Bonus #180 - Maddy Smith and Sahib Singh [PATREON PREVIEW]
19m 43s
The speaker recounts a deeply traumatic childhood under the care of Mormon foster parents who abandoned them at 18 after they rejected their faith. The family systematically misused government benefits meant for the speaker’s education, hiding the funds in a supposed college account and transferring them to their own use. Despite being legally adopted, the foster parents treated the speaker with emotional neglect and abuse, lying about their intentions and failing to provide stability or transparency. The speaker discovered this through bank records and realized the financial and emotional exploitation. While the foster parents are described as morally reprehensible and manipulative, the speaker is advised to confront them directly, expressing the full truth—regardless of how it might be received. They are cautioned that the family will likely gaslight or deny wrongdoing, making retaliation emotionally taxing. The speaker is encouraged to take action to reclaim agency, even if it means using pranks or sabotage, as a form of retribution. Ultimately, the advice emphasizes that the foster family is not only morally wrong but deserves no further compassion, and the speaker must protect their emotional well-being by cutting off ties and asserting their right to truth and justice.
- Hey, Stave, this has seemed guest. I have a crazy situation, I need some advice on, and I'll try to keep the short and talk fast, but it's a lot, and I tried to record it before in it ran out of time. So, I'm gonna go fast. - We're wasting time right now. - It's a different important backstory. My birth mom lost custody when I was like seven or eight, and my aunts and uncle across the country then took me in and became my legal guardian. Living with them was tumultuous. They just weren't a club to be adopted parents. I could go into death, but that's for a different story. So, when I was 18, we got into a prison. - Well, we're not even getting into that. - And I told them I was actually leaving God. - She's like, "There's a lot to get into. "The people that raised me weren't ready "to be adopted parents, but hey, "we can't even get into the year nor there. "Let's get into the real meet. "That's not a part of it. "All right, keep going." - To be adopted parents, I could go into death, but that's for a different story. So, when I was 18, we got into a pretty big argument, and I told them that I didn't believe in God, they're Mormon, and it ended up with my mom telling me to get my shit in leave. So, I left, and I was in the fight. Boy, you're front of the time and his family took me in, because-- - Imagine saying you're religious and treating a child like that. These people are such fucking idiots. It's like, it's a kid. - You fucking retards it. - It's 16. She's rebelling. You're stupid fake ass God is not. He, if he's real, if you think he's real, you think he'd be pumped that you kicked out a fucking kid from your house, you fucking idiots. Anyway, go ahead. They thought my parents were fucking insane, and they helped me see just how ridiculously badly they had treated me for so-- - Her boyfriend's family that she moved to. - Right. - Which, by the way, that's crazy. - Wait, what was that, the boyfriend family? - She moved with her boyfriend's family after you. - And they thought the Mormons were crazy. - Yeah. - But also, it's like, that's such a weird position to be in, too, to be like, I guess. - They're like, yeah. - I guess we'll raise. - Your uncle and aunts are crazy. - We'll raise our sons, you could go for it. And then she's gonna stay with that guy forever. - I guess they're gonna fucking at home. - That is crazy. I remember one time my mom was like real weird with me 'cause I let my girlfriend at the time do fucking laundry at her house. And she was like, this is fucking weird. Why is she doing this? - Your mom really liked that girl from what I remember. (laughing) - Yeah, there are some generals who really liked her. And by the way, so did I, and everyone she's ever met. (laughing) - Yeah, but at least she was very beautiful. (laughing) - Hey, man, how you school? - Hey, I guess whatever. I couldn't get a girl to, but you know what? I think I could have if I went that low. (laughing) I think it was-- - I saw dogs doing laundry. (laughing) - She had the cleaner collar off. (laughing) She had the cleaner little hoodie with a tail cut out. (laughing) Her little fucking, her four little boots for what it's too hot outside. Her feet hurt. (laughing) - There he is. - Fuck, anyway, I'll just get the lint roller. We have too much of your girlfriend's hair on your shirt. (laughing) - I don't need to say it so much. - Is your girlfriend eating six slices of pizza? (laughing) - Oh, I was just girlfriend, got in the leftovers again. (laughing) Hold sheet of lasagna on this, come on! (laughing) - Put it, look, I told you, if that happens again, she's got to put the shot collar back on. (laughing) - Yeah, well. - Hey, when you're 16. - Anyway, not unless you know, thank you, man. That was a great little riff. Let's get back to this girl's story. - First of all, anyway, shortly after I moved in, I changed my address. At least check, start showing up for me. It was just over $1,300. My boyfriend's mom, who's a lawyer, so it was Social Security Life Insurance money from my birthbed, or it was either Social Security or like Life Insurance. I can't remember. - I was dealing with it. - She was committed to it when I was a little older than like one. And so I reached out to my birth mom about it, and she said that check should have been coming to me for a long time now. And my grandma had assured her that my aunt and uncle were keeping it in a college fund for me. (laughing) That's when you'll be roughly 180 grand. So it's not like a small company. So I go to bank, and I