Bob Lazar Meets Travis Walton for the First Time - The Flying Saucer Diner

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How's it going? Oh, nice to meet you. ¶¶ Not bad. I haven't seen you in a while. Yeah. How long did it take you to get here? Quite a while. It was quite a trip, but I enjoyed the scenery. What have you been doing these days? Just working around the house. As far as UFOs are concerned, as little as possible. I hear you there. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Yeah, there. Can I offer you guys some coffee, tea, water? Oh, absolutely coffee. I'll have the tea. Sugar only. Tea? Sure. If you want. We have a chocolate pie and an apricot pie. I can come back later. Apricot pie. Yeah, you want to piece it up? Okay, sure. Never turn it down. Yeah? Apricot times two. Okay. Okay. Hey, I always wanted to ask you something. Yeah? The, um. Yeah, the. human-like beings that you saw. Yeah. what made you so sure that they weren't human? Well, the, um, sort of rigid, uh, pre-planned, uh, movements, the controlled movements. Oh, so they didn't, they didn't move smoothly, like. Well, they moved like, like they should, but, um, um, I'm in a panic, screaming, yelling, and everything. Sure. And they're just. Maintaining. Just, they're cool, calm, and collected, and, uh, just on task. But, but physically, they're, I mean. Yeah. They just seem like, uh. I think that was the intention. Hmm. Uh, the plan. Maybe to make you more comfortable. Something to make me cooperate, yeah. Yeah, it was. I had recently looked at, uh, Fire in the Sky, the movie. Mm-hmm. And, um. In fact, I was trying to show my wife, Joy, your story, and, holy cow, there is so much contradicting information. Yeah. about, about everything. Every single thing you look at tells a different story, and they're all wrong. Thanks. Yeah, well, I understand that, you know, uh, Hollywood dramatizations are not documentaries, but I think they went a little too far afield. And they knew it. Oh, they knew it? Yeah, they didn't put the part aboard the craft in the copy of the script that they gave me. Really? Yeah. So, I mean, just to be clear. They knew I wasn't gonna like that. The whole thing with you and the membrane and the dead bodies and them drilling in your eye, none of that. Yeah. They just fabricated all that, and you didn't know about that ahead of time. Right. That's, that's unbelievable. Hmm. Well, there's a few things. There's a few things that could be classified as a story device. The membrane over the actor's face, he's struggling to breathe, uh, struggling to scream through it. Um, I was, in my actual experience, uh, feeling suffocated and, uh, you know, uh, how do you express that if you don't have the actor say something like, I can't breathe? So. I get. Yeah, I think you're being. Being generous. Show it rather than tell it, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You said it was a real, like, a super humid environment where it was hard to breathe and. Yeah. Uh, it was. It, it served the purpose of, uh, generating fear, and that's as, probably as close as you can. Hmm. get for what they did there. What, what was interesting to me is the. the. The size of the craft that you were in, or if it was a craft or a base or, or whatever, because when you exited, when you got away, and now I may, I may have the story wrong myself, when you walked out of the craft being led by this other being, you were in some giant hangar with other crafts, right? Uh, even the craft we were coming out of seemed bigger than the way I remembered it in, in, when I approached it. So. Did you, did you think it was the same craft? It was the same shape. Okay. But, you know, uh, it's also the same shape as what you're reporting. Uh, uh, I've always been struck by reports, uh, descriptions of your craft, um, resemble what we saw more than any other report that I've seen, you know? That's really interesting. I, I rarely comment on other events or other people's. Uh, reports, but that's one that I've always, uh, found interesting and didn't mind saying before. What caught my attention, I think one of the times you were describing the craft, it had archways in it, is that, that correct? You saw some archways, or. Well, the doorways and connecting, um, surfaces between wall and ceiling and that sort of stuff weren't corners. They, you know, were rounded. Okay, but the, the craft itself, was it, the, the skin, was it made of archways? Was it like a, looked like a support system, or? I don't know. I was. Uh, it looked very angular from, uh, outside, from a distance, and my, uh, I was preoccupied with the feeling of threat, you know? Yeah, I'm, I'm sure you didn't have time, really, to. Study the architecture. Yeah, yeah, that's, uh, hmm. Yeah, I thought they might have been similar in that way, but that, um, did you have any kind of feeling where, uh, that craft might be, what this big thing was? Did it feel like it was, you know, you were on a base? I couldn't see outside. The, the light that was coming through the surface of the, uh, larger enclosure, now, whether that was a building somewhere, maybe on Earth or somewhere else, or part of a larger craft, I don't know. I couldn't see outside, but it, it was a very natural colored light, kind of like sunlight. Oh, okay. Hmm. It, it seemed, it seemed natural, not artificial, like it was. Yeah. So you could. Not extremely bright, but just, uh, like natural light. But it was large enough to hold, what was it, two or three crafts in there with more. Yeah, mm-hmm. Yeah, that's a big. Again, I was preoccupied with where are you taking me, what's going on, you know? I felt like I was suffocating, like I was dying, I was injured, and I was begging, pleading for. Yeah. Uh, explanations from this person that I think was probably selected for the purpose of reassuring me and getting my cooperation. I guess that, that kind of worked to some degree. Yeah, it did. But, um, he never uttered a word? You never heard. No, he didn't respond. Mm. None of them did, uh, even, you know, when I started to demand more of a response. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Uh. Mm-hmm. I didn't hear a response from him. Hmm. The, uh, the time from when, well, I have a lot of questions that are kind of jumbled in my mind. Well, I'm, I'm, I'm here. Yeah. Yeah, I've, I've heard so many theories about it, but when you guys, you know, all got out of the truck to see the craft. everybody else got back, and you stayed there? No, actually, I got out of the truck, and none of the rest of them did. Oh, okay. So you just went out to investigate. Everybody else stayed behind. And that kind of led to some strange reactions. Steve, he was in the truck, and he didn't get out. And his girlfriends would say, Steve, how come you didn't get out of the truck? And he said, it's because I had stronger resistance to mind control. He's claiming that mind control made us get out of the truck, but he resisted. I said, Steve, the mind control was to make you stay in the truck. I was the one that was resisting it. Just kidding, you know. But it wasn't mind control, but he was trying to act like he had to come up with an excuse for why he didn't jump out, too. Yeah, he needed to be out. He was a tough guy. No, well, I wished I had done it like him and stayed in the truck. Yeah. So you got behind a tree stump or something to that effect to kind of hide. And one of the theories I heard was the craft was about to take off. I think you said you heard a hum like it was powering up. Yeah, it got louder. Yeah. The sound was already there. And then I think somebody was calling back in the truck, and you stood up, and then you got hit by, there was a beam, a bolt or something from there, and you went flying. Yeah. And you go like 20 feet high or something like that. Yeah, they were all screaming, swearing at me to get in