Bob Lazar & Luigi Vendittelli - IPN Live Show Portland

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It's pretty cool Something you might not know about Nelson As well, if you follow My channel you might, but This is actually something we all have in common Is, Nelson first of all got me he is the reason i started area 52 uh which is very cool like we were talking about remote viewing um and how so he was it's a very strange story but uh somebody reached out to him on a facebook group that he was on a memory group and it was like this guy recruiting people for like some hedge fund who wanted to train people to remove you the stock market memory athletes memory athletes specifically and so instantly i was like whoa like that's so compelling you know You're putting money, you're putting an actual number on this thing that I thought was not real. And they taught him, and he did fairly well. He had some incredible hits, and then he taught me, and I got so fascinated that I documented my journey, and I was going to post it on my magic channel, and I was like, this isn't for them. They're not going to like it, and they're not going to understand, they're not going to go deep enough, they're not going to go into the research. And so I started Area 52, and so you're directly responsible for the channel. Thank you. Thank you, Nelson. And that was a huge catalyst for me, too, because who's been watching Area 52 since the beginning, by the way? Yeah, those, I want Chris to bring back those early investigations because I absolutely loved watching these two go down that rabbit hole of remote viewing, and that's actually what led me to reach out to Chris and ask him to come on my show, and then that led to me going to Monroe Institute, and both of us sort of having out-of-body experiences, And you having out-of-body experiences, so yeah, there's some interesting overlap. Yeah, there's like an interesting energy here that brought us all together, and I'm very happy that we did make it here. Speaking of which, there is another interesting energy that we've attracted, and that's all of you, and I've asked you in an email to provide me with perhaps an experience that some of you have been through, and a lot of you came through. A ton of submissions, so I want to thank you, first of all, for all of that. That's incredibly, I mean, it's not lost on me that it takes a lot to share that and volunteer yourself to be a guest on this show. And I believe somebody who we chose is here tonight. I'm looking, yep. And what is the gentleman's name, Yoni? Or Christy is? Salvatore, that's right. Salvatore is here tonight. sorry I forgot the name I read through I think 30 submissions like literally some of you some of you wrote me a whole chapter but very compelling you know nonetheless I'd interview all of you so thank you so much for everybody just actually putting yourselves out there but I would love to bring out our guest a local from Oregon that has a story to tell, let's give it up for Salvador Keep it going! I'm going for Salvatore, everybody. You prefer Salvador or Salvatore? Am I saying it wrong? Salvatore or just Sal. Or just Sal. I like Sal. Sal seems like a chill guy. Salvatore, Sal, you had a really compelling story. You actually have, like, a lot of history with the phenomenon, it seems like. And I want to get into everything, but, you know, obviously, it might have to be a separate episode. Understandable. Yes, but I would like you, there's a story right at the top that you told, and I would love if you could share that with the audience tonight. Yes, it was September 30th, 2023, driving on Route 99 between Eugene, Oregon, and McMinnville, Oregon, where I live. Shout out McMinnville. Two-lane highway. We had just got. We had just got done doing a full moon ritual with some friends, and. Wait. Don't gloss over that. The hell does that mean? Like, what is this? I just, like, did you turn into a werewolf? I don't know what that means. What is a full moon ritual, if you don't mind? For me, it's goddess-orientated, and I have a minimum of 15 years of Western esoteric magic behind me. Amazing. And at least five years of Shakta Tantra behind me. Wow. Which I had no choice to go towards, because as you discover what you're supposed to do on this planet, that's what you should do. Incredible. Very cool. Still not sure what the ritual is, but yeah, let's move on. So, we're driving north on 99, 99W it's called. And I notice at a certain point, there's a vehicle tailing me extremely hard with one headlight. And, you know, I always have a mantra on my mind while I drive, though it's a dangerous thing to do, because driving is not the time to go into any kind of a trance state or anything like that. You know? You need to focus on the road. But it's just a, it's a mindful practice to always stay present. And I bring that up because that's my life. You know, that's what I do. But anyhow, I'm driving my wife, Natalie, who is here next to me to my right in the passenger seat. It's dark out, close to midnight, between 11 and 12. And to the right, out of nowhere, there's a vehicle behind me. Like, tailing me really hard. And just when I get to the point where I'm like, man, something doesn't seem right. Like, does this person want to kill us? You know? All of a sudden, an extremely bright green with a tiny bit of purple, but predominantly green, what looked like a comet, exploded. Very low to the ground, just to our right. And I've seen multiple, um, the meteor showers. Yeah, the Perseids. Yeah, like the meteors freaking across. This is not like that. This was big, close. It should have hit the ground. It lit everything up. Like, the whole inside of the vehicle. And what appeared from it, instead of smashing into the ground, was a silver, classic-shaped flying saucer. Which somewhat looked like that, but more seamless. Wow. More perfect. Um, and it had all white lights flashing around it. I'm not good with noticing heights, like 100 feet, 300 feet. But if I had to guess, I'd say 100's too low, 400's too high, maybe a couple hundred feet to start. Just to our right. The whole situation lasted. It lasted about a minute, which, that's a long time. That's a very long time, yeah. And I don't think it left our view until we just couldn't see it anymore. Because, you know, it's very pastoral, that drive, but you get pockets of trees, a lot of farmland. And it slowly hovered towards, you know, our right, away from us, starting very close to our right side. And it slowly hovered towards our right, away from us, starting very close to our right side. And, um, man, you know, as soon as that happened also, I noticed that that vehicle was not behind me anymore. And that was very strange to me, you know? Like, what happened to the vehicle? And that was a single light behind you, right? A single light. Yeah. And it was like a car from the 1980s. I don't know what. Interesting. You know. So the disc is in this clearing as you're moving past, like, these farmland, these trees. It's a silver disc. What time of day is it again? It's between 11 and 12 at night. Okay. So it's pretty dark, but you're seeing it illuminated because of the lights that are on it? Because of the white flashing lights that are flashing in a circular, all around it. Oh, wow. You know, and it was, to be more exact, I mean, I have pinpoint location. I can point to you on a map where this happened. And, you know, it was on Route 99, just past Monroe, Oregon, which is a town of a few hundred people. Yeah. Wow. I mean, give it up for Sal here. That's an amazing sighting. What did you do in that moment? Did you feel like, I need to pull over? I need to keep going? Were you like, what? Was that, like, what was the reaction and what happened after that? There was definitely an adrenaline spike when it happened. I mean, I don't care how much meditation you do. You know, this was very nuts and bolts on the ground. And I'm driving, you know. I don't care how many astral experiences you have, conscious outside of the body. You're driving. You've got to be focused. So, and I think that's what was, out of all the amazing experiences I've had outside of being right here in the body, this was just so amazing. And my wife didn't want to talk about it at first. You know, she was just like, I need to process this, you know. And I said, look, we've got to talk about it, you know. And I mean, there's the conversations. They have not ceased in our small household. I bet. Is she here tonight? She is. Oh, nice. Yeah. Good job. Shout out to the plus ones, by the way. Great time to call out the plus ones. Thank you. Plus twos. Everybody joining who's been dragged here against their will also. We appreciate you. We really do. And, you know, just suspend all the things that you have in your mind, the preconceived notions. Hang out with us in this weird little, you know. Space, thank you. But, uh, yeah, that's really, that's really remarkable. But, uh, Michael, do you have a question? Yeah. Well, two things come to mind for me right away is despite the fact that it was nuts and bolts. Do you think the fact that you were doing this ritual or the fact that it was a full moon could have something to do with it? Like it, it makes me think of like, you know, John keel talking about window areas or there being like these times where the veil is thinner, where things may be able to like poke through or something. Did you get that? Kind of a sense? Absolutely. Because yeah, there's no doubt about it that, uh, you know, and you know, I, I was kind of, when I told this story to move on when they interviewed me. Oh, you reported this. I did. Absolutely. Very cool. Okay. It took a little courage, you know, like it, it took me a little time. Good for you. Yeah. But it's like, I couldn't get through the interview without bringing up, bringing up my spiritual work. Cause I spend a lot of time in the temple space, you know, I sacrifice fun times for that, but the temple space becomes fun times, even though it seems boring, but, um, there's just no doubt about it. And I've had prior experiences, you know, that, that kind of prove that. And I mean, I could literally talk all day if I get too much into that, but the short answer is definitely yes. So the, the, the moon has something to do with thinning the veil. Is that, well, I mean, that's kind of just like common lore, right? That like when it's a full moon, there's like sort of a, yes, that the moon, but also do you, do you only do ritual during the full moon or no, no. Do you, do you do ritual? Do you sit there as boring as it is and do it when you don't feel like it, how much energy and time do you put into it? And these things do thin the veil less. So it's like you, you can't stop these practices. is, you know, the build of the astral body and learning what that is is only the beginning you can't stop you know it has to go on before it was there anything leading up before that big event was there any small things that evening that were like off or different well as i've slightly alluded to or someone alluded to it's like yes because it's part of my life to do these practices and it's led to experiencing that the reality is more than just us sitting here