Bombshell Book From Diana's Brother, Oprah's USELESS Advice, and Lena Dunham's New Baby, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1401

Welcome to The Megan Kelly Show live on Sirius XM channel 111 every week day at Neast. Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to The Megan Kelly Show and happy Friday. We made it. So much news to get to today. We have a great show and a lot related to the Royal Family, which is in full meltdown right now as the grifters from Montecito are now England's problem and may, may be in cohoots with Diana's brother who is doing his level best to bring down the king. He's got this bombshell new book. It's making waves across the pond. The pond is wavy and there's no one better to talk to about all of this than our pal Maureen Callahan. She's host of The Nerve on the MK Media Podcast Network. You can go and subscribe right now on YouTube and all podcast platforms and find more at TheNerveShow.com. Our sponsor, the electronic payments coalition says Washington politicians are always getting in your wallet and that now they're messing with your credit card. 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It's good. I'm loving the gossip coming out. It's like bombshell after bombshell. I know. Okay. Suddenly Harry found an ally. An ally. Someone who's taken the heat off. Someone who's just like, so what is your favorite so far? Headline out of the Earl Spencer. I mean, the shocking line about everyone's going to forget about her soon enough. Just so the audience knows that's the allegation that the book isn't even out yet. But the allegation is that this book, which is called Swan Song Diana, my sister, has many jaw dropping moments in it. But the biggest one is where he allegedly heard from then Prince Charles after Diana died and they were having an argument about how the funeral was going to go. That Prince Charles said rest assured. Well, forget her soon enough. So that's got to be the biggest one. But there are a lot of favorites in there. I think so too. And when I read that initially, I thought the wheel, it wasn't just about the family. I thought he was talking about the nation. Yes. I took it like that. Yes. And then the detail that Charles Spencer gave, which was that Charles Prince Charles sounded almost giddy, like elated. There's such specificity with it that I tend to believe as the ring of truth. And let's face it, they had an ugly divorce. She was on TV about him. He wasn't really doing as much because he, of course, was the queen's son. But she was kind of vocal when she decided she wasn't going to take any more abuse from the palace lying down. Did that famous, now infamous interview with Martin this year and made him look bad. So in any divorce, like I always say, you know when you're truly married, it's not when you mail the invitations. It's not when you get your wedding license. It's not when you walk down the aisle even and take your vows. It's when you have a kid with somebody. You are married to that person in a very real way for the rest of your lives. Love or hate them. You're going to have to deal with them around every holiday, your kids birthdays. They're constantly there. So I mean, I'm sure he couldn't stand her. So I kind of do believe it because of all that that he probably like not that he was wishing her dead. Right. But that he wasn't exactly all that torn up about it. Right. That's that has the ring of truth to me too. Of course that he would be sad for his voice, of course. Yeah. But that this this was it's it's very short-sighted in a way. It's actually very Prince Charles to think that oh, the problem is gone. You know, we're about to set to mark rather Diana's the 30th anniversary of her death next year. She in fact, she became more iconic in death. Yeah. He has a low EQ. He does. He really does. Right. He really do you think William has a higher EQ? Yes. I do too. Yeah, I do. Yeah. And I think Harry, like I do believe Diana had mental problems as is alleged in this and because Earl Spencer, Earl, that's his title. Right. His name is also Charles. So the whole thing gets gets confusing. Diana apparently called him Carlos, Merle, Charles Spencer. So that's what we're going to call him to keep things straight. Sounds good. There's King Charles and then there's Carlos, the Earl. Sounds great. It was gone rogue. But he he wasn't very good to Diana himself. And we'll get to all that. So he's not he's not exactly, you know, in a place where he can cast stones when it comes to the treatment of her. But one of the things he allegedly told her was you're mentally ill. Like I don't think you're mentally well. And he was right. I mean, Diana was a mess. And those genes were passed directly down to Harry. I think Diana was a borderline. She, to me, is textbook borderline where it's it can be confused with bipolar because the mood swings are rapid and dramatic. You can go from a very, very high high to a very low low. Some of the histrionics, I think she probably also had histrionic personality disorder. Remember in the Andrew Morton book, which she also denied having anything to do with meanwhile. She's like smuggling tapes in. Oh, she also allegedly hated the paparazzi. But she was the one who fed them. Here's where I'm going to be where you can find me. And that's what Harry doesn't understand that she played the paps just as well as they wanted to be with her. She had like private phone communicates with editors and reporters at tabloid newspapers. Yeah. You know, it's like she, she knew how to sort of work that machine and she liked it. She liked it. Why does no other celebrity constantly get photographed in her gym wear on the way in or out of the gym? Oh, I know. What could it be, Maureen? I know. It's, it's wild. They, they've played the game. That's okay. It's fine. You know, it's fine. You like it. You like being photographed all the time. But then stop lecturing us, Harry, all the time about how my poor mother, she was stalked by the paparazzi. She wanted to be stalked. She wanted the attention. She did. And you know, I'm sure we'll get to it. But that sort of is, is why I find that Harry and Meghan's history on it's about having to yank their children out of school after two days to be ridiculous. We are definitely getting that. But wait, I don't really understand what a borderline personality disorder is. I know it's bad. You, you don't want it. And you don't want it necessarily in your closest friend group or your family. Yeah. But what, like, I guess we should look it up. Like what exactly? What else characterizes that? It's characterized. I find most distinctly by explosive rages that come out of nowhere. So I could be have, if I have it, right? And I'm having a conversation with you. Say we're having drinks and you say to me, no, Maureen, I'm not, I'm not quite sure about X, Y or Z. Maybe something I've asked your opinion on. And I would say, you know what, Meghan, forget it. I'll never talk to you about it again. Clearly, you don't understand what I need from you. And it's like that. It's like, I do know somebody like you do. Yeah. That's pretty much. So whenever somebody says to me like they have a family member or a friend who like, there's been a conflict. And that's where I always go, you might want to read up a little bit on it because it's not, it's marked by really, really extreme emotional dysregulation. And the other really market characteristic of it is, it's a kind of, I love you. I hate you don't leave me. Think, right? Yes. I know that I do know a person like this. Yeah. My crack team is sending me information. Let's see if it's on a personality disorder borderline personality disorder. Yes, here it is. They say people with borderline personality disorder experience deep emotional pain and often show at least five of these key signs. Fear of abandonment, extreme efforts to avoid real or perceived rejection, unstable relationships, quick shifts from extreme closeness to intense anger or hate, unstable self-image, rapidly changing goals, values and opinions about oneself, impulsive behaviors, dangerous acts like reckless driving, overspending or substance use, self-harm or suicidal behavior, threats cutting suicide attempts, mood swings, intense emotions lasting from a few hours to a few days. Oh, and also chronic emptiness. God, this actually does sound like Diana, to be honest. It really does. I mean, one of the really, there was so much packed into that first extract that was leaked in the mail. Charles Carlos, rather, writes that, you know, you do have to wonder how close they really were because if he really were close to her, he would have kept this. He would have taken this stuff to his grave. Yes. That she would drive to like one specific cliff side more than once and contemplate throwing herself off. Yes. I would never betray someone like that. I know. Now that is dirty pool to talk about how many times they considered killing themselves, someone this famous and this beloved. I mean, I know he's trying to say that's how bad the royals are. They're the ones who drove her to this, but does it really add that much? We already know that the royals did not treat Diana well. And she created a lot of the problems for herself, too. And by the way, you were a prick, too. She begged Carlos to let her live on his massive estate when she'd been kicked out of the royal family, the divorce, it was bad, she didn't have a place to go. That Spencer family is like totally blue-blooded, you know, perfect pedigree. And they had their own royal thing going on. In fact, Tom Bowers, who's reporting on the royals, you know, he's a biographer for years, said they believe their bloodline is superior to the bloodline of the royal family. And so she goes to Carlos, part of that bloodline, a Spencer, and says, can you let me live in these relatively small quarters on the grounds that had been used by a staffer? And he said, no, we have, look, we have a picture of it. I mean, for you or for me, it'd be very nice. But like for Princess Diana, as the former, you know, Prince of England and the mother of the future king, you know, it's on the small side. And it's on his enormous estate in which he lives like a king himself, Carlos does. So look at this little thing. And he said, no. And you know, and if I'm correct, I believe that all for is the Spencer ancestral home. Yeah. So he, however, it worked out in the line of descendants and who was willed what, I guess, had control over male air always gets things not anymore, but that's why it's been hundreds of years. I know. It's crazy. Yeah. It's so insane. So that he, but if we didn't have that, we wouldn't have some of the great works from Jane Austen that are based right there, all the opening of sense and sensibility. Fair enough. Um, but yes, the, the cruelty of that, you know, and the other thing that struck me in that extract is he, it opens with he gets a call in the middle of the night. He's told Diana's had an accident. It's, it's, it's their sister, Jane, who's husband, Robert Fellows is Queen Elizabeth's private secretary. Right. So she knows she's got it in. She's got it in. And so he, and the, but the conversation isn't heightened. He thinks, oh, she broke a leg. It's, she'll be fine. And then goes and turns on the TV and joins the rest of the world in watching and learning of the horror. And then