Bill Simmons Joins the Show, Plus a 2026 NFL Draft Preview

Welcome to Rigor Tailgate, the Wednesday edition of the show, Joel's getting his water fired up right now. So you know, it's going to be a very good show. We got an NFL draft preview. We got Joel's big board 2.0, but first and foremost, let's say what's up to our guys in the studio. We got Van Lathen there. We got a very special guest, Bill Simmons, first appearance over in your tailgate. What's up, guys? I'm honored to be here. You've had a lot of success with bills and billies. Yeah. Guys got a razor roof. You got a razor roof? Yeah. Come on, you got a razor roof. Joel invented that. Yeah. No. You guys are doing it. I didn't want to step on you. You're there. Oh no. Okay. First shot at Joel out of the game. There we go. There you go. Joel. Can I be honest with you, Joel? Joel. I'm detecting for some reason. I don't know why some heat. A little bit of heat or nervousness or whatever. I don't know if you're I'm not getting the Joel energy that I normally get. Joel drinks water. Joel. I wasn't. Well, yeah, I was. I was. I'm surprised. I'm good to see you. I'm going to see you next week when I'm out in LA. It's two weeks from now. That's right. So. Yeah. I just would have thought I would have had Chance talk to Bill instead of having to talk to him on camera first. But, I mean, I understand Van gets it mixed up because you probably, I mean, what was this supposed to be a Bill's house today and then decide to go into the studio or what happened? Because I know he built. Van's always around. So tell me. What. You know what's funny about this? I try to have a heart. Joel, like, five different times. Right. The course of 14 years. I don't think I. I think he's number one in the career rankings of most times I tried to bring somebody into the fold. Wait. And now he has a chip on his shoulder. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. No joke. No, Bill, I go. I'm grateful. I always say, this is the best place. I've ever worked. The most fun. Don't see, Van. Don't you always try to hype shit up. Stop. I don't know anything. I'm watching. I just stuck out in real time. I don't know. I feel like I'm back on fire. I'm. It's hilarious to me. No. I'm watching. This is. Listen. You don't know what happened. Just also cooked out with Paul Feinbaum. That's why. That's why. That's why we cook out in real time. Ninety point. Let me finish. No. Okay. What I was saying. And so I. Because I think it is important to mention the gratitude of top because the last time I talked to Bill before we started talking about me coming here, I thought that I was never going to talk to Bill again. Okay. I thought I was like, man, he might be mad at me. Okay. So I am very grateful that when the time arose that Bill and I could still get a chance to work together and I could be over here. So I'm grateful for him. And I don't have any children. I don't have any children. Yeah. And I don't have any children on my shoulder about Bill. I. Now I would. Would I like to be. You know, Van. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? What I would. Would I like to be the chosen one? Yeah. Well, I like to be the golden child. Absolutely. But I'm going to be the one in there. You don't live. And this is the funny thing. See, what does it have to do with anything? My dad is. Because of the Houston. I don't understand. Like, every time I talk to Joel, I talk to Joel, sometimes being Joel talking to Joel, like, man, tell gay really go go crazy. I'm the number one move to LA guy in the entire world. I think that everybody should be here. We should all be in the office five days a week. Yeah. You guys. I don't know. I don't know whatever. And Joe, you don't want to move to LA. You kind of. I don't. I don't want to come to your party. But I still want you to invite. No. That you don't want to move to LA. So you don't want to be a part of it. That's. This is a conversation. I would have liked to have Bill. When I'm LA. You go. Who. You called me. Me and you called me. I see. Joel sounds like my mom. Oh. My mom is one of those people. When we invited to do stuff, she always says no. But then she gets offended. No. No. That's right. That's right. Bill. No. No. No. And you're mad that I didn't invite you. No. No. Here's the thing. No. Van is making shit up. I've never. That's not true. I would love to move to LA. In a way. But look, I have just lived in this house for one year. It was one of the hardest years of my life. Have you ever moved across it? I mean, should Bill has. I had to move across country with two small children. One of them who was crazy. And so I just finally got all my shit set up over here. And everybody's talking about moving to LA, which is great. My, my wife loves California. She's a California girl. I love California. I would love to be in the office with y'all. But I just got here a year ago. Let's, we saved you. See way football. We said. That's right. I want to go to. Yeah. I want to see my boy. And you go. I want to go see USC, man. I like hanging out over there. We. Yeah, we were. I remember y'all went. That's the last time y'all hung out. Basically. Yeah. We all know. We all know. And Cam Johnson. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We bring in this one time up. That's the only time y'all hung out in the last one. Multiple times. You don't play golf is your problem. Yeah. If you play golf, you and Tay would hang out all the time. Well, I'll play golf. The hate is like, who played, who could play golf with me? That's his friend. Really. I'm surprised. Hey, I'm. Get it. Do golf. I'm surprised at that. Actually. I play a little golf, but. I keep hearing about how good Tay is a golf. Can we get, can we get one draft take from Bill before he gets out of here? No. Let me get it. Like, can we do one draft bus take with Bill? He cares about the NFL take. Can we do that? Yeah. Bill. I mean, look, I think Joel's upset. He didn't get it invited to the rewatchables in San Francisco. That's what it really boils to. It's no. It's. I didn't get up. I didn't get up. I am a little bit. Hold on. Hold on. Wait. Wait. You gotta let me cook here for 10 seconds. Joel wanted to be flown out to the watchables. This is in San Francisco. This is. No. I'm not going to be able to do that. Hey, man, at the 15 minute mark of the show, I'm going to stay. I'm like, now you can't do that. Okay, so we've we've misunderstood each other as a family. But anyway, so Bill, no, what I would want is I would, I would expect to get invited. Okay. That's the thing. I would get ranges that Joel and House haven't had food in DC. I don't know how that has happened. That is my fault that I haven't heard. He's the mayor of the D&D. By the way, just let you know. Yeah, Joel and Hyphids have a lot in common. Not, excuse me, not Joel, on the Hyphids. Joel and House have a lot in common. I'm aware Joel and House have a lot in common. They would definitely like each other. Definitely like each other. Check Instagram. That's all I'm gonna say. Okay, man, you know what, man? I mean, listen, we got, I mean, I'm there. Similar tastes. I respect that. Similar tastes. A fellow traveler. Joel, it says the water. All right. Do you want my one draft? I want the one. Yeah, please. Give us the one. I'll give you a couple small ones. Sure. Man, those are as the leader of my team and the coolest guy in my team and the guy that has the car keys. The every interview makes me nervous. It makes me doubt it. I just don't think you should give interviews anymore. That's my first take. Reese First Bailey, one guy is two years younger than the other and nobody can decide who's better. Why not just take the two years younger guy who has less mileage on them? Does that seem too easy or am I nuts? And then here's my big thing with the draft. Every year we look at the draft and we know who are going to be the kick ass guys that will be like awesome starters. Like this year, it's like downs. Everyone's like, downs are going to be really good. Can't miss. No question. He'll be awesome. It's like, what would seem to be like? Is he like Kyle Hamilton? Is he like, I'd read where is he? He'll just be one of those guys. He's going to be a multi-all pro. He'll be a foundational defensive piece. And then he'll go like 10th. It's like, and then when we do the draft over, it's like, all right, here's a redraft from four years ago. It's like coming in third, Caleb Downs. And it's like, why can't we just, why can't Arizona just take Caleb Downs? They don't have enough good players. So that's the part I always get. I feel like people always overthink this. Isn't it positional importance though? It is, but I think when somebody has a chance to be like, one of the best players of their decade at a position. Doesn't that change? Yeah, because Stiles is a little bit like that too. It's like, all right, you don't want to take a linebacker fifth. But if he's a generational linebacker, that should change it, right? I mean, for me, like, the question is, at the end of the day, how valuable was Ed Rhee? How valuable was Khalil Mack? How valuable was Ed Rhee? Kyle Hamilton, even 14th. Yeah, how valuable were those guys? Those guys were like, different makers and culture changers at their position. So yeah, I mean, Downs, I would be, I would be a surprise if Downs didn't turn out to be a multiple time, like seven, eight time, all pro, five, six, seven time, all pro, didn't any player in the draft in recent memory. I would be that surprised if he missed. Barring injury, of course. You have any Downs thoughts? Me? Yeah. Jordan, I can barely see y'all. But so, but you know, well, Downs is number one on the Joel Bigboard 2.0. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Yeah. So you're playing on that existed. Yeah. That's right. Joel, Joel, Joel, Joel, oh man, you know what? I did say that way before we got to it, man. But you know what, whatever, you know, people are going to come for information, not necessarily how it's presented. What I wanted to ask you, Bill, is that, so you said that about Fernando Mendoza. See, I'm under the impression that he thinks that shit is cool. That he's just like, oh, people are really into me. Man, am I like chipper personality? And people just think I'm a little corny, but I'm not afraid to be corny and public. I think he's leaning into that because he thinks people like that. And that he's getting a lot of good feedback from it. You actually think it is, it makes you think less of him. It makes me more concerned because I feel like the quarterback has to be at least one of the three coolest guys in my team, right? Russell Wilson, man, that's tough. Russell Wilson's a good example. Yeah, hurts, I think, is both cool and uncool because he's so cool that nobody can actually knows if he has a pulse. Yeah, but he's cool to shit. But he's like, you know, he's like, when the going gets tough, you trust like he's going to have that. So I think Mendoza probably has that, that if there's like real adversity, maybe you'll feel okay, because he's been in some big spots, but it's just it's unusual to have a quarterback have such a funky personality. I'll tell you this though, he was the entire culture at Indiana, consummate leader. They lied up behind him. They broke themselves, play a hard for him after. And even because you know, sometimes he does sound like a muppet like after it again. We got to go there, we got to get it done. Yeah. But when you saw his guys next to him, when you when you saw his guys next to him, man, it seemed like they liked that shit. Man, it's like that fire that they fired up. He was if he was a nerd, he was their nerd. It's yeah, it seemed like they they really fucked with it. I'm I don't want to say too much about this person, because I don't want to give away their name or whatever, but I had a friend who was a virgin until he was like 27 years old, okay? I love that motherfucker man. He was so cool. Like you