By listening to the Conscious Fertility Podcast, you agree to not use this podcast as medical advice to treat any medical condition and either yourself or others. Console your own physician or healthcare provider for any medical issues that you may be having. This entire disclaimer also applies to any guests or contributors to the podcast. Welcome to Conscious Fertility, the show that listens to all of your fertility questions so that you can move from fear and suffering to peace of mind and joy. My name is Warren Brown. I'm a doctor, traditional Chinese medicine and a clinical hypnotherapist. I'm on a mission to explore all the paths to peak fertility and joyful living. It's time to learn how to be and receive so that you can create life on purpose. Welcome back to the Conscious Fertility Podcast. Today I'm excited to have Dr. Amit Daswami back again. We had him earlier a few years back on episode number 62. It was called Quantum Integrated Healing. He was joined with Dr. Valentino Anasor in that talk. They've done a lot of books together. Today we're going to be talking about his latest book, The Ascent of Humanity. I want to introduce you to Amit and do a little introduction. We're going to dive into why he wrote the book and what the books about. I think we're going to realize it is so important this book right now and the evolution of our world and the dangers that we perceive. Let me just dive into it and just introduce you to Dr. Amit Daswami. He's a theoretical quantum physicist and a retired professor from the University of Oregon where he taught for nearly 30 years. He's a pioneer in bridging science and spirituality best known for his solution to the quantum measurement problem and his development of a science of consciousness. Dr. Guaswami is the founder of the quantum activism movement and quantum activism, Vishwalam. It's an educational institution in India focused on transformative learning grounded in quantum science. He's the author of so many books. I'll name a few and they're very influential including the self-aware universe, the quantum doctor, quantum spirituality and his latest book that we're talking about today is the ascent of humanity, quantum biology and our future. If you haven't listened to our earlier episode number 62 quantum integrative healing, please do so. Amit, welcome back to the Conscious Fertility Podcast. Oh, got to be back. Thank you for having me. Thank you for writing so many books. It's for writing this one. You know, at the time of this recording, you know, it just seems like world events keep changing and a lot of people are saying we're in a breakdown before we have a breakthrough. Some people say this is part of the human evolution and when I was reading your book, I was like, it kind of gives us a roadmap to understand what's happening in our world and how we move through this world to evolve. So I was hoping we could dive a little bit into your book a bit and I'm curious, why did you write this book? Well, I've been concerned like everybody else and you know, since I have developed a quantum biology which clearly shows that there is an biological arrow of time, we do progress from simple to complex and there is a spiritual progression, spiritual theory of evolution, which suggests that this is not the way that is going to go forever. In fact, change is about to come because the world is so chaotic today that change is inevitable and the change is probably better. Now, I'm going to kind of go through, I made some notes about your book and there's certain things I pull out and I want to kind of get you to elaborate on a little bit. So our listeners, we're not going to read the book, you got to go and get the book, but I'm just going to highlight a few things for the chapter. So kind of early on in the book, one of the things that stood out is kind of how you talk about biology without consciousness is biology without life, basically. I'd love for you to kind of go into that and you talk about this downward causation and how it challenges conventional biology because in my world, I feel that there's kind of two paradigms. There's this new paradigm that is based on quantum science. There's this old paradigm based on Newtonian science and how does what you've written your book and what you know challenge our conventional biology by this downward causation? Yeah, well, see molecular biology, do you idea that biology is chemistry? It's simply plain raw. It assumes that life just emerges out of a complex system, but it's an assumption. It's an assumption that does not hold good and not only that. It is not in compatibility with Darwin's theory of evolution anyway because Darwin's theory says survival is the important criterion of living beings. Survival is what drives them for evolution. Now, can molecules, if they're material molecules, can they survive? Survivality is not survivability, it's not a molecular property. This is where molecular biology goes through. They have tried to try and try to produce survivable molecules that molecules who can survive, many experiments have been done, but none have succeeded. This theory shows that molecules do not have survivability. Survivality is a property of life. Then the question is how does life arise then? If you take the quantum worldview, consciousness is the ground of being, and then life can arise because consciousness divides itself into living and not living, manifested itself in that way. So there is an explanation of how living and life can happen. Whereas in the molecular theory, not only you get really theory of life, except to save big words like life, we want to just in a complex system. You get contradiction with important Darwin's theory of evolution that biology is