he says he's back on the phone with Jane, the sister who says, well, that's it. It's curtains. I know what touch is dead. Who do you ever talk like that? It was so, it's, it's almost like if you were writing this as like a season six of the crown, someone would mark that like a Netflix executive would be like, there's no way they speak like this. There's no, but apparently that's why I think it's true. I'm just thinking about like the awful disgust forbid anything were ever to happen to me. And like you call Doug and he's like, Maureen, it's curtains. It's curtains. No one talks like that. No. In fact, if Doug did say that, I would have Teddy Van Halen open an active case file as to Doug's involvement in your premature demise. Teddy would get on the case. He would get on it immediately. He would know. And so I don't know if I believe that in my crack team points out to me that that account is different than the one he originally told just by a few words, but curtains is one of them. Hold on. This is what they said. The released book expert excerpt has him saying or has Jane telling Carlos in a soft voice. That's it. It's curtains. Such is dead, but Carlos went on with Larry King and told this same story. Do we have this sound by Deb? No, it's not a sound by it. It's just laid out for me. And he said to Larry King the same story. He said to his sister Jane called and she said, blah, blah, blah. I'm afraid that's it. I'm afraid she's dead. No curtains. So what's up with that? You know, it's so strange too, because whenever I've been on the receiving end of bad news like that over the phone, usually what your loved one will do is say something like, listen, I have to tell you something. I have bad news. Right. Or are you sitting down like there's always like a little bit of runway to like allow yourself to begin to to realize you're going to hear something. You don't want to hear and you won't believe necessarily when you hear it. This kind of stuff is just that's it. She's dead. It just lands with a thud. I mean, she was the princess of Wales, the mother of the future king. It feels so ineligate. It's not the same, but there's this terrible, terrible 911 call after the poor woman got attacked by the chimpanzee. Remember? We got her face ripped off. Yes. And the, the, the, the neighbor comes over. I can't remember. Is it the owner who gets the face ripped off? Or is it the neighbor? The neighbor. It was like, yeah, yeah. It was the friend who came over who got it. And the owner calls 911, the owner of the chimpanzee and they call them munkids. And she's calling 911 and she's like, I'm sorry, but it's like it's always jumped out at me as a news anchor. She's yelling. She's dying. She's dying. She's dead. She's dead. I almost like, oh my God, what am I listening to? And it's curtains kind of has the same vibe to it like, you're missing a sensitivity chip possibly. Yes. Yeah. I would actually think. Now again, my, my knowledge of this is really based on the film The Queen with Helen Mirren. And then that season of the crown that dealt with Diana's death. Okay. I think they dealt with that. Yes. I think I watched it a little when she married Charles, which is a good season. Yeah. And then, you know, the third Diana who was played by Elizabeth Debecky is, it's like, it's incredible. The tall woman who's non-binary. She's incredible though. Yes. No, she isn't. She's incredible. I saw like just a, I don't know, one or two episodes of her and she was crushing it. She really was. And, but in the, I believe Peter Morgan also wrote the Helen Mirren version, the feature film, it takes great pains to show how sensitively that the Queen and Charles were in delivering the news to the boys. And in fact, there's a discussion that the Queen and Charles have, which is let them sleep. Like there's no need to wake them up in the, you know, so it seems that for all of Earl Spencer's grenade throwing, you know, there is another version of this story. I believe they were sensitive around Harry and I do too. I don't think, like Charles, while he may not have a high EQ, he's, I don't think he's a cruel man. I think he didn't love Diana. He never loved Diana. It was obviously an arranged marriage. He was 32. She was 20. She was 19 when they got engaged. I mean, she was so sheltered. I mean, like, like, Yardley's 15, that's four years when I cannot even imagine being thrust into the public eye like that and being married off to a king. I mean, it's giving, like, Marie Antoinette vibes, right? It was like 15 and married off to an adult prince or king. And she, like, he's revealing some of, spilling some of the tea around that too. None of which comes as a big surprise, but it is interesting to hear him tell it. Like, she, she did want to love him and was falling for him. I think it's fair to say. And got nothing back from Charles at any turn because he loved someone else. And while that's one of the other scurllous things that's been thrown out by Carlos, is that Diana allegedly said to Carlos, something like, we're getting a divorce. Well, he's in love with his valet. And I would think it was valet too, but it was valet, according to Downton Abbey. Oh, that wasn't, that wasn't why I was like sort of like, no, I know, I know, you know, of course, you know. But there's no way he was gay or in love with his male valet because he's been in love with Camilla for decades. I mean, his whole life, he's been in love with her. Okay. I have a little bit of a different theory of the case on this one. Okay. I do believe it's true. I do believe that Charles perhaps did have something with the male valet. Now, it's interesting because in this excerpt, the valet is not gendered. There's no name, right? So he's legally being very careful. One could infer if one wanted to that it was a female valet. I don't know that they exist in the royal household. I mean, if you watch Downton Abbey, it's always a man. Okay. I've never watched Downton Abbey, by the way. There you go. And they're the pronounciate valet. Oh, really? And it's British. It's done by Julian Fellows. Oh, yeah. How can you never have seen Downton Abbey? There are only so many hours in the day, and I can't really. I think you would enjoy it. Really? Yeah. Should I take a look at it? Well, and so, oh, okay, so then lady C, I was talking to lady C about this on the nerve, sharing your character. Oh, my God. And she knows what she's talking about. She was saying that when it was time for them to negotiate the divorce, the British royal family initially kind of lowballed Diana. I believe it was something like a $3 million offer, which to the mother of the future king is nothing. Paul Tree. And apparently Diana went back and said, we can talk about the valet if you want. You might want to reconsider your offer. And that was how she sort of got money coming out of the spigot now again. And that could be a baseless threat that's made just like I could throw this out there. We both know it's not true, but you know, it's out there, it's out there. You know, it's very common, my understanding, from men I know who are British. Oh, you've read, have you read Christopher Hitchens, Hitch 22? I never have. You would love it. Okay. You would love it. He writes about being at boarding school and having, you know, a sustained passionate affair with a fellow male classmate, and he's like, this is really just what's done. What? Yeah, it's pretty common in British things. Yeah, they thought they all hook up with each other at all male boarding schools. Not all of them do. Poor Prince George. He just knows that George is going to be involved in any of that. No, no, no, no. But like going to prison. But like you could see it. Yeah. Right? So, but I could see Charles sort of dabbling. Yeah, dabbling in that way. And also, I think that the Camille narrative is one that like in the same way that the, that the palace really manufactured this great character for Harry, right? Happy go lucky. Shipper. He's the happy number two. He's like the rascal. Yep. And really, he was like, he's been fueled by rage and resentment. This is higher time. That's what's sad about his big reveals these past few years is like, oh my god, we all kind of loved you before. We didn't really care about those earlier fuck ups. We kind of thought they were charming. You could get away with dressing like a Nazi or Halloween. Yes. Everybody was like, that's Harry. Yeah. And then we got drunk. I kind of think that the, the Charles and Camilla as the true love story of the ages has, has been a very successful narrative at our job. He's had other women. He had other women, other mistresses throughout that relationship with Diana, you know? So and Diana was also, she was, she was convinced he was cheating with Tiggy Legbork, who was the nanny to the boys for quite some time. Tiggy Legbork. What a, there's a name. I know. Wait, I've got to say something funny. The, the narrative about Harry made me think of it. So Sarah, our mutual astronaut. Oh, yeah. Yeah. She was, I was telling her the story about the hugging face, AI break, and just I won't go too much down this tributary. But the, the story is that AI recently caused a lot of concern for the AI leaders. At, and the topic they gave AI an assignment, which was answer these 10 questions. But they made them impossible to answer. But they told the AI don't, don't use the internet. And don't leave like this controlled setting, like to answer the questions, the information we've given you previously is all you can use. And the AI didn't listen. It did use the internet. It broke out of its controlled space. It got the answers off the internet. And then it started coordinating with other AI's, like all the AI started swarming and saying, how do we cover up that we violated the rules the humans gave to us? So they don't know. And Sarah was like, I love them. She's like, so they're basically a teenage kid is what you're telling me. She's like, I can totally relate to these AI's. So first, I really fall in love with the AI's. They're these errant teens who are, they're just like us, AI's. That actually cracked me up. That's a very optimistic way to look at AI. I think I was listening to your show. I forget who was saying it. But once it was sad, I was like, of course, it's that like everybody's calling even the AI overlords, the human ones for now are calling for a slow down because they saw it to something that petrified them. Yeah, that freaked them out. Yeah. And nobody really knows what that was. Exactly. They're giving us the hugging face thing, but they're not giving us whatever the hell else happened back behind closed eyes. Exactly. Anyway, so the young AI's, the teenage AI's that don't want to kill us, at least not yet, are just like what we used to think Prince Harry was, errant teens making silly mistakes then trying to cover it up. And in this case, you had a whole palace trying to cover up what Harry really was, which was like a tortured, arrogant, angry prick who was totally entitled and felt very bitter that he was the spare. Exactly. And I always think that's why I think to blame Megan entirely for this display that we've been seeing for the past six years is not fully correct. I mean, I do believe she's an awful person. I think she's awful. I think nobody's in there. But like South Park, right, when they open her up and