the truck, you know, calling me crazy, which was foolish, you know. I can't argue with that. Yeah, well, we all. We all do crazy stuff at times. But getting through, them witnessing that, getting hit by the bolt, flying in the sky, they assumed by the time you hit the ground, you were dead, which is why they took off. Yeah, they said, he's dead, he's dead, let's get out of here. That's what they tell me, I wasn't there. Yeah, you were offline, so to speak. So the theory that I heard was, you know, from the aliens. From the aliens' point of view, the craft was just taking off, you stood up, it just accidentally discharged on you, and killed you. Yeah. And this, the reason they brought you on was more like an ambulance move, was just to bring you back and reanimate you. Have you, you've heard that before? An accident occurred because I made a foolish move, you know, standing up, close the distance between me and it, and this discharge happened. Hmm. I could feel a strange charge in the air before I even got, you know, that close. Oh, that's interesting, so, kind of similar. But I didn't know, I didn't know whether it was from all these weird sounds it was making, or, you know, some things, some energy emanating from the craft itself. But when I stood up, that was when my head was the closest to the surface of it, and then the blast of energy. Now, I didn't see. The energy, you know. You just stood up and, bam, the lights went off. The crew describes it in different ways. One guy described it as a foot-wide beam, like a laser beam. Another said it looked like a long blue flame. So, it was basically, different words used to describe the same visual. Tammy regularly hauls stuff to her house. She brings her kids at college. That's why she shops at BJ's Wholesale Club, saving up to 25% off grocery store prices. Beef jerky, microwave meals, laundry pods, even they can't screw up. Have you met my kids? And with BJ's gas, she gets there for less. They call me the Road Warrior. This is your home, Road Warrior mom. 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Uh, coming out from under cover or, uh, but I was going to run back to the truck and bam. Just felt this electric shock, stunning force go through my body. If you've ever been hit playing football or something, you didn't see it coming. That stunning sort of, it's a feeling of being stunned, you know? Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. I know what electric shock feels like, too. Oh. If you're enjoying your time at the Flying Saucer Diner, take it with you from hats to tees, mugs to this high quality canvas apron, available now. So no idea at the time, once you were out, you were out, and the next thing you knew, you woke up inside. So. Yeah. You know, one of my wonders is, uh, about five days is such a long time to be gone. You know, where did the time occur? Did it. Well. Did they bring you right back into the craft then and. I'd like to know. Yeah. Was I partially revived immediately and then I woke up much later or somewhere in the middle of the five days? Or. Was. Was that waking up on board the craft, uh, almost, uh, immediately after I was taken aboard? Yeah. And what. What's done over five days? There's no. You. You have no physical effects, I mean, after all these years, or. Well, there was one artifact. Brainwave scan. Oh, really? Didn't know you had that done. Yeah. World-famous. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. Uh. There's a famous, uh, brain trauma center, uh, Barrow's Neurological, did the scan. It's where Muhammad Ali went when he, uh, developed problems with brain. And uh, I still have the chart, uh, the printout, um, because there was such hysteria and, and massive attention, they put me into barrows under an assumed name. Really? Yeah, to avoid media attention, which was fortunate because it sort of served as a double blind on the readings that they were going to get on the brainwave. That's a good point. So they found this unusual pattern that the technician described, and I still have the report, but it's an alternating wave moving from front to back, something along that line. I was really curious. I'd love to see a comparison between that. And maybe. Maybe someone who's had other kinds of head trauma or electric shock. Maybe somebody who's been hit by lightning. But I had a subsequent brainwave scan where that was no longer there. So it may have been some residual effect of the healing that I was provided. When did you have, I mean, from the time of the incident to the brainwave scan, was that. All this stuff was almost immediately, you know, the. Oh, it wasn't months later, it was. Right. The doctors that were in. on this you know worse there the next day and dr uh harder uh who performed the uh regressive hypnosis i was so lucky that it was him that did it because he did it in a style a technique to where i was put under as a an observer to what was happening to me rather than the experiencer huh and uh the reason i'm uh in hindsight grateful for that is because one of the crew members went through hypnosis where he was directed to relive it and it was a hugely traumatic for him the description of his uh body uh movements and um i would imagine the reaction was it was probably pretty pretty horrible for him to re-experience it that was not necessary to get at the memory of what happened did you find anything out through hypnosis that you you didn't i mean sometimes it reveals some things here and there was there anything a purpose in the sense that what i recalled i i hadn't i was able to communicate i hadn't even told my brother what had happened i couldn't i was just so extremely traumatized so it removed that to where i could actually talk about it without a secondary negative effect you know that that really aided in my recovery a lot uh dr harder was uh amazingly calming in the in his technique i got rid of a lot of that fear that was i was living with every perfect timing there's sugar there as well if you need oh thank you thanks well that's that's good to hear that something helps because that's a monumental trauma yeah but it didn't it didn't reveal anything that you had forgotten or didn't couldn't pull out of your memory no okay so everything was pretty much while you were conscious yeah you remember everything pretty clearly hmm in a sort of cryptic way you know i had to um conclude certain things based on what i had experienced and what i had experienced and what i had experienced and what i had experienced and what i had experienced and what i had experienced and what i had experienced and what i had experienced you know this must be the the case but i do try to distinguish between what i'm directly experiencing perceiving and what i figure probably explains what i experienced are you still in contact with any other guys what you said i i tried to stay in contact with all of them and write me um you said a few of them have died right yes they did and uh you know i'd contacted dwayne smith and i said hey i'd like you to come out and speak with me and he said sure you know i said but i'm looking really terrible i'm having my teeth redone so let's after i get my teeth redone i'll i'll come out and speak with you and then he passed away right after that oh sorry to hear that yeah it was sad i did tape the conversation though and here this many years later you know his memory was fresh and uh as you know in sync with whatever the rest of us um were there any hard feelings between you and any of the other i think some you know it developed over time at first mike would come out and speak with me or and steve but then steve started to get sort of resentful about it he was asked by one interviewer was there anything you would change about the experience if you could and he said yeah crank up the voltage like he's wishing it had killed me i'd stay dead or something i