with these physical objects right now but that phenomenon with the ufo is the last thing i expected to come out of this you know i mean yeah yeah you're expecting something perhaps non-physical to interact with you or something maybe a little more subtle uh synchronicity or something perhaps not a physical nuts and bolts silver disc that's pretty i mean that's yeah but it has i agree i think you know it would be all too strange for it not to be related do you know what i mean it makes more sense in this case that it is related i i would i would think yeah yeah i was gonna ask you know it's been three years right since that happened afterwards were there any other notable kind of somewhat seemingly relatable events that happened maybe after as a residual effect i don't absolutely and without even getting into that second incident um just on that drive for one okay there have been more than one experience of us both seeing simultaneously white or green orbs vertically shooting out of the sky straight down and they would disappear behind trees also well maybe this is getting a little too far into the weeds here but i mean we're in the right spot these are the weeds people we are the we are people of the weed both in perhaps metaphorical and you know literal sense i said this is portland all right there was an evening at home after a night of ritual and offerings in my own home temple space that i then laid down and continued with my mantra work and a lot of things that happened for me astrally are between the point of wake and sleep a lot of other people it's after that four or five hours where you hit the rem cycle for me it's that point between wake and sleep and i'm doing my mantra which is sanskrit feminine sanskrit bija words basically i won't say what they are but i'm doing my mantra which is sanskrit feminine sanskrit bija words basically i won't say what they are i won't understand it so it's all good i don't speak sanskrit but yeah go ahead and i become conscious and then in between space and i'm seeing through my ceiling and i knew i was seeing through the ceiling of my bedroom because there was about one third of the ceiling to my left left so i wasn't hovering outside of the roof i was still like level with my bed my consciousness and i look up in the sky and i see what looks like a white star it's dark right and i say to myself in this state of of lucidity right oh it's a star as soon as i said that it moved and came closer to me and got bigger and then just to the left of it one of those white orbs shot down right next to it so that brought a lot together that was a moment of bringing my spiritual work together with this phenomenon right what you had seen with your eyes in the objective physical realm you would now also had some non-physical confirmation of what that was exactly very cool so you do you believe that that that thing that went down in the in the in the physical projection of it was some type of spiritual or non-physical thing sort of bleeding into this reality is that fair to say it is it's exactly what i'm getting and and what do you think that is well it's definitely intelligent uh i can't say exactly what it is i could speak with a little bit more certainty of my actual spiritual work than this but even though it's bleeding into that yeah um it's intelligent likely much more intelligent than i am yeah um that's for sure yeah incredible you're a very fascinating person salvador i give it up for this guy i mean yeah i'm very interested in everything you're saying you have obviously so much to share do you have somewhere where uh people could contact you if they wanted to or if they wanted to know more about your practices that's something you share or is that something you keep close to the chest like um i i don't have any like channels to reach me yeah okay um but i do have a lot of experience with um kabbalah and archangelic planetary magic that was my western practice if you had to direct someone like me who's a complete like layman muggle in this world i'm very like i barely dip my toes into any of that you've probably gone a lot deeper you know obviously a lot of this than i have where would you direct me to start learning about this like where would i go well that's a that's a big question that's why i ask there's so many books to read like you know and and i don't have a classical education like i spent years like i would break up my sleep and read these books and do ritual and i'd like wake up i'd sleep for three hours and and um there's a lot of books you know francis barrett the mages the magus um uh the heptameron was was the the you know the first three books of occult philosophy the fourth book is the one that the heptameron's in but there's just so much like you need to build a library i actually still read physical books not um yeah same physical audiobooks no yeah no i love reading too yeah it it has to be it has to be a passion it has to be something you true you truly want to need to know that there's more to this planet than what they're trying to get us to believe it is i think you're on to something sal ladies and gentlemen please a warm round of applause for this very brave man awesome story thank you so much can i give you a hug sir thank you man give it up for sal guys come on wow wow look at us starting off with all the all the layups all the easy stuff right easing into it no flying saucers i mean this was 2023 i think you said or yeah yeah 23 flying that's why he's here that's why we brought him so what's the 800th number of pi all right sorry um seven they're not gonna look it up um is it though one in ten chance yeah yeah one in ten um no but like it is wild because you don't hear very much about flying saucers you know in the 2020s and on and so i'm i'm very happy to know that they're still here that's like that sustains me uh what do you guys make of this i'm very happy to know that they're still here that's like that sustains me uh what do i wonder why i never have those experiences yeah i would love to have that experience but you've had like astral experiences yes but not a nuts and bolts thing like that as a kid i always grew up wanted to see the craft a craft of something you know i've definitely seen some you know questionable shapes and lights and stuff but yeah there was somebody who said this it was on one of these recent shows that we did i forget who it was but it was like if you're not a fan of you're not sure that it's a ufo then it's probably not a ufo and i and i i i tend to side with that right because if i see a light doing a movement and it's like a it's a triangle or something it's like yeah i don't know what that is i can i can tell you what it's not but i don't know all the variables and so i'm always there's always a part of me that's like ah i just my mind can't go to that's definitively an alien or whatever and i'm like i don't know what that is and i'm like but a flying saucer is one of those things where i'd be like yeah that's it that's it that's the one that's undeniable but you had a a triangle go over your house yeah yeah yeah yeah um but again you know and military there's like you know what i mean like i have a i have a sneaking feeling and not maybe not all of them you know because there are um you know bashar darryl anka i 73 of which there was two is the same triangular craft witnessed by multiple people with like the lights on the ends and the one in the middle and you know part of me thinks that like in five ten years from now or maybe 2027 or whatever like government's gonna say that was us and it's gonna like kind of negate everybody's sighting even though maybe some of those triangles are not the government but i feel like that's what's going to have this kind of like this stealth bomber like you know there was like legend of like this you know anomalous undetectable craft but yeah you know what that makes me think of like the closest link has anyone read secret machines the first book the god's book um that's one of the ones lavenda did and there's a whole chapter in that book about the relationship between like western esoteric magic and the flying saucer and he makes a direct um you know correspondence between like the magic circle and the flying saucer and i'm gonna get parts of this rap wrong but it's something to the effect of like maybe the flying saucer is some kind of manifestation of the magic circle whether it's like you know like the flying saucer is some kind of manifestation of the magic circle whether it's like the flying saucer is some kind of manifestation of the magic circle someone doing rituals in our dimension or someone in a different dimension doing rituals that they're like someone in the car doing a ritual yeah right like yeah exactly so i mean you know you see like the 2d versions of these magic circles in these grimoires like the heptameron or like lesser key of solomon or like whatever and it's kind of like the idea of you know you're you're within that space when you're doing this ritual and that's like keeping you protected with like angelic names and secret names of god and stuff like that but maybe it's also like projecting something somewhere else and it's manifesting some kind of saucery manifestation i don't know yeah you would the one thing that sure is i don't know yeah but you would think there'd be they'd look more gothic in that case i feel like there would be less uh mid-century modern yeah that is true they look very like swedish design like these things or something you know what i mean like yeah like scandinavian ufos or the like i mean this sports model you know what i mean like this thing was a like when i first saw that craft like even like the billy meyer photos it's like it's a beautiful vehicle like it's a like objectively it's a beautiful design like this is like the lamborghini this is like the classic car of ufos you know so whoever if it was them that designed it there is um there is design they have culture unless it's completely based on just geometrics and i'm wrong and then that's why it's appealing to me i don't know it's timeless too right like yeah it was the same pictures that we have from the early 40s and 50s yep the same like it still feels like futuristic it does yeah yeah from somewhere else you know yeah it does still has that jetsons vibe to it yeah i always uh side note i always um i They had a remote that did everything. It just had one red button on it. And that was the future I wanted. And now I have a remote with 300 buttons on it. And I have a 20-page leaflet on what my remote does, and it opens up a menu with 400 other buttons on it. I'm like, this is not what we were promised. No, that's not what we signed up for. We want the metal button with the little antenna, the little red button, and it just does everything. It washes you. All right, anyway, so I digress. I was going to ask Michael, have you ever had an experience in the sky? Not like that. And oddly enough, the closest thing I've had to a UFO experience, it's not that exciting of a story, so I'll tell it in the shortest version. It's that light that I saw above Monroe Institute that I think I told you about. And it's so weird that it happened there. But within