like, oh, but I think that she tapped into what had always been beneath the sediment in Harry. I think she was the one who saw that in him and really unlocked it, and a monster was born. She's an incredible manipulator. She's so good at that. She read him like nobody's business. And I've said before it's like, it was like shooting a fish in a barrel for her, yeah. I know exactly what to give this guy. Exactly. And you know, now I'm sure she's bored. I mean, can you imagine what she's doing with herself up in the Cotswolds? No. With no social circle whatsoever. You have a new fake scandal. She can claim she's the victim of truly like Harry was out at an Invictus related event the other night. It looked like he was without her. It looked like he went stagged. It wasn't very well attended. Did you see that? Oh, the rope line for the for no people to show up and applaud and admire his approval rating. I think is 30% and hers is 17. Look at this. Look at this. I love it. I love it. The event, I mean, when you rolled out, ask not, I guarantee your booklines were 10 times the size of this. I don't even, like they've had enough of him. He's not only not beloved, he's loathed now and she's even worse. Hers is 17% her approval number. Yeah. And what that, so the royal family is all about optics, right? And what I think why Charles issued that letter a week and a half ago or two weeks ago was to remind people that no matter what, how they costume themselves at any given event, he's wearing military medals. I don't know that he should be doing that. Yeah. As a non-working royal, you know, that the opt, whatever the optics may display, just remember, like this isn't real, that they're pretending, they're trying to convince you of something. When you see that, though, which is very reminiscent of their quasi pseudo royal tour of Australia, the rope lines where nobody showed up, it's like a footy false. I know. You know? And honestly, I think they're trying to use these kids, their kids, to try to get closer to the couple that does matter, you know? Like if only they can forge a friendship between little Louie and Archie. If only they can make Princess Charlotte feel like a, like an older sister to Lilabette, they're back in. Next gen is back in Windsor Castle and at Balmoral and locked in for when that generation ascends to power. Or perhaps even before because when Prince William becomes king, you know, George is going to be right on his heels. And the next gen could be there and therefore Harry and Meghan can be there. I really think that's what they're planning. I think that's what they're hoping for. Absolutely. I just think William and Catherine are far too shrewd to fall for it. Especially if the reports are true that Harry and Meghan are allying themselves with Charles Spencer. Yeah. You know, it's so page six. This is just so, the audience of page six says that they are, like they actually reported that and said we're, we are reporting that that Prince Harry was told about and knows was given it basically an advanced peak at the allegations. The telegraph says no, it's not true. So there was a bit of a, I don't know where all this was, but it was in my packet someplace. The telegraph reported no. He knew about the book, but he didn't know about the specific claims. And I think that's what the Daily Mail reported too. There's a bit of a split in the reporting about whether Harry knew, I believe he knew he was just over there. They were all over the Earl's estate, taking pictures near Diana's grave as you and I have discussed. There's no way he didn't tell them, don't worry. I got this. There's also no way they're there. I mean, you know, this you've written a memoir, Doug writes books, they were there two months before the book's publication date, which I believe is the 22nd of September. You have bound Galleys, if not fully finished physical copies of the book. You don't think there were copies of that book laying around all four. You don't think that Harry got like a sneak peak because they're all eyeing themselves. Harry, I want you to be okay with this. I don't want you to be shocked by anything. We need to stay on each other's good side, right? Well, especially because there's no way he's on the good side of Prince William. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. And William will never have anything to do with him after this. He seems kind of like a hot mess in his own regard. Carlos, he's had three marriages. He's on his four. I was just going to say, I think he might be on number four, so he said three divorces. My team did pull some information on the divorces, which I did. I'm not going to lie. I found it kind of interesting. I want a second. Let me see if I can find it. Yeah. Here we go. He's fathered seven children across three marriages and now is on number four. The first one was to Victoria Lockwood, 89 to 97 via time magazine. Their divorce became extremely contentious. Lockwood, the ex characterized him as a serial adulterer and alleged that his first affair began less than six months after their wedding charming. Lockwood's lawyers alleged that Spencer waiting to hear this had as many as 12 affairs during the marriage. Spencer denied that allegation and he disputed that there had been anything approaching 12 with his legal side arguing that her lawyers could identify only a few. Oh, okay. Oh, that changes everything. Okay. 100%. Then there was Caroline Freud from 2001 to 2007 via the London. in time standard. This divorce is described as being granted on the basis of Spencer's quote unreasonable behavior. Okay, patterns repeat themselves. That's all I'll say. Then there was Karen Gordon, 2011 to 2025 via the UK Times in the Daily Mail. Gordon claims her now ex-husband had an affair and also ended their marriage by text message. The Earl denied both those claims. Here's what he said. This was an absurd attempt to blacken my name. Karen ended the marriage after endless threats to do so over the years. In early March, she asked me to confirm the end of the marriage in a text and my reply was a simple acceptance of her decision. Okay, so that's that. But then here's another thing. There was a documentary made. It's called the immediate aftermath of Diana's death, seven days that shook the world, shook the world by the real royal. And what they alleges that Tony Blair aides and palace officials have confirmed to them that Carlos aka Earl Charles Spencer wanted to walk behind Diana's coffin alone alone and that he and Diana were not speaking at the time of her death. She wanted to live in a cottage at Althorough, but he refused. He didn't want the press there. So they had had a falling out. And yet so he claims in his book that he was outraged, Maureen outraged that they were going to have the young princess walk behind Diana's coffin. And that and what this documentary reports is that what he was really upset about was he wanted to be the one walking there by himself. All of this tracks. It's amazing. By the way, the allegation about the Carlos rather ending the third marriage via text message. I was just reading a profile of Jerry Hall in the Guardian or the telegraph this weekend. And she said this is how Rupert Murdoch. Her report ended the marriage. It was a text message that she was not expecting. Megan, the text message said, we've had some good times, but I have to move on now. I died. I was like, that totally tried. It doesn't make me a bad person if I say it's kind of a power move. Yeah. I know. She clearly married him for his money. Like, why should I feel bad for her? I always love relationship. By the way, I had had dinner with the two of them. It was not a love relationship. Fair enough. I do think there's a there's a better like just an out of self interest. You wanted to maybe go smoothly. Maybe not have her called Jagger and like get the house swept for bugs. You don't care. I love it. Being a Rupert Murdoch or like a Titan, a true Titan of industry across across continental, right? Like, you're basically like everyone can fuck off. I'm me. I'm not saying it's always great. I'm just saying like, imagine being that person where you're just kind of like, bye now, I'm done. But it's exactly why I believe the reports in the divorce where he said you cannot talk to the writers of succession because this is something the Brian Cox character would do. You know, and that the average person watching at home would be like really with somebody really be that heartless like yes, they would. They could. Did I tell you that I used to live next door to Brian Cox? No. Yes. It's actually very funny. When Doug and I, when I first moved to New York, the second time as a journalist, I moved, I lived here for a few years when I was a lawyer. And then Roger made me an anchor. I'd been working in the DC Bureau. He moved me up to New York to to launch America's Newsroom with Bill Hemmer. Oh wow. So that was 2007, January of '07. And I rented a little like the second floor of one of those Chelsea brownstones. Oh nice. It was so cute. And on the second floor next to me, in the brownstone, right next to me, was Brian Cox, who had starred in Braveheart. You know, he'd been in some movies, but it was pre-succession. You know, his career has been so revived. And he's so talented. But he and his wife were my neighbor. And then Doug, when we got married, moved in. And the four of us saw each other quite a bit. We spent Halloween's out in front of our little brownstones because that neighborhood was so popular for Halloween. It's insane. The kids are like 20 deep. You just start like throwing it at them. And we would have cheese and crackers and wine out in front of our Chelsea brownstones, every Halloween. I know. He was actually such a sweet guy. He had a temper. We not going to lie, but he was always lovely to us. Oh, that's what an interesting little factoid. Yeah. I love that. So yeah, so then, so actually, so we were talking about, okay, Carlos, the divorcees, number four. Oh, the documentary and Carlos wanting to walk alone. That completely tracks. And you know, this whole thing is just, I truly believe they were not on good terms when Diana died because she would have had to know that her brother would have been capable of something like this. You know, look at the heartless way he treated every single wife. Apparently, most of his children, the daughters at least don't speak to him. Yeah. And like to tell her she can't live in that little cottage on the family estate, like because the press might come, or first of all, it doesn't seem like the press can have access to author without his permission. And second of all, that's exactly why she needed to be there. Right? Like, yeah, to get away from that when she wanted to be away from that. A loving brother would have said, sure, of course, let me help you out. I'll protect you. But that that does invite a closer look at what he is saying in this book about the funeral and the boys walking because it is interesting. He, he, I mean, he is unsparing in this. Again, this isn't officially out. It's just, um, the Daily Mail has gotten an exclusive excerpt. Okay. And this is, in part, what he writes, I was chosen to be the point of contact for my family when he came to Diana's funeral arrangements. Once it was correctly decided after my family appreciated the public need for it, that Diana's