asked to see my records. They could only go seven years back, but it turns out from as far back as they can see, the money was deposited every month, and then immediately wire transferred to my aunt and uncle's account because they were authorized users on the account. I played with my aunt and uncle, and I texted and asked, "Hey, what is this check for?" Hoping that they would say something like, "Oh, we have a full fund for you," or something, because I was just finishing up high school at this point, and I was trying to get that money for college. Wishful thinking, my uncle said that they have used all of the money for my care, which is bullshit, because I spend fairly more than that for my bills every month as a full adult. Plus, I know that they also got money from the government on top of that every month for being my legal car. - She uses of shit, man. - So at the time, I didn't call them on it because I didn't have all the facts. - You were kidding. - I often care about a confrontation. And I think some part of me just didn't wanna lose them, but yours has gone by now on 25, and I feel like I've processed my grief of losing them as a family. And I'm wondering if it's too late to say something, and if so, what do I say? Do I need to just let it be? Yeah, I guess it's everything. Thank you so much, Dave. - Thank you, wow. - I think you gotta kill him. - Yeah. - Yeah, I should beat them to fucking death for the hammer. - Wow. - Wow. She's just talking about saying something. Not going after the legal action, right? - So I don't know. I mean, if they were her guardians. - If they're authorized. - Yeah, look, if you're just talking about saying something, these are pieces of shit. These people are fucking scum. And so that cuts two ways. One, you shouldn't feel bad about saying anything to them. These people are lower than low. I mean, look, I get they took you in, your mom had a what, your birth mom had a fucked up thing, whatever, but they kicked you out of their house. They stole fucking money from you. They didn't even like, you know they convinced themselves, they did nothing wrong, they're fucking pieces of shit. You should be able to feel free to let the fucking oozy spray on these motherfuckers. Don't even worry about their feelings, whatever, whatever. Say whatever you want. Now, the flip side of that is nothing you say will get through to the kind of scumbag that these people are. These are people that live in their own fucking world. You know what I mean, we all have, there's people in my family that are like this. I'm sure there's people in your family. All of the heaps, fucking relatives think it's okay to use slave labor. Maddie, you know, you have an insane, you have insane people in your family. Just for the record, my family's kind of poor, so we don't have that many. But the ones they got, they work them to the bone. 'Cause what's the, he's like three, we got like one. Yeah, he's like not even that great. Yeah, he's tired. He's tired, he's tired, and that's really hard. 'Cause he's got to fucking get to work by clinging onto the top of the train, and that's tough to do with just one arm. But these people are pieces of shit, right? Yeah, and you can say it for, this is for you. This is for you're fucking to get it off of your chest. This is not, there's nothing to do with them. So whatever you feel like you need to say, say it, if you can get, you know, talk to a lawyer, it's probably too late. Maybe you can sue them from, who do even have anything to go after, whatever. Talk to a lawyer, whatever. I would want to get back to these people any way that I could. 25 is still kind of young for someone with this tumultuous of a life where, on some level, you still feel something for them, especially when you've not had, I don't know what's happened since, but I mean, you're talking about a life with no stability. You know, you're still, some of their, you know, guilt bull shit probably still has, it's hooks in you. So, you know, I, this is us telling you to let that shit go. They're fucking scumbags. They deserve everything bad. They deserve a bunch of bad shit to happen to them, right? But you can, what to say? You should, I mean, if you just truly the truth, which is like, you know, you took me in, but at the same, it's like, it's one thing to take me in, but you stole money from me. You never told me about it. You lied to me. You probably would have kept, you would have kept stealing money from me, even, you said it was for my care. I, you would have kept stealing money from me if I wasn't fucking there. What, how you behaved is, is despicable. You are selfish, bad people, and, you know, I mean, just really let them fucking have it. I don't know what to tell you. I think, you know, that's all you can really do, is say like, the way you behave is completely unacceptable. You are scumbags. Write down everything you want them to hear, and fucking say it. And again, it's just for you. Whatever it is for you, whatever you want to get, don't expect them to change their behavior. If anything, they're gonna call you insane. They're gonna start doing lies. You haven't even thought of. They're gonna try and gaslight you in ways. You didn't even see coming, and that's kind of fun. I love when a insane family member tries to, 'cause dude, they're create, they're very creative people. They'll make up a whole fucking way you betrayed them that you didn't even think about. Yeah, they're gonna bring stuff off. They're gonna bring stuff off, but it didn't even happen, dude. So you gotta be ready for what they'll say. So that's especially if you're not a big confrontation person. It might not, maybe it's not worth your fucking time. You know what I mean? These people should not give you any more, you should not waste any more of your energy on these people, is my overall. Unless saying something helps.
