Blue Tsunami: Dems’ Next Move, Wall Street Reax, and Guest Amy Klobuchar

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First off, the title sponsor, Beehive, the platform for building an audience and business around your point of view, from newsletters and websites to podcasts and communities. Beehive brings all your content together in one place. Thanks also to our official sponsors, Tanium and Odoo, and for our supporting sponsor, Quince, who outfitted us today. It's actually very comfortable. Scott, you look very comely in that. Sweater, by the way. Go on. Not that comely. Go on. I'm just trying to sell sweaters. Anyway, we also— I'm going to turn you into a double lesbian. Is there such a thing? What does that mean? You'd have to go back to being straight, right? And then come back. Back? Yeah. As long as I can watch. Yeah, okay. No. You cannot. All the women are like, no. We are in blue Minnesota. Whatever. Okay. You want to hold? You want to hold on? You want to hold on to these swing voters? Stop being such fucking snowflakes. Let's have a sense of humor. Okay. They do. This is—you know what? This is woke 3.0. We laugh. That's right. We laugh at you. We do. He thinks things are funny now. Except for Shane Gillis, and that's enough of him. All right. We also launched our first newsletter this week, Pivot Post. You can sign up at pivotshow.com. All right. We're going to get in now to some of our main events here. And the first one is— We hear you elected a new governor here in Minnesota. Who I knew as a senator, who I talked to quite a bit because of tech issues. This evening, we have this very special guest joining us. Please welcome the winner of the 2026 gubernatorial election for the state of Minnesota, Governor-elect Amy Klobuchar. Amy Klobuchar. Welcome to the state theater. Now that I'm their first woman governor, it's my theater. That was a Trump joke. It was a Trump joke. Wait. Are you the first woman governor? I'm the first woman governor of the state of Minnesota. Like across the country? Yeah. Uh-huh. And Keisha Lance Bottoms is the first woman governor of Georgia. First. In fact, we're going to have a record number in January. Fifteen Democratic women governors. Right, which is amazing. And maybe more. So they flipped five governor's seats last night. Two were waiting on, very positive, for a number of governors overall. And in the U.S. Senate, if you guys are watching this, my workplace, we flipped seven seats with two more to go. That's amazing. Yeah. And I remember you telling me, all the women senators do things together, right? Yeah. Well, we have a dinner every couple times a year, and we never talk about the male senators. Never. Everything that's said in that room, it stays in that room. Yeah. And you do different trips, right, around the place? Yeah. No. It's a good group, but it's about to get even better. Yeah. And were you going to do the same thing with the governors? When we had Annie Andrews from South Carolina. Okay. I'm not going to keep dropping names, but it's kind of incredible what happened last night. It was like when Donald Trump said, remember when he said in the last week, when you go to the voting booth, picture me? When he said that, they did. They did. They did, 100%. There's so many good memes about it right now. Susan Collins' reign of concern is over. In any case. I do want to share, let's focus on you. I want to share a quick stat. You won by roughly 13 points, the largest margin for a Minnesota governor since 1994 and the biggest margin for a non-incumbent governor for 44 years. That should be good. I actually texted her to come and she's like, if I win, I'm like, oh, stop it. Well, I want to establish that I accepted this gig before we knew how good, before we knew how good, how good last night was going to be. Right, absolutely. Because I like you guys. I know. So lots of Democrats are writing the post-midterm memo this morning. What is in yours besides Trump is upset? I mean, clearly it is one moment of celebration that everyone deserves after what has been going on here. And you think about the voters. These weren't just city voters or they weren't just suburban voters. They were also rural voters. The fact that we flip states like North Carolina and South Carolina in the Senate, as well as the state of Maine. And then you go down to Texas with Telerico and you go to Ohio and you go to Kansas and Iowa, our neighbors. Because these guys know that I know the difference between Hawks and Hawkeyes. And then what we believe is about to happen in Mississippi, where a candidate is ahead. And of course, in Alaska. So my memo would be one, you know, we have to look at what happened here. We had a bunch of rubber stamp Republicans that did everything Donald Trump asked them. And last night they ran out of ink. So that was the first thing. But the second thing is, as we go forward, yes, there has to be a check on power and a protection of people's civil rights and liberties. But there also has to be a reminder of why these people, who voted for Donald Trump, especially in these red states, switched over. And a lot of this was patriotic to them, because they love our country. But it was also because costs have been up, chaos have been up, corruption has been up. And so when I think of the practical things that we could do immediately in the Congress, I will be here with you guys doing everything good for Minnesota. But the things that we need to do are, one, to make sure that people can afford health care. When they refused to re-up the Affordable Care Act tax credits, 8 million people have been tossed off their health care nationally since that happened. No, no, we could do it this year. I hope we do. But it also may be next year. The Medicaid cuts, which are decimating our hospitals throughout the country, ending the war in Iran, when we have now voted against it 14 times, and then doing something about these tariffs. You know, as one soybean farmer in southern Minnesota said to me, it's like a perfect storm of ugly between their input costs up, their markets drying up. So there are some real deliverables that I think have to happen. Now, of course, you've still got this guy in the White House, so it's going to have to be the Congress pushing and pushing. But people have to remember, yes, accountability, but they also have to remember that what people voted on were the fact that they did see his face. They didn't see his face. They didn't see his face on that big, beautiful ballroom. They didn't see his face as he wants on the Kennedy Center. They saw his face on the gas pump. They saw his face on those premium increases. So I do think it's really important that when we go into next year that we remember why we won this election. You know, one of the things they're talking about, revenge or retribution, but accountability is not retribution. It is accountability, right? And that's the right thing. When you think about that, a lot of different Democrats debating people are very angry at what has happened and but a lot of people say there's no use in impeaching him there's no use of do using your time to do that because as scott has said we're the democrats are paying rent not the mortgage here they haven't sort of closed the deal yet so how what is the balance of doing that because there is there is a lot of possible criminal behavior here well there obviously has to be hearings about what has happened here and you think about we saw this firsthand uh with the civil rights violations and of course the horrific killings of alex pretty and renee good but also just people being picked up because of the color of their skin and the fact that they put 70 billion extra dollars into ice which made it bigger than the fbi or the marines those kinds of things which we have done as democrats in spotlight hearings on our own and called in witnesses i think you are going to see that and there has to be this kind of accountability and the new congress is going to have to decide that balance but i did want to make the case first that what people are looking for immediately is some relief when it comes to what's been happening with costs in their lives right scott so ending the war on iran affordable health care geopolitics and then domestic policy that quite frankly is an expense over the long term it might save money but as you move from a legislative to an executive role people leave and come to a state largely for economic growth that's the swing and the reason why texas and florida are doing so well is they have been very pro-growth and i apologize i'm a glass half empty kind of guy so i'm going to go to the you're