themselves, doubt us till you find out theory, which also is not correct. Darwin's theory is not a complete theory either. Thank you. You talked about manifestation, and I'm going to go on a small tangent because you've talked about this in other books, but it also comes into this book about there's these waves of possibility that we collapse into actuality. It makes me think manifestations such a hot topic that you see people write about. I'm curious your take on it from the research in quantum physics and your own life experience. How I want to set it up is it seems like people think they can go into a store I want I get, like manifestations that easy. I want it so I created. I started to have to quote everything should be made as simple as possible, but not too simple. I sometimes think this idea of manifestations been made too simple. Then I've interviewed on our podcast like Dean Raiden who talks about manifestation and my interpretation from it is you are participating, but it's not like you I want I get. In your book you talk about the, it reminding me of manifestation when you talk about there's all these possibilities that you collapse into actuality. Can you talk a little bit more about this because in somewhere around chapter two you get into this quantum physics and how we're participating and I was wondering if you could elaborate a little bit on that and tied into this manifestation concept that so many people are teaching and trying to do and talking about. Absolutely. You know because of no thanks to social media, the idea of simple very simple ideas, sell a lot more than slightly complex ideas, but you're quite right that quote from Einstein things can be simple but no simple. It cannot make any things any simpler than what the truth is. The consciousness that collapses possibilities into actuality is not our ego consciousness. It is the consciousness which is the ground of all being. It is the non-local consciousness, non-local consciousness that belongs to all of us. It's the universal cost of consciousness that we all belong to. That's the right way of putting it. And then because of reflection in the bit of memory we become our egoists, we become conditioned and then we have our particular wishes, particular desires, particular intentions. And sure all of us would like to create the world as we intend. But of course it is also true just to improve the version of your own life will show that no you don't get what you always wish. In fact most of the time you don't get it. Sometimes you do get it. And then if you do carefully, sometimes that you do get it, you would find that what happened in those cases is that what you are intending was in consonants with the movement of consciousness. This is the key thing that if consciousness as a whole, the holistic consciousness, the cross-bekonsciousness agrees to its theory intention because consciousness has purpose in it. The evolution theory clearly shows that objects go from simple to complex why? Because there is purpose in evolution. And purpose of evolution is to evolve us towards this more, more manifestation of the values human values, the archetypes. And therefore if my action is in consonants with the movement of consciousness,
which is to promotion and embodiment of the archetypes for humanity. Then of course your intention comes true. Otherwise your intention doesn't come true. This is the actual case. And you cannot make it any simpler. And as Einstein says, everything should be made as simple, but not too simple, meaning that if you make it too simple, you lose the value and the essence of it. Exactly. If anybody could get anything that one desires just by waging and archetypes will jump to him in reward, that would be absurd. Because then the world would have got, obviously, would be completely full of conflicts, because we are always desiring, conflicting things, the same thing, but from different point of view. And what would happen if everybody got it? Just by wiping everybody around the tree, the sacred. So close. All right. So we got to align with consciousness as you're saying. It's not the ego that gets what it wants. Consciousness gets to manifest through you. So, and I think we'll talk about surrender later on, because you talk about this in your book. I want to kind of go somewhere midway, brown chapter four, you start talking about biology. And I want to get into the healing, healing of biology, healing of emotions, trauma, because I think a lot of our listeners are interested in that. And again, you talk about like genes are not truly blueprints, is the interpretation I get. They're like scripts, and they're waiting for actors and consciousness is the director. So these genes are waiting for the conscious director to put them into action. Can you talk about the central dogma of molecular biology and kind of what you think is incomplete about it? Also, how does quantum biology then reinterpret the genes role? OK, so the central dogma of molecular biology is that information can only go from genes to proteins, not from proteins to genes. There is a barrier, a wise one barrier, that prevents proteins to send information to genes. And a mark, who gave us a theory of evolution as well, this theory was a quiet characteristic. The proteins change, and those proteins itself, that's really the item of evolution. What it helps is the changes in the proteins, changes in the body, a quiet characteristic that the body gets like the soul of human feet. Why is it so thick? Because human beings at some point must have encountered an environment which required working into very hard terrain and therefore their feet got thick-soul, and that is what propagated and evolved. That's the left-hand theory. But the