Bill Kristol: They're F*cking Thieves

(upbeat music) - Hello and welcome to the Bollower Daily. I'm your host Tim Miller. It is Monday. I'm delighted to get to see my man Bill Crystal again. We were just together in Ohio on Friday and Saturday. We're gonna have a bunch for you on that at the end of the show and then in segment two, we're gonna put a little bit from our live show and date in my conversation with Patrick Gasbard, longtime Democratic operative, his family is from Haiti and was really grateful he was able to come to Ohio to be part of it. So, hey Bill, how you doing? - I'm fine Tim, how are you? - I'm doing pretty good, all things considered. We saw some sad stuff in Ohio. We're also saw some sad stuff on our televisions this weekend if you're watching sports. The government is now doing just fully kind of taxpayer funded 1984 propaganda, paid for by the U.S. government. We played one of the clips on the show last week and this was airing on Fox News. And for some reason that was like a little less offensive to me and it did hurt my feelings that my tax dollars were being paid for this ad but it's like, well, Fox News is just propaganda anyway. But this weekend they had a new ad out which we cannot play for you because it's Trump's voice and I don't wanna give them any more attention. But it's Trump walking down a hallway kind of like the shining, looking very creepy where a voiceover of him saying we will demolish the deep state, expel the war mongers from our government. We will route the fake news media and it had a disclaimer paid for by the U.S. government which means paid for by you and me. That was airing during football this weekend. - Yeah, and it was literally a 2024 campaign ad, right? Did they ticker with it even a tiny bit I think maybe or maybe not at all? But you know, these do all these constraints and when I was in the White House, you remember this campaign. So I mean, you know, government money attack, yes, opposed to campaign or political money and strict segregating and the travel for obviously TV ads, you could not use a political ad as a government public service and that's what that's supposed to be sort of, hey, you know, if you're on the 65. - This isn't even a public service. - Yeah, right. - What government's supposed to put on the air is, hey, if you're over 65, you should remember get your flu shot, you know, not Trump, not propaganda. It is someone commented on Twitter that it was like, "Orban did this a lot." He controlled government of two thirds of the media, I think, in Hungary and they were massive amounts of Orban ads, you know, masquerading as government service announcements and paid for it by the taxpayers of Hungary and it didn't help them in the last election. So maybe that's encouraging. - It is outrageous on its face. Like it is a total affront and Ted Cruz his entire body would have combust it. You know, he would have spontaneously combust it. Had Barack Obama done something like this. Looks like love you in the background and one of them and the other one talking about, you know, how great he is. So it's totally outrageous, insane to spend our money on this. But your point, I just think it is a political matter on this being an old ad. In some ways it kind of reveals how much he's failed his promises and betrayed his voters. And going back to those lines, we will demolish the deep state. Really, I guess maybe some people will feel that way if all they've met by the deep state was like the liberals that were going after Trump and the DOJ, but certainly I don't think anyone, even Trump people think that they've cleaned up DC corruption or the swamp will expel the war mongers from our government. - Yes. - They couldn't, they couldn't have changed that line. I don't know, we're in a war right now. On that level, it wasn't to me a particularly compelling like piece of persuasion. - No, it's kind of bizarre actually. I had the same, when I skimmed the text, I can't, you don't show the Trumps voice. I can't even watch it privately, you know. So I didn't watch it, but I read it. They have enough money in Trump world to do a fresh 30 second ad. Touting whatever they think they can tout, right? It's kind of crazy to have an ad saying we're expeling the war mongers and the next voice is saying, I don't accept this bad proposal from Iran. I'd be start the bombing again the day after election day, you know, so. - The other thing just about the skill of corruption is this would have been hard to fund either. And there are plenty of people that are shaking down, and they could just put this up their super PAC. They have plenty of money in their super PAC. There are plenty of rich people that are trying to get in Trump's good favor. It's almost like rubbing in our face that we can do this with your money, you know. It's pretty sick. - I mean, you mentioned that Ted Cruz would be exploding if a bomb, previous administrations, people would not have done it. I mean, that is to say, there would have been many staffers, let's just begin with White House Council, but I mean, everyone who you can't do this, and people would have, I would have said you can't, if you're insisting on doing this, I'm gone. I mean, you can't. There's an actual law that specifies no use of appropriations. And every year's appropriations will allow you to government funds for personal political propaganda. But it's so beyond the pale of what anyone has done that there's nothing about the Trump administration, right? Trump didn't personally produce the ad. Trump didn't personally place the buy from the White House. Trump didn't personally add the disclaimer paid for by the US government. People are going along and enabling this. Very, very few people seem to be deciding this is beyond the pale, right? - You mentioned the budget. I just think this is just another thing for the weekend worth mentioning. So if you remember, I was about to say from Trump one. It feels like it's from Trump one. From the first few months of this second administration, which feels like a hundred years ago, the big story was doge, but that was kind of the clownish version of what Elon was doing. What Russ Vote was doing were these decisions. It was like a big part of Project 2025 and like what that they had been planning for. We just got learned at the end of the week, and we Friday, like the scale of the decisions they had planned, and what the decisions are, is like the means that Congress appropriated funds for X in X, Y, and Z in the budget. And the federal government just decides, eh, we're not going to do X, right? Like basically the agencies decide on themselves. We're not going to appropriate those funds. So we learned it was about 810 million dollars in the latest round of pocket decisions. Our friends Susan Collins who, you know, I mean for only, we learned last week from a public that only takes a couple million bucks to get her to, to get you a very big government contract. So she was unhappy about this. Without warning her consultation, the LMB has, has, you know, cut these this 810 million. This undermines Congress's constitutional power of the purse, et cetera, et cetera. And obviously she's the head of the Appropriations Committee voted to confirm Russ Vote. And, like, now is just left to limply criticize us. Does kind of undermine her core argument for reelection. But it's pretty crazy if this stuff is happening and given