exactly right about the economic growth issue so but if you were to look at the migration patterns generally speaking a reductive analysis would be cold and high tax states are losing populace to warm and low tax states that are considered quote-unquote pro-growth what is the executive uh for minnesota what is your plan for actual for economic growth because if you look at the two groups that swung hardest to blue i would argue we're renting them we don't own them hispanics and young men and they vote they mostly vote based on who they think is going to put more money in their pockets so as an executive for the great state of minnesota what specifically are your plans to inspire growth industry sure so from day one as my constituents here now i ran on a growth agenda um we have lagged as you've noted like a lot of states uh in the upper midwest um have been lagging in the last decade uh but this year actually we did have we broke six in the country for growth i hope it stays it's the first two quarters we've gone up three percent um but this is how i look at this number one we have to cut through the red tape things were put in for good reasons but it's too hard to start a business too hard to expand a business so that's one really having a state government that matches the drive and ambition of the people in our state we have 18 fortune 500 companies in minnesota our per capita is way up there we have 500 000 small businesses and to make sure that we can keep those businesses expand them is number one number two workforce um i always would say on the presidential debate stage we're not going to have a short shortage of sports marketing degrees uh thereby losing the support of everyone with a sports marketing degree uh but we are going to have a shortage of nurses and doctors and electricians and as we look at this plumbers as we look at ai especially being very aware of that as a governor as an executive is going to be really important to look at the ai proof jobs the good paying jobs that are out there to get student achievement up in our classrooms and screen time in the classrooms to make sure that we move to more apprenticeships i pledge to double the number of apprenticeships and to look at some of the things like the university of minnesota has done in rochester home of the mayo clinic uh where they're thank you one person uh where we have a uh four-year degree that you can get in three years with all the credits and then they work in the health care field at the same time looking in that rolling that out across our state is very important and just looking at what people need to be able to afford their lives we need more housing in minnesota we're a hundred thousand units short from apartments to single family homes working with the private sector i pledge to get those hundred thousand units but that's also a federal thing too that's an idea well the road to housing bill that we passed with the interesting duo of tim scott and elizabeth warren but that bill was is a major housing bill that will actually pay that way for more modular housing which is less expensive to build uh manufactured homes i was like where my husband grew up in what was called a trailer home those aren't your grandpa's manufactured homes anymore and looking how we can reduce the cost of mortgages and rent um as well as bring down child care and we already talked a little bit about health care costs so you spent so much by the way tim scott and elizabeth warren are always out partying in dc together all the time you can't stop them easy happy hours happy hours after parties a little embarrassing i'll be honest with you um whenever i run into them um but you spent almost 20 years in the senate what do you know now about washington that makes you glad or sad to leave it and you know you and i have talked a lot about tech legislation and i'd love to know how you feel about you tried and tried and you know you're like this yeah cara and i'm like no you shall not it was like it went back done endless podcasts about my very you tried bills excellent bill in a minute i would say you were the strongest voice one of the strongest voices if not the strongest you you were um what what do you think how do you look at that because you were there with privacy with algorithms with all manner of things and now please come home to roost with data centers with fears about ai with public opinion against it at the same time you we we can't completely ignore this as a governor so how do you how are you going to operate as a governor differently and what are you going to miss about washington oh like ted cruz i mean i don't know so he actually does a lot of the tech bills with me the only ai bill that's passed was our take it down act but uh the truth is is that i really just stepping back on that front um i actually love my job in the senate i'm third in leadership but looking at what happened in our state in the last year from losing our beloved speaker the house melissa hortman the kids gunned down in a church ice um and the serious fraud issue i decided i love my state more and that's why i decided to uh run for this job and as i look at leaving the senate you know you always want to leave a job when you're on a in a high point i think you know gaining nine seats potentially i'm feeling pretty good that i can leave it in good shape as well as with our new senator peggy flanagan that is coming in and um so i you know so there's that but when it comes to tech yes and i've thought a lot about this because the areas that i've let in have been on taking on pharma on uh some of the agriculture rural issues and then of course on this and there has been a growing group of people it actually used to just be like me and um and ted cruz and um and another pair of parties and um there were a few others that were doing it and now you know you have got blumenthal's always been the one that's been always been really strong on it um and we've got a number of other senators that have gotten activated and there have been a few people that stood up in caucus that have said amy said this a long time ago you did and the idea that we need some guardrails um when it comes to yes ai and that is something i hope we can get done at least a bill included in the end of the year must pass bills um that would require the company frontier act well there's that yeah but would require some version of this that would require the companies and they now wanted a number of them um to have to get their products and their models uh verified before they can go forward that they have to alert the government when there's imminent harm right and there is some growing support for that but then of course donald trump truth that's the verb they use truth socials it um and then everyone in the past not next year says oh um but i don't think we can wait on that but then you get to the next level which is the privacy legislation the protecting kids online um and i just think over time too many people said trust me and it went along and along and now there is growing concern so that there is the actual possibility i hope i've left them some products uh that they can pass um and i'll come back when you do anything as a governor in that road obviously oh yeah so as a governor we have minnesota has actually been a leader we were you know one of the few states that said no you can't use ai in political ads uh that pretty much held during the um months at least the ones that were on tv it's not to say we had a lot of great ads i had 16 million dollars in negative ads and thanks to the person that when i walked in said you look so much better in person than you do on tv those were negative ads my big joy uh last uh uh week by the way was when you line this guy um out of wisconsin the billionaire decided to put his last million in radio i'm like great doesn't have my face but by the way he spent he spent by the way the people of minnesota spoke when they outdid me two to one on ads and they said, we are not going to let a Packers buy the Minnesota governor's office. He spent nine million. No, there was hidden money every which way with this guy. So there was a lot of negative ads that ran. It was more than that. There was also, I bet people in this room got it, false flag flyers and mailers going in that were trying to hit me to say I wasn't left enough to try to suppress the vote. And I did appreciate the progressive group that put a post out with one of the mailers and said, look, this is false. You are trying to just you are trying to suppress the vote from the left. And guess what? We're the only ones that can say this stuff about Globe. So