reason they're running and say, well, OK, but what is the mechanism of propagation? Because proteins cannot communicate to genes, so they cannot really produce like genes, come to us through reproduction. That mechanism is not available for proteins. This was the problem. I solved this problem. How in quantum theory of evolution, what happens is in quantum biology, what happens is that there is non-local memory. Memory is not only local, but also non-local memory. So this non-local memory, memory outside of space and time, that can propagate from one generation to another as a whole species. So entire species, you perhaps say, not an entire species initially, but a group of these species develops a particular characteristic. Let's say the protein is changing in a particular way, like the soul gets thick for a few human beings. And then because they're all correlated, this is the peculiar quantum concept. Correlation means or entanglement. It means that if two objects are correlated, they can communicate faster than the piece of three of light. They can communicate instantly because they're communicating outside space and time. Where speed of light limit or signals does not hold. In fact, the communication is without signals. So this is the thing, that this signal is communication that propagates this information that works in the change proteins and that goes into the next generation because of reincarnation. That is the form of reincarnation because this non-local memory is available not only now, but also in the future by the members of the same species. And so some members will be getting this non-local memory of the change that happens to the proteins. And that's the way the change in the proteins can go from one generation to another. And after a few generations, these groups get larger and larger and then the whole species gets thick. And so just for unpacking this, this is the whole idea of a new science quantum physics where it's very different than Newtonian physics where it's very materialism and linear. And what you're talking about, which is still a new concept for many of us, this idea of non-local and things are beyond space and time happening, everything's happening now all at once. And so it's hard to get your brain around it. But you're sharing then some of the reasons why, you know, people come in and they talk about this in conscious work or healing work where people are carrying trauma that they didn't experience it, right? And some say it's their generational trauma and some say it's part of the collective. Some even say right now, as we're recording this, that there is a collective human awakening and suffering does lead to awakening. And it's the first time maybe on our planet where it seems like nobody is escaping this awakening, this suffering, like it's not like, oh, it's just this country or this race, seems like the whole planet of humanity is in this awakening process. So a collective awakening, you kind of align with that? Yeah, well, indeed, if you look at the whole world today, it's some kind of a commonality that people are in a crisis. And some people, obviously in this whole climate of crisis, they are not persuaded by this crisis. They are on the other hand, waking. They are waking up. So what is the mystery of these two people? In fact, the manor is so few, that he's talking the internet psychologist. He suggests that there may be 15% of us who are into this awakening. Right. He said there was a certain tipping point, I think. My favorite, he's written many books as well. I really liked his book Letting Go. That was one of my favorite books he wrote. But he talks about that awakening in that, a lot of math, his books, a lot of mathematical vibration of emotions. But you tie this into this awakening process that we're experiencing. And what I want to get into is, you know, like you said, get out of the ego, this is my interpretation, it's consciousness doing stuff through us. So if things are happening in this world that is really outside of our control, what's in our controls, how we react to it and how we consciously respond to it as well, what kind of action we take. So that's what I think your book shares with us. Yes. What we can do is to participate. We can do is to participate in the movement of consciousness. Join it instead of opposing it. Instead of staying quiet, not doing anything or opposing it. We should rejoin it, rejoin the movement of consciousness. If we intend according to the movement of consciousness and if we really carry through what needs to be done, which means a lot of creative work. Because consciousness works through us. This is just a point that religions always missed. Their version was that God did it. And we don't do anything. But the modern science, quantum science is showing us that it is not that way. We have to participate. We have to be creative with that consciousness, that universal consciousness. Then only things happen. So this participatory idea is extremely important. We participate. And that is the way changes the place. So it's 15% enough to 50% is growing because of the incandescial process that goes on and on. So the groups become bigger and bigger. So these changes are coming, but it's hardly visible right now. It is visible for people like Professor Hawking, but it is not visible to ordinary people. They only look at the chaos. So look at your plan. Look at it and look at all this stuff. All this mess that is going on. But beyond the mess, there is this unseen process that is going on. So many more people are being interested in meditation and creativity in their accounting process, the center of humanity. And so you look at this then, like you see it differently than just the chaos. You can see the chaos, but you can see something behind the chaos yourself. I can see something behind the chaos. There was a purpose to it. In the world that I live in, the people that I interact with and there are thousands of people. They are not into chaos much at all. They are on the other hand into creativity and to really building their life into transformation. They are taking transformation seriously. And for our listeners, that's what this book is about, how to participate. So again, check out your bookstore or your online bookstore for the sense of humanity. We're continuing on here. One of my favorite chapters was the chapter that you talk about, like the creative evolution. And you talk about this idea of like the quantum gap, which is crucial for creativity. And I liked it because just my own experience, you know, when I go on holiday,
