Bill Bellamy and Rebooting the Booty Call, Plus the Russini-Vrabel Situation

Welcome back to Ring of Tailgate. The Wednesday edition of the show. Hope everybody's having a nice April. We're very excited because the guest that was promised is finally here today. We got Bill Bellamy joining the show. Very fun interview. Joel gets a little redemption in that interview. Before we get to Bill Bellamy though, let's say what's up to our guys, Vann in studio. What's up, Vann? What up? What up? What up? Let's raise. Yeah, I was in my own position. That's what I'm talking about. But yeah, what's up everybody? Ring of Tailgate is back. Y'all know how it goes. Yeah, you know how it goes. We got a lot to get to. Joel Anderson also there and ready to raise the roof always. What's up, Joel? What's up, y'all? I'm hype. Well, that's overstating a little bit, but I'm glad to be here. Man, I'm going to show y'all that I'm operating in good face. Teen work and all that good shit. Are we going to get we're going to say a nice little word about the Duke whose birthday was over the weekend. Yeah. Come on out here. Let's get it. Let's get it. Let's get it. What number birthday was that? You don't ask people their age, Joel. He's a man. Was that mean? Well, I mean, I would not ask it of a woman. Why not? For antiquated notions, I just said antiquated notions of sex and gender and appearance. So you buy into those conventions. No, no, but I do think that some conventions are conventions for a reason. You know, and I would not ask a woman for age. Interesting. All right. Interesting. But I would ask a man, Billy, how old are you, don't? 39. Oh, okay. There you go. That's fantastic, Duke. My birthday, by the way, is tomorrow. Yeah. I was going to bring that up too. Happy birthday. I get asked at 40 years. Yeah. 46. I'll be 46 tomorrow. Shut up. Look at us. Celebrate and everything. Y'all should get together and do something, man. Oh, that's right. Yeah. We'll figure it out on the text, bro's change. Yeah. We're going to we're going to we're going to top golf. You didn't hear me tell you something about our text thread. It's me sending a series of links and it would be ignored until the day of the show. Nobody respite. And I'm not really complaining about this. Hey, did you see this video? These ground locks? Sounds like a complaint. What? Yeah. I just I got I got to cut Joe off with this grief. Every show starts with it. Oh, I'm sorry. But it was it was just crazy because you know, I used to have a thing when I when I was dating, I'd be like, I'll call a girl three times. Okay. But if she hadn't called me and one of them three, you know, and you know, you know, you know, she calls her. Yeah, then I'm like, oh, no, I can't hollage. Wait, you a you will call a girl three times in a row without giving you a call back. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Three separate calls. Now we've established. No, I've got your number. We're talking now. All right. And in the end of the week, I might call you three times. And you answered that for that one time. I call you a second time. You pick up the time we have a little conversation. Third time, I call you pick up whatever we have a little conversation. But if you don't call me at all, like you don't initiate a call at some point, I probably I'll start losing interest. Then you're going to franchise mode. Well, I didn't really have to, I mean, I did, but I don't have to do it. But you you you play franchise mode, like out of franchise mode for you is out of like, you know, just whenever you want to play in franchise. Like I think people sometimes think that franchise mode happens when you can't go online. That's not true. Sometimes you can go online and sometimes you choose franchise mode. Like you said, sometimes you just, you know, you got to do for your franchise mode. franchise mode, franchise mode. I don't do the dude. The dude gets really. Look, look, I want to do a show. I want to do a show where we have a sex therapist come on the show. I'm seeing this is what I want our next one. I want our next one. No, or it could be a sex therapist, could be a podiatrist, but I want someone to come on the show because I want I want to get to the bottom of whatever the hangups are that the Duke happens to do cats. I want you guys to go back and look at how uncomfortable the dude gets. Look how comfortable he is now. Look at him now. I was just trying to figure out like Joel is basically like if I call you three times and you don't call me back, it's over. And it's like, okay, well, that's a lot. What's a lot? I mean, it's just as presumptuous of you. You know that people have no, he's busy. You should think of me and want to initiate a call with me. I feel like that's a real trouble with a lot of men. Is that they don't they don't know what they don't know what it is to experience love, like being loved and wanting to be desired. Right? Like I feel like I have enough respect for myself that I want a woman to want me as much as I want her. I don't feel like I got to do no chasing those shit like you wouldn't be solved. You don't want to see. Yeah, I'm as much as I'm a prize just like you. You know what I'm saying? But I think it's a it's a form of respect I have for her and it's one respect I have for myself respect for myself just for everybody listening. Yeah, any woman who likes you, even a centilla. I want to when I say a centilla, I mean, if a woman likes you that much, she will have no problem calling the texting you. Mm hmm. And it's it's it's it's like it's like almost something that doesn't need to be like it like to if a woman likes you like you to really like you. Yeah, there's no like there's no way she's so happy to hear from you. Yes, like there's no there's actually going to be the other way around. Mm hmm. There'll be the other way around to be like, Hey, why haven't you called? Why have me? Yeah. Well, you know, it's from my likes. Yeah. If and by the way, to women, if the guy actually likes you, if he actually likes you, like likes you for real, could call you. No problem. Going to be no problem. You know, at least he loves doing good morning, what's up, even if it's cool, I think we sometimes make this shit too complicated. I'm playing or whatever, whatever. But if the person actually likes you, this is not going to none is going to be a you can't wait to talk to them and they can't wait to talk to you. So I just need to I just need a little get back in a reference to that on our and our text thread. It's just me sending link after link after link after link. So nobody responding. When are you going to stop? Why can't you take me here? Yeah, well, you know why? Why won't you stop doing it? I'm going to stop. I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna stop. There's also a lot of people in that thread that you're sending it to. You're like, you're like, you're like, it's our finger tailgate. Fucking Donnie Beacham is in there. I don't even know Donnie was in Donnie Beacham. He might think there's something. They might know. I understand that one. I might get it. No, it's somebody. Somebody. Yeah, you're sending things in their questionable sometimes and other times you're in there just quote unquote waking up fights these turns shit up. If we're going to. Yeah, you're trying to start fights. That's wait. What did that happen? What? When did I just happen? Are you fucking nuts? Are you losing your mind? It was the same. It just happened. You just like got on the thread and started a fight and then went, Hey, guys, I just I just wanted to fight today. Yeah, you said that you kept it with like, sorry, I needed to fight somebody. Basically hold on hold on. Let me make sure. You did. Oh, no, you know what happened? No, you look because you would start to complain in as well. Do we really want it? We want to have this. No, that's not what happened. You started that problem. There's some fighting here in the tailgate. We were trying to tell you. You're trying to litigate. Yeah, we were having beef. We were having beef. And what I said essentially was. Yeah, no, you created the beef. Okay. Okay. I'll tell you what happened that morning. Okay. We decided against using this story, a LOL. And then I said, you know what? I kind of wish I'd push back on the Chapelle anecdote. I was looking forward to that fight. Well, listen to press box tomorrow for great show. Great show. By the way, I'm just in a feisty mood for whatever reason. That's from you. You said that. That's from you. Those are all from you. You said that. I was going back to the original point. No, whatever. I was starting to find it. Just so the audience knows there's an ongoing conversation about how far we can push tailgate because there are limits, right? There are limits to what we should be discussing. There are limits to like whether or not we're on. When do we close the gate? Yeah, the gate is going close. So, and you guys know that I don't care about any of that, but that's