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On one of the touchdown passes, he had a tight end that, like, changed his motion underneath another tight end where Allen still probably could have just run it in as he's rolling out to his right. So, if you're the defensive end, and even Hutchinson almost getting him proves how special a specimen Hutchinson is on that sack, sort of non-sack, because it wasn't a sack at all. He got rid of it and threw it out of bounds. But watching the end zone replay of all the different things that, you know, we're aware of, but it just shows you when you're totally locked in as a quarterback, and you're rolling out, and you're like, "All right, I've got all of these options in front of me. I've got a crosser on the left side. Okay, there's a safety to stay down. That's out." And it's like immediate, right? Ball snap, you look, you see that safety help. Okay, deep shot's probably not there. Because I think a lot of times quarterbacks will look deep first for those explosive plays. And quickly, like, cancel it out. And then there could be a go route on the rollout side, where he's like, "If there isn't any safety help, and my man has a step, then Allen can just send it through the air." Then he's got a tight end. Then whatever James Cook is doing. And then Allen just keep it the entire time. And he is running at a crazy rate. I'll get to the pace for how many carries he had, because he had a ton tonight. But it's just kind of beautiful to watch him go through the progression. And on these slow-motion replays, you can see how quickly you have to decide. And then his default is, "Maybe I'll just run for 10 yards every single time." On top of that, James Cook, one of the best running backs in the league. I love that they gave Cook the carry where he was out of bounds right at the pylon. I'm like, "Are they going to sneak in with Allen again and give him another touchdown?" I love that Joe Brady or whoever made the decision to be like, "Hey, let's give Cook a chance at least to get into the end zone with the work that he's done tonight." He had 100 yards at the half. The offensive line, I couldn't believe that Dawkins story, their left tackle saying that he dropped 45 pounds. They were talking about how slim he looked. He still weighs 340. I mean, is it possible he was playing at 385 last year? And he was still good, but that's a recipe for getting hurt. So he was terrific tonight. Kind of neutralized Hutchinson in their matchups and a defensive line for Detroit that was kind of supposed to be the strength because of really how bad the secondary is right now. This was going to be a tough matchup for Detroit for two specific roster reasons. They're out. Joseph, who had a great year two years ago, only played six games last year. He hasn't been cleared to play. Brian Branch is out. So that's why Maddox was in on a third and 11. And here's another thing with this Bill's offense right now. Like third and 11, you're kind of like, I kind of expect him to get it. I mean, I know that's absurd. And the great thing that they did tonight is everything was like very third and manageable. And they still had a drop ball on a third and eight where it was like, "Hey, they're actually backed up here a little bit." Everything felt like third and short was the recipe for success. But on that third and 11 busted play, Maddox covers a crosser. It was kind of like a post route from the seam and he was covered and Maddox just lets Palmer go right past him. So it's third and 11. And now all of a sudden, Allen's like, "This isn't even part. This isn't even supposed to happen." Throws the pop up to him. Palmer runs it in for the touchdown. So we knew Detroit was going to have to find a way to survive being down in the secondary. And they're also going to have to figure out a way to survive this offensive line. Which had already switched their tackles before the season started. A new player at center and they were out two starters going in it tonight. So you're already kind of, you've got some things you've got to figure out when everybody's ready. And then two starters inactive for this game. So it kind of played out that way in the beginning. Goff is good. I don't think Goff is great. I don't think this is breaking news. I mean, when he's in rhythm, it's really nice. So if you want to round up and say, "Hey, there's only, I think Herbstreit even said, like, I think this is the seventh or eighth best quarterback," I wouldn't get a huge argument about that with Goff. But the problem is, especially with the defensive line rotation that they're working with right now, when it's not in rhythm and they can't get into play action, it's a problem. But you should be able to throw on the secondary for Buffalo. I like Benford. I guess I like Bishop a little bit. Igbenosun, my guy, just a nasty penalty on Jamison Williams. Jamison Williams, kind of one of those nights where you're just like, you know, where is he tonight? And then St. Brown with a ton of play. He goes out there, and that's why Goff ends up going for over 300 yards tonight. A couple things that I wanted to get to here, kind of probably to just close out the game. Because, you know, I don't know that we're going to learn a ton. It was a tough spot for Detroit, as we mentioned, with the inactives here. I don't know if it's going to matter for Buffalo if they don't have this brilliant secondary, because this front is incredible. Rousseau, two more sacks. Bradley Chubb had a sack and a half. Deion Walker out there making incredible plays. Like, they had to double-team him. I mean, this guy really is starting to feel like, for the first two weeks of the season, like an absolute middle-of-your-defensive-line game-wrecker. And it was great on the batted ball. He was double-teamed and knew. He was like, you know what? Let me not use all of my energy here trying to get through this double-team. Let me get up and try to deflect the pass. And he was able to do that. The final point that I want to make on Josh Allen here, and I don't want to be, like, dramatic about it. It's 17 carries through the first two weeks. Okay, six against Houston, 11 tonight, by the time we're taping this. We're taping it tonight. That turns into 153 for the season. That would be 30, 29 more carries than his career-high a few seasons ago. So, I don't know that they're going to keep him up at this pace. I mean, it's so incredibly ridiculous, like, how successful it is, how hard it is to defend. Again, these rollouts, like, what do you do? What do you do if you're on the rollout side? And you go, like, am I supposed to keep, like, am I supposed to fall this tight end that I'm sort of lined up with? Or do I go at Allen? And Allen's got a lot of, like, not the, the, the magic, you know, the, the eye sizzle that he throws at you. But he's just really good at screwing you up, too, even when you think he's made the decision. Because he's been playing the position a long enough time. But watching him and knowing the history, again, if Cam Newton could hold up physically, all right, Cam Newton, who's the most spectacular specimen at the position we've ever seen, and we know that Allen's a specimen as well. And even with the punishment that Allen hands out, like, this game has a way of slowing that player down. So, watching how great they look tonight and seeing how how tough it is to defend this team, and granted, Detroit had some limitations, It makes me think, again, not to be dramatic about it, it's like Buffalo's got to get to the Super Bowl and get one this year. They've got to get it this year and next year, and then you start to wonder, is Allen still going to be at the peak of his powers? And him being slightly less as a runner isn't that big of a deal, but it was just something I was thinking about going like, he's got to get there soon here because, as we know, history tells us the running quarterbacks usually start to slow down, especially if he's going to have this kind of workload this season. There's something for everyone when it comes to Reese's. And that's because Reese's has been hanging out together, peanut butter and chocolate, for decades. This is not Jacoby Brissett to Marvin Harrison Jr. I don't even know if it's Burrow to Jamar Chase, although, look, that's nasty. This is Brady DeMoss that season. This is Montana to Rice. This is Sammy Baugh to Noodles' three-finger Johnson. This is an all-time relationship, a combination that can never be beat, and you know it and realize it, not just on the first clip of the All-22, on the first bite. 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But I'll tell you, on a per-play basis, their ability to generate explosive plays both in the run and the pass, the volume and offense in which they were able to implement, considering it was week one, it's about as impressive a performance outside of the framework that it was week one. You know, you so often see in week one there's unknowns. Everybody's trying to worry more about themselves. You hear coaches talk all the time about not trying to chase ghosts. You have all offseason to build these really elaborate game plans and you end up kind of tricking yourself. Well, they had a lot of volume. They had a lot of different play styles. They had under center play action run with all the motions that people talk a lot about. They had play action pass. They were able to go spread, you know, four or five wide empty spread and do traditional drop back pass. They can do movement pass. I mean, there's really not a lot of offensive styles that Ben Johnson's not able to implement scheme-wise and obviously Caleb Williams being able to direct it at quarterback. It was about as impressive an offensive performance as you're going to see. And that's one of those game films like you can't wait till Monday morning to put on and say, okay, how do you score? And you're going to score 59 points on the road against a team like the Panthers who put a lot of time and energy this offseason and resources into improving on the defensive side of the ball. So, I mean, we can dive into as many of the specifics or whatever you want to dive into, but just overall big picture, that's going to go down as one of the best offensive performances of the entire season. We definitely saw the jump with Caleb from year one to year two. I mean, that's not even debatable here, but I think one of my favorite parts of that afternoon was it just felt like when it got ugly, he still stayed in the play longer. It felt like he's like, all right, I know like our offense, if this is happening here, it doesn't mean that I have to bail on everything, which I think is like the greatest sign of growth for any of these, especially these extremely gifted quarterbacks. Yeah, I think, you know, when you look back to early in his career, especially, you know, rookie year and, you know, not diving into system or personnel, just some of the things he, he had to really improve on, especially when Ben Johnson got there a season ago was he took way too many sacks. He wasn't willing to stay within the rhythm of the offense, the timing, the progressions, and just play through, all right, where are my eyes starting and then click through his progression. And he, he generated a lot of negative plays, right? Whether it was turnovers, whether it was sacks or, you know, getting outside of the framework. So that was obviously a huge element that Ben wanted to, to really spend a lot of time and emphasis. And I think we saw a lot of growth there last year. I think we saw, the sack numbers went down. He did a much better job protecting the ball. I think then phase two of that, and again, small sample size now just being one weekend, but I think the next iteration of the Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson's offense in their mind was we don't want to take away the improv, right? You don't want to make a player like Caleb Williams be a statue and just go, what's my progression one to check down. Sometimes that is the right play. Sometimes one to get it to my check down, live for second down, live for third and manageable is the right play. But you know, it also is the right play. Sometimes you got to let athletes just go be athletes and you got to let him go. I don't like one. I don't like two. I'm feeling a little something off the backside here. I'm going to go create, I'm going to go out there and I'm going to try to generate a big play downfield. I'm going to try to throw the ball over their head and I'm going to operate more on like a scramble pass mode. Then more of like a traditional in rhythm timing. So him, going when it's time for both, I think is something that Ben Johnson and him are going to continue to spend a lot of time talking through. What's the score? What's the down and distance? What's the situation of the game? Like I think there's going to be a lot of elements that control and put some guardrails into that play style. But the last thing you want to do as a coach and obviously Ben Johnson's up there among the best is like you don't want to take that playmaking element out of Caleb Williams play style, but you have to make sure that that doesn't get in. The way of operating Ben Johnson system, right? So it's it's a it's a delicate balance. I think we saw him play both styles a week ago. I think his scramble improv pass, he generated a lot of big plays down the field, whether he activated himself as a runner or he was able to find guys on unfolding downfield in the past game. But then we also saw him, whether it was in the play action under center or it was in the gun, we saw him operate in rhythm as an accurate pocket quarterback. So when he, when he's able to play both of those styles simultaneously on a play by play basis with Ben Johnson dialing up the plays, it's just a handful. It's just a lot for these defenses. You almost have to guard two plays. You have to guard the play Ben Johnson called, which is hard enough. And then on most of the plays, you got to guard a second reaction play, which is Caleb Williams being among the best athletes on the field, having the ball in his hand. So it's a huge challenge. We saw Carolina really struggle with it a week ago. And that's something, the defensive coordinators are going to have to get a grip on because there's no magic answer. What impresses you the most about prepping for a Vikings game and seeing what Brian Flores does with this defense? Man, I said this to, I was talking to my producer just about some ideas for the game. And I said to Pete, I said, you know, the best way that I could characterize Brian Flores, and there's a lot of ways to talk about his defense. We've seen the offense, we've seen the offensive style of play in the NFL and the defensive style of play universally around the league really become pretty consistent right on the offensive side of the ball. We want to score as fast as we can. You don't want long sustained drives. We're not looking to score in 1012 plays time of possession and all that has really become an afterthought offense is known the longer they stay on the field, the more likely it is they take a sack, a penalty, a tackle for loss, something to get them off track and ultimately stall the drive. Well, defenses are now understanding that mentality as well. So what are defenses saying? We're going to play from depth. We're going to play with the fewest amount of guys in the box as humanly possible, as many small bodies