days and rest. That's when all my, I get my best ideas come, right? And then I started purposely, you know, rather than thinking I come up with these ideas a couple years ago became very obvious to me that I'm, I can be like a receiver and these ideas are out there and I can just pull them into me. It felt like. And so I started these different practices to get into a space, which at first was uncomfortable. Uncomfortable because, you know, I'm like, I'm planning this world to manifest and the ego's really involved because I'm trying to create my future and how it's going to look and what I'm going to do. And to get into this space, it was a practice of feeling to, I had to get comfortable in the unknown. I had to get comfortable with not knowing and trusting the process, which I, I had to, it's a practice. I'm still practicing it. It's a discipline. And so I, I open that up for you to kind of share a little bit about this quantum gap and, and it's, and how you see this or can you give more of the science behind this creative evolution in this pause and how uncertainty and unknown actually plays in it because the ego has to know, but it's actually the opposite has been my experience to be, to become comfortable with that unfamiliar feeling, I guess is my way. But I'd love to hear more about it. The mind, open mind is another way of putting it. The ego's problem is, the ego's problem is that it's closed. It, you tend to be conditioned. It's come to come. It wants to choose only in the conditioned spectrum of its experiences. Outside of conditioning, it doesn't want to go. So, ego has to be sometimes, you know, it has to be hammered by two or four in order to open up. And that opening up is the discovery. The discovery that you made that you have to have much more flexibility. This is the actual, the discovery. The process of creativity is preparation and conscious processing. Then a certain insight is certain insight is the key. Certain insights. Certain is a quantum leap. Like an, when an electron jumps from one atomic orbit to another, it does not go to the intervening space. So that sudden insight is really a quantum leap from the existing belief system into a completely new system. You are really discovering something new with new meaning and new value. This is the point. And before then the process is the preparation and unconscious processing. Why? Because preparation gives you, creates quantum objects. And when you are unconscious, these objects can be referred like waves. They become waves. They sit one of the characteristics of quantum objects. They are particles when you are not looking at them. They are waves when you are not looking at them. So when you are creating these thoughts with an open mind, with imagination, when you are not looking at them, when you are not thinking them anymore, when you are just relaxing, then these quantities become waves and they start becoming bigger and bigger like waves too and gives you many, many more possibilities to choose from. This is the key. And out of those choices, your theory, your intention is in consonants with the movement of consciousness. Consciousness helps you to take a quantum leap. You recognize it. And that's the insight. After that, there's the manifestation stage where you manifest the insight. Now in biological evolution, this actually leaves quantum leap sub-taken place. This is what gives rise to the phenomenon of fossil gaps. Fossils are not continuous as ordinary leaders believe or ordinary rendition of Darwin's theory usually does not emphasize the fossil gap. But the fossil record is not continuous. It has discontinuous gaps in it. In other words, the clear of life that is constructed is not a continuous tree. The limbs are not continuous, but there is a separation, there is that little gap in which there is no fossil. In other words, there has been very quick evolution and followed by the wrong slow evolution. Darwin sees this low part and quantum leaping is the fast part. I don't know if you're familiar with him. He's written a lot, teacher of consciousness, archaeologist Greg Brayden. He's written a lot and he talks about these quantum leaps. He goes, you can see in the humanity, there are phases where it's not like this slow DNA evolution. There's times where there's just a massive leap and we can't connect the dots like you're sharing. So do you think then our climate is changing, right? Technology is changing. We've got a lot of electrical, magnetic energy that impacts people. We've got lots of Wi-Fi everywhere. We have our climate is getting really hot in some places and really wet and dry in other dry summer areas. Do you foresee or are you actually seeing even that? I don't know if you can actually see quantum leap, but are you, do you predict a quantum leap in this biology? Well, quantum leap that is going to take place is already going to be a little