Billie Eilish

(bell ringing) Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of Good Hang. We have an incredible guest today. It is the one, the only Billy Ilish. Billy, so great. Love her and we're gonna talk about so many good things. We are gonna talk about how important it is to laugh. We're gonna talk about intrusive thoughts, what to do with them. We're gonna talk about how much she loves to sing and how lucky we are that she loves to sing, 'cause she's the best voice in the world. We are gonna talk about how she saved an animal that was in her own walls. And we're gonna talk about her new concert film, Hit Me Hard and Soft, coming out this week in theaters. So much to talk about, she's the best Billy. And you know, we always like to do something on the show. We like to speak to someone who knows our guest and wants to speak well behind our guest back. And who do we get? Phineas, of course, Phineas. Her brother, her collaborator, an incredible producer and musician, writer, composer, who probably knows Billy better than anyone. And very nicely speaking to us while he drives his car in LA. So let's get on, let's get on the Zoom with Phineas. Phineas? Hi. (upbeat music) This episode is presented by Hilton. Guys, you know what vacation perfectionism is? It's the pressure to get your family's summer vacation booked and make it perfect and memorable. Stressful, right? Don't worry, 'cause the team at Hilton takes care of what matters so you can exhale and disconnect. They've got over 9,000 hotels around the world, including amazing resorts and all inclusive options. So you'll definitely find this day that you're looking for. When you want your summer vacation, if you like a vacation, it matters where you stay. Book now at hilton.com, Hilton for the stay. ♪ What are you saying? ♪ ♪ I never wanted what's really good, hey ♪ Phineas. Hi, how's it going? Let me pull my car over and then you're gone. Oh my God, this is very LA that you're zooming throughout while you're driving. Yeah. Well, the softball game, the park, the Saturday morning softball game just ended. Okay, cool. I'm pulling over and taking this Waymo's space. Here I go. I'm going to be over to really look you in the eye and focus. I have a question about the Waymo. A lot of people who don't live in California don't experience this Waymo, which is a driverless car. That's right. What do you think happens if you hit a Waymo? What happens? Yeah, I am much more blasey about cutting off a car with no driver than I am about cutting off another human being. I know. Yeah, I don't care. I think it's really interesting that we treat driverless cars like with D'Arijian, like we're like whatever. Don't let the Waymo in. But we kind of love the little shopping cart thing that rolls around. That is adorable. Have you ever been in an LA intersection where the little robot delivery cart meets a Waymo at the same time and they just stand there together? Like they're in love, I assume. I like that. No, I have it. I look forward. That's going to be, that's going to be like, you know, a four leaf clover in a field. That's right. I'm going to put my hair up here for that, for that meek cute, that meek, LA meek cute. Okay, I guess what I wanted to ask you before we get to your question and I know you're literally pulled over on the side of the highway so we won't keep you. But you have made a point of letting us in on your creative process a lot, which I really appreciate as a person who tries to make things. What do you like about letting people in on that? Because some people don't really feel like they don't like to do that. What do you get out of showing people how you make things? I like it because it's become in the music production space more and more popular. I would say that like when I was 13 and I was scouring the internet trying to find the kind of videos that we've made a lot of, I was finding some but not a ton. And man, I find them inspiring. You know what I mean? I see, here comes a fire truck and I'll wait for a beat. I hope it's a way more fire truck and nobody's driving it. Yeah, nobody driving it. I find it so inspiring as a consumer to be like, oh, that's the laptop that I could buy at the Apple store. And that's a micro foot like there's kind of, there's a kind of a magic and mystery in hearing a great song that makes it feel unattainable to me. And I think that when I see somebody break it down, I go like, oh, wow, I could do that. And I think also I'm always rolling my eyes in the music space that people acting like they have some secret saw, a secret ingredient thing. Yeah. And to me, it's like, no, no, there is nothing. It's all just like, I had an idea and here's how it is. And it's probably simpler than you think it is or maybe it's just more tedious or painstaking. So that, I love that quality. I love, and I also think that like it connects people to the project more. Like I'm a DVD behind the scenes commentary of a movie guy. I love learning about the process of making the thing and I think it makes you love something more. Any creator process, like they're all kind of similar. It's like a lot of trying things in real time. And then like a lot of jokes to like get your brain off lines 'cause you can't think anymore, which I can, like I love that you and Billy, when you work together, you do that a lot. You like use comedy to switch yourself out of a rut or out of a mood or something. I've noticed. Yes. Do you say, Where is she cracks me up so much when I make her laugh? Much like your laugh or like Conan's laugh or something like she has a laugh to me that I'm like, "Oh, like that makes me feel so good to make Billy laugh." That's such an eldest child. Oh, Phineas, it's so nice. 'Cause, okay, I'm the oldest, the eldest child, we have it the worst. I'm sorry, it's the hardest. We have a lot of weight on our shoulders and we're also really always trying to get our younger sibling to laugh, feel better. We're like, we feel a lot of obligation. I don't know if it's different for oldest boys, but what do you like and not like about being an oldest child? I guess the only thing I don't like is that on a good day when I feel like I'm really in the pocket, it seems like, "Oh, it must be cool to have an older sibling." That seems cool. - That's what I'm saying. - Like the period of time where I could drive her places and shit like that, I was like, "This is awesome." So that's a kind of a con. Like I wish I had a cool older sister or older brother or something. And then the pro is just having a younger sibling is awesome, you know? - Yeah. - And getting to like roll your eyes with your parents about your younger sibling growing up and like they're being insane. - Being the favorite, that's awesome. You're just gonna like being the favorite. - Oh my God, I know. So you talk about like, you know, liking the idea that your billy's protector and you're also obviously so important in her life and her career and you guys are also doing tremendous things separately. And what I wanted to ask one last question is, how would you describe the way you like to work? - My fantasy is that you get in a place with somebody and the prerec is that you go in there and you already think they're talented. Even if they're not successful yet, they've done something that you're like, "I am attracted to that quality. I think they have an amazing voice or they're a great writer or whatever it is." So you already come in an admirer and then you hang out and you make each other laugh and you have a cup of coffee and you let your guard down and you talk shit about something. And then you're like, "Oh damn." Like we probably only have like 90 minutes before you have that flight back to New York. You wanna try to make something really quick and then you make something in this kind of like, pressures off, expectations have gone away sort of a thing. And then when you're in that process, you get inspired and you get passionate and you get the kind of feeling that we all get of like, "No, no, no, we wanna make this the best it can be." But that it's all inside this kind of, you know, egg shell of like, we're just like, you know, we're just having a blast here. We're just having a great time. And I don't think that you're a failure if you don't make something today and you don't think I'm a loser. - I don't know if you've ever met Mike Sher, who's a showrunner and writer. - I have not met him, but I'm an admirer. I know who you are. - You and Mike remind me of each other a lot. And when I've heard you speak and because it's just basically this idea of like, you can decide that chaos is gonna be the thing that's the agent that creates creativity or you can decide its connection. And sometimes there's a truly eccentric chaotic experience. It's like, holy shit, we made something but for the most part, like if it's chaotic and not connected, it's hard. - And also imagine, I feel like the real pivot for me was like, I was very ambitious as a 19 year old, 20 year old. Mainly because I didn't want the opportunity to go away. I felt like we had this great thing. I didn't wanna lose it. And I was stressed. I was like, oh my God, like, I don't wanna fail. And I think that then we succeeded in a bigger way than I thought we would. And then we've had sort of ups and downs as everybody does. And I was like, oh, okay. So then if I really have no control over