don't know it wasn't funny to me but wow so he quit coming out with us when when the girls would say how come you didn't get out of the truck and then he developed he tried to come up with alternate explanations okay you know i mean at first you know every time he got a new girlfriend he'd take a new polygraph test and prove it all over again and then he started trying to say well it happened just the way we described it but it was really the government and not aliens not aliens not aliens but it was really the government and not aliens not aliens made it easier to cope with i think that was a sort of a well yeah it's more of a down-to-earth explanation a way that he doesn't have to be afraid at night kind of a thing and and one other thing that developed with steve i felt sorry for him was that i was told by the other crewman that he was one of the ones who was crying when when the lawman came well that was fine with steve at first oh and he doesn't want that spread around and then his cousin i think his uncle one relative started teasing him about being a big cry baby and so he got real angry about no i wasn't crying i never cried i was strong the whole time and so that was his big beef he he demanded that i have the book reprinted to take that out i said holy cow i said steve i wasn't there i was just going by what the others told me yeah yeah mike cried he's not ashamed of that he admits to that yeah that's that's very cry worthy yeah i said i cried might cry you know i don't know how many of the others but he's not a cry baby he's he was strong he just doesn't know it he's not a cry baby he's not a cry baby he's not a cry baby he's not a cry baby i asked that because sometimes you know when you especially once you start getting a lot of attention obviously you got the most attention of any of them the guys there you know hard feelings develop i had that in friends and acquaintances that when you know documentaries are being made about me yeah you didn't include me and you know what the hell and well you really weren't part of it yeah but i knew you back then and you know and then the hard feelings started i'm sorry i can't help it you know yeah when steve said crank up the voltage and they quit coming out with me there was jealousy i can understand being a part of something so incredible and then media or curious people have questions and they rush right past the witnesses to the main guy and i i can't help it yeah so a lot of jealousy developed with uh at least steve and mike and then well then you know in my case then you start getting the detractors that start looking for those people anybody that was close to you that has any negative thoughts and they you know hey can you give us some dirt on them or just trying to create a narrative that yeah contradicts you and it's uh yeah it makes them easier to manipulate and some of that happened you know one detractor uh tracked steve down he he uh um had changed to his real name detractor took him out to dinner and tried to talk him into taking a ten thousand dollar bribe to say it was all made up oh well steve got a free dinner but he didn't get ten thousand dollars and uh that sort of pressure was something that was used on mike too and uh did steve tell you that right after it happened um yeah other researchers also you know interviewed him and asked about things like that but um um that's to be expected but you know i think that's a good point i think that's a good point i think that's a good point i think man you're a part of something like this mess it up by trying to do something to attack somebody just because you're not the middle of the story oh come on you know i wish i wasn't look the movie uh was about the crew boss i wasn't there for most of the movie so my the actor who played me had a minor role the crew boss and that's a good point and some of the other uh um people on the crew had a lot more worldwide attention than me I was just the guy it happened to. 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Products not available in every state. A lot of time's gone by. I mean, decades. What year was that? 1975. It was 75. Yeah, I mean, holy cow, that's a long time ago. Does this ever enter your mind anymore, or is it just people asking you that kind of brings it back? Yeah, well, I'm constantly asked about it, so as much as I try to forget it, I get reminded a lot. Are you recognized when you go out? This happens, yeah. Are you wondering if that's why I grew my beard back again? Yeah. Time goes by. But, you know, over time, you debunkers. have sort of crumbled away, being self-discredited, and more positive evidence comes up, scientific investigation at the site and those sorts of things. But I guess debunkers are always a part of it. They are. I think they're just trying to, like, any time there's something of notoriety happening, you always have people that just will grab onto the coattails so they can get dragged along with it. And if something's getting a lot of attention, they go, oh, no, I know this, the true story. This is a bunch of nonsense. Well, as support for my case grew over time, investigators and media started wanting me to comment on other cases. And I had my hands full with my own case. And I knew that if I gave in to that, if I started, if I started commenting, okay, which cases are the good ones, which ones are the, you know, it would never end. I would be put in the position of passing judgment on people. I said, that's not right. What I objected to so much in my attackers was that they hadn't done the research. If you can't research the case thoroughly, you're not entitled to make opinions. However, you know, in your case, I sort of broke the law. You know, people who expect, express the negative things, I can't break my rule of supporting other cases. I did say, but the description of the craft that Bob Lazar saw is the closest to what we saw than any other case I've ever heard of. And then there were other silly arguments I had to shoot down because they were just so silly. Well, Bob can't be telling the truth because I checked the phone book at Area 51 and he's not in the phone book. And I said, come on, it's secret. They don't put the number in there. What's in there, Bob Lazar, our secret department? You know, that was the silliest attack. One of the silliest. But, you know, I met some people say they used to go out and say, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. uh party with you guys in the desert uh before you ever came out and uh they said bob was telling us that story way back then before anybody knew anything so i i consider that something that really supported your credibility yeah it's uh i don't know there's a lot well they knew you to be employed at area 51. yeah i've had um i was fortunate enough to have george knapp that investigative reporter from las vegas so interested in the story um he was able to verify you know some things here and there i mean he found my phone number in the las alamos phone book at the the lab and um i was able to take him there or show him around and but it wasn't under bob lazar's secret project no no no but um yeah i don't know i guess i don't want to get off on a whole weird tangent but um it's it a lot goes through your mind when you start reliving all that stuff i'm guessing you're kind of like i am i i don't really have any interest in in ufos or stories or things i don't i don't follow them but i don't whether you whether you like it or not people tell you stuff so you begin to hear oh i've i've heard that name i've heard about that incident and you know that that kind of thing but um i was never really interested in the topic i mean before that i never even believed in it i thought you know there were just either experimental government craft or something like that but um you know being involved in the project certainly changed my