also why I need to be produced because there should be limits and there should be things that maybe we don't do. Joe, for some reason, after a decision was made, not to put something in the podcast, brought it up through it in there and then came back and said, not that he wanted to have a substantive conversation about it, just that he was looking for somebody to fight. He's not you. Yeah. We all know. No, wait, I was looking for somebody. It's part of the Chapelle. It's part, I'm not y'all, but anybody who it finds themselves on the opposite side of the argument. There's like 15 people in this chat. It probably could have been in the chat with us. Yeah. You all felt differently. Y'all just, y'all had a problem with the way that I was coming at it. Thank you for the birthday wishes, Joe. Happy birthday, Billy. Thank you. I appreciate you. Yeah, yeah, 39. That's what's up. All right. Well, we're going to get to Bill Bellamy here in a second, but quickly one big reaction will start here. New CFP logo. I just wanted to start and just see if this was worthy. of a reaction or if we needed a new logo, they put it out, they changed the color, it's a little bit more gold. They said it's championship gold. They put in three big letters that were in my face that said CFP. Just in case you did not know what the football was referencing. You can see it right there on the screen. Shout out to free us for pulling it up. So that's the difference over from college football playoff all the way spelled out to now just CFP guess for branding purposes. Joe, do you have a reaction to this? Do you care and your thoughts? Yeah, I mean, I hope that because this is actually that's enough just the footballs enough. That's the coaster that I use from my football can here. So yeah, I hope I get a new one when I go to the championship game next year because they give you they give this out as part of a sweat. It looks better without the type. It's like I don't think it needs CFP, you know, you don't think it needs to be the second bracket strokes is what they call? I like the crystal ball. I thought the crystal ball was perfect. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah. I mean, it's still it's still it's still a catching logo, you know, say no fewer than every time to my kids come in my office, they say, what is that? So whatever it is, it catches the eye. Yeah. And there's nothing on that. It's just the football. Yeah. It's true. It's true. Also, I mean, it better than what focus on this than like adding a bunch of teams to the playoff. Like I just like, yeah, focus on let's burnish up the current logo. Do all that make the 12 team playoff better, you know, better than to work on that and be like, where we should add 16, maybe we should add 24. Yeah, that's right. They got them focused on something else. Van, a reaction to the CFP logo. Do you care? No. And I'll tell you why, because this is the type of news trickle that is just meant to make college football a year round sport. This is the type of thing. This is story. This is the story to kind of keep us involved in college football. And if you are a true college football fan, this is one of the most consequential times of the year, right? This is when things are settling in in the spring. If you're trying to watch spring practice reports, you're checking in. If you are a casual, then you're probably not paying too much attention towards going on right now. But if you are a die-hard, you're trying to see how these transfers look. You're in the message boards. Playing not playing. You're looking on the message boards. Oh, you look, you're watching practice reports. I'm watching practice reports right now from Power or LSU from all the different LSU recruits came to the spring game, you know, all of that type of stuff. You're looking at all of that stuff. So like, to me, these little news trickles like this, I understand it, kind of got to keep it, but they don't really mean very much. You hear all kinds of different stuff. Yeah, they just wanted to be a 12 month news cycle similar to the NFL. Just get people involved, get them reacting. And again, the real big change. Yeah, what they should do then, they should have some well-known reporter get caught at a hotel with with a really important coach football coach. And that that's the type of thing that keeps the news cycle going right there. Well, Lane Kiffin is right there. He's ready to go. Whatever. Whatever happens to one of them should happen to both of them. How's that sound? So if one of them has to resign from their job in disgrace and go somewhere else, should happen to both people. I'm not saying that either thing should happen to either person, but whatever happened, it looked like two people were involved in it. So if you're going to be fair, then it should happen to both of them, whatever needs, whatever's going on. You're going to have Marabi, I for an eye there. I'm going to say it. No, I'm just being for real. What I'm saying is that. Yeah, with you. So honestly, I don't think it's nobody's business except for what's going on with these people. Unless there's some sort of ethical breach that people are talking about. And if that's the case, you would need way more information to get to the bottom of something like that. You'd have to have a whole investigation. You don't have to do a whole thing. That's the thing. But what I'm saying is if something happens to one of them, it should happen to both of them. That's what I'm saying. So it's so, but tell me, and I don't necessarily disagree, but what is the compelling reason to frive variable? What would the top? I don't think that there's a compelling reason to fire either of them. Okay. Well, if you're, but the reason. There is a resignation, right? That was the. It's a resignation, right? By the way, she claims that she doesn't resign for that. Well, like what I'm saying is if there's an ethical breach there, is there a chance that maybe variable is swinging this shillally to try to get access to reporters and have them do stuff like that? I mean, I guess there's a different set of ethics. He's not really breaking any competitive rules. But to me, the way I look at this is that like I all too often, I see situations like this when there's only consequences on one side of the equation. And to me, if, in fact, this is the case, then there should be some sort of consequence for a player or a coach in that situation, having that type of relationship with the member of the, with the member of the media. If, in fact, that is what's happening. Well, so I don't disagree that this is a problem of patriarchy. The issue for me, though, as a journalist, is that if what is alleged or what seems to be rumored is true, right? Which is like, that could, that could just be the range from we've never, we've never had sex before. The only time we've ever touched it, the times you caught us on camera. And we're just filling things out to they've been buttoned at all weekend, right? Like you could range that whole thing, right? Right. Right. So if, if, if, if that's the case, then that's not a ethical way to get news. And in mainstream media, right? Like that's just not cool because and again, I'm not going to be foolish enough to sit up here and say, well, it makes it bad for other women in the business. I mean, we know how motherfuckers are, man. I mean, I mean, like, you're going to assume that of a lot of women regardless because of sexism or you're going to assume that an attractive woman who works in sports journalism, particularly in like it, there's a trade of information that they're using things other than their brains and know how to do it. Like that's just kind of the, if you can look at any series of comments on the internet and you can see that. And so, but I still think though that it just sets a bad tone in terms of getting news. And also like, you'd that really be an objective, an objective observer of this team anymore. Like she's not a columnist. So that would be, I would be the argument for her to lose a job. And with Mike Vrable is kind of like, the argument that I could construct is like, you supposed to be keeping that shit in house. Why are you, why are you being a source for the media? Like what now I can't trust you. Um, so, so, uh, let me tell you, I come, I completely agree with everything you said. Yeah. But let me tell you what I have a problem with. Okay. Number one, if if there's, there's a possibility here that these two people are engaged in a relationship that is elicit from a moralistic standpoint in terms of the fact that they are made, right? Yeah. And then there's another chance that they are engaged in both a relationship from a moralistic standpoint that is wrong and a relationship that is wrong from an ethical standpoint because there's a quick quote, quote, quote, quote, right? There is one video or one group of pictures that seems to approve one of those things. There's absolutely nothing right now beyond speculation that proves the other thing, nothing. So it could very well be that they decided if in fact is the case that they wanted to fuck, right? And that they wanted to fuck and through that relationship, whatever else happens, right? But to make that into a relationship where she is having sex with him for access is to call her a whore. Now that leap that is being made, that leap that being, that is being made is so profound to me that it angers me a little bit. It pisses me off just a smith. I really don't give a fuck about that is, but to make that leap, it's a little bit when we know when you know, and when I know that there are powerful people that use all different types of methods to weaten relationships that they have with people who are in the media to give favorable coverage. It happens everywhere all the time. If sex is the breaking point for that, let's have a conversation about it. But I can tell you one thing, I know people that have gotten liquor game tickets, silent. I know people that get invited to parties. I know people that get access. I know people that get stories. I know people that get, I know people that just get shout outs. I know people that have people embedded in places. Like I know this, I don't, I'm not thinking like, I'm not, this is not conjecture. 