- Exactly, you should not, yes, exactly. Now, I do think standing up to the people that were just come back to you or the reason that you probably, you say you have problems with the confrontation, I bet that had a lot to do with growing up in what sounds like a semi abusive fucking situation. Semi and we're bailing them out by semi because we don't know all the details, but you know, it's good for you to stand up for yourself for sure. So if you wanna say it for that, say it for that, but if you also feel like you're not ready yet, that's okay too. This is fully up to you. You're not gonna get any sense of justice out of this 'cause they took advantage of you. You're a child and they stole from you. Go talk to a lawyer. You know, hit up your, I guess, ex-boyfriends family. - Is he out? - We don't know if she's still with him. That actually would be kind of, that would be kind of like old-fashioned as hell if you were still with your boyfriend from when you were 16. - And on me 18 to 25. - Yeah, that's crazy. - A lot about it. - Yeah, I mean, I don't know that's it. (laughing) - Oh yeah. - I don't know if they, if you got with her through that. - Yeah. - A lot of people stay together when they're doing something traumatic. - Trauma, yeah, trauma, trauma-bonded. - For sure, for sure. - Yeah. - But yeah, that's what I was just like, you know, these people fucked you completely. And that's tough when your own family is taking advantage of you, and I'm sure you have trust issues and all this stuff, but you know, that's my advice. I don't know. - Something you can do is sneak into their house and put broccoli in places they won't be able to find. - Yeah. - And then it'll smell really bad and they'll go crazy. - Yeah, I would, yes. - Stuff to make them go crazy. - Yeah, I heard about like somebody put like a, somebody like, got cheated on or some shit and they put a device that beeps at odd intervals. - Yep, yep. - Oh, in their walls. - Do that shit. - There's some where they couldn't get to it and then drove them crazy. - They deserve that. - Do some crazy things. - Do breaks, do bad shit to them. Make them feel like, what in the Mormon thing means the devil's coming? - Do whatever the fuck Mormon, the Mormon Bible says the devil does to them. Make them feel like Satan is after them. - Yeah, yeah, scared of them. - Whatever weird version of Satan that fucking, what's his face came up with? - Like if this was a movie, she'd be scary in them. - Yeah. - They'd be like, we're on it, you know. - Yeah, but then they'd flip it on her, they'd know and then they're actually satanic for real. - Right. - Whoa, that's a good movie, dude. Normally it wouldn't suggest this, but do they have a dog, torture and kill their dog? - Get a dog. - Put a dog. (laughing) - No, this is one of the kids. (laughing) - Orchor and kill the dog. - All right, maybe that's the class that take it out on the dog, dude. - Yeah. - Yeah, you should. - This is a scenario where I would be like, if they have a dearly loved fet. - No, maybe you can kill it. - That's the absolute wrong way to look as the man who cares about animals the least. That's crazy. - Yeah. - 'Cause the dog is actually an innocent here. - And the dog is not like, oh, let's take their money. - Yeah, but what kind of animal is it, right? If it's like a lizard. - I just think. - Right, like a little boy warning. - Do a harm warning? - Do a harm warning? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Well, that's why a dog would just hit way harder than like a hamster or something, you know what I mean? - It would, but the problem is you want to do them harm directly. You don't want them, 'cause you're really doing more harm to the dog than that. - Yeah. - Yeah. - They're sad, you killed the dog. - Yeah, if you want to kill, if Elvis, you're the kind of freak that wants to kill something, kill some mice, put it in their walls. - Please. - You know what I mean? - Yeah. - Again, kind of the broccoli and something before disgusting. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Do some shit, print, call them. - Have you listened? - Have Jim Florentin? - Print, print call. (laughing) - Get a little print, you think you're going. - You guys are listening to Black Sabbath. (laughing) Why isn't Black Sabbath doing the half time show at the Super Bowl? - They're really good. - Shout out to Jim. - I open for him once in Tampa and Side Splters. It was one of the greatest experiences of my life. - Yeah. - He's a great hang. And then I also had to stay in the Tampa Side Splters condo, which is one of the most disgusting places I've ever been. - I believe that. - Do you stay with him? - No, he got to be in the Holiday Inn. - Oh. - Which was my headliner's hotel. - Yeah. - The Holiday Inn. - Holiday Inn. - That club. I mean, the club's awesome, but man, back in the day, before the new people bought it, it was a piece of shit. - Yeah. - It