probably 15 minutes of getting to Monroe Institute, for anyone that's seen pictures or has been there, there's like this big rose quartz, and people are just kind of attracted to this rose quartz because it's a big novel thing, and you know it's supposed to have these great properties to it, so you want to be close to it. So long story short, me and two other participants are standing out there. We had just met, and we all see this, like just a light in the sky that sort of looks like a star or something, but it's the middle of the day. But then it goes away, and then it reappears like a little bit, like in a different direction, but it's clearly the same thing. And this just happened like three or four times, and I actually did film it, but it doesn't look like that much on your phone. But yeah, that was strange. That's like the one thing I've seen that I truly don't know what it was, and I can't explain what it was. But it just was really like a light that was behaving strange and like disappearing and reappearing. Yeah, and you know what? The thing that strikes me about those particular sightings, because I've had a few of those as well, is what makes them so special is the timing. Like, you know, if I'm just out there, you know, seeing something in my car, and I was like, oh, that's a weird light or whatever. That's one thing. But when you're actively, like you said, you're near this crystal, you're in Monroe, there's a certain energy. You know, after last year, it was like a few weeks after my father passed, and I was with my brother, my younger brother, and I was going home, and at the time he was living beside me. We pull up in our driveway at the same time. We get out, and I say, hey, what were you doing? He goes, I was just going through dad's stuff. You know, we were like going through his, you know, old stuff. And I was like, oh, cool. And as I'm talking to him, I see a flash behind his, like his head, and I go, dude, I just saw, like something in the sky flash. And both of us walk into the middle of the street where we get like a better view of the sky, and we're just kind of standing there sort of reminiscing. And I literally, and like I haven't shared this, and I filmed this video. It's wild to me. And I go, you know, hey, dad, if you're there, show us something. And I'm not kidding. The horizon, and it starts getting bigger, but it looks like it's coming towards us. And it's like lower than like a satellite or a plane. It's much bigger. And I'm like scared. And I turn to my brother. I'm like, you seen it? My brother's very skeptical of this stuff. And he's like, oh, my God. Oh, my God, oh, my God. And I'm like, yeah. And I pull my phone out. He's like, yeah, good thinking, good thinking. He didn't even think to get his phone. I'm like, I'm going to get my phone. And I start filming this. And it's like kind of, it's big. It's a big light. And then all of a sudden, it starts going up. And then it kind of fizzles out. And we were both there. My brother to this day would be like, dude, I don't believe in this stuff. But that was real. Like that was real. He does. And I don't know what that is. But again, on video, you see a light that gets brighter and it goes up. But it's like, okay. Do you know what I mean? It's like unimpressive. But it's the timing of like asking for it. I was in a very like emotional state. So is he. And like it happened then. So it like amplified it for me. But yeah, it's on video. You're going to be like, what is that? You know, that's kind of how it is. I think it's time we bring out our first guest for the night. You guys don't know who we got here. Our, no. Our guest here tonight is someone who is become a very dear friend of mine. He's an amazing person. He's very knowledgeable. I had him on the podcast recently. And he is, he's a creative person. He's a director. He's someone who works very closely with Bob Lazar. This is my good friend, director of S4, the Bob Lazar story, Luigi Venditelli. Guys, give it up. Have a seat, Luigi. Very, very happy to have you here, Luigi. Thank you for having me. What's so. It's so. It's so funny. So funny with Luigi because, you know, we've been friends for a few years now. We live actually like 40 minutes away. And so we're always hanging out and, you know, talking to each other, calling each other. And when I asked you to come on the podcast, you've been on before and I've interviewed you before. And we talked about, you know, all sorts of stuff, Bob and whatever. But you, I knew you had a story. Yeah. That no one else knew about. Yeah. And I was like. Unless you were drinking wine with him at Contact of the Dead. That's right. You heard the story too. Yes, I did. That's right. I remember that. The close. Did you. You heard it too, didn't you? No. No, no. I heard it on the podcast. On the podcast, yes. I've heard pieces of it. Yeah. But not in full until then. It's one of those things where, like, when he started telling me this, we were there for, like, five hours going through this, like, story. And I was like, this is blowing. It's like the Da Vinci Code. Yeah. Yeah, it's. So you're going to go ahead and tell a story. No. No, no. What was that response like for you? Yeah. That's what we talked about. I didn't know we were going to talk about that when you invited me on the show. So I went on the podcast. We were supposed to have a conversation. The film was just out. Yeah. The Bob Lazar film was just out. So I'm like, okay, we're going to talk about that. You cut it off pretty fast. You said, all right, enough about Bob. I want to talk about what you've been investing. So I was like, all right, you know, done a lot of stuff. And then you mentioned, you know, would you be willing to talk about the story with Sarah and Lily and all that? And I thought, okay. And never did I expect the response in my entire, I think it's like 38 years involved in this and, you know, finally talking about this in cool environments for like maybe what, like four years or whatever. The amount of messages and, and people reaching out was the biggest. I've far surpassed the Bob Lazar, you know, film people reaching out to me. This was like on another level. So, so I, I called Chris and I was like, dude, this is, this is just, it's just insane. So that's, that's, that story hit a nerve. It definitely did. How many of you watched the podcast with the Ouija round of applause? It's, it's really hard to abbreviate the story. And I know there are a lot of plus ones that are like, what is this story? Jeez. I don't even abbreviate that. It's so hard. But go ahead. I want it. Yeah. Yeah. So you guys are here until like midnight, right? So yeah. Yeah. I could do that. So yeah, it's, it's, it's the craziest. Yeah. So essentially, I mean, in a, in a very, very tight nutshell. Yep. I, I don't know for, for those of you, actually, I do want to say something for those of you who watched it. I made a mistake during that podcast. And I, I mentioned something about a cat, some cat energy. A lot of people wrote about that, you know, and they were, and people were like, what about the cat energy? And I, I forgot to finish my sentence when we were talking. We're doing that. And a lot of comments were like, what about the cat? So I just want to talk about the cat for a second. So that sure puts that to rest. Yeah. Also, guys, if you haven't noticed, you can participate with emojis. Like we're encouraging your phones and stuff. So you, you haven't, I didn't mention this before and I'm sorry, but like, if you feel like you want to like partake, throw up some emojis. There you go. Look. Oh, that's cool. There's something you don't believe in. Throw up a red flag, show them a red flag, do whatever you want. All right. That's cool. Yeah, I can see them there. So, so for all of you know the story, there was a girl named Sarah that was in Montreal and she was in my house and she said, there's an energy of a cat in the house. And I said, I don't, I don't have a cat. Never had a cat. You know, I was allergic to cats and I was like, no, there's no cat. So I forgot to finish this, but after Sarah left Montreal and went back to Great Britain, uh, the day after was Halloween. So I was in Montreal and I was driving back home and I get to my house and there's a cat on, at my door. And this never happened before. I've been living there all my life and it never happened before. And I was like, that's weird. And this, it's a white cat with some black spots and it's clawing at my door. And I thought, I wasn't thinking about Sarah. I was just like, who's, what's the cat? You know? So I'm like, okay, you know, moving. I moved the cat, tried to get into my house. The cat would run and try to get into the house. And I'm like, no. So I moved the cat, try to open the door real fast. The cat really would want to like go into the house. I'm like, no. So I grabbed the cat, put it further away. I'm like, stay. I opened the door and the cat ran. So I'm like, all right, let's say I opened the door and let the cat in. Now there's a cat in my house. Now I'm not thinking about Sarah and the cat's, you know, going around the house everywhere. They're figuring out what this house is. And I'm like, there's a freaking cat in my house now. What do I do? And I'm allergic to cats. So I was like, I can't have the cat alone. You know, I love cats, by the way. They're my favorite animal, but I'm allergic to them. So it had a collar and it had a little, you know, something. And there's something really funny about this because my friend Lisa, who is part of this story as well, nicknamed me something many years back. I think. I think you remember this. Boutchou. Boutchou. Yeah. In French Canadian, this is going to sound really crazy, but in French Canadian, it means cabbage patch doll. Okay. Now I see it. And the reason why she nicknamed me Boutchou is because she's 6'3 and I'm 3'6". So she calls me Boutchou. By the way, Lisa, if you remember in the story, we put up a picture of her as well. Right. And there's a whole background. Oh, there's a whole story. She's 6'3". Insane. Yeah. Stunning. Looks like exactly like the Nordic, you know, type. And also has a wild story that maybe we'll get into one day. Yeah, that's another story. And so I grabbed the cat and I wanted to read the collar and it said Boutchou on the collar. And I'm like, what are the chances of that? So I call. There's a phone number. I call. It's a lady that was living a few blocks from my house. And I call her and she says, oh, my God, my cat never ran away. This is the first time. I can't believe you found it. Please, can you bring it back? She's an older woman. I said, absolutely. I found. I can't remember what I found, but I put the cat and I brought her, bought the cat back. And I got back home and I thought, that was weird. And it hit me when I went back home. I'm like, wait a minute. That's what Sarah said. There was a cat in my house. It was a cat energy. And I found that just weird because it's like, why would she have said there's an energy of a cat in this house when there was never. That was the first cat that ever came into my house. That was just weird. Yeah. So very another another weird part of that story. Now, does it does it mean anything? We don't know. It's probably, you know, it's probably nothing. I'll see myself out. Sorry. It's a crazy synchronicity. I mean, yeah, it's wild. And the fact that the cat's name was Butchoo. It's like that's that time. Yeah. It was weird. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. Synchronicities are for me. I mean, they're a wonderful way of sort of living your life. I found. And I think that's something that we all have in common. Probably a lot of you that are here as well. It's like you. There's the there's the dichotomy of what a coincidence is on the logical side and what a synchronicity is. And the beauty of it is there is a duality in this comparison because the coincidence, like the synchronicity is by definition a coincidence, right? That's what it is. You're like, oh, it's a coincidence. That is the definition of a coincidence. But you can live your life thinking that everything's a coincidence or you could live your life looking at it as a synchronicity. So a coincidence, but with meaning. And what I've found is that if you decide to live this more magical existence. Then more magical things seem to happen. And that's just been true for me. Yeah. It's been fun to practice. I want to go over to Nelson, actually, because Nelson, you have a wild relationship with synchronicity as well. Yeah, it's really ramped up in the last few years since kind of connecting with you and this world a little more. I just find dimes everywhere specifically. My brother's in the crowd and he's the most skeptical person of this kind of thing. So he's like, oh, anybody can find a dime. But I haven't found a dime. OK, I don't know what you're talking about. You've told me this before. And I'm like, maybe once in my life. I don't remember finding a dime. Right. You have a jar this high. Yeah. That's like filled with dimes. And when I started noticing them more, which was after my retreat at Monroe two years ago or so, I was getting a lot of finding a lot of them. And it was the timing that made it even crazier each time I'd find one. It wasn't just like, oh, there's one. It was like there's one when I was kind of thinking about one or asking for one or looking for an answer to a question. And there it was in front of me at the moment after I mentally said that to myself. And I realized also that in my life, I've always found them. I just kind of said, oh, yeah, I find dimes and it's a good omen. But then I realized they've always been in my life. I remember. I remember my brother's too young for this. But when I lived in France, we grew up in Europe traveling around. We lived in a house outside of Paris. And I remember in the ground, I was just playing in the dirt and I found an old dime from it must have been from like 1910 or something. And I was like, oh, that's cool. But like now that I think about it, what the heck is a dime doing in France in my yard? Right. Um, so it's, it's, it's just, was it, was it by chance one of those old dimes that has like the wing headed? No. Okay. It just says one dime on the front. Oh, okay. I think it says, yeah. Or yeah, I think it's just, it says, uh, it's just, I think it just says 10 cents on, on the front or something. It's one of the old, old ones. I keep it in a box in my parents' house. But yeah, good. I was going to say this, it's actually synchronous that you bring this up because as any, any Robert Anton Wilson fans in the crowd. In one of his books, books it might be prometheus rising i'm not sure but he he's one of these like very you know mercurial esoteric authors who's you know he's having ufo experiences and thinking he might be in contact with uh some intelligence from sirius but he's also very logical and agnostic about it all and is willing to go through all the different possibilities but one of the thought experiments in one of his books is to try to manifest quarters on the ground and and basically one of the he he encourages you to say try it where you where you're manifesting it or synchronously discovering them and now try it where you're just convinced it's only your own attention so he's not telling you like which one it is but he's encouraging you to like play with these different modalities and ways of you know experiencing things and one of them happens to be that like finding coins in the ground yeah very cool and nelson also what you know he's got a physics background as well and he's a very you know i think by the very nature you are a skeptical person not skeptic but like you look at things and try to rationalize them but when you find them what do you do with them well i i i log them i keep track of what day it was what was happening that day if i it was heads or tails i also keep track of how i interact or find other coins right because i'm not just blind to the dimes sometimes i find a penny like anyone might right people find yes too yeah um and i do find pennies i do find quarters i do find nickels but statistically it's always more predominantly dimes overwhelmingly so and uh more heads or tails that's one thing i've been keeping track of more and it's mostly tails by how much um i'd have to look at the i'm still collecting data but i'd say probably like 80 percent yeah like what yeah yeah wow yeah but but it drives me crazy it drives me wild because then i find one heads and oh yeah heads and i'm like what do i what does that mean like is tails good i'm still i'm trying to figure that out i'm trying to map it to what outcomes are happening you know i think tails is a good so i mean i think they're all kind of basically a wink to me from whatever it is that i'm on the right path right well it's like the alchemist yeah right he had these in the in the book by uh paulo coelho like the uh he had the stones that he would just ask like that one time all right this question right and it was like yes or no and that was kind of like heads or tails what and what about the years you log those as well i do log the years i haven't really noticed a pattern yet but you know i've i've had ones that go all the way back to early 1900s uh have ones that i just got one the other day it's like the new minted ones from 2026 they look brand new they're amazing really excited about that i know that blows my mind because i don't find dimes and i have if you look at our chat history oh yeah it's like after a while i was like cool he sends me i have 30 photos of dimes of just like oh another one and it's just him pointing to a dime and he's like oh man i was just at the racetrack today and i remote viewed um the color pink and so i bet on the pink horse and i usually put five bucks but i found a dime and so i put 50 now one fifteen hundred dollars yeah this is the the belmont stakes was being held it's one of the big uh race races of the year i live in saratoga springs and we have a little racetrack but they were holding it there that year and i found a dime on the way to make a bet and i i do a weekly remote viewing thing for horse racing specifically but i don't really bet on it it's just to gather data and you know see how i'm performing but this i'm at the track it's a belmont stakes it's big race it's like okay and i go over to the the cashier you know it's old time you put the cash over you say what you want who's going to win you do the trifecta the box whatever and i'm like okay i'm going to do this i don't really understand a lot of stuff i just and i don't even understand horse racing i just see a color and i put my money on it as the winner and i'm i've got pretty good results but this one i knew i knew that black was going to win and i was thinking to myself like what what i usually put like 10 bucks you know i'm not a big gambler but i was like i know that this horse is going to win i should put a lot but you know you temper your your your expectations and you're so i put 50 right it was huge um but it's a weird feeling knowing something's gonna happen and that dime was this the thing that kind of like let me know and the race was insane if you want to look back it was 2024 um the the belmont stakes this this horse nobody was saying its name for for a winner and uh it was last place last place last place and just earned its way up won by the tip of its nose a door knock and uh i remember being like yes pin drop nobody ever although everybody was like who would have this door knock except for the owners they were happy but yeah i got it was like i won like 1200 bucks it was crazy it's a weird feeling imagine if you were a gambler dude yeah think about how much money you lost that day dude that's a fascinating story that's incredible i i just if if i can um i have i have something about synchronicities that happened to me when i was a kid my grandfather uh used to work in a flower market and he always used to take a red carnation he would cut it and he would put it over his over his left ear that was his trademark i grew up my grandfather always having a red carnation cut short over his left ear so that was like as a kid i would i knew he would have a flower when he died i was named after him so when he died i started finding cut red carnations in the street so i i have them in a box they're all in a box and at a certain point i moved to china and you know i lived in china for a while and i was it was my birthday and i was in southern canton province and we were in a different city and i was staying in this apartment hotel type of place and i was on the 17th floor nobody was staying on the 17th floor it was just me it was a really nice place and so my business partner was there he brought his his family and his girlfriend's families because it was my birthday and the door somebody knocked on the door and i opened the door and it was his girlfriend with a small red carnation in her hand and i'm looking at her and it was tracy i said tracy where'd you get that she goes right here in front of the door i'm like what there was no flowers in the building i went i made it a thing to go like where where are the flowers like i go there's no way and i went down in the lobby there was no flowers how did that red carnation get there wow and to to close off the whole you know synchronicity years later my father passed away and on the day of his funeral it was a monster snowstorm in montreal i mean mega snowstorm okay and everybody was in the funeral home at the end everybody left and i'm i've got these bags i had a bunch of stuff it was awake i bought a bunch of stuff and i'm walking away everybody went to this exit to the right of the funeral home i for some reason i have no clue why i did this i decided to take the long way out of the funeral home i don't know why i don't know why and i was carrying stuff so it was like no logic to what i did i just did it because i felt like not going where everybody was going and i went to another door i was the only guy there and one of the guys working there saw me carrying all the stuff and he opened the door for me and as i walk out the parking lot because all the cars were on the other side so the parking lot was a perfect white there was no cars that driven so it's like perfect white snow and right far right in the center i see this red little thing i swear i walked all the way there and it