100% sure. Like, I know people that have leaked the names of their children, the names of their kids, to God, because these places are going to cover them in a specific way. So it's a tale is old is time. And if it's wrong for anyone, it's wrong for everyone. But we both know that that's the way that it goes. Now, if in fact, that's what's happening here, obviously, it's fucked up. But that accusation is so fucking serious that it cannot be left up to the court of public opinion. It just can't, well, so the thing here is that the athletic and the New York Times hold the cards here, right? They can make a decision of what they want to do with Diana Rossini. Well, you know what the hard part is for them. Well, it seems to be the breach and trust because they said, I, Diana, we believe you now prove that you had three friends with you this weekend. And that apparently she's been unable to produce that evidence. And then they say, and then they claim that they found other evidence. that things were not on the level, so to speak. So the problem at that point then is like, it's not that who deserves to keep their job or whatever. It's like, I'm your editor. You may have came and lied to me. I was prepared to defend you, but you got to tell me the truth, but you lied to me. And I really don't like the way you would get news anyway. So it would have made it tough for her to have kept her job under any circumstances. I really would not argue for her to keep her job. Now, if I think you make a compelling argument about Mike Vrable using the argument that I used, which is that you're a mole, you know? Like we don't do that around here. You're a mole, bro, but why would you, why would you, even if he is a mole, you played in the Super Bowl this past year, you know? Super Bowl. - So let me ask you this. And because once again, you come from a play, it's like what, like when I come from in this situation, it's anything goes, right? - Okay. - When I say anything goes, I mean, there's going to be, I say this to the cows come home with TMZ. Everything that was put out while I was there, the thought was that it was 100% accurate. There was never even a smidge of things that got that made it to the TMZ website that the reporting inside of the place that they did not think was true. Now, are there things that turned out to like not be true? I mean, maybe, but when you source something, you're relying on that source. I think people don't understand this sometimes. If, in fact, if, like for example, there was a very famous little Wayne story that happened to where TMZ reported that Lil Wayne was being read his last rights, right? - Mm-hmm. - Well, like, and that Lil Wayne is almost seemed like death was imminent. First of all, never reported that Lil Wayne was out, this is not my story. I wasn't even producing stories at the time, but like never said that Lil Wayne passed away, said that things were really bad, and they source that story. Just so people know, if there's, if, if, if, if, if something's happening with tape, right? And tape's girl tells me, or tape's mom tells me, and they want to tell me on background. Whatever they say, that's a reliable source into tape's life. So, from a journalistic standpoint, I can, tape's gonna, tape's gonna get an NBA trial. Something stupid. I don't want to say anything negative. Keep it, keep it, keep it, let's raise a roof for positive. - Yeah, keep it cute. Yeah, that's what's up. - Yeah, tape's gonna get an NBA trial for whatever, whatever's happened. His mom tells me that, right? I go and I check the sources, have I heard this, bubble bubble and talk about, but a source close to tape tells us that many, that different NBA teams will look. That's a good story, 100% yeah. 1000% is a good story. I heard it from somebody who wouldn't know about that, right? - Yeah, yeah. - That doesn't end up happening. The source was wrong. And what you want to make sure that you do, in a, from a journalistic standpoint, is do enough work that you, that you track down your sources and kind of check their work, right? But if you want to go and say that somebody, a source real close told me this, that story is true. And the reason why I'm, I'm talking about all of this is because like, ethics and journalism, if it's wrong for a reporter to have sex with a potential source, to me, it's only wrong if it can be proven that that source is being harvested, that the sex is actually the point of the relationship, that you're trading sex. - It's transactional. - Well, so that actually is part of this investigation. - Okay, cool, well, like to, to me, and if that's a thing, then, but I just want people to understand when we're talking, you're calling the lady a fucking prostitute. And I would just say that before we call her that, I'm talking about across the board with all of this, before we call her that, then maybe just let it get a little bit down the road, maybe a little bit down the road. Now the murky thing is, and I'll stop after this, is if it's not that one-to-one. If it's, hey, we're pillow-talking while something's going on. And you let something out and then I go with it. Then you really get into a situation to where is the intent of this relationship to harvest it for information, or is the closeness of this relationship resulting in information? Because some people would say that the latter is actually good journalism, that the fact that you could be in a party around people and hear things, and I know, I know, I know. And we come from two different schools. - Yeah, so I don't, I get why that makes sense, right? Like that is a good idea. Like that information is still good. The information that Mike Vrable gave, Diana Rossini, is it any less wrong, just because they may have had an inappropriate relationship? Like it's still, all that stuff could be true. But, and again, this is blaming this, I'm putting the burden of this on the women when it's a fall of patriarchy, but it sets the standards really bad for reporters coming into this situation. If that kind of, those kind of deals, those kind of deals are being broken for information, right? Because then you might have other people like, well, this is kind of a relationship I got over here. So what you gonna do for this information? Again, that's kind of silly, but that's kind of one of the arguments for like, nobody else has access to that information in quite the same way. But again, if that's how far you willing to go to get the information, I kind of understand. I'm like, you know, would you fuck for tips? - Fuck for tips, news tips. - No, I mean, well, it's different. - Yeah, fuck for fun. And then maybe give a tip. But like, give you just the tip for a tip. But like what I'm saying is like the, and everything that you're saying is right. First of all, let me say, you're right, I'm wrong, right? You came through traditional legacy media. I came through a place where, you know, it was kind of like, you know, you're in a viper pit, right? I don't know anybody at TMZ that ever did anything like that, ever, right? Or, and by the way, I'm not saying that she did it. So I'm not saying that that's the common practice there. I want to make sure, like the standards that-- - You're saying the implication is a pretty heavy implication. - Yeah. - And just to let you know, what if you are invited to parties? You get to hang out on private jets. You get to go with people plays. There are perks in being a journalist. And you get invited places. And that is always, always for the expressed purpose of manipulating you to produce and report the stories that people want you to. That is the purpose. You in a room with all of these people. And you have your favorites. You have people that give you information. And there is always horse training that goes on. Sometimes there are other things like at TMZ, they were straight up buy stories. That's something that would have never happened in any of the places that you want. Like, they will straight up, they will pay for stories. They'll pay for video, they'll pay for tips, they'll pay for all of that stuff. That is different. If the payment is in some other form, then what it really becomes about is the sex. And it gets back to a central notion that this is specifically about like, dragging a woman across the coast to like call her a prostitute in this regard. And I get it, I understand. Everything that you're saying is right, but God damn, man. This just, this seems a little gross to me. - Okay, one last thing and then we can move on. - The other thing. - I'm not gonna respond. - No, no, no, no. What you can respond, but yeah. But the thing that's a problem, the only other thing that's a problem here is the collection of clips in which either she is extremely positive about Mike Rae Bull or overly critical of her husband and her marriage. 