was the kind of, Joe Lis has a story about staying in that condo, and he was wearing socks, and his socks got dirtier on the carpet than what they put on the couch. - Thank you. - And we took them off. - It was fucking disgusting. - It was fucking nasty. - It was, and there was not near anything. Anyway, whatever. - Yeah, it was isolated. - Yeah, whatever. Do some pranks. I mean, if you really want to be bad, do they have like antique furniture, release bedbugs in there. - Yeah. - Put on a fucking, put on a hazmat suit. - Yep. - Get some bedbugs, and then release them in there, and release them in their home. That actually. - That's a good one. - That'll actually cause that go on. - That will make you go insane. - Yep. - And that's about equal to 100, honestly, you could do them $100,000 worth of bedbugs. - Yeah. - 'Cause sometimes you can't fix that. - They have to like, they have to like, gas the house. - You'd have to few be good to me. - You're okay, you have to be like 10 to the house. - But if you don't get it in time, it'll spread everywhere. - Yep. - Bedbugs are fucked. Anyway, they deserve it. They're fucking assholes. Sorry that happened to you. That's fucking insane. - Yeah. - You know why they even know they're lying? 'Cause they told her mom, who is one of their siblings, that they were putting it in a college fund. - Yeah. - Yeah. - They knew their piece. - So fuck them. Release bedbugs into their home. Put it in the special Mormon underwear that covers their dick. - Yeah, put it in the underwear. - Yeah. - Yeah. - It's supposed to start a call, but in the mean time out, this your homework while we listen to the call, is find out why Mormons wear that special weird underwear. - What is it? - I don't know, it's like, it's just like, I don't know, some kind of weird. It almost looks like boxer, like the balloon, like kind of pirate pant, like under armor type shit. - Okay, got it. - What? - It holds a dick in her. - I think it holds it. - So you don't fuck? - No, I just think it's some kind of, they think it has magical properties. I mean, these people are fucking, no disrespect, all religions are pretty fucking stupid, but the newer, if it's an only religion, at least you can fly to yourself and think that like, oh, this guy put this year for thousand years. - Yeah, there's history. - Mormonism is one guy made up a bunch of shit. And you can tell he lied. - Yeah. - He mistranslated shit from Egyptian that at the time no one could call him on. And then they're like, this doesn't say this at all. - Scanning. - Like he's clearly, if you're a fucking Mormon, I mean, no disrespect or a Scientologist for some reason, Mormon is the only one stupider and more in less knew, or a Scientologist is the only one stupider than Mormon. But come on, why are you, I mean, and by the way, on Easter, we also think that about Christianity about pretty much, you know, except Islam. That's the one true one we got we want. Go Iran, we're rooting for you. Keep that fucking straight, fucking close brother. - Mama, keep shooting us down. - Take those fucking rifles, knock those drones right out of the fucking sky. I'm rooting for you, motherfuckers, for real. Oh, did you do some research, Elders? - Yes. - The temple garments is what they're called. They're a two-piece thing, a top and a knee-length bottom. Knee-length. And they're a physical private reminder of promises made in the temple and serve as a symbol of commitment to Jesus Christ. - Can I wear those guys wear those like under their parents every day? - Yeah, and the shaded members are expected to wear them throughout their lives, removing them only for activities like showering or swimming. - What? - They have to wear extra underwear to like hide their pussy from everybody. - To remind them that they promised that pussy to wear to God or whatever they're like. - Oh, the girls wearing it. - Everybody wears it. - Everybody wears it, but you cover your cock or your pussy. - Yes, it's like fake pull. - All underwear does cover cock or pussy. - But you double cover it. No, I thought it counts as a very basic underwear. - I don't think it's a very basic underwear. - It's a two-piece, but you don't put it over underwear. - Oh, you wear it. - It's just underwear. - Oh, it's just underwear. - You just wear it as underwear. - But you have to wear a fucking top. You know what, this is vestigial of like, it's how all, how like the specific sex of like the, what we think of as orthodox use with the way they dress, that was just the cool way to dress back then. - Yeah. - These are just fucking pioneer underwear. Like, he didn't even make this up. This just would fucking, if you watch Deadwood, people are wearing shit like this. - Yeah. - Man, fuck more, anyway, whatever. More of the nice people that has magic underwear is considered derogatory. - I don't get this. - This is like full-by-members. - That's the slur