know what I'm saying, like we like people we like we rallied around his decency and how nice he was and like how almost sort of naive to the world he was. He was just like, oh man, like they don't even make people like you anymore, bro. Like it really makes you want to protect them and see them succeed. And I could kind of see that happening with Fernando Mendoza. But I mean, I like the verge of Vegas. People liked him, people. That was the thing I like. Like people this probably he played people like him. Like even people that just cross him in in the regular day of life or whatever. Like they're like, oh man, Tempebo was cool. I really liked meeting him. He remembered my name immediately. That kind of shit, like he just has a neck for that. And so I just wonder if like maybe at least in the locker room, those guys would be like, man, that dude probably a virgin, but I would fucking kill for him. So Joel's friend who was a virgin, he probably found out that he was a virgin after Tusson with him a little too to seven. You know what man? I don't have. Hey, bro, I'm telling you I don't know if you have you heard the legend of 227? No, oh shit Bill. So at Montcreefall room, I don't think you should be, I don't think you should be a person to tell you. In 1997, there was an underground wrestling week. Okay, that's where Joel was like a pro wrestling. Like he was in high school Tusson. He's gonna make it like Tusson low man wins wrestling. Low man wins, and Joel said sometimes he would just be shirtless in his dorm. No, no. He's the old Bill. You went the whole week. You didn't rough house. Did you rough house with your homies and college? Yeah, I don't remember the shirts off with the. We didn't do those shirts off. We didn't do those shirts off, man. We did not do any shirts off. Like maybe it happened accident, but it would never know. Like the craziest thing we did in college was we played Highlight. For real? We had I've never known anyone who's actually played that fucking. It wasn't actually, it was a golf ball. We had these hard metal doors. And you whip the ball in the golf. Against the door and you just had to get out of the way. And if the ball hit you, you lost all ghetto Highlight. And we played this for hours until one of our friends. We actually thought he got hit and the head and died. But yeah, I'm down with you all being doing what I say about this before you get to the big board is, you know, I am, I am like over the idea that because in the 90s, there were some times where we got away from, it was less quarterback centric and we were a damn big daddy Wilkinson went number one and all that. You do not have to have an elite tier quarterback lead your draft every single year. You don't have to reach for a quarterback if that quarterback is not there. I think he seems like a legitimate choice. But Tate, like at number one, Mendoza, yeah, I personally wouldn't do it. But Tate, the personality, like him versus Darren Peterson, I think I'd rather bet on the kind of goofy Mendoza type than Darren Peterson, who just seems like a wide 2.0, like really, really, really odd, right? Yeah, he really, really the guy that wants to be a leader and be involved with everybody, shake their hands, go around the locker room, be friends with everybody, then the guy that's sitting in the corner that's super talented that feels a little bit standoffish. I think that's a fair point. I mean, I think Mendoza will adhere himself to the people. Kuala Lin is a multiple time NBA champion of finals of VP, just so you guys know. I think the thing is that if that guy isn't the best player in the locker room, they need to be cool as shit, though, bro. You know what I mean? Like if so, Darren Peterson, obviously, like if you're going in an NBA locker room, I just think it's really tough to not be, if those dudes don't think you're cool, they just don't think you can handle yourself and that you kind of off like, you got to be Kuala good or it's probably not going to work out for you. You have to be at that level. Yeah, I agree. All right, I'm going to go. This is really fun. Thank you, man. I can you, man, they smoothed the other Billy. Yeah, bring Billy, bring the Duke in. Let's get a pose more on Bill's appearance with the Duke. Joe, we're all raised a roof. with the motherfuckin. - Yeah. - What the hell is that? - Do you know how I'll see you in LA? I'm gonna look at forward to it, man. - I'm really out. - I hope you guys get lunch. - I don't think you like me now. - I hope so. I wanna do all that. - All right, there you have it, Bill Simmons. Thanks Dan for coming on the show. All right, let's get into the show. Let's talk the 2026 NFL draft. And let's get to it right now. Let's do it. - How do you think that went, Joel? - I really, to be honest, I don't know. - I don't feel like I got to get my shit off, man. And that's my boss. Like, you know, it was a joke. I don't know how, you know, Bill said that I had a chip on my shoulder. I don't, I don't want him. I hope he didn't walk away still feeling that way, but I can't be sure. - He could probably hear you still though. - Okay, and he said still. - He didn't say shirts got ripped off maybe by accident. So I don't know if that's-- - I mean, don't, if you throw it in the motherfucker, I mean, I'm gonna call you a dog. - You're gonna build a fight before him? - Yeah, all right. - Yo, this is so disappointing. - That's why, that's why Fernando's daddy call you a clown. - Oh yeah, can we talk about that? (all laughing) Billy Gil, you have a lawyer inside of here on Fernando Mendoza, where his mental state is right now. Can you give us an update? - Fernando Mendoza's dad called me a clown on Instagram today, so I'll be on emojis. - How does it feel? - We found emojis, but I missed it. - So about a week ago, I was on the Ringer NFL show and I did, we were talking about how like, there's no character issues and there's no real concerns about Fernando Mendoza. So then I went out on a thing saying that I thought that there may be character issues with him because he transferred from one high school, the high school that I went to to our rival high school 'cause he wasn't getting playing time and it was clearly ingest, but that entire high school seems to have no sense of humor and I'd be getting just killed by them for a week now. And today Fernando Mendoza's dad two days before his son becomes the number one pick in the NFL draft in which he's gonna make $50 million guaranteed is spending his time by commenting on Instagram posts calling me a clown. So I'm gonna be honest with you, I was joking before, but now I'm kind of wondering, you know, if that slight criticism that clearly was a joke is getting under the Mendoza family's skin, are we worried a little bit about like real NFL criticism and what happens if-- - And pressure of being the number one pick. - Yeah, it's all, this all rests on the premise on what you said was funny. What if it was, what do you even think it was funny? What do you mean? - Well, he didn't think that she was funny and I maybe he had a point that she would call it. - Oh, this for no reason. We supposed to be, now hold on for a second. - Joe, what would you do if he responded to you with like that? - I would've been, yeah, it's yeah. - You know, a lot of people have been calling me clown on the internet, I can't respond to all of them. - Well, hold on, I said every now and again, I find somebody that I would respond to, but I can't do it to everybody. - So, Joe, this is actually, I think you can help me on this because you have the most experience out of everyone. How should I respond to the fact that this guy called me three clown emojis? Like, what is the appropriate action? Because as a, you know, level headed adult, I probably have, you know, jokingly insulted a 22 year old, you know, right before the biggest week of his life, I can understand why it is that he might be upset, but I also think, you know what, this is something to not engage in and just kind of like, let it go. It was clearly a joke, you didn't find it funny, whatever, right? Like, what's the point of a back and forth? But I feel like you would give me different advice on this front. - I'm trying to think about what I would do 'cause I probably would spend about a good half hour thinking about what I was gonna do, huh? - Half hour. - You wanna check out this chapter? - I mean, I would come back to it every now and again. - Yeah. - 'Cause they're just like, I don't really want him, do I really want to let him get away with calling me a clown? - Oh. - That's kind of the thing. - Is it how shit or no shit, Joe? - Well, I just be like, maybe I would just say something simple, like, do you not understand sarcasm? Like is that? - I said, y'all, your family appears to be smart, that you sent a child, he was going to be a Yale. - Well, he's a doctor too. - He's a doctor. I thought y'all was smart, you can't understand sarcasm seriously? Like, that's probably what I would say, something like that. - All right. But I'll set a timer on my phone. We could check it in 30 minutes, see if you change, like, what if-- - Yeah, I'm married, dude. I just hearted it. - Oh, good, that's good. That's kind of what I'm doing. - That's good. - I like that. - Let him know I saw it, you know what I mean? That also, like, if he has then a second thought about it, now it's harder for him to delete that comment because someone has acknowledged that it exists, so. - Give it a little heart. - What if he thinks that heart is, but you're understanding that what you said was some kind of shit, though. Like, he's just like, yeah, you're right. - He works either way, Joe. - Well, I don't care, I don't care much. Like, he's a doctor. I don't even know what he practices, but I've never been a doctor. - Oh, my God. - Oh, my God. - No, I'm just seeing. - Not the years. - Here's a difficult thing is like, we live in the same hometown. So, like, there, you know, there's a chance that we cross paths into. - Oh, absolutely. - Are you saying that there's a chance that you can tell him to meet him, meet you at Publix? - No, no. - No. - Oh, I'm sorry, you're not doing that? - No, no. First of all, Publix is way too expensive. Like, in the progress, is it? - Is it? - Yeah, Publix is out here. Not to, you know, be smurch any companies. I don't know if there's a much in the show, but their prices are outrageous. Like, you're paying twice as much there as some other places sometimes. - Oh, man. - I'm not looking to fight 'em. I'm just saying, we live in the same hometown. There's, you know, we may have some mutual acquaintances, whatever, there's a chance. - Yeah, it might run into each other. - We cross paths and I'm not looking for a fight. I was just joking around. I don't want to make things uncomfortable for anyone. - Yeah. - It's funny, though, that he think, I mean, yeah, you're right. You guys are probably going to be in the same room at some point, you know what I'm saying? - I don't know about that. - Yeah, man, I mean, it makes sense. I'll be both up there in the upper echelon, the South Florida society. - You know, y'all are so, y'all are medias. - Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Fernando Mendoza's dad is an ER pediatric doctor. - Yeah. - You got to stop. - Exactly. - We got to start about, bro, come on, man. We got to, man, shout out to Razerooper, your pediatric doctor. - All right. - Like, that's like, yeah, we got to raise the room. So, I was looking up, what kind of doctor he was? And legitimately, he could not be more of a noble doctor. - Yes. - The way in the ER, and the pediatric doctor, that I mean-- - That's important to Robert Berry on Twitter. - And took time out of his day, - That doesn't mean that it's a call-billy acclaim. - That seems like bad judgment, honestly. - Yeah, I think. - That seems like he might not understand humor, but maybe he, again, understands humor and said, "I don't think that was funny." Here's some kind