different. The quantum leaping that took place in the biological evolution was more in the hardware. It was actually quantum leaping which the genes actually participated in the quantum leaping that is taking place in the humanity is more of the software. That is the, you touched upon this a little bit before. Genes are not by themselves able to do anything. They have to be selected upon some genes have to be activated and those activated genes are the ones that make the appropriate proteins for the organs. So when you make an organ, every organ in the human body has the same genes, but every organ does not activate all the genes that it has. Then it could perform all the functions of the body, but it doesn't do it. It selects a function like liver. It's a job is to give the bile, the digestive material. So in this way, every organ is only activating those genes that are necessary to make those proteins that will help the organ to carry out with function. So the quantum gene activators must then activate those genes and who activates the quantum gene activate? His consciousness tells us that they help up what to partial extent morphogenic fields. This is the subtle way that the biological software enters the picture. The morphogenic fields are the vital software and organ runs by. And for the evolution of humanity in the time that we have, we are talking about evolution taking place in 100 years, 1000 years at the most. That's the human kind of times tell that we are interested in. We don't leave any more than 100 years. Animals devolve through millions of years. That's the our evolutionary past. They have the evolution of hardware was the important thing, the genetic evolution, the gene's subpruching and that takes a long, very long time. The quantum leaves take very long time in between. But in the top two, the quantum leaping can take place very fast. And this is the advantage that we are taking, we have to be talking about, because I am convinced that if we all get attention, many more people would be waking up right now. And many more people joining the quantum leap that we are talking about. And changes can happen very fast. It can happen within the next decade, it can happen within the next century, it can happen within the next millennium, that we cannot predict. Because these are all very short times and biological times to get. But it will take place because the software can't change just like that. If we all work hard with these ideas in mind, and like you discovered, keep an open mind and join the creative process, take quantum leaps and then manifest in body the archetype that they are exploring. Then changes can happen faster than we can. I want to unpack that a little bit on two levels. So first, it's just, I really love because I often use that metaphor for myself to understand, you know, when you update the software, you get better use out of the hardware. There's a shift in the hardware. So our physical bodies are hardware. And then our beliefs are subconscious programs, our beliefs are mindset. That's kind of the software. And people know that you download a new software on your phone or if you have an electric car, sometimes, you know, the car hasn't changed the hardware. But when you when you download the new software, all of a sudden you get more battery use out of your car, right? Or now you get more cameras turned on. But it was always there. They just weren't able to be turned on until you got the up. You're accessing much of the hardware better. That's the physiology changes. Right. But I'll change what I'll add where it's different because the the hardware you get more out of the hardware when we talk machines. So a metaphor is never perfect with humans. The actual hardware can change like the hardware can even get a bit of an upgrade. So you can actually because you know, the car is what it is, but we're constantly, you know, through our diet stuff changing. We can turn on and off genes and build muscle build tissues. So, you know, there was those studies with multiple personality disorders just to talk with the software hardware. And one personality needs reading glasses. The other personality does not. One personality when you do a blood test is diabetic. The other personality isn't. Same hardware, but the software is different. So you get a different biology. And you get a completely different.
Yeah, it's precisely it. As people grow, in fact, we discovered that, you know, these biological systems the vital body, these multiple genetic fields, they are distributed in the body in such a way that their confluence are held in seven different places in the body, they're called chakras. These chakras were discovered millennia ago in the east but probably paid much attention and now we have really discovered them with the help of shellwreck using quantum theory. Chakras have those places where the software and hardware are working together, divide out software and the physical hardware and this is where all the organs are. So actually, you know, people talk about the heart and the heart indeed is the place which is very, very important in that people can take a quantum leap in the heart and then they are able to love. They have embodied the archetype of love and when you do that, the physiology of the heart changes. It's a lot of the hardware before only a blood pump, just pumping blood in the body. They are important functional doubts but with the quantum leap, now a person can additionally take care of another person. It's taking care, disability was not there before. Now the organ in this heart chakra has down this additional additional ability, taking care of another person. Before, the immune system that is also at the heart chakra in the form of the