'Cause I feel like that's not fair. I did for the record, I don't think that's fair. Because we all know what the game is when we trying to get into media, man. You gotta make people remember you when you get on the microphone. And there's a lot you can try to make people laugh. One kind of way or a different kind of way or maybe just you overwhelm them with your information, but you wanna stand out. There's not a lot of people that get to talk for a living. And Diana Rossini, by creating a trail of clips of her denigrating her husband publicly and praising Mike Rae Bull also just led people to think, "Hmm, that's kind of weird." And I can kinda, again, but it was funny until we got this context. - Right, right, yeah. - Did she deserve to be fired? I understand why she was, put it that way. - Well, she wasn't fired, she resigned. - Well fired, resigned. She was much seen. - Yeah, yeah, the idea was that it was going down that direction. - Right, right. - Yeah, and again, we don't know how the investigation would have turned out. Like if she had stayed, maybe it would have proved her case. So, anyway. - Yeah, well, we luckily don't have that story in college football. Let's hope that we don't have that story in college football. And I think those are very valid points. Now let's have some fun. We have a guest that Joel has been clamoring for for weeks. He said he was the only comedian that he knows. It is the great Bill Bellamy that it's gonna be joining us on the other side of the break. And let's raise the roof one time for Bill Bellamy. - Yeah, Bill Bellamy. - Bill Bellamy. - Bill Bellamy. - All right, now you have it joining us now, Bill Bellamy. All right, as promised at the top of the show, are one big guest and a very special guest. Someone we've been talking about for the last few weeks. We're excited to have him on the show. The great Bill Bellamy is here. Bill, how you doing? - I'm excited to be a part of the podcast, yeah. You guys, you know, y'all doing a good job. You know, I just left the gym. I said, oh, I'm gonna be on time. You know, it's hard. Y'all have so many guests. It's hard to get in on the Zoom. You did. - It's not, it's not. - We're not gonna raise the roof for Bill Bellamy. - Yeah, we're gonna raise the roof, man. - Yeah, we raise the roof, man. What was you doing on the floor? - No, no, no, no, no. - Well, Bill, if you didn't know Joel down there, he invented that. - Oh, he did? - Yeah. - We were talking, look, look. So yeah, but it was a different iteration and then it kind of took off and there's some other shit. But it's funny, you say that because you get clear and free credit for booty call. Nobody disputes that you came up with that, right? - Yes, sir, yes, sir. - Okay. - A booty call, we booty call is locked in Wikipedia with Bill Bellamy. Most do's in the '90s didn't even know what they was getting. - That's a lot. - Well, I mean, it was just in the streets. And then I was like, "Yo, you got some booty call." They was like, "Ah." - So Bill, I don't know if you've seen the statistics. I know if you've seen the stats, but young people not having sex as much as they used to. Because they aren't, do you think that the booty call needs to be brung back? 'Cause like the kids are not having, young people not having as much sex as they used to. Do we need to bring the booty call back? - Let me tell you why the booty call needs a revamp. Because of the phone, it has changed the complexity of what a real booty call is. So in the '90s, when I came up with it, at the time, a booty call was like just basically, you know, calling the chick over there. You know, you got your new crib. You know, you got your joint set of nights, you know what I mean? You're like, "I want somebody to see my place." - You know, I want the booty call, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know that moment when you're like, "Yo, my place is set," right? I got my, I got food. I was like, "Dink me, water bed." "Yo, water bed." - Oh yeah. - Yeah. - The joint, the joint, the joint, the joint where your pillows do like this. I don't think, they may not be old enough to have slept on a water bed before. Tate, you ever slept on a water bed? - Yeah, I'd be my grandparents out of water bed. Yeah. - Shout out. - Oh, shit. (laughs) - It's all right, it's how I'm here. - It was luxury, like back then 90s and the 90s, I'm gonna say like 93, 94, that was like a, a water bed was kind of like almost like the dope, let the couch. - Worm. - Yeah, yeah. - The couch in your apartment, you wanted a water bed and you actually wanted a tub. 'Cause most people only had like showers, but if you had a tub, it didn't even want a chicken tub. Oh my God, he's not playing that. - You was living in, you was living. - I gotta ask you, when you clapping shit in the water bed, is there a technique? Do you ride the water bed? Do you get, 'cause like build, y'all, build space got serious. - It's what, it's what, it's what I'm looking at. - You got paint. - These were made of the stuff, look at this. - Yeah. - It was like, because when you're not in the water bed, when you're not in the water bed, you know, it's a lot of knee strength. Sometimes you use the feet back when I was, yeah, you know, you get, but when you're using the water bed, do you go back, do you like use the, how do you, what's the water bed technique? - Basically, you ride the wave. You did. (laughing) And so whatever wave you create, the water bed following you. So that's why the water bed was into your game because chicks was like, yo. Oh my God, I'm like, that was crazy. They don't know it was the water bed, but you know, you had an assistant. - So, so you were like, I mean, you know, I mean, you were the face of the movie, how to be a player. So I gotta ask you about this, 'cause also it's gonna cross some lines that we brought up on the show before. - Good, good. - So we couldn't help but talk about, in the '90s, when you were on set with Janet Jackson and how she was so clearly flirting with you. Clearly flirting with you. We just said, we were like, oh, damn man, I wanna build. Belly, we had Janet Jackson. And you said that it didn't happen but the one thing you said that I want you, that I want you to respond to. If I don't, Jermaine could have had it, I would have pulled it. - I could have been, if I knew it was possible. Jermaine gave hope to a lot of dudes. Jermaine, no disrespect gave hope to a lot of dudes that a little, you know, a little dude could go out big. You did, like, you know, 'cause Jermaine, he's biggest, he's our phone, you know? (laughs) But he got, so we told, we told dudes, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm six, three, you know? I'm like, I'm like a basketball player, a smooth kind of cat. I didn't even know at that time that Janet Jackson was actually, you know, kind of feeling me like that, 'cause we was friends, you know what I mean? And so, when we was doing the interview, all that shit came out and I was like, oh, snap. If you go back and watch the clip, you can see me say, oh my God, like, four or five times. (laughs) 'Cause I was just like, yo, 'cause in an ordinary situation, I mean, that's everything, you know what I mean? If a female's showing you that kind of affection, that's basically saying, yo, she did you like that, right? But I'm working. - You're right, yeah. - In the interview, I'm on the video said, you can't necessarily respond to that energy in real time because you're working. So I was kinda like, oh my God, I know she ain't doing this right now. (laughs) Oh my God. But this is the funny part I could tell you. So we go on tour together, right? I'm the opening comedian for the velvet rope tour. And there's a dude, every show that they pick out the audience, the strap to the table. - Yeah. - And Jill and it climbs on the thing, it's got like little pegs