of emotions. - I think Joel was siding with Mr. Mendoza. - He was shocked. - Hey, man, I'm not siding with you. - Mr. Mendoza, I understand you. - Mr. Mendoza is legitimately the man. He works at the Nicholas Children's Hospital in disguise like a saint. - You know what? So, my daughter fell one time and got stitches. I wonder if he was the doctor that stitched her up 'cause that's what we went to get the stitches. - Maybe he remembered me from that day, and he said, "You know, what was it?" - Oh, God. - I just don't say. - They've this girl's life, and here he is. - I'm not sure. - Talking about my son, yeah. - Oh, God. That's why he shouldn't be beefing on Twitter. Because you never know, right? You never know if not, no, not raise a roof for the health of Billy's kids. They never gonna have to go to the pediatric doctor. Raise a roof for them. - Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. - Raise a roof, raise a roof. - But like, if you're a doctor and you're getting it popping on Twitter, you never know if you're gonna be in this situation where you have to help out one of the babies or the kidneys or somebody or something like that. - He shouldn't be popping on Twitter like that. - Yeah, what is the oath coming to play there? Maybe he doesn't say help. - Oh, it's going on. - It's going way too far. - Maybe he's not gonna be a doctor anymore. His son is about to be in the league. He might be like, "I ain't got to do that no more." - Yeah, he can go to publics now. He's gonna have to do that. - He can't go to publics. I never thought a publics is being that expensive. You know, they have publics in Tampa and Atlanta. And what are the other grocery stores around? - I mean, it depends where you, I mean, if I'm gonna be honest, you know what I'll do sometimes. So if it's something that's like pre, like let's say I want to buy Oreos, for example, right? Some people will be like, "I don't know. "I don't want to do this." There's like these Walmart grocery stores and like a target, if you're buying things in boxes, it's not like I'm buying coal cuts or something. Like you can get those absolutely anywhere. They're exactly the same. And if it's half the price, why would I be going to a publics house? - That's right. I never thought of it as being that expensive. You kind of fucking my head up because when I was in Tampa, I mean, they had publics everywhere. That was the grocery store. - Yeah. - I don't know what else. I guess, you know what though? I shopped at Walmart a lot more when I live in the South. It's a lot more part of your life. - I think, what are we talking about right now? - Oh yeah. (laughs) - Strap me. - I think that's true. - Yeah, Joel's trying to give himself some more time to think about what he would respond to Mr. Mendoza. So I think that's fair. - I got that stuff out already. - Before we get into Joel's big board 2.0, just wanted to do this. One big reaction. NFL draft buzz. It does feel like it's a little lackluster this year. Not a lot of talk about the draft. I've had multiple people ask me when the draft is. It is happening in two days. Van, do you have a diagnosis as to why the draft is not getting discussed as much? - That's a lot going on. I mean, I don't think there's any real reason. It's not like a clear cut star that's in the draft. Number one, and there's a lot going on. Also, I would say it is that I don't know how the transfer portal era is going to affect the overall start of the college football player. You're not sticking with a guy in one place for as long of a time. Look, could be different. Could be whatever. But I think all the moving around and stuff like that, it might have an effect on the brand of the guy coming out of college. Like Mendoza's brand new player where he's at. A lot of these guys are transfers, stuff like that, whatever. But that's probably just bullshit. But really, there's not like a star coming out of the draft that everybody is like consumed with. And that's probably the main thing, you know? - Yeah, 'cause Mendoza's the face of it. And everyone kind of knows that he's gonna go number one. So that obviously there's not much, you know, anxiety, whatever you wanna call it, excitement around the idea of who's gonna go number one. We know who's gonna go number one. Joe, any thoughts on why we're not talking about this as much? - Oh yeah, I mean, it is one of those years where, you know, Eric Fisher gets drafted number one. I mean, in 2013, you know? - Yeah, right, you know, I mean, now again, Mendoza is gonna be the number one pick. But, you know, beyond him, not a lot of these guys or celebrities, but the thing is, next year when it's archmaning, it's gonna be not gonna fill this way. When it's archmaning, Dante Moore, Trinidad Chamblis, then the draft will be full of all these stars again. And then, you know, then this will just be a blip, a blip like, you know. - So we'll say though, last year during the draft, when Cam Ward was the foregone conclusion to go number one, everyone kept saying, well, next year, we're gonna have archmaning, we're gonna have Nuss Meyer, we're gonna have Kade Clubnik, we're gonna have Drew Aller, we're gonna have all these different guys, the draft's gonna be amazing. And we get to the draft and it's sort of a similar setup as we saw last year. So maybe it's a symptom of a larger problem. - Do you know who the star of the draft was last year? - Cam Ward. - Shadour Sanders. - Oh, that's true. - You know, that's true, but there was a shit ton of buzz though. You can't say that there wasn't buzz. There was a lot of talk about where she'd do it would go. How he would, you know, how the NFL process was treating them, how he would treat the process. I'll say this, that's true what you just said. But a lot of it's true because the guys just didn't play. It's not that the players weren't there and that people were wrong to expect that some of these guys would take a leap. Turns out that Nuss Meyer has assist on his spine. - That's a crazy story. - Yeah, that affected him. I am blown away by that revelation. Blown away by the fact that we're just learning this now that it doesn't seem like it was addressed by the LSU medical staff. There was no talk about it. Everyone could watch him and tell that something was wrong with him, like you could tell that he wasn't right, but he just played through it the whole time. Everyone told us he was fine, whatever. So there are some weirder things that happened this season that stopped us from being the draft that we thought that it was going to be. - Yeah, our commanding was supposed to be a revelation, Kade Club, Nick was supposed to take a leap, right? There's a lot of things that wouldn't have played there. That's right. - Wait, wait, wait. I just could real quick as an aside here. I mean, LSU has millions of dollars and they sent millions of dollars of San Brian Kelly away. Now that you mentioned it this way, Van, it is fairly shocking that this is a recent revelation and not something that they are with. - It took the NFL doctors to find you, right? - They're supposed to be going through a entire process, right? I mean, they've got the money and the means to do that shit. So I don't understand how I got missed. - Honestly, I could make a different argument that between this and a lot of what happened with Greg Brooks that we need to take a long look. LSU, should I say, needs to take a long look at what's going on down there in terms of the health of players, the care of the players, and how things are going for the players, right? I'm not gonna get into the entire Greg Brooks situation because that young man's journey, what he's been through, how his family has rallied and everything that's happened with him, just one of the harrowing, most heartbreaking stories that I've ever seen, not just in LSU football history but in college football history, but what does it mean to have a assist on your spine? Like to have a assist, like how bad can that go? Is that something you should even be playing on? Like what can happen? Like how do you get all the way through a season where we keep hearing from our head coach, but he's okay, and then he ends up playing with this. Now we know that like two or three weeks of treatment or whatever it's going to be, and he's essentially fixed. That it's something that they're saying does not in fact, shouldn't affect his long-term play, but like what the fuck? Like that's not something that they saw or could deal with or whatever you lose gear for the first three weeks, you lose him against the Louisiana Tech, a couple of other people like that. He's back and his draft stock and all of the stuff that he's trying to do as a football player, is better situated because the medical team was able to get on top of this. I was already reading that story. It doesn't make any fucking sense. Yeah, and the implication always kind of felt like from Brian Kelly at least, that it was like the yips or like he was just misreading things in live time. They said he had an oblique injury. Yeah, no oblique injury, obviously, yeah. So, strange story all around. One other thing as far as like stars of the draft, I feel like Ohio State is a star of this draft. If you look in it a lot of the big boards, right? Four guys in the top 10, and I guess if they have four players going the top 10, I mean potentially you could have four guys go in the top six or seven. I guess that would make Ohio State the star of the story, which would be good for us for college football fans to have a team to point to and that be a headliner. But other than that, a little bit of a dud, and that leads us to a real star on the show. Joel, let's get to the big board 2.0. A lot of people have like 5.0, 6.0, 7.0. Joel's got 2.0. I don't really, I don't need to put out a lot of false information or waste time trying to get clicks. You know, you want to do it when you do it, you want it to have impact, right? So you lose one. Billy has a disc, Billy hearted that down. Yeah, it's a disc. Billy, Billy hearted it, Billy hearted it. Billy hearted it. You dist every single person that's on their fourth or fifth mark. That's it. Billy, am I tripping or is that a disc? I don't think so. I don't think that's a disc. I think Joel's right here. I think Joel's just trying to be as efficient as possible. All right. I don't think he's taking-- I don't think he's taking-- He's taking shot. Bill told us to be nicer to do this, so this is a good start. That's not a thing that-- It was a mandate, a pre-off-air mandate. It was not strained. Although there were a lot of people talking about this shit. I was just saying, I'm fine. No good look. You were also late today, so you didn't hear it. I was not late. I was on time. What? I was on time. When I clicked on, I saw Bill in Vantalkin clearly doing another podcast, and I was like, oh, shit. And so I clicked right out, because I was confused about what was happening. You thought you were interrupting? Yeah. Yeah, I thought I was interrupting. I clicked on it 3.30. Well, let's not interrupt you. Joel, Bigboard 2.0. What do you have on the Bigboard? And to give people a little bit of an update, McShay has a Bigboard out, Final Bigboard, the Fantasy/Draft Guys as well. So Joel, you got the right competition in the building, but yeah, we got to pull it up right now. Look, it's Joel's Bigboard. Yeah, Deontay does some stuff, too. San Sean, Deontay Lee. So yeah, man, I mean, look, I'm going to read out the Bigboard for people just so because some people will listen to this, and I watch it on YouTube. So number one, on the Bigboard, Caleb Downs. I love him. Just everything. He can do everything. He popped off the screen as a freshman at Bama. And he gets the same kind of love from Nick Saban that Van gets from Bill. It's just like, it's like, oh, bro. If Nick Saban likes you, you know that you good. So that's how I know that Caleb Downs is special. Number two, Jeremiah Love. Nobody talks about Todd Gurley