mind well the reality of it is it's not like some bizarre side story to life it's just what it is you know i mean you know it is as uh traumatic and disrupting as it was to my life there's nothing mystical or magical about it you know it's not anything to um go cultish about it's just the way it is you know and it's people don't understand why my attitude towards them going from invading monsters you know the attitude they had it to something a little more well and i think that's that's a big picture you know you know just in my lifetime the increase in understanding sure from the 70s the size and the age of the universe you know what's the name of that new uh space telescope uh the james webb yeah the james webb is out there getting a clear view of things the story is they pointed it at the emptiest spot in the sky and couldn't get it out of the way and i think that's that's that's kind of the way it is and i think that's kind of the way it is and i think that's kind of the way it is and i think that's the way it is and i think that's kind of the way it is and i think that's kind of the way it is and could see hundreds of galaxies not just stars entire galaxies you know the milky way is one galaxy the one we live in and yet this size and scope of the universe was expanded so much by the james webb telescope because it's far bigger and it's not just everything's moving away from us which i think was which i think was an artifact of um the um what they thought they were seeing um but it makes you think that because that implied that there was a center to the universe and that you know it had edges and now they're going to have to face the fact that it's infinite i think it's much bigger than they're even thinking now i mean you know 50 years ago you know if you looked on a map of the known universe it was about that james webb made it bigger and i think it's even larger than that you know but like they said from assuming measurements are accurate everything's not moving away from a central point everything's moving away from everything else and the only situation where that occurs is if you take a balloon make a bunch of dots on it and it's not moving away from a central point everything's moving away from everything else and then blow it up everything moves away from everything else so it's almost like we're on the skin of something well yeah i mean that's at least that's the way it exists in my mind to yeah to deal with it uh it could be possible that uh that is an an artifact of the amount of size and distance that's involved here that uh gives the illusion that that's the case um it could very well be a big illusion too What if our measurements, the redshift and, you know, what we're using to gauge distances, what if that's not accurate? Then it kind of throws off everything that we're. Well, maybe you could explain this to me. Maybe I'm not bright enough, but say there's a beam of light going right here between us. They're saying it's 186,000 miles per second. And nothing in the universe can go faster. Now, if you were traveling along that beam at, say, half the speed of that beam and showing the light forward, what's going to happen? The beam that you're shining is obviously the speed of light plus the half speed that you're on. Yeah, but it doesn't work that way. And that's what they're saying. Yeah. It makes no sense. It makes no sense at all. But that's the way it is. Okay, if you say so. Yeah, yeah. It's relative. They call it relative. Yeah, it's. Relative speed. You know, if you're on a train and you want to calculate the speed of a bullet that you fire, you know, the speed of that bullet relative to the ground outside is the speed of the bullet plus the speed of the beam. And you're saying, but with light, that's a special case. Yeah. It's always the same speed no matter what. Okay. All right. Have it. It's like an article of faith. It's not logical. Well, I mean, it kind of depends how you look at it. But the rules change when you get to maximums and minimums. You know, when you go really small and get into the quantum era, all of a sudden the rules don't apply. And it's a whole new set of rules. It's a whole new set of physics. And look, we really don't know for sure exactly how anything works. You know, there have been old theories that, you know, the light really isn't even moving, that it's just like a river and everything's already moving at that speed. And, I mean, it's difficult to completely prove. What we think. There's a lot of theories. And there are a few hard proofs to back them up. So, to a degree, there's faith that this is involved. Oh, there's, you know, the edges of physics get into some really magical thinking. Maybe one more. One more, yeah. Would you like some water as well? Sure. Yeah? Yeah. And I noticed, did you guys leave your briefcase down there under the table? Oh. Well, you know, you have to adjust and say, okay, there's really no such thing as a photon. Okay. Have it your way. I take it that's not yours? It either is or it isn't. But, see, that's what happens when you get into exotic physics. It's magical thinking. All right. And the isms, the platitudes are a product of allowing people to get comfortable with things that otherwise don't add up. Do you trust modern physics? Well. Do you think there's a lot of holes in it? The conclusions are hard and fast. If they could just add as if. It's as if this beam of light is this and this speed is being registered in this way. But you can explain it however you want. Here's your water, sir. Thank you. Things that are just contrary to common sense and basic logic. Yeah, it's hard to digest that stuff. Don't carry a lot of weight with me. I know that, you know, thousands of hardcore physicists would disagree with me. No, no, that's the way it is. Get on that beam of light. Go three-fourths the speed of it. Shine that beam of light. And the beam of light that you're shining isn't going the speed plus the speed. Okay. Yeah. Have it your way. Well, the bottom line, no one has actually done it before, so there's no direct proof that that happens. So this briefcase that someone left here. Open the files. Spooky. Spooky. I'm perfectly aware that all of these very knowledgeable and well-educated people will say, no, you got it wrong, you know. No matter where you are on that speed of light, on that beam of light, it's still going the same speed. Mm-hmm. Have it your way. Yeah. Everything's relative except light. That's what they're telling me. Wow. Yeah, see, you saw. That's an old jet-powered car I made a long time. That was back in, oh, it was in Los Alamos, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a lot of stuff on me. What kind of gas models you get? You get jokes like that. Yeah. Yeah. There's my W-2 from Department of Naval Intelligence. That's another thing that really, although I don't follow UFO lore too much, but more and more you hear about sightings, stuff that are either over the ocean, over water, underwater. Coming out of the water. Yeah. And I was paid. And then apparently the Navy was the ones, you know, running the show. So I just, I wonder if they were the first ones to run into the craft and they were just left in control of it. Because if anything, you thought it would be the Air Force. Wow. There's proof. I didn't need proof. I know you really worked there. And there's. Oh, these are the archways I was talking about. And, you know. Okay. Yeah. I may have had that. I just. It was not steady in it. Did it. Did the craft glow or like. Yeah, it was glowy. What? Do you remember the color? It was a kind of a soft towards a yellow end of the spectrum. Okay. It seemed to hear that a lot. 