all of the like more public outrage, it slides out of the radar level. - Now I really say, as Sarah said, and you said it's really sticking in our face. I mean, 800 million dollars is on the one hand, a lot of money on the other hand, it's not much money compared to the massive deficit. So they could have got ahead and spent it. They didn't have to, you know, I mean, maybe they don't, they don't like the programs fine, but so they really just sticking it in people's face. You know what, we're not following the law. We're not obeying all these practices that have been in for a lot of decisions were ruled unconstitutional, I think at a legal 40, 50 years ago, Nixon tried to do it at a broad scale. Way, way, way back when, if the education department, where I was chief of staff, if someone appropriated money for, I don't even know what, so, you know, some certain set of funding programs for schools. It turned out we didn't need that much money that year, if there were fewer people who were eligible, whatever, right? You know, and then you would call, you would get in touch with the senate appropriations people and say, you know what, we're gonna be programmed this money here or you can have this money back in a sense. So, this wasn't a crazy thing in the sense that a budget appropriation at the beginning of the year made up the exactly what you end up needing. But it's supposed to be a cooperative thing with Congress to save a little bit of money. And instead, they're just doing it to program as they don't like, to show that they can do it. But I think that's the key. This isn't like a, you know, right? Well, and also to feel powerful, like a little rest vote who is a, you know, creep, who is stuffed in a locker in high school, like a chance to, you know, have power. He's like a mall cop, you know, kind of getting problems for our kids who are just hanging out outside the mall, you know, drunk on his own power. Well, hopefully he doesn't come as one of the centers that goes down. There were many, many shocking things that we saw and learned in our trip to Ohio. But it's possible that the craziest thing that I heard was JVL surprising me on stage with the fact that he thinks that the Democrats could get 56 senators at the edge of this. That was like, what happened to dark JVL? What happened to Mr. pessimism? That, you know, everything's over. The world orders over, the democracy's over. He thinks the Democrats can get 56 senators. So obviously that would require season Collins losing and a much expanded map. I wanna just talk a little bit at the big picture about, I mean, are you as high on their own supplies JVLs right now? >> You know, if you're as dark as JVL when you veer to the sunny side, you overdo it, right? Does JVL sort of, that's sort of psychological phenomenon. It's like he thought Biden was a great JVL in early 2024. >> I love JVL, look at me wrong. He's a very super shrewd and smart analyst of so many things about our politics. But anyway, I've always been as bullish on the wave and think the wave would be, talk the wave would be bigger than people expected. I think it is proving to be and you just see every week and moves up a point or two in the generic and the Trump's approval. Never, it has so far it hasn't reversed at all, right? Usually there's a little bit of a bear market rally is the way I used to think of it. You've been through these campaigns where you get, you know, you're doing well, you're gating, then there's a little reversal for a week. Everyone panics and then it turns out the reversal was kind of a fake reversal. I keep expecting that to happen this time, honestly. It often happens late September kind of, there's a little bit of a reversion to the mean, which then gets overtaken by the actual wave and undertow. But there's been no reversion to that. to me. And so I do think it's a big wave. And a lot of states are in play. If they all broke in the right way, you could get to that kind of, get to that kind of number in the Senate, I think. I want to talk about what that would look like in a second, but just a few news. I just the weekend about kind of, I think why we're not seeing that, you know, little false rally for Republicans. I mean, the economic news just does not get any better. I'm particularly on the coast side. We have this morning, the 10 year bond deal. It's the highest. It's been in two decades and keeps going up and up and up. And I would say this during the Biden administration, like it really does make people feel like the economy is bad when interest rates are this high. And in addition to how it's those investment and all the other macro stuff, that's for Catherine Pell, I'm more about kind of people's vibes on the vibe side. It's like, you, you feel stuck. It's like if you want to down, if you want to downsize your house, because you're retiring, you can't do it. If you want your kids to get a house, they can't do it. If you want to move to another town, or you get a better job, you're like, God, I'll be making 20 grand more if I get this job in a different place. But I'm going to lose all that in the interest on the mortgage that's going to cost to get out. Right. So like all of this stuff matters. So you have that ramping up. And this obviously integrates with what's happening with the war. But you know, we wind over the weekend that there were eight US Marines injured and previously unreported September 14th, Iranian anti-ship cruise missile attack on a vessel in the straight of four moves. And so it's like this whole time where they're talking about, oh, the straight is open. Like, oh, the blockade, you know, is working. You even have best in today. It might be two weeks. It's always two weeks until the Iranian economy collapses. And it's like, no, like during all of this time, we had a ship attacked and US soldiers injured, you know, trying to keep the straight open. And so like, obviously that has impacts both on people's assessment of what's happening with the war, but, you know, on the economy back up. No, I was really shocked by that story. I mean, I need to look at it in more detail. But that's recent, right? That's like 12 days or two or 14 days. Yeah. I was once again, we knew that they hadn't reported stuff back in the early days of the war. And we had sort of a internalized the notion that they weren't candid then. I guess I've superbly thought that, okay, maybe they could feel now they can't keep covering stuff up. But they're just they continue to lie routinely, right? At the defense department, that's not good. All right, everybody, with the humidity and Louisiana, you know, always looking for some clothes that are going to help make it as comfy as possible. 