was a little red carnation on the snow i may god strike me that i saw that i i still have it and it's like what does that mean right like my goal synchronous yeah thank you crazy that is the most that is the very definition of a synchronicity like that's what i mean you can say coincidence but like this clearly has a very deep meaning and michael's gonna explain exactly well in a way this is like even though it's an unanswerable question it's also like the most softball question because this is something i've done like multiple videos on something i've like i've deep dove on of like in terms of what it could mean what the confirmation bias aspects of it are what the history of the idea is and of course i think this is a super old idea that's gone by many names right but it's in a modern sense it's coined by carl jung the famous psychiatrist um and we actually had a weird it's very strange actually that we're spending so much time in this show like totally unscripted talking about synchronicities because they came up when we today going to a camera store and we stumbled across this um this little like not yard sale exactly but it was in like a driveway somewhere it was just random stuff for sale and we're looking at random books i'm like oh it's kind of synchronous synchronous that we found this book and that book and then right when we left there was a giant picture of a beetle like just a giant picture of a beetle and for anyone that knows carl jung his most famous story is a is a beetle synchronicity story so it's just super weird to be talking about synchronicities earlier today seeing the beetle now we're talking in an extended unscripted fashion about synchronicities it's just weird and and ultimately you know he was kind of ambivalent about what it meant but he he he was smart enough to warn against you know like this is ripe for like confirmation bias and flights of fancy and like thinking that you're controlling reality and he was saying that ego shouldn't think that it's driving synchronicity but what he believed is that it's like we're stumbling across what the ancients would have called sympathy so in these ancient esoteric systems most of them believed in sympathies like there were these this was like invisible language of nature and to be like a magician was to understand those symbols and understand how to manipulate those symbols so i think what it is is it's that fat that nebulous psychical faculty that we have that's always like rubbing up against the transcendent and we don't really know how or why things happen but it's like we don't really know how or why things happen but we don't really know how or why things happen but we don't really know how or why things happen but we don't really know happen and we see the meaning and it's oftentimes like they're just beyond explanation far beyond chance so i think it's like we're rubbing up against that dimension of meaning you know and when you do certain things it again thins that boundary that that's what i think at least i knew you could do it before we move on we do have a special uh message now as many of you know uh luigi did do a documentary it's a bit of a big deal it's called s4 the bob lazar story uh it was number one on amazon it is now free to stream on prime and it's like trending which is amazing people are watching it if you haven't seen it and if you're a plus one maybe don't start there maybe start with like something a little like no seriously go watch it it's uh it's it's amazing congratulations again it's just such a pleasure to be here and i'm so happy to be here and i'm so yeah thank you i got to you know witness the inception and the creation and every step along the way and it was just such a delight to to well i mean at times you know it was ups and downs you know making a and and i'm gonna say this again i want everybody to know that i myself my team everyone thank you chris ramsey because if it wasn't for this guy we wouldn't have made it all the way to the finish line so thanks man all right i appreciate that thank you i appreciate um but you're our friend bob lazar was kind enough to send us a little video for you guys tonight um so yoni if you don't mind we got a little little video hey guys good to see you sorry i just can't make it i just got too much stuff going on here we got fires nearby and all that stuff uh well and the man himself and himself well give it up for baldazar uh you know too bad he couldn't make it tonight but he wished he could be there he's dealing with some fires and stuff and he's got like horses and whatnot but uh you know nice of him to wait a second what's that what's that sound ladies and gentlemen our next guest tonight and resident of oregon mr robert scott lazar and he's going to be our guest tonight he's going to be the one who's going to be a little bit of a great guest tonight and he's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the star of the show he's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the star of the show he's going to be the one who's going to be the one who's going to be the star of the show i made it i made it so he made it i'm a little curious round of applause did we fool you with that video no good job way too smart yeah we gotta we gotta work on that bob we gotta work on our our magic trick a little more um thank you for being here oh no problem good to be here so um currently trending once again on amazon is a story of s4 uh the bob lazar story or s4 the bob lazar story um how has the response been for you since this movie came out how you know obviously you've had people reach out and you've seen some response online how has that been so far for you oh it's been a tremendous response i mean it's uh it's really changed my life really um it's the first time i don't really have to explain what happened to me i can just point to luigi or refer to s4 and said you know here it is but it's uh it's amazing how well it was done and it um it's really changed the whole dynamics yeah it's uh it's one it's one of those movies where you know even someone who's you know i've i've seen all the documentaries on your life up to this point all of the reportings all of the youtube videos you know and like many others we're always just we want a little more we're always like you know there's got to be there's got to be more to the story and i'm sure you're like no that's it here you go but then luigi makes this you know movie and you guys all of a sudden gave us more more than we thought could ever you know sort of be conjured up from this you gave us a physical sort of representation well a picture's worth a thousand words i mean that's what it is how many times can you tell the same story over and over but if you're able to show everything exactly the way it was it takes on a whole new dimension yeah absolutely um luigi quick question for you when doing this and like okay you got out there you made this movie um how do you feel with you know once this is out there it's being received what's your gestalt on this like how is that received for you being someone who's you know you you're going up against the biggest story almost in in ufo history this is a monumental task to tell a story in this way specifically and very accurately once that was all done how did that feel for you well that was the the first well the first thing was i always felt a certain degree of extreme responsibility because i knew how incredibly controversial the story was how a lot of people wanted to know what was going on in the story and i wanted to know what was going on stuff throughout the years online and you read so much misinformation not not purposeful sometimes just people explaining it the wrong way so it was important to make sure that everything was a hundred percent what bob said he saw so that at least there was the the starting point was accurate if you wanted to argue the story at least you're starting on the right track and when that when the film came out obviously i was nervous are people gonna like it's the first time i make a film so i was really worried that you know i liked it but are people gonna like it and it ended up being a good film and people were thank you and the people were responding saying finally we finally understand what he saw and what the story was all about and that was really rewarding for me for my team because and i felt happy that i was able to deliver that in a in a digestible format yeah monumental task and you did you did it you did it justice i think um i wanted to follow up with you bob because the last time you know you appeared on my channel uh you know we had kept this secret for almost a year i had you know um when i interviewed you uh the second time on my channel most people don't know this but you were there that day to shoot an episode with travis walton oh right right yeah we had done so if you look at the interview i did with travis walton and the interview the second interview i did with bob you'll notice i have a clock in the skiff and has a date on it and it's the same date so like those some of you clued in or like wait that's the same because it's very subtle uh but that's also why those podcasts were shorter because you in the story and i wanted to know what was going on in the story and i wanted to know what was going on in the story and i wanted to know what was going on in the story in the story and i wanted to know what was going on in the story i'd move mountains to make that happen and with luigi's help you know and i even remember a texting and being like you know what if he what if he did this in a diner in like the 50s and like you were like hell yeah that sounds really cool you know and i was like say less and i and i built i remember sending you pictures and then you know bring you down and i get you to sit down and in for in my opinion one of the most legendary conversations just over coffee and pie um what was that experience like for you how did you feel about it and how did you feel after getting to speak with travis walton oh well it was great i for some reason i just always wanted to talk to travis i mean one of the reasons was i saw the movie they made and um travis hated it he said it had nothing to do with the movie and i said well i'm not going to talk to him about it and It had nothing to do with what happened to me. i said well i'm not going to talk to him about it and i said well i'm not going to talk to him about I heard so many conflicting stories, and I just wanted to hear it from the guy. And, you know, just to meet him, to ask him questions, and just to see what he really meant, what he really went through. It was really cool. I mean, that was a great experience. Did you walk away feeling like, did it raise your conviction level on his story? Yeah, it did. Yeah. Yeah, you always get a different feeling when you're hearing it, you know, directly from the horse's mouth, as opposed to a repeated story or a movie or something like that. But, yeah, there's just something about – and, you know, Travis had said the craft he saw looked almost identical to the sport model. So I wanted to quiz him on things because he got to walk inside. He saw it from different angles, and it was just really