anyway, it was a really bad scene. And I was thankful that Minnesota had actually banned a AI in these political ads. And they also have taken other measures and have a data center bill that can be improved. For instance, we've got to ban the nondisclosure agreements and do a whole bunch of stuff later. But they did they did on a bipartisan basis pass a bill that was more progressive in a year or two ago that I think is helpful. So there is just a number of things where Minnesota and the states have acted. I think one of the ways you get the feds to finally do something about privacy and what kids are exposed to and, you know, selling fentanyl online and these horror things is when the states act, because the companies that lobbied against these for a long time don't want a patchwork of regulations. And that's right. It would be much better to have federal laws on this stuff. It's the best that doesn't do it. That doesn't supersede. That doesn't suit. But the point is, you need some kind of federal laws. And I hope that this is a Congress that will finally get it done. Scott. So data centers, just such a hot topic, kind of, you know, triggers a lot of people. I just want to take the over under here or the under. I live in Minnesota. And of course, there shouldn't. I love the legislation. No NDAs. People never want the factory or the nuclear power plant. But the reality is every state needs economic growth to pay for wonderful things like food stamps and Medicare and Medicaid. I look at Minnesota and I think, OK, you got power, you got land and it's cold up here. Really? I mean, it's been a it's been a great fall. Right. So, yeah. OK. It strikes me that Minnesota is hand in glove for data centers and to tack on to some of that AI growth. I think so much of this is, first of all, to have local control. So the local localities are going to be able to make this decision. The second thing is to make sure people don't get hosed on their electric bills, that they are the water is protected, that there is I mean, these protections. The second thing is to make sure that people don't get hosed on their electric bills, that they are the water is protected, that they are the water is protected. I think we have 61 of them. It's not like some of these other states. And the fact that we put this law into place later that obviously can be improved is a good thing because we have learned a lot from what has gone wrong and it clearly has gone wrong in a lot of other states. So that's how I look at it. And I think there's a general sense of that in our state. Can I just do a quick follow up, because now that I find that people get a lot more honest once they're leaving office. Can you? So cynical. I know. I hate my life less and less every day. Give us some Republican senators that you really enjoyed working with that you think are good people and good, good lawmakers. Sure. So I have worked with many over the years and I have worked with my neighbors a lot, which has included Senator Hoeven and Senator Kramer up in North Dakota. We did a lot on infrastructure and they call it Fargo-Moorhead. I call it Moorhead-Fargo. Between our states, I've done a lot with Senator Rounds, who cares a lot about Native American issues and a number of other things in South Dakota. Senator Bozeman and I, I still hope we can get a farm bill done by the end of this year because we need to fix the SNAP food nutrition program. Shifts that are coming up. I have worked well with a number of the women senators, including Senator Capito, just got reelected last night on eating disorders. I can go through the list of them. I do really. And then from the past, I was going to lead with this, but then I thought you were going to say you only mentioned a senator who isn't alive. But I had a really good relation with Senator John McCain, and he taught me a lot when we traveled around the world. We would be in rooms with foreign leaders and they would only look at like, say, him and Senator Graham. And then they would he would speak and then they'd look at Senator Graham and John McCain would always say Senator Klobuchar is the lead Democrat on this trip. She will be speaking next in this room of, you know, 20 male leaders. And at the end of his life, Cindy invited me and my husband to see them at the ranch. He was the last few months of his life and he was still around. He was still irascible and making hilarious jokes about what had happened with what the Ukrainians had given us when we went to Donbass on the front line and the Navy had confiscated the weapons. And he goes, where's that machine gun that the Ukrainians gave me? But where is that machine gun? They took it away. They took it away. And so the the truth story was that he and Senator Graham and I were in the middle of a blizzard. Because I only like to do things in blizzards after the original invasion by Russia in Donbass on New Year's Eve. Tons of cameras before Zelensky, the former president, Poroshenko of Ukraine. And they gave John McCain a machine gun, Ukrainian made. And they gave Lindsey Graham a revolver. And we're on this huge stage. And they gave me this little box that had a dagger in it. I'm like, so John McCain. John McCain, to his credit, complained to the president of Ukraine the whole way back in this black ops helicopter about how this was sexist. And by the time I got to the hotel, they gave me a revolver. And so our last visit when he can hardly talk, he's still making jokes about the situation. But the very last thing he did is he couldn't speak at the end of the meeting. And he had me take out one of the books. One of the books that he had written. And he pointed to a sentence and he said, always remember this. And the sentence says, there's nothing in life more liberating than fighting for a cause larger than yourself. And so, you know, that was what he stood for for me. And so I have learned a lot from him and really people from both parties in that place. And I believe that there's so much more good we can come out of Congress. Yeah. I think one of the things I learned about hope over hate this election was about people who believed in our country versus divisiveness and ugliness. And when I saw those people cheering in Austin, I don't know if you saw the video. It looked like Hungary. I know. It was like unbelievable. Yeah. Austin, Texas, not Austin, Minnesota, because it's raining there right now. So we couldn't we would be doing that, but it's raining. Okay. We need to take a quick break. We come back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. dig down into your analytics, and build a community. And when you're ready to get revenue flowing, Beehive lets you offer paid subscriptions, connect with advertisers through the ad network, manage direct sponsorships, or sell digital products. 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Scott, we're back recording live from the State Theater here in Minneapolis with more from the state's newly elected governor and current senator, Amy Klobuchar. This past winter, the federal government sent thousands of agents into Minnesota. DHS called it the biggest immigration operation ever. 3,000 people arrested, dozens of kids detained, two U.S. citizens, two U.S. citizens killed. Today, I can't ever say his name, Mark Wayne Mullen, said deportations aren't going to stop. He was very aggressive, which was an unusual thing to do today. How are you thinking about this going forward? Will they pull back? Do you feel they're going to continue? Well, we have a new Congress in town, which they are about to notice. And Congress still has the power of the purse strings. And that means you can use that power for good. And that has included, of course, the fact that in the Senate, time and time again, we voted against these funding, the additional funding to ICE, that the lack of training, we went through everything we wanted to see different. The masks, you name it, and the reforms that we needed to see. And they wouldn't do it. And I think what you've seen in this election is a lot of people speaking up and saying this was wrong. What we saw in Minnesota, as you noted earlier, was I think will still end up being one of the top civil rights moments of this century. When this happened in our state, and I always like to remind people that this was the horrific killings, yes, but it was also about the Hmong elder being pulled out of his house in his underwear and Crocs keep saying, I'm a citizen, I'm a citizen. The stories and videos of, say, three guys standing there, two white, one Latino, and they just pick out the Latino, throw him in a car, maybe they dump him out once he shows