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So because of that, I think because of the continued bad news and economic and more front, I think this is what is really underpinning, you know, additional dem gains and hope of dem gains. It's an interesting chart over the weekend that looked at the house races. And because of the way Jerry Bandrave worked, this is, you know, that word dummy mandor that was being thrown around. Part of the reason why this was thrown around is that, you know, like, you can only do so much as Jerry Bandrave. Like the people have to go somewhere. And so what a lot of the smart so-called smarts on the Republican side or a few they have left to, you know, that the people were able to count and look at maps. Like what they did was they would try to take districts that were let's say, you know, that Trump won by 20 or 25, for example. And then you looked at a district that maybe Trump won by three. And so that's total of 28. Well, now we'll make it, you know, Trump 15 and 13. Right? Like this is, I'm just doing this off the top of my head. And so because of that, you have this huge swath of races that is like somewhere between like Trump plus nine and Trump plus 16. Right? And right now the Democratic generic ballot is like Democrats plus eight. You know, and so like they're right on the cusp of this thing where if they can kind of get through this Jerry Mandering Valley and win these races that are Trump nine, 10, 11, like a lot could fall. And this is where you go from kind of a nice night from the Democrats to like, oh my god, like wave night. And we really are on the cusp of that right now. And so we thought it'd be fun. You thought it'd be fun. This was your idea to kind of look at a couple of races, either in the House or the Senate. I'm focusing on the House, where, you know, each week for the next few weeks, you know, the caduce a little extra attention where we predict good things could happen for the Democrats, but maybe, you know, listeners could help give a little nudge. So what are your thoughts on kind of just that general overall kind of map analysis and then go ahead and give us what ratio looking at? Yeah, very much agree on the map analysis. We all look at the generic and it's plus eight. It doesn't really occur to us that story that of course in 2024, the generic was plus two Republican, right? And the Republicans won all the House races by net net it added about two points nationally, Trump won by a point and a half. So plus eight is really a 10 point shift from the last election they had. So if it's in the same district, you should probably be deducting 10 points, not eight from the margin that the candidate had. And then the redistricting thing is no more complicated. It was hard to get to construct what the district would have been back then, but you're right. And also trends are different in different states. You know, like we're seeing just so far, we'll see how trends happen. The polls for some reason, you know, in the Northeast in particular, and some of the kind of like these upper Midwest states, the numbers don't look quite as stark as they do in a lot of the Sun belt states and, you know, Mountain West. The wave is stronger in red states. I think that makes the blue wave. And I think that makes sense for you to take about a few seconds. You know, in a way, a Republican, I mean, Democrats are max already maxed out in a lot of these other states, right? And so I think it's good if that's the case. Of course, the Democrats want the wave to happen in the states that are competitive. They don't need a wave in to increase their margin in Massachusetts. Right. So well, but this is what I think also just speaks to that average. Like this is when we're talking about our plus 10, it's the median. But to get to our plus 10, like let's say, if in New York, it's in some big states like New York and California, and then, you know, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, you know, they're not main Republicans are only plus six. That means that Democrats are only plus six. You and I still have occasionally, I do this. Do I slip into that assuming that it's the Republicans are the plus side? Yes, all right. Jeans are only plus six. Then that means in other states, they're plus 12, 13, right? You know what I mean? Right. Totally. Yeah, that's okay. Okay. Why don't you give us your seat? You want to go first? You got to go first. You go first. So I have a Senate race, actually, and this is totally crazy. It's a great place to start. Totally crazy. Yeah, I'm going out in a limb. You know, it's easy to say, okay, Iowa, Alaska, Texas, you can even go to the Kansas. This is the world. You can go one step further. The Mississippi is James Carval's big. I miss Mississippi. A couple of the states like that, Nebraska is strong and dependent candidate. I'm going all the way to Idaho, Trump plus 36, 2024. Jim Rish, the incumbent one by 30 in 2020. So I'm eligible. Okay, Jim Rish. Jim Rish is running for reelection. He's done no events to speak of as a candidate. He almost never shows up at Idaho. It seems he's chairman of foreign relations. So he has 2Ds allegedly and that does a fair amount of international travel. Jim Rish is 83 years old. He's a career politician. He's 83 years. He's Mitch McConnell's age. And he's asking the voters of Idaho to send it back for at other six years. Kind of astounding. I've seen some polling now. It's admittedly polling from a Democratic firm, but has him underwater in terms of favorability at Idaho personally. He just hasn't been touched there. Kind of an absentee old guy. Senator, you know, and Trump is underwater at Idaho. That's really astounding if that's true. But anyway, in this one poll, he was. And it seems like a reputable poll. It may be a little bit tilted in a democratic direction. His opponent is Todd Achilles, who is an independent. So this is one of the states Nebraska, South Dakota, and Idaho are the three where the Democratic party got it together. And Montana, and Montana, they did. They're the independent candidate could end up de facto being the Democrats. The Democrat might collapse. And those other three, the Democrat Democratic candidate have a woman nomination literally pulled out. So he's not here. She's there's no Democrat on the ballot, which means it's really just a Republican against an incumbent. There are a couple of swall, the third fourth party libertarian types and so forth. And Todd Achilles is running, and I looked at his website. He's running as an independent veteran for the United States Senate. He's a veteran. Very impressive guy. My young mid-40s, a genuine independence. As you He just won't caucus with either party. So he's got as far as you can go to give Idahoans a chance to vote for a Democrat, which they don't seem to have wanted to do for a few decades, to vote for an independent, running as a moderate voice for change. And there's polling that shows the race, basically even. I mean, it's hard to believe. And again, maybe at the end of the day, the Republicans come home, et cetera, et cetera. It's also an attractive Democratic candidate for governor there, which might make that race a little bit competitive, a Mormon woman who's pro-choice, and there's an abortion rights referendum on the ballot. And Idaho is one of those states up in that area, which are more libertarian than you would think on some of these social issues. Yeah. And Boise is growing. Huge growth in Boise, like a ton of people from like California and stuff over there. So the person I talked to in Idaho said he thought that would help that they think that abortion rights referendum could pass. Idaho voted 61% to increase Medicaid eligibility when that was always being voted. Remember, that was a big issue in the late Trump first term. When the Republican legislature said, no, we don't want any part of that Medicaid expansion. And the Idaho voters said, yeah, you know what, we'd like to have that federal money. You know, that was a member of a big ideological fight. So I don't know. Put all that together. Maybe Idaho would be in