interesting to get feedback from him. So, yeah, it meant a lot to me. So thanks again for making that happen. My pleasure. you know it was interesting too because we were i remember we were sitting together so like you guys didn't actually meet for the first time on camera was like very you know we spent some time together the night before because you were both just eager to meet each other i kind of wanted to keep you separate and like have that meeting happen i was like no this needs to be you know these guys need to talk to each other and uh we were sat down at the office all together just conversing and like all that we kept making a joke i'm like we should have filmed this conversation um but at uh at one point you start you're like travis what about the arches and i'm like hold on hold on i'm like we can't we can't cross this line i'm like we got to keep something for tomorrow i remember feeling really bad about that because i wanted to stop you uh but you did have a burning question about those arches and what was what was travis's response to that he doesn't does he remember seeing them it that was kind of nebulous his he says i do kind of recall something like that but it's you know travis had a lot more important things to concentrate on when he was there like trying to get away um but you know the archways are significant to the operation of the craft because they're wave guides and i kind of explained that to travis and it kind of took him back you know to where he remembered there was something along those lines but i mean he couldn't give me a definite answer if it was exactly the same but um i really did want to know that if the craft and he was in more than one if they all had that kind of construction on the inside if you could because you by the way you did a great job interviewing travis which is what it ended up being because i didn't know how i was gonna go i was like hey you're just gonna i'm gonna leave you guys to it we're gonna set up the cameras we actually left the room and kind of just like set the waitress in and like we didn't want to i didn't want to like push it in any way i had that little briefcase with your files in it which was a fun little touch um but if you had to because i think you had pretty good interview skills i think you're a pretty good interviewer um i don't think so i know i actually to be completely candid i think you're way more comfortable interviewing people like i've seen you on multiple interviews i've interviewed you like even now but i think you as an interviewer like you were really good at letting people talk not like i'm probably more comfortable interviewing someone than being interviewed yeah yeah i'll agree with that um who would you interview if you had a chance now i'll let you go maybe uh dead or alive anybody if you could sit down with somebody for two hours at the flying saucer i mean we're just talking about ufo related you know what one ufo related and one not ufo related oh man how much time do i have um i don't know i can't spontaneously come up with an answer all right we'll come back to it i i will produce an answer in the next five minutes amazing uh in the in the meantime michael uh nelson do you guys have any questions yeah i do for sure um um i've heard a bunch of your interviews and i love that you stick to what you know and what you saw directly but i'm really interested in the relationship between the phenomenon and consciousness and you often hear from experiencers that there's like this uncanny aspect to a lot of these sightings like the guy i don't know if you heard the experience who was up here earlier but he had been literally doing like a full moon ritual before having like a classical ufo like disc-shaped ufo appear in front of them and there's just so many you know stories to this effect whether it's instant communication between these beings and the experiencer or whatever. So I'm just curious, when you were especially in contact with the craft, but even secondarily, were you exposed at all to anything having to do with this weird relationship between consciousness and the craft or consciousness and the beings? I was not, but I do have a friend that is so convinced that there is consciousness attached to the craft in some way. I mean, he goes into the construction of the brain, microtubules, and I mean, how they are. And these topics are only just being touched on now in depth. I'm sure you're familiar with that. and um and he swears that he's got this figured out and consciousness consciousness is it a substantial part of how everything works in unison and um i mean to the point where he'll just call me like it's six o'clock in the morning because he's been thinking about this all night and i stopped taking his calls once in a while you know i just i can't wake up and start thinking about that it takes me a while but um he's he's a great guy brilliant guy and um you know but i didn't have any any direct connection to that i didn't see any evidence of that but he is slowly convincing me that that's the case interesting interesting did you get any sense that there could be a special relationship between the brain and the craft itself in terms of how it's piloted or interacted with? It has to be something along those lines because there's no physical controls. So, I mean, look, it's not that, you know, if we talked about that in 50s and 60s about some kind of mental control, it sounds like something from Star Trek, but now it's no big deal. You really can, you know, control relatively complicated systems in that way. But there has to be. How else is the craft controlled? Unless it has something to do with the top level, which I have never had access to or had information on. So interesting. Are you familiar with the professor from, I think it's MIT, Rudy Child? One more time? Rudy Child? I don't think so. Yeah, he is a professor from MIT, an astrophysicist if I'm not wrong, and was interviewed by George Knapp one time, and he says he spoke to somebody who had been on the program, and he was in favor of Bob Lazar, and was explaining that he is convinced that there was some type of mental connection between the occupant and the craft, and there was some type of communication he had heard between some academics or some scientists that had been involved in the program that that was how this thing functioned that there was a connection to the machine with our brain this is a this is a guy who's got a lot of credentials at mit who came out publicly talking about this obviously not a lot of people like to to bring it out in the public he's an older guy but i spoke to him i'm i'm in communication with him very very smart guy so you should look into that it's really interesting yeah yeah um i've always wanted to ask you about this just because obviously i have a fascination with memory and you know you're in this position where you've been telling the story that happened to you so long ago and you've had to say it over and over again and you know people have gone on and told your story for you or done documentaries about it and then you know this gentleman comes along and is sitting with you painstakingly going through all these memories to rebuild them i would imagine that i'm already amazed at how you were able to go into those depths and find the detail to construct something that was so detailed but it must have been because of bringing out those details that brought back the memories if that's what you're gonna that's what i'm getting to so like as you're coming up with probably something that's hard to describe and probably fading a little bit you build it a little bit i'm sure that kind of revitalizes or helps kind of job it absolutely did i wish i had an example that i can remember but that occurred and in fact i think it was setting up the lab or something in there yeah you know we'd uh put it on the computer essentially walk in there and you know turn around and i you know wait there's there's a door missing and you know there's absolutely a door there and you know by walking through it um i think that even happened in the big hangar too that's right um it was just once you see yourself there um you can kind of see what's missing yeah yeah what memory dropped out yeah but it also says that the memory is still in there it just needed yeah the connecting fabric to get there which was you know seeing the basic interesting structure but missing the door and then suddenly now you have the door and i'm sure that just seeing that door probably unlocked some other details right yeah i i think it happened all through it and differing different levels of intensity i mean some things were big and you know there it was i remember the light in the the tripod light in the craft you know had a cable coming out and you're like oh yeah it was orange the extension cord because you're like he would always tell us look out for the cables you know yeah yeah there was also something else uh big container that uh the blue liquid wait what what is what is this there is a big container we just called it windex yeah it looks like just like a big container of windex but and what does it do i have no idea it was it was just there it had nothing to do with what we were doing and um i had just forgotten about it um until you know we well started putting the lab together and well it was the lab came together you remember yeah you remembered the door right away it was instant as he walks into the lab the first thing bob says is wait there's a door that's missing right to the right it was instant and i remember going well wait why why would there be a door there it goes to the hangar and and you said yeah yeah that's where we went and immediately it was like okay that opened up a whole other thing because then when you're in the hangar you had the adjacent hangar door and there was little doors in there and you said wait there's a missing door in that big door and you everything started cascading and it was like his memory was just coming right back and i compared it to when you look at you know if ever you bring out an album old photos and you look at let's say a picture of your own house when you were a kid and you see one thing and you go oh yeah and then yeah yeah suddenly everything starts coming back same thing you're in a place where you can't go back yeah and so well the difference is is that at least the photo is it's a actual photo you took the thing you created is not real right you've built it from him and it's kind of like this recursive loop that's just rebuilt his own right yeah it's pretty cool like a virtual memory palace booster yeah or yeah it's like a mind palace yeah i've heard of that yeah but it um and it is interesting too because spatial memory is like our strongest memory isn't that is that's what i was telling you earlier how i remember all these digits of pi it was placing them in this memory palace and how powerful it is for humans to remember spatial information so it's not surprising that luigi why you should have recruited nelson to help that's true yeah yeah yeah just like nelson just holding bob's head and be like come on it's in there think harder bob i still can't believe you you can remember 10 000 