on it. And Janet would climb on this dude and do any time, any place. Do you know how I'm every night, I was standing right by the goddamn bed. (laughs) But she didn't want to pick me. (laughs) - Oh, man, I was like. (laughs) - She always told the dude, that Pep Stout was acting crazy. Oh my God, oh my God. (laughs) - I was like, baby, let's get it. But the whole, my thing was this bill, when I used to, during that time in Janet, the whole crew of dancers was top level find. - Yeah. - Halo was in there. - Oh my God. - The airs was in there. - Yeah. - Everybody was fine. You didn't think, okay, Janet maybe not, but like maybe give somebody else a spin, see if there was someone, nobody's all professional. Bill Bellamy, consummate professional. - Yeah, but you gotta understand, man, like I don't know who, what artist right now has that energy. I would say Beyonce or whatever at this level. But at that time, Janet Jackson was that girl, like that was the finest sex he has. And you know she always had them sexual undertones with two of her music. She was the first chick that I ever had seen with a belly ring. Like belly wings that she ate off of so much. - No, no, no it has. Like nobody had that big button pierced in '91, '92. - That's real. - Yeah. - So, with the cut jeans and she had abs. Yeah. - Oh, she was super, super sexy. So, and then her, then you know her dances had to be sexy because that's what they were. You know they were young, sexy, beautiful women that could dance, right? And so with that energy man, being around that was nuts. - Damn. Damn. - You're saying, you're saying damn, you wasn't even there. - I wasn't there, not here, at least I remember. - But this was important to me. This is when I came with age. - You're right. - This is when, this, I'm looking at you. Like, you used to do the thing. You'd jump up, grab the ring with both hands, but on the MTV joint. And then, at the same time, we see you with J. and Jackson. We just thought it was a matter of time until we popped up and saw you and J. and Jackson on recover S's magazine, the magazine. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Let me ask you something else. Go ahead. You knew all of these people that were so important to entertainment in terms of like the biggest stars. - Right. - Janet, Tug Park, Michael Jackson, you met all of this stuff. Biggie, is there anybody that we are all wrong on, that is nothing like we think that they are right now? - Uh-oh. I would say Tug Park. Oh, let me tell you what, I think most people get wrong about Tug Park, right? He's definitely the consummate Jim and I, you know what I mean? He was, you know, two dualities, you know, he was, he was on one hand, he was the rapper guy. He was Mr. Charisma. He was very political, you know. He was purposeful with his words. He cared about black women and all this. But on the flip side, he was actually a fun and do with personally and jokes and calling me, I remember he used to call me up and talk about, "You ain't the only funny motherfucker, man." Like, he must be on phone and him saying some bug down shit and I used to be like, "Yo, Park, you crazy." He's like nigga, this time I'm living. And it was so nice that I would have, this side that most people didn't see, 'cause we didn't have social media back then. And then two minutes later, he had a shootout with cops. I was like, what? That's the thing about Parker, you be like, yo, I was just winning him. What happened? This ain't the Oakland thing, was it? No, this was in Atlanta, where he shot-- Oh, the Atlanta, oh, the off-duty cops, that's right. That's right, that's right. I was on MTV at the time and I had just hung out with him, crying to that, and I was like, yo, how do you get in the shootout with cops? Are you kidding me? And where did you get your gun from? It sounded like something was seen from a movie, and it really happened. Yeah. And he got off and the thing was, he got off. That's right, that's right, because he was in the right, actually, he was in the right. He was defending somebody, in that case. And then himself, some something, and two nights later, he was in the club, I was like, all right, cool. Whatever, you live a rock star life, baby. Yeah, you mentioned all those stars in the '90s. One of those stars is your cousin, Shaq. And I know you get asked about Shaq a lot, because you guys are family. But what was that like for you? I mean, you're the biggest comedian in the world at the time. Also, your cousin now is the biggest star in basketball, outside of Michael Jordan, basically. It was. Yeah, how much did you guys talk about that? Yeah. You know what was so crazy, man? Before, we always knew Shaq was going to make it to the league. Like, he's just, I mean, it was just an anomaly to see somebody that big, that athletic. And even though he started playing basketball much later, it still didn't matter. It was just, you know, inevitable that he was going to be a dominant guy, right? I didn't know I was going to be a comedian. Like, I thought I wanted to go to the league. Like everybody from my, my way, we all thought we was going to the NBA. Like if, like, if we was selling drugs, we definitely going to play ball, you know. So like, it was just the one, two in New York, New Jersey. But all jokes aside, the most unbelievable thing about me and Shaq was he was at LSU. I was at Rutgers. I started cooking when he left LSU. So just imagine, he's coming in the league at 95, right? Right? Right. 92 1993. Yeah. Yeah. I too 95 is only be Jordan though in the bulls. Yeah. OK. So 92 just imagine a sweat by the rocket. This is how dope life goes. I just get my MTV job. Shaq is in the league. He's in Orlando. He is Mr. Orlando. I am Mr. MTV. We are at Disney World in Orlando. And I thought I was famous. I said, you know what? I said, yo, you just regular. You just regular, bro. You with me, you with me at Disney World. Big fella. You know, that's the one that joke until we went into the park. Oh my God. I did not know how much love and how famous he was. Because you know, he was like a-- he was like the jolly giant, jolly green giant. Like he was just like this big charismatic, lovable god and everybody loves Shaq. All the kids want to take a picture with him. And if you think I'm lying, the only other person that was at the park that day was Mariah Carey. And nobody even cared about Mariah Carey. [GROANS] God damn. [LAUGHTER] Bro, it was famous, super famous, famous. Shaqil was more famous than all of us put together. And I said, God, I can't beat this dude. But it was a beautiful thing. We were just talking about before you came on. One of the great jobs that doesn't get talked about a lot is the MTV VJ in the '90s. Because at least for us at home, a teenage boy watching you, young brother, famous handsome comedian, and then all these celebrities are coming up. Beautiful women are coming up. So what was it like to be an MTV VJ in the '90s being Bill Bellamy? Like that must have been a lot of fun. Well, I'm going to give you two answers. One, it was a fantastic opportunity to be a young African-American male on a all-white, super-duper, huge platform. It was the bigger than YouTube at the time. So I knew that my purpose was-- I had to do a good job. I was like, yo, man, I can't mess this up. It mean too much to the culture. I was like, MTV is playing our music. Hip hop is turning the corner. Because you got to understand, they wasn't playing hip hop on my show. They was playing MTV. They was playing, yo. And it was mostly underground. It was segmented. Like, rap is over here. Yeah, you're going to be rap-stamp. So MTV Jams was that, cross-overly, where you get in salt and pepper, snoop, ice cube. You get in rap and forte. You get in buster rhymes now. You're not just getting knives. And like, you're not just getting knives. They was playing knives on you. They was playing-- Group pop. If your videos went from yo, so Jams, you went from platinum. You went from go to platinum. That's how important it was. So I was like, yo, this is super-duper dope. And I'm going to tell you how I knew I was an ambassador for the culture. How people was responding to me on the street. Because the people tell you who you are, you know what I mean? It's like guys like you would say, yo, man, yo, we watch you every day be me. How you get that job? Yo, man, I seen you talking to Parker. I seen you with you. What it's like to talk to the West Coast rappers. Like, everybody was living through me because it was stuff they'd never seen before, because we didn't have internet. So I knew I couldn't make no mistakes. I knew I couldn't try to highlight the females that I was interviewing, because I didn't want to keep them going. I didn't want to catch a stray. You know what I said? I was like, now I'm keeping it strictly business. Because if I mess this up, it's a rap. They probably never had another black guy in life. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, as well. It's always kept with the G. You know, always kept with G. And I was just like, yo, it just mean too much for the culture. It means everything to the kids, you know what I mean? And then I was, I was user-friendly for the white suburban kids as well. So it worked. It worked. Yeah, it worked. It worked on all levels. Bill, I'm going to do something. I'm going to put you on the spot real quick. Go ahead. I'm going to put 30 seconds on the clock. Go ahead. I'm going to put, I'm going to put 30 seconds on the clock. All right. And I want you to name as many MTV VJs from the 90s as you can. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Let me know when you're ready. 30 seconds starts now. John Sinccio, Daisy Fuentes, John Stuart, Adam Sandler, Duff, Kennedy, Matt Penfield, Mark Brown, a downtown Julie Brown, Martha Stewart. No, Martha Stewart. Martha Quinn. Martha Quinn. Martha Stewart. Martha Quinn has to do it. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. We try. It's a Nadellus. A Nadellus. A Nadellus. A Nadellus. Rest in peace. And Nadellus, that's a no. We tried to do it before. And you named some names. And I hadn't even thought of. We tried to do it. We were trying to name all the MTV VJs. Because people now, there's no celebrity now like the MTV VJ kind of does it. Maybe the people on, maybe the YouTube influencers and stuff like that. People that are famous that you see all the time. It was hard to tell people just like how crazy you would go. I remember one time I went out to the beach and Martha Quinn was like on the beach. Like interviewing someone or doing something. I was like, I was in LA. I was like, Jesus Christ. She's real person. It's like a big real person. Let me ask you. So the death of the music video. MTV doesn't exist. And in a way, when you watch music videos now, they are just way different than what they were in the 90s. In the 90s, they were true art pieces with gigantic budgets. They birthed some of the greatest directors that we have right now. For someone whose job it was to talk about the music video and and and sell the music video to people. The fact that we don't have music videos right now in a robust way, like we used to, that means what to you? You know, it's actually kind of sad because to me, the music video was like a 3D experience. Like, you know, you heard the music. You imagine in your mind, you know, what a music video would be like. But then when you saw the music video, it would lock you in on the song. on the song. You remember? Yeah. So you like a lot of the title records, you got the album, you rocking it in your headphone, you're like, "Oh, that's my number. I like five, seven, eight." I wonder how they're going to do a music video. I wonder how they're going to do a remix because back then they used to do remixes and it made us enjoy the music even more, especially if they knocked the music video out the part. You like, yo, because the music video would take your single sales through the roof. That's why I think back in the day they used to do such a good job because now you could drop two more. You could drop another single because the first single went through the roof, went platinum on you. And so now you've got to drop two more. That used to be the bomb to me. I'm like, "Now, I'm going YouTube, do shoot, name music videos in a car." Like, "Why are they driving?" [laughter] I have a question because this is a college football podcast and you were in one of the definitive football movies of my lifetime. Any given Sunday, right? So you didn't play football in high school and none like that, though. And the other thing I want to play basketball, you play basketball, right? But you talked about being on set. And first of all, you told a great story about Jim Brown getting body slammed. But you talked about how like the atmosphere on the set gassed you up, too. It's like, "What was it like all y'all being out there on that set that kind of got it?" You know, we got these legendary tussles on that. [laughter] Well, it's funny. For me, any given Sunday, I'm going to say bias that was one of the best football movies ever. 'Cause it made you feel like you was inside the NFL, you know? And so, for me, who always wanted to play football, but I was too skinny, you know what I mean? My parents would never sign that list. They didn't know that way for me to play. So I couldn't, but to be able to do it in my 20s, like, you know, I get a chance to be an athlete or pretend to be an athlete. And now I know NFL players, so they helping me, you know? Me and Terrell Owens is still friends to this day because of any given Sunday. Jocque is green, help me. Deon Sanders helped me. Antonio Freeman helped me. So like, I was in camp with these cats. They was like teaching me how to run routes and how to, you know, come out my breaks and, you know, and how to look real. Like, you, you know, use like your beer menu mechanics got. So their thing was you got to have an NFL player look at you and see you as a football player. Like every movement, how you run your, how you run your slants, how you run your post corner, how you run your hooks. They got to look real. So like, these dudes was on my ass. So for me, I thought I was a football player till I got hit. I thought I was nice. So you really thought you were good. Like, you really were like, oh, I could do this, you know, can pause left and right. I was shaking cats and see you. It's like a car crash. You know, like if you, if you hoping and a dude running to you, dropping shoulder, that's, that's nothing compared to you straight dude, that whole thing to blow your spine out. That is. I'm going to hit so hard one time, bro. I literally saw my spirit float above me. Come back in my body. I was like, yo, I, I was like, yo, guys, you can't hit the actress. That was crazy. Great. He kept it too. He kept it. Your career has been so much time and not only are you here, but you're thriving. And to me, I love to see this. I love to see Army Davidson driving, Bill Bellamy driving, long prestigious careers. Why do you think for you, we never read the headline that Bill Bellamy is fucked up that you out the game. Why didn't you? I was talking to one of my younger homeboys that's getting started doing really well. I said, some of the people in the town, you're going to have to out talent. Some people in the town, you're going to have to outwork. But some people in the town, you just going to have to outlast. And like sometimes you just, you don't have to outlast some of them, just beat it and not let anything take you out of the game. How did you not let anything take you out of the game? Well, I didn't grow up in the Hollywood game, bro. Like I grew up like a civilian, like a real dude from North New Jersey, like not knowing I would ever be an actor, a comedian, or become famous, right? And so I live my life a different way. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like I came out the corporate world. I had structure. Yeah, okay. So coming into me coming into Hollywood was just like it's a business, you know what I'm saying? It was just a different business. Like I'm like, yo, you know, I wasn't doing drugs, you know what I'm saying? I wasn't doing the wild, wild party stuff or, you know, doing the ditty, you know. You know, I missed, I missed, I missed the booty, the ditty thing, you know, the class was doing a thing. And I was, you know, I was at the crib, you know, the funny thing made my boys always laugh. Like, because I wasn't even drinking. I was like 34. Let me tell you how cool I was, right? When, when, when catch was, you know, doing the ditty parties and party was playing Madden for money. You can ask everybody in the 90s, me, Warren G, Morris Chestnut. We had true. That's good. Catch was playing Madden for thousands of dollars in a day. Wow. Bro, I mean, I lost so much money playing Madden. Who is the best? Who is the best player? The dopest dude that I lost money to was Warren G. You know, he's, I'm gonna tell you right now, man, you don't set up your articles. You already cook, help me. This is what I knew. I thought I was nice when I played Warren G and he took 10 minutes setting up all his articles. I was like, yeah, nah, you're a drumman. Oh, man, no huddle offense. Warren taught me the layers to man and backwards because he was so meticulous. He had, he had bluffs. He had. Oh, yo, man, ask him if you ever interview Warren G here to get a silent count. Yeah. Wait. So give it. See real is the people who came over to to these madden get this sounds fun as hell, man, like who else was. It was all the all the hip hop guys. Catch was back then. Catch was traveling with their controllers. You got to understand a man came out early 90s. Yeah. Yeah. So man and man and was big and also NBA NBA life. NBA life. NBA life. The NBA, 56. Yeah, I was cute. Warren G. Uh, Snoop was playing. Um, you know, I'm trying to think of some of the RB. A lot of RB cats in New York was playing a rapper's because Matt and was like