whether something succeeds or not, I might as well just have the best time possible making the thing because the couple times in my life that I've been involved in making something that was unpleasant to make. - Yes. - I didn't really care if it succeeded. I was like, that was horrible to work on that. - Yeah. And especially if it failed in whatever metric or capacity, I was like, oh my God, what was the point of all that? That was awful to do and then nobody even liked it. And now I work on stuff and I'm like, well, you can't take away from me that I had this amazing summer. I mean, it's part of the unfair thing about working with Billy for me is I'm like, I'm expected to work with people that I love so much less than my sister. And you're like, when you spend about a year making a record and I'm like, yeah, that's a year I get to hang out with Billy like three days a week and have a wonderful time with her every time. And the idea of like getting in with somebody that's a stranger, it could lead to that. But it's like unlikely that I'm going to love somebody that much, you know. So what do you love about your sister? I love so many things about her. I think she's so earnest and sweet and hardworking. And I think she sees the world through a totally different lens than I do. And then there are things that we feel similarly about and we think the same thing about. I love disagreeing with her about stuff. It would never for no reason. But I love finding out why she feels differently about something. She's so competitive. I love that about her. I love that about her too. I'm not a competitive guy. We lost the softball game. I do not care. Like that is not a problem to me. And if Billy were at the softball game with me, Billy would be sitting here next to me like Kobe when Kobe would lose the championship. Like she is a fighter. And I love that. And that's lucky for me to be on the same team as. And she's an amazing compassionate sort of loving person. She got all that from our mom. She loves animals of all kinds. She's incredibly environmentally conscious. She's learned so many lessons that I think take other people a longer time to learn if they ever do. I agree. So I admire of all those things. Thank you for saying that so well said. And so to our last to let you get back on the road and to honestly take a look at how you could have done better on the field. Because that is important on your right home. What do you have a question? Anything you think Billy would want to talk about or you know, yes, okay, you got one. You got one. Okay, so I think the best way for me to phrase this is to not over explain it to you because I think you learning it from Billy is funnier. Okay. I want you to ask Billy what tomato bisque soup is. And I want you to ask Billy how she lost tomato bisque soup. Fantastic. Perfect. I can't wait to get into it. It's shockingly recent. This is not some thing from 10 years ago. This is like this is fresh. This is Friday. Oh my god. Awesome. Okay, Phenya, thank you so much for your time in doing this. And truly anytime you want to come in here and talk more, I would love it. So be honored. I'm a big fan. Thanks again. Have fun. Thank you so much. You're the best. Talk to you soon. Nice to meet you. Bye. This episode is brought to you by Visible spring is in the air, which means it's time for some spring cleaning. We're decluttering the closets and finally tossing those mystery cords. But while you're cleaning out the junk drawer, take a look at your wireless bill. 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I'm still saying that I'm 5-3 because I feel that it's not true that I've grown an inch, but I did just go to the doctor and they checked my height and I was 5-4. But excuse me. But excuse me. And I've been 5-3 since I was like 12 years old. So I've been telling everybody that I grew an inch. I literally been going around and being like, "Guys, I grew an inch." Do you think though you have good posture or do you think your posture is gotten better? I do. I think my posture is better. And I think my posture is generally good. I do have the iPhone bump. Yes. You know the iPhone bump at the top of the spine. Yes. But other than that. Yes. You probably have like Alexander Technique dancer training and posture stuff. Yes. Yes. Well, but well done. I've actually been working on my posture because it's your posture bad in general. It is pretty bad. It's getting worse. It's getting worse. And it's getting worse. Interesting. I know. Because of this, because of working, because of sitting. No, I think just because, well, maybe because of computers and phones, yeah. But it might just be like age and yeah. So I have to work on it. Okay. So Billy Eilish is here. We're working on our posture. You're a teeny tiny, but you're a giant. You're a giant in every industry. Okay. So I don't know how to not totally praise and tell you. Oh my god. So I'm going to take it slow. Okay. Very, very pump that you're here. I'm such a fan of your work. I am such a fan of how you work. And you've been very generous to us. People who don't know you, but get to experience your art. You've been very generous in like showing us how you work. And I have like really blown away by how you approach your art and your work. Because what I feel for me when I think is true is like you have this thing and a lot of it comes from your family, the way you were raised, like this kind of like the way in which you're family. The people around you like made you like a citizen of the world. But you're not, you don't feel above people. I know. And because of that, it's like you're in it with us. Like this whole thing feels like we're in it together. You're like you're physically in it. Like you're physically in the crowd. You're physically in the room. Like you put yourself in. Sometimes it get nervous for you. And then, but you also because of it, that's why we feel as as fans, we feel so connected to you. And like God. And the other part of you that I love is you're so funny and you love to laugh. The comedy is so important to you. Oh my God. I was literally saying, yes, today I was with my friends and we were talking about how we live to laugh. I just, I literally live to laugh. I said this to my friend because she was talking about relationships and she was like, she was like, well, I just didn't laugh. And then I was like, well, bitch, you live to laugh specifically. And I do too. And so when you're not with somebody who makes you laugh. Anyway, she the rest of the day, she kept me like, I can't get over you saying, live to laugh. Oh my God. I know. It's medicine. It is medicine. Amy, thank you for saying all that stuff. Oh my God. You're so funny. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Also, you're like us as fans. And just you say, man. Are you kidding? I'm such a fan. Wow. Thank you very much. But yes, I feel I feel one with the world and the fans and the, oh, I think like the comedy part is important because it is like, you know, you can do so many things well. And you're in a family of artists who do a lot of things. And you're doing a lot of things. Yes. But the comedy part, if like, I'm curious where that, where I'm curious like what your relationship was to comedy as a little kid and a young person, like your family, like you guys laugh a lot. Oh yeah. And you all have good senses of humor. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, my mom was, was my both of my parents. Gosh, this is amazing. I literally like have never talked about anything in this realm, which I'm loving right now. All right. I mean, my mom was in the groundling. So she is just naturally very funny and very quick and witty and like has so many characters. And so does my dad. My dad is like an incredible face maker. He makes amazing faces and he and I used to have like face making competitions when we were when I was a little kid. And so I would always see them just be funny all the time and all they did was be funny and laugh and all finniest. I mean, finniest, finniest is like truly a comedic genius. Yeah. He is really good jokes. Like really funny. Yeah. And has been forever. I mean, when we were, I was thinking about this today randomly, the way when we were doing meetings with like labels and stuff when I was 14 and he was 18, he was just like cracking jokes for the whole thing and making everybody. Yeah. You know, die laughing. So I don't know what it came from. I love to laugh so much. Well, that's where it came from. I just love to laugh. You start to like know what you see. Yeah. And like the love language at your family was like laughter after. Yes. And a little bit of slight teasing, which to me is a sign of love. So that's literally my, I live, I live for that. I like, there's nothing that's funnier to me than being made fun of and making fun of someone else's greatest thing. To me, it's like how I show someone that I love. And that's how love is shown to me. 100%. And it is just like some families, it's wild. Some families do. I can't even believe that. Some people don't do that. Sometimes I feel like people enter my life and I start to like absolutely just go in on them for whatever thing I'm making fun. And it's like, I realize, oh, you don't do this. So it feels like I'm bullying you. But really, I'm just trying to be-- I'm loving you. I'm loving you. I'm loving you so much. So