play. Wouldn't that be something? Are you sure Jim Risha's alive? I do. I don't know. You know, I have not personally looked into this, but we could do this before next Monday. I'll double check on this. This segment that we have now, I know why you suggested this bill. This, were you ever on the McLaughlin group? I was not, but my colleague Fred Barnes was a regular for many years. I thought if you're a guest one time, this kind of feels like the last segment of the McLaughlin. You know, he's like, all right, Fred Barnes, Freddie Barnes, what do you think? All right. That is harsh. That is harsh, Tim. Okay. I don't know. Republicans can take for much. But there is a little bit of that to that pitch, which I like. That's a compliment. Not a criticism. Everyone's gone just for a good laugh. I look at the, there's this clip from the McLaughlin group where people are predicting who, I think it was who the VP would be in 92. And it's like a little later. And then for so Chris Matthews is in for somebody and he's a Harris Wofford. You know, and it's like you're going through all the names and Gordon doesn't even get names like they all mentioned like random people, this is kind of fun to hear all the random names. Okay. I am turning us to my home state of Colorado, which I think is separate from the concept we were talking about earlier of some blue states being maxed out. I don't think Colorado and Virginia are quite maxed out yet. And I think Virginia is another place that we could go to. And I should say that sometime this week, I'm going to have my kind of final batch of like house stretch races that I'm going to put out in a newsletter. So I'll make sure to flag that for people that comes out. You can see race, if there are any races in your state, you want to support. But Colorado, being that I'm from there, we'll start there. I've been treated by the fifth district in Colorado Springs. And you have Jessica Kellen, who's running. She is, you know, kind of in the Mikey Cheryl vein veteran from Colorado Springs, huge military. And obviously Air Force Academy is there. Colorado Springs has never really been on the swing map because so many military folks there and then also folks on the families there and there's a lot of big evangelical community there. But as Denver has, you know, surge and gotten so big, there's been like pretty decent amount of like trickle down growth down to Colorado Springs. And a ton of new people there that are, you know, and in some ways it's sort of like a mini Salt Lake City, Salt Lake City is very blue. It's just Mormons, but versus evangelicals. Colorado Springs has gotten pretty blue and the district kind of goes out into the roles around there, which is a little more red. But she's running as Jeff Crank has been in there since I was working and when races in Colorado, which is starting to be a wild now, I mean, I think 20 years. So Crank isn't as old as Jim Rish, but he's old. And he's like in the out of date, out of mold, like original tea party mold, like the mega people never really loved him. He was never really authentic. You know, he was one of those guys that, I don't know, it isn't his heart, but it's acted like he really believed the tea party is about spending and like cutting spending and never like really made the adjustment to being like, no, actually the Trump mega actually doesn't care. We like to give money to people. We like to give away free money to people and we're mostly about hating immigrants. Like he, you know, he tried to make the pivot, but not that deftly. So he's kind of like not very appealing to moderates. But a huge, given person to excite, Trump's not going to do anything for turnout. Top of the ticket in Colorado is this insane guy, Victor Marx. So we talked about on the trio, people should go watch him and he like bragging about killing a person. He's like a totally mad man. He's a mad man. He's the governor of Canada in Colorado. He's going to give his ass kicked. Where is the turnout coming from in Colorado? And I mean, the craziest prediction I've seen and governor Polis mentioned this to me when I spoke to him a couple months ago, and I've had now some analysts. I've seen do this as Colorado could go eight out. And I think that would be really crazy. Like I think Bobut's district's pretty red. I don't really think Bobut's going to lose, but like I've seen some of those out there. So Rao have been making the bold eight out of prediction. I'm just going to say Colorado five Jessica Killan over Jeff Crank. And I think that that would be kind of a pretty good summation of where the, what happened to the wave that the Colorado Springs district were focused on the family as, you know, make a family makes the, makes the flip. So. Good. All right, a couple of other things. I want to fly through some AI stuff and what we saw in Ohio. Really quick though, before we do that, they asked if do you have any final thoughts on the China summit? No. I mean, even his defenders aren't claiming anything but was accomplished there. And there's an ignoring all the unbelievable sucking up and cow-towing that Trump did. Right. I mean, it really is kind of. Yeah. Yeah. The bomb that did this, but you had to have a bomb that did this, right? Yeah. You wasn't really good for it. Yeah. You know, as I've Trump, he sort of touches G allot like he's putting his hand on his back. And it probably it's like the host, I guess, showing them around. But G does indeed to be, I mean, G knows where he's going and he's walking next to him. There's 5,000 staff who walked out every step, obviously. And it's, and it's someone commented some psychologist type that this is a classic thing you do if you're deferential to your, it's the person with you. You're the, you know, helping, you know, the kind of almost like a, you know, helping the older, more senior, you're a courier, right? Yeah. Sir, let me show you. And but sort of nervous that he's not, the G is liking it a lot. So there's a lot of the sort of fact touching, I think that was a clever, that was a clever observation. That is clever. I mean, the other thing that you see when people are doing a lot of touching is flirting. That could be courier, or it could be a little bit of flirting because you do sometimes, you know, you'll notice that in a friend setting in my 20s, you know, you're at a party and I'm totally, so it's, I was really touching, so it's a little bit more than I would have expected. It seems like there's, anyway, so there's maybe some of that in the China summit. No, it was, I mean, just thoroughly, I can't believe we humiliating and I know this takes it to the AI. I think it's, they're AI arguments are nonsensical also, you know, and it's a little bit, but it's just, you know, we, Trump is like, full speed ahead on Si, AI, because we have to win the race. And also we should help China win the race by selling them as many chips as possible. It doesn't make any sense. And to the extent of how little sense it made, Jake Tapper was talking to Mike Waltz, who got, what a glutton for punishment. This guy is, he gets fired by Laura Loomer as NSA and then kind of demoted to another position in the government. And now here he is on CNN still doing whatever this is. Let's watch. Has anything else agreed to regarding artificial intelligence? Well, it's not just, we're going with superintelligence now, Jake, but not just a hotline, you