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Bonus #196 - Alex Dragicevich and Dan Perlman [PATREON PREVIEW]

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Bonus #196 - Alex Dragicevich and Dan Perlman [PATREON PREVIEW]

The speaker grapples with a personal moral dilemma after learning that a man they’re connecting with on a hookup app has a girlfriend. While the encounter began with the intention of casual dating, the revelation introduces ethical tension—whether pursuing a relationship with someone who claims to be in a committed relationship is wrong or justifiable. The conversation explores various perspectives: the discomfort of betrayal, the perceived immorality of cheating on someone’s partner, and the idea that such behavior stems from outdated, misogynistic beliefs. The speaker reflects on how personal insecurities might have previously led them to seek partners with existing relationships, but now feels emotionally and morally evolved. They also consider that the man’s honesty—admitting he has a girlfriend without disclosing her involvement in sex—adds complexity, suggesting possible deception or lack of transparency. There’s a strong emphasis on personal conscience: the decision ultimately rests with the individual, not society or external judgment. The speaker acknowledges that while some may view the situation as morally wrong, especially in terms of harming a partner’s emotional well-being, others might see it as a personal risk worth taking. Ultimately, the discussion highlights how moral values are deeply subjective and influenced by personal experiences, self-perception, and evolving beliefs about relationships and consent.

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Hi, Sob. Hi, Eldest. Hi, Guest. I am calling because I have a bit of a moral dilemma. So there's this guy that I am talking to, and he just revealed that he has a girlfriend. Nice. We met on, like, a hookup app, so, like, the point is obviously to hook up, and so I don't know if it's bad, like, if I should just not meet him. Probably not. I would feel bad if he was facilitating cheating. Sure. But at the same time, he is really hot. Oh, that's true. He changes things, in my opinion. So, in someone's name? Right. It's going to be you. I don't know. Well, somebody's going to work. Somebody's going to build the fucking data center. Why not me? You know what I mean? It's inevitable at this point. Look, someone's going to cook the meals at Epstein's Island, all right? I just got fired from my five-star restaurant. The seats on that jet are getting filled. There's no extra tickets at the end. Is there more? That was basically it. Okay, yeah. Look, this is a classic dilemma. I'm kind of shocked he told you. The person who's made the biggest error is that guy making this your. I mean, it's weird. If you're dead set on doing something immoral, why implicate more people? He's going to cheat. This guy's a piece of shit. I'm more offended that you implicated your side piece than the fact that you're cheating. That's just bad form, cheating-wise. Let her have a clean head. Let her have a clean head and a clean heart and mind about it. Yes, totally, totally. Although it might be hotter in some ways. It might add a fucked up situation where it is kind of hotter. I mean, it sounds like you want to. It sounds like you want to. And I think the angle of is it wrong and this and that, it's like. I think the wrong part. It's his thing to deal with. This guy must be so fucking sexy, by the way. Cheating. And by the way, I have a girlfriend. And she. It must be so fucking. He's better than being tall. Let me see what Stav says. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever this guy's got going on is awesome and I'm jealous, dude. God knew not to put me in one of those bodies. I would literally be a supervillain. But I don't think she owes anything to this girlfriend she doesn't know. I do struggle with this. Definitely, my default position has been like, I'm not the one cheating. Sure, sure, sure. It's like, what the fuck do I care? I don't know. Right. I'm never going to cheat. I'm never going to see this fucking woman again in my life. But I guess it really comes down to, will it weigh on your conscience? Do you feel like a piece of shit? Do you believe in karma? Clearly not true. I mean, some of the most evil people in the world. A Kushner brother just bought the Lakers. The shit's not. The world's not good and there isn't. You never get punished for your bad deeds in this world. You just have to be a good person because it feels good. Right. So it's up to you. Will it feel better to have the moral high ground or better to get your shit? Stuffed by this 10. And by the way, I think it's pretty clear. He's going to rock your world. Any guy who's just like, real quick, I have a girlfriend. He's a demon. He's a pushy demon. Any guy who's like, I have a girlfriend. Are you ready or not? It's like a crazy thing to say. But also. What if he's not? What if he's so sexy, he is dined out on being hot and doesn't try hard? But I think that'll be good for her conscience. To know that. Do you know what I mean? Just to rest, to go to sleep at night and know it was fine. I just think it takes a lot of moxie to be like, hey, I'm ready to go. Here's what I would do if I were you. Ask for a video of him fucking another woman. Right. And if he's doing an awesome job, that might be the tiebreaker. He literally said, it's nice to meet you. I love someone else. But she's like, all right, let me circle back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, buddy, this one's on you. You decide. You decide. What would I do in this? Look, if I'm being completely honest, and the hottest woman of all time. Pics are very important here. I don't give a. And the other thing is, you know what's funny? It's like, I feel like cheating on a woman is worse than cheating. Because in my head, I'm like, oh, that poor, his girlfriend. But if I fuck somebody's girlfriend, I'm like, fucking piece of shit. I got you, dickhead. I fucked your girlfriend. Right, right, right. And look, I know that's a wrong thing. I know that's a fault to have. No. I know that's rooted in misogyny and thinking that if you fuck someone's girlfriend, you've stolen something valuable from them. I know that's fucked up. It's very medieval. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's medieval. It is like, I got. You didn't conjure that up. It's not my fault. Yes, yes. Those are modes of thinking that have been here since fucking the year 1100. That's how we got caves or whatever. But then I know I had to work on that, but that is how it feels. And I haven't done it in a while. But man, when I found out I fucked somebody's girl, like when she told me afterwards, I was like, nice. I didn't know. I was like, yeah, fuck him. Because you got to understand, I come from a place of getting no pussy. Of course. And when I get to fuck girls that have boyfriends, they want to fuck me so bad, they'll cheat. Yeah. When you have low self-esteem, that is. And now I don't think I would. I honestly think I would. I think I am past that point in my life. My boyfriend loves your podcast. It's like. Oh, if that, then I. Yeah, yeah. There's that too, where it's like, you don't know. You find out about it. You don't know. When it's people you don't know, you don't know the dynamic on the other side. Where it's like, it might be hot for them. True, true, true, true. So it's like, it's not always this kind of like. That's a good point. puritanically kind of betrayal or whatever, you know? Well, but that's the thing. If you. It seems pretty clear that he has. He said he has a girlfriend in the like, and by the way, I'm cheating way. He didn't say, my girlfriend's into this. Because there are people who are like, you know, our friend of the show, Edie, Edie Modica, she was saying that she's into getting cocked. Oh, shit. She did Dan Savage's podcast, which I can't believe she didn't talk about on this podcast. We got to get her back to really explore getting cocked. But that's an interesting thing. So they just. Some people are into it. But he didn't say that. He said, I have a girlfriend, by the way. This is part. And which is, again, very strange that he did that, in my opinion. Oh, yeah. I might say just fucking. Because he's got that app open. Yeah. And he's got other women in the queue. Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. Take a turn. And yeah, this will let you know. Yeah. Is this guy. Are guys like this good at fucking, too? That's. I am kind of. I am scientifically curious to know if a guy who's this sexy. This is strictly as a medical man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Truly, dude. Because in my head, I'm like, there's no way this guy. I have to eat pussy for survival. Like, there's no way this guy. There's no way this guy does a good job to that degree. Sure, sure, sure. But who knows? He might, again, just be a savant. He might be a sexual savant. He never gets notes. When you're seven feet, you don't need to learn how to dribble. Exactly. You can't trip pretty close. Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't become a skill player. Post-op, dude. Yeah.