much. Yeah, John. Oh my god. Also, laughing at yourself is the greatest, one of the greatest joys and-- And it is an insesign of intelligence, but having a sense of humor about yourself, especially when your allies are on you or when you're young, person's super hard. And you yourself is too seriously just the worst quality in the world. It is, but it is the worst quality. But I have empathy for it because usually it comes from-- you know what I saw it a lot at SNL? Because you've got people at their most nervous. Yes. And when people are nervous, whatever is your shadow side comes out. Like, if you get quiet or you get kind of mean to people or you get hectic or-- And when you're nervous, sometimes people just-- they really tense up. They want to take things seriously because they want to do a good job. And you're like, I hate to break it to you. Secret is to be a big dummy and pretend that life is a dream. I know. It's hard. It's hard less. Well, it's like the whole thing that people talk about these days, which is so real, which is like embracing-- being cringe is literally allowing yourself to be happy and free. Like letting yourself be cringy. Or you know, when like a kid hits a certain age, like depending on the kid, like for me, it was like probably 10 or 11 where they start going like, that's weird. Yeah. That's weird. Why did you say that? And you realize that they're suddenly very aware, self-conscious and aware. And then thinking everything is weird and wanting to be cool and wanting to fit in in whatever way. I feel like letting that go is very hard and challenging and trying not to be cool, yes, is so much cooler. I know. But it's like, you have to go through it to get there. And we've all been on both sides. We've been the 10-year-old. It's like, dad, don't pick me up at the mall. Right. Don't come inside the mall. Please don't embarrass me. And it's like sometimes a thing that might be embarrassing is like what brings us the most joy of anything in the world. Like I spent so many years when I started having this career that I wanted to prove the kind of artist that I was. And I wanted people to think of me in a certain way. And I feel like at a certain point, I was just like, this is bringing me no joy at all. Like this is not fulfilling to me in the slightest at all. I mean, I wonder for you at SNL because when I hosted a few years ago, it is so good. Thank you for seeing that. You actually think that. Do you actually think so? Yes. We-- OK, well, there are people that we host and we're like, oh, they did a really high school. Oh, good for them. Oh, good job. They had a lot of fun. [LAUGHTER] But you're genuinely funny. Thank you, God. I mean, it was so scary. But my question to you, though, I mean, and I love SNL, but the vibe was very intense. Yes. And the whole week leading up, I was like, why is nobody laughing at all? Because I was like, isn't this show about laughing? But it's so serious. And I think everyone is like, wants to keep their job at the same time. Yeah, that show is like-- It's some serious-- A lot of people auditioning to keep their job. Oh, yeah. And it's like an emergency room. Sometimes the emergency room days are like fun. And you're goofing around. And other days, you're just like, oh, everybody's scrambling around. And I'm like, like, you're-- It's intense. It's an emergency room. I mean, it's just fun as an emergency room. It's fun. Yeah. It's fun. Wait. But you-- you're a huge fan of comedy. And you've talked about this a million times. But you have watched the office. Girl, how many times for real? Because it says 30 times. It's over that now. So-- What? Well, because I don't ever stop. And I never would-- You just haven't on a little-- Well, when you asked earlier, I meant to say to your question about humor and grow-- How did you-- you know, a big part of that was the office. I mean, I started watching the office when I was like 11 or 12. And-- And that's essentially my cringe. Because you're-- I mean, the-- like, Gen Z-- their relationship to cringe has been really interesting to watch. They were really afraid of it. Then shows embrace it. Like, their favorite comedy is embraced it. And they almost got to experience it vicariously through someone else. Like, I mean, Michael Scott is the ultimate cringe journey. Yes. 100%. He's like, oh my god. You're dying for him. And then by then, you're like, or he's like Buddha? Literally. Or he's-- Teaching him how to live. Literally. Like, the most tender-- I mean, that's what I think is so genius about the whole show. And Michael Scott as a whole is that he is so awful. But he's so undeniably-- you can't help but love him and feel for him. And see yourself in him weirdly. And like, kind of aspire to be-- As inspired as open book as him at the end of the day. I think that the amount of times at this point-- I mean, I said 30, probably like four years ago. So-- Wow. I probably rewatched the whole series like three or four times a year. Sorry. It's up-- if not more. Sorry. So Jenna took a little out of all the other day and added up the hours of what that is. Oh god. Oh. Do you know that it's like 92 days straight? No. No. I guess my question to you is, like, have you tried Parks and Rec? And-- I love Parks. Oh, five. I love Parks and Rec. And Parks and Rec. I want to check it out. I'd love for you to check it out. I'm shows of all time. Get that out of here. That would love for you to check it out. Be. Be. [LAUGHTER] You in Parks and Rec is one of the greatest performances in history and everybody knows it. And that is one of my top five shows. So moving on. But I feel you-- getting back to the office and just that I-- OK. Also, I would say that the idea that TV shows are like a comfort and a way to self-soothe is really, really-- I really, really-- I think a lot of people are really especially comedy because there's something about the way in which there's a tiny bit of conflict. People aren't supposed to get along. Yeah. They figure it out. They go on with their day. Everybody's OK. And then if you re-watch it and re-watch it, you know how it's going to-- Dude. Yes. 100%. This is my exact experience. Exactly what you were saying. Because I have-- Is it self-soothing? 100%. It's a self-soothing knowing the end, knowing xiety thing. Yes. It's like-- Yeah, because I have trouble watching movies that are-- I have trouble watching-- doing anything that's new. Watching entertainment that is new? Yes. Because I feel like it's like an ADHD. I just-- all I do is re-watch the same movie, the same show, the same meal. Listen to the same song over and over. In a way that's like-- Like, it's like a little bit-- Well, it depends on how you frame it, right? If someone else was there, they're like-- You know, but I want them alone. Obviously, it's the most amazing thing in the world. What TV show did you watch the episode of "What Movie?" Do you watch "Over and Over?" What meal do you eat over and over? Amazing questions. The office over and over-- Yeah. New girl over and over. Oh my god. Movie-- Like, Ferris Bueller's Day Off. I've seen an unbelievable amount of times. Over the hedge. I have seen so many times. Wait, over the hedge. Over the hedge. Steve Curl plays a squirrel. Oh, it's an animated movie. Yeah, it's an animated movie. Okay, okay. It's unbelievably amazing. I have four so many people to watch it. Spirit-- unbelievable film. Have seen it so many times. What is it so many times? Animated. It's an animated-- Oh, Spirit, the horse movie. Yes, the horse girl. I am a horse girl. And you prove my theory. Jennifer Lawrence was in here. She's a horse girl. Yes, I know this. Horse girls have beautiful hair. I did say that. And you get great hair. You always have and horses-- Your part horse. Also, it was the year of the horse. Born the year of the horse. And this is the year of the horse. That's true. Only in the year of the fire horse. We find a horse. The fire horse. You have beautiful hair too. Thank you. So you like horses? I don't have beautiful hair. Thank you, though. I don't like horses. They scare the shit out of me. I love them. Have you ridden them? I reluctantly have ridden them. I rode one recently with my son and Iceland a couple years ago. I was like, you know what? I'm going to ride. Yeah, I'm going to like-- and the whole time was like, I cannot wait to get off. To get off. It hurt so bad. It hurts. Physically? Yeah, I've heard my-- Yeah, the who's in the haze. It does hurt my inner leg upper butt-- front butt region. Front butt. Dude. It hurt. Well, like anything, you get used to that. That's true. And then you're champion. OK, you have had the phrase youngest used on you constantly, the youngest to reach 100 million Spotify streams, youngest winner album of the year, record of the year, youngest person ever to win two Academy Awards in any category. Oh my god. - Is it kind of nice to reach your 20s and be a little bit away from that kind of young wonder kindie vibe? - Dude. - Did you do any memes in English? - Yeah, I do. (laughing) - I mean, you're still very young, but you're also not. - Well, I guess I never thought that I would ever not be a teenager. - It's not like I like, I don't know. I just was like, this will be me forever. There's no other, you know, I remember when I was like 17, I was like, okay, and I am the person I will be forever right now. - Yes. - And it's just not how it works, obviously. And I am so excited to age, and I'm so excited for my face to age, and my body to age, and not change it, you know, and I want my kids to look at me and have my face look like their face, and not me some botched version of whatever the fuck is going on out there right now. You know what I'm saying? So anyways. - Yes. - When it's really wild about you being like, when I was 17, I thought I was a person I was, we knew you at 17. We like saw you get a cake from your 17. - Right. - In the dock, you know, like happy 17th birthday. - Oh my god, yeah. - You're right. - And so you not only are you figuring yourself out, but everybody's watching you figure it out. - Mm-hmm. - And there's, you know, I'm saying the obvious, but we all go through versions of ourselves privately. You went to go through versions of yourself publicly, and you also had to whatever change you decided to make that day affected a bunch of people. It's not like you're like, I'm gonna come out here now and everyone's like, yeah, we gotta change the posters. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, we're like, it becomes a thing where you, you, like trying new versions of yourself, everybody else weighs in on that, or has something how, because for minute one Billy, from when I saw you to now, there was some kind of inner governor of voice that you would, it felt like check in with to make decisions. - Mm-hmm. - Who is that? Where is that? Where does that come from? Is that true? Is that how you make decisions? Do you go to your gut first? How do you make decisions? - Wow, these are amazing questions. - Oh my god, thank you. - You are absolutely, - Oh my god. - Eating it up right now. (laughing) - Wow. I feel like it is a gut thing. Like I think that weirdly, as much as it was a strain on my youth becoming famous at 14, 13, 14, 15, I weirdly do think that I had that element of teenage carelessness. - Yeah. - Right. - I was self-conscious and very, you know, trying to be cool. I also was myself in a way that I look back on and I'm like, so grateful that I was that way. And I think that weirdly, I'm glad that it happened when I was so young because, and I think that it is attributed also, I have to say to just the person that I've always been since I was a little kid, just very strong-willed and very, very bossy, extremely bossy and very needing things to go my way and also being very honest and blunt, I guess. And so I think when I started doing the interviews or being asked any kind of a question, I was just very, very honest. And I also, I did PR training when I was 14 and I sobbed through it. I hated it so much. It was literally like the scariest shit of all time. What made it so scary? I was just like- - I made you sob. I, first of all, the woman who did it to me was like, I would, she know, she would ask me a question 'cause this is how PR training works. Okay, I should know this. Did you do PR training? - No, I'm not. - Well, I only did one session and it was like under an hour and I sobbed and I left and I did not follow any of the rules after that. - Yeah. - But basically, they'll tell you what you should say or the kind of direction you should go and then they'll ask you the question, pretending you're in an interview. And so I would start answering the way I would wanna answer and she would kind of cut me off and be like, "No, no, you need to start saying this or no, you should be saying this. "Don't say that, don't give them that." And it was important for me to learn and I'm glad I learned it. But similar to learning to drive safely, it's good to know how to drive safely so that you can use your, so that then you can, this is really a bad analogy, but so then you can bend the rules according to safety. - Yeah, no, I hear you. - Safety, but like you know what is safe and good and right, but then I'm gonna go be precise about, you know what I'm saying? I don't know. - I don't know. - I mean, absolutely. It's like figuring out your own boundaries, like figuring out within those boundaries how to play. - Yes. - Authenticity is like major for you. - Yeah, it's like what you're looking for. It's what you wanna put out into the world. And like you feel it and you just kinda can't fake it. - I know. - And it's probably a little painful when you're not being authentic. - I hate it. - Yeah. - And I think when things get more mainstream and then more people who aren't your fans are looking at you and hearing it, it becomes like scary. I mean, I feel like sad thinking back, not even thinking back, just thinking about how I've definitely like 80, 75% come down on my, not honesty, but my sharing of myself. I used to be literally like 99% complete, like oversharing with the entire world. - Yeah. - Which I loved, 'cause I also, I am a fan and I've always been a fan. Like my, I'm a horse girl and I am a fan girl and I always have been. And these are like, - And you're a believer. - I was a believer. - And you let everyone into that like tender place like, - But I did it specifically because I knew that as a fan, I wanted my favorite artists to do that. - Totally. - I wanted to be a witness and honesty. - And I do that. You make people feel that way. I mean, the orics make people feel so seen, Billy. Like so, like there's a reason why, - Okay, I'm gonna praise you again. Like when, when we're, when I go to your show, I went to your show and like, and like everyone's singing, you know, you know, you make me hate this city. Like, you know, and everybody's like, those, like those, let's take that song. Let's take, let's take that song. (laughing) - Okay, okay. - Hold on, I'm gonna sing the entire song to you. - Let's go. - Okay, but that moment, oh my god, this is not, okay, I have to break some news. This is not my laptop. I forgot my laptop today. This is Sam's laptop and I'm completely stressed out. Okay, and for those people watching this laptop is bigger than my usual laptop. And they probably already noticed that. And don't write in no comments about laptop. Okay, I'm so old, I gotta read it. Okay, okay, but when you said, (laughing) okay, when you were like, when you say, 'cause I'd never treat me this shitty, you made me hate this city. I don't talk shit about you on the internet. When you're singing it, when you're singing it, and I'm singing it, you're, making, you're being, like you're speaking plainly, I guess is the way to say it. You're not hiding behind some like objects or metaphors. And that authenticity, it's like a direct hit between the audience and you. Like your lyrics are so fucking great. I guess my question is, I guess I have to give you a question. How do you write lyrics? Oh gosh, some terrible question. Forget it. Let's sing it more. Okay. 'Cause that shit's embarrassing. I mean, that shit's embarrassing. It is, bitch. (laughing) It is. It really is. That shit's embarrassing. You were my everything. Like, it's so real. Everybody felt that, feels that. Thank you. With your lyrics. But I'm genuinely curious. Like, do you write a lyric and then you go, that's too, I feel the way about dialogue sometimes. I'll write something and be like, nobody talks like that. Right, right. Like nobody's gonna say that. I mean, dialogue to me is really impressive to write. Like I don't understand how you do that. That, that to me, I can't like fathom writing a script at all. Yeah, I don't know why. I think I just, I have a similar feeling to like how people talk to me who, you know, have never made musical or are musical at all. Where they're like, how do you possibly do that? Like I can't begin to fathom how to write dialogue. Right. So, but I've watched you write lyrics and you've let us watch you write it. And it feels like you're doing a similar thing, which is like, it's like you try on a lyric and you're like, is that real? Like you're asking yourself, is that a real thing? Even though it's not always about a real thing. It's just like, does that lyric feel right in my head? Like singing it. out loud. Well, so my answer to this is interesting because I don't like writing music. I've heard you say this many times. I have grown to like it so much more over the years and honestly, like growing up and becoming an adult and not worrying about being cool. Yeah. Really has helped me write music because a big part of making anything and especially music is allowing it to be bad before it's good. It's like so many things. It's like literally anything and I think like it's so hard when you want to be good at something and especially when you have the pressure of people seeing it and you're like, well, it has to be good. So I can't even, I can't let this be bad for even one second. It'll stop you from doing it at all. So my love is singing. Singing is like my true, true soulmate. Singing is the thing that I love more than anything in the world and having songs that I have written to sing is the goal. That's what I love about writing music. And also when I am, because I write everything with my brother and I write alone every now and then but it doesn't bring me joy when I write it alone. And also I'm too critical and I'm like, it's just frustrating for me. And when I work with my brother, like I was saying to somebody, you know, because somebody said like, are you making an album right now because you want to make a new album or because you're required in your contract