service should be a full-blown national ceremony, Buckingham Palace and Prince Charles's offices felt entitled to take the lead. These little buzzwords. Diana remained there as in Buckingham Palace's eyes, even in death. Her family, despite her divorce, were simply expected to fall in line with any royal decisions. It is at moments like this that even the most ardent monarchist finds that questions about arrogance and entitlement arise. Love the passive voice. Right? Now we've gotten entitled arrogant and entitled again. My sisters knew that Diana had always wanted Mozart's Requiem to be played for her after death. When I passed it on, it was rejected. They said that this could not be played at a Church of England funeral. I later found out that was not the case. The first of several untruths that the authorities would push my way. There was no thought of anyone in the royal family talking to me directly, as was usual. Such a delicate and personal interaction was farmed out to a courtier. Then he talks out about how this Colonel Ross guy was his, you know, handler. He seemed about to hang up on one of our phone calls. When he added, oh, another thing, it's been decided that the two young princes will walk behind the princess's coffin. Well, that's not going to happen. I can't do a British accent. I can kind of do Indian. I almost did Asian the other day when we talked. Oh my God. We talked about the work in Asian spa and Bill Belichick, but I chose not to. I'm not, I'm sorry, not Bill Belichick, Robert Krab. Forgive me, Bill. Anywho, yeah, it's better not to. Okay, so he says, well, it's not going to happen. It was a suggestion that struck me as utterly barbaric and quite out of the question. By this stage, I had learned that Diana had left me as her son's guardian. This was a role without legal function while the other parent lived. I knew she would never have wanted a boy to undertake such a public ordeal. Well, the Prince of Wales says it is. Ross repeated, no, I said, I'm afraid it's not happening. Diana would never have wanted to put them through anything. So ghastly, then Charles allegedly called him. I gather you've got a problem with the funeral arrangements. He said, testily, no, I don't think so. I said, my mind on the structure of the service, but I gather you've said, you don't want William and Harry to walk behind Diana's coffin. Well, of course not, sir. Diana would never have wanted that. But I did it at Lord Mump, Baton's funeral, but you were 30, sir. And he wasn't your mother. He went nuts, writes carlos. That's the problem with your family. They've got no bloody sense of duty before it descending into a general rage. And that's when you allegedly drop the line, will forget her soon enough. Okay. I believe there probably was a dispute over William and Harry walking behind that casket, because this became actually a public reaction where many people were like, what in the actual F, like who would do that to these boys? And am I wrong? Didn't Harry complain about it in spare? I think he wrote about it in an unfavorable way. Like he didn't want to do it. And Earl, Carlos claims he was later told that the reason he allowed it, he Carlos allowed it to happen was that he was then later told the boys want to do it. It's interesting. Harry has said he's spoken about I think multiple times that that is among the defining traumas, not just Diana's death, but being made to walk behind the coffin. Notice Williams never spoken about that. Apparently also Prince Philip was very, very concerned about the boys and had said, if you want to do it, I will walk with you. Their grandpa. I find it remarkable that Charles, as you were just discussing, Carlos, rather, rejected coldly Diana's request to live it all for that summer and keep a low profile given He's extremely self-serving, but self-serving. bombastic eulogy at her service, right? Which the royal family allowed him to do, right? They clearly did not screen his eulogy in which he called her Diana compared to the most hunted Greek goddess after which she was named, okay? So the hunted, the preyed upon, well, who could have helped her out in that scenario when she was feeling so hunted? Yes. Maybe you. And then he went on to say that no matter what the royals intended for William and Harry, he alone was going to make sure they were raised in the way Diana intended. And then outside that funeral, remember the thousands of Britons who've left to their feet and sheared at Charles' eulogy, Carlos's. Carlos's. You know, what is smack in the face to the royals? And what it was really doing was the most vulnerable people were the children, William and Harry. And already, you're using the funeral of their mother, the globally broadcast funeral, to engage in a proxy war over who has domain over them, to bash their father and their grandmother, who clearly are going to raise them, not you, Carlos. So why do this to them other than make yourself look like an Avenger, which he wasn't actually. He wasn't. That's not what happened. He did not raise those boys. In fact, by most accounts, King Charles, then Prince Charles was actually quite a loving father, maybe not as present as, you know, a normal dad would be. But even when you hear him talk about his sons, it's always so sweet. Like the way some of the conversations recounted in spare to me, paint the picture of a father who is loving, constantly calling him, you know, Harry darling, like he's affectionate toward him as far as like the royals go. And I actually was favorably impressed with some of the stories about Charles as a dad, especially after Diana was gone. Here is some of that eulogy that was so, so famous and so well watched at the time. It is a point to remember that of all the ironies about Diana, perhaps the greatest was this. A girl, given the name of the ancient goddess of hunting, was in the end the most hunted person of the modern age. She would want us today to pledge ourselves to protecting her beloved boys, William and Harry, from a similar fate. And I do this here, Diana, on your behalf. We will not allow them to suffer the anguish that used regularly to drive you to tearful despair. And beyond that, on behalf of your mother and sisters, I pledge that we, your blood family, will do all we can to continue the imaginative and loving way in which you were steering these two exceptional young men, so that their souls are not simply amassed by duty and tradition, but can sing openly as you planned. We fully respect the heritage into which they have both been born, and will always respect and encourage them in their royal role. But we, like you, recognise the need for them to experience as many different aspects of life as possible, to arm them spiritually and emotionally for the years ahead. I know you would have expected nothing less from us. Your blood family, I mean, that's, that's back to the Tom Bowers comment of he didn't just mean that in terms of we, Diana, like the people who, your family of origin. Those Spencer's think they're above mountain winzers, a belief he's reportedly held to this day. And he thinks even though they're, you know, they are literally the royal family that he's got something over. He knows better. There's an arrogance about this guy that I'm sure King Charles finds totally and completely insufferable. Oh, completely. I mean, again, that was, that was grandstanding. That was, that, that, that speech was not in service of his sister. It was in service of himself. It was not in service of his nephews. If he truly had been appointed their guardian by Diana, which I find difficult to believe me. His first priority you would think would be just the care and consolation of those children and you would want it to be as private as possible. And if you did harbor that amount of anger and resentment, you would probably think it wise not to speak at that funeral because your role as caregiver, it sounds like what she was saying was, if both my husband and I die, yes, I would like him to take custody of the boys, but that didn't happen. Only Diana died. Therefore, that, that bequeath of power is null and void and absolutely meaningless. And now the only meaningful role you will play in those boys' lives will be if King Charles allows it. Right. Then Prince, like he's their dad, sorry, that Trump's uncle every day of the week. And so why would you get up there and intentionally antagonize the father if you actually did intend to play a meaningful role in the boys' life? It doesn't make sense to know. Right. I don't think this is a good guy. I really don't. I think, so why is he doing this? All right. So it could be a play for money. I mean, I've got, I've got some sources telling me that he is short on cash and may need the doe. Or it could be that plus some attempt to ingratiate himself with Harry and Meghan. Like doing them a solid, you know, he does still see himself as an Avenger. He clearly can't stand Charles. And so this book timed at this moment, just as Harry comes back, I don't know what I mean. Here's Tom Bowers. He was actually given interview on this, this, this week on GB news. Stop for. He's not very selling a book, but he's also undoubtedly formed a alliance with Harry and with the Duchess to somehow damage the king. I mean, when I wrote my book about Charles the Rebel King and Rebel Prince, I had impeccable sources in Bel moral and all this little thing and I called something today and that all of them united and saying that Charles did in real grief, the idea that he would even say rest assured that bit, but the idea was giddily elated, it's completely rubbish. The man was absolutely smitten. He was horrified. I mean, he was frozen. I think it's in money troubles, personal troubles, he's been in therapy, he's not feeling very well. And remember, it's the same publisher as in Harry's book and they want juice for all the money they've given him, they want headlines, which they've got, but I think he's more serious on that. I said here, I think I two weeks ago when I was here, the return of Harry and Meghan is heading towards a crisis. They haven't declared why they're here. They haven't declared what they're, how long does this day, their object is not only to ingratiate themselves or our family, but cause trouble. And there's no doubt that Harry knew that his, the Spencer was going to bring out this book. But do you have any pincer movement? He's very good this Tom Bowers and I tend to believe him that the actual palace response, it's kind of interesting. Charles tried to pull the recollections, they vary. The queen put out after Meghan and Harry tried to tell Oprah that everybody's a racist in the family, they put out in a highly unusual move, a written statement as follows. While we do not comment on books as a matter of principle, his majesty is mindful that the pain of fraternal grief can cloud reason, affect judgment and color memory in ways others do not recognize even many years after such a loss. I would have said maybe tighten it up a little, but it's pretty good. Make a declarative definitive, no, didn't happen if you're going to respond. I do think that both things can be true, right? In the immediate, the grief, the rage, a death like that, that is that sudden and violent and premature, you know, you can experience a lot of rage at the unfairness of it. If not for yourself, at least for