as humanly possible. Keep a shell, keep everything underneath, tackle well in space. And if you're going to score a touchdown on me, you're going to have to go 10 plus plays execute in the red zone. And if you score, I'll tip my cap, right? That was Seattle, their defense. They mastered it a year ago on the way to the Superbowl. So that's really, what NFL offense has come to look like and defense, the Vikings and Ben and Brian floor. I say, screw all that. We are going to attack you. We are going to put as many guys at the line of scrimmage than anybody in football. We are going to play all of our coverages from the line of scrimmage back. The whole league now is starting everything in shell. And then when the place snaps, those guys gradually fall to the line of scrimmage from the top down. That's kind of the style because they don't want you to run by him. Brian Flores is flipping. That upside down. He is starting with six, seven, eight guys on the line of scrimmage at times and then sprinting back from low to high to build too high shell coverages and cover two and all these elaborate things and blitz at the highest rate. He blitzed over 80% of the plays last week in the opener against green Bay. So like it is such a counter philosophy to the trends in the direction of the rest of the league that I find it fascinating. It's a fun defense to watch. It's a fun defense to study. Okay. And the confidence that he has both in the personnel and their ability to implement it on a per play basis. You just don't see a lot of people doing it. And their ability to create negative plays, whether that's sacks, tackles for loss, of course, takeaways like they are a while, while offenses are hunting explosive plays, Brian Flores is hunting splash negative plays. So like the exact opposite. And he has taken that aggressive offensive approach and just applied it to the defensive side of the ball. And I find it fascinating. So is there anything from the Denver loss? You know, it's the primetime game. It's the play calling storyline where Sean Payton didn't exactly disguise how he felt at halftime with Davis Webb because he's feeling like, hey, I mean, it might need a little bit more balance, might need to start running football. And look, I love the receiving group for Denver there. So it's not surprising, like a first time coordinator against this Kansas City defense trying to figure out who's in the secondary and all that kind of stuff. It's like, maybe we're gonna throw the ball here at 10. Is there a result from Denver Jacksonville that would have you questioning Denver's place in the AFC? I don't think so. I try not to really pass too much judgment after week one, good or bad. Right? I think, you know, we saw Chicago score 59. I don't think this would happen. But would it be out of the realm of possibility? They score less than 20. I mean, certainly anything's possible. So I think we're gonna see, it usually takes like four or five weeks for teams to kind of fall into their kind of where they are. Especially now, right? Yeah. Like with the lack of stuff that's happening in August, that's anything that's remotely locked in, like September, it should be kind of sloppy based on what the run up is now. Totally. So I think we're gonna see defenses, some defenses start hot, and then Yeah. some offensive coordinator cracks the code. And then you see, you know, the copycat of the subsequent weeks, and they start coming back to reality, I think you're going to see some defenses start slow. And then they're going to find out their new personnel, maybe they've got new play callers, maybe a combination of both. And then they find their stride. And then the same thing on offenses, right? So I think you're going to see some offenses that come out of the gate, they catch people off guard, maybe it's a new style, new play caller. And then the league Spartans up. And then of course, you know, what we saw with Denver, where an offense that we're used to seeing Sean Payton, he gives up play calling duty, he obviously thinks very highly of Davis Webb wants to get him more as you know, NFL play caller, you know, reps wants to maintain him, you don't want to see a young coach like that be snatched away, you know, by another organization to be their play caller. So there's so many moving parts that cause organizations and coaches to make the decisions that they do. I don't think it's an indictment of how the rest of the season now, if we're sitting here in weeks four and five, and they're scoring 10 to 17 points a game, and it just doesn't look like a Sean Payton led team that we're used to seeing over the years where it's mid 20s to 30. And they're really gunning for points. And Bo Nix doesn't have the year he had a year ago. And there's some regression, then yeah, there'll be some conversation about play calling and this Sean Payton take back play calling. But I think as so often, that was a tough matchup, right? That the chiefs on defense are good, right? I mean, spags is it spags can play. So I think there's a combination of your opponent early in week one, new play caller. And as much as we all want teams to be their finished product right out of the gate and be perfect. For the vast majority of these teams, there is going to be a period where it's going to take some time to figure out exactly who they are, where they fit, and then, you know, try to play to those strengths and build as the year goes on. Now it's plays a million snaps, heavier personnel against Houston. The fact that you can go into Houston after, you know, Allen surviving eight sacks last season and do that against that defense. I'm sure if you're Houston's defense, you're like, okay, what was Josh Allen? Like it sucks. We'll button this whole thing up. There's kind of two parts with this matchup against Cincinnati. One is, well, this has nothing to do with it. I just quickly because of the tight end thing with you and Kincaid, I don't know that he can be McBride, but where could Kincaid be as far as like top tight ends, if he's healthy for a season? I think it's a great question. He's, he's wildly talented, right? I've got to see Dalton up close and personal in Nashville the last couple summers when he's come out to TEU and watch him run routes. And, you know, you can watch a guy on tape and you can study a guy from afar, but there's something different about standing on the grass next to him and watching, you know, what's his body type. How does he sink his hips? Getting in and out of breaks. What's his burst accelerations? How does he track the ball with his hands above his head? Like you can just get such a better feel for guys watching them work out in t-shirt and shorts from a movement capacity. He has very unique movement skills for, I know he's not a six, five, 265 pound body type, but for a tight, for a tight end with it, he has very unique ball control, body control in and out of breaks, ability to sink and start much more so than like some of the more tall, linear guys like me, who, you know, the in and out of breaks was not always our thing. We were more kind of go linear and, and get downfield. So I think from a physical tool standpoint, he has a lot that you can work with. Obviously having an offensive minded head coach now in Joe Brady, who's going to steer that offense to, you know, to be a little bit more aggressive and go out there and chase points and, and all those things. I think the biggest, and I try to tell guys this at our TEU, especially for some of the guys that are like tweeners and people question their ability to block. Your ability to be on the field, the more you can be on the field, it's actually easier to play with some of your limitations. So like my best example is I'll just take myself when I played, if I only came on the field, when it was time and a passing down to win in the passing game, I would have been significantly less effective as a pass receiver. If I only came in the game to be a quote unquote blocker, which was never really like my main focus, but only when it was time to block the guys that were asked to do that, their ability to block that guy on a rundown only because they know when number 88 only comes in the game, his job is to block. Their job gets exponentially more difficult. The fact that I could be on the field on every single snap. And sometimes I released that defensive end and sometimes I pin them. And sometimes I short set pass them. Sometimes I cut them off. He never knew what I was going to do. All of a sudden my ability to get open in the passing game got, got easier because they couldn't, just lock in that it was a pass when I was in my ability to block him got easier because for three quarters of the game, I didn't block it. He's so used to me releasing that the handful of times I would get in there and block them. You almost have the element. So I think with Dalton, it's the same thing. I think he's going to find himself wildly more effective, both in the passing game and as a run blocker doing some more of the inline stuff, the more they scheme him in the game and all personnel groups, and the more he can just physically handle the volume, of snap count. So using guys as a package when they're young, I've always felt is a disservice to them. I think it makes it harder. Even if that's what you do best. Everyone on the field knows when you run in this guy's only in, cause it's a pass he's only in cause it's a run. I don't know anybody that's good enough to be that overly effective over long periods of time when everybody knows what's coming. So I think Dalton's a perfect example as his career unfolds be on the field as much as you can. Joe Brady and staff help keep him more involved in all the different personnel groupings. You're going to see him more effective in the past and you're actually going to see it's counterintuitive. You're going to see him become a more effective run and pass blocker. The more he's on the field. Okay. I love that. Kincaid breakdown. So I was kind of doing two things at once there, because I'm also really excited about Cincinnati Houston here. Cause you know, to the earlier point, like Houston has to just go, all right, let's turn the page on this. Burl comes in. We know that he has the sore back. He was just probably the last team I've won. I'm going to play with a sore back on top of everything else. But you know, granted it could be an opponent thing there. Cincinnati is invested in this defense and it's all wrapped in the week one qualifier here. But is there anything that gives you a read on this game from what you saw? I said, if you would have told me Houston was going to give up that many points and I know it was Josh Allen and I know it was the bills and I get it, but as you know, so as we're calling our game, we have like a monitor between Joe and I that has all the out of town scores. So as our games unfolding, we can, you know, between the break, we'll point go, Hey, how about that game? You know, there went, we can track what's going on around the league. I didn't know if I thought it was going to take three weeks for Houston to give up that many points. Like I thought going into the season, especially with what they did a year ago, the stories coming out of their joint practices. I lived here in Charlotte where all the stories came out about their joint practices with the Panthers. And it was like the Panthers couldn't get a playoff. They had to take out will Anderson and Daniel Hunter. Cause like that ruined practice. Like I had in my mind and they still might end up, being that dominant. So having said that, I still think this Houston defense is like, I don't want to say historically good, but last year they were close to being historically good. They still have that in them. I still think it's a huge challenge, but that's why I'm paying Joe burrow burrow and T Higgins and Jamar chase. Like I'm paying all those guys that much money because the expectation is, as they try to still figure out their defense and they still try to figure out how they're going to keep people, you know, from scoring 30 a game on them. Like the expectation is that offense needs to carry the load. And I did the game last year between Buffalo and Cincinnati and they went head to head and it was a late pick six on a kind of a fluky play that ended up being the difference for Buffalo. But when that Cincinnati offense is wrong and he, and they can protect him and he can dial it up her back, whatnot, they got to handle the pass rushers. But that since Cincinnati, to me, when people talk about like AFC contenders, it's like, I, I have Cincinnati like at or near the top of my list. I think as the year unfolds, I think they're going to, I think they're going to scare a lot of people offensively. If the defense can just hold serve. I think when all the dust settles, I, I think they're going to find themselves in the running. I, that, that might be one of the best games along with our game. games of the of the weekend yeah i can't wait for that one and i know that i've probably been because the defense has been such a disaster i hate to think of just because like hey we get a couple new guys that everything's all sorts fixed and i don't love hearing a burrow injury update week two with it but i'll admit like when i'm looking at the afc maybe because i just ran out of time because of how many teams you're like well that team that team like i still feel like kansas city of all the mahomes years other than the first year you know and and i was talking with von miller about this because i went on his podcast so we were talking because he loves talking denver even though he's on dallas right and he's just seeing like what do you think and i go you know there's there's probably never been a year for mahomes other than the first year as a starter that kansas city's ever been this collectively overlooked by all of us which has to be the weirdest feeling ever um and we all like what we saw from week one another week one thing before i jump into some of the more play cally stuff that i want to spend some time on with you is uh the giants and i can read the depth charts i can look at the unit rankings and all that kind of stuff and i'll admit with the giants and their history i'm like i don't know you know whatever and then i'm watching them on sunday night i'm like you know what there's like eight guys on this team i really like uh and granted it's probably a lot more fun for jackson dart to start the season with neighbors healthy and likely on the team as opposed to what he was dealing with towards the end of last year is there a path that you could see where like hey the giants could be not just on the in the hunt graphic there say week 10 but something about this where we're gonna have to look at them differently like i'd tougher out especially with this rams matchup this week i i thought going in and i'm not just saying this in like revisionist uh hindsight you know since since they look so good in week one i thought going into the season i felt about the giants kind of how i felt a little bit about the bears a year ago in in the sense of i think their roster was better than their win-loss totals i thought they lost a lot of really close games that could easily go the other way like when you're looking at teams to either have regression or teams to overperform comparison like some of the easiest things like for regression you're saying all right what was their record in one score games what