too? And I was like, I've never thought about that once. And I feel that I'm lucky to feel that way because I don't care if it's because I have to. It's actually like any excuse to hang out with my brother, I'll take. Come on. And we get to make music that we both love. And I think that what's interesting about not loving the process of writing music is I love the outcome so much. I love my music more than any other music. And I think that that I think that people hear that and think like, what the heck? Like, you're listening to your own music. And it's like, well, yeah, that's why I make it. It's like, it's like similar to like I make my own perfume because I really like the smell of it and I want to wear it. You know, so I make music to listen to it, to enjoy it and to sing it. It's my favorite thing in the world. You're so good at singing. Thank you. It's so good that you like the thing that you're so good at. Thank God. I know kidding. I like to ask singers this. We had Haley. Whatever friends we text. Whatever we're friends we text. Not really. I feel about her too. Oh, really cool. And totally not. Don't make a big deal out of it. But I asked her this and I like to ask what like your first relationship to your voice? Like, when you were like, I like my voice. Do you remember? You must have been the tiny one because you were singing at a very young age and you were encouraged to sing a lot. But that thing when you sing and you think like whatever's coming out is kind of good. Yeah, it's good. Do you remember a feeling of that? Well, it's so interesting because I have been singing for my entire life. There was never a beginning. It was just I was singing and singing and singing and I grew up in a very musical household. piano always being played guitar being played. You know, my mom was a songwriter and you know, Phineas started writing songs before I did. He was older than me. And so there was always music around. And so I was very encouraged to sing. I think, you know, I was homeschooled. But in the homeschool community, there's like, you know, DIY talent shows type stuff. There's like homeschool talent shows. And it was the only thing I looked for. I literally, all I wanted to do was be on a stage singing. Or dancing. It was like a little baby Coachella that you were getting. Yes. Yeah. And the first song I sang was tomorrow from Annie, of course. And I think I was like, eight or wait, no, six, I think I was six. And that, right? I don't know. I have a hard time with numbers, ages. But that I remember like that. I don't even think I did. But I loved it so much. Yeah. And the feeling of the crowd cheering was just the greatest thing. But I think my relationship to my voice, like I, this is going to sound weird. And I hope it doesn't sound like, pick me because I really mean it. No more cringets over. No more picking. No more cringey. No more. Yeah. You're right. But I never like I didn't think of myself as a singer. I just loved to sing. And then I remember like when I was about 11, like Phineas would, you know, be with his friends and sometimes be like, well, my sister, my little sister has a really good voice. And I'd be like, what? And then he'd be like, Billy sing the beginning of baby by Justin Bieber. And I would like be like, I would be like, well, and his friends would be like, oh, you know, well, and I remember like doing it once and like messing it up. And I was like, yeah, so upset. Because really, I wanted to be a dancer. That was like my thing. I know. And that's it. It would like make me sing at like the dance sleepover. Like they'd be like, Billy go up and sing. And I was too embarrassed. But then I would. That, I mean, that's like the, you're like the athlete that like played basketball. And then like was like, I think I also like baseball and you're like, win the world series. You're such a good dancer. I was barely a good dancer. I was like, love dancing so much. What was your thing? Where you ballet? I started dancing because I loved tap dancing. Oh, come on, Billy. So I was a taper. What? Yeah, I was a taper. And then once I started getting into tap, I was like, oh, I like this. And then I started doing hip hop. And I loved hip hop. And then I would do contemporary. So those are my top three. And then because I fell in love with dance, I was like, well, now I have to do ballet to be part of the other stuff because it was required. And then jazz and then lyrical. And have you ever had a, like a thing of like maybe I'll dance when I sing right when I started getting good. I got a horrible injury. And then I was not allowed to dance. And I never danced ever again. Except I started dancing recently again. I mean, like a, I mean, like a class every now and then. That's cool. That's very cool. What did you injure? If you have my injury. My hip, but basically that took me out. Whoa, that's so intense and so interesting, like how life, like so that opens the door to the thing that you love doing anyway. Right. Well, dude, what's crazy about the timing of it is that I started getting really serious with dance when I was 12. No, 13. And I like, I dyed my hair platinum white that year. And then Phineas was like, dude, should we make a soundcloud page for fun and like maybe make some songs and put them out for fun, like for our friends to play or whatever. And so at the same time as I was getting really serious about dance, we had this idea. We recorded like some little stupid songs. And then my one of my dance teachers, Fred Diaz said, and I've told this story before, but literally like the older I get the more insane it is. He, he was like, Billy, stay behind after class one day. And he was like, can you and Phineas make a song so that I can choreograph a dance to it and we can do it for the recital next year? And I was so excited and I thought, you know what? Phineas just wrote a song that I think is called ocean eyes. Maybe it could be that one. I'd go home and like Phineas Fred wants us to make a song. Let's make it as like danceable as possible. We went home. We recorded ocean eyes, which he had written for his band. And he said it didn't feel right. And he wanted me to sing it anyway. So we were already kind of going to do that. Anyway, we went to put it on SoundCloud. It had a free download link up. Anyone could download it for free. And we only put it on SoundCloud to send an easier link to the dance teacher. And so we did. And then like that week I was getting ready for competition. And then a week later, Phineas called me and he was like, Billy Ocean eyes has a thousand streams, a thousand. And we were cheering and we were screaming. And I was like, this is the most amazing thing that's ever happened to me. This is all I could ever dream of. A couple of weeks go by. It starts getting bigger and bigger. Like Fred starts choreographing a dance to it. Competition is the next week. Things are getting bigger. It's like, hilly dilly is posting it. And like, you know, new music Friday or whatever. And like all these new, these new outlets. And we were getting reached out to by these labels and stuff. And then it's the last rehearsal before my first dance competition of the season. I have a solo in each combo. I was so excited. We were done with rehearsal. We were about to leave. And our teacher was like, wait, let's do one more. No, just to film it. And so we did one more. And we filmed it. And in the middle of my little twerk literally 12 years old. I'm like, my hip is like, and I got injured. And then I was poof. Lant on the floor couldn't walk, couldn't dance definitely couldn't do anything. And was was basically like bedridden for at least a week. And then I was on crutches. And I literally never danced again. - You missed the whole competition. - Every single competition I didn't get to do one. - Billy, I have chills right now. (laughing) - You got it. - But then that week I went to all these meetings in my crutches. - Yes. - I met with inner scope. I met with all these different booking agents. I had my crutches. I was like, and I was so sad. - I'm getting really bad at this competition. - Oh my God. I mean, there's people listening to this right now who are gonna be like having just missed something that they think is the biggest thing in their life. - The biggest thing in their life. - It's pretty wild. They're gonna be like, I have chills too. - That's so, that is what I've changed. It's my own story. The universe decided at that, like sliding doors moment of like, we're gonna stop. We're gonna interrupt this program. And there's no deeper, like sadness of then thinking, I'm not gonna get to do the thing that's right in front of me that I'm supposed to do. And then like this little, hey over here, kind of thing happening. - Well, when you think something is ruining your life, and it's really actually saving your life. - Yes. And I like that you're dancing again, because there must be a little bit of trauma honestly around all of it. So like you're just, you're coming back as an adult going back and being like, "Oh, maybe I can do this again." - Right. - Like a version that feels good to me, like where I can revisit it. - Yeah, it's been really nice. - Yeah. - And it's so non-pressure, you know, it's just, it's just like, you need you to compete. (laughing) - Because we need you to do that. We need you to finish that routine. - Okay, you're right. - I mean, that would be the movie is like, you go back out there to the competitions. - To encore in Las Vegas with all the other teenagers. - And I mean, I know we all, like, all of our stuff comes from our family, but it is all of our stuff comes from our family. And I imagine in that moment, I'm like really feeling for your mom in that moment, right? Like she's got the saddest kid. - Mm-hmm. - And you're both your parents. - Oh my God, yeah. - Like the saddest Billy who's missed this. - Broken hearted little. - And in pain. - Mm-hmm. - And then also your brother being like, hey, let's do this, sister. And then it catching on. And watching your family dynamic, and again, I don't know, but having the privilege of getting to see you and rack each other, I feel like the way in which you all kind of support those moments, like the big moments and the low moments. Like that's very special. - I know. - Very special. - It's really special and I feel so in hindsight and present day, so grateful for that. 