your children, right? And you've got this asshole calling you every five minutes going on, I'm running the show. And you're not walking behind the casket on the future king Carlos to me, Carl, I love it. I love it that her nickname for Charles Spencer was kind of like a mid-level drug dealer, like Carlos, you know, it seems to track, it seems to track and but the other, so I believe that can be true and that Charles would have been like, you know what, it's this problem's done with for now. I've got a bunch of other problems on my plate, but it's also not to be forgotten that Charles went to the morgue in France and identified Diana's body and Charles brought her home. I believe this was in contravention of the Queen's wishes because she, Diana was no longer H.R.H. And she said, I'm going to escort her body back home and he looked shattered. There is still news footage that exists. He looked shattered, so both things can be true, I sure his, you know, watching his sons in that much pain would have, I mean, you'd have to be in human, not to respond to that. And Princess Diana was given the full royal funeral and she had the standard bearing colors and flag on her casket and so the royal family did ultimately do right by her, but this, this was, you know, right around the time when people, there was backlash against the Queen because she had stripped her of the H.R.H. after the divorce. She reports in this book that the Queen offered him, Carlos, right after Diana died saying, we'll give it back. Like, do you, do you think she'd want it? Like, we'll posthumously, we'll allow her to have her H.R.H. back and that he was like, absolutely not. I knew at a visceral level she would never want this. So he said no. And then there's a couple of other claims that I do want to talk to, we talk to, speak to. First, we're going to take a quick break. Don't go away. We've got more with Maureen after this. is to laundry. There's no reason clothes have to smell like basic detergent. Laundry sauce takes things up a level with premium scented laundry pods featuring fragrances made by top perfumers. Sents like Himalayan cashmere and Australian sandalwood can leave clothes smelling fresh and elevated all the way until the next laundry day. And it's not just about the fragrance. The ultra-concentrated pods are powered with bioenzymes designed to tackle tough stains from muddy clothes to food spills and everything in between. Be the best part about Laundry sauce, they offer a full money back guarantee. So if you don't get better smelling cleaner laundry, you do get a full refund. No questions asked. 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It's been a ton of work for the MK production team and I'm very grateful to them for a wonderful job. We are going to be continuing MK Confidential in a different form after this wonderful team gets a little bit of a rest, further updates to follow on that. But don't miss tonight's season finale. Last night, we dove into her defense's case and the focus on the family dynamics. That means that Anthony family definitely had some serious issues. And her defense lawyer made them even larger and you could argue faker than then reality would justify. And we began with the explosive opening statement from attorney Jose Bias. Here's some of that. Jose Bias starts with George. This family must keep its secrets quiet. And it all began when Casey was eight years old and her father came into her room and began to touch her inappropriate thing and it escalated and it escalated. What does a sex abuse survivor look like? They wear a scarlet letter, they have a tattoo on their forehead. We could all be sitting next to a person who's a sex abuse survivor and never even know it. These things are kept quiet. And these ugly secrets slowly will come out through this trial. No such thing will come into evidence in this case. But the character assassination of George Anthony has begun. It's so juicy. The whole case is so juicy. There is just so much to dissect from a legal standpoint. And of course, we all know how it ended. But we've got a lot of new information around why the jury actually found as it did new to me. I should say it's been out there. But I hadn't taken a hard look at this case in a long time. So we reveal the verdict in tonight's episode and the fallout from it. Find it on the Megan Kelly YouTube channel and on all podcast feeds. It's right on our same podcast feed as you get this show. That Casey Anthony is just such a. You know, she's out there living her life right now. She's free. Free is a bird. I mean, it was hard to not think of her as the Lindsey Clancy jury was deliberating. Yes. You know? At least her jurors didn't have the level of sanctimony that these jurors have. Like they're a little, "I am woman, hear me roar routine" and Lindsey Clancy. It's a lot. You know? Let's spend some time on that before we go back to Earl because I do have a couple more things on Carlos. But here is on the Lindsey Clancy front, we actually do have a little bit of news, which is Patrick Clancy, the husband now ex of Lindsey Clancy, is going to be on 60 minutes this Sunday night. And he's going on with his wife, his new wife, which actually will be kind of fascinating. I'm kind of interested to hear what she sounds like. Probably won't watch it. I'm probably just going to get the highlights from my team. But honestly, 60 minutes, I can't stand them. But here's in a preview clip, they put this out to promote it. He talks about how he still talks and quotes to his children, side eight. In this exclusive interview, we see a different side of Patrick Clancy. For much of his testimony, he appeared stoic, but now we're hearing an emotional and raw account of what this all has been like for him. In his first television interview since the death of his three children, Patrick Clancy tells 60 minutes he still leans on them for support. I talked to them, what are you saying? Help me all the time. The trial captivated the nation, but also put Patrick Clancy at the center of online conspiracy theories, accusing him of being involved in the killings. And in this exclusive interview, 60 minutes asked him about those online conspiracy theories. He called them deeply harmful to the legacy of his children and a distraction to perinatal mental health. Oh boy, I mean, it's ridiculous that he killed those kids. She's admitting she killed the kids. No one's disputing. She killed the kids other than like a certain online contingent, like Lisa Rena, who decided to post about this on Insta. But there is some blame for Patrick Clancy. I mean, there's some with just a man, I have tons of compassion for the man, but when your spouse says I'm thinking about hurting the children, there should be no moments alone between that spouse and the children until medical professionals have given her or if it's to him, the all clear and say, tell you that there's absolutely nothing to worry about. Like, I'm sure that's something he's going to have to live with for the rest of his life. Well, you know, I read the New Yorker did a profile of him, I think in 2024. And in it, he said that at one point, he did ask Lindsay, is that why he sent me out of the house? So you would have time to kill them. That deliberate ask, he was working that day in the basement, in his home office, it was in the basement. And part of the reason I've never, I've never been able to believe, I actually, I came to this case late. I didn't even really want to know. I know it's so, it's so dark. It's so dark. When it involves small children like that, like I'd rather not know, but you know, my job being what it is, we have to know. And I think if you are truly thinking that you are on the verge of harming your children and your husband is working from home, perhaps because he's worried, you might harm the children. And it's time for dinner. You order grub hub. You order a pizza, you don't send your husband out on a multi pronged run of errands, all of those, all of that said, my question is, and I don't mean this in, in, in a way that is without compassion, I don't quite, I can't quite figure out. What Patrick Clancy is doing. Yeah. Why is he going on a media tour? Why is he going on 60 minutes? Why is his wife joining him? Yeah. Is a book deal next? Are we going to sign with Netflix for a sit down like we live in this sort of very gullish culture where I mean, you look at someone like Amanda Knox, who has made a career off of being an accused murderous. She doesn't seem to, like she's doing, she's out doing a stand up routine, which is basically like, hey, do you think I did it? It's really weird when everybody thinks you like murdered your roommate and cold blood. And the family of Meredith Kerture has begged and pleaded with her to stop. She performed at the Fringe Festival in Edinburgh very recently and there was a petition to have her removed and she went ahead and did it. She does all manner of podcasts and she's done this podcast. How's she? Yeah. Oh, wait, I did hear that. I did hear that. Yes. Hey, I don't, I feel bad for Amanda Knox because I don't think she killed Meredith Kerture and she almost had her whole life ruined by that prosecutor, Mignini, Mignani in Florence who there's a whole backstory about him in connection with this serial killer called a monster of Florence where he did not, he did not behave well. But I think she's trying to just like deal with the ongoing trauma of having been accused of this crime, found guilty of this crime, right? It was there was a verdict. I'm just trying to remember, it's been a while against her that thing got reversed. She spent, you know, two years in prison in an Italian prison. But whatever. I mean, I know you have a different POV on it. But I see your point. Like, why is he doing this? Is he trying to convince the conspiracy theorist, whatever you call them, Lisa Rena? She's not going to be convinced. Those conspiracy theorists will never be convinced. Never. So like, what do you, is this an image rehab for you? Is it for people like you and me who are like, why, why did you leave her alone with the kids? And when she said, I'm thinking about harming the children to have her have another minute alone with them. Like, I truly have that question. I hope Ross, do thought, whatever Harry promotes that last thing, says it. Exactly. Connecting that interview. Yeah. Douth it. Yeah. Why would they give it to someone with very minimal broadcast TV experience. A very is she wants to make him a star. She's going to be the one who revamped 60 minutes. In the same way she thinks she's great on the air. I guess she wants this to believe Ross is too. We'll see about that. I don't know. Here's another one because he sat down with a wife too and I am kind of curious about I don't know. Can you just imagine the conversations those two have had about, you know, everything that happened with the first wife. Her name is Rachel Danis. She's a doctor. Is she a medical doctor or is she a Jill Biden doctor? She's a real one. She's an actual doctor. Oh, she's a fertility doctor. Okay. Here they are. I don't understand how the story has been so twisted. But I would hope people know that Pat is, as I said before, the most selfless father and supportive partner and I was just a girl that met a guy running in Central Park on a really cold Saturday. Oh, Lord. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Okay. First of all, she looks a little like Ruth Bader Ginsburg. I was thinking the same thing. The white collar against the black and her face looks like a young RBG and a little like Lindsay Clancy. No makeup, hair pull back, very, very, very bare and austere in our self presentation. I looked at that and I was like that woman hired stylist. That woman has a publicist or a crisis manager who worked with them as to how they were going to come across on their first joint national broadcast interview. Secondly, I realize how cynical this will sound, Megan, but we are in a cynical age. And we're us. And we're us. Fair enough. She said, I'm just a girl who met a boy jogging in Central Park. It was Julia Roberts. Thank you in Notting Hill. Right. I'm just a girl standing in front of a boy, asking him to love her. They're dead children involved, but it's kind of a rom-com. We met in Central Park. What is going on? Like, my brain matter is explode. Oh, you're right. That was such a weird line. I haven't seen. I haven't seen the sound bite before we just played it and listened to it together. What was that? That's like, that's PR. They needed more advising. Much more advising. I mean, I would just be keeping my mouth shut. I would be listening to the middle of the country. I might be using my maiden name. Like you're not going to hear from me. You're not going to hear from me. I don't understand why there is a publicity jug or not. It's not like he's falsely accused and is about to stand trial. It's not like he's fighting for his life. Like this is pretty much done. And I also, I have to say, like, why in all the promos around this are they referring to her as Dr. Rachel Danes? I mean, truly, I get this. She's an MD. How is that relevant in the context of this? Like, you're sitting down. The only reason we have any fucking interest in you is because you're married to this guy. We don't care about your medical credentials. No one's here is asking for your expertise because this is a legal case and we need you to weigh in on something testified to. Like, that too is like, let me tell you I'm someone you should respect and, you know, look up to which in this context feels weird, it just feels weird. If I were the new wife, I think I'd just be going by my name without my honorarium. And I wouldn't be doing this interview. I wouldn't either. And also, there is this feels, they are very aware of the image they're trying to project. If you look at her in her black and white, okay, she's wearing black and white. So, we're saying a priest collar, a priest collar, a judicial collar, right? Like, I understand right from wrong. There's a binary here and I am adjudicating this, okay. And she's sitting up, she's very, she's sitting up straight, he's next to her looking like a shrub. Yeah. He's wearing a blue Oxford shirt that's a little too big for him. He's sitting slouch like this while she's talking it like they are trying to tell us something and it's not natural is what I'm saying. He needs one more button, he needs one more button. I guarantee you there's a publicist off cam who would have said, had this been the intended visual, sit up straight, Patrick, project some confidence and project some belief in her. Yeah. Why would you, why are you showing us chest as the grieving father of the three children? What the fuck is that? Honestly, I don't get it. Is he where, no, there's no jewelry, no, it doesn't seem like there's any hair either, which is, that's good, we didn't need to see that either. It's very straight. Okay, let's get back to just a couple more things on the, on the Carlos, I won't keep Carlos danger. I keep what's the new Carlos danger down, which is Anthony Weiner, but no, he pointed at a couple of things about Diana that are interesting in here that I just wanted to raise. First he points out that on the day, that she was extremely bulimic and on the day of her wedding, she'd been in the throes of her eating disorder for five months, brought on by her engagement photos where he says that at 10 and a half stone, her five foot 10 frame looked heavier than she wanted it to. Look, this is her and her engagement photos. Can we put those down on the board? Look at her. She looks beautiful. Right? I mean, of course, that's the nature of bulimia is you don't see what everybody else sees, but apparently she thought she was, she was too fat here and he Carlos includes in the book quote, her insecurity was increased a few days after the engagement announcement. When Prince Charles had squeezed her waist and said quote, oh, a bit shabby here, aren't we? Oh my God. I do think that detail also resides in Andrew Morton's book, Diana, her true story. Really? I think Carlos may have lifted some stuff from previous published materials. He says she found it devastating. She would later share with me that her waist shrank from a 29 to a 23 and a half between her engagement and her marriage. Her weight loss had returned with vengeance after she gave birth to William. Diana would later tell me she'd been fine in the days immediately after the birth, but then suddenly began to feel isolated and trapped. She believed that her husband was sometimes too busy for her and on other occasions that he was critical. She told me he had married a 20 year old, but seemed always to wish she was nearer to 35 and character and outlook. Well, duh. I mean, he was 32. So I'm sure he did wish that. Then here's the thing. I am convinced he writes that Diana had ADHD and that as part of that condition, she suffered from rejection, sensitive dysphoria. And he writes quote, as do I, okay, hold up, buckle up. This is an intense emotional pain in the face of others rejection or criticism, which amplified her wounded response to her husband's suggestions. Rejection, sensitive dysphoria, intense emotional pain in the face of others, rejection or criticism. This, I think there's a British word for it. I believe it's puppy cock. That, okay. This is funny. I had the exact same response when I read that. Whatever dysphoria. And then I thought about for a second and I was like, no, no, no, no, that's just part and parcel of being a borderline. Right? But it's like, it's got a special name now. We've got some ornamentation on it. It sounds a little flashy. Very good. But back in your earlier diagnosis, it's like you perceive the slightest rejection and your reaction is like a hundred times what it really warrants. She was in the wrong line of work. She was in the wrong. It also explains the need for like global adulation, right? Like she had that deep need. She really, really needed it. In a way that you see like Catherine Princess of Wales seems to not. She does the job and she's very, very good at it. But you don't sense that her identity lives or dies on being adored by the public. I wonder if Megan has this too. Rejection, sensitive dysphoria because anybody who says something negative about her winds up in the receiving end of a lawsuit or getting bashed on Oprah or in her husband's book. You know, I don't know. But that seems like a very common thing to dislike rejection and criticism. Like you don't have to have a disorder in order to feel that way. It usually hurts. Right? No one particularly likes it as far as I know. Okay, wait, there was one other thing that I wanted to mention, oh, that I got to it, that the queen had offered to restore the HRH title. Okay, so that's the end of those two. Good luck to them. And when the book actually hits, we'll be following it. Now you mentioned at the beginning of the segment on them, this nonsense with this couple over in the cult swolds who pulled their kids from school two days into the term allegedly because of the security situation created by the traffic. They were like sitting ducks, mori and sitting ducks in their convoy, which now we know was the suspects is in one car and the security team in another and they got separated. And of course, Prince Harry is completely feckless. Now, I'm stating the fact that he served in the military and felt like he couldn't protect his kids, I guess. God forbid, somebody had done something to them. But now there is reporting in the Daily Mail that Daily Beast, I should say, that parents at that school, many of them believe this whole thing was a ploy, it was a ploy to improve They're bid for tax pay. funded security that these two knew very well that it, like literally nobody who is in this area doesn't know, sorry for that we're sort of double negative, that the traffic is absolutely oppressive. Here was the quote from one, the literally all people talk about is the traffic in Oxford. Parents spend their time dreaming of strategies to beat it. One favorite is to get up at 545, drive in, and go and sit in a coffee shop for an hour and have breakfast and do homework there. Another one said this was obviously going to happen. They didn't know that there was traffic in Oxford. This is all just a ploy to get security and on and on it goes. I think that's right. Dan Wooden suggested the same, but this is all part of their plot. They're alleged imaginary security problems to get full-time taxpayer funded bodyguards, which will make them feel important. Exactly. If I am that worried that my children are top terror threats, and if I am the perfectionist that we have long been told Meghan Markleys, you know firing off emails at 5am to palestaff who just can't keep up with the perfectionist touches, I would be, I would be consulting ways, plan a drive on ways. How long will it take? What are the traffic patterns? If I'm moving to a remote rural location, which is akin to a place I spend a lot of time in on Long Island where there is one main road in and one main road out, it is a two-lane road. That's it. If you get stuck in traffic, you're stuck. You're done. Everybody knows. That's exactly right. Everybody who lives there knows exactly how it is, how you navigate the back roads. If they are that concerned, why have they not invested some of their Netflix money and hiring Exmosod in purchasing a bulletproof vehicle, you know, doing the practical things that one would do, I'm sure they can consult with the finest minds in global security. It's true. This is all employee. This is, oh, you won't give it to me. You won't give it to my wife. How about you? You're grandchildren are in mortal danger. Right. What's wrong with you? Can't you find some compassion in your heart? That's all this is. They just, they're going to use anything they can and now they're using the children and they're going to bank on very few voices in the media wanting to accuse people because it's a very low thing to do of using their own children as ponds. But like you just said, we're us. So I'm going to do it. Yes. Yes. Well, here's the other thing. You would not be dropping videos with all the clues necessary to show where you live on the internet. I mean, it took people about two minutes to figure out exactly where they were and where they were sending the children to school. If you really didn't want your, the public to know where your kids went to school, you would make sure that you hadn't done any of that. That the only way it would get out is by a paparazzi, paparazzi stalking you and unethically publishing that. But that's not what happened. She kept dropping these videos where everybody's like, oh, I recognize that. Yeah, I recognize that. Like everybody knew she clearly doesn't care. She does, that's, she wants to feel important. That's what this is. And they want the British taxpayers to flood them with the royal escorts so they don't have to follow the traffic laws so that they can show up everywhere with heavily armed bodyguards. 