anymore. Why can't he talk about Gurley? Who's only 30 years old, by the way, which is insane. Tough. Yeah, tough. Why can't Jeremiah Love be Todd Gurley, man? You know, my big concern though is he'll go to a team that sucks like the Titans. Number three, Arvel Reese. Number four, Stunny Stiles. Number five, Ruben Bain, OK? So I have to move on. Who was number one before you've dropped it down to number five? He was number one. OK, so real quick, to catch everybody up. Last week, it was discovered, Ali Connolly and his sub-stack, the read optional, reported that Ruben Bain had been involved as a driver in an accident where one of the passengers died, OK? And he was-- They did give him-- I would say he rehashed the story that was sort of known. But see, that's the thing. How many people knew that story? And then if they knew what-- Miami people did. Why was it not reported then? I mean, I just-- People in the media, and they would say this is the thing. There were people that work in media who says, where about it else knew, well, God damn it. No, they didn't. I didn't know. There were a whole bunch of people that didn't know. And if you knew, and your job is an insider, you're supposed to be giving information to your audience. Why the fuck did you keep that private? You were just like-- I think that we can mark this down as another disc. Jerry Jones knew, so everything's all good. We don't need to lay out top that little circle here. It just doesn't make any sense to me. And again, I just-- it's fine if you don't want to report it, and you want to be an insider, great. You'll get to go to have a stake at St. Elmo's and Indianapolis fantastic for you. But if somebody wants to come into the business, and they're just like, hey, one of the top 10 prospects in this draft, maybe the best defensive player in the country, was actually in an accident two years ago when somebody died, and nobody has ever reported it. And he reports that for people, I don't think you all get to talk shit about him. I just think that, like, hey, man, you know what? He had the nuts to do it, you know? So anyway, a lot of people were all in his motherfucking face about it. Yeah, McShay, our teammate, we're not happy about it. But I heard from my sources that McShay was doing that, Joel, because he heard that you had Rubin Bay number one on your big board. So he was trying to stick his fingers. Ah, you know what? Ah, look. He was sending you. Preservant, I appreciate that, if he was what he was doing. I think Todd was wrong on that, but we can agree to disagree. The thing about Rubin Bayndo, you can't have historically short arms. And this on your record, but it's not just that in 2025 he was cited again for reckless driving. I just Look, I'm not saying it means he's a bad person. I don't think I don't know, you know, if he just what is the concern for you drafting them If you're a team tell us what what's in your mind dropping him? Is it a character concern? You're still having top five You didn't drop him that far. Yeah, no, but is that gonna is that gonna reflect but you're you're taking him from being what you would say is a franchise cornerstone - I guess he's a little franchise cornerstone, but one to five There's a clear set of I guess priorities there for you as a drafter as a big-board maker. What change for you? Well, I just I think that you can't you should be as careful behind the wheel Is anybody that is ever existed, you know, and I just can't believe that after something that I mean And we haven't heard him talk about it. He doesn't have to talk about it if you don't want to This should have been as traumatic as anything else. It should have been like okay Um, I'm going I'm going to drop 15 miles an hour from here on out But now not just that in Ali Connolly's report He says that NFL teams are saying we don't think he's been upfront about this We feel like there's more there's you know more to this story that the other shoe is going to drop suggesting that either he hasn't been fully truthful about this particular incident or just about other stuff So that's just kind of like again. I think Rubin is a fantastic football player, which is why I had a number one But I feel like if you got that You if you already got short arms. I'm well over willing to look I'm willing to overlook that shit I was like when he managed to throw out a spike that but now I got some concerns that hey man, you know, he may not take this as seriously Um, his future is I would prefer for a guy that is the top of my draft board So I'll just drop them a few spots. He'll still be a four spots for character concerns fair. Yeah, yeah I just for kids got you. Yeah. Okay. Number six Fernando Mendoza Number seven. I learned how to pronounce his name this Francis Maui Noah Now we know her like that all right number eight David Bailey Okay, who's Mark to go number two to the Jets Yeah, some people you know some people think it'll be R. Vellery some people think it'll be David Bailey I'm pretty sure it's David Bailey Yeah, so and I don't I think Bill said this uh, and it's true he's Arville Reese's two years younger To two years. I mean, so it's just like so I got somebody with Who really popped in his one year? He's of athletic marvel But I'm gonna go with the guy who's two years older. This doesn't make a lot of sense Suggesting me that Arville might have even more to tap into at the next level It feels like the Jets are just going for the safer option And there who was the in Khalil max career? Who was the his contemporary? He was always compared to was Vaughn Miller That sounds about right he's a little bit younger than Vaughn, but yeah He's a little bit younger than Vaughn, but who was Who was at the time the the guy was always compared to Khalil Mack camera because I look at I look at Bailey As more of the Khalil Mack type of mold Okay, I mean like a guy who Has all of it Continent professional, but it's going to be And solidly elite for a long long time. Yeah solidly elite for a long long time. I'm the player is going to jump Into my god damn brain. It was always Khalil Mack versus whomever else. It's gonna. Oh was it Sean Merriman? No, no, I couldn't Yes, he's oh, okay, well no man. I don't know. I played the NFL at this time. Why is that so different than Whoever we just said Yeah, that's how you know it's been a long time since the relevancy But yeah, David Bailey, I remember by my age. I didn't want to issue this Joel in your big board Do you put defensive end or do you put edge rusher because it seems like we've turned the Way that we kind of labeled these guys as you know defensive end used to be the the you know labelled you go now It's edge rusher. How do you feel on that? I kind of I prefer edge because I mean sometimes like our villa Reese the thing that makes him great is it yes, he could be a fantastic pass Russia having his hand in the dirt But you can do so many other things dropping into coverage playing in space. He's a good tackler So that's why I just say edge, you know, okay, cuz Russia specifies like one particular Job that you've got which is an important job, and if you excel in it, you'll make a lot of money But I think that our velle Reese is a little bit more than that. So friends like I think of Reese as an edge and Bailey is a pass Russia You know, so you differentiate them even though they're both listed as ad rushers. Yeah, I mean, I think of Bailey's a little bit different I mean, I think Bailey is is obviously really good. He was a highest graded defensive player and college football last year quarter pFF I didn't have sex last year Which player do you feel like is more versatile? Oh our velle Reese I was talking to somebody about our velle and they were saying that he was sort of like The the chess piece that Ohio State deployed all I see it like he was like and he called him the queen You know, I don't I don't play chess. So I don't know how significant that is But it sounded like a big deal and uh, so this I mean yeah our velle is Just got a lot of versatility got a lot of athleticism much younger. I would I mean, you know I have him over David Bailey, but not by that much but I think there is a difference So if you're doing a start bench cut of those ad rushers, right? You know our velle Reese David Bailey and Ruben Bane. Oh my god Because those are the top 10 guys. Oh, we know start start our velle Bench Ruben cut David Okay, and there's a chance that David Bailey goes before both of those guys. Oh, no, I mean that's I mean I think we're undervaluing David Bailey a little bit here man. You might be right Yeah, I think there's a little bit uh of of undervalued. I mean David Bailey is also just like Just incredibly reliable Like he all feels like a grown-up on the line. Yeah, you can just Like you can or in a defense around him David Bailey is a he's gonna be a linchpin for somebody for a long time I just wonder if I said that about David Bailey in November, which you all would have said about me if I said me You know that Texas takes David Bailey won best players in the country man sets that edge He's just really versatile. Yeah, I'll be like man. That's the big 12. You know, uh, he don't play no body B. Why you oh This is not a factored right here Oh, we never said this you've created But you know, you know the point you know the fight thing is about it though You didn't say it I did I said Texas Texas defense was great and it was it was a championship level defense They we're gonna be really good next Texas takes defense do you want to lose against organ? Okay, they won they won their matchup the Texas take defense. They were great. Yeah, but you know, y'all don't y'all Y'all sleep on big 12 football now. Yeah, I can like y'all don't know. We're trying to support We're trying to we're trying to see what's going on. All right. How many more players on the big board? Glad y'all came huh? We got seven. I think we know. I got so we had eight We were David Bailey number non-mansoor delaying solid corn out of ls u van nose and I just kind of think also just he's just To have been so business like to thrive the Virginia Techman just come to ls u and do everything that everybody expected of him Right like that just that just said something to me that's like that. He's a professional to me, you know And then I moved in Spencer Fano over to deep man um I just haven't thinking about a little bit more You know grinding a little more tape You know I think we need a tailgate tape session with you. Yeah, that's what I think grinded some tape Spencer Fano, man big dude very athletic when you talk when you talk you talk quarterback who I really like could not pass And when you thought he needed to get busy they went behind Spencer Fano man. So I appear. Yeah, damn peer man Yeah, good player definitely a very good player. Yeah, but interesting So just to do some cross-reference here. I got McShea's big board. He's got Jeremiah love at number one And it seems to it seems that a lot of people think that Jeremiah love is one of the few blue chippers that are out there So uh he's got him at number one sunny styles at two reach hit three Mendoza for Bailey five Then he's got your number one guy Caleb downs at six carnell Tate who you didn't you did not mention there at number seven mansoor delaying Jermon McCoy another quarterback from Tennessee. I mean, that's it. I really disagree I mean again, I McCoy didn't play last year. Yeah, he's coming from a knee injury. That is a real big Leap of faith to have him in your top 10, but I mean obviously this is this is the big board though again Just like your big board. This is what I didn't run. Yeah, I know where they're getting draft and I went ground in 2024 tape So you know, okay, so you kept it strictly 2025 and then Rubin Bane. He's got it at number 10 right now So that's the you know, do a little cross reference there between the two I didn't want to talk about mansoor delaying just a little bit van Just because