know, this kind of cold war hotline in case of catastrophe. Secretary Bessent also announced, and as a result of the summit, an SI dialogue. And SI dialogue. I'm about left to remember when we used to make fun of liberals who were always, you know, they had nothing to announce after meeting with some foreign, you know, hostile power was sort of, well, we were having a dialogue with them, you know, I think you're going to say we make fun of liberals for like making up a new PC words. Well, that's true. This is the other thing that we're doing. It's like, we have a word already. Do you think superintelligence is a better word for them, incidentally, for the extreme, you know, let it all go, guys? It feels like the scary artificial intelligence artificial is not as a neutral word, right? We have artificial suite or artificial turf and football fields, whatever. I don't think it turns people off, particularly. Superintelligence is a little scary, isn't it? I mean, don't we associate that with kind of like out of control? I don't know, you know, I do. It's funny that Trump thinks that's a better word. I just feel like that's a weird thing. And this is part of the way that these, they've just been so co-opted by tech world. I mean, part of this is just like the tech language where I, I do think that they're out of touch with how like people are processing all of this. I mean, I don't think that most regular people are necessarily doomers on AI or like, you know, super fans about, you know, people are like learning about it, kind of like open and seeing how it's going. And the pro like AI boosters, boomers are boosters. The boosters, like they talk in these weird ways. There's this Facebook pitch from there, they're ahead of AI over the weekend. And it's so creepy either guy, it's like a very long post and there is a, it's combined with an image of like an anime utopia kind of image, you know, with the picture. And the guy is, is pushing the new kind of Facebook AI product, which is going to be this, Like I guess like a robot that is. with you and knows everything that you want. And so he writes, says, most people never say what they want. It's not because we don't want. We want fiercely and constantly. We can't name our dreams. We mostly can't reach them. And every unrealized want is a quiet tragedy of human potential. The new Metaproduct will fix that because here's to wanting. Here's to everyone. I know. I know. I know. I know. I just like, have these people ever want to dystopia movie? Like, or this isn't this the plot of every dystopia movie, which is like the technology offers you everything that you could possibly want in the world. And you'll never have any needs or desires anymore. And then the people, the characters, the movie learn that that's actually not a good way to healthy way to live. Like isn't this also like a fundamental message of most of the world's religions and it's like, and it feels that they haven't reflected on any of the, on, on their current products. Like if you're at Meta, like Facebook's initial promise was it was going to connect the world and bring everybody together. And now it's like an algorithmic slot feed. I just, like, I just checked, they're all in this place where, where people are excited about all this stuff. And they're not. Yeah, every unrealized dream is a tragedy. Is that what you write? That's kind of crazy. Yeah. Many dreams are unrealized. That tragedy is a tragedy, right? When something terrible happens to you. I dream to be a center fielder for the mass, but it's not a tragedy that I'm not, you know, that's, that's a living actually. It's, yeah, I'm sort of tragedy. Living is like having dreams and wants and desires and, and, you know, failing and trying harder and, and maybe failing again and then trying and then succeeding or, or, you know, it makes the dreams that are realized feel sweeter because you have all the other, you know, I mean, like, yeah, it's like when all the world's literature is about. Like if you watch the movie, like their pitch is so inhuman. Right. We also had, and, and tropic warnings over the weekend. Some more staffers are talking about their things are never going to be chill again. I'm concerned that I'm moving too far and to do a more territory, but I, I feel like you're in my belt on this. Like what, what's your, now I am partly because I'm in Trump's being so unbelievably irresponsible. If we had a normal government that had set up a very high quality commission and was doing some pausing some stuff and, and working with the companies to pause the most dangerous stuff and to check a few things for now, holding open what we do six months from now. It's the normal thing that a government would do, a little clunkily, whatever, a little bit too many bipartisan commissions, but nonetheless, I would be kind of, okay, you know what, let's take a, let's slow it down and take a look. I'm not, I'm obviously, they're obviously a lot of great things they I can do, but yeah, well, if you have this degree of responsibility, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, I apologize, I apologize, terrible. But yeah, if you have a, this irresponsible administration, you need to err more on the other side because this is sort of like saying, you know, nuclear weapons aren't a problem in the early 50s, and we're just going to, we're ahead of everyone. So we're just going to, we're going to gun it and everyone else can try to gun it, but we're going to beat them. Nuclear, you know, the idea that there's any problem with it getting all over the place and getting out of control and losing coordination of certain aspects of, of, of where we want to stop things from going. Anyway, and the hostility to, the international side is also just so self-ferratically, you know, to America first. So we're not going to coordinate with anyone. Really? Is that, is that sensible for something like this? Like, maybe on, like, didn't we learn something from the pandemic that it's kind of good to have, be able to stop some of these things from spreading, you know, beyond our control? I don't know. Yeah. Well, here's one good part. Trump and the people around him are, are using SI to kind of speedrun like the Murray Antoinette life story. Dan Skavino, his golf caddy, turned W.H. for staff, posted a meme over the weekend where he is writing on a luggage cart, what appears to be at Mar-a-Lago. I think Eric, two blondes are with them that are, don't really look like Eric's wife and maybe one of them is supposed to be the, the AI did a much more accurate rendition of, of Dan and Eric. You know, the song's playing is don't stop the party. They're in tuxedos and formal wear, and then they see Trump and they're kind of spraying champagne everywhere. I don't, I don't know. That, I feel like that, that kind of thing would have been frowned upon when you were working at the Department of Education. Yeah, or the White House. I think that's correct. And plus, is that really wise politically, five weeks before an election, when people are extremely upset about affordability and stuff, you know, it's like, we're living it up to your words. Don't stop the party. Yeah. It has a real Murray Antoinette feel to it, right? To us. Yeah. All right. Well, hopefully they hoist themselves in their own guitar with the AI staff. All right. Let's talk about spraying field. The good news first, it's that the, the