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Two of our favorites got together, Maureen, and this is a job for you and me. Oprah went on Mel Robbins. I mean, they did it for us. They had to have done it. Like, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I don't talk about Mel Robbins, but I love when you do, because she's inseparable. Honestly, she's like, her fake self-help is a lot, a lot to digest. And as you point out, like, she has no absolute, as you know, training, she's got no special qualifications to give any of this. And it is, she's an empty vessel. Like, let them, let them. There she is. The picture from her book, right? Oh, and she uses it for her podcast too. Oh, my God. The modern day, beatific state in Warby Parker. What is that? God is giving me the answers directly. Come to me. She thinks she's the new Oprah. And she had on the actual Oprah. And this is so on-brand and it's so wonderful. Listen to Oprah. Just as you should know, four minutes into the interview, four minutes in, stop 14. I believe that I've had just the most blessed life on earth. I just. We know. Can't get over how blessed I have been in my life. I can't get over it. I marvel at what God and the life forces have done for me. I marvel at that. But when I think about it now from the point of view of 72, I realize that what I have acquired is not as magnificent or extraordinary as who I have become. And I know that the world looks at what I have acquired, but it's who I have become. And I recognize that the work to become myself is the same work and ability that everybody has to become the most of themselves. And I am most proud of the women that I have become. I purposely didn't watch any of it because I wanted to watch it for the first time with you. It's so wonderful. I can't believe it. I love. She's rolling out in men's wear a lot these days. Oh, lean in. Lean into it. How about the fake. I've got the verbate here. I just can't get over how blessed I have been in my life. I can't get over it. I marvel at it. And she like, after she's through a little acting bit, her cadence goes right back to normal. 100%. Like the crocodile tears and that, you know, she can't believe it. She should not believe it. I mean, again, I just, I long for the days when somebody like that would sit across from somebody who's slight. adversarial and says, explain your friendship with Harvey Weinstein to me. Explain. Hey, explain your friendship with Sean Diddy-Kombs to me. Explain that. Explain where Stedmond's at. Although we did see him over the summer allegedly reportedly. Where's Stedmond? Yeah. Here's what Oprah doesn't do. Okay. Like, this is how this should have gone. And I am so grateful to this amazing country and the people in it for bestowing on me these many blessings. I owe it all to my fans who, no matter what they were going through, no matter how busy their days were with their kids and their jobs, took time out of it to spend with me. And that relationship that we build helped change my life. And in my less humble moments, I could argue, change the world because we helped a lot of people on that show. And I'm just so grateful to God and to the American public for helping me have that. That's how it could have gone. Instead, what you really need to know is how great I am. It's about, I know you can see I have a lot. But what's important is me, like, right, how great I am. Yes, you may, you out there may marvel at my estates, my private jets, my, my jewels, my bent leaves, all of it, but what you really should be marveling at, Megan. I'm fucking awesome. I'm so incredible. I'm one of one. There's never been another one like me, bitches. All right. Steve says we've got to watch the next one. There's one more we pull. Watch it. My parting words are, you were born to fulfill the dream of your life here on earth. You were born into this planet, into the density of this gravitational pull to fulfill the dream of your life and of the Creator's dream of your life here on earth. Get about the business of doing that. You heard her. That's right. Oh my God, such emptiness. Also the arrogance of it, that presupposes that you're lucky enough to be born in a Western democracy. You're born on third or even even in a Western democracy with nothing but time in your hands to think about your dream and pursue it. Most people are like they have to pay their bills, they struggle, they get a job, like it's a desk job, they don't tend to love it, they work 95, they can't wait for their vacays and to retire. It's not about the dream of my life. It's like an Oprah with like, oh, you're just thinking small, no, they're not necessarily thinking small. They they've had a tough hand dealt to them, they're dealing with the best they can, but there are a lot of people out there who have got special needs, kids, or have had a bankruptcy or lost their parents to young or are taking care of parents and a younger generation and are struggling just to keep their head above the water. They don't need to be listening to Oprah about you were born to fulfill your dream of your life. What is she even saying, Maureen? Even like a catastrophic illness and this Oprah is directly responsible for people such as her descendants, Mel Robbins, who just finagled this newfound career. She was at $1.800,000 in debt as an adult, wife, and mother. She was a day drinker. She was a fuck up. Okay. She's got no business being in this space. Jim Curtis is another one. Jim Curtis, Jennifer. Never heard of him. Oh, yes, I do know. Okay. Another one, his whole thing, again, he's got no, he doesn't do deep reading. He hasn't studied with anybody. We should all look for yellow butterflies. Okay. Now, if you look for yellow butterfly, that's going to help you self-actualize how I do not know. But it's this kind of stuff that presupposes that everybody, everybody can be super special. Everybody can be super talented and super wealthy and super famous as if that's also what everybody wants. Not everybody wants that, you know? Can I tell you something? Oprah coined that phrase, aha moment. I had my own aha moment in watching that, which was, I've been lied to by many years by this person when I was younger and more gullible before my career as a lawyer and a journalist, which will, of course, beat the optimism right out of you. You're dreamy, sunny optimism and make you a cynic, but I actually am an optimistic person in general. But when I was more willing to believe utter problem like that, I was sold a bunch of nonsense by this woman because she's an actress. What I saw there was acting in the same way like you'd get from a televangelist, a snake oil salesman. We have to watch it one more time that first clip, because what I didn't realize all those years, Maureen, was that she was not offering profundities. She was taking banal, meaningless statements and putting the force of an over actress behind them. And I was buying it as it were millions of American women who had never been sold this particular brand of product before. Let's watch it again now. I can't get over it. I marvel at that. And I recognize that you really need to admire. The work to become myself is the same work and ability that everybody has to become the most of themselves. Oh my God. She said nothing. The other thing about that in watching it again is if she were really here to do what she says she was put on earth to do by God, the fates, whatever, all of her talk, it's really self-talk and it's narcissism. Look at me, look at what the process I become, I become instead of being like, what a privileged position I've been in to be able to reach so many people, touch so many lives. I come at this with complete humility because having a platform like this can confer you with maybe a kind of power that you haven't earned or deserve. Right. And you have to be very careful with that. I think her greatest accomplishment on the Oprah Winfrey show was bastardizing spiritualism and self-actualization as consumerism and materialism, epitomized in you get a car, you get a car, you get a car. Yes, honestly, it's incredible how she's tearing up over herself because the whole message there was, I know you admire all the things that I have as you should. But really what you're failing to recognize is the truly special thing is me and she's crying over it at the top, she's actually, well, purporting to tear up over this extraordinary thing which she wants you to know is her, not her accomplishments, not her things that she's acquired, but her. And then literally right after spending three lines saying, I can't get over it, I cannot get over, I marvel at it. She's like, but when I think about it now from the point of view from 72, she got over it, she's over it very quickly because it was acting, she's acting, like she did in the Meghan Markle interview, it just took my own maturity and perhaps her distance from her actual acting career by starring in movies like the color purple and like her skills need a little dusting, that the two have come together to show me what was happening. I was defrauded. I was misled. You were not alone, don't blame the victim, don't blame yourself, don't go there. I actually is just occurring to me now what we're doing with this Mel Robbins appearance. And this is potentially another parody for the two of us down the line. Do you know that Oprah Winfrey is going to play the sphere in Las Vegas? Do you know the sphere? Yeah. How is she going to play it? She's going to go in and she's going to, the sphere is going to, I guess, become something like the womb. I could only imagine what she's going to do, right? She's going to yell at people, that's what she does. So it's about, you're, you're spending like maybe $1,100 for a two to four hour long experience, which I guarantee you will include Oprah on stage for 45, like a tight 45. Yes, right. And then the rest will be like a bunch of her filler adjacent, like low level self help, you know, whatever. Like millions like Mel Robbins. Like a Mel Robbins or like, you know, someone she flies in from India to do some shaman work. with the crowd or whatever. >> Oh my. >> Yeah. >> Who would pay at this point in life to go see Oprah at the sphere? I mean, we're trying, right? We're trying to disabuse those who are still, but like it's interesting because it's only a small, it's a small residency, it's really small. It's not like you two or the Eagles where they played for like a month or eight weeks. I think she's only doing like four dates. It's like a test run. >> Okay. Yes. Here's let's see. What am I looking at here, Steve? Is that the, okay, uh-huh, Oprah's, uh-huh at the sphere, Las Vegas. She's calling it the, uh-huh, oh my gosh, Oprah Winfrey's, uh-huh, a brand new visual and musically immersive symphony of senses comes to the sphere in April created by a global collective of musicians, artists and storytellers. The two hour experience features Oprah Winfrey live on stage alongside special performances that take guess on a profound journey of