he's in your LSU backyard. Was there any moment last year that you had that you were like Yeah, this is the guy or were you shocked to see him go because a lot of times with the draft stuff like you have guys in your team You're like man. He's a top 10 pick Dan. That's crazy. Uh, did you expect him to be in this conversation? Absolutely, okay, he was very quietly because of some of the problems that I wouldn't say that the LSU defense was a problem, but I would say that that There weren't a lot of bright spots on the field for the entire course of the year We couldn't maintain any type of consistency as a as a program last year But one of the bright spots was not just him, but AJ Halsey on the the backside of defense at safety. Delane was fucking unbelievable last year. You could not be productive against him. He was locking down everything and he tested out really well. So I was not surprised at all that if you grind at the tape like Joel said, and also, you know, he the way he tested out in his workouts that he was drafted, he ran three eight. He went, excuse me, ran four three. Ran four three on top of everything else that the tape said on the field. I can't really, he was really phenomenal this year. Like really phenomenal on the outside for LSU. What are we gonna do about Harold Perkins, Doug? What do you think? What do you think Harold Perkins is future is a football player? You know, man, it's like with Perk, you saw what Perk can do if you need him to make athletic plays. He can make athletic plays on the field that other players just simply can't make. And the question is, you know, how do you take that combination of skills and make them into an every down defensive superstar? And that's something for the coach, but it's not quite evident, right? Perk is a tweeter, he's really slow. Like small to be at edge or backer, but too big to be like in at your nickel or something like that. So it's almost like you got to invent something for him during his time at LSU. They tried him at different places. They tried him at more, I guess tradition and more traditional linebacker roles. It did not seem like he flourished there. The fan base also didn't have very much patience for it 'cause what you really want to do with him is put him in a position where you can go sea ball, get ball, Harold Perkins. But in the NFL, like who really exists in that role that has some of maybe the physical limitations that Perk has in terms of size? I can't think of anyone. And covering in space is not something that's gonna be second nature to him. So like what do you do? Like what do you do? I do think that somebody will figure it out, but it might take him a little while to get his body right, change up a little bit. Maybe you add a little weight, sacrifice some of your explosiveness and try to figure out how you fit it on the defense somewhere. - Yeah, no, I was just thinking about him. He was like, he's child shout out. 'Cause you know who reminded me of this? Devin Hester, when he was at Miami, like he was so fast and such a good athlete and they really wanted him to see, say trying to make him a receiver, trying to let him run the ball out of the backfield and all that other shit. And they're just like, man, my fucking, it's just not his gift, you know? So I mean, he was able to excel a kick return and I was just thinking, I was like, man, it's just too bad. There's just something on special teams. They're so important, you know, like a gun or whatever. So that he could say, 'cause he could be in the league 'cause he's a great athlete. But it's just like, yeah, to your point, I just like, where does he fit? And no team is going to spend that much time trying to do that with Harold Perkins because you try to figure out sunny styles. He's 65244, like he's a little too tall to be a linebacker, but, you know, not quite big enough to be a defensive in or edge or whatever. Well, I guess he is sort of, but it's not like 270280. He's got, he could be an edge. Yeah, maybe he could be an edge, but he's like lighten to ass relatively. Like he's not 270280, right? And so, but you do that, you make those accommodations to try to find a role for him on the field because that's fucking sunny styles. I don't know if Harold Perkins has that and I just want, I hope, I hope he doesn't fall through the cracks. I hope he gets a chance to excel at this next in the league, but it just, it'll be tough. With, with, um, with sunny styles, there is another player, a couple of other players. Like, um, like a Max Crosby that you could compare him to. What does Max Crosby go? What does Max Crosby like 2602502? What's Max Crosby? Like, like, like, like, there are players like that that you can see being successful in their archetypes in the league already. 65, 255, 65, 255. So about the same thing, right? Yeah, that's basically, um, yeah, they got style. Isn't that 244 244? So he's a little bit more slight than that. But you can see, you can see a player like that. Actually, there's a, there's an example of somebody with those physical gifts that can play their way into NFL super stardom. Where Herald Perkins, I guess the question would be, where is the 61220 pound, 225 pound edge guy linebacker who doesn't, like, he's not, like, where is that guy existing now? Like, what, what can Harold's body? He ran, I think, like, four, three, four, four, at his combine for probably a four, four. So he could probably add a little size, right? So now maybe a little bit, but like, where is he going to play like, what is the archetype for Herald Perkins right now? It's just crazy because your Herald Perkins was a really good high school running back. And I remember when he went to LSU. Well, fantastic. Yeah. And when he went to LSU, I was like, okay, like, he found his fit. And he's going to get bigger or whatever. You know, I'm thinking by the end of his college career, he's going to be like 242 45 and you would have figured it out. But I, but I remember maybe after like his sophomore year, I'm like, shit, man, I wonder if Herald Perkins should have played running back. Just, just, it just occurred to me. I was like, I wonder if he should have given it a shot at running back, because he's great at a lot of people that wanted to try it. That's Jeremiah Love. Like he's Jeremiah Love size. Yeah, we've seen safeties get moved and running back before, you know what I mean? Like sometimes those positions get flip flopped every once in a while. I do want to talk about why receivers. Because I do think this class of why receivers is pretty fascinating. We have, I think four or five guys that don't end up in the first round. We'll see if they get pushed back because people kind of reach for linemen and, you know, edge rushers, kind of those premier positions. But right now, Karnel Tate is pretty much a locked to go on the top 10. You got Makai Limon from USC. Jordan Tyson from Arizona State, Omar Cooper, Jr. from Indiana, who obviously had some big moments this year. Then you get into the Denzel Boston casey conception on who has been kind of a draft darling a lot of people falling in love with his story. And then Chris Brasel, who has had some insane moments and catches and highlights during his time at Tennessee. So of those receivers, Joel, you've been crunching the tape, you know, obviously take Karnel Tate, maybe put him in his own territory. But which one of those guys kind of stands out to you? No, it's interesting. You say that about Karnel Tate because I know that everything says that he's going to be a productive NFL starter. Maybe not a star, but a productive NFL starter, like he's, he's ready to go. But I just, and I know that this is ignorant. So forgive me for it. But I'm thinking the best receiver on your team has always been Jeremiah Smith, you know, and like not, and not just that, like he's drawn the most defensive attention every time. And again, Karnel Tate, catch radius, contested catch rate, all the elite. Like everything says that he's really good, right? But I just, it just worried. I don't, you know, we'll see every every question. Yeah, go ahead. About this ridiculously weird take on the 2019 LSU team. Who was the best, who was the best receiver? I mean, probably, uh, Tarris Marshall. Now just joking. Jamar Chase. Okay, hey, Tarris Marshall could have been. Jamar Chase. Yeah. I don't know. He was like, he was like, I like him. Karnel Tate. Do I have to say Karnel Tate, like a, like a, like a dog? I think my point is, I think if you would have asked anyone that watched the season, they would have said that Jamar Chase was the clear number one. And that Justin Jefferson was, uh, one a really capable number two watch a lot of the games. It all, a lot of times it depended on the way the defense was playing things. The guys kind of had different roles. Chase was a little bit more of an over the top guy. I think he's stripped to win one or ones. It seemed like girl also trusted him the most, you know? On a, on a 50 50 for sure. Right? But, um, or on a, even on the back shoulder. But, you know, Justin Jefferson is a route master. So what I'm saying though, is using that to the world post digs in high school. They don't report post digs in the league. That's Justin Jefferson talking to people. They don't do that ski. I'm some serious. They don't write post digs in high school, bro. You know what I'm saying is, obviously, you know, Tate's number one is like this freakish combination of athletic gifts. It's like, just doesn't come around that much, so it's not a complete one-to-one. But there are a number of twos in college football that go on to be insanely productive. You can make a maybe, maybe make a argument, like especially before last year, that Justin Jefferson has had just as good of as if not better a career as the guy that he shared the field with as his number one. So Carnel Tate has everything that he needs to start with. Oh, no, you know, Jackson's within jing, but play with Chris Alive, you know what I'm saying? That's more I could do more. I don't think I just don't I don't when I see Carnel Tate, I don't see top 10 receiver prospect. I see him a first well prospect. So if he's not the number one, is he still a number one receiver on the board in Joe's mind? Yeah, I mean, I mean, I've seen Jordan Tyson getting a lot of. Jordan Tyson, yeah, I don't you know, think about Jordan Tyson. And again, if you have a hard time staying healthy in college, is this real hard for me? Yeah, that's one out of every three games. That's really that's really tough, you know, I mean, maybe he. He has all the right gifts, he excel, I mean, Dianne, I mean, he left Colorado and Dianne is like, you know, riding form hard through this drive process. So I'm just like, okay, like he clearly has something, but I just, you know, being heard all the time in college, I just wouldn't bet on that changing in the league. That's all. Yeah. But the four that are in the first round at least by most projections, you know, Makai Limon is a head of Jordan Tyson and then you got Omar Cooper Jr. from Indiana. I like Makai Limon just doesn't have ideal size, but I really, really like Makai Limon. Yeah. I think of those three days. He's pretty obvious. Does Tate's 40 speed bar do you? Not really. I mean, Pukinakua ran a four or six, you know what I mean? So I think you can excel and what it takes run like a four, like a four or five, right? He ran a four or five. Four or five. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's what I think the most people would have liked, especially now, but I don't, I'm just never one of those people that over determined for the 40. Like it usually confirms what I think, but if you have really good tape, like Tate does, then I don't, it doesn't bother me too much. Got open made catches. Yeah. Pukinakua ran a what? Four, six. We're not four or six damn. You know, man. So they're faster in pads, though, I don't know how to explain it. I feel like those 40 times are so overrated, especially when you see guys. He gets open and he catches the ball and also different quickness and speed. He's also a rehab right now. Pukinakua is. I think he just got out, right? Yeah, he got out. Wait, what kind of rehab? Oh, the other kind of. He was he was. Yeah, he was going ham. Yeah. You know, sometimes it's so funny. Races rehab is so funny to me. It's like. Well, I didn't know he's in racist rehab. Well, he was a rehab for a great many things, but he also, he said something anti-Semitic. I remember that. I remember that. I would kept up with the Pukinakua. I just know he was like party and hard. So a girl said that because he said the inward because I think he said the inward at 1.2, right? Yeah. Pukinakua. Pukinakua. Pukinakua hit everyone. Pukinakua did inward. And then he was like, let me not leave out brothers and sisters in the Jewish community. So then he was accused of having bit someone. It didn't say the inward. Damn. Antonio Brown. Yeah. Yeah, going crazy, right? He forced it right to the ADL. He got the pronounced forehead of somebody that got problems, man. Taking shots. Yeah. I'm looking at his forehead and I'm like, mask my fuck as a problem. Let me see. He was like, he was like, he was like, he was like, he was like, he was a true dog. Yeah. Oh, he got the bomb, villain, forehand. Yeah, dog is crazy. How about you never know? Yeah. Hey, bring up Pukinakua's forehand. He's going to be a problem at home, stopping the lead. Yeah, man. He got the bomb, villain, the flat forehand joint. It's crazy, man. I mean, he always gets up and he gets wrecked. Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah, you know, the thing about using the inward though is a Simone. They be doing that, you know? Yeah. Especially at BYU. Especially at BYU, tough. I feel like some of the, some of the Samoans that I know out here in LA, sometimes you have to have conversations with them about it. You be like, hey, bro, you know, because it's weird. Like you're not, you're not a nigga. You know, I was saying like, I get, you know, you're not, you know, like, don't, though, I'm not, you know, I, you know, it's funny. So in Louisiana, these rules are just like a lot more defined because we don't have diversity. That's right. Right? Yeah. So they're a clear inward passage and on inward passage. You don't have to worry about it. Yeah. You know, you share it, but now you go to New York, you got Puerto Ricans around the mannequins. Some of them are black. Some of them are not. They're saying it. They're not saying it. Then you come to LA. You got the Samoans and stuff. Yeah. And shit. Some of them be banging sets. Maybe you have some blood. That's right, man. The Texas, the Texas Mexicans and Durans. They be on that shit heart, you know what I'm saying? Going inward. And so Puka, I think Puka, Puka from California, Puka probably is, Puka probably learned about the whole. Yeah. They had a whole inward situation. Where's he from? Where's Puka from? Uh, Utah. Oh, wait. We said it was born in Vegas, but he grew up in Provo, Utah, then. Oh, okay. So no, he's not from California at all. He get, that's, that's an EO. But wait, but the Samoans and Utah beyond that shit, though, bro. Like, I mean, that, I mean, they banging everything. Also, Moans are only niggas that are in Utah. Samoans might be the niggas of Utah. Yeah, they really might be full. Bro, Samo, bro, bro. Yeah. So I'm saying Samoans. They out there at the BYU and Utah, like college football teams. You know, it's a lot of Samoans. They might be. I'm saying, man. Yeah. I mean, in that case, Joe, do you give Puka a pass? Yeah, there you go, Joel. It's a good question. I'll tell you about time I gave a white boy a pass. See, that was always a farce. Anytime people said they got the pass, it's like you don't have it. Okay, listen. Wanted to hear a story more than the story that is about to be told. Silence from Van Leite. Joe Anderson Proceed. Imagine setting your makeup. Then forgetting it's even theirs. Meet new groupie setting mist from Mavily New York. 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And the first thing I noticed is this is like three pit bulls just running around loosens fucking apartment dark. I was like, what the fuck? And it was his white guy. It pops up. And he was the, he was the dealer, man. And so he did. So he just started saying, you know what's up? Because you know what I'm saying? But he just like just saying it. And he said it was so much confidence. And so much familiarity. I was, and this is not my house. I'd never been in this house before that man had three pit bulls and presumably whatever else going on in there. I was just like. Yo, home, talking home. I was like, if this is your boy, dog, he must be able to. I mean, he must be able to say it. Like he said it. Like he knew that he could say it and that was going to happen. And he was right. You know, so I don't know who that white boy is. He sold me weed one time in 2004. But I remember I walked when we walked out of that house. I told my dude. I was like, bro, don't put me in those situations like this shit again, dog. Don't, don't ever. That like that. What was it? What happened? We got attacked in that motherfucker. Who would we tell people about what it going on? This is when also we've seen more taboo. You know, 2004, 2005. You know who I want to hear from on this. Who? The whole, the audience knows. There he is. There he is. Yeah. Yeah. The one we're here for. Billy, you've been on Joel's side so far today. Yeah. I mean, I got the mandate that was support Joel. No. Support Joel. Don't. You're really man. The only thing I was confused about a little bit was you didn't want to tell us the name of the person because it was an important person. So then I was like, who's this drug dealer? It's not a word in person. It's four people running around their living room. No, no, no, no. My homeboy is sort of an important person. What's it? What's sort of an important person mean? He has a job where you just don't want to be affiliated with that kind of shit. What does that mean? Yeah. What's he do? What kind of job? Yeah. Don't narrow the search Joel. I knew he's been my homeboy, we grew up in Texas together, you know, I'm saying shout him out. That's my dog. Okay. So here's a deal. No. Yeah. Here's a deal. Here's a deal that we'll make before I talk about this story. If we figure out who he is, we get to say his name on the podcast. My friend. You could tell us who he is. Yeah, your friend. You could tell us who he is and we can just believe it. But if we if we figure out who he is, we get to say his name on the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. You down with that? I guess I can. I wouldn't take that deal. See that deal. No, we know it's a bad deal, Joel. We found Moncree Paul in five minutes. Yeah, Joel. You out of this. I mean, you may have already said his name. I mean, I mean, I mean, the thing is, is that Van keep also making that shit seem so much more homerotic than it was. What? It was just not. I mean, it was just. It was just. Dude's letting off steam, man. You gotta. Okay. Paul, my life. It's like my fucking. Definitely. You ain't never. You never. So you never walked in a room and be like, I'm best motherfucking your dog. Somebody proved me different. You ain't never walked in a room like that. Okay. All right. Let me ask you this. So would you consider. Would you consider. What happened when the white boy said, "Nigga, to your face." Would you, would you consider that to be, would you consider that to be a cut out? - Yeah, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was the first one. - I would, I would, I would cut to cut it out there. - That was your first fine ball. - You know, it's funny because I don't even consider that the first time I'm, I'm just calling it out to my face ball white person. 'Cause I never, I can't be called a nigga to my face ball white person is happening. My first week in a street port. Not that time. 'Cause I just, I get, I've just totally, in my mind that guy's allowed to use it. There's just no question about it. He gets, he got to say, "Nigga that day." So yeah, I cut out whatever own boy's name is, man. I cut out. I was, it didn't seem worth raising a fuss. - You also were, it was a transaction that was happening. So you were like, - Yeah, I don't want to fuck 'em in. I was scared of dogs. I was scared of pit bulls, man. For real. - What? - I'm scared of pit bulls too. - But the customer's always right, Joel. - You ain't never ran from a pit bull before? Have you run from a pit bull before? Anybody in this? - And they were at a run from one. I actually had some sweet pit bulls. - So I had to run from a pit bull before. - I think some sweet pit, some of them, some of them are nice. So then let me ask you this. What was the time when you got called a nigga to your face in, in street port? - Do you ever want to talk about this? - Yes. - All right, all right, man, all right. Let me see how I can say this story. All right. First weekend, I start working at the street port times. All right. And some of the co-workers that were there, they were like, yo, we're gonna go out and bowl this weekend. Do you want to come with us? I was like, hell yeah, you know, I'm just a new place. I'm just trying to learn people. And really the thing was I went because one of the girls was really cute, okay? And so anyway, we go to, oh man, I hope my wife didn't hear this story. I mean, 'cause she does not, she does not like me. It's saying anything about this shit. But anyway, so we went, we played bowling and I was just, I was, I was, I was, I will say, it was one of the most charming nights ever as a human being. Like I was just rolling. I wasn't even high. Like I was just, I was on my shit, man. And so we left the bowling alley, it's late. The other co-workers left, but the cute girl that says, she said, well, do you wanna go to the ah-hat? At the, you know, over there on the Louisiana Board, walking Boja City. I say, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's go. So we went, got in there, was sitting in the waiting area. And like, four drunk white guys are coming in. And they're like, one of them was like, I'll fight any fucking nigga in here. You know, all this kind of shit and he's kind of, you know, doing all that. And first I didn't hear him. I'm like, what are you saying? And then he said it again and I stood up, okay? And then that's when the IHOT person came in and I was like, no, you guys, you can't come in here. You can get out of here with all that stuff, whatever. So, so that's what happened. Now, I remember, I remember one young brother came in and I'll never forget this shit. He's like 16 years old. And human is boy's cave man. And I, he was like, what happened? And I was like, yo, man, he was out here saying nigga. And he's like, man, I want to kick him in his neck. I was never gonna get him saying that shit. So I didn't want to get in the neck. I would kick him in his neck. I was like, that's funny, you know? And he was like, good night. Remember a very memorable night. In that situation, you stood up. - Yeah, you stood up. - I stood up. - Yeah, respect. - Respect. - I stood up. - 'Cause that's dope. 'Cause remember in the sopranos, I won't lay down. I'll step up. That's what you did, like Beansy did. - Yeah. - How's it going? - I was gonna think of the sopranos, but yeah. - Oh, yeah, what? - Ever since, bro. - Tell me, you would love the sopranos. - You think so? - Yeah. - I should give it a shot. - You right. It's a great shot. - When I'm, I mean, grind tape season. So whenever this is over, I'd get to that. - I got a lot of things on my list. - You're trying to take last draft take that you have. Like, what's something that you're like? There's a player. There's something out there that you're like, this is what I'm keeping my eye on as we get to the NFL draft on Thursday. - Well, I mean, there's two things. One, I hope Jeremiah love goes to a team. I wish it was like a typical year for running back where they went lower in the draft. - It sounds like Arizona. I mean, the scuttle butt that I'm getting is Arizona at three. - I just, man, I love running back so much, man. I just, I think the NFL is so cool when there's good running back. 