his ID three blocks later. It was civil rights violation after civil rights violation. And what the people of Minnesota did was they didn't look away. They looked at each other. They didn't look down. They didn't ignore it. They marched 50,000 strong in 10 below zero weather. They brought food to strangers. And so when you think about what happened in the election last night in our state, yes, it was about the change we need to see in state government, the change that I have pledged to make when it comes to a growth agenda and rooting out the fraud. But it was also about that spirit and making sure that the people in Washington heard loud and clear what went wrong here. Do you think they've heard loud and clear? Well, I think they will hear loud and clear once the news is out. Once the new Congress comes in. And I think you're going to see what I have never understood is the president could have just said we want order at the border. And then there you go. But what he did then, and he could have then said, I want to work on comprehensive immigration reform. And there was a lot of support in Congress for doing that as we need more workers, as we need more sensible immigration system on both the Democratic and Republican side. But instead, he decided to do this, right? The shock. Shock and awe. The clearing people out of their homes. And people just, when they looked at this, they knew it was wrong. And what they want to see, what I want to see is comprehensive immigration reform. But my favorite end, well, there's two ends to our story, which hasn't ended because we still need these cases. The families of Alex Preddy and Renee Good are waiting for the federal government for accountability. But what I did is that I listened to those families and met with both of them. And I went back to Washington and I grilled Kristi Noem and the next day she got fired. But the second thing of my most memorable part of all of this was when it was, at least they had pulled most of the ICE agents out of Minnesota. I got a call from Ambassador Caroline Kennedy and she said, we want to give the profile encourage award to Minnesota and who should we give it to? Should we give it to an elected official? And I said, no, you should give it to the people. And she said, should we just give it to Minneapolis? And I said, no, you should give it to the Twin Cities because that includes St. Paul and the suburbs. And then she said, and then she said, OK. And they announced it. And a few weeks after that, I had a middle school class in my office from St. Paul and this little 14 year old mongrel who likes, really like stood up to hear on me. But she stood like she was six feet tall and she listened to the story and she said, now I understand. She said that award went to the people. She said, she said, I got the award. She said, I got that award. That was the spirit of our state. So as we look at what this Congress can do, they have to make dramatic changes to this agency. There will still be immigration enforcement, but it can't be like this. And then what governors can do is, of course, make sure in our state that there's accountability for what happened. So you just got some insight into our relationship. Kara told me what to ask and it's a ridiculously boring question. You wanted to ask it. I thought you were, what do you mean? I thought you were like throwing a card at it and that said, tell her you got to end this. No, I don't want to end this. I thought it was like one of these false signs, time is up. No, no. What do you think of the National Popular Vote interstate? No, he literally. Let me ask, can I ask my, I'm going to ask my question. What is the question? Kara and I talk a lot about the struggles of young men. In college, it's now 40, 60, four times as likely to be addicts, four times as likely to be homeless. And as governor, and governors have actually led the way for the first time and this wouldn't have been possible even five years ago. Governors Moore and Newsom have proposed specific legislation to try and create more community and address the needs of what I think is the cohort that has fallen furthest fastest. And this nation and young men, young men, and there's a lack of empathy because quite frankly of the unnatural under benefit that men of my generation received. And I think those same problems are still very evident here in Minnesota. Do you have any thoughts about specific programs or how you address what I'll loosely call this cohort of failing young men in our society? So I think one of the things and you pointed this out that there was a shift in how young men voted in this election. Huge. Biggest of any cohort. And I think with that comes an obligation, right? Because people have felt left out and I think there are a lot of them as someone that has tended to be able to win. It's harder for women candidates sometimes to win the male vote. I've done it not as much as the women's vote. And I think a lot of that has to do with speaking to opportunity for people and making people not feel left out. When I keep getting asked about being the first woman in this, first woman in this, I myself don't emphasize it that much. I remember back when I was running the first time that we'd never had a woman senator elected either and I would ask that question and there'd be a bunch of young men and they go, well, you know, can a woman win? And I gave an answer I would never give anymore, but we'd be up with steel workers up north and stuff. I would never give this today. But I said, well, you know what? I'm running not, not as being the first woman. I'm running for what I want to do to get more opportunity for apprenticeships and workforce training, all these things. I'd list through them and I said, and besides that, if I was just running as a woman senator, I wouldn't win because like half the voters are men and it would work because they would go, yeah, yeah. So I signaled and this is 2000, like early on in the 2000s. And I think part of that was sometimes when people get so excited excited about the first this and the first this. And I think, by the way. Barack Obama was someone that kind of crossed that barrier and was able to talk about, yes, I'm the first black president, but for me, it's more about everyone and getting them these opportunities. And I think that's what we have to do, because in so many of these new candidates that have come on the scene, young and some of them not so young, have been able in very different ways to bring people with them. And that's why when you asked at the beginning of the show about in the podcast, when you asked about what I thought this new Congress should do and what our obligation, it is really focusing on, one, the cost issue that is such a burden on regular people right now, but also to this growth agenda and giving people hope. Our state is a state that makes stuff and invents things and exports to the world. And I think there should be some pride in that. Right. Not everything is a bummer world about everything, starting a business. And there is an excitement about that that I think we need to capture again and be proud of in this country. So you get to appoint your own replacement in the Senate because you're the governor. Do you pick a caretaker who won't run or someone who can hold the seat? Who are you thinking of? Are you thinking that I would like announce this on your show? Why not? There will be time for this. It is an interim position and there'll be an election. That's how democracy works. Right. What Donald Trump might think there will be an election. And so is there someone super annoying you could send that would drive them crazy? I will make sure that it is someone that's going to put our state first. And that's what we need right now. Right. OK. And what? No, they don't just don't don't. They're they're yelling out names. It's going to be a whole thing that you. But thank you, Scott Galloway. All right. You ran for president in 2020. I'm going to try this one then. Can you are you going to run for president again? No, I am committed to do the work here. And there is a lot of work that needs to be done. So are the people out there know what I'm talking about? But we have to build trust in our government again in Minnesota. It's really, really important. And I'm going to bring in a new team. I just announced my transition team today and also that we have the website of Klobuchar that people can submit their ideas, apply for jobs. We really want to bring in a new team and make this work. So that's my focus. And they I am I wouldn't have done this if I don't want to make change. And I made it really clear I'm