wonder, joy and the ultimate, uh-huh. That's what I'm saying. Now with some maturity, don't you see what bullshit that is? What of wonder, joy and the ultimate, uh-huh? No, what you're going to get is more Oprah acting. >> I believe that your work here is to become yourself to fulfill the dream of your life here on earth. What does that mean? >> I had no idea. >> How? >> What's my dream? How do I figure it out? How do I then fulfill it? What happens after that? What if God throws curveballs in my way? What if I feel depressed along the way, Oprah? What am I supposed to do then? Like, what do you mean I'm supposed to fulfill my dream? >> Hey Megan, only two hours, two hours and maybe $1,100 and you got a shot at getting the answer. >> And then my whole life is going to change. I don't think so. Okay, let's keep going. The, uh, the woman known as Lena Dunham has decided to reproduce, I'm sorry to tell you, not everybody should be a mother. >> Honestly. >> I didn't agree with you more. >> Right? And that's fine. Not everybody should do it. And unfortunately, though she used a surrogate, she did pass along her gene pool, which I also think is problematic. >> Did she? >> Yeah. She seems to be saying in the, in the right up that I saw of this that it was her egg that was used, but obviously not her body, hold on a second, uh, this is Lena Dunham. Okay, this is from the Vogue article. Present and forth, right? With a name of impressively obedient curls and the strong, sinewy form of someone who was actually good at yoga, the surrogate had stirred something in me. This is an excerpt, obviously from her. As soon as we were introduced, with my husband out of town, I had brought my mother to meet her and her partner. And we sat in a coffee shop in Cobble Hill, holding our marches like props as we talked about our lives, her children. The reasons she wanted to undertake this journey as they so loved to call it infertility medicine. After we left my mother, nodded approvingly, then one of us said something I can't remember. And we fought so hard, we took separate cabs back into Manhattan. Nothing like staring motherhood in the face, no matter how much you've wanted it or for how long, to make you instantly regress into a surly 14-year-old with the needs of an anxiously attached toddler. Then she writes this, I get to put on my readers, I'm struggling here, getting older. In the months before the embryo transfer date, I got to know our surrogate and to trust her. The feelings I thought would be there somehow weren't, namely jealousy that this woman could do for a child, for my child, but I could not carry her safely in her body, use her form to feed and house her, regulate the baby's ever-evolving nervous system with steadiness heart and breath. Instead, I felt a different kind of jealousy toward said baby for the chance to be tucked into someone who radiated such safety. What? Okay, wait. So maybe I was wrong when I heard the embryo transfer date. That could have been anybody's embryo didn't have to be Lena Dunham's. I'm not sure whether it's her egg or not, but really either way, this woman is seriously tortured. Here's one thing. I couldn't define exactly what I wanted, but I knew what I saw at clothing that was playful, but didn't lead with too much wink, wink cuteness shopping for baby clothes. And most of all, I was looking for garments that allowed her personality to develop and express itself, rather than announcing an identity she didn't have yet. I guess that's what we mothers are doing when we buy or you buy for your niece. We, instead of buying anything for them, which is announcing an identity that they do not yet have, we should just wait until they tell us what their, what their identity is to give her options and to offer her something my mother had offered me and that had lent childhood its most magical moments. The chance to develop her own taste to curate her world to express her moves and on and on week out. Is this a sick person who should not be anybody's caregiver? So this may sound harsh, but I remember reading, she wrote an essay four vogue years ago about getting a hysterectomy. It was a very young woman. And it was complicated and tortured in the way that so much of Lena's existence is, but I thought to myself, well, at least she'll never have a child. Like that is a good thing, that is a blessing. She turfs through dogs, like she has had a history of turfing through dogs, like adopting them. She had this dog named Lamy. She did her first vogue shoot with Lamy. Lamy was always with her on the set of girls, smashed kind of few years later. She dumped the dog. She dumped the dog. The shelter, it's called bark. It's a big shelter and I believe Brooklyn and they were like, she was supposed to bring the dog back if she didn't want it anymore. You don't just like turf a dog, that dog did not have behavioral issues, like she was claiming. So if you're going to do that to a dog, you have no, and again, in her first memoir, not that kind of girl, she wrote about being sexually inappropriate with her younger sister multiple times. She has a disturbed individual and I cannot believe that just, you know, anyone can become a parent. You know, you look at this photo that they took for a, for vogue, for the, for the digital essay. I don't know if it's going in the physical edition. She and her husband, they look like they're homeless, he's a jobless middle aged DJ. He's got no money. Look at her. She looks like she isn't showered in weeks and I'm not talking about like the new mother. I don't have time to shout. I mean, she can afford help, nannies, housekeepers, all of it, personal assistance. They look, this is not a happy story and this is why I hate the celebrity media and dust real complex. They're both very unattractive. I'm sorry, but like, why are we still pretending Lena Dunham is a thing? You know, she did girls and that had like a following. That's pretty much been her major offering to the world. It's very, very outdated now. She's obviously made zero attempt to keep herself up physically. She seems to lean into her homeliness and now we continue to treat her like she's relevant. She's getting the vogue spread. We care about somehow the fact that she used a surrogate to have a baby which is like not look at this. Look at this. This red carpet photo of her. I just like, why are they doing that because she, because they think that feminism was her main thing. This is her. She is the mad gal. Completely eaten by a bunch of feathers. Oh, truly. Is it because in that one series, she took a feminist position and therefore she will be forever loved? Is it because she leaned into being obese and, you know, these magazine editors love that? What is it about her that continues to garner all this attention? I think, you know, she comes from an art world family in New York City. So there's some cachet of that. She knew all the right people. There's some cachet of that. I think there's something that like even Anna Wintour at Vogue understands. It's like, you know, that line in the first devil, where's Prada, where Miranda says to Andy, after Andy has disappointed her, the an halfway character. And she's sitting behind the desk and she goes, you know, I tried. I said to myself, take a chance on the funny fat girl. You know, it's like she's the toe and lean to the token. She's the funny fat girl, you know, and it's like, look at me. I'm not judgmental. I'm not superficial. I have a funny fat friend who's like, you look at those photos on the red carpet and I'm not trying to be flip. You look at her and you think that is a mentally disturbed individual. She's got all the access, all the money in the world. She is eating herself. That is not medical. She looks like a hoarder. Yeah. She doesn't want to be surprised at all to learn she's got like a ham sandwich under that left. Oh. Okay. Here she is. Where is this? Where? Okay. Oh, it's a scene from. No, it's not. Yeah. Okay. It's a documentary about either her or girls. Here she is. 26. I also liked the idea of showing someone who was getting an abortion and wasn't tortured by it. I feel like so often when we see a situation of a woman choosing to terminate a pregnancy on television, it comes with so much pain and angst and I liked the idea of a character who goes so far in the other direction that it's almost confusing for the audience because we've been taught to react one way to this, which is, you know, with tears and regret. Someone who's really passionate about reproductive justice for me, it's not just about making sure abortion is legal, it's about making sure abortion is without stigma and is not something that women feel like they have to apologize for. That also will get you a lot of love from the magazine editors. Let's de-stigmatize abortion. Let's make it something super fun that you don't have to feel guilty about. Apropos of that, the New Yorker just tweeted out this the other day. Pregnancy tests draw a misleading somewhat arbitrary binary between a state of being pregnant and not being pregnant. A misleading binary between those two things. You can be kind of pregnant, a little bit pregnant, or almost pregnant, or maybe pregnant and still test positive for pregnancy. What? Pregnancy tests, particularly at home urine tests, capture a moment in time in which an embryo has implanted, "Right, we call that what again? Pregnancy." And is interfacing with the uterus in some way, interfacing with the uterus, what we define how we understand the beginning of pregnancy based on this snapshot. But such a freeze frame contains limited information, a poor of a Tata Pali, right? Read more about this in the New Yorker. We're good. We don't need to read more. And the name of the article is when does pregnancy really begin? How insane is this? That's her sect. I mean, I think we've answered our question, right? You lean into these things like body positivity, no matter how dangerously obese I am, and unwashed from the look of it. Her feminist bit in girls, which promoted abortion without shame or guilt, and the magazines are telling us who they are with pieces like this in the New Yorker. You can be kind of pregnant. That's fine. Selena Dunham is also, she's said so much stupid, dangerous shit in her life. It's hard to keep up with, but she also said publicly that she had never had an abortion, but she wished she had. Oh my God. I wished she had, because it's a right of passage, it's an experience that every young feminist would want instead of it being a horrific thing to be confronted with. I mean, I have a friend who had one as a young woman and to this day is tortured by it. So it's a bunch of bullshit to be feeding young women that it's no big deal. Right. That is sick. And she is sick. And I'm sad to hear that she's created a little baby. You got big plans for the weekend? Oh, I'm getting a massage. So nice. I'm sleeping late. I'm going to try to squeeze out another summer weekend at the beach. What about you? I got kids kids and more kids and lots of sports, which I love. I love doing all that stuff. It's a privilege to be with them. I love you too, lady. I love you, Megan. Thanks for being here. I hope you all have a wonderful weekend. We'll do it all over again on Monday. See you then. Don't forget to tune in to MK Confidential Tonight. Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.