time of the gland, that has the characteristic of being defensive because it is protecting the body against intruders. But the immune system is overruled by the heart. The immune system is suspended and instead, the heart now can take care of the produces the proteins that are necessary for us to include other people in our consciousness, which is what love is about. So actually, we're quite right. The physiology of the organs actually changes. Yes, the hardware, the way the hardware behaves actually changes. We can change. I mean, I know they see this in brain work where they can see new wiring of the brain right. New sun abs is like they do see things changing as you shared, which is so important. Every cell, every organ has all the genetics that it needs to create, like the cell in the liver could create a nose or could create a heart, but it's something's telling it to be the liver. And so that's also really interesting that all that information's there, but something is coming through it to make it do what it needs to do. And you're talking about this conscious energy. And we're going to talk more about this quantum biology then and this software how we change it. I want to unpack one more thing about this quantum gap idea because to me, where I am in my evolution, this is the part of to help me get into the gap across the surrender, you know, getting quiet. And I interpreted in the work I do because of lowering the resistance. You know, when you have resistance, when you're fighting with reality in Chinese medicine, and I'm trained in, we call it cheese stagnation, you kind of block flow and receptivity. So when you said this process of getting the gap, there's preparation, there's process and insight. My experience has been that when I'm able, I call it notice, accept choose again, my listeners know this. It reminds me of our interview that we did reminding the listeners episode 62. You talk about B do, B do, B do, right? So it was like, you know, notice I'm triggered. Everything is neutral and I give it meaning. And don't take anything personally. Then there's this whole process of accepting, right? And accepting doesn't mean you like or resign to anything. It just means you accept this is what's happening right now, right? It to me, what I think happens is drops the resistance because you're no longer fighting with reality. And now flowing receptivity flows through you. And this is what you called insight. I tell people because people go, I need to know what to do. And I'm like, if you act out of fear and lack, you're going to get more fear and lack. If you act out of whole and completeness, you'll get more abundance. The action may look exactly the same, but what's the beingness behind you're doing? That's why I love your B do B do. And so the first step is to get into the state of being as surrender. And then I believe what I experience is inspired thought comes through you, which I'm a company as your insight, which leads to inspired action. You talk a lot about this in your book. So I want people to look at your books because there is a science behind this process. I just wanted to share that part. Yeah. Yeah. Just go on. Just go very beautifully. That is precisely the major part of the process. We knew ideas arise and we have resistance. And then all of a sudden with the quantum leap, the assistant drops and we can about turn and can accept it, accept any idea. It is the human being's participation is the acceptance because the ideas come from the consciousness from from cosmic consciousness. All ideas come from there. But from people are two obtuse that mind is not open. They cannot look at it and cannot accept it. Whereas the prepared mind the mind which has who has gone through the do we do we do is able to make that about turn and accept the new and let that stay inside. We join in. In other words, we participate in the new inside that came. We overcame that gap that existed between the old and the new. We took a quantum leap. We live to the gap. And you know, this idea of participation, it also I think of how we can easily become victims. What I interpreted as well when you said in manifestations, not the ego, it's consciousness working through you, but you need to participate. It's not like this consciousness doing it for you. You participate. And I think in life and in healing, if you're waiting for somebody else to do it or you're blaming, back puts you kind of in a victim state. However, if you take a participatory role, now to me, you have accountability and responsibility. And so now because there's been trauma in your in the in the collective or in your ancestors or in your life, sitting as a victim doesn't really serve you well. And if you can help heal that to participate in your healing, then you can transform this intergenerational trauma. How do you see this? And the work that you're sharing, you talk about this, you know, the vital software and how you're talking we talk a little bit about how it impacts the DNA, we shared about that there's this non-local and you can inherit traits outside of your own personal current experience. How do you see this then the theory affecting healing and intergenerational trauma then? Yeah, it is, it's very important to clear up the victim or which genitals, which makes us into an income books, doing nothing about what is happening. We can change this software if we participate in the process. The problem is, you know, we try to set what if I did hardware, we try a Lopethic medicine to get good well for healing and it's all trying to change the hardware to treat the software. But software is much easier to change than the hardware. In fact, sometimes this software has to be changed because other material hardware