'Cause I think I didn't, I didn't even realize what I had because I already had it. And so I didn't know there could be another option. And I think that seeing, you know, some other people who maybe didn't have that support, having to go through all of this stuff alone, is really, I just really feel for them. And I feel like, thank God I had my mom, thank God I had my brother, especially, thank God I had my dad and the home that I grew up in, you know, and like my dog, you know, these are all things that really-- - I like that you bring up your dog a lot. - I love dogs. - Do you still have your dog? - She passed away a couple years ago, but she was old as all fucking hell. She was so old, God damn it. Her legs were, it was like this kind of situation. - What was her name and tell us about your dog? - Her name was Pepper. And she lived to like 16. She was old as shit, I'm telling you. She was a mutt. She looked just like piti from the little rascals, which I loved. I loved the little rascals as a kid. She had like, she was a pit bull mix and she had like a circle around her eye. If I didn't have, you know, a dog with reactive issues, I would literally have 17 dogs. Like I have a dog, he's the sweetest boy in the whole wide world. His name is Shark. - He's the sweetest boy. He loves people. He loves his dog friends. He just has, he has a lot of reactive issues. - Yeah. - And he has since, I mean, I had him since he was five weeks old. So it's interesting like I always thought, you know, a dog is the way they are because of how they were raised. And to an extent that is true. - Yeah. - They're like people also. And we are the way we are, no matter what anybody does. And he just has like, he's just really anxious. He's very, very anxious. And when he sees a dog that he doesn't know, he sees it as a threat or something. But, you know, if I introduce him in the right way into other dogs, then it's all perfect and good. - But of course, like, of course you would be a person that would be able to handle something like this. - Yes. - And understand that. - Oh my God, yeah. But I think the difference is like, he's a big gray pit bull mix. And so the difference in having a reactive bigger, stronger, more marginalized breed when they have anxiety and reactive behavioral issues is there's so much more of a stigma against them. And people already like the stigma against the bully breed and everything within there is so messed up. It's like, you know, someone can have like a little tiny Chihuahua. I love Chihuahua as I love all dogs, but like someone might have like a little dog who's like literally biting everyone. And like, and it's like, and it just kills me. Like, my reactive dog owners out there. - Yeah. - You are seen, you are loved. It's a lot of work, but I have like also, also you know, I think it's like, I have such a love for animals. It makes sense to me that you're an empathetic, creative, open-hearted person living in a family that tries to be that way too, that you're trying to pay attention to that too. - Also, if I may, and I'm sure you get this projected on you a lot, but the specialness of your relationship with you and Phineas, like it's, it's like, it's really delicious. Because it's kind of like every, it's like watching a healthy, it's like watching healthy siblings and watching, like just a man support a woman. Like that just even that, like, forget them being related, just like a very, very talented self-possessed, I know. Self-actualized man, being very happy for a woman's success is already just like we're all like really hungry for it. - I know. - Like, and just like speaking nicely about women, we're all just like looking for it. And then the way that you guys speak about each other. - Yeah, it's truly a magical gift that I've been given by who knows what, you know, my parents. - Yeah. - Something else. - But you guys work a little differently. - We do it hard. - When you're working differently, do you argue? - We argue, but it's very, it's not like real argue. It's not, I like don't know how to put it. I think we go through periods of, you know, being not on the same wavelength. Like we're in different periods of our lives. And that's when we can kind of butt heads a little bit. But even then, I mean, like we got into like a nothing, like something that was so didn't need to be an argument. And like literally we sat there and I said, "Can we go make music now?" And he's like, yeah. And we went downstairs and we made a song and it was, we were laughing and giggling and talking. And I was just thinking that day, I was like, it is truly amazing that we can do that. - And it's amazing that, you know, and I know all siblings have different relationships and that's a rare thing to have with a person, especially like a sibling and you work with them. But it is kind of the blessing of working with your sibling because you can't break up with your sibling. It's not like, yes. This is true, but I guess I mean like the arguing, it's like you can say something so hurtful. - Yes. - Especially like a little sister. I can say something insane to Vinniez. - You have. - And I have, sure have. - And also it's like sometimes I bet the challenge is to make sure you're not too rough on each other. - Yep, for sure. - Because the more familiar you are, the more amazing you're checking. - Thinking about amazing scene in your doc, in the kitchen where Vinniez is like, I think we should just finish the record and you're like, the record is bad. This sucks. And your mom is like, four. - Right. - I think you can learn from each other. You know, like perfect mom, like I think Vinniez has something that you need to believe in. - I know, it's her heart. - Yeah, and your dad is like, I'm gonna go outside and fix the car. And you're all representing the voices in like a creative process. - Yeah. - Yes, but you're all representing that. And you're all those things at once. And you would probably not say to someone you were working with like, that was bad that sucks. - Yeah. - It's not good, it's lame. - Yeah. - Or like anything that I say to him. It's like we can literally jump all of the like, - Yes. - politeness. You know, we don't have to be like saving feelings. - Yes. - And I can literally just be like, God, that's stupid. You know, that's such a stupid idea. And he's like, well, fuck you. You know, it's like, it just works like that. And I feel like I'm also just, you know, in another life, the life that we didn't have this happened to us, I would have maybe gone to college and moved away, or moved away in general. And what would, you know, I talk to friends or see online like people talking about how like, they don't live with their sibling anymore and they don't get to see their sibling. And it's like you live completely different lives. And I just feel like so grateful that I get to live a life where my brother is a constant part of my life. - Yeah. - And that I don't have, have to live in a different state than my brother. And that I don't have to like never see him and not have, you know, and I think that's usually how it goes. And I just, I feel really lucky in that way. And like you said, his, he is like just, aside from how talented and incredible he is and how he's like my best friend, he's loves me so much. - I know. - And the, he's just the greatest, brother in the world and the way that he has looked out for me. - He's a big time protector. - So he wanted me to ask you a question. - He did? - Yeah. And I feel like it's a, it's a fake, I feel like it's a funny story. - It's a fake question. - Okay. What is tomato bisque soup? And how did you lose it? - Wow. - Okay. - Wow. - That's great. - Well, you know, all right, I'll tell you. - I'll tell you exactly the answer. - I, okay, how far do I go? (laughing) - I actually haven't talked about this. I was thinking, - Oh my god, these last night, how I haven't nobody knows this is happening. - It's cute. - It's very, very sweet. - Okay, it's an innocent sweet thing. - For my birthday, I was given a little hamster. - Oh. (laughing) - And she was a rescue from a house, a hoarder house that had 60 loose, free roaming hamsters everywhere, being just in shit and like in stuff. And she was rescued. - I was rescued from the lottery. - And she is so cute. - What's her name? - Her name is tomato bisque soup. (laughing) - And we, (laughing) - This