look to me is unbelievable and it's just so grateful. And I mean, it was crazy. Like, 1100 people came to Dayton, not the easiest place in the world to get to for Friday night event. It was really wonderful to see everybody. We've raised the number. It just keeps going out that we've raised over $300,000 now for the Haitian community, helping support center, which is, which is awesome. And that's very meaningful. And I don't know what we're, kind of your reactions on, on that positive side. No, it's great. The support and the volunteers we met, we were together there in Sprinkfield Friday afternoon before we did the event Friday night in Dayton. I met this guy, my age. We met once before years and years ago, apparently, who drives in from, you know, a little distance in Ohio. I didn't get clear exactly how many days a week, but he does it several days a week to bring food, you know, boxes of, you know, canned goods and packaged foods and stuff to Haitian families who can't go out. I mean, there's there, there, they don't want to get obviously harassed or well, not just harassed, but arrested by eyes. They can't work anymore because they had TPS and they were working and they were checking in every month that all that's gone. I mean, the degree of the irrational cruelty and sort of just pointless injustice of the whole thing is, I guess, was brought home to me by the two, three hours we spent in in Sprinkfield itself. So it was inspiring the reaction and the strength of the community itself. The people we had it did not that that many people we got to meet. There's people were not really out much honestly, but in the restaurant we went to and stuff. It was inspiring to see the people, Haitians and many people in the community, but depressing how much damage the Trump administration has been able to do this pointless cruelty. Yeah, a couple of the community leaders from the Haitian community who came and talked to the event Sam interviewed them. It was just, it is inspiring what they're doing, also just so painful to hear their stories and talk about what kids went through at schools and all this. And the thing that happened to me that was really, really maybe sad going to Sprinkfield is, so we're doing this as I mentioned, the funders for this Haitian Community Health and Support Center, which is this grassroots up from the bootstraps. You know, it's like in the back of a church, you know, people just trying to pitch in and help. And Jim's been writing with us in the newsletter. And then if you go back and read his old newsletters, if they haven't. So it was closed on Friday when we were there because there was talk that advice was about. And so I just wanted to go by anyway, just kind of, you know, shout them out, like do a little selfie video or something like, okay, here's what volunteers are working. And we pull up and, you know, so I was in a black SUV because there were a bunch of us driving around. And there were like four Asians like sitting on the stoop of the thing. And like I dropped to pop down. I don't look like ice, you know, I'm dressed like a stirdufist or whatever. And I'm like saying that I'm like, no, I just I just wanted to come say hi. And like they were scared. Like you just tell they were scared. And just like the seeing of the black car and, you know, like I jump out. And I just felt horrible about like, you know, I didn't intend to do that. And and it just was and then talking to some of the other volunteers. Like you said about how people are scared to go out. And it's just it feels like East Germany. Like it feels like East Germany for these people. And it's not necessary. Like it's just totally on like, like why are we doing this? Like in Ark in America, why do people feel like they are behind the iron curtain, you know, or some other kind of fascist regime where they have to fear for themselves to go around. I just, I feel like I'm broken. Record on this, but it's like, even if you want to end TPS, which I would not before, like there's a way to do that that does not like, you know, try to inflict terror on an entire community that did nothing, except try to do what so many other people have done throughout the country's history, which is like come here for an opportunity for better life, go to work, raise their family. Like that's all that they were doing. I none of them have broken any laws. This is not about immigration law breaking. It is just solely because of a campaign tactic, like one community that the administration has decided to target and menace. I don't know. And again, like the woman who came to our event and she's talking about her kids giving me out at and school. I like the whole thing is just like truly, truly appalling. And that was part of it that was really. Yeah, people not going to the hospital when they're when they should for checkups. Yes. We talked to one of the chaplains at the hospital who came to the event. It was awesome to meet him. He sent me some emails about specific examples, like I'd talk about, but like, yeah, it's all right. It's like pregnant mothers don't want to come in for maternal care. I mean, why? >> I for nothing, like for nothing, just to support JD Vance's smears. >> Well, let's support the smears, obviously, that's very important, and that was terrible. When he and Trump said that, I thought, okay, they can't win the presidency. I mean, that's so beyond the pill, that was wrong. But of course, that's part of what they really want, which is they've got a young and they could piece on, what's it called? The re-migration is the term they want. That's the term that the fascists use in Europe. We wanted to get rid of the people who've come. It's not just we want to crack down on the border or get a little stricter on TPS policies or anything like that. We want to get rid of all these people, dark skinned people, basically, who have come. And whether, including ones who've been at food, becomes citizens. And so that's the next step. And this is their re-migration policy. And they are happy to terrify people because that might cause more people to self-deport, or try to go to Canada. Some Haitians are trying to get into Canada, or elsewhere. I mean, Haiti itself is horribly dangerous, of course. So no, it's terribly in that respect. It really brings home the horror of this policy, I think. Well, it's damn sick. I guess we should also show it out. Don Leonard, who came to the event, is running for Congress from the district. I like to cut out this guy's gym. I mean, he was not, he does not at all. Sound like a regular politician. He kind of jumped into the fray in this district that is in kind of a bad group that I was talking about earlier. You know, that was like, that would in another year be very quite a red, safe district, but this year is maybe in play. And I thought it was cool for them to come out. Nothing against the other Democrats running. Statewide, we didn't invite everybody to come. And I think that there are a bunch of Democrats that are, maybe they just feel like Iran and the economy and corruption are more fruitful, thing in Medicare, healthcare, more fruitful things to talk about. Than that's more politically advantageous things to talk about. And so I thought it was cool that he came. If people are looking for just a regular guy, it's an outsider. He definitely fits that bill. So I thought it was nice to have to come. The other thing that