digits of pi it's not that yes it is yeah yeah I did have one more question um about memory again but is there any memory that you're aware that you've forgotten just because of time that's passed and it's faded that you wish you remembered more oh good question i know that's occurred but i don't remember you know i mean that's a fair answer yeah but um maybe like the documents is there like because there was a lot of documents they had you know i really i know a lot of people focus on those because oh boy all the answers are there but like that's when i first got into the project and i was just going through these things they probably just i didn't even know if they were real so i just flipped through them quick oh really okay and you know and you know that was that was that so i and i never got to look at them again so yeah that would be fun to go back into that mind palace yeah if i could remember what i saw on each page that would be kind of cool yeah there's there's there's something in the works that's all i'll say all right all right interesting we won't pry we'll be polite um yeah go ahead i was gonna say bob looks surprised when you said that there is news to me i am surprised yeah you know one of the things i wanted to say about memory and and and today's technology because you said you know i built something that wasn't real that is like a loop where it makes him remember something and one of the things that i hope that comes and i'm i'm obviously myself my team always at the very forefront of learning about technology and what what we have is tools and ai is obviously the biggest thing that's that's arrived is is revolutionizing the world whether we like it or not it's here and it's not going to go away what i would love to see and hopefully we are able to make the existing computing equipment that we have able to do it how cool would it be if we could basically speak to ai like we speak to chat or whatever we speak to whoever decides to speak to something we're speaking to a robot these days and imagine saying to a robot and you're looking at a screen and you want to build your high school from your memory and see how accurate ai can start building it in 3d while you're talking yeah and that would start opening up your memory to the world and that would start opening up your memory to the world and that's where we start building our memories visually in front of us i would love to see that in the next you know 10 years of black mirror yeah yeah um yeah i mean but you did that in a way in a way terrifying um what have you have you thought about who you'd like to interview yet yeah i i'm sorry that it's okay it's gonna sound so typical yep go ahead but i'm i'm still gonna have to go back to einstein just because of where he was on gravity well let's set it up the next diner episode it's gonna be a it's gonna be a tough one but we'll make it happen um we need to get selvins for a back up here to do a couple rituals and we'll get back to you yeah just give me a good old shovel i guess um and a potion i don't know um is there anyone in the in the ufo field that you feel like hmm that you'd like to interview one more time or one i don't know i don't really know the ufo field what about john lear would you go back and if you could and sit down with john one more time i've sat down with john a lot all right what's the craziest thing john lear has ever told you oh my god oh my god really yeah yeah let's go and we're gonna clip it right there no no no but what is like the most insane thing that he's told you because he's said some stuff okay um we can go on for a while that there's this the sun is not hot it's just that the atmosphere of the sun's on fire but the you know the globe itself is solid there's people living on it and um the same thing uh with venus there are there are people there and i said when does the crazy part start yeah we're right we're getting there we're good i mean john lear had so many crazy ideas that the the thing is John was a great guy. I really liked him. But he had no BS filter at all. And, you know, like I've said before, he could have a four-star general come in and say, hey, I've got a bunch of information here, you know, for you. And, you know, he'd file it. And then he can have this literally happened. A neighbor girl came over and she said, I can see radio waves. And he said, okay, great. And, you know, he put them both together and they both have equal weight. And, you know, and I said, well, that's crazy, John, you know. And he said, no, it's not. It's not. She said she can see radio waves. I said, all right. All right. Well, let's get a walkie-talkie. I will bring one over and she can sit there and I'll key it. And, you know, she won't be able to see it. And she can tell me when she sees radio waves and when she doesn't. Yeah. I said, that's a fair test. He said, no, you can't do a test like that. So, but there are so many crazy things. But within all the crazy things, like he would still talk to like, for example, a four-star general. So he had great context. He really did, you know, partially because of his father. And, you know, he was, you know, a very accomplished pilot. He had every flying certificate and world record you could possibly have. But as time went on, he just started thinking in a non-linear fashion, you know. Yeah. It's just different. Yeah. He's a, I mean, clearly there's some unhinged, you know, theories around John Lear. But also, you know, he would still talk about things like the MJ-12 documents or like, you know, the Aztec crash and stuff like that. Yeah. To him there was supposedly hundreds of UFO crashes, which just doesn't make sense. He also said in the Nellis Mountain Range, there's over a billion aliens that live inside there. And, you know, where do they ever come out? I mean, how can you not see a billion of anything? He just had so many crazy ideas. But he had a lot of great information, too. Knew a lot of, you know, prominent people. Yeah. I have a feeling if anyone could get some novel and, you know, good information out of him, it would be you in an interview. So maybe so. Yeah, definitely. But, um, yeah. Well, Chris, if I may ask you, if you could have, you've already had Mount Rushmore of guests on the diner. Sure. Talking to each other. Who would you, ideally, love to have next? Um, I mean, there's a few. There's a few, like, alive. Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise, strange podcasts. Yeah. Yeah. One of us isn't drinking coffee, you know. I guess I'll get the bill. I would say there's a few. Like, on the celebrity side, I'd love to interview Dan Aykroyd. I think he's totally underrated. He did Joe Rogan once. You know, he's into Crystal Skulls. He has, obviously, his Crystal Skull Vodka. But he's. His whole family has a history of, like, paranormal things. He's got a book coming out soon, which I can't wait to read. And he's a very fascinating person. A Canadian as well. So definitely Dan Aykroyd. But also on the more sort of UFO side of things, I think. Uh. Man. Huh? Jacques Vallée? Oof. Yeah, that's a deep cut, I think. Definitely Jacques Vallée. I'm hoping to make that happen, actually. Eventually. Yeah. You know, I know he's getting up there and he's not really traveling. I think he's done doing, like, public appearances and stuff. And so, yeah. I would love to. Even, honestly, he's one of those people who, even off the record, off camera, I would just love to, like. He's, like, the closest thing to, like, a shaman we have in, like, this ufology business. Like, he's been to more encounter sites than, I think, anyone else. He's intertwined with some of the most interesting people and events in the last, like, you know, whatever decades. It's really, really. You know, this guy helped invent, like, the internet. Like, you know what I mean? Like, he's just a really, really special guy. I think him and then Dan Burrish I think could be the other one. So. But, yeah. And also, I believe, in Canada, Dan Burrish. So, you know. Love to make that. Dan, if you're watching, if you're at home, you know. Or Marcia. Yeah, he has to come out. He's gotta. I mean, but, you know, that's one of those ones as well where it's, like, I'm just gonna let you talk and you guys decide. Like, not gonna weigh in on this one. And I think. Here's another one. Here's a controversial one. And this interview's coming out next week for you guys. So. I interviewed for four hours. I sat down with Richard Doty. I already hear the comments on this video. Hey, how about it? Gotta say, very affable guy. It's in his interest to be affable. I understand. But the conversation was fascinating. We got through a lot of stuff. It's one of those, like, suspend your disbelief, like, you know, giant rocks, grain of salt. But very interesting nonetheless. Those are. Yeah. That's a little sneak peek. How about you? If you had to talk to somebody in this field? Oh, I'd probably Tom DeLonge. Just because I'm a huge Blink fan, but I would just love to hear him spew all his stuff. Yeah. Nice. Michael? I mean, if we could. If we could find him, General McCasland. McCasland and Lavenda together would be insane. Yeah, like, just someone who really knows what's going on behind the scenes at a very high level, who, like, you know, oversees, like, the WUSAPs, like, the waived, unacknowledged special access programs, doesn't have any compartmentalization, talking to someone who has, like, the crazy philosophical chops, you know? And, like, seeing how all of that would come together, that would be. That is kind of the missing link, is, like, we hear about the nuts and bolts, we hear about, like, the soft sciences, and there is, like, what joins those two things together is, like, this weird Greek mythology or something. Yeah, exactly. Or even someone like Rush, you know, he'll specifically talk about these programs, craft, bodies, but then he'll say, you know, spacecraft, but that's not the correct parlance. And he'll talk about interdimensional stuff in interviews as well, and it's like, how does all this fit together? Like, how do the bodies and the craft and the what, you know, it's just, it's all these, this constellation of super fascinating things that you could guess how they might connect, but you're just not sure. Yeah, and also, they're doing that probably to not say the thing, because then we all think it's the thing, right? So they're trying to be purposely nebulous, like, you know, they'll say things like, oh, it's non-human biologics, and like, they're like, okay, so, like, plant spit? Like, what are we talking about? Like, no, no, it's non-human intelligence. Are they dolphins and cats? Or, like, there's no term that, like, correctly, vaguely describes everything. It's funny hearing, like, Rush specifically, like, oh, like, they're bipedal plasmoids, and you're like, so we gotta call the Ghostbusters I guess now? Like, you know, you know, these things all sound very strange, you know, but, yeah, we can't put a thing on it until we know what it is, because then or else, everybody thinks it's, you know, Martians or Venusians or whatever it is, or people in the sun. Which, hey, suspension. Alright, I think it's time to, we got a few