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This is what made me believe, at least. part of the Billy Myers story, because that looks so much like the craft yeah and does it kind of look familiar to you i mean yeah it looks so much like it um but uh you know i think my case and even your case contributed to the idea that ufos are all flying discs but no i mean some of them are circular yeah some of them are triangular yeah these days i i wonder if just time has gone on and just like car models things have changed or maybe the technology has changed or maybe maybe we're seeing visitors from somewhere else now that have their own fear on well i know people uh that i believe that saw them that were uh they call it tic-tac-tac but you know it's a sort of a capsule sort of a like a vitamin pill or something you know like a sphere would be if you stretched it out they call that tic-tac but I'm sure the candy manufacturer will appreciate the analogy. Yeah, they should ride the wave and make UFO packaging or something. Do you want me to clear anything away for you? Make this hot. Okay, sure. And yeah, there's a gentleman over there that said there was two folders in the briefcase. We have just found number two. Wow. I'll be right back. Oh, this looks like you. Man, there's Travis's safe, down-to-earth judgment. This is all you. Yeah. Was that your car? Yeah. Nice car, yeah. That thing would go over 150 in a quarter mile. Really? Yeah, it was incredible. Okay, so that wasn't stock. You did some. No, it had over 500 horsepower from the factory, but it had enhancements on it beyond that. Yeah, it looked like you were saying, what if a daredevil, you're into fighting too, huh? Yeah. My first three bouts, I won by knockout in the first round. No kidding. Yeah. And, you know, it was just a minor excursion into boxing. I was mostly into the Asian martial arts, various styles at the time. Now I can really see you come out fighting when you're on that table. It's jumping off. Oh, so this is, you know, the hangar or other shit. Yeah. And now I'm wondering, was this, am I assuming the shape? Because I could only see it from this side. If there was, if it was more elongated, I wouldn't know. Because I, you know, wasn't studying it. I just looked over quickly as we left this large enclosure. And, and, uh, this very smooth, uh, chrome, uh, thing reflecting everything around it. So, chrome. So it was really. Polished metal, yeah. Hmm. Okay. I didn't realize that was the configuration. So you came out of the, the craft here. It seemed bigger at this point. So it could have been a bigger craft. I don't know. And then went into yet another. Um, room where they rendered me unconscious. Hmm. How big, well, yeah, you, you wouldn't know. I'm just wondering how big of a diameter you thought that was. But it, it would be hard to say with. Yeah. This I found fascinating, the chair. Did you ever sit in the chair or just? Yeah. Again, there's conflicting stories. I squeezed into it. Yeah. Did you? Okay. Yeah. And some of the films they have, you just touch it and, and you saw the star pattern. Mm-hmm pop up. Was there a screen in front of you or did you see it all around you? It was all around me. Yeah. Thank you. So it wasn't something that was projected. It just appeared all around. Yeah. But it was only visible while I was in the chair or next to it, if I was farther away from it. In any way, it was just dark. Oh, all right. That's. The stars just appeared or apparently they were just visible to the, whoever was in the chair. That's interesting. Movement moved the star pattern, but not. Was there a joystick or something? Yeah. Or was it? Okay. But not relative to each other. The whole thing moved, you know, which was, uh, kind of affected my balance. For a second, you know, because everything around me, every reference point of where I was standing was moving. Um, Did you feel, did you feel that was like in real time looking outside or were you, did you feel like this is more of a map room? No, I was in a panic. I wanted out and I was just looking for a button to open a door and get me out of there. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm sure that's the case. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah, so here's the arches that you were talking about, see, from my point of view, I was looking more to the bottom side, so the top side, the surface could have been, but it looked like that. Yeah. And that was giving off a light. It wasn't burning me. It didn't seem hot in that sense. Did the guys in the truck ever relate to you where it. Looked like the beam came from, was it just the side of the ship or something in particular? Well, they were, you know, pretty much saying that. Okay. It, that was also the closest point of surface next to me. So if it was some kind of, um, accumulated energy discharging, it would just be because I was close to it. Now the artist put a tree there that. Yeah, I don't give it. It would have been the point of discharge, the grounding. The, uh, effect would have gone through it. I was the closest thing. So before you got knocked out, you're crouching behind there and you hear the thing powering up while it's powering up, did you, did you perceive or see anything? Was there any kind of distortion outside or any, any light or glow around the ground or anything that would. No, just the vibration you could, uh, feel. As much as say, feel in your body, the high, the high, high frequency that seemed to change with the position of your head and the really low rumble that you just felt in your bones more than through your ears. I can imagine that must've been just frightening of something. I was, Oh, what did I do? What did I do? You know, I'm, I'm this close. I was thinking it was going to shoot off before. I even got close. You know, that was normal thing. You encounter wildlife and you jump out and it's going to be running away from you, right? Jumpsuits every they're always wearing jumpsuits. Yeah. So did they, well, except in scary invading monsters movies, they're always naked because then you get to show you have to show the scales and the grueling. That's a monster effect. Yeah. Right. Uh, so the eyes, a lot of times in other witnesses and, uh, report solid black eyes, but these were, these were, yeah, they had pupils and I think had to do with the size of their eyes made to gather light, extremely dim light in a low light environment. But in this ambient light here, it would be way too bright for them, a lot, an eye that size. So I think it was some kind of a contact lens sort of effect that may have been biologically developed to protect the eye or maybe something they insert or something. Sunglasses on a contact lens. Yeah. That kind of thing. Was it brightly lit in this room? Well, it, it hurt my eyes to look at it, but it. It was pretty dim. Hmm. Okay. But yeah, you're looking, feeling your back, you're looking straight at the light. Straight up at it. Is that about this, the right height? Yeah, I think they were shorter than that, but you know. Okay. You got to judge the perspective of who's standing where. It was shorter than four feet, but. But no, no noise, never used their mouths or anything. And, and it didn't express emotions, just, just were afraid of you and. Well, I have a theory about that, you know, that if they truly are telepathic, then facial expression is obsolete. They can say everything to each other without moving the muscles in their face at all. Do you felt that they felt your intentions? Um, I don't know. You were combative and they started. If they, if they felt anything, they felt sheer terror. and panic, and, you know, a threat that were in response but they get out you grab the rod or whatever that was they put their hands up and they just calmly walk out and turn right and go down they didn't run like they were afraid they were they scurried pretty quickly oh they did okay again some of the other stuff i saw had them you know calmly walking out and i'm surprised they even turned their back on you with you uh no they just