actually. - Yeah, sorry. - I don't fucking care. - No, look. - Sorry. - Shout out to, let me say this. Shout out to X-Mormon girls. - No, that's-- - The Mormons are free, huh? - They are. - Honestly, I don't know what they got going there, but yeah. - Something extra to us. - That's kind of the only blonde, I'm not a big blondes guy, but something about an X-Mormon that's like, "Fuck it." Ooh, modern, little tan. - Nothing wrong with that. - It's also like you're a, like you're a bellie. - Saxon. (laughing) - Also, you're like rebellious. - Yeah, yeah. - No, they're rebellious, for sure. - Yeah. - And they're pent-up, bro. - Yeah. - That's kind of more abused, too, really. - Not out, okay, all this. - Let's kill a dog. Fucking, isn't it? - They're abused, I like that, too. - More, yeah. - My favorite part. - Let's kill a dog. Let's-- - It's children. I mean, you're really fucking-- let's not be able to fucking Google the difference between Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity. It's fucking an hour and a half into the episode. We still haven't gotten a follow-up there. - There's no idea. - Next question. - So we have another question. (laughing) (upbeat music)
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The speaker was abandoned by their Mormon foster parents at age 18 after rejecting their religious beliefs, leading to a traumatic and unstable upbringing.
The foster family misused government funds meant for the speaker’s education, hiding the money in a college fund and transferring it to their own accounts without disclosure.
The speaker discovered the financial theft through bank records and realized the funds were systematically diverted for personal use, not the child’s care.
The foster parents were emotionally abusive and manipulative, treating the speaker as a burden and denying them basic rights and transparency.
The speaker is advised to confront the family directly, expressing anger and truth, even if it leads to conflict, as they are morally entitled to justice.
The foster family’s actions are described as deeply unethical and despicable, with the speaker encouraged to use pranks or sabotage to retaliate.
The speaker is warned that the family will likely gaslight or fabricate lies, making direct confrontation emotionally and psychologically dangerous.
Despite the trauma, the speaker is urged to reclaim emotional agency and not waste energy on family members who exploited and mistreated them.
Summary:
The speaker recounts a deeply traumatic childhood under the care of Mormon foster parents who abandoned them at 18 after they rejected their faith. The family systematically misused government benefits meant for the speaker’s education, hiding the funds in a supposed college account and transferring them to their own use. Despite being legally adopted, the foster parents treated the speaker with emotional neglect and abuse, lying about their intentions and failing to provide stability or transparency.
The speaker discovered this through bank records and realized the financial and emotional exploitation. While the foster parents are described as morally reprehensible and manipulative, the speaker is advised to confront them directly, expressing the full truth—regardless of how it might be received. They are cautioned that the family will likely gaslight or deny wrongdoing, making retaliation emotionally taxing.
The speaker is encouraged to take action to reclaim agency, even if it means using pranks or sabotage, as a form of retribution. Ultimately, the advice emphasizes that the foster family is not only morally wrong but deserves no further compassion, and the speaker must protect their emotional well-being by cutting off ties and asserting their right to truth and justice.
FAQs
Yes, you can confront them. They stole money from you and lied about using it for your care. You should say what you believe is true, especially that they took advantage of you as a child.
Say that their actions were completely unacceptable—they lied about the money, stole from you, and didn't tell you the truth. You have the right to express how you feel, even if they don't listen.
No, they likely won't change. They are described as selfish and scumbags who live in their own world and may gaslight or make up false stories to defend themselves.
It's up to you. If confrontation triggers pain, it's okay to take a break. But if you want to stand up for yourself, especially after years of instability, it can be healing—even if no change occurs.
You should talk to a lawyer. Even if the money was transferred to their account, it may be possible to pursue legal action for fraud or misuse of funds meant for you.
Pranks like releasing bedbugs or hiding broccoli in their home could be considered. However, these actions may cause harm to others, especially pets or property, and are not recommended.
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