questions. We asked you guys to, you guys probably didn't know the guests were here today, but we'll get through the questions, and maybe we'll throw some your way as well. Yoni, do you want to pull those up? Alright, perfect. Alright, here, Bob, do you mind if I join you? I'll go right at it. Alright. Okay, the number one question. Do you think everything is related, i.e., UFOs, paranormal, ancient civilization? This is by Agent Angel. Bob, I'll start with you. Do you think it's all related? That's a very generalized question. Yeah. Uh, very possibly. Very possibly. Yep. I think we're all in agreement. We're all in agreement here. Very possibly. Very possibly. Okay. Um, okay, this one. I felt like Michael had something more to say. Well, I got a better one for Michael here. Anyway, these are all Michael questions, by the way. Agent Mr. Ken asks, is physical reality a manifestation of consciousness? I mean, do you want the short answer or the long answer? I mean, I'm a big fan of idealist philosophy, which posits that consciousness is, like, the ground level of being of course for anybody who's ever heard me talk for more than two minutes there's a good chance that's what i was talking about um so i'm i mean i'm a fan of that theory yes yeah okay um okay oh i i like this question do the visitors listen to human music whoa and why wouldn't they luigi they have to we've created it if they're here they pretty much they're bopping you know they know the music maybe that's why they're here who knows maybe that's why maybe maybe they're making the music maybe they're actually you know artists the muse i mean the daimon the demiurge right kanye is pretty weird i mean he could be an alien that's true yeah they're at least familiar with it yeah yeah yeah they would have to be i wonder what they think they're like ah that's so maybe they're like ew i don't know um we can talk about that next question yeah go ahead is the sasquatch real slash coming to get me up there yeah the sasquatch is interesting because we are in sasquatch country yeah are you guys all fans of the sasquatch um i i have no idea uh i'm gonna leave it up i think you've got some good takes on on this stuff honestly well i first of all i live near whitehall new york which is we got the big foot over where we are uh you guys call them sasquatch um but i've traveled a lot to nepal and done some mountain climbs and they have of course the yeti um one of our investigators reports at the beginning uh was since i traveled there i was gonna and i did we just haven't kind of put it together but filmed uh kind of a as much as i could a deep dive into yeti lore uh over there um in nepal which was really interesting especially in the sherpa community the the locals who live near mount everest they it's funny i would bring it up i was asking everybody have you ever seen a yeti have you ever seen footprints blah blah blah and they would say they'd laugh don't be silly but then they'd stop laughing and be like they tell me a story where they knew somebody who had seen footprints or had an experience or their father had told them stories and so there was this kind of pervasive lore that existed within the community that had been around for centuries and they i think deep down truly believed that this being existed was there real proof i'd never really got to the bottom of it but it seemed like they all had this story of something out in the wild that they had encountered and they didn't know what it was and i feel like that's also kind of similar what i got out of people in the area where i live when i ask about people who are kind of well versed in the bigfoot lore i don't know what it's like out here with sasquatch but i think there's kind of like this unknown that people like to have to just to kind of cap encapsulate the things that they can't fully describe and i think bigfoot is one of those things the eddie sasquatch whatever you call it so do i think it's real i think yes in some sense i don't know if the the actual being that we the the cryptid that we're talking about is the is actually out there i could be wrong i don't know but this is just my feeling that it's more of a concept that we like an archetype like yeah yeah like a subconscious archetype of something some type of projection that we're putting on to the unknown round of applause who here believes that they have seen the sasquatch all right that's not applause one more time round of applause uh who's seen the sasquatch that's not nobody that's kind of very interesting has anybody seen there's a guy on instagram who claims that he has like a sasquatch corpse oh god yeah and obviously everybody was like calling it and he's like i will saw through it yeah show you the cross section and then he did and he's like got a picture of himself with this cross section of a giant sasquatch aren't they getting aren't the pieces getting bigger weird or is it just me like they're huge oh yeah the head he has is gigantic yeah it's like gotta be it's like at least the size of his torso or like from here to it's yeah it's big i appreciate the hustle you know yeah it's tough to make a living on social media dude you gotta like get out of here you gotta get out of here you gotta get out of here get out there and decapitate a sasquatch it's a lot of work i think for a lot of people like this the cryptid conversation is a very slippery one and it's like an area they don't want to go and for i'm kind of one of those people that's much more skeptical of that but you hear stories about like skinwalker wendigo and it's like you know john keel like was also very reluctant to believe it as well but he would always talk about these things happening in concert with one another like again these window areas these times where it would just be a huge uptick in all kinds of weird sightings of like of creatures of of craft wolfman or like yeah i mean all the skinwalker ranch stuff it's yeah there's a lot sorry go ahead i was just gonna throw it over to bob curious to know what you think about cryptids like what's is that ever crossed your mind or are you like i'll believe it when i see it like what's your what's your take on i'll believe it when i see it yeah yeah yeah you don't believe any of those old old video you know where he's like everybody knows i'm doing this you know like you know this video yeah i mean i just haven't seen enough evidence i mean but you know if you're talking more along the lines of skinwalker um do you know that i'm a little more i i lean a little more that way really that's yeah that yeah i've known that not my my personal experience but i i have a lot of faith in george knapp who's researched that for a long time and uh you know i knew bob bigelow who owned the skinwalker ranch and look the reason he sold it was because he's you know petrified of what's there and you know they've had other physicists and you know that to research the place and have entities have followed him back home and um you know even even george was concerned about the thing but uh it's just because i you know trust the opinions of these people and i don't know if i'm going to be able to do that i don't know if i'm going to be able to do that i don't know if i'm going to be able to do that i don't know if i'm going to people and um i don't think i'll be going there that was my next question you wouldn't stay overnight no no no there's no reason to do that you've heard about the hitchhiker effect and like all that stuff not liking that at all i don't know i'd go i'd be a good that'd be a good audience question like what is it worth the risk to to potentially see something wow oh yeah i mean i'll i i i've i've talked to brandon fugal like i've texted him um and like i'm ready i'd go i i mean why not um nice knowing you though but uh bring some bring some stuff home um yeah who knows who knows what that stuff is if it's real i also had ben woodruff he was a biologist on skinwalker ranch that they'd hired he has a great interview and ben's a lovely person and he's also like a falconeer and he's like uh he just he loves studying so much and he's like i don't know if i'm going to be able to do that sort of uh paleontology and you know all this all this stuff but uh he's found tons of anomalous things regarding uh the biological side of things like the plants that are affected the animals that are affected like for instance the mammals that are like bigger than a mouse when they find them or any animal for that matter they don't decay at all they stay limp they don't even go hard there's no rigor mortis um they had a they had a rabbit i believe that was there for three months or a skunk three months no decay it literally did not decay and they were studying it there was still fresh blood in it after three months this is unheard of completely impossible and the second they took it off the ranch it started decomposing and so then they're like is there something there what if we bring in a dead animal will it like and how does it affect human life like there's all these questions because the we die and nothing eats them like nothing no ant nothing goes near them they're like we're not you know like a lot of mutilation stuff so yeah very strange stuff maybe i maybe i won't go i don't know um uh but that's really all we have time for unfortunately tonight folks we've gone over our time um thank you i want to i want to start by uh thanking my co-hosts um thank you so much nelson pleasure being here thank you all go check out nelson's work he has a youtube channel as well where he teaches memory techniques he also has a book called remember it which uh literally will help you remember things and then he's got another one called everyday genius that just came out it's a great book as well so thank you nelson uh and i want to start by thanking my co-hosts um thank you uh my friend over here my good compatriot and fellow cohort in the you know phenomenon realm michael phillip from third eyedrops thank you so much so nice to have you explaining all the things that i don't understand it's really and nelson just remembering it it's awesome um uh thank you luigi venditelli for everything you've done yeah thank you thank everybody and uh thank you to the man of the hour mr bob lazar you know i i do want to say bob um you know i've thanked you before for everything you've done but this what we've created here is very special this is very cool and i i i you know i do not say this lightly i don't think i would be here if it wasn't for you like on the other hand i would be here if it wasn't for you on this stage i wouldn't be here and i don't think we would have this if it wasn't for you like we're looking at the sports model back here like you are a massive massive part of this and so if nothing else if we don't get answers if we don't get government disclosure if we don't get any of that we got each other we got this community and that for me is more than enough so thank you so much for allowing us to uh to be here today oh you're welcome thank you and thank you to you guys in portland you guys have been absolutely amazing best crowd so far we love you so much have an awesome and amazing night and a safe trip home good night guys Thank you.