you know made a run for it and of course the physiques here male and female are quite over emphasized that's really interesting artist impression yeah but these are clearly human compared to anyone else on the card you know interesting you got a hair length differential longer for the male that's yeah that's very earth like earth custom yeah but if they were trying to simulate something i would accept as human that would be the way they'd do it it's interesting that they'd have two species working together that's uh well i don't know if they're working together i don't know they knew at that point my hysteria prevented telepathic control or communication and i'm not sure if that's true or not i'm not sure if that's true or not i'm not sure if that's true and i'm not going to cooperate with them and i'm going to die if they don't get me somewhere else for further treatment so they needed something i would trust now whether this was some kind of um creation uh like a mechanical device or uh something in a species that looks very human um i don't know they sure looked like people to me when you grab my arm i felt like a person would who would grab grab you and i think somebody said you described these guys as really strong yeah they held on to you yeah well i was in a weakened condition but once they got me down on the table you know i started to fight them and i was outnumbered too and whatever this device was as soon as they put that on you you were yeah they were out probably some sort of anesthetic you know no it's no hose connected to it but maybe it was generated from the part that was being held now i was describing these craft i just you know could glance over and see them whether there was where they were actually disc shaped or or made more elongated i don't know because i was very concerned with where you're taking me yeah i can't imagine the feeling of walking out there and now you're in this completely strange place there's other and he's not answering any questions yet but i was controlling that because the helmet may have been preventing him from here hearing me or speaking so these guys didn't have helmets no just this is the only guy that had yeah so so you know when they got me out of here into the room where these people were um i was renewing my efforts to get an answer no helmet uh as an excuse i need to know what are you doing to me what what is this what were those creatures and all those kind of things just babbling and getting no response just force me down and put that over my head and i was like i'm not going to do that i'm not going to do that i'm face. Now, probably my guess is to continue whatever medical treatments might have been underway when I regained consciousness. How did you feel at this point? Did you feel like you were still in pain and damaged from the shock? The air seemed cooler and easier to breathe out there. And I was surprised that the surface was so easy to, it wasn't slippery. As steep as it was, I could walk down it in a weakened condition. On PrizePix, you can make a difference. You can make all the picks you want, all in the same app. PrizePix, run your game. Tammy regularly hauls stuff to her kids at college. Home of the save. Join for just $20 at BJ's.com slash mesquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months. Open soon. BJ's, home of the save. It's like a close-up of one of the eyes. Oh, so here, yeah, here's that room we were talking about. Okay, so that's where the guy with the helmet came on. And actually, the viewpoint from right here was probably black. You could only see stars if you're standing over here, but I don't know. I couldn't be two places at once. What do we got here? It says two related cases, Bill Herman, 1978, Jesse Rosenberg, 1954. I haven't heard of any of that. But then you and I are not students of the genre. No. No, but that does look like there are guys there. Hmm. Oh, and as do these guys. Oh, yeah. So that's, these are cases reporting. Yeah, similar things to you. And this was after mine, and this one was before mine. I wonder. This looks kind of like I'm more a 1950s. Mm-hmm. Oh, now I got it wrong. This is 78. So this is the one that's after yours. And this is from the 50s. Hmm. Interesting case, huh? Yeah. Like I said, I haven't studied any other cases. Yeah, hairstyles are interesting, I think. Mm-hmm. Oh. All right, well, what else do we have in here? Not sure what that is. I'll let you push the button. Is it ticking? I don't know. No, I'm kidding. Oh, this is a simile of my badge there. Wow. It had no other surprises in there. Area 52 card. Did you push the button? No. Do you want me to? Well, we might. Uh-huh. I'll put it closer to you. Yeah. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Okay. Not sure what that did, but hopefully nothing serious. Well, interesting dossier there. Mm-hmm. You know, there are so many. UFO stories, and I've heard other people say that before. There's so many crashes, and, you know, you hear the detractors say, you know, a very valid point. They travel these great distances, and they come here and just crash, you know, left and right, and how can there be so many crashes with, you know, advanced technology, and, um. That's a good question, yeah. It seems. Unfortunate that they aren't better drivers than that. Yeah, if they are. I mean, there's just so, so many theories, so many thoughts, and so much incorrect information. Yeah. Um, I had people recently said they wanted to make a film or documentary on me, and they said, we're going to send you the script. I said, you have the script? And, you know, they sent it to me, and I looked through it. I said, that has nothing to do. At all, was what happened to me. I said, well, we got it all off the internet. Yeah, well, that doesn't mean it's real. Some very creative people on the internet. Yeah, it's, uh. Unfortunately. Yeah, it's incredible. Incredible amount of incorrect information. But some of the theories kicked around are fascinating. You know, some that say that they're not even from space or other planets. They're just, they're us from the future coming back to check on ourselves. I've heard that theory and I'm not going to argue about it because I'm just sticking to what I experienced. Right, yeah. You tell me. Yeah, that's the standing I take. You hear plenty of things, you might be told things even from officials, but you just have to stick with what you know, you felt, you touched, you saw and draw the line there because everything else is guesswork. Yeah, or somebody's theory or whatever. It may or may not be true, but I didn't personally experience it. So I try to just stick to my story and not talk or study the phenomenon. For one thing. You and I both know there's a mixture of things that are going on. Some of them are hardcore nuts and bolts, you know, it was like, you know, and also other things that are U.S. government attempts to create something that will pass. And there's also misidentified. And there's also misidentified objects. There's complete hallucinations and made up fabrications. Sometimes people, you know, just see a light in the distant sky and their enthusiasm and emotions embellish, I guess is the word. So there's mistaken identification, too. I think the hardcore events are actually a small percentage. I think a very small percentage because the others so outweigh it and it muddies the water so much. Maybe intentionally. I wondered about that. Do you suppose all these stories are floating around out there just for camouflage? Oh, I'm sure some are. There's no doubt in my mind that some are intentionally there to confuse things or just stories put out about witnesses or. I don't know. Do you have a feeling about the intention of the government's position relative to the public? You know, we know that way back used to be total denial. It's all nonsense. Everything's made up