was their turnover differential and what was their history right what was their injury history if those three things they went all the close games they took the ball away at a high rate and they stayed relatively healthy i start looking at those teams saying okay maybe there's a little regression i thought the giants were the opposite i thought they had some bad injury luck right they lose neighbors they lose scataboo jackson dart was in and out and a lot of conversation about him taking hits and concussion protocols and all that they had some stuff banged up up front they lost a lot of games at the end which were like almost hard to lose right i think it was the denver it was the denver game where it was like the really big they were they had denver b and they had it was like a big meltdown i think it was denver i called the game where they they won in chicago i called that game last year so i thought going into this year of any team in the nf nfc that had a chance to like really pop that maybe was under the radar was the giant so i thought they looked really good sunday night i thought the offense looked good i thought jackson darts decision making i thought his ability to play on the move from the pocket be on time generate explosives move the ball around i really like the system mix of under center stuff get the on the edge using his athleticism um i think defensively they're very talented i think they've got a lot of guys up front they added two really good first rounders and malino malinoa and and um and arvel reese so like i think that defense is young i think they're athletic i think they can go run and chase i think if they just continue to to focus on situational ball and how to close games out i i think they're going to be a problem so i think the giants being good changes everything within the nfc east and i think it changes a lot of the picture as the season unfolds just in the nfc in general yeah the giants gave up 33 points in the fourth quarter to denver in the game that's what it was i could i i thought it was denver i couldn't remember the exact details i mean think about if it's a close loss it's probably denver because last season every single week you're like denver pulled it out again um but yeah that's which goes back to my question like which goes back to my point before when you start looking over like year to year expectations typically what what you find is there's going to be some inevitable regressions in certain categories right like one score games some teams do play better in one score games because of coaching because of quarterback play game management so you can tip the scales there is an element of luck and to ignore that and say all close wins are the result of you doing everything right and close losses you blew it while there's a lot of competition and there's a lot of certainly elements of that we've seen teams go from winning the most close games like minnesota a couple years ago to one year later they can't win a close game so same coach you know obviously quarterback changes so typically that's a regression taking the ball away very hard to just say okay we led the league and takeaways last year we're gonna do it again typically there's a regression so there's a couple of those areas where it's just hard to sustain hanging your hat on certain things and saying well we were good 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canes chicken fingers and canes sauce i just had to shoot an ad i got to eat chicken fingers all day and you know what was even better is there was sauce as much as i could possibly because sometimes you're like i hope i have enough sauce friends today i had enough sauce raising canes chicken fingers one love i want to talk about this under center craze um yeah did you see this coming when you were talking to team in pre-production meetings and what they were prioritizing like let's go back to even some of the 25 stuff because the 26 numbers if you want to go by the tracking stuff and there's some stuff i want to go here in the in depth with you on i think we were at the highest under center rate in week one since 2012 but it felt like people were talking about this all summer so we saw it coming as the numbers started creeping up the last couple years yeah so i i think this is one of the coolest conversations going in the league and it's it's it's related loosely to the conversation you and i had last year about the way offenses now are the the pendulum has swung from everyone wanted to be pass centric shotgun throw the ball and take advantage of defenses and score fast and explosives lead the points and then defenses said okay we're not gonna let you do that we're gonna go small we saw this big influx in high two safety defenses we're gonna play dime to all personnel groupings at the very minimum nickel we're not gonna put extra d linemen we're not gonna put a lot of big bodies because you can't run the ball again this is generally speaking you can't run the ball week in and week out effective enough to generate explosive plays to score enough points to beat that's what defenses came to the realization on so then the offenses said okay how do we combat this the offenses said you're gonna put all these little guys on the field i'm gonna put a bunch of big bodies on the field and i'm gonna put a bunch of big guys on the field and i'm gonna put a bunch on the field and i'm gonna make you decide how you want to match me do you want to keep all those little bodies on the field i'm gonna run the ball down your throat i'm gonna bludgeon you and i'm gonna take advantage of those little defensive backs and undersized linebackers that people want to play with and both your safeties are a million yards off the ball and then what they found last year that you know the seahawks and the rams and you know the bears are now doing it so like they said okay yeah we're gonna bring all these big guys on the field you think we're gonna think it's not to run the ball we are bringing these big guys on the field because if i go 13 three tight ends in a back you're probably not gonna play me dime or nickel unless you're seattle and you just have unique personnel like they did a year ago where they could match it you're gonna bring extra linemen extra defensive back uh extra linebackers so what am i gonna do i'm gonna throw the ball i'm gonna go big to throw the ball downfield on you because i still know hunting explosives is the best way to score points from there the realization became the best play in football to throw the ball over your head is under center play action pass turning my back on the defense creates more downfill run action by the by the defensive line and the linebackers it ties into my run game better it's a better fake there's a better misdirection like everything about the under center pass we know is the most efficient and explosive play in football So if I want to be under center pass, I'm going to marry now my pass game with under center run. And the best teams do the best job of pre-snap everything that I do from formation to alignment to splits to quarterback positioning to motion shifts. Everything I do, there's going to be no difference between pass and run tendencies. So again, all of this under center stuff is all under the idea of what gives me the best chance to throw the ball downfield, chunk plays at a time, get under center and throw it. So then how do I marry my run? I get under center to hand it. That's the evolution of all of this. This has been the trend for years now. We've tried to talk about it and highlight it. If you want to stand in shotgun, four and five wide. Ask Philadelphia. They had a unique quarterback, they had unique skill, and they had the best offense line in football. But over time, standing in static formations, shotgun, every play inside outside zone to a running back. It's virtually impossible in today's day and age to play that style over long periods of time. And the best coordinators have said, we're not going to major it anymore because this is a lot easier to protect. It's a lot easier to run the ball. And it's certainly a lot easier to generate play action pass. We're only talking like a few years ago, though, when we're just spreading it out, you know, shotgun formation for so many of these quarterbacks, because I think there's a lot of quarterbacks that are just when you hear this all the time, which you, of course, know is that they're just not super comfortable turning their back on the defense and then having to come back because they don't do it from the time they're 10 years old. No one's ever taught kids how to get under center anymore because coming up through Pop Warner High School and certainly college football. It is 90 plus. Percent shotgun and any of their quote unquote under center run, they just run out of the pistol, which is shotgun. So they just don't teach it. And it hurts. It hurts these guys when they get to the league. OK, how much of this is connected? I imagine quite a bit when you look at the zone coverage on dropbacks. Now, I think it was north of 60 percent week one. So this used to be a man league probably back when you were playing. And now you go, all right, well, if everybody's going to play, I'm going to play. Who's playing zone because they're worried about these explosives? Well, you know, look, some of this play action stuff on man coverage. The corners don't even know what's going on. A linebacker could be just running to cover somebody. So they're not going to bite on it. Do you think this emphasis of under center? Because, yes, clearly the under center play action is just a nasty or fake. It should be a nasty or fake. There's a moment there where you're not 100 percent sure you can have this mesh point thing. But we know the running backs on one side, you know, the quarterbacks likely reading kind of one thing. On those handoffs. Do you think this under center is a direct correlation to those play actions being that much better when a zone defense is faking you in the eyes? Just, you know how it is like two, three hours into a game. You know, it's just human nature to kind of want to go to where you're assuming the ball is going to go. Is that part of this as well? Because the zone increasing. Yeah. So I think there's a lot of elements to the zone increasing. I think one of the biggest ones, especially on early downs, is, you know, picture the bear, right? So the style. And I meant that as like an under center play action counter to the heavier zone packages that everybody's seen is what I'm talking about. Yeah. And I think it goes both ways. Right. So I think teams are implementing more defensive zone coverage against these against these under center offenses, especially with the variety of personnel groupings and big bodies and motions and shifts and movement at the snap. If I tried to man that. I'd have guys pre snap on defense, passing things off and running back and forth. And if this guy goes in motion, he becomes your guy. But now Christian McCaffrey lines up at receiver and Debo's in the backfield back in the day. And that's where it all started. Right. So it all started with like people trying to figure out how do they stop Shanahan. Right. Where they had Kittle and they had Debo and they had Christian and, you know, those years in the playoffs. And it was like, OK, do we treat the back as the back? But what if the back is the wide receiver? And what if the wide receiver is the running back? Screw it. We're just going to play. Everything as a shell. We're going to zone everything out. And you guys are just X's. You guys are just X's on a fence post. And we're going to just the formation is the formation. We're not going to get wrapped up into who's where, who goes in motion, who carries because it just got super complicated. So that's that's of the many reasons. That's one of the reasons the style of offensive play has made zone coverage to be a lot more effective. And there's other side of that, right? I mean, just real quick. I mean, I just love this so much. Is it generally agreed that people are just better at zone now, too? Because it used to feel like back in the day, it's like if I have this first round corner, like, what the hell am I doing? Like, the whole point of having this first round corner is to run and follow the other number one the entire time. It feels like the zone stuff isn't just like, hey, here are all the soft spots, even if they're going to show up. And sometimes it just feels like teams are better at it because they're playing it more, too. Yeah. Yes, that's 100 percent the case. Back in the day, it was all right. I got Darrell Rivas. He's going to guard your best player. And then the other 10 players can worry about everybody else. That was certainly one way to go about it. We've seen it with numerous guys over the course of history. I do think, though, it's important to point out that most teams, again, speaking in generalities, there are man principles to all of these zone coverages. So this is not old school. Put a cone on the field. I'm the flat player. I drop to the flat. I'm a hook player. I drop to the hat. And I just read the quarterback's eyes and break. These zone coverages. All have man principles built into them. How many vertical receivers? What does number one do? And as the play unfolds, if you watch like an all 22 of Philadelphia with Vic Fangio or even, you know, with Brian Flores, it's again, it starts a little different. But all of these teams, no matter how they start, as the coverage opens up, if you press pause, they're all matching guys as they come into their zone. It's like the Jim Boeheim, like half court. It's the same idea. So when guys enter their zones, they are pattern matching. They are saying, okay, who has the second vertical? Who has the first vertical? Number one sits. Where do my eyes go? Like there are very sophisticated patterns and rules into these quarters coverages and half field coverages and single. Like they're not just guarding grass. The days of just spot dropping. And I have the middle third of the field. I have curl. I have a flat, I have hook, curl, and if someone comes great, if not, this is my area. It's not really how teams are playing it. So yes, it's zone. Yes, it gets checked off as zone, but at like two seconds into the play, it plays a lot like man. And we start just once you once you buried that guy and once you've bought him, you're probably carrying him throughout the rest of that pattern and whatever the concept is. So it's yes. Yes. It's zone. It's not old school zone. Like when I came into football where everybody was just guarding a patch of grass and just looking at the quarterback's eyes and we threw it, you break. It's gotten a lot more sophisticated. It's gotten a lot more pattern matching where they still you get the benefit of the eyes of the defenders are still on the quarterback to start. So there's a lot of eyes in the backfield. But then as the play unfolds, we get the elements of man that we want as far as taking up space. So it's like closing the distance on the receivers without having to just say, I have Christian McCaffrey, you have use check, you have Kittle, and it turns into like a matchup game that gets very difficult because now not only do we have to line up in those positions to play that man, but hey, by the way, they're going to hand the ball off. So now I'm an outside corner, but I'm guarding whoever all game. Well, what happens