Podcast Summary

Key Points:

  1. The speaker faces a moral dilemma about whether to pursue a connection with a man who revealed he has a girlfriend, despite their initial intent being casual hookups.
  2. The conversation explores the ethical implications of potential infidelity, questioning whether it’s worse to cheat on someone’s partner or to be involved in a relationship that involves deception.
  3. The dialogue emphasizes that the moral weight of the decision lies in personal conscience and values—such as whether one feels guilty or believes in karma—and acknowledges that societal norms around betrayal are outdated or deeply rooted in misogyny.

Summary:

The speaker grapples with a personal moral dilemma after learning that a man they’re connecting with on a hookup app has a girlfriend. While the encounter began with the intention of casual dating, the revelation introduces ethical tension—whether pursuing a relationship with someone who claims to be in a committed relationship is wrong or justifiable. The conversation explores various perspectives: the discomfort of betrayal, the perceived immorality of cheating on someone’s partner, and the idea that such behavior stems from outdated, misogynistic beliefs.

The speaker reflects on how personal insecurities might have previously led them to seek partners with existing relationships, but now feels emotionally and morally evolved. They also consider that the man’s honesty—admitting he has a girlfriend without disclosing her involvement in sex—adds complexity, suggesting possible deception or lack of transparency. There’s a strong emphasis on personal conscience: the decision ultimately rests with the individual, not society or external judgment.

The speaker acknowledges that while some may view the situation as morally wrong, especially in terms of harming a partner’s emotional well-being, others might see it as a personal risk worth taking. Ultimately, the discussion highlights how moral values are deeply subjective and influenced by personal experiences, self-perception, and evolving beliefs about relationships and consent.

FAQs

It's not inherently wrong, but it depends on your personal values. The key concern is whether it would make you feel guilty or compromise your integrity.

Yes, it can add emotional complexity. The dynamic may feel risky or morally ambiguous, especially if you're unsure about the person's intentions or loyalty.

It's natural to feel discomfort, but it's important to recognize that the person's choices are their own. You're not responsible for their actions or their partner's feelings.

Attraction doesn't equal moral failure. Desire is personal, and it's valid to feel drawn to someone, even if their relationship status is unclear.

Yes, asking for a video or confirmation can help you assess the situation. It provides clarity and reduces uncertainty about their relationship status.

The best choice depends on your values. Some prioritize moral clarity, while others focus on personal satisfaction and emotional well-being.

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