'Cause I was, you know, dreamed of being a runner back myself. And I would just hate for him to get buried behind a bad offensive line. Like, you know, watching Ashton Gentile last year, he was solid, but it was sort of disappointing. Well, I'm just like, what did you expect him to do? You know? - They also tried to change a lot about what he was doing. - Man, I don't know what you're talking about right now. - I was fucking with this stance. I was like, lean a man alone. Like, he's him alone. He's fine. Anyway, that's why Chip Keller didn't last very long there. - Right. - Anyway, so yeah, man. So yeah, that's my top line thing. 'Cause you had written on our sheet here, Tate, Hidden Gym. And I wanna give a shout out to Bud Clark Safety Out of TCU. I had four on T's this year. I ran a four, four, one at the combine. He did everything right. He's a six year senior. He was one of the standouts at the senior bowl. Everybody talked about how dope he was and how good he was and how professional he was. I'm gonna miss him at TCU, but I think he's gonna be a fantastic pro. Like, I think he's just, you know, he's not ideal size, which is probably why he's not going as high, you know, as his play and his record would probably demand, but I think he's gonna be doing really well in the league. - Okay, I like it. TCU shout, Hidden Gym, Van Anya, the last thoughts on the draft, any Hidden Gyms, anybody else? - I can't wait. - Okay. - I can't wait. This is gonna be the last year of the LSU draft where coming back, baby, you know, you know, Sam, Sam Levitt? - Yeah. - You were to see 40 million dollars coming back with the vengeance. You love to see it? - Yeah. - I think that the, I think that the second it was, I think that the, I think that the, I think that the second it was story kind of sucked, the first one was Delta. - Yeah, the first one was better. - Wait, wait, what was better? - The first one was better. The first it was still. - More in throat, yeah. - Take, have you ever called anyone in word before? - My basketball teams had always tried to give me the pass and I'm like, I'm good, man. This is a trend. - I already tried to make you say it. - Oh yeah, they're like, they're like, what's all you said? - I know what the mascot of your basketball team was. The Coons. - Vikings, they just wanted, they wanted to see it, you know, they, you wait, when you're at it. When you're the one white, when you're the one white, they're trying to get you. - I never understood. - That's the, that's the younger generation thing, man, 'cause I mean, I just, I can't, I can't understand kids being like, yeah, man, go ahead and say it, bro, go. I mean, I don't know. - No, it's always a trap, though, you know. Like you just gotta see what happened. I never heard a white person say the end words. I went to private school and middle school. And then they were saying it all the time and I was like, damn, they need to go to public school. - Oh no, oh no. - White people need to talk more about this. 'Cause really, I'm really always curious about how much is being said. And your van, and van obsesses over this, obviously. Like he's talked about how many times a person said the end word or not. - It was like Malibu's born in when I went to private school. - Take, take, take, take, hold on for a second. The essence, when. - Hey, what man? - They were saying it, hold on, wait a second, huh? When they were saying it, did you stand in the gap for us? - Yeah, I was just like, yo, I'm wild. - Hold on, 'cause listening to the jeans is one thing. When they were saying it, did you stand up? (laughs) - Hey, yo, yo, did you stand up and say it? - I said, cut it out, guys. - All right, guys. - Yeah. - I'm gonna try to keep the camera straight and go. So van, air time, more fucks been sitting around talking to her, calling women, bitches. If you stand up and be like, man, yo, don't call. Don't do that, you. - Can I be real? - Yeah. (laughs) - Yeah. - I'ma be all the way real. - Okay, yeah. - No. - Yeah. (laughs) - But, but I will say that like, for whatever reason, I know people are not gonna believe me. But for whatever reason, in my crew, in like Louisiana, we did not call women bitches like that. Like, nobody was, now, hoes is different. Like, with everybody hoes is different. - Yeah, I mean. - But everybody was kind of a ho, right? Like, women would call men hoes and stuff like that. Hoes was different, hoes was different. Hollin' that hoes, people would say stuff like that. All of that stuff. That's one thing. - Hoes was so many things. Hoes was so many things, but like, to call a woman to refer to a woman as a bitch. - Yeah, it's a white, it's white. - That was a sorry dog. Like, that, like, that we wouldn't do in no ton of that where I was from. Like, is that what the West Coast dudes were doing in the '90s or something? - I honestly don't know. - Yeah. - I honestly don't know what I'm from. I can't remember. Niggas, I mean, yeah, bitches is doing, nah, fuck no. Like, no, no, not at all, not at all. - It's a little bit too out of the North. It's like when people would use the Slayer for gay folks, and I was just like, yo, what the fuck is wrong with you? Like, where is this coming from? - Just really out of pocket. - Yeah, it's out of pocket. Like, why are you even using that word? - It's a red scratch. - Yeah, mm-hmm. - Wait a second. So, you stood up at that time. - What time? - So, someone says that word and you stand up, but someone says the it word and you let it slide. I stood up that time that I was actually called the inword. I don't consider that as being called the inword. He was using the term as a term of endearment in the way that I'll use it. And I was just like, he has a comfort with this word that I'm just not going to dispute tonight. - Yeah, you know what I'm saying? - It's tough. - It's tough. - It's tough. The draft we wrapped it up. I think we're all excited for the draft and we'll react to the draft next week. Once we have the it's hard to I hate to predict things I like to react to things so I mean trying to predict what's gonna happen the draft just feels like a few tall journey so you know let's get to some headlines of the week there's some fastening stuff that came out first up Thai Simpson says he considers staying in college for six and a half million dollars and offer that he got from the Miami hurricanes and he was talked out of going to Miami by his old coach Nick Saban was this good advice from Nick Saban man. No, that's what I'm saying. I'm like that's a great offer. And no way shape or form like not in any way for everything that I've said about a college football about what's happening with the money and all of that stuff he should have went to Miami play one year but with a team has got a lot of talent. It's going to have to do some retool and of course he should have done it six and a half million. He should have done it. Yeah. It's like Quinn yours when he went to you know go I think you got draft in the fifth round. He got four million dollar offer from Bill Belichick turned it down. I mean now they might have been worse for him but again you get four million dollars better than not making much money there so six and a half million guaranteed sounds pretty good Joe. Yeah, I mean one more year being an important football player six point five million in Miami you know he told you first off you're going to have a good line. You're going to have a lot of talent in my life. Yeah bro yeah you were just you're going to have six and a half million dollars in Miami bro like I mean I don't know where he's going to go in the trust yeah I don't I don't know he's going to go into NFL now he's probably going to be a late first round pick possibly but you know the other thing about tell us oh the shit man he's 23 I think he's 23 23 Karsten Beck's 24 so I know you're later you're Karsten Beck's age Karsten Beck ain't going to be a first round draft pick. Well he's going to be a third round. That is the only thing. The only thing is don't you just want to go ahead and start your journey as an NFL player you know see if you can get the second contract as an NFL. Oh here we go. Oh Bill has got thoughts. Oh I go look at that. No can I ask you guys a question so I was thinking about this earlier too so it gets a six and a half for one year right if he's a second round draft pick I think he gets eight to ten over like four years right but if he goes to Miami he goes into the draft next year he's what number quarter back? Because right now he's a second best quarter back but if he goes into a class with Trinidad Chanolis archmaning like where does he get more really good point and how far down does he fall in the draft he doesn't kind of prove himself. That's true. He's probably going to go 30 this draft he'll probably end up going to the back door of the first round. It could just be an opportunity thing where he knows he's not going to go that high next year so let me just get into the league and get more money guaranteed over more time. Also way less pressure right like if you go to Miami they pay you this money they're like we expect to be competing for national championships. If you're not good everyone's like it's your fault Carson Beck was even good here so I see the vision maybe Nick Sabin was right. I mean I think I don't I don't think that he could make a bad decision under these circumstances but it sounds more fun admittedly to go to Miami I'm six and a half. It's also just more fun to be in college like he's not even going to have to go to class really man you know and that leads us to our next headline. Riley Leonard former Notre Dame quarterback and Duke quarterback in the day he said quote I'm definitely making way less with the Colts. In quote Joel it may kind of confirms that maybe it's better to get the money in college. I mean look man I mean he was worth more to Notre Dame than he is to the Colts you know and Notre Dame is one of the biggest and I would argue that in terms of like branding around the world around the country Notre Dame is a bigger brand than the Indianapolis Colts. Right. It was the largest Catholic University in the world so yeah like you want he definitely made a good decision going to Notre Dame and yeah. I mean this is why I think that older guys sticking around and playing in cost football is a good thing we're getting older better players and if the college is more money than they do in the NFL. Yeah we're making more money than they do in the NFL. Yeah and I mean that's that's why I always just think it's sort of a crime. The Vince Youngs the Johnny Manzels the Andrew Luxe that they didn't get an opportunity to cash in a Reggie Bush get to tap into all the money that they could have made in college. We were talking about that. We should go back at some point in the off season and just try to figure out NIL valuations for all those games. Imagine what Tim Teebo would have made people through the roof. Yeah. Bush to the roof. Yeah it's like $20 million. Adrian Peterson through the roof. But you know who else though. No wells though a couple of guys that didn't pan out as much as you thought they would have Jimmy Clawson and Matt Barkley guys like that. Yeah. Would have been just like ridiculously overpayed. They were so sought after. Yeah. Yeah I feel like Jimmy Clawson would have made like yeah $10 million to go back to Notre Dame or something. Oh yeah Chris Sims would have got I mean just you know just every major Apple White would have been he would have had opportunity to be a millionaire as a player. Yeah. I mean I mean we'll always came to go to Auburn. You know what I mean like it was $250,000 