happened really and all the stuff which we've been talking about over the weekend, this one to share, because it has been mad this morning, is I got another email from Maryam Thomas Abbey's and Dilly, so they were on the end family. And just let me know that her son, you know, when she was first emailing, one of the things she talked about was like one of her hopes was that her son would be able to celebrate his birthday outside of the fucking camp that we put them in. Unfortunately, that was not a realized hope, his birthday was over the weekend. And they've been actually losing access to email and phone and other stuff. She's last time than she had before. And I just like this story, I don't, it continues to baffle me. I understand that there's so many outrageous out there in the world, but I know we have Democratic politicians who listen to this show. The she wrote about this thing in the nation. I wrote about it. I've talked about on TV. Nobius talks about it. I don't, people are afraid that they're going to be called pro-oran terrorists or something because, you know, if they come out to defend the grandchild of someone that was part of the Iranian hostage crisis, like we've held the grand son for six months in a camp. Like this is Saudi Arabia shit. Like this is like what MBS does. Like I'm going to hold the kids of my political foes. Like we're going to hold the grandkids of the Iranians in a fucking camp in Texas in America. Like why? Like there's no, there is no threat at all. And that this kid had to like get arrested in front of his friends at school drop off and now sent to a camp for six months. It's sickening. I do hope that people with platforms and people with power and access to power will speak out about this case in particular. So anyway, that was one of the rant I wanted to do on the immigration front. Do you have anything else, Bill? You want to leave people with for a transition of Patrick? Are you in a nice meditation on the archbishop of the Cardinal this weekend? Cardinal here in DC. He gave a great speech yesterday at St. Matthew's church right here, actually, our old office, the week of Cassandra, where J.V. Allen Chan and last were married 25 years ago. Maybe yeah, I remember that one. And really a wonderful speech about I guess it's it was the like migrants recognition day or something like that for the Catholic church. They have an annual day, but recognition is the right word for whatever they call it. And you gave a really wonderful speech. You can read about it in the newsletter and but you can read about it. I got it from someone else. Obviously I wasn't. I'm not following every Catholic archbishop's speech, but sermon. We're calling them sermon. His speech I was commonly. I apologize. Yes. I was. I'm not up on my lingo here for this. And we're really in terrific just I mean, make the basic point that this is not right. And this is not Christian and it's not American. It's not Deuteronomy and it's not the statute of liberty, but we can't turn away. I mean, it's not just condemning the people who are doing this. It's not condemning, but suggesting that we as a country are not or we're not being good Americans. We're not we're doing we're not maybe crossing the street to avoid it, but we're not exactly engaging this injustice as much as we should. So the boy you just made really he's echoing. Yeah. No. And then the and this was when when JD did his order order Moris nonsense with the Pope push back about, which is like the and the literal story of the good Samaritan is the opposite of this. The good that the Samaritan helped the person that was not of his family or his right friend who first tried. After the people it's like his tribe. Yeah. Crosses the street doesn't doesn't help him. Yeah. So give that a read in morning shots. I appreciate I'm very much I'm sorry to end on negative because our listeners our community really did show up and I can overwhelming way. And it's still it's funny. You know, I was around I was with some friends this weekend and I'm excited a little time between, you know, the fundraiser and some other stuff we're doing in DC this week. And you know, who like know what we're up to and know we're doing but aren't, you know, politics is in the top of their list. And I told them when we did this weekend and they're like, how big is your audience? To just one guy right that check. No, like there are barely any big charts. So it's like we just we have an awesome community that really did step up and hopefully it can temper, you know, some of the fascist bullshit that these guys are having to suffer and and Springfield. So anyway, stick around for a little bit more on that with Patrick Gaspard. They'll appreciate you good to see you this weekend and I will catch you next week. All right, I invited Patrick here for we invited Patrick here for two reasons. One, he is Haitian family and so we're going to talk about that for a bit. The other one I thought this we could role model something here because it was about a month ago that one of these right-wing losers wrote a hit piece about me and he was like Tim has betrayed his principles. I was like, I'm interested to see what principal I betrayed. So I gave that a little click and started reading the article and basically the principle was that Patrick and my podcast a couple of months ago on our podcast maybe you heard it and and he was pissed about that because he was like Tim and Patrick used to fight. Patrick is a lefty activist. You're on the DNC and and I was at the RNC. Exactly. And they were just you know and they said mean things about each other and they're just on this podcast chumming it up and it's so fake and all that's not just like, no, this is what this is growth. This is not a betrayal of principles. This is what you call growth. So you can't be in a grownup. So anyway, what like talk let's talk about that. It has to be a little weird for you. You know, you flew in for New York, a bunch of former Republicans. Like how do you think about that? Like, you know, being a partisan Democrat and trying to and figuring out when's the right time to partner. I'm always excited to be in the country of Amy Act and in Sherrod Brown, right? I'm curious about that. There you go. You know, so it wasn't because of me at all. You came here. I love you Tim, but you know, my first presidential campaign was 1988 with Jesse Jackson and every four years since I had the habit of coming here to Ohio. This is where America happens. And it's where, you know, I just I just spent the last week at the UN General Assembly and it's really important that we don't just have diplomats and heads of state having conversations across differences and borders and divides. It's really important for us to do at the grassroots. So Tim and I having the opportunity to model that kind of behavior on the podcast in here tonight is essential to me. You know, Tim, my greatest hero in life is Muhammad Ali. And Ali said that the man who views the world at 50 in the same way that he did at 20 years old has wasted 30 years of his life. And you know, you're not the only one who's changed in the course of the existential thread that we are facing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue now. I have changed as well. There are things that I may have said or done. Listen to my show and you're like Tim. Listen to your show, man. It's my favorite show. You