story's taking a turn. (laughing) - So tomato, as we call her, she's a little dwarf hamster. She's literally this fucking big. She is so goddamn cute. You wouldn't even believe it. - But she used to be in on the street. She used to run around. - She is. - She used to be on the street. - Yeah, free roaming. - She's free. - She's wild, not wild, but like living her life in her condition of tough. - Yeah. - Sorry. (laughing) I got her on my birthday, which was December 18th, and I got her, I must have spent lots of money on random shit. I got her little, 'cause they have to have enrichment, so they have a wheel and they have to have different levels. - Sure, yeah. - So I was like, - And I do it all myself. I'll show you. I will literally show you. Her house is in, she lives in a fucking mansion, which, she her house is so big. It's like literally, her house is like this big and this tall. - Nice. - And it's wooden. But so there's these little vents in the top corners of the house that are like this big. They're whole so they can breathe. - Even I know that hamsters can get through those holes. - It was a hamster house. - Yeah, it was big. - It was full of hamsters. - You're right, you'd think that they would know that. - Well, and also it's up high, right? So they can't even, they can't climb up the wall. - We have a very amazing. - We have a very amazing, so tomatoes wild, little freaky self. So it's like a month since I've had her. (laughs) I get home from a trip. I went on a little trip and I had put her seeds out and they're also nocturnal, so you usually don't see them in the day. - Oh. - And also they like to burrow. So like sometimes I wouldn't see her. She's like barely, you can't really, you're not always seeing her when she is there. But she loves pumpkin seeds so much, like little papitas. She loves them so much. And so I know that she's very happy if I put her pumpkin seeds and she immediately comes out. So before I had left, I put out some pumpkin seeds and then I came home many days later and the pumpkin seeds were still there. God dammit. - Dammit. - And I thought, you know what? - And you pulled back a little cover and she had made a little dummy, like welcome to Aca Tras. (laughs) - She had a scar on her face. - She was on the other day. - It was like in a shot, and she ate a little thing, but I was dirt and she pulled it to the side. She made a little something. - I pictured, I just thought like, oh, she's dug herself into a cute little tunnel. She's sleeping. Four days have gone by since the last sight of her. So anyway, one day, oh no. I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna look for her because I wanna make sure she's there, obviously she's there, but I'm just gonna make sure. So I fucking go. Where I keep her house is in my closet on this shelf that's like five feet up. And I take all of her houses out of her house. I take all of, there's these things called sprays, which are these like long plants that they had thrown Richmond. And I take them all out and I'm not a sign of her. There's no sign of her. And I'm like, oh, what's going on? But I'm like, okay, but I still have to like dig through the bedding 'cause she likes to crawl into the paper bedding. And I'm like starting to like worry a little, but then I'm like, am I gonna find a little body? And that was really freaking me out. But I'm like, I'm not, it's fine. She's gonna be in here, she's sleeping, whatever. And so I take everything out, it's only her bedding left over. And I'm literally like, it's like looking through a lake for a dead body. I was like literally like doing like one of these. Like fingers through everything. I take everything out and she's nowhere to be seen. Oh no! Oh my God. The bitch has literally vanished into the air. And your VCR was missing. Right, right, right. The night that she was gone, I'm like texting all my friends, like she's gone, RIP, love her so much. What the hell? One month of a having a hamster and I already lost her into the walls, like what the hell? Yeah. And she could have gone anywhere, like truly anywhere. And I'm like, just as a Hail Mary, there's no way this is gonna work. But I'm gonna put her wheel on the ground and I'm gonna put her favorite seeds on the wheel and I'm gonna put her little mushroom house on the ground and I'm gonna put her bedding in it and I'm gonna put her seeds in it and like maybe a miracle will happen and she'll appear. She'll reappear. Of course I don't think this is actually gonna happen. I go to sleep. Oh my God. I'm like looking at videos of her. And we wake up, we're talking about like, this is so sad. How did we do this? How could we do this? We failed her. We are horrible people. We lay in bed for an hour talking about, I can't believe we've done this. And I'm like, I'm gonna go get dressed. Also like, let's go check on the sad little seeds we left out. Right. I go into my closet, the fucking seeds are gone. Gone. Dang. And her bedding has been pulled out of her house that she, and that's, I know that that's like a thing she does. She pulls out her bedding. Her seeds are gone. And I'm like, dude, her seeds are fucking gone. Is she here? And I take some more seeds and I go, tomato. And I have a voice that she always comes out to. I go, tomato, excuse me. Excuse me, tomato. And I hear, no. In the fucking wall, it has been four days that she has been missing. I hear this. And I take the seeds and I like, lay them all. And I literally keep hearing like, she fucking crawls out of the wall. I have literally chills. She crawls out of the wall and crawls right into my hand. And she's eating the seeds and she's like, well, I just want to go out, bitch. Hey, hey, hey, she's wearing a little seed. She's wearing a little seed. I've been living in the walls of the closet for four days with no food and no water. Waiting for me to fucking look for her and find her. Can you believe the story? She's incredible. She's amazing. So since then, I have gotten her a much bigger house with very thin-- I don't think she needs to be-- I don't think she needs to be congratulated for escape. [LAUGHTER] This is-- This is my-- Thank you supporting, bad behavior. Yeah, I know. You're right. She gets a bigger house. She got a bigger house. I felt bad. I felt like, oh, no, did you not like living in a small house? Now she's so happy. She literally, like, her life is amazing. Really quick. And then I'll show it up as I take a picture of this forever. Look at her house. Her house is insane. I just cleaned it up. Yes, too. That is my worst nightmare is that I get a rodent and it goes into the walls. So-- OK, here is Tomatoes Giant Manchin House. So if you look, here's-- So she has different levels. She has her little tunnel where she's in the world going on. Listeners, it's like there's a-- there's like-- it looks like a aquarium, but with outdoor seating. Oh, there's almost like a fire pit, like if she had guests over. Yeah. Because I give her a different bedding, so should this-- It's really nice. It's really nice. Really nice texture. Right. Yeah. And then it looks like a beautiful LA. She's spa. I mean, it is. Here's her on her wheel. Wait. Oh, she's really cute. She's so freaking cute. And then there's me-- She's so-- I bonked my knee. You could actually hear it happening. She's running really fast. Look at all nice. [SCREAMS] [LAUGHTER] And then here's the news is what happened to my knee. So there's the news is answered. That's finished this question. I'm glad he asked. There we go. A incredible story. And scene. And scene, OK, we're going to finish with the lightning round. Finish. Wait, but by the-- so much to talk about. There's so much to talk about. OK, but we're going to get into the lightning round. OK, go. Here we go. So just quick thoughts on these things, tarantulas. (gasps) Yes, yes. Are you afraid of spiders? I mean, I'm not afraid, but you know. But it's a spider. It's okay, you know, I'm down, but I don't wanna touch it or anything, but I'm glad you like it. Uh-huh. Horses, we talked about love, survivor, the show survivor. Yes, the show survivor. Is that what I want? They have my own really high look shot. (laughs) Just for nothing. They gave the immunity idol after you? It's a Billy Eilish idol. So basically like I wrote a letter to the contestants being like, here's your secret idol. If you use this idol, you can, you know. It's like, you know, how do you see and survive? You know what they have? What do you love about survivor? Um, I love imagining that I could one day do it. Yeah. But I am so bad with like, like the math part of the problems are the things that I couldn't do. Like I could do this, I feel that I could do the physical stuff. I mean, I say that, which-- Sure. Who knows, 'cause it's so hard, swimming. But like when they have to like solve it, you know. I wouldn't be good at like, when people like, I have a little bit of like defiance disorder. So if they were like, you have to do, too, I'd be like, I don't have to do anything. (laughs) I quit, I quit. Yeah, I have the same thing. I quit. Okay, music you're listening to right now. Honestly, I've been listening to Kate Bush this week. It's me. I'm good. Well, that just, I just love the spooky whimsical of it all. Isn't she incredible? She's amazing. I like, didn't even know she was so amazing. I mean, army dreamers is so good, so good. And her heights, oh