or at least that was what everyone said it was. It's probably closer like $10,000. No nobody was bigger than Ricky Williams bro. Like I remember being in Texas when he was down there he was a man. Yeah but no I mean yeah Ricky Williams should would have been a millionaire. He would have been a millionaire many times over in college but you know again it's just different times. Yeah it's crazy. I feel like we should do that at some point that would be fun. Next up speaking of Notre Dame C.J. Carr apparently put on a scrimmage performance for the ages. He had a lot of tweets obviously a lot of Notre Dame media around covering one of the biggest programs but they were all coming out saying how incredible he looked saying that it looked like he already knew the plays and the defense was drumming up. Van I wanted to get your thoughts on how much you read into a scrimmage performance and should this be as hyped as it is. Look he's a quarterback that people are putting a lot of expectation and thought into and the only thing he could do was go out and play well. So if you play well fucking play well. I know that sounds like an almost non-take but what are you supposed to make of it. It's a story if he plays bad it's got to be a story if he plays well. If he goes out there and he's thrown against you know other action and he can't make the reeds he can't make the throws it's going to be a huge deal. If he's going out there and he's throwing on air and he's the ball spraying all over the place it's going to be a huge deal. So by that metric if it's going to be a huge deal if he fails it's got to be a huge deal if he succeeds. You know how much Notre Dame is able to orient his offense around him this year we'll see but I mean if I was an Irish fan I would like be over the moon that you have a quarterback that people are raving about. What do you think about Marcus Freeman doing the magazine spread. Hey that's what I mean look Marcus is like Marcus is like is he the top sexy coach of college football. Joe Joe I think you're the expert here your thoughts. Yeah Joe I don't know why I'm the expert then let me look hold on I'm looking at it. It just depends on who does his hair cut. It's a lot of hairline questions more than anything but I don't think that matters. He's the hottest though. He's the hottest. Who's the hottest coach in college football Joe? Give me a top the top three. I don't have a top. Give me a top three first and then I'll do mine. Well you got Freeman got to be in there. He's up there. Okay Freeman got to be in there. Freeman got to be in there. I'm trying to think I kind of don't remember what dues be looking like. You know Bob Chesney. There's a much spryer. Bob Chesney. Bob Chesney. There we go. Let's put it in the top three. Bob Chesney is in there. Oh yeah Bob Chesney. Look at Bob Chesney guys. Bob Chesney is doing this thing. He's a good looking guy. Bob Chesney in there. So Joe. Okay. That's a good call from Joe. He like him. Bob Chesney. Try to think of some of the bigger coach. You got to give any love to Lane Kippen because he made the list. I feel like Lincoln Riley and Lane Kippen want to be on the list. Not the Riley. They want to be on the list. Yeah. I feel like they don't know that Lincoln. Yeah. They do. I don't feel like they quite on the list though for what we're talking about. If we're talking about Freeman and the Chesney situation. Hey, what about the young man from Arizona state? Oh, no. I'm kidding. He's young. He's young. You like him. He's young. Okay. I feel like coach. I feel like coach private want to be on the list. Also, I think coach. Coach. Coach Thomas. That's a legacy. He's a very handsome dude. He is. He is. Handsome man. Handsome man. That's a legacy though. That's a legacy in terms of that. I feel like this is somebody else that we miss. Let's reach out to the tailgators out. Not Ryan. Let us know who the right day is. Ryan Day is a hot boy. Oh, Billy. Gump, but not for God and Sherone Moore would have been on the list probably right? No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. You know, you got to line up and be heard like a white like you got a white wife. That's what Marcus Freeman's problem is. You know. What do you mean? That's what his problem is. A black woman would get that line shit straight a little better than what he got. They're just because they just don't know. They don't care. He's got the Jalen Brown going on a little bit. I want to rank her.com and I'm going to be honest with you. Yeah, we got to get off. I bought one of the five days. Bonafide says, we got two of the top three. We got Marcus Freeman and number three is Bob Chesney. Damn, okay. We got two of the top three. Some of these other guys are not head coaches. We only count head coaches. Six though, before we get off this, before we get off this, can I interest you guys in Dan Laning? Nah. I didn't think that one. I mean, he came to mind as like a coach, I could be in the mix, but he's top six. Who's number two? Who's number two? Who's number two? He's the number two coordinator. Number six is a guy named Vic Solto, who is the linebacker's coach at Cal. Who made this list by the really? This is ranker. You never go to ranker before? Okay, I got you. What do you think about Krista Ball? I mean, if it's like a big bear, you know, he looks like a handsome sheriff. What? He looks like a handsome sheriff. Like in some chaps and stuff? I don't chaps. Is that what sheriff's wearing in Florida? In Miami-Dade? In Miami-Dade? Some spurs. No. He can talk to him. He can talk to him around. For sure. Okay, you guys, really, I mean. If you tell us all Krista Ball, we're going to have this. You don't think you think you could tussle with Krista Ball? Oh, of course not. Okay. Okay. Krista Ball, nice. He's a former lineman. Come on. All right. So the top three is Freeman, Lanning and Chesney. Yeah. Freeman, Lanning, Chesney. Freeman seems like he's number one with a bullet, though. I feel like he's number one. And then there's like a huge drop off. Like a huge guy. Yeah. He's doing all right. Yeah. No wonder he's doing magazine shoots. Love to see that. We mentioned Coach Prime. I wanted to get your thoughts on this, Joel. And I wanted just to hear you say our name again. Coach Prime, looking healthy and happy with Karuchie. Yeah, man. Karuchie. Say it how you say it. Karuchie. That's what I say. No, you say it. You say like karate chop. No, I just say it. Like I say Karuchie. Karuchie. Good for him. Good for him. Karuchie is gorgeous. Like he looks happy. I'm happy for the health and happiness and success of Coach Prime. Yeah, man. Good for him, man. I thought that was good to see. And like you said, he's supporting Jordan Tyson. It seems like he's in a good headspace. So Coach Prime. Yeah, man. He's trying to pull him for you here on Ringertel. Yeah, we got to get Coach Prime on the show. Let him have a space to vent. You know, you got it. You got his sunglasses. So I mean, it's just so we should be in there. Yeah, we got to reach out. I don't know. I don't think. I don't think I can pull the interview. But we'll reach out to Alice. And we'll see what can happen. Next story, Blue Sky experienced major outage. Dozens of users were impacted. Joel. Dozens. Also all the users. What was your day like when Blue Sky went down? You know, I don't spend as much time on Blue Sky as you think. I'm actually. I'm. You know what I can. You turn your back on. So you're not one of the dozen. Joel, you ain't shit, bro. No, like you came on. You're talking about. No, I still go on there. I still go on Blue Sky. You turn your back. You turn your back. I haven't turned my back on. You were skiing everywhere in the fall. I'm skiing everywhere. And now you don't fuck with him anymore. You back on Twitter. Are you people? I'm not on Twitter today. I'm not on Twitter as much as you think. I'm on. I'm on Blue Sky on Twitter about as much as I used to be most of it for work. And then it's just like with shit. There's some people on Twitter that I still recognize. And I don't see them on Blue Sky. So I interact them. I really like Blue Sky. And when I do my Saturday college football tweet rundown. I do. It's going to be on Blue Sky. That is the home. It's kind of bringing back a feeling. Threads. Threads is bringing back 2012, 2013, 2014, Twitter. I'm with it. People say what they want on threads is not. Yeah. People go crazy. I got distal threads. People be dissing me on threads. I like that. Do you? Yeah. Vand runs to the smoke, which we appreciate. So do you. Yeah. I don't run from the smoke. Yeah. That's not it. I mean, unless it's Paul. No, my problem. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. Hey. Hey. Do you want to have a problem with me? No, I'm just having fun. Okay. All right. I'm just having fun. We had a great Saturday. Bill said he wanted you to have lunch with him. I mean, it's good. Did he say that? No, before you got on. Then he said he didn't like to be waiting. So. Yeah. I think he rescinded the invitation. Can I ask you a question? No. Also, we got to hurry up. This is going much longer than expected. And. All right. We'll wrap it up right here. You got a babysitter. Yeah. Sorry. Billy, Billy, go ahead. So you have this reputation, Joel, being a cook. I think that has been established on the show. So. My question is, like, with the situation with Paul and all of that, like, you had an opportunity to come in here. And watch. Band and Bill. Do a show on your set. And you chose not to. You left. You didn't want to watch that time. I didn't. Okay. First of all, too far. Second of all. I did. No. Oh, man. They scream. Look at it. It's screaming. I got. I'm getting text messages. Anyway. No. I heard I professionally. I mean, of course. Yeah. When I clicked on that fucking link, they would. I saw Bill talking. I didn't see anybody else. I'm like, oh, shit. I want this link. Bill's talking. They must be recording. So that's why I got. I hopped out of the link. Because I was like, was shit. I don't want to be. I don't know how the zooms work. So I didn't know if you guys were actively recording something. And it would mean that if I said something, it would mess it up. Whatever. So I clicked out. You know, but no. You didn't say something though. You guys are going to have to decide if either I fight all the time. Or if I don't fight all the time. You guys go. No, no, no, no. You guys are going to have to. We can't even get into this. Because I'm looking at. Oh, oh, oh. Oh, oh, oh, oh. You have to meet you of a public. But next. Next. Next show. We'll get into this. Take. Put a pin in this. Yeah. Next show. We get into this. Because there's an answer here. Well, because we'll go another 45 minutes. I know you don't want that. I'm looking at the chicken salad sandwich at publics. Oh, da da. But like it. But the turkey. The turkey is. It's a public. This public shit looks good. It's public. Is it crazy? This. They got a whole fucking million. Public. Public sandwich is very popular. It's very popular in that part of the country. I didn't realize it was a very expensive one. You know what I was saying? Oh, man. Fried chicken is really good, too. That goes just so well. It smells really good when you walk in there. Well, I like this as kind of a cliffhanger. We need more cliffhanger zone ringer tailgate for the next episode. Keep people hooked in. So we'll come back next week. We'll kind of go through this whole thing with Joel. We'll identify what's going on here. Shout out to everybody for tuning into the show. Thanks to Bill Simmons for coming on the show. It's first ringer tailgate experience. Joel's got to go deal with the babysitter. We hope everybody has a great week and we will see you all next week. [Music] Must be 21 or older and president select states for Kansas and affiliation with Kansas, star casino or 18 and older and president DC, Kentucky or Wyoming. 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