not going to move our state to the left or to the right. I'm going to move our state forward. I also made clear, including at our. Thank you. Eight people, including at our very festive party last night, because we had a lot to celebrate, including, by the way, we switched the legislature, which had been one vote margin and then tied. I made it clear that I'm going to have to make decisions that not everyone's going to agree with. You would have loved it. It's got it got a real big applause line when I said, spoiler alert, you're not going to like everything I do. I have been really clear from the beginning that we have to make some we've got to look at everything, make sure we keep what works. And there's a lot that works, but that we fix what's broken or get rid of it. And that means some of the other governors across the country, and we can learn from this, have done things like if your permit isn't decided up or down at a certain amount of time, you get your money back. like dominoes, and looking at what we can do to make things go faster. So that's my job. Like. And I think that's what we're doing. this is what I'm doing. Would you, would you someday like to be president? I ran for president, but this is not in the cards right now. I'm doing this. This is exciting to me. Scott, you gotta like you, we love our state. And so this is what I'm doing. So I did that once. It was a lot of fun. I got to debate Bernie Sanders. I mean, come on. It was all good. And we had to, and I think a lot of the ideas that I had put out there, um, some of them got done during the Biden administration, I think there's a number of things we can still get done. And I believe that I can serve my country very well from here as governor of Minnesota. Scott, you get the last question. Thanks. We all struggle with, so you're clearly an ambitious person, right? And that's a great thing. How do you, what tips would you have as a partner, as a parent, as a daughter? How do you, do you have any practices or learnings for how you balance? We just all struggle with this. How you balance ambition and success with trying to be successful at home. There's just no getting around it. It injects stress into all your relationships. Yeah. What, what advice would you have for, for parents just starting out, just starting in a relationship and thinking, okay, I want influence and success. But at the same time, I want some harmony and a sense of self and healthy relationships. Do you have any hacks for managing that balance? I think, first of all, you just have to have a moral core about what you want to do with your life, a sense of purpose. And you don't have to know everything. I've found that a lot with a lot of young people in our office. They're thinking this and this and this. You got to pick something you really want to do. and I always recommend if people are interested in government or in politics, you don't have to work on a presidential campaign. You can go work for a city council member that you like, or you can go work for a volunteer with an organization. And I think for a while, a lot of that became out of vogue and people weren't doing that. And people just said, oh, politics. I really, truly hope that what happened last night and after people saw what was going on for this country in the last year and a half, two years, that that flipped a switch on people that they want to help. And so for the balance part, I have a great husband. I have a great daughter. We have found things that we like to do that are sort of fit into our lives. We like movies. We are over halfway done, something you may not know about me, in hiking the Superior Hiking Trail. It is a really hard thing to do. It's well over 300 miles. But my little pro tip on that is that it's way remote, rocky. So I have found now almost every part of the route where you can have a car on one end that's maybe it's a four mile ride, but then there is a place that you can get picked up at the other. And so I tell my husband at like mile three of my four miles. Okay, so now you turn around, you get the car, I'll meet you at the end. And then you can go do that mile by yourself back and forth later on. So you know, it's practical things like that. That over time, you find a way with your spouse to make it work. And my husband, he grew up. He, as I mentioned in the trailer home, I just, his parents are both alive. They live in Mankato and they have, they had six boys. Well, my, there were four boys in his family. He was the middle child, the third one, and she wanted to have a girl. So she got pregnant again and she had identical twin boys. That's her story. And so I think that that different background, I had one sister has made it work for us. And he is, you know, a professor. He writes books. He has his own life. I think especially when you're in one of these kinds of jobs, if the spouse is just, you know, expected to be with you at every single moment and not have your own life, that is a recipe for disaster, which is really in for everyone. They have to get that kind of balance. And I will say I was trying to figure out, we were in Mankato, we did a TV interview together about three days ago and I called him the first husband and he's like that sounds really bad like you have a second husband I've been married over 30 years so I we've decided to call him the first gentleman even though it's kind of traditional so we don't have that confusion right about that because you never had a first gentleman but a professor that writes books that sounds very sexy yeah and it begs the question of whether you do have a second husband I mean um all right uh we've got to go now you have another card or no we don't no no not of course um I want you to give one piece of advice to Donald Trump as you leave Washington one piece okay okay my piece would be stop thinking you're on hgtv okay like start acting like a president which means you have to put the interests of the american people first and now you're going to have this new congress in town and you better find a way to work with them and get something done and that would be my advice i think you may know that i because i was chair of the Rules Committee, as you're aware, including the incoming on January 6th, not only did we deal with the aftermath of that, I was designated to chair the inauguration of Donald Trump. Um, so I actually gave him advice from the inaugural stage. Yes, I'm the only one in history that has been alone in a car for 20 minutes with Donald Trump and Joe Biden. I'm going to let that sit. I'm going to wait for a while to tell those stories. But on that inaugural stage, I knew I had four minutes and I was the only Democrat that could speak. And I knew what I said, um, had to fit the somberness of the occasion, but it also had to be meaningful for the future. And what I noted were three things. Number one, uh, that, that inauguration in the United States of America is held in the people's house and not in a gilded palace. And that's because we have three branches of government in our country. Um, the second thing I noted was that our democracy, cause I wanted to quote Bob Dylan, cause I really liked the Bob Dylan movie at the time. And I noted that our, uh, democracy was the shelter from the storm. And the third thing, which is really relevant to just what happened last night was that the people, the power for the president or for any of the elected officials, I said at the time that were sitting in that rotunda, cause you remember he moved it inside, um, did not come from that rotunda. That was meaningful. Cause who was standing behind me as I said that? Elon Musk. Right. They were all standing there. Remember the photos. And I said, it did not come from in that rotunda. The power came from the people. And last night they showed it. Well, that is my advice to him on that note. Thank you. Governor elect Klobuchar. We'll let you get back to work. Let's have another round of applause. All right. We need to take another quick break. When we come back, we'll get you some of the latest headlines. We'll be right back. 