complexity and potential dangers of such experiences.
  7. A key point is that the proposal is not just a one-time adventure but could lead to long-term behavioral or emotional complications.
  8. The advisor concludes that the individual is not built for such a path and recommends sticking to a grounded, ethical relationship framework.

Summary:

The speaker discusses a personal conversation about considering a one-time encounter with sex workers in Asia, driven by curiosity and a desire for novelty. While the partner appears open-minded, the speaker strongly warns against it due to serious psychological, moral, and emotional risks. Concerns include guilt, addiction, potential exploitation, and the possibility of deepening relationship issues.

The conversation contrasts consensual, regulated sex work with potentially trafficked or coerced labor, emphasizing the ethical dangers. The speaker notes that such a step would be inconsistent with the values of a stable, long-term relationship and might signal deeper relationship or personal misalignment. He draws on personal anecdotes and cultural awareness to argue that the experience could lead to long-term harm and emotional instability.

Ultimately, the speaker concludes that the individual lacks the emotional resilience for such a venture and strongly advises against it, recommending a path of integrity, respect, and emotional security instead.

FAQs

Engaging with sex workers raises serious ethical and psychological concerns, especially if there's a risk of exploitation or trafficking. Many such activities involve vulnerable individuals, and doing so could lead to guilt, addiction, or unintended harm.

Such experiences can lead to guilt, emotional discomfort, or even addiction. The psychological stakes are high, as the act might create lasting guilt or complicate a committed relationship, especially if it involves pre-marital experimentation.

If a partner expresses interest in such activities, it could indicate a mismatch in values or boundaries. It might also signal underlying relationship issues, such as emotional instability or a need for external validation.

Yes, some countries like Thailand have more established, regulated sex work industries, while others like Singapore are stricter. However, even in regulated environments, there are risks of exploitation and ethical boundaries being crossed.

While exploration can be part of personal growth, it may not be appropriate when done without clear boundaries, mutual consent, or awareness of potential emotional or moral consequences, especially in a long-term relationship.

Yes, repeated exposure to such experiences can develop into a pattern of dependency, where the individual feels the need to continue the behavior, potentially compromising personal values and relationships.

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