has just gone so early that it cannot be changed back by any hardware supplements or medicines that we can use or surgery that could be used. This software has to be adjusted. And then what do you do? If you sit like a victim and do nothing, then nothing happens. But of course, if we could come creative and participate, do they do we do we do? Do the imaginations that is necessary to change the right of software, to change the mental software? Then the do we do we do process or we can surely get you into that state of acceptance, but you can let the new flow in, new idea, flow in, new software flow in. And that's when the new software can replace the old software and your healing. You know, tie this into the David Hawkins, we mentioned earlier about the critical mass, how many people need to be awakened, where I see hope in my practice. So, you know, people come to me for the they used to come for the hardware, you know, and I use my diet supplements, herbs, acupuncture, low-level laser therapy. But I also do conscious work in my practice with the needles and all that. More and more people are wanting to address the software. They come in and they say, I have trauma from my childhood. They intuitively know that they they even say, I got programs that don't serve me. I don't want these anymore. Like, can you help me? And so to me, that is changing the software. And we know in psychonural immunology, also known as psychonural endocrine immunology, they talk about how your thoughts and feelings impact your nervous system, your hormonal system, and they can turn on and off genes for health and longevity, or they can turn off, on off genes for disease process. So what you're sharing is not out there. I mean, even mainstream western medicine, which takes often a long time for it to get into the hospitals and clinics talk about this. Quantum science has been talking about this for a while now, what you're sharing. So again, I just want to emphasize, hey, I see a lot of people coming to my practice, wanting to do a bottom up and a top down approach. And what you're sharing, all the books you've read, you've written, not read, but the books you've written, and the latest one, the Ascent of Humanity, it's all about changing the software, right? And how it can impact the biology. Yes. The idea is that if you change the, if we collectively start changing the software, then we can evolve humanity much faster. And the evolution is very, very interesting because we have the physical body, the vital body, the mental body, and then the architectural, experimental body. We have already lived the physical body. Physical has already been,
You know, we are hunters and cathoders at that time. We lived in a very physical, almost like animals that way. But then we changed to the vital. And that's when we started working on software. So it's just been going on for some time. So that probably happened about 70,000 years ago who started working on the vital body. And then when the plough was discovered, agricultural era, then we started going into the mental body. So that the mental body is now the supreme, this is mental rational. This is how the computer age arose. Because mental body is rational. It does not really depend on consciousness or creativity. So much, it tries to solve problems staying at the same level that created the problem. So this is the edge that we are in. And this edge is difficult to go through. This is why it's taking so much time. I mean so much time in biological time, nothing. 12,000 years is human lifestyle. There's nothing compared to hundreds of thousands of years that we have been around in the art. So it will pass. How many years it will take we cannot say. But it will pass. It definitely will pass. This much can be said. And the next year is the intuitive era. That's the era when we were embodied the archetype on mass. Right now only 15% of us are interested in doing it. And we are doing it. We are doing it. I am doing it. Right now only 15%. But as they go by, the years go by, centuries go by, will change and it will become very much faster. And you kind of had a little Einstein quote in there. And I want to ask based on this quote, he says, you can't solve a problem at the same level of thinking it was created at or I've heard it at the same level of consciousness it was created, which you just talked about that mental archetype. So what do you see for our future and what is necessary? And I'm going to pull out a quote again, idea from your book. The note I made is like you talk about this new society will not be built with machines. Because there's a lot of stuff about AI going on right now. They said, but with awakened minds. And so I'm curious when you talk about this quantum society, you call it like a non locally connected society. What does it look like? Yeah, that's a thing. I'll shift from ego to the situation as well. I will have to be nice. What does it look like and what's your how to on this? OK, so basically what we have to do is to go from a mental society and to bring back feelings. So the archetypes can be expressed both in mind and with the help of feelings. And if the feelings combined with mentorship and feeling a feeling past talk keeps the emotion. So let's use the word emotion. So being back the emotions. That's a really different. Archetypes expressed to mind is dry. Do not really have any bearing with physiology. Cannot change physiology much. Because mental is the void of the movement of consciousness. It detaches from the consciousness because it tries to solve the problem at the mental level. Not at the level of consciousness at the archetypal level, the intuitive level, the creative level. So to get back to the creative level, we got to