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Apple, Apple and Microsoft are the best. Apple and Microsoft are the best. Apple and Microsoft hit all-time highs with Apple topping $5 trillion. Oil plunged. Chip stocks like NVIDIA fell on fears Democrats will slow down data centers. And the investors seem to like it. So who loses most from the Democratic Congress? Big tech, Elon, Trump himself. And we'll talk a little bit more about Elon, but the shares of both SpaceX and Tesla also went down. The only tech that really did. Well, the data center or the compute companies feel like there'll be more moratoriums. But the bigger story, and we talked about this earlier in the week, I immediately, I give myself an hour of joy and then I immediately go to what could go wrong. And if you look at the people who swung hardest to blue, it was Hispanics. And hands down, the group that swung hardest to blue, 18 to 29-year-olds, went D plus 50 compared to 24. So that's the good news. The bad news is they're sluts electorally. And that is, as soon as they're, they are not loyal at all. And they vote on one thing primarily. And that is they vote on who they think is going to give them the prosperity and the opportunity so they can start their own families. And by the way, there's a myth that they're Neanderthals. They're not fighting for a third bathroom, but they have no problem with it. They're just quite frankly, a bit indifferent to social and geopolitical issues. And you can decide if that's good or bad, but generally speaking, they vote based on who they think is going to offer them prosperity. And the only way we turn this rent into a mortgage or go from, if you will, a relationship to a marriage with these swing voters, I think a lot about young men. It sounded strange. He does think a lot about young men. We have to dispel the myth of the following. The Republicans have done this Houdini trick of associating the GOP brand with economic growth. And I went back and I added up all the GDP growth, the job growth, and the deficits of all 12 administrations since 1980. And I averaged it across Democratic and Republican. In sum, Republicans have added 1 million jobs a year, Democrats 2 million. GDP growth under Republicans has been 2%. 2.1% of GDP. Democrats, it's been 4%. You think, well, tax and spend liberals. The deficits under Republican presidents has been 2.8% of GDP on average per annum. Under Democrats, it's been 2.1%. So in sum, Democratic policies of trying to invest via technology, infrastructure, and education in the engine of economic growth and middle class ends up in more jobs, more economic growth, and lower deficits. So we have to figure out a way to show them. And the thing I quite frankly worry about is that we move to an indignance tour for the next two years, as opposed to outlining economic growth and saying, this is how we are going to ensure the young people recognize the same prosperity that many of us who are a little bit older have recognized. And also the myth, the markets are indifferent. The markets are not the same. Billions of points of light in the form of information, and they give an unemotional response. Because when it comes to money, people put their politics and their emotions aside. They just want to make money. And what the market said today, and you referenced this, oh no, Democrats, full sweep, tax and spend liberals, anti-business, the markets are going to crash. The NASDAQ and the Russell were up 1.5%. The Dow was up 16.5%. Why? Why did it? Why? Why did it? Because they think what? What is the overall market thinking? Because the market says versus a, the reality is you could argue that GOP is pro-business. MAGA is pro-billionaire. And these deficits of $7 trillion in spending, mostly on military and on tax cuts and on tax loopholes, the biggest corporate pork in the world is the $2.4 trillion in tax giveaways we give every year to corporations and the wealthy. The market has said that when you're spending $7 trillion on $5 trillion in receipts, all you're doing is taking interest rates way up, which is bad for the economy. The market sent a clear signal today. They also sent a signal geopolitically. Brent crude was down 8% today. The market said that when Democrats are in control and can start putting up for the guardrails on this individual's foreign policy policy that the flow of oil is going to begin flowing again. In sum, the ultimate neutral arbiter of what works economically and of geopolitics is related to oil has said this blue tsunami is good for the markets and good for the price of gasoline. And we have to maintain that momentum and show people, young people and swing voters, that Democrats, we're socially minded, we're empathetic, but we're the party of prosperity. We're the party of growth. We're the party that's going to put more money in your pocket. That I think that I felt like it was saying, and it was, I was, as you know, I've been listening to the Yuval Harari Sapiens book. And one of the chapters at the end is about capitalism. And one of the things that he noted through historical, especially recently, peace is lucrative. War is not, is not. It really isn't, except for a very small group of weapons dealers or oil companies. It's not, peace is a lucrative thing because of people spend, people feel better, they feel safer in their homes. And so I think probably the market thinks Democrats will stop this Iran nonsense or the Republicans will stop it. And you saw J.D. Vance, who suddenly realized the war in Iran was not a good thing today, which is so funny watching them all kind of do these, well, he's good at pretzel moves. To be fair. So to be fair, supposedly, he was against it. What? To be fair, supposedly. He was, but he didn't articulate it because he's the vice president. He leaked, he leaked stuff all over the place to do so, but he explicitly blamed it on Iran. And yesterday, Ron DeSantis did the same thing. And so maybe there's a movement within the, also in the Republican party to stop this nonsense. So speaking of billionaires or trillionaires, I mean, he might not be one today. Money cannot buy you love. It's also apparently can't buy you elections as Elon Musk learned on Tuesday night. Elon poured nearly a half a billion dollars into the midterms. All you need to see is candidates lose, notably his adopted home state of Texas. His reaction to the results, besides trying to delete his tweets, which is like, what in the fuck, dude? I've got all of them. I've saved all of them. He posted on X, data centers in space looking pretty appealing right now. And also, guess my election interfering, space lasers didn't work this time. He's so not funny. He's, what's the, I don't know what's going on. So where does Elon go from here? Does he, does he self-deport to Mars? What, what do you think happened here? Well, there's, we need to bifurcate. There's the man and then there's the company. And there's just no shortage of states or countries. That would love to have SpaceX or Tesla. I mean, that's the reality. We can be populist and angry at him, but SpaceX and Tesla are important companies. They're American companies. And so I think a lot of states would love to have those companies. I think a lot of states are calling Gwen Shotwell. I mean, I think personally, I think the worst thing for the first time, Texas has gone all blue and like up and down, having said that, and I hate to be the dad boomer here. I think the worst. thing they could do right now is start a populist movement against SpaceX because you want jobs, you want growth. I would like to see Elon Musk have the opportunity to say in front under oath, what exactly happened in the throttling back of a technology. That was a particular, I would also like him to testify about what happened with Doge. And in Texas, I do think they should show scrutiny because apparently Greg Abbott did a lot of sweetheart deals and you've got to look at those. I see a distinction between the two because the president, in my opinion, is responsible for Doge. Now, someone who's the world's wealthiest man being involved in endorsing and making recommendations on things, on pulling the HIV medication for HIV positive mothers. I don't understand the reason, literally the reason why you'd want to become the richest man in the world only to potentially be responsible for the most people's deaths. And this goes to a larger thing, I think a lot about masculinity. One of the, we've been talking about this, we've been processing this all day and it's been a very emotional day. And I imagine a lot of you have felt like, do you know those moments where you don't know how to process something? I woke up this morning and I just didn't know how to process this. And I started slowly, but learning as I was watching cable TV, I processed it by crying a lot. And one of the things I can't stand about the last 10 years where my boys have gone from nine to 19 and from six to 16, look at our male role models. Naturally, the premier, the male role model, if it's a man, is going to be the president. And the second in a capitalist society is going to be the world's wealthiest man. Think about this generation of young men and who the role