want to cut some more red tape? You know, all work is my favorite show. About that. Hey, come on. You know, look, there are ways that we've leaned in towards one another. I am an unapologetic progressive. That's abundantly clear, but I think this is a moment where we have to extend grace to one another and make it clear that there's more that unites us than divides us in this country at year 250. Well, let's just do it in a politics. We'll talk about the hey stuff at the end. You mentioned the UN to further credential you on your lefty progressive socialist street cred. You also advised a guy named Zora Mamdani a little bit. - That's a mayor of New York. - Is that it? (audience applauds) - Man, I thought it was pretty strange for being at Yahoo to come and be in America in New York talking about how Zora is anti-Semitic and should be in jail and all this stuff. That's not modeling, talking across differences, I guess. - I don't think so. - And I'm just wondering, just kind of your general thoughts on that and what you've seen from the mayor, 'cause for me, and frankly, I was expecting a little worse to be honest. I mean, you promised me it would be better, so I should've listened to you. But, I mean, I think he's been really good at dealing with the challenges about threats about anti-Semitism, et cetera. But, like, what are your thoughts on BB and kind of what's the perspective from inside or Zora? - I'll start with my friend, the mayor first. I'm proud to be his volunteer chair of his commission on government efficiency. We're trying to demonstrate that progressives can own. - You're the known. - You're the known. - Very good. - Very good. - And I'm going to demonstrate that progressives can govern efficiently as well and deliver for people in their real needs. I think that the mayor has been exceedingly thoughtful on this question of anti-Semitism in New York, and he's made it abundantly clear that he intends to extend protections to all New Yorkers of faith, of course, communities, because that's the first job of any mayor. Look, I'm not surprised at Netanyahu who took their cheap shot in the Ross Room at the United Nations. What are you going to do when your corruption, your personal corruption has been exposed, you're losing a campaign at home, the entire world has turned you personally into pariah, and it's not abundantly clear that your friend Donald Trump is going to stay the course on this utterly reprehensible war that you have dragged him into. So you're going to make any kind of distraction that you can. So I wasn't surprised that he went after Netanyahu. You'll recognize, of course, that the mayor ignored him and focused on meetings with civil society, mayors, governors, and with Donald Trump who visited him in a sudden, and Gracie mentioned that. Look, we're here. That's a little chummy for me, just a hand. No, actually, Tim, Tim actually wasn't. The mayor and the president of the United States, because he is the president. This is not like meeting with-- I don't know, Jared Kushner, but this is a meeting with-- I didn't like that one either. This was a transparent meeting with the president of the United States, where Zora Mamdani talked about affordable housing and building it in New York and spent a good deal of time talking about Haitian TPS and what the impact of what it looks like to deport TPS holders who are leading the way in providing care in home health agencies, in nursing homes, and hospitals, and who are essential in construction sites in New York and Miami. The president heard him out on that. That's usually important. All right, I guess. That's fine. We're modeling, talking, across differences. And this is a president who wants to be part of the cool kids' club. That's true. He doesn't like taking that with-- He doesn't like taking that with us. He does have a little crush. There's no doubt about that. All right, let's talk about the Haitian community and your background and why you're here. Well, there isn't any other place in America that I would be-- tonight was important to be in solidarity, not just with the Haitian community, but for those of you in Dayton and Springfield who are showing real solidarity with that community. Irrespective of how you feel about the issue of TPS and migration, there are folks who are working across differences to provide real relief right now to folks who have given their best to community and who need that support. My family came to the United States during the first wave of meaningful migration from Haiti was in the late 1960s, early 1970s. There was a dictator you may have heard of, named Papadaca Juvalier, who really threatened the professional classes, the intellectuals in Haiti, because they dared to ask for free and fair elections. My father was a lawyer and then a professor, and he had to leave at gunpoint to go to another country. We ended up eventually in New York and the US, and I have always worked as a proud Haitian American citizen who's in my diaspora and doing everything that I can to close the bounds between our communities. So you know Papadaca from eight miles? From the movie eight mile. That's why we know Papadaca. No, from the history books. Oh, man. All right. I'll introduce one of the guests who's coming in. I can't believe you were at eight miles. It's coming in a virtual. Sorry. But having been at the DNC, just want to give a real quick, a little hopium or a little enat. Like, what do you think the state of play is? And these two Ohio races in the map? I think we're in great shape. It's more likely than not that we're going to win the House of Representatives. And if someone had told you six months ago, eight months ago, that Democrats had a better than even shot at taking the US Senate as well, you would have taken that bet. So we're an extraordinary position and here in the governor's race and in the Senate race. I think we're going to get over the top. There's part in my cursing, but there's a shit ton of money, especially crypto money. It's about to be dropped on our candidates, especially on Sharon Brown. And I know that you're organizing your door knocking, your boots on the ground is going to make the difference. That gets them over the top. Vivek's helping us out a little bit just by existing and being Vivek. All right. We invited another guest, another local who's not able to come, but Patrick Nosem was a little bit of help. And so he did send in a video for everybody. And you flew out here, so I'll let you do the honors. Would you like to introduce the guest? I'm happy to. So this guest is known globally. He's an activist. He's a performer. And he grew up in Springfield, Ohio. I became a friend of his during the Obama administration. And I was proud that when we reached out and asked him to participate in this, John Legend said, yes, right away. So here's a message from our friend, John, and your homeboy from Springfield. You can put your clothes back on. She's leaving you. No time to apologize for the things you do. Lower it to Ferrari and sing the blues. Believe that Clapton was the second comment. For the part, we all got a word to do. And guest star, we all got a word to do. She's leaving you. She's leaving you. The Bullwork Daily is brought to you thanks to the work of lead producer Katie Cooper, associate producer Anzali Skipper, and with video editing by Dante DeCicco and audio engineering and editing by Jason Brown.