or crazy stuff and there's no such thing. And the longer they stuck with that, the more the credibility was being damaged on their part rather than on the witnesses. Right. So they finally had to say, OK, let's concede something in order to reestablish our credibility. So late on a Friday, they say, here's gun camera footage from this jet. This is something that has. Power is beyond anything we have. We don't know what it is. It's not ours. And, you know. Like I say, late on a Friday and news day news goes dead until Monday. Monday came around and. No reaction. What? Wait a minute. We just made this earth shattering admission. So the government actually issued. Issued. That admission, quote, unquote, twice late on a Friday, gun camera footage. Look, there is something that has maneuverability beyond anything we have. It's not ours. We don't think it's other countries either. And that was they left it open, though. I'm just saying what they said. They they just said this is something that we don't have. So, of course, that would immediately raise. The fear of what it is. What if it is something possessed by other countries? I personally don't believe that's the case, but I don't know. So it could be anything. I think they have a long way to go to get credibility back. Maybe they've made the mistake of lying for way, way too long. Yeah. And I think that started a long time ago. And, you know, as I've said, you could. And others have said, too. So it's, you know, if you want to keep the technology secret, we all understand that's powerful technology, but you don't have to keep the story secret. OK, we hey, we found something from somewhere else. We know they consider themselves responsible. And if there's a high tech thing that they can't thwart, you know, that's their role. We're we're here to defend you against whatever might be there. You would. If you think it would create alarm, I don't I don't think it is a threat. But on the other hand, the military's justification for even looking at this is, is it a threat? So they can study it and be involved in it and all that. If they if they said it wasn't, then why are they even messing with it? Well, right. So maybe that is allowed to languish the idea that it's a threat. But I don't think it's a threat. You know, these reports have been around for decades. Even longer than that. I think a technology that advanced, if they wanted to remove us and become the dominant species on this planet, we'd never know what hit us. They could do it overnight. I agree with you 100 percent. So I don't I don't see a threat to worry about. But I also don't think of any sinister intention on the part of the government with the position they've taken. They're forced to do what they're doing. Well, it's their job. Well, so many people say it's our government. We can tell them, throw open the books and tell everybody what's going on. Well. We have a couple of other superpowers on the planet that might love to know what we've harvested. And is it something that they can overcome or not? And so as long as we keep our stuff secret, they don't dare make a move. Could be some kind of a detente sort of balance of power thing that. We need to maintain that secrecy just for national security. And you couldn't say, well, ah, I'll show you mine if you show me yours, because are they really giving you the full story or are they just doing giving you some token pieces of information to get at what you're holding? You know, that's what they would do. Yeah. Everybody. So it can't be done. And so it's it's probably a pretty good safety chain on the whole mess to have the books slam tight. A lot of people don't understand me on that. And you want, you know, are you taking the government side? Well, in this case, I think their secrecy is justified and necessary. Yeah, I still I agree with that, but I think they could still just loosen their belts. A little bit. Well, in admitting that there's something which they've done and the public says, well, that's not enough. Yeah. So what else is new and big deal? You know, we want more like free energy. Can't do that. Well, you know, it would destroy the monetary systems of the planet to have free energy. What do you think would happen overnight if energy could be free? Just that. Well, we'd have a big problem. Well, especially if we'd have a big problem, any big leap in technology would really collapse our economy. Yeah. Even if we could. Even if they didn't weaponize it, which they would immediately. How can we use this to defeat our enemies? Yeah, that's going to be step. One is turn it into a weapon, but any advanced technology, even if we could teleport from place to place or jump like these guys do great distances where you don't need cars. Suddenly, if you don't need cars, planes or the post office or anything, you can get anywhere you want to do immediately. Nobody has a job. Everything's a support service for those or part of those. Yeah. And same thing with energy. The whole. World economy. Yeah. So I don't know what you do with really advanced technology. It's too big. I mean, technology could be too good to release. Yeah. I think the situation, we're stuck with it. People need to be far more understanding than they are to be granted much more than what they're getting. You know, we fancy ourselves as civilized people. You know, we leave the building here and we drive down the streets and everything's fine. But the truth is, from the alien's point of view, the natives are getting restless. We're a bunch of savages constantly at each other's throat, killing each other at phenomenal rates. How many thousand this week? Come on. You know, they can even talk about that on TV and, you know, that's not incredibly alarming. Not anymore, no. Now it's just something. Well, the aliens see it all. And not the polished, optimized side. So, aside from being shot out, just seeing us behave, how we behave towards each other, I can understand perfectly why they would not come down and share advanced technology with us. That would be a foolish thing to do. That's like giving up. Three-year-old, a loaded gun. Yeah, exactly. I would make the same move they did. But, of course, it makes you wonder what they're doing here. Is it just a Disneyland thing or you should stop by Earth and check out the natives there? Well, the Europeans started exploring the world. They encountered cultures that were, you know, basically in the Stone Age. And the contact was very destructive. So, they weren't ready for all that came with it, especially not things like modern firearms and whatnot. Yeah, advanced technology contact is always destructive. It's never worked out well in history. But, does that mean that we're just left to stew in our own juices? I think the aliens have a structure. They have a strategy. I mean, this is just my own theory. They observe our behavior. And I've made the advanced a theory that UFO sightings are not accidental. Where they're just, oh, humans spotted us again. We're going to have to be more careful. You think they're intentional? I think they're intentional. You know, I think they could do everything they're doing here and remain undetected. But, what's allowed to be seen is a reminder, you know, a hint. They're just a tease? Yeah, things could be a lot better if we would just get our act together. Hmm. That'd be great if that was accurate. Well, just the awareness that there's a better way, a different way, a more advanced way. Could maybe inspire some leaders to want to pull us in that direction, make us compatible with more advanced societies. But, we're a bunch of savages at this point. Yeah, it's going to be a different set of leaders, I think. I don't think anyone's thinking along those lines. At the moment, anyway. You're not much of a coffee drinker, are you? No. I just drink a hot beverage to keep my vocal cords from getting