get our feelings back. So we got to start examining the feelings in the body. We got to awaken the heart. We got to awaken the navel chakra. We have to awaken the brow chakra. When all these chakras are awakened, then we are fully alive. That's the state that we are looking at. And then positive emotions that we built with this exploration and embodiment, this positive emotion to balance all those negativity that makes us get into work. That makes us get into domination. Makes us get into violence. All those negative emotions can be balanced and overcome by these positive emotions. That is the trick. So we have to just recognize that many of us, up up about half of the vanity, does not have much positive emotion at all. They go to work, they become violent, because they don't know what it is to be non-violent. They don't know what it is to love. They don't know what it is to help somebody. So it is our job, those who know, to teach the others, do not know. So this is why my emphasis in the book is to grow people. My favorite sentence is, "If you can, you must. If you can't change, you must change. You must develop positive emotions, change your own power and negativity and help others to change their power and power and negativity." I love it. And that idea of the feeling, I often when I'm working, like I learned this, how I learned it and how I share it, that you can't think you way through this. So when I have patients and they want to figure this out, I'm like, you can't think you way through this. We got to go from here, from the head, into the heart. This is a mental deep heart. You got to feel it. So when we do conscious work, we do bring up these uncomfortable feelings and I have tools in a process, but you're not pushing them away. You're not denying suppression. You're actually metabolizing, you're allowing them to come up. It's a whole fun process, but you remind me that. You can't think you way through this. It's actually you're thinking that got you into the problem because we're meaning that, right? And you got to get into feeling. And it's amazing because so many stages have talked about it and until you experience it, your books and the latest book, I think, gives us a guide and a how to tap into consciousness so it kind of works through you and to do all the wonderful things we're talking about, we heal. And then when we heal, we're part of that participatory group that changes society, which people want. They want to have some peace enjoying their lives. Yeah, exactly. So I asked last time, how many times have you gone around the sun now? Where are you at now in your birthday? I'm curious. [LAUGHTER] I'm in JNL, so I'm in JNL. It's still writing books and I was, I saw a Valentina a little bit earlier and she said, you're writing another book. So this book is the as, as a sense of humanity, quantum biology in our future. Thank you. I know you're writing other books of Valentina. I think that's awesome. And then I encourage our listeners to go to the links we have there for the Center for Quantum Activism that Amikaswami's a big part of a founder. I've actually interviewed one person on our program that went and did their PhD through you guys. I believe they found you through our earlier podcast and then they went and studied with you and thought it was the best thing ever. So thank you. Check out the show notes for more information on a meet in all of his books. And again, another shout out because humanity needs it, the ascent of humanity, quantum biology in our future. If you're not liking what you see in this world, then I recommend this book. It may give you a different perspective and also help you change your software. So software changes, you'll get new hardware or different style hardware anyhow, running. I mean, any last words you'd like to share with our listeners before we wrap up? Yes, I would like to say that indeed, we, that's not only talk about things, we do things. So we indeed have a training center, the university, where we are giving masters and PhD degrees and certification to what people who wanted it in order to join this adventure that we talked about this all hard. If you can, you must. So if you feel like you can transform, join us. Get a master's degree, get a PhD degree, and you will find that you are in the process, not only get a degree, which is just some concepts, but the hard degree is not like that. Our degrees concept, plus transformation, you will get some transformation, it will become a different person. You'll want to be able to participate in the planetary movement, in the movement of consciousness. This is what we want you to do. My website is omitcoswami.org, hey, my TGOS, stopduremi.org, and you can write to me at
[email protected], and I will get back to your promise. Awesome. Thank you very much, Amit, and we'll put that in the show notes as well, your website, wishing you well and look forward to reading more books by you. Thank you very much for letting me know about this book and the opportunity to talk to you about it as well. You're welcome. Thank you. If you're looking for support to grow your family, contact Accubalance Wellness Center. At Accubalance, they help you reach your peak fertility potential through their integrative approach, using low-level laser therapy, fertility acupuncture, and naturopathic medicine. Download the Accubalance fertility diet and Dr. Brown's video for mastering manifestation and clearing subconscious blocks. Go to Accubalance.ca. That's acubalance.ca. Or you can visit my websites, warmbrown.com, and Accubalance.ca. Until the next episode, stay curious, and for a few moments, ring your awareness to your heart center, and breathe.
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