when Justin Jefferson lines up in the slot? I got to guard Justin Jefferson in the slot. Well, what happens when they hand? The ball off who becomes the run defender me, but I'm not a run defender. I'm an outside corner. So like that's where the game has kind of evolved into and the great offensive coordinators could use your match tells to formation you that now you got the wrong guys at the point of attack. You got the wrong guys trying to defend the run and it just it breaks down the integrity of your defense. Another product byproduct, I should say of this is that. The design runs for quarterback like to see Jalen under center to see what's going on with Lamar. The design runs on a week to week average what we saw week one. It's dramatically down. So it feels a little bit like or you never going to have Lamar on like six or seven design runs. And maybe there's just a preservation part with him and the natural decline of any of the dual threat quarterbacks where it's like, hey, this is what happens to you in the NFL. Like eventually you're just not running for 900 yards all the time. So that seems to be, again, I'd say a byproduct of this, even if I'm like, do you really want to completely eliminate that? Or maybe it's a one or two snap design run just to keep the threat there for the defense mentally. That's a huge part. I'm glad you brought it up because I was going to add that earlier to when we were talking about it. So I derailed you a bit and I can't know if we got back on track. So good. No, so no, I think it's a great point, though, because remember that a huge difference between college and the NFL, why shotgun is so much. We're prevalent in college is a the willingness to run the quarterback. If I have a running quarterback, I had Cam Newton at Auburn. every time I lined up Cam Newton or Lamar Jackson or pick a guy under center, the defensive coordinator goes, whew, thank God. Because outside of a hoop action pass, his ability to keep the ball and be an extra runner is really negated when he lines up under center. So you see so much in college, I'm not worried about getting my quarterback hit, quote unquote, in college because they're such a weapon in the run game that every time I line him up and gun, I keep him activated as a runner. Then you also think about RPO game that became such a big craze in college. The rules are different, right? The lineman can be further down the field. If the ball is thrown at or behind the line of scrimmage, I'm allowed to be engaged downfield blocking. Those rules don't exist in pro. So all of a sudden now I'm standing there in gun. I'm unwilling to consistently run my quarterback, generally speaking, to preserve them and not get them hit. I can't have the extra run count guy be defensively, defended in the zone read. So what's the next thing? Okay, I don't want to run my quarterback, so I'm not going to run zone read. I'll RPO it. Well, I can't really RPO it like I can in college because my linemen aren't allowed the same buffer downfield. The second they get more than a yard downfield, it's a legal man downfield. All right, well, I'm going to get my screen game activated out on the perimeter. I'm going to throw screens and bubbles. My receivers can't block downfield past the yard like they can in college. I can throw the ball behind the line of scrimmage and block the entire team run downfield in college. I can't do that in the NFL. So you start taking away all of the advantages to standing five yards behind the center in shotgun, and these teams started saying, outside of third and pass, where I just do it more from like a protection standpoint, just get me away from the D-line and let the quarterback visually see. On first and second down, you start asking yourself, what are the advantages left to lining my quarterback up in shotgun? Yeah, especially you brought up the bubble thing too. Like, even with the yardage, the yardage rule, like good luck getting two NFL receivers to win two outside blocks on two NFL defensive backs. Like in college, maybe you just get two dudes that can manhandle a couple other guys and it's a conference game. It's like, these are two two-star corners and like my guys are six-four. I swear, in the NFL, like you see even when they have numbers, you're like, good luck. Like, I feel like that play never breaks. The D-linemen come out of the stack. They chase it down. It's just, again, every once in a while you see it pop. And I'm not saying perimeter screens. They're highly, highly valuable and slows down rush. It gets the quarterback. I'm not saying there's not a time and a place for all of that. It, as time has gone on, it comes down to teams have found that the benefits that used to exist of putting my quarterback in the gun when I was in all these spread-wide formations to stretch the defense, throw to open guys on the perimeter run game, activate my quarterback as a runner against light boxes, pick up an extra man. All those, all those things, that was Cam Newton. I played in that offense for, of the nine years with Cam, I'd say like seven of them, that was us. And it's highly effective. But all of a sudden, you become unwilling to run your quarterback. You're telling your quarterback to slide. Well, it loses, it's not worth running the play anymore if every time your quarterback gets out in space, he just gives himself up. You're not gaining any yards. So I think the evolution of all that is fascinating to track. I think the pendulum swings back and forth. Between offense and defensive adjustment. And right now, it'll change again. Right now, until defenses adjust, the answer is, go on early, first and second down, go as many big people as you can, under center, tight formations, add as many gaps. That's a whole nother conversation, all this. I don't know how like in the weeds you want to get. I'm like a football nerd. So I love getting in the weeds of all this shit. But like, go for it. If you have the time, like I just love listening to it. Here's another really important thing to understand about, like the styles of these under center run games. When you go under center, traditionally speaking, the formations get tighter, right? Like you're not, you don't see teams lining up under center with an eye back and then all the receivers out by the numbers, right? There's typically one or more tight ends. The open side receiver has a cut split, meaning he's closer to the offensive line, the tackle or whoever. Typically, there's a lot more bodies in like the, like in the behind, you know, like the sky cam view, of the replays. Like how many guys are in the sky cam view? Typically in those under center formations, not the, maybe not virtually the entire offense, but damn near close. Like they got nine guys in that box. Sometimes they got 11. Well, now defensively, every defense, there's an A gap, right? Center to guard is the A gap. Guard to tackle, they call it the B gap. Tackle to tight end is the C gap. D gap, et cetera. As many bodies as there are on the, on the end of the formation. Well, all of a sudden now, I have a guard, a tackle, a tight end, a cut split receiver and an outside receiver. Well, I've made like six gaps. Well, someone has to account for those gaps. Corners, safeties, nickels, like every one of those gaps to stop the run on paper has a guy assigned to be in that gap. And the idea is we don't want any open gaps and that's how we're going to stop the run. Well, I'm asking now, my nickel corners and my safeties and my outside corners. Hey, sorry, but like it's no longer A, B and C gap for two D lineman and a linebacker. I got six gaps, but I still only have two D lineman and a linebacker. So who's picking up the other gaps? Defensive backs, secondary players. And now we're not even talking about when one of those guys goes in motion or on the snap of the ball and you see those receivers, just people go, why is that guy just running to the left? Well, he's running to the left because he just, he just lost the gap to the side he was on and theoretically added a gap to the side he's running to. You need to compute all of that on defense and oh yeah, set hut. That is why teams are doing all of this. The motions, tight formations, pre-snap movement, post-snap movement. It is all to mess with run fits and then how that run fit attaches to my pass response. And I think that's what's going on right now. So I think that's what's going on right now. I think that's what's going on right now. whether it was the style of defense. I mean, you can even look Something that's super fascinating to even just think about is, think about when the Seahawks dominated the league in the early 10s, right? 11, 12, 13, like the Pete Carroll, Legion of Boom. They dominated the league, right? And you saw so many teams from that tree either take guys from Pete's staff and make them the coordinators, or whether it was Dan Quinn or Gus Bradley, Robert Sala came from that tree. And everything was single high, big bodies in the box, overload your box with players, say you can't run, and then we're going to just play everything low to high, and we're going to rush with four, and we're going to dominate you. And a lot of people tried to replicate that. And people got better about attacking the seams in single high zone, and they understood where they're back. And teams started to figure it out when you didn't have the personnel that Seattle had. Well, now. The Robert Salas of the world and the Dan Quinns and the guys that 10 years ago, 12 years ago, they were that tree. That was the way they learned football, and that was Dan Quinn's original defense that he implemented when he got the head job at Atlanta. And then you look at what he did in Dallas, and you look at what they're doing now in Washington, and it looks wildly different. And you ask yourself, why? Like, what about it? It's not that that defense wasn't good in 2012. It was dominant. It was, they understood that the style of deep offenses that they're trying to play and the way that matches the defense isn't the way, isn't the best way to defend explosive plays. It's not the best way to defend vertical routes. It's not the best way to defend play action or whatever the case may be. So all these guys have evolved into, instead of everything starting and carrying it deep, everybody starts deep. Vic Fangio, like that kind of tree that really started that whole umbrella. Umbrella coverage, and then everything plays down as the play is snapped. That was an evolution, but the complete opposite of the Pete Carroll system where everything started down, and as the play went. The floor stuff that you're talking about. Deep. It's all just a pendulum back and forth. And then as teams start generating explosive plays in the passing game, in the run game, defenses will have to adjust. Not to go long-winded here, but I love this stuff. The overall arching point to all this. That I think people just need to grasp. If you grasp one thing, all of this football talk will make a lot more sense when you're watching the games. Offenses aren't running the ball more because they want to run the ball more. The idea is run, pass, screen. Offensive guys don't care how they do it. They want to generate 10-plus yard plays. Explosive plays. We just know it's easier to generate explosive plays throwing the ball. So what did teams start doing? They just threw the ball more, because on a per-play basis, I'm going to get more yards over long periods of time. That's just the way it is. If teams could generate explosive runs, and you play me in such a light box that I can generate 8, 9, 10, 10-plus yard runs, I'm happy to run the ball. Teams aren't running the ball more because they want to. Offenses are running the ball more because defenses want you to run the ball. If you run the ball 40 times. If you run the ball at me, and you end up with 160 yards, I'm thrilled. You're going to have low possessions. You didn't have a ton of explosives. You have four yards to carry. Now, on the paper, I gave up 160 yards. In the football, I came into the league, every coach in the league. We're going to hold them under 100 yards. Well, if you held them to 80 yards, and they threw for 330 and three touchdowns, you probably lost. So what teams are finding is it's not about the grossing. It's not about the gross yards. It's how many yards am I giving up a play? Now, if you rush the ball for 160 yards on 20 carries, I got a problem. Now you've gashed me, and you've probably scored 30. But if you ran for 160 yards on 40 carries, you slowed the game down. The clock ran more. You had fewer possessions. I get one turnover and two red zone stops. Even if you march the ball up and down the field on me the whole game, because you have so few possessions. You probably didn't have enough possessions. You probably didn't score more than 20 points. That's how the modern game is evaluated when they put together game plans. How many yards I give up to you mean nothing. I want to know how many yards I gave up on every play. If I'm giving up a lot on the run, that's a problem. But I certainly don't want to give up a lot per play, run or pass. That is a recipe to give up 30 plus a game. Does that make sense? What are you doing? Yeah, it makes sense. I mean, because I used to. It's crazy. The first time I started working in this and everybody would just say the same stuff over and over again. Stop the run, stop the run, stop the run. Yeah, it's bullshit. They don't really. They say it because they believe that. In my heart of hearts, and maybe I'm wrong, I believe players and coaches alike have been programmed for so long to publicly say, "We are here to stop the run." Because I think there is a built-in, you can call it macho-ism? Totally. That's exactly what it is. I don't know if that's a word. Totally. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. and then I would do whatever I saw on the couch and then baiting the public. So it was a complete disaster. So we're going to try to run that back. We're due. We're due for that one. If you look at the most handle of any single game, it's Philadelphia against Tennessee. Now, if you're looking at handle by size, which is usually like fading what everybody's betting on, this is actually a very kind of non-public pick. But the Jets are actually at plus three and a half against Green Bay, getting the most amount of money bet on them. Number two is Philadelphia, minus seven and a half against Tennessee. That number opened at four and a half. And then Tampa is in third, the most amount of money being bet, minus eight and a half for Cleveland. So the Tennessee-Cleveland one are very public things. Big numbers laying that as a favorite against bad football teams. But, you know, a little sneaky, sneaky Jets offense, plus three and a half against Green Bay. That actually surprised me a little bit. As far as props, Jamar Chase is just running away with the entire podium. He's the most bet on over 100-plus yards, the most bet on, 70-plus yards, the most bet on 80-plus yards. So it's three different Jamar Chase ones there for you. So if I'm looking at the public amount of money that's out there, which is something that you can try to do, there's a bunch that, look, on paper, you're never going to like picking the team nobody else is picking. Because you're like, well, no wonder nobody wants to bet on Miami. Plus 12 and a half. 12 and a half is a staggering number in the NFL. There's also maybe the Saints, because after that, that's probably one of the most public things where no one wants to take the Saints against Baltimore. It means I kind of don't want to either. So you probably plug that one in, plus eight and a half for them. But I'm going to go with Denver. A lot of people on Jacksonville laying the two and a half points, visiting the Broncos after the week one disaster for Denver. And Jacksonville looking so good. So I kind of like Denver in that spot. Minus two and a half at home. New DraftKings customers sign up with code Ryan. Spend just five bucks, get 200 in total rewards within 21 days. That's code Ryan, R-Y-E-N, in partnership with DraftKings. The crown is yours. The Alliance marches on a little later this season, because we're trying to figure everything out. So let's bring in the boys right now. Did Kyle end up winning last year? I can't find the – I have the NBA one. Kyle did win that one. He did. I won it all, guys. There was some controversy. I'll pretend like I did or didn't. I won it all. Yeah, listen. Give me my fucking footlong sandwich or whatever you're supposed to give me. Let's just – you're supposed to have the prize before we start the new thing, and we didn't do that. We're already starting to, like, stand up late. Not a night owl, newsflash. All right. Well, the board is yours, Kyle. Champion. Thanks. Just for the record, Kyle was 55%. I was 50%. Ryan, 38%. So that was a disaster. Thank you. Yeah. Sure. Vibes pick. I'm just taking the Patriots spread. I don't care what it's going to be. Right now, it's five and a half. I'm taking them. It's vibes pick. I'm wearing that same jersey again. Hopefully, I'm not going to end up. I'm going to end up at a billiards place because it's a Sunday. But emotional bounce back. Totally. Totally. Okay. All right. I like it. You mentioned you liked Denver. I like the over in that game. I actually would pick the Jags, I think, if I was taking a side as well. I'm just kind of a Trevor Lawrence believer now, I guess. Maybe I'm a Liam Cohen believer, and they kind of whipped their ass last year in Denver, too. So I kind of – I'm a Jags believer, but I think there'll just be points in this game. I think Denver's going to be desperate. So give me over 45 and a half. But I feel like the secret is out about how bad Western Kentucky is. But let's see if we can keep it going one more week. The Hoosiers. Indiana Hoosier Daddy. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. And bring them in. And we're here to announce that Sam Bassini and Game Theory are coming over to be a part of my thing and partnering up with Barstool. And Sam joins us now. I love it. I'm super excited to team up with you. I'm super excited to team up with Barstool. Like, I think this is an amazing, fun ride that we're going to go on. Like, I couldn't be more pumped. Yeah, look. And Saruti is pumped. I think he wants to work more. So he was like, you know, your show's cool and all, but I want to start doing more stuff. And, you know, look, you get it. We're huge fans. And it's funny because I feel like I get so caught up in the draft stuff. It's like, I just don't have Sam on enough to just do NBA because I know that I'm just, you know, how my draft schedule works. So it's going to be great. So what are you doing Sunday, Tuesday, Thursdays? And then the first show is going to be when? So plan is for the preseason, we will go Sunday and Thursdays. Once the season starts, Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday show will be our normal Sunday show that I always do. Tuesday will just be me by myself. Saruti and I are talking. We're talking about setting up a voicemail feed for you guys to be able to call in, ask me questions. We'll just fire away. Tuesday games are often pretty good. I think that's the Amazon night if memory serves. So typically we get some good games on Tuesday night and then Thursday night will be the normal show. We have a couple of really fun people that are going to come on throughout the year. I know that definitely a couple of episodes a month. They're going to be draft centric. So really excited about that. And then throughout, we're just going to supplement with different interviews. People who want to come on, I'm sure, you know, I hope that some of the Barstool people want to join in and have some fun. So yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm really, really looking forward to kind of expanding this now that I don't have any writing to do anymore. So you're not going to do any writing. You're not going to do anything on sub stack, all these scouting reports. We'll see. It's very, it's possible that like in March, I feel like I need to do something and like release something, but I have left the athletics. So I don't, I don't have a place to write right now other than the sub stack. So I'm pretty good. That is the smile of a writer who doesn't have to write as much anymore. It really is. Man, those were, those were dossiers on every single guy. So, um, all right, well, let's do a quick topic here. I'm not ready to do any kind of NBA preview and I don't want to do anything like that. Now that the dust is settled with this Clipper situation. And by the way, like I can't really knock the Clippers for releasing the fact that Balmer is basically going to accept the punishment. And turn the page on this and releasing it during Sunday night football with Dallas and New York. But it's so obvious why they'd be releasing it by then. I also couldn't like, I don't want to apologize. Yeah. I don't want to apologize. Be like, that's dirty, but it's also tactically probably the right move, um, with this, but look, a lot of wrong moves have led the Clippers to this. And whether it's you kind of taking it all in, we've never talked about it or looking at the roster, go wherever you want. Yeah. I mean, so two separate things. Like I thought the punishment. Was justified based off of what they found in the walk, tell report. Uh, I found it interesting that Kawhi sort of got off Scott free, but then you listened to Pablo Torre today as we're recording on Tuesday or Thursday night, rather he reported that Kawhi and the players association kind of came to the table and they were like, Hey, we're willing to negotiate in a way that the Clippers weren't. So given that you kind of understand why it ended up being the way it was where Kawhi got off Scott free. And one thing that I think is really important is that the Clippers didn't want to do anything about it. They didn't want to do anything about it. So once the players association was involved in this deal, it became very, very difficult for Steve Ballmer to really challenge it in any way. He couldn't take it to arbitration. He needed to either make a decision on, do I take this to court or not? Do I try to sue the NBA? And I don't know, man, like I'm not saying Steve Ballmer is guilty of anything, you know, beyond the quiet Leonard caps. Our convention thing, which the walk, tell report lays out, but like, I often think that with billionaires, you may not want too, too many, uh, investigators digging into a lot of your life. And you open yourself up to a whole lot of scrutiny and discovery if you decide to go down that road. So I'm not super surprised that the Clippers decided to just let this go. What I find interesting though, Ryan, and I'm interested to hear what you think about this. You know, people say like straight up, the sky is falling for the Clippers and that they're going to be terrible for the next decade and everything. I just do not agree with that. I think that they are not in a great spot, obviously, but I don't understand why people look at this with Steve Ballmer still being the richest owner in the NBA, them having a ton of flexibility here, moving forward on their cap sheet, also having three first round picks still, it's not like they have been left with none, they have three first round picks. in their cash. Like I'm just confused why everyone's like they're done this is curtains for like the clippers organizationally saw someone say like they need a rebrand i was just like like let's chill out a little bit here i remind the audience of this all the time and why the audience gets mad at shows but there's just no real way to do this topic the next day on the show without saying that the sky is falling because if you're sitting at the desk and pick whatever tv show desk you're at it's just like it's almost like the pre-show meeting if you go yeah well i can see their way out of it it's just more fun it's a better conversation if everybody's trying to out doomsday scenario everyone else yeah uh and that's what happens well especially especially when it comes to punishment you know it's like in the moment when people start speculating like what punishment should be and you're like what wait a minute it's like and then everybody tries to like out punish punishment everybody else i thought it was significant punishment but i'm with you like if you look at the way teams work and you know if they're as bad like i was looking at it like if wogler turns into something then maybe it's a path like thinking you're flirting with the play-in but that's a huge huge leap as of right now i still like garland a lot he's also really expensive if you go through their depth chart and look at the center situation it's pretty brutal and i'm not a brandon ingram guy i never will be he'll score 20 a game i don't care um he's also pretty expensive as well but i'm i'm with you because like it there's look there's a chance they're not good for like 10 years and everybody will point to this it's like well there's also chances like other teams aren't good for 10 years but with their resources and the fact they'll probably flip these picks for somebody else and then when they have cap space and it's for a player that can't get that money somewhere else guess what he's going to do he's going to sign where the cap space is that player is not going to care about all of this stuff so to act you know to talk about this the day after i get the behind the certainty of no way out in 10 to 15 years but i can see where you know we could be sitting here in three years and i'm not going to be sitting here and i'm not going to be sitting here in three years going well they kind of found a way through this thing not necessarily to be a title contender but a way to be far better off than anyone is thinking in 2026 yeah just thinking about it from the perspective of okay so the nets made in 2013 the massive trade for paul pearson kevin garnett that essentially turned into a death penalty of sorts for their organization within five or six years they had signed kevin durant and kairi ervin and were set up to go make a deal for james harden because they drafted jared allen and caris lavert and all these guys that you know d'angelo russell ended up making an all-star game there that it turned out to be pretty good so on top of that the clippers are just way more well set up than what that nets organization was and i think the two situations are actually relatively comparable because you're looking at richest owner in the nba in the la market versus you know brooklyn under prokhorov or whatever right at that time and they're not going to be and i think psy is the one that ended up taking over and ended up signing kevin durant and kairi but it's a very similar situation to me this big market little brother type of team that is trying to get over the hump trying to get past the lakers trying to get past the new york knicks in the case of brooklyn within their own marketplace and they actually have a top five pick in keaton wogler that you and i both really like they have really nobody on the books outside of wogler and they're not going to be able to get past the lakers and they're not going to and a couple of their other younger guys here moving forward beyond two years from now including darius garland and brandon ingram they have the ability with steve ballmer where if they wanted to take on really bad contracts in order to get draft picks nobody in the nba is going to be able to do that with more ease financially than what steve ballmer is going to be able to do so once he takes over the team again in a year and on top of that they have like interesting guys like and chris dunn and derrick jones jr and other guys like that where if they don't extend those guys they're going to be able to trade them for maybe not anything more than you know a bottom five first round pick but at the very least a bunch of second round picks that they'll be able to take flyers on and the last thing that i'll say about this too in terms of what their future is you talk to people around the league and you get to know people within the clippers front office which i'm sure you do as well this front office is widely widely widely respected as having one of the deepest benches in the nba trent redden it would have a gm job a head of basketball operations job if it wasn't for the fact that the clippers just continue to pay to have him around at the end of the day you look at somebody like monty mcnair like who just went there monty mcnair was a former executive of the year mark hughes is really well regarded as like an older head around that can really help kind of bring everybody together they still have who's a terrific coach their structural integrity as an organization is really really high even without guys like lawrence frank around yeah i would agree with that um everybody raves about i would say everything you just talked about staff and lou and all that kind of stuff and i i just cannot tell you how little players will care about everything that just happened they're not going these guys don't care about this stuff ryan jalen duran right now is like trying to find a way to get to sacramento which is one of the organizations in the league that i think would be pretty comparable historically to the la clippers or at least reportedly he's trying to figure out if there's a route to getting him to sacramento either by taking the qualifying offer or you know potential sign and trade outcomes whatever does he want to play behind ben simmons i guess if he gets the contract point yeah i mean that's that's a whole new look um you know what's really funny about this though is i still can't get over the timeline of of the clippers wanting the win that was like the fakest win ever for those 24 48 hours after the esp in report because you're kind of like why like what did it feel like to do that and then know that none of this was accurate and you know as i said after it happened the next day like remember this the next time you think an investigation is taking a little too long and if anything were ever rushed and done wrong then the same people would be crushing them for rushing through this whole thing and granted the kawaii trade made it even stranger um because you had this uncertainty even though you had people in toronto that had worked like pretty closely in the nba that probably had an idea of like hey if i do this is this a disaster and it's like well it might be more on the clippers than it's going to be on kawaii uh to the point that you just made but it's it's going to be one of those strange things that i'll just never quite understand of whatever you can't even call it a win the temporary window that they expect expect it was almost like they were trying to convince themselves that it wasn't going to go against them and then