hoarse. Did you ever drink coffee? I mean, when you were younger? Back when I was working at the paper mill. I went graveyard shift with every third shift. Go to work at midnight. Coffee. You got to stay awake somehow. So, that was the first time I really drank coffee. My mother was a coffee drinker, but I never drank it until I started doing shift work. And that was just to survive graveyard, the midnight shift. Yeah, I can usually have two cups on the third one. I started getting shaky. I'll definitely do it. That's why she shops at BJ's Wholesale. BJ's Wholesale Club, saving up to 25% off grocery store prices. Home of the Save. Open soon. The NBA's back on prize picks. Pick a shootout in the West. And a boards battle in the East. On prize picks, you can make all the picks you want. All in the same app. And now, prize picks is available nationwide. Download the prize picks app today and use code SPOTIFYED. That's code SPOTIFYED to get $150 instantly in lineups if you win your first $5 lineup. Prize picks, run your game. Visit prizepicks.com for restrictions and details. Download the prize picks app today and use code SPOTIFYED to get $150 instantly in lineups if you win your first $5 lineup. I try to distinguish between what happened, what I can report factually, accurately, and just what's my own theory, you know. And I'm sure you don't agree with all of my theories, but nobody does. And that's fine and dandy, you know, no problem. Well, they're your theories, you know. And I'm the same way. I draw a hard line between what I know, what I experienced, and what I believe might be true and what I've heard from others. I don't let them ever cross over. It's really, there's just so much incorrect information to dig through. It would be great to know what's accurate and what's not. Have there been that? Many crashes. Are all those abduction stories real or not? Certainly some are. The Betty and Barney Hill story, you've probably heard that. And, you know, I firmly believe that occurred. I firmly believe, you know, what happened to you occurred. And there are so many other instances. It would be great to know. You know, I had an instance that happened when I was probably first grade or, you know, when I was very, very young. That I was awakened in the middle of the night by a small being, large eyes, big white head. Really? Wearing a black jumpsuit. But I didn't call it an alien. It was just a little man. This was when you were like one year old? Wow, I never heard this. My sister, who is still alive, remembers me insisting that this happened. And she, but she says, no, it was a dream. It was a dream. And so, all right, believe what you want. You know, I've been alive for 72 years. I've never believed a dream was real. That really happened. I didn't call it an alien. It was just a little man with a big bald head and bald eyes. I didn't call them aliens. In those days, aliens were my favorite Martian. Oh, right. Two little antennas that would sprite from a human's head. What do you remember from that? It was very hot, and we had huge coolers mounted on the roof of the house, blowing down through the hallway and out, and that was one way to stay cool. So we'd, instead of sleeping in our bedrooms, we'd bring bedrolls and lay in the hallway. So I was awakened by something lifting my bedroll from the bottom end. Wow. My legs were lifted into the air, and I woke up. What is this? I mean, that's not a way a dream happens, you know? It's not a dream. You know, this was happening, and I saw the little man that was lifting the bedroll, and I called out, and he dropped it and turned to run away, and I jumped up and ran after him. and I was unable to catch up with him. He disappeared in the house. We had a huge house, 21 rooms. Wow. Yeah, it used to be the mayor of Phoenix's residence. But my mom was able to buy it in its later years and convert the upstairs rooms into rooms that she rented out. Oh, okay. To pay the bills. And she had an answering service downstairs to pay the bills. So you lost him in the running amounts? There was upstairs and an attic and a bottom stair and a basement and spaces under the house that us kids explored and found. There were secret passages all over that house. Sounds like a fun place for a kid. Yeah, it was. We found all kinds of things there. But the little man disappeared. And I spent days trying to find out how he got away. That doesn't sound like a dream to me either. And it wasn't terribly frightening. I didn't call it, oh, an alien was trying to get me or anything. It was just this little man woke me up, you know. But my sister doesn't believe me. She thinks I had a vivid dream. She believes that I believe it. But anyway, he was wearing the black jumpsuit that Betty Hill describes. Yeah. And that's, I've never really touted that story very much because it was just me with no witnesses. Right. And so take it or leave it, I believe it. But I don't expect anybody to believe anything of this nature without some sort of evidence, you know. Yeah, that doesn't happen. Other witnesses, physical evidence, that kind of stuff. Hmm. That is interesting. Isn't it? Most of the stories I've heard, the limited stories I've heard of people, any interaction with aliens, whether it's abductions, whatever, it seems to be more than once. They seem to come at an early time in their life and then later on. So, I mean, that's. You've probably heard me talk about my anthill theory. You know, if you're walking by an anthill, you don't stop and say, hey, I think I'll stop and have a conversation with that ant right there. Right. That was how I viewed it before, about people saying that aliens came and contacted them. But now, I think that if you saw one when you were younger and one when you were older, they know it's you, that there's a connection between the two. Yeah, there's a reason. There is a reason. There's a basis for that. They have huge heads and a lot of intelligence. And I draw the analogy to the Utah Data Center. That's a government computer complex covering acres in Utah that requires millions of gallons of water just to keep it cool. And it supposedly, reportedly, is recording every electronic transmission on the face of the earth. Now, if mere humans can keep. track of that much information, a super advanced species can probably do it in their head. But the idea that there's a connection between these events is, I think, quite plausible. I do, too. And not accidental, intentional for some reason. No, I think that once they find a person or are interested in a person, I think they. they just want to keep tabs on them for some reason in some way. But I definitely have not tried to promote the idea that, see, that means I'm something special. They're interested in me because I have qualities they like or something. Who knows what their reason might be. But that's definitely not it. I've never sought any notoriety. I never sought out an interview or. um. any sort of public appearance. They always invite me. I don't ever seek them, so. And other than that, I just keep to myself, so. Yeah, you sound like me. Even the book I wrote. I don't even publish that I wrote a book or advertise it anywhere. People find out it's there and available and they seek me out and order them. But other than that, I. Yeah. My wife thinks I'm crazy. Come on, get out there and advertise it. You'd sell a million of them, but. It's not you. No, not me. But it's steadily keeping me busy for the last 50 years. Or 40-some years. Well, I'm glad we had time to sit down and talk. Yeah. Keep the waitress busy, keeping this. I just wanted to let you know that it's on the house for you this afternoon. Oh, well, thank you, that's great. We thank you for joining The Flying Seltzer. Well, thank you for your service. Thank you. Have a great afternoon. You too. 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