models have been. My point is we just, we are so desperate for some people who see masculinity as, sure, you provide, these are wealthy, successful men, but the whole point of garnering enough strength such that you can be economically successful is you immediately go to the next level of perfection. The wondrous thing about America and the reason we have been an enduring power is we didn't see our conquest and our strength through might and through intimidation. We saw it through mutual interest and empathy. They're terrible role models. There are so many people born male that never become men and one is in the White House and one is landing rockets on scissors. Well, I have a, I have a suggestion. I think we need to let, uh, those women of color who won in Georgia just run things. One. And I think all the women across the country need to maybe step up and be that the role models that we actually need for both men and women. That's my feeling. But nonetheless, where is Elon going to go? What's he going to do now? He's going to suddenly, he's, he's deleted these tweets. He's some, I'm waiting for a call. What do you think? I think he's going to call me. I do. And then I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm going to do the Amy Acton. I'm going to let it go to voicemail. Um, which to me was the single, that's the single finest thing today. Amy acting, letting Vivek Ramaswamy's concession go to voicemail and, and you leave it in voice. You, you leave that man on red. That's what you do. I'm being, I'm being serious. I was trying to think today, does he leave the country because he's going to be hauled in front of Congress many times. And I got to imagine his lawyers are going to have to prep him for about 30 days and say, okay, don't say this. You purged yourself here. And if he gets a pardon, what's interesting is if he gets a pardon, there are a lot of legal scholars saying, if you get a pardon, you can't take the fifth because you no longer need protection. In addition, even if you get a federal pardon, it doesn't pursue, it doesn't prevent the state's AG from going after you. So I think there's a non-zero probability. I want to be clear. I don't think, I don't think SpaceX or Tesla, I hope they remain in America. I wonder, and I'll, I'll put this to you. I wonder if he leaves the country. Where does he go? I don't know. Where does he go? Russia. No, no, he won't need to do that. Look, no, I, I understand the, the sentiment, but where seriously there are care out there. So I don't know where there are so many nations that, uh, that would think we need that type of innovation and growth, whether you believe it's good or not, you would have no shortage of offers. No shortage. I don't know. We'll see. I mean, he's probably gonna move to Florida. That's my guess. Yeah. And they would take them with open arms. Uh, Florida, someone in Florida said today, they feel like cause Florida stayed red, but it was close. Angie Nixon. We should give kudos to, for the work. He did a great job. Um, they screwed up. I mean, the retrospect, we should have poured more money into that race in that race. She got more money. We poured too much into these other races because we thought, oh, Tallarico has got to fight off a half a billion. All of these people, we spend too much money, quite frankly, given the results, because we just couldn't believe the actual polling. What's interesting or the more interesting question I think is I was thinking today, all right, Rubio and Vance, the likelihood they became the, become the GOP nominees went down five or 10 points today because they have been infected. Well folks, there's always another mag out there. Uh, and by the way, okay. Tucker Carlson. Um, but I, I personally, I was trying to think what, there are about a dozen, the Democrats right now have the 1992, uh, uh, Olympic basketball dream team. You could go six deep right now and think, yeah, that guy could be president or she could be president or there are so the bench is so strong. Basically the two people everyone thought would be the GOP nominee or most likely Rubio and Vance. I've gotten Ebola as of this. Yeah. But you saw, you saw today, Nikki Haley was making a play. What's interesting is what Republicans will ascend in the next two to three weeks. My bet is, and this won't go over. Well, I think DeSantis, you're going to hear his name a lot. Cause he distanced himself from Trump. I'm not saying who I want grow up. Um, but he basically, he distanced himself from Trump. He's in a very popular, he's in a state that is doing really well. He ran. So he has some infrastructure set up. I just think it's a very interesting question. Who will fill the vacuum of the Rubio and Vance infection of as of this. Who? Oh, the white boots. Oh, the white boots. Come on. Well, come on Dukakis in the helmet. It works. He's absolutely right. Um, I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. I think, you know, I always say that J.D. Vance has the charm of a cyber truck. And I think just I think J.D. Vance is dead sexy compared to Ron DeSantis. So and J.D. Vance is not dead sexy. Anyway, we'll see what happens to Elon Musk. We'll be on pins and needles. And I'm excited for me to leave him on red in my cell phone. Anyway, we'll take a quick break and we'll be back to take some audience questions. Running a business shouldn't feel like surviving a software group project. One app for accounting, another for inventory, another for sales. And somehow none of them talk to each other. That's where Odoo comes in. An all-in-one business management software that brings every part of your business together. From sales and accounting to inventory and marketing. All-in-one powerful platform. No messy integrations. No bouncing between tabs. And best of all, no spreadsheets. 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It's often been said you really can't put too many restrictions on pornography because you have to know it when you're talking. You see it. When it comes to the blue wave, tsunami, this overwhelming response, so many people have been saying we don't want retribution. We don't want vengeance, but we do want accountability. What would you say are good rules of depth perception on the difference between accountability and vengeance? I'll answer that. It's a really interesting thing because it's going on in the Democratic. They don't want they don't want to blow this right. They don't want to just look like the. Anti-Trump party. And I think that's probably the thing. So a lot of them are talking about not impeaching Trump because what's the point? It would just make you feel better and it doesn't do anything. And it always seems to help him when he's the victim. That's one thing. And then to specifically go after criminal behavior. Kristi Noem would come to mind possibly about what happened. Pete Hegseth is another person. Start to like or the or the Trump sons. And I and I don't mean that's not a witch hunt. Some of their deal. Things I mean, Hunter Biden wasn't creative enough, obviously, but the the the Trump and he wasn't it was like paintings. Come on, you can do better than that. He's turned into a such a strange, interesting celebrity, too. But, you know, I think go after real criminal behavior. And then I I think absolutely there should be congressional hearings and very significant investigations into what happened with Doge and the data. I just feel. And if it leads to Elon Musk, it leads. Elon Musk. But some I just interviewed Michael Lewis about this in his book, Blockers, and some of the act and these people who stopped what they were doing, the way they were doing it was it may not have been illegal, but it should it should be surfaced what these muskrats did. That's what they call themselves. And and the and it may not be criminal. It just might be grotesque and sickening. But we should have an accounting of what happened there. So very, I think, very surgically. And then at the same time, you know, I have this podcast. I have a podcast with Hillary Clinton. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. We can do things. The Democrats can do things for the people and also hold people accountable. OK, right here. Hi, I'm Mark. Welcome to Minneapolis. Thank you for coming. Thank you. I wrote my question down, so I wouldn't ramble too much. So right, wrong or indifferent. I've I've felt that Republicans have been pretty good at simplistic messaging. Yes. I don't necessarily agree with it. Yeah. It's simplistic and it's soundbites and maybe that's been in the last 10 years, but it hits their base in some independents. Well, what do you think of Democrats message messaging historically compared to now? And I know I know the issues have driven a lot of where we saw success, but their messaging. What do you think of that? And do you have any predictions of what the message will be or should be going into 2028? Scott is more of an expert, but let me just say, I think they're getting amazing. I have to say a lot of these Mamdani, El-Sayed and the other day, AOC went not communism, common sense. And I thought, wow, that was a really, you know, they're getting very good at it. Scott. Yeah, we we need to be careful. We need to move from being the last thing we want is an impeachment sentimental tour. I just think that's a disaster. If we decide to fire those engines up again, the Democratic Party needs to move from being the party of indignance to ideas. And it's it's like we literally have to within I think within 30 days have to outline a bunch of proposals and let him let him veto them, but say, all right, we need to move towards universal health care. We're going to lower Medicare eligibility by two years a year for ten years until we get to 45 in a decade. Two thirds of medical care is for people over the age of 45. We need to reverse the tax code. It's such that people who are earners pay a lower tax rate than the owners of people who own stocks. We need a series of big, mandatory national service. We need a series of big, bold ideas and say, this is our agenda, as opposed to just hauling people in front of Congress, because I can't I can't wait to haul a Kushner or someone in front of Congress. It'll make for great theater for those of us who watch C-SPAN are in this theater. But the swing voters who are going to turn this relationship into a marriage, they care about growth. They care about economic growth. I also personally think that the in care of notes, this is true. I'm boasting because I'm desperate for your affirmation. But both of us get calls from presidential candidates. And I believe that anyone who's a serious presidential guy, I think a great message would be the following. If elected president, we have a 30 trillion dollar economy. We make the best weapons in the world. We believe in democracy. We have saved Europe twice. We're going for a third time. And Putin, I have more money and weapons than you have young men to kill. And we are not going to stop supporting Ukraine until you leave Ukraine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have to they have to be bold and they have to be willing to lose, like say things, pass things. And let's see if I don't think he's going to veto as much as you think. I think he's he knows he's he's a crock. It's an old crocodile. And I don't think he wants to go out. Well, he's going to go out fat and bloated. But, you know, I don't I think he does have a sense that he'll shift back because he has no values and therefore he'll take whatever idea other people have take credit for it. And we're just today he just talked about the ballroom, which is just atrocious. I live in Washington and I joke that it's like Scar took over Pride Rock living there right now. So those big ass gold statues. Are. I can't even anyway, right here. Hey. My name is Dina. Thanks for coming, you guys. As soon as I saw the date of the show right after the election, I was like, oh, I have to. They're going to have so much to say. One of the things I'm most excited about for yesterday is as a Canadian, I was born and raised in Canada. We love the Canadians. Yes. I am excited to have a Congress who is hopefully going to dispel this Canada as 51st state tariff. The hell. That's done. I'm so done with that. I came here, Cara, from Canada to Silicon Valley. I think probably I was there right around the same time you were getting started as a reporter. Scott, I do love you, but this is for Cara. Sexism, obviously, is still alive and well in tech. Yes, indeed. It was even more so that way when I started my career. My question for you is, what advice would you give? What advice would you give to the young women who, like my daughter who just turned 18, are trying to make it in a world where sexism is still so alive and well? How did you do that with all of those rooms, with all of those men who thought you were just little, cute? Nobody thought I was little and cute. Well, okay. I always used to say I'm always at a sausage party, and then I proceeded to have three sons. I have a daughter also. It's actually worse than it was. There were many more women in higher positions of power, like Susan Wojcicki, even for all up or down. Sheryl Sandberg was a high-ranking Meg Whitman. There were lots and lots of women in relatively high positions. Now, if you go to look at one of those Trump dinners, it's all the dudes and their girlfriends, essentially. And it's really depressing, and it's a different kind of sexism that is harder to more easily combat, because they feel that they all get ahead because of their meritocracy. And the thing I said about them was, what I came to the conclusion pretty quickly, is it's not a meritocracy, it's a meritocracy. And they help each other, and they don't think, they can't believe you think they are sexist. And we covered a lot of that. There was a lawsuit at one point, and it was a real eye-opener. For a lot of people in Silicon Valley, I'm not sure what to do to get women and girls into math, even if you get more women and girls into math than STEM, how effective that's going to be because of the inbuilt way it is. And the last thing I'd say, one time when I was in Silicon Valley, someone said, well, if there was only a Marsha Zuckerberg, maybe people would respect women more. And I was so close to punching this person in the face. I don't have any answers, but it's. It's worse than it was. There's certain categories of tech, robotics, not AI, that's a sausage fest over there. I'm trying to think of what the areas, what areas of tech have more women in it. Robotics is all I can think of. Well, you know more about. Biotech, of course, biotech and medicine. Pharma, that's not tech. You know more about. There's definitely. mRNA vaccines, things like that. There's definitely a virus of. Bohemian Rhapsody in tech right now. Right. But the data across C-level executives is actually quite encouraging, the last. In tech? No, C-level executives. Yes, other places, yes. Across industry. Yeah. But to your point, I'm going to stay away from this. Okay. Okay. So we're going to end a bit on a serious note. Today, both Scott and I went to the place where Alex Preddy was shot. And there was also this wonderful morgue to him and Renee Good when federal agents killed them. The two of them on the streets of Minneapolis. The people of the city did not look away, as Senator Klobuchar said and Governor-elect Klobuchar said. They showed up in sub-zero cold, filled the streets and protected their neighbors. This was a great. One of the great acts of democracy that I can see. And I think the governor is absolutely right. There should be a memorial there. I hope there is. It's these small acts of democracy that make a difference. And you all made a difference. And I think there's a line in Game of Thrones where Arya's killed everybody. But she says the North remembers. And I just want to say what you guys did is we remember what you did. Yeah. We were talking about this. You know, everyone has low moments, right? You have moments in your relationships, professions. Internationally, where you just think, oh, this is awful. This is like, this couldn't, this is just so bad. And if you're here, you care a lot about the country and our nation and civics. I think we were here, the last time we were here, we came here after the murders. And I felt, and I think Kara also shared, I felt like that was literally a low moment in recent history. Where we had an ICU. We had an ICU nurse and a mother of three murdered by government officials. And to come back seven months later, and we both went to the memorial. And I hope it provides you as Minnesotans, and I really hope that the families of Alex and Renee take some comfort in knowing today that their deaths were not in vain. And what did we do to honor them? We voted. We voted. That's correct. Absolutely. So, great. Fantastic. Keep voting. Keep being great citizens that you are. And thank you again to our title sponsor, Beehive. If you've got something to say, Beehive gives you the tools to publish it, grow your audience, and get paid. Get 30% off your first three months at Beehive.com slash pivot with code pivot30. I really like the Beehive people. They're great. Thanks also to. 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