my god. Have you heard the Peter Gabriel, the song she sang with Peter Gabriel? Don't give up. No, how did it go? Hold on. I'm sure you've heard it. ♪ Don't give up, you're the reason ♪ Do you think they were fucking? I hope so. God, I hope so. I just feel like this shoot where they're in a hug the entire assault. God, I hope so. That's amazing. Isn't it so good? Wow. Yeah, I know. I did not know Kate Bush was like that. Yeah. Amazing. Okay, we're gonna finish with two things. You have a big movie coming out and it is. I forgot. That's what you're talking about. It's a concert movie. Yes, so it's a concert film mainly. There's like some behind the scenes, doc type stuff. But specifically, it is the show, the Hit Me Hard and Soft tour filmed in 3D, which is fucking awesome. And really incredible tour. Really cool. Thank you. I agree. I loved it so much. I just, I, A, I had the best time and B, it's like the best show I've ever made. It was so good. I just, I felt, I felt proud to call that my show every single night that I did it. And I, I mourn the end of that tour and I'm excited for the next tour, but I am also like so, so grateful that we have it filmed forever. Like I will be able to watch it whenever I want. Forever in 3D, feel like I'm there. And same goes for everyone who watches it, you know? People who didn't get to go to the show and then they get to experience it or who did and want to re-experience it anyway. Very exciting. And what I love about that is I like to watch things in my home early in the afternoon or like, I don't like to, like shows are too late. I don't like to go out. Oh, I see what you're saying. Shows are late. Shows are super late and like loud. And then you stand for so long. Yeah, and I like the-- I hate standing. I hate, I can't see anything. I hate, I just hate standing. I hate the feeling of it. I love to sit. Would you ever consider doing an afternoon show? For people who like to do a new show? It's so funny. I've never even-- It's just such a-- The thing you do. I never even thought about it. That's what's great about like music festivals, honestly. And that's like kind of what I miss about being on the earlier side of the lineup because you get to get-- you get to go out there and the sun is out. And like, it's beautiful. And then you get a night after. It's pretty nice. Yeah. Maybe I'll do that someday. A little matinee. Oh my god, a matinee tour. What's your bedtime? Well, last night I had a fantastic sleep, not to brag. Oh, yeah. What did you get? What's your sleep? I'm very worried about your sleep. Why? You're a young person. That's true. I used to be terrible with sleep. I never slept. For some reason, since last summer, when I was in Europe for tour, like I had three different tour legs where I was gone and then home and then gone in Europe each time. But so because of that, I was like really getting becoming an early bedtime murmur. And so since then, I've kind of kept that up. Like I try to go to sleep before midnight every night, which used to be-- Love this for you. Could I used to go to sleep earliest to a-- Yeah. --usually three maybe four? Yeah. And now I'm like, if I can get in bed at 10, whoa, I mean-- Can I believe that I can do this? That's amazing. And also sometimes the happiness is just one sleep away. Like it just really is sometimes like the reason why my day is so bad. I love it. I love it because I haven't slept. 100%. I love it. Honestly, like when I got this or a ring-- and this is not sponsored, I just-- I love this or a ring, dude. And since I got it, I've been like, I really don't play about my sleep now. I really need my sleep. Let me as we finish up, because I know we've kept you. But-- Don't-- --girl I don't have anything else to do. Same. Wait, I was just going to say-- OK, we got to wrap this up. Oh, I feel like when I'm at a concert and people are talking really loud, I will turn around and say, please shut up. Yeah, please shut the fuck up. Or just be quiet. Be quiet. Be quiet. That I will do. Yeah. 100%. Yeah, or a movie. Not so much. I'd be talking through a movie. I'd be talking. I know. Billy, I have to comment. I just-- That is your gen. I-- You guys chat through every-- I-- I was just going to say that. I love your name. This is done to me so much. So many times, I've-- has someone who I loved eerily gone. Because I can't shut the fuck up. Also, I'm a reactor. Like, I really-- I react audibly. Let me remind people like-- I realize, as I'm talking to you about this, that you have threats. Well, I was just going to say that. I was just going to say that. I do have threats. And I have vocal texts, but luckily for me and for everyone else, they're mostly just noises. And I can keep them pretty quiet. Yeah. I go through phases of words becoming texts. But there's a thing called suppressing, if you ever heard of it. And when I'm in an interview, I'm doing everything in my power to suppress all of my texts constantly. And as soon as I leave the room, I have to let them all out with whatever. You have helped me a lot. Honestly, I'm realizing now as I'm talking to you and getting to know you're meeting you. You've helped me a lot with my own intrusive thoughts, which I didn't really know-- I didn't have that term growing up. I didn't quite know what it was. And you're-- you having them in real time or talking about them, or even just softly joking about them, like getting all the way full circle back to the idea of what we talked to at the very beginning, which is coping mechanism and yourself soothing on that stuff in the way that you feel like comedy is important for life. Like we are living to laugh. It felt that way when I would have a thought that I just thought, like, this is a really bad thought. This is a really bad end. This is-- this one I'm going to really never ever, ever share. Like, oh, this is-- and it took me so long in my adult life to realize those were intrusive thoughts and what they were. And you really, really helped me with that. Really? Yeah. Thank you for that. You really did-- You were an example of someone. I know it so well. God, now imagine those intrusive thoughts, but your mouth has to say them out loud. Right. And that is-- Tarets and drum. Right. And I think what's troubling about the way that people do not understand what Tarets is, like when people are like, you know, if I like start having like a tick attack or whatever, like a lot of ticks in a row, and people are like, are you okay? You know, it's like-- This is very much normal. Yeah. Like, you know. And also, like, well, I didn't notice. It's like, if you didn't see me tick today, you're not looking at my knees, which are ticking constantly under this table. And my elbows that are like, I'm clenching my arms the entire time. And I'm doing this for the entire-- and it's because I'm currently, because I'm on camera, and I'm having a conversation, and I'm trying not to be distracting. I'm really doing it this whole time as fun as I'm having, much fun as I'm having. I'm doing everything I can to suppress every single tick that's visible from the top of my head to about right here. You know? And that's like how we as people with Tarets pretty much spend our days. And some people don't even have the privilege of getting to suppress them at all in any way. Right. And the not understanding of that is really frustrating as a person with Tarets. I bet. Thank you for educating me and us for real. Because it is-- it's just yet another example of what you do so generously. You're really generous, personally. You really like share. Thank you. You share what you know, what you're feeling, or what you're going through. You share it with us. Like we're very lucky that we get to hear things from you and hear. - And I'm really happy you, Tiffin. - I'm such a fan of yours, and I am so beyond excited to be in this room with you. - Really? - And do this podcast. I love you so much. Thank you for having me. - Don't be weird, but I need to get your cell phone number. - That's no. - Thank you, Billy, for coming. - Oh my God. - Love you. - I love you so much. - Thank you. - Thank you, good hey. (cheering) - Thank you, Billy Eilish. What an amazing person and what a great conversation. Love talking to you. And for this polar plunge, look, it took everything. I had not to sing Billy's songs back to her. I know that can make things awkward, but I just want to remind everybody of the perfect lyrics that are in Billy's songs, specifically happier than ever, okay? Because I just want to remind, okay. I don't relate to you. I don't relate to you, no. 'Cause I'd never treat me this shitty. You made me hate this city. And I don't talk shit about you on the internet. Never told anyone anything bad. You're my everything. And all that you did was make me fucking sad. So don't waste the time. I don't have. And don't try to make me feel bad. Okay. Okay, this is the end of it. We gotta go. Genius. Thanks for listening everybody. Billy or genius, okay, bye. (audience clapping) You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weissberman and me Amy Poler. The show is produced by The Ringer and PaperKite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spalane, Kaya McMollan, and Alayez and Iris. For PaperKite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weissberman. Original music by Amy Miles. ♪ All I ever wanted was a really good hang ♪