the nba releases that statement being like yeah that whole report isn't true it clearly wasn't true you go through the findings and you're like oh my god i'm not going to win this game i'm not going to win this and i think if anything the findings are telling us the reason it took so long is because the bad information never stopped coming in and we're still following up on some of this stuff and i could see the clippers maybe originally going like you know like anyone who watches these crime shows like what do you actually have us on or like well other than ballmer handing a duffel bag of cash to kawaii at the 50 yard line of the halftime show the super bowl like this is fairly damning stuff and it's not just a one-off it's it's incident after incident um so you know sometimes i always try to think of like what was happening there and i think it was survival mode i think it was survival mode and then hoping that messaging would get out and that messaging would somehow influence this but it's like yeah but no one in the league that gossips and talks to everybody all the time is talking to anyone that's doing the investigation like this is an independent law firm so um when i went through the report i went like if you kind of knew about some of this stuff or being asked and so many of your employees are like oh my god i'm not going to be interviewed about this stuff like you had to have known you guys were probably fucked and they for whatever reason wanted to kind of fake everybody out for a couple days strange so can i almost take that on the other way like i think that they didn't think they were fucked and all of their actions up until the last you know what like week or so once ballmer decided to say that oh we're ballmer's personal lawyers saying that this has done irreparable harm to his reputation and like what will it yeah but i mean lawyers lawyers they love that stuff it's like this is awesome i get to like yeah really get mad on behalf of my client about something to me i think the whole thing was that they feel like what they were doing was legal like i actually believe that and all of their actions up until now say that including the actions of the front office because if you look at the report lawrence frank cooperated with them essentially is what the report says is that he has diligent notes anybody around the nba that you know knows lawrence frank will tell you he is a diligent diligent note taker and he had all these notes and was you know comfortable speaking with the uh investigators with wachtel lipton and tell them what the deal was now i think that the reality is that lawrence frank had to know what was in his notes and he had to know on some level that he had spoken to investigators he did it himself the problem for me is that i genuinely think they didn't think that what they did was legal because if they did illegal you mean illegal sorry they wouldn't have handled their operations and basketball decision making in the same way they did think about losing the evita zoo bots pick right so they trade evita zoo bots for benedict mathurin uh isaiah jackson two first round picks one of which was the pick that turned into Keaton Wagler, that only had a 50-50 chance of eventuating. So think about it in terms of what would have happened with that Zubats deal. If the Pacers had kept that pick, right? They would have had this pick now extended out to 2028. They probably would have lost that pick and they probably would have lost the pick in 2029 that they eventually lost anyway in this deal via forfeiting it in their penalty. So I actually genuinely believe, and then they let Ben Matherin just walk because they were comfortable letting Ben Matherin walk. I genuinely believe that the way that they handled their basketball operations and their decision-making over the course of the last year says to me that they felt like what they did was actually not a problem. Like, I think that they felt like introducing different, you know, sponsors to Uncle Dennis or whatever was within the bounds. I think that's the only thing that I can logically wrap my head around is making sense. Maybe, and knowing the gray area of stories that we hear about different players and be like, oh, hey, if this guy goes here, like in some of this stuff is, as I've said numerous times, like some of it almost gets talked about as it's completely accepted by their shoe deals or all of a sudden somebody's popping up and doing advertisements for some combined sponsor. So maybe, I also think they might've looked at Zoo going, hey, this is a great chance at a top pick. And so in a vacuum, we would do this no matter what. So it could speak to like, let's just keep moving. Yeah. And then moving forward, even if we know we're in trouble. I mean, you make a really good argument for it. I just can't imagine Jillian Zucker getting done being interviewed, being like, this is fine. Like, this is going to be good. And then not telling other people and be like, they have emails from my assistant, who's like a contracted employee of the Clippers, essentially admitting that he's structuring, or she, I believe, was structuring the deal for Aspiration. But look, the last thought I have on it is that I can't wait to see what the Raptors extension is going to be for Kawhi, because that was probably all worked out ahead of time. Yeah. Those things. Those things are worked out ahead of time. See Trey Young's extension. So that's one of those things that is just kind of an accepted part of this whole thing. Toronto always has a special place of annoying for me because I was even listening to a reporter on NBA radio not that long ago, and he was talking about how the East, you know, stacks up and that Toronto's being overlooked as a favorite. And it's like, man, first of all, it's not about Toronto. It's about the East. Like, I could argue maybe seven or eight teams to be a one or a two seed this year. Like, the East is going to be incredible. But it also speaks to like, when Toronto gets something, they're so much more appreciative of getting something because they think everybody's out to get them and everyone's against them. And I think more often than not, they're completely misguided. And we're just able to throw an international label on this whole thing. But Kawhi is very lucky that he is the most reluctant superstar I've maybe ever seen in this league. Because if this was somebody with a big personality, somebody that was everywhere, I mean, the irony being that Kawhi doesn't have all of these, his endorsement deals, except for apparently all of these, that we will turn the page on Kawhi because we've been so confused by him for over a decade. Like, he just gets to kind of move on. And he's not going to be the subject of talk shows because he's just never really going to talk about any of this stuff. And we've accepted that he's like a detached personality from a league that's full of strong personalities. Well, in that vein, too, I think that, it has kind of worked to underrate how good he still is in a lot of ways. From December onward last year, he was pretty clearly one of the five best players in the league. He was ridiculous. I also can't help but notice that it was before he was worried about his next contract extension. But to your point, when you went through the number, it was kind of like, is he really doing this? Like, I'm watching it. Then you're going, he is off the chart. So I'm with you. So keep going. It was like 29-6-4 on like 52-4. Or 42-90 or something in his last 50 games of the year. It was absurd. He is genuinely the exact player that the Toronto Raptors need to be able to push them because he is the perfect fit next to Scottie Barnes. He's not a guy that like is going to attack the rim relentlessly. He's just a perfect scorer. What's Scottie Barnes? He's a guy that can really distribute. He can play as a point guard. He's a really great defender, obviously. But where he took that next leap forward for me in the playoffs was he just started relentlessly attacking the rim. He was like, nope. I've figured out now that nobody can stop me from getting here. I am physical. I am stronger than these guys. I'm more athletic than they are. I'm just going to live at the foul line moving forward. I think that Kawhi is the perfect complement for Scottie Barnes as a player. And you look at what they have from like a positionless basketball perspective with Colin Murray-Boyles, you know, being able to play the center position and hold that down. And then you look at, you know, Emmanuel Quickly and RJ Barrett and everybody else they still have in this roster. I get it from Toronto fans. Fans perspective. Like, I don't know that I will have them at like number one in the regular season in the Eastern Conference or anything. They and the Knicks are probably the two teams right now I would not want to run into in the playoffs. If I'm, you know, we'll see what Philadelphia looks like. But man, I think that team is so dangerous in a playoff setting. They can play big. They can play small. They have an absolute assassin with Kawhi Leonard as long as he's healthy and gets through the regular season. I think that team is super, super dangerous. And I'm really, really excited to watch them. But yeah, that's a, that's a scary team to me in the East, to be honest. I'm worried that Kawhi gets his deal. And it's like, you want me to play the playoffs this year? But if he's playing, you're absolutely right. Because he's so good. And he's good in a way that isn't disruptive to your other good players. I mean, he's, I don't want to, it feels insensitive, well, insensitive is a stupid word, insulting to say that he's a complimentary player. But you need someone, someone to compliment what Scottie Barnes just did. Cause I'm, I'm with you. Like whatever kind of up and down relationship I've had with Scottie Barnes. And look, the downs aren't that significant. You were just like, I wonder if he's actually going to kind of be like a guy, a guy, or if he's just going to be like really good. It's kind of fun, but maybe it's just never that polished. I'm totally with you. That Cleveland series. I was like, remember this series when you talk about them next year. And when you talk about Scottie Barnes and who he is, like who his contemporary should be, like start to start them, whatever that is, start moving him up. Because I thought that was a spectacular series. And I'm with you. I don't think Kawhi coming in, even with the way, you know, he's going to get his touch and all that kind of stuff. I don't think it screws you up the way somebody is like ball dominant point guards. It's like, all right, well, cool. But now what are you going to do to everybody else that you're here? No, it's like, it's almost in some level, a less ball dominant Brandon Ingram. Like Brandon Ingram is the guy that will catch, will hold the ball, will try to dribble four or five times, and then he'll kind of, he'll take over the offense in some way. Kawhi lets things come to him. And yes, he'll live in the mid post sometimes and we'll take jumpers. But man, I think it's pretty seamless. And I think it's just way better fit than what Brandon Ingram was for them last year, even throwing away the playoffs. Like people forget Brandon Ingram made the all-star game last year. That's the really funny thing. It was absurd when he made the all-star game over Scotty when it happened, but he did. He wasn't terrible throughout the course of the regular season. Like he wasn't the playoffs. It's just a better fit with Kawhi, because he moves the ball quickly. He's a lot more seamless in terms of his decision-making. He fits that positional, you know, position list style of basketball that Darka Ryakovich and everybody there wants to run so wonderfully. Yeah. I mean, man, the Clippers thing is just so, it's so weird to me because they're going to figure out how to work Darius Garland and Brandon Ingram together. And do we trade one of them? Do we trade another one of them? Like, do we try to trade? You know, Darius Garland and get draft picks. They're just in such a weird position here moving forward. First episode is Sunday. Yeah. All right. So we'll go Sunday. We're going to talk about rookies that we're excited to watch this year. So just keep it real simple, right in the bread and butter. We want to get, we've thought about doing a mock draft to start, but we want to get it like really well set with graphics. And that's what the team at Barstool has been amazing about so far. It's like, Hey, we're not going lo-fi anymore. We're going to have something like really nice to be able to present for people whenever we're doing shows like this. So that's, what's going to be a really, really great about the upgrade here in terms of moving over to work with you and to team up with folks at Barstool. It's just really, really exciting. People behind the scenes of Barstool is going to blow you away. Like I believe, even from like the limited interactions that I've had with them so far, they're amazing. It's incredible. And it's really impressive. And Saruti and I remember after like our first meeting and Saruti was like almost chuckling, like out loud, just going like, Holy shit, this place is buttoned up. Maybe a redraft of the 26 draft. Is it too soon? Uh, you know, I think that we could probably do it. Yeah. Do you want to come on and redraft the 2026 NBA draft and, you know, preseason before they play a game. I think that's the right way to go about it. I'm in, I'm in zone coverage mode right now. 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That's the email. The inbox is just absolutely resonating. I mean, it's showing up on the Geiger counters. It's just a lot, a lot of activity, a lot of activity. Great hat. I can only hope that Revolve men will have that. I don't know that they will. This is a limited edition, but no, I wore my Revolve stuff yesterday. I just, you know, I just didn't pop as much. Yeah, it was a nice little Viore long sleeve number. You know, I'm a dad. I get, you know, I like the Viore stuff. So he's in gear. Kyle, is that Revolve? This is Revolve. Yeah. I kind of had a 90s. Yeah. I got one more. Hammering the Ralph Lauren. I got one more. It's also Ralph Lauren. But yeah, all sort of like, you know, turn of the century sort of stuff. I might go do a Sears photo shoot later today. I'm just really feeling it with the fall and everything. You dabble in the purple label at all there, Kyle? No, no, no. I mean, it's a dream. You know, a gal can dream, but it's a dream. Yeah, you're right. It is. It's once you, once you hit yes, I feel like being financially, financially secure is clicking on two day shipping. 20 bucks gives a shit. Yeah. That's real money, right? No, you know what? I don't actually need another item to get free shipping. I'll just take this. Yeah. Free shipping four to eight days. Two day FedEx. Yeah. Things are good. Things are real good. It makes it easier on their end too, right? You know, just streamline it. Yeah. All right. Let's see here. Um, Danbury mall. Really fellas. I have, we get emails about Danbury all week. Really? It's the hottest topic. That's awesome. And I don't have like anything to say about it. I just mean either. Yeah, no, I thought of myself. What's their food court like live show there? What are the kind of numbers we do there? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, it's kind of a, you know, we might get some tri-state action over there. Which market you think we do the worst in live show. Cause I was like looking, I got a notification for this comedian who's doing the Kia forum and I'm like, he can fill that place. Like that seems like no way I was shocked. So I don't, I don't know if that's going to be yet. And, uh, now I'm thinking like, and I started thinking about it was like, which, which venue would I go to where they're like, probably any of tickets still available. Probably Oxford, Oxford, Mississippi. The Oxford show was a day show. I know. I will never, it was pretty full for being the terrible time. Yeah. It worked out. All right. Considering. Yes. But I, as it was happening, that was one of those moments was like, you probably should have thought about this a little bit more a day show Thursday before the LSU crew. I feel like I heard you say out loud to maybe no one in particular, like I never want to do some shit exactly like this again. I think I like this a hundred percent my fault. I wanted to go to Ole Miss so bad. I was like, I want to do the live show. We're going to make this whole thing happen. And then I was like, yeah, that works or that's good. Or what's going on there as I hold up a credit card in my hand with my number on it backwards because I need to pay a bill a little bit later. So that's probably going to work out great. Um, so yeah. Thank you to it. But yeah, that, that, that only show. Well, what happened when we were also waiting on LSU and then they didn't let us know, and this isn't their fault at all. It was like, we just didn't know what the team travel was. We get coach and there's one person to blame me. No, no, no. I didn't know. I didn't want to do this. No, it's okay. Sometimes you just have to step up and go, I didn't think this out. And then I spent, fuck man. I don't know how long it was there. I think I joined a 24, seven fitness. We did go out to that. We had that. We went out with van and had those slushy drinks bagged, like bagged cocktails. I mean, that's what it's been. Van can't even put those down to have a night. You got to hold them until you're done. Van had the, his dog ate a tennis ball, right? Right. So then he had to leave. He had to fly back to LA. He just looked at me too. He's like, I cannot believe we've been planning this night together. Right. Cause it was going to be van in the wild. And then we actually ended up having like, and I remember having like this moment too, where I was sitting there and I was at one of the places and it was shout out to Lee. Cause I wasn't, um, I wasn't at the other place. I was at one of the other ones and he, he took care of me a little bit. And then I was like, okay, what do you, what do you want this to be? And I was like, you should probably just go home. Um, cause then van left. I was like, I don't know, man. I don't know. All right. Let's read some emails here. Dan Barry speaking of, I think I do. Okay. And Dan Barry. Yeah. I was, I would really rack my brain trying to figure out what the worst place would be like, like how big does this have to be? Well, there's look anything over a certain number I would do awful. So like, well, we're not talking about any size. I mean, any of the flyover States, I mean, you're taking a risk, right? Flyover States. I don't know. Taking a risk. I mean, just depending on how spread out the listenership is, you know, you might have a lot of people in the Dakotas, but are they near where you're going? I think we did. Nebraska show. It'd be fine. I love saying that to Kyle Nebraska. I think we do. We crush. I love that. I think I'm not nice about Nebraska at all. I'm like, that's never the nineties is never happening again. Maybe, maybe now we wouldn't do well. All right. I am really just easing into these emails lately. Do you want me to tell you a story while we're dicking around? I'm going to do this for everybody. Um, that was so annoying. I was annoyed by my phone. I was annoyed by all the incoming chatter, nothing to do with the show, nothing to do with work. Work's been great. Work's been fucking awesome. We're almost a year in here and it's been an awesome, awesome deal. I cannot express that enough, but just other stuff. I was like, I don't feel like dealing with any of this. And so I wanted to go play the par three, trying to gear up for the Cedar trip. And, uh, I've never, I haven't done this in front. I just was like, I don't not bring my phone. I'm not bringing my phone. I'm not bringing my phone freedom on the trip or just for a few hours yesterday to leave. Okay. Well, no, the whole trip would be a little difficult if I didn't have work responsibilities or work in a place where you probably need to like be available for people asking questions. Uh, I just was like, I'm going to leave the house without the phone and I'm going to play the par three. And it was, you know, you check for a phone that isn't there like three times instinctively, but then it wasn't there. And I'm like, Oh, this is great. Like who gives a shit? I kind of want to get back to it, man. You know, like we found you can't do that for another like fucking 15 years. So those kids are grown. Yeah. He's like, you can't even try that shit. Kids did great for centuries. I know. But now, now there's no coming back. No, I mean, I, I, well, what do you mean? I'm in the young enough age with them where like, they don't need my, my kids aren't getting phones until, Oh, now your kids are talking about what a daycare needs to call you, dude. Yeah. That's true. That's all right. Perfect example of that. Right. My kid is home. She got strapped through. It was fun. Um, maybe I got to get a landline, just bring the landline back, put the phone down and just, Hey, if you need me to call my landline and like only a few people have that number, it's not like my phone is just half spam anyway, you know, but you're right. I'm on my phone. Like, just like, why am I on the for you page? Like with dudes arguing whether or not like Macklemore's actually underrated or not as a musician. I'm like, I don't, I don't need to be reading this stuff. I'm good. You know, what's insane about the political spam stuff that I'm getting out here is that it's all automated. And every time it's an ex-girlfriend's name, it's the same X. It's like, Hey, it's fill in the blank of my ex-girlfriend's name. It'll be like, Hey, it's, and I'm like, what? It's like curious if you've thought about how much almond farming is costing Californians when it comes to water. I was like, Oh, it's like, she would never bring this up. Stop. Well, you guys get like the, Hey, like, what are you doing? And I think I started like responding to those. Just to see what would happen and nothing happens. So I don't know. I told one. was live and and she was like do you have a stance on this political thing and i was like honestly it's been just a really bad week for me and she was like are you okay and i just started like dumping all sorts of scenarios on her i was like i just didn't even know how i can stand for anything if i can't stand for myself she was like super receptive to it like oh my god and then she checked in the next day she was that worried about oh wow you know it's kind of nice so yeah yeah she was great or ai is getting even better but yeah i'm playing the par three and i did kind of get mixed up with the miracosta high school team and so at one point there was like somebody straggling and i was like this is going to be a good look if it's like i saw racilla playing with four high school girls at the par three the other day that's a little weird so then i didn't even know what to do like i should i say anything to anybody um but then i noticed a hawk that was watching me for like 20 minutes just floating the boat of me and i was like if i had my phone i wouldn't even see this hawk watching me for 20 minutes and it was just up there in the wind you know magnificent back to the danbury oh yeah 10 minutes danbury mall let's go i told myself to not do this but i can't mention it the hawk was unbelievable i would have never noticed he was watching me for that long i have a new co-worker who's from danbury lives in new town new town not newton he recently said that the danbury mall is quote heinous end quote and was built on the land uh-oh stolen land no no nope built on the land that used to be quote a famous racetrack i need a ruling from kyle is he legit do i trust someone who dares demean the vaunted danbury mall also he claims to be a descendant of sir francis drake do with that as you will uh sir francis drake's approval rating took quite a hit six years ago kyle was it a racetrack i don't know i know it was a fairgrounds from my research i mean a fairground seems like a pretty good place to have a racetrack maybe from time to time i don't i don't know um i don't care i mean where is this guy coming from that the danbury mall is heinous like what malls are you coming from that you can really shit on the danbury mall it's better than my ball it's just not 45 minute drive every time i need to go to a mall i respect the danbury mall and i respect that they probably had a bad hvac day when i went there but i mean to call it heinous where the fuck are you coming from dude well apparently it does sit on the former site of the historic danbury race arena which was like a stock car racing okay uh track so maybe he's a yeah i'm not saying he's wrong about the facts of of what used to be there i'm just saying they added like bring the attitude down a little bit is the grove your home mall like where where are you from that like you can say that about the fine folks at danbury mall i'm gonna people don't know this but connecticut is where racin lives there's racetracks all over stafford springs or stafford motor speedway i believe that staff am i right on the springs part of that i think you are yes connecticut is sneaky hick and i say that like respectfully like big time people have no idea really yeah you should just give the entire huh like fairfield county should just be new york it's a different yeah right well there's pockets there's like there's this yeah there's that um like it's really like there is this wild hick stretch like connecticut is so much more hick than people would ever imagine real country yeah strange but nobody wants to believe it they just see the mystic seaport and be like look how fancy these guys nuclear subs look at harford right look at you guys look at harford 21 look at those windows well put put you have more in connecticut put some points on my map i'll go i'll go back there i feel like i cut cerruti off no i got nothing that just that it just is it's it's like i think that would surprise people you you drive 20 minutes in the in like a different direction you're like where am i right now like what is happening you know you get like just like you know stuff on people's front lawns everywhere you know like yeah it's kind of crazy i'm telling you if you go off 84 you're gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh and like head east for a little bit just take a spin bring the kids ever heard of jewett city just saying what come on man all right did i break into this girl's apartment oh i like this okay uh 5 10 185 22 years old run lifts two three days a week eat too much candy i buy candy and i don't eat it see i'm the opposite i try not to buy candy because i will eat it i like get something at the airport going like you know what you haven't had a sweet tart two and a half years and i'll be like oh get and they'll have like two and go what are you what are you doing but i don't know something about being on a long plane ride just kind of feels like it's a necessity yeah oh i subscribe to like things that happen when you're traveling like don't count like i you know bag of raisinets you know i don't know i don't know i don't know mcdonald's 9 a.m cheeseburgers yeah like there's just no time 5 a.m 24 ounce 24 ounce drafts yeah yeah goose islands like yeah i'll make it a double bombay sapphire i'm flying to cleveland what's what's the problem it's wednesday sir we're not open yet we open at 6 a.m all right i can wait i'll go buy some combos and i'll come back yeah hopefully i'll get the late one all right uh i have run a marathon with no training 415 no impressive gym stats these days i need to shed a few pounds but it's been a tough uh but it's been tough working 60 70 hours a week player comp drew timmy oh good footwork good dad bod play above my height although i crashed the boards a little harder i like it he's like timmy but i'm better on a better rebound yeah you don't hear that i'm a single guy i think this is a confident guy here i'm a single guy working 60 70 hours a week in car sales at the best dealership in he gives us the state i'm not going to do it just in case this is weird uh making awesome money but i have very little free time if i want to get more than four hours of sleep sometimes i make the sacrifice but no more than three nights a week i just moved to phoenix from seattle and i'm single i don't really have time to go out and meet girls much because of my hours i'm great at talking to girls whoa full stop say that again i'm great at talking to girls have done well for myself dating have good game i just don't have a lot of time i got hinged been on a few dates finally found a girl that struck uh that has stuck so far super cute cute funny all the good stuff sorry for the long intro here we go first date sunday pick her up drinks bars super fun late night we really hit it off next night we watch a show wow back to back maybe it isn't but the next night we watch a show at her apartment for a few hours it was a chill night third night in a row so that's three nights in a row so this guy's too cool to even give the cool break you know he's too he just skips over the like you know we'll let the next 48 hours linger he's too cool for that i'll tell you though when you when you find somebody you like and then you just are confident enough to be like i'm picking you up later we're hanging out again tonight it's it's a good feeling it's happened once ever all right um so third night in a row yesterday i pick her up get a nice dinner go back to her place watch our show and she talked about this snack she likes from trader joe's i was already planning on going to trader joe's the next day so of course i'm going to get her this snack as well as some flowers and surprise her with them at her apartment here we are it's the next day i'm okay now i got her the snack flowers wrote a nice note i waited outside her building until someone let me in walked to her door and was going to hang the paper bag with everything on it on her doorknob when i did that the door slightly opened because it was unlocked i knew she was at work uh and also that she was about 10 hours from being done and going home i made the judgment call to go into her apartment grab a vase fill it with water and set up what i got her nicely on her table pictures attached below on my way out it started to hit me that this could be the end of my life i'm going to go to her apartment and i'm going to weirdly it could yep yeah i always did stuff like this in my last relationship but i've only been on three days okay let's not compare things then i told my sister and a female friend a couple hours ago they both love the gesture but said it depends on how close i am with a girl they're pretty close for three days my last girlfriend wasn't litigious at all so i mean this should be fine and three days in a row um two and a lot of hours together he's trying to maximize the hours here to make it more justifiable but i still just want but i still just went into her place without her knowing here i am she'll be home in four or five hours so he sent this yesterday you guys will read this after but my question is what do you think i should have done was this too much or do you think i'll be fine how the hell is this going to go i'm kind of stressing but hopefully she'll understand where my heart was at not the trespassing this looks like on paper if you guys want i'll send an update once you read it on the show thanks love the pod pick attached below it is a nice setup um but yeah i think this is a oh i mean you know this is definitely an oregon trail type you could definitely a b c or d they all have their own paths you know like they certainly do choose your own adventure go into the girls apartment start rummaging is there anything before we dig into this one is there anything to be said that she's so chill she doesn't lock her door regularly that's that that would mean that she's going to be okay with this i mean if you got a nice you know nice you know lobby with maybe a not a doorman but if there's there's a reasonable amount of security to the outside of the building but it sounds like there isn't he just waited till somebody left and shot right up the staircase you know so i don't know i think i would have locked the door and then just hung the shit on the door like i was going to do anyway and not not done anything but now i'm thinking like what if she's like leaving it unlocked because she doesn't have a key or like maybe there's a reason and now i locked her out of her own place but totally fine but to the root of the issue here would you guys have done this no i would have left everything right where it was i don't think i would have called and be like hey i'm at your door right now and something seems off even though that could be like a she might respect that a lot i think i probably would have just done what i came there to do maybe like that yeah here's the problem though i said hey i was going to drop this off but if you leave everything as is you she'd be like well like my door's open like what happened you know what i mean like what the heck happened did you maybe you didn't know and you're like oh no right oh you know what yeah exactly and then you're like well no it was open but i didn't want to go in and you're like well what do you mean you just left my door open like there's just you're just yeah i feel like you're kind of inviting like there's a no win here situation for you the good news is this girl clearly likes you if you're hanging out this much so i think it'll probably be fine and you could probably explain it away but in a vacuum it's a tough look yeah it's probably not a good win here i get why you should wear that purple dress more often yeah i think this is bad yeah i i don't know i don't i mean there's a chance it goes fine the vase is totally the vase you and she's not but this is this is one of those things where it's like hey one person who i thought was just like this person and then it's like completely like a completely different reaction early on the vase is tough the fact that you rummage you rummage for a vase that's that's if there was a line to be crossed that's definitely on the other side of it i don't know where the line is because this is this is money but the vase is a problem yeah and i saw the snack like those would have held up on a doorknob it would have been fine you weren't dropping off caviar yeah i would like to know what she says i would like an update on this yeah like i it clearly it's harmless but it's just did you lock her door on the way out probably if she has you know it's a good rule if if the if the girl has to explain to her friends like yeah but he didn't break in he but i was thinking the opposite like this could be a funny like hey you're you know five ten years you're buried totally hey this would be great on the third date after the third day he broke into my apartment you know like it could be kind of if this works out this is going to be an awesome story and i think i think yeah but that's the whole point is like there's a there's a very thin line between wedding toast and i haven't talked to that guy since right yeah so he went into the garbage and he found all of my tax returns from four years ago but he's a cpa and he saw all of these things that i'd missed um and that was our first date yeah you don't want to you don't want to be uh overstepping and that early which unfortunately you kind of fell into that one how would you feel if this happened to you three dates you come back i've always lived somewhere where if i left my door unlocked i mean huge problem for me so i'd be like you know what thank you i've always lived somewhere where if i fucked up like that you know everything i might be looking like the fresh prince when everybody moved out like oh my god so that did you get my snacks nope and my mattress is gone specifically for me i'd be like thank you so much i wouldn't think too much of it i don't think i uh yeah if i was inter i wouldn't care it would be fine i'd just be pumped somebody wanted to come over all right best friend college lie we also were inundated with these so many people reaching out to us telling us about lies after we told a story we read the email about the fake graduation and then i told a story about we had fake graduation ones coming in that were incredible um but here's one that i really enjoyed 510 155 47 obviously haven't lifted heavy in years but do run 30 plus miles a week and did play d3 basketball and d1 track and field doing athletes listen to this podcast sorry for the long email this one isn't short but i think we'll be all right i too have a buddy who has lied to his wife about his college accolades that's right it all started from the barbecue d1 d1 except my man hardly attended college at all he's now so deep into the story that i'm not sure there's a graceful way out my best friend of 35 years has been happily married for about 20 years and when i say happily married i mean it they're probably the happiest most genuinely in love couple i know his wife is extremely driven very successful and by far the breadwinner she's done well enough that they have a vacation home uh other location we'll leave it out my buddy eventually settled into the mr mom role with their kids and honestly it fits him perfectly they have a great life here's the problem our sophomore year of college uh let's just say he transferred to a midwest school my buddy was supposedly enrolled at a smaller school whose semester started a week later so he came to our college town to hang out and party before heading back totally makes sense except for this part he basically never left he started hanging around campus going to parties even attending classes with girls he met at one point he'd actually sat for a midterm in a class he wasn't enrolled in when the professor checked ids he had to leave and apparently explained there must be an issue um with the bursar i don't know i'm not from so the man was not a student every few weeks someone in a close group would ask him the obvious question did you drop out why don't you just enroll here he'd insist he was still enrolled at his actual school and say something like i've been communicating with professors and sending a few assignments down that sounds like grade 8 yeah um we would call laugh and move on but he would adamantly insist he was telling the truth fast forward a few years and he meets his future wife she's ambitious buttoned up and clearly going places somewhere during the dating process he tells her he's finishing an engineering program he was not finishing an engineering program eventually he goes into another field um she she shoots up the ranks and hers they have kids he takes on more of the stay-at-home parent role again it works they're happy nobody cares this dude doesn't have an engineering degree except apparently him every blue moon will be sitting around with a few couples and will casually drop something like quote I really sacrifice my engineering career to make this call work you got to be laying low if you're this guy what are you doing this guy's kind of awesome um I mean I don't really like him but it's kind of just funny every guy in the room knows there was no engineering career to sacrifice other buddies have pulled me aside afterward and said does he not remember that we were there we know he doesn't have an engineering degree my answer is always the same he's in too deep yeah we're all pushing 50 now nobody gives a damn where anybody went to college he has a great wife great kids and what appears to be a genuinely happy marriage the lie is completely unnecessary at this point which somehow makes it even funnier when he dusts off the old engineering career every couple of years so here's my life advice question do I ever pull my best friend aside and say brother you can put the engineering degree down now we all know nobody cares you won or after 25 plus years is this lie now load bearing what a great sentence we need to work that in somehow it's been like is this a load bearing issue does it all fall down just a terrific sentence from the emailer so thank you to you who knows maybe we'll get it working in um so is this lie now load bearing and should I just let this man continue you guys are 50 now I don't think it I don't think it would be uh something that would come out after a few beers if we're fighting I think you just fight with your friends way less when you're older I just I'm hoping but um but I could see this now if this was happening you do Kyle you do okay good because I could see this now I'll tell you if if there isn't any and then there's like a and there's a one year involved build up I mean I've seen some where it's like this is never going to be the same right Drake late night nothing was the same night the the uh the late night barbecue when you should have left three hours ago and there's still guys around the fire pit and then it's like this is when it could come up you know they're arguing and now now we're talking about this thing that I don't think that'll happen I think you guys are old enough uh I don't think I could hold this in sort of like we talked about with the d1 thing I would I would certainly be alone or or as low alone it could be before I bring this up but I don't think I can hold this in especially if it's if he's continuing to do it like that's it's strange man it's like he's like returning to the scene of the crime like he wants to get caught or something it's strange yeah this this is a situation you don't you don't like mess with this guy's like happiness like he seems like you know we're not trying to like break up families and be a home wrecker here um but that's not what he's saying though he just wants to know if he should like go one time I think that's fair I think you could be like hey dude like what we're still doing this I mean it's kind of insane that you guys have waited this long though to like for this to become a thing you know I I would have probably nipped this in the butt a little bit earlier and it would have become a thing in the friend group but like now you're 50 and it's like no one's talked about this it's kind of odd um can you can you just kind of mess with them though in like a playful way like whenever the next time he brings it up and just be like hey man like yeah for the kids you know out of college you think about maybe maybe get back into it what are you thinking like and just kind of like dig at him a little bit maybe his wife's like oh yeah honey you should totally do that like that'd be great and then put him put him in a weird spot uh you know that I don't think that like harms anyone necessarily but at least kind of puts him in place, maybe makes you feel good about your situation here. So that's what I would do, but I wouldn't. I don't know. How good is Georgia Tech's engineering school? What would you get into? If he does think this is load-bearing and it's been so long, he may have convinced himself that you guys think he went. You know what I mean? He might be doing some fucking brain chemistry wizardry up here where he thinks everybody thinks it. It's not just he forgot that you guys were there because his lie is so sick and he's got aspirations of going back to this career that never happened because he's just been doing it that long. I don't know what's going on up there. Yeah, I don't. I mean, it's really, really funny and it's sort of crazy and maybe why Mad Men worked beyond even the obvious reasons, you know? Just all these Don Drapers checking in, left and right. Like, this is crazy. I used to think from the first watch of that show that him being a deserter and taking on a new identity didn't really matter. And then it's like, no, that's this haunting through line. Like, the show still would have been great, but you needed something else. And there's just a lot of dudes walking around with this stuff. Not that it took a few emails for us to wonder about the whole thing, but I don't. I mean, there's. I think the emailer's like, he's not mad, right? He just almost wants to have that one time with him being like, you know, we all know you're completely full of shit, right? And congrats by the way. You have an awesome life. But I'm so entertained by it. Like, I think you guys should embrace it and never disrupt it so that you have those moments once every two years where he talks about this engineering career that he had to sacrifice. And like, think about what's going on in his brain. Because a lot of these emails, the question's kind of like weighing the righteousness and whether or not someone should feel some sort of punishment, right, for doing something like this. Like, hey, I want to set the record straight. I want to be able to challenge this person. I don't want to let this person be able to never have to address any of that stuff. And those are usually far more serious examples. But in this case, I mean, imagine what's dancing around in his fucking brain to just unroll this one every few years that he's still doing it. Yeah, it's like you could say. Well, it's obviously a coping mechanism, though, right? Yeah, right. That's kind of amazing. Your friend group has something no one else has. Everyone's group doesn't have one of these guys. Yeah, that's punishment enough. And you get to be entertained by it. It's interesting. And it's not really hurting anybody. I think you just. I like that. The next time you'd be like, all right, like over or under is on like how many days? I'm like, all right, I'll say 450 days. I'll take the other. It's like Dan had you saying this in March. God damn it. All right. Because do you want to make him feel uncomfortable? Because it's going to be a little weird for him because he'll think like. He probably thinks everybody believes it now. He's been doing it so long. Yeah. Yeah. It's not a lie if you believe it. It's the greatest lie ever. All right. That'll do it for the show today. Thanks to Tom. Thanks to Kevin. Thanks to Kyle, who is just filling out a shirt like you read about in Filling Out Shirt magazine. A little chambray action on our guy here. And our guy, Cerruti, who we hope doesn't get strep throat. Ryan Rosillo Show. Barstool Sports. Chill.