part of the culture. Yeah. I don't know. And cats would be like, yo, we on tour. Hey, man, bring your man, bro. I want you. Bring your. Hey, man, bring your little bitch ass controller, homie. And then you quit unplug the game. Some cats would unplug the game. Reset the game. I know. No honor on a magic. Perfect. So you was, I know that that is out here. I know some of the guys those because I'm, you know, shout out to my man doing Martin. Shout out to a lot of other people that was out here really hooping. Yeah. Out here in that later runs, was almost the celebrities. I know that I, I, I hear the stories. And most stories you hear, they put Duane on like a different level of basketball because he really gets busy, right? Yeah. Yeah. At that time, he was really good too. Yeah. And who, who was at that time, when you had runs, the celebrity runs. Who were the guys that were actual real hoopers that could actually go in the 90s that we play with that you play Lex. Flex, um, Don Dre, um, briming night. Yeah, you heard. Yeah. I heard about you was getting the all-star game. Yeah. Yeah. This guy named Brooklyn, who's an actor. Oh, no, hold shout out to my man like cold. And by the way, shout out to him. Everything he'd been through and he'd come through Brooklyn. Brooklyn was the toughest guard. He was a lefty. His jumper was crazy. I mean, strong, too though. I played with him. Yeah, like I played with him like 10 years ago. is going to be like, oh. - Oh, yeah, Alan Payne used to play with us. We had, you got to understand when I moved to L.A., we used to have a real celebrity league. Like, these dudes was damn near semi-prose. Like, it was Cat's dad, played in college and didn't make it, but now they're acting and we had a bunch of really, really, really good runs in the early '90s, which ended up turning to the NBA entertainment league, if you remember that. - I do remember that for the time of the year. - That's what that was all about. - So my team, my team was nuts. Like, we was being cast by 30s, 35. We was, we was running through cats. It was, you know, let me tell you how crazy my team was. Our team was so crazy when we came to the NBA entertainment league, they was like, yo, B-Man, they gotta be real actors. How many credits you got? We was mopping everybody up. Three-body was catching it. It was crazy. And all the hot chicks was at our games. That was another place. If you were single, you used to go to the games on Sunday, buddy, boy, crazy, it was crazy. - So I got one last question, and in some ways, it's kind of under the rest, but I'm going to ask it because there's a list of comedians that I want to see if you're familiar with, okay? - All right. - So this is the, like, Tom Segura, definitely no time. We, our kids went to same school, go. - Okay. - Sebastian Manescalco. - Work with him. - Great dude. - Yeah, okay. - T-Jole. - Hey, don't know anybody. - Stop it. Just keep doing it. Just keep doing it. Just keep doing it. I got to do more names. - Bird, right, sure. - Bird, right. - I don't know bird. I don't know bird. Okay. All right. - Brett Krier. Never met Brett Krier. Bill Invesal. I know Bill is, but I've never met him, like, in person, but I definitely know Bill is, yes. Okay. - All right. That was my list of five. I think it does confirm what I've been saying, but that's fine. - So, Bill, let me ask you a question. You know who all those guys are though, right? Some of them you've met, some of them you haven't. - No, you said you didn't know Brett Krier. - You said you didn't know Brett Krier. - I didn't know Brett Krier. - Okay. So this is the thing that I've been seeing the work. - Doesn't let you know, Bill, we, I used to box Tom Segura. I know Tom Segura, big comedians. Sebastian Manescalco, big comedians. Joe here don't know no comedians. I know black comedians. - Joe, all the black comedians we know shout out to all of them, but Joe is looking at us crazy, because I tell him he should know who Sebastian Manescalco is. - Oh, he should know who's for her. - You know who he is, right? - Do you, do you know how this happens? - Sebastian's big time, you crazy. He's John Key. You don't know who Joe Krier is, that's crazy. No man, no, look, no Bill, listen. The way that this happened was that we were going to have Tom Segura on the show, and the whole, I was like, oh, I don't, I'm familiar with this work. I mean, you know, I'm sorry. I didn't know who Tom Segura was. - Is Halal too. The ridiculously fine. I believe it. - He just saw him like two weeks ago at a restaurant. I mean, I believe it, but they were going on and I was like, y'all talking like, this is my fucking Bill Bellamy. - That's how we got here, Bill. - Yeah, that's how we got here. - I like that, I like that. - You like that, yeah. - Joe's like, we're going to get a real comedian. Let's get Bill Bellamy. - And then we was like, man, yeah. That would be don't have Bill Bellamy, don't. He ain't Bill Bellamy, you ain't Bill Bellamy, man. - Some gangster shit, right? I like that. He ain't Bill Bellamy, don't. - I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you a funny story real quick before we get out of here, right? So, you know, when you have kids, you don't know if your kids, you know, you know, get who you are, you know, my kids, my kids is like 19, 22, whatever, right? - This is the funniest way my son said to me. He was like, yo, dad, like, yo, you was on Bill Lair, you move it. (laughter) - I'm going to tell you what I'm saying. - He was like, yo, dad, my friends are going crazy, you on Bill Lair, I was like, what about 28 years of work? No. - Bill, they never even saw you in like, love Jones done like that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, I'm saying for the next generation, all right, I'll give you another one that's funny. So, I'm somewhere, right? And this young chick, she might be like, 20. And she was like, oh my god, my cousin and my aunt is going crazy, who are you? (laughter) I say, call your mama, call your mama right now. All right, go. Right, the mom gets on the phone. She's like, so, you know, I got to stay in my generation, you know what I'm saying? - Bill, okay, we're not going to hold you. You reminded me of one more question. I always want to ask you this. So, in the theaters, just one more question. I always, in the theaters, I go to see how to be a player, right? One of my, one of my goats. We all went, we all even go to the, we all went to go see the movies. We go in Bad Rouge Louisiana. We go see how to be a player. - Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. Everybody in this lit. - Yeah, man, everybody in the movie, Max Julian, the whole night, right? Like, the whole joint, we go and see movies, we can see how you play it. - At the end of the movie, because Mari Moro is in this movie, and she is the cold, so cold, there's like, super cold, but at the end of the movie, because, long before he plays your girlfriend, and at the end of the movie, very famously, Mari Moro, you finally get with her, but then she hangs you out to dry, and she says, adapt, because real players adapt. If y'all don't know, he's talking about how to be a player, and he says, you really, Bill's character says, you really can't put a real player in a position that he can't adapt and get out of. And at the end of the movie, Mari Moro, like legitimately, like, think she leaves her underwear, or something like that, and then she says her shoes, to indict her, and then-- And she says, adapt. In that situation, how would you adapt? I always told myself, because it seemed like she got you. How would you adapt? Can you adapt out of what happened at the end of "Dev Jam's How to Be a Player?" - Well, in real life, probably not, and let's say I'm in this movie, but in movie magic, let me tell y'all some of the-- I've been told a lot of people about the film, so we had two scenarios. We had the scenario where I literally got away with it, none of the women like the movie. Women, when they screened the movie, and they tested the movie back then, they used to do test audiences. All the women hated me getting away with it. - Wow. Me getting caught gave the movie redemption, and so they kept-- they used that ending, because it would have been too slick for me to just be like magically to get out of it. You feel me? So, in respect to the film, I thought that it was definitely gave it more believability, because obviously, when she came up to staircase, we're weirded. I felt the other stuff. Yeah. You know the time frame from her coming up to staircase to the other chick being in the bed to her coming around thing, and I'm just laying in sleep was nuts. She would have had to be in the toilet. - Right. That cast was incredible, because even the-- - Bernie Mack. - Yeah. - Well, I'll tell you what he taught. - You can't say the women, man. - The women. - You can't say that. - Because you just don't know the cast. - You just don't know the Smith was one of the few white women that you could say was attractive in front of black women and black women would not argue with you. - They had to say-- - They were like, I can see that. - Yes, so. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because Amber was at that time. She's probably about six feet tall, five, eleven. And she was a playboy. She was a playboy model at the time, actress. And so that was her big deal, big tall blonde chick. And so, when I did how to be a player, I kind of wanted every kind of chick. Like, I felt like-- I wanted it to be like, basking Robbins. Like, there's all kinds of fun. There's all kinds of like-- - Yeah, yeah. - You know, I tracked the women. I didn't all want all the girls to look like video girls and shit, you know. So, when we were casting the girls, I was hand-picking the ones that I was like, yeah, she'll be this one. She's the earthy, you know. She'll be like my earthy chick that got instance in her crib. We got the little fly Jamaican chick. She got her little vibe. She come over with her little curry gold. And, you know, she was like, "I don't have the little white chick that was the nurse, you know, cool, cool, cool." You know, I had the SNM chick that was wow, you know, then I had to cue the cutie that was my main chick that was like, "Dope." Like, "LarkVorhees was like the joint you would want to be your main chick." Anyway, yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. I want to have many people in our audience. No, he's talking about Lisa turtle Lord Boer. He's might have been top 10 finest sister in the game. Oh, oh, oh, yeah, my crazy cold like cold as cold can get, like, yeah, come on, man. That's that's that's vintage cold. Don't get. Yeah, that's cold. That's literally cold, that's cold. And it's how she showed up and something. Yeah, what? Yeah, Lord was so goddamn fine. Oh, natural. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, to see you know, the young, the young brothers is right now they got filters on the cheeks. And 90 in the 90s look like that for real. Yeah. Oh, man, I gotta go, man, I gotta, I gotta do two more interviews. Yeah, we're gonna help. Yeah, we're gonna help you out there. Bill, appreciate you coming to the show, man. Thanks so much. Absolutely, man. Love you guys. I appreciate you. All right. There you have it. Bill Bellamy. Appreciate him coming to the show. Sounds like he's a, you know, some like we can get back on the show at some point. We have a lot more questions that we weren't able to get to. I wanted to ask about Rutgers football. He did go to Rutgers. That is the birthplace of college football. We are college football show. Forgot to ask about that. But regardless, love to have him on the show. Joel did it live up to your expectations. Oh, yeah. But I mean, for again, as far as it's you may do pre Janet thing. I mean, yeah, you feel vindicated. He said things that I would have never said in public, you know, about how that all went down in the surprise of it. So he kind of covered it all. And I feel like it's somebody who was a who was contemporaneous to all that right in the middle of it. If that's what he says, I kind of got to go with Bill Bellamy on that. And not a bunch of people on the internet who are saying, well, you don't understand women because sometimes women would like you if you have a personality or you are brilliant. Motherfucker, I understand how the world worked dark. But I also, there was only a couple of people that said that there was a lot more people that were no, no, no, no. So there, so this was there was a clear dividing line here. The dividing line was a lot of people was like, so I'll tell you how I feel about the dividing line was a lot of people were with you know, straight up straight like a lot of people with you know, a lot of women were with you. Let's be honest with you. Let's keep it all real. Well, say this. I do feel like there's a fundamental misunderstanding of like powerful ladies. And I could go down a list, bro. A list Julia Roberts. I love it. Like I could like Billy Bob Thornton is with Angelina Jolie at her height. I don't know. You know, it's a handsome kind of smoldering dude. I could understand what I like what like what I'm saying like Billy Bob Thornton is not the type of guy that you would think, but like the whole thing of Billy Bob Thornton was like a big deal. Right. He's he was a cool guy. Jermaine Dupree. Well, it is an iconic super important. Absolutely. Hop legend. Like, okay, give me example. Bill Clinton. Right. Maybe not a super great guy. Probably worshiping Bathamette in 1995 with on Epstein Island, but like Bill Clinton. Right. But Bill Clinton. When when women were actually into Bill Clinton. He actually Bill Clinton is not like a straight up like handsome devil standingly handsome guy. But Bill Clinton is the president. And he's soft. And he's powerful. Got charisma. Yeah. Got charisma. Like we're into that. What are we? What? What do you want? What do you want to happen here? Do you want us to be inventive? And that Jermaine Dupree's got charisma. I mean, Bill, again, I get I'm not denying that it's a baby. He's got a talent talent. I can in the industry. But did you hear what Bill Bellamy said about it? And that's not understand that. Yeah. Okay. And people think that and people think and people thought that just you could have everything that Jermaine Dupree is, but also somebody in a more conventionally attractive package. But they're not many guys who are that understand. Yeah. Well, there's not many of those guys. Period. But like, Jenny Jackson. What do you say, what do you say? Hold on. Hold on. I think he just agreed. Yeah. You just agreed. They're not many of those guys. Period, which hold on. I'm 30 seconds. Period. And rarity. Even up the chain. Right. Up that even for men. The reason why men, when they get super famous, they'll go and get like a Victoria secret model. They don't just go to a college if you're choosing and grab the baddest chick. Some of them do. But the reason why is because they start to look for women who are not only beautiful. Yeah. Also exceedingly right. Right. Like Jenny Jackson. Like, like, and Jenny and Jenny. And Bill Bellamy told you. Bill Bellamy told you what the hour. By the way. And by the way, Jenny Jackson had come off dating a guy named Renee Elizondo again. Yeah. Who was a handsome guy, right. Right. But didn't really have any type of stature. And she wanted a guy with stature. She was made up to get power for guy. Huh? Before she had to yell the bars for a second. She liked she liked a tie. It seemed at the time a type of handsome guy. Right. And so when she was fighting with Bill Bellamy, everybody understood what that meant. It's like, oh, Bill Bellamy is a tall handsome charismatic funny dude. And again, it does know I then it's just unfortunate because I'm a big social deaf fan. I was listening to funk the fight the other day. I don't want to talk about it like this, but we all know what's happening. We all know we all know where Bill Bellamy meant. And you didn't argue. You didn't argue with him. You didn't keep the same energy with Bill Bellamy because you knew because you knew that no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, you cut. I tell you why I tell you why I did. I tell you why I didn't keep the same energy with Bill Bellamy. Yeah. Because Bill Bellamy was telling his story. Okay. He was there. So like Bill Bellamy is telling the story of how he felt. He's not giving his opinion on something. He's telling the story of how he felt. But I'll tell you one thing. If Bill Bellamy would have said that women like Janet Jackson don't go for guys like Jermaine Dupri, I would have told him and given him in from he was saying the way he felt. Right. You said what you said, he was like, he didn't know he was in the game. Like what what you said straight up was that you said that like there's no way or like that. Like Jan Jackson, women like Jan Jackson don't date guys like Jermaine Dupri and they do like they really do like again, we do. But we just also it was a surprise. I can understand the third examples of that from life. But again, it was Janet Jackson. It was Janet Jackson who had a track record of dating a certain kind of handsome guy. Jermaine Dupri was none of those things, right? But he was very talented. Come on, brother. He was much bigger music like that. All those other stuff. Yeah, let's move on because Bill Bellamy said it all. You did. You said you said it, Janet Jackson, like when Dave Spell said he made thriller. So I'm the same tone of voice. That was yeah, man. Let's get to our top five headlines of the week. Let's start here. Joe sent this to the group chat. Nobody responded, but it was a good point and a good story. Leonard Fordnet talking about life after football. He said, quote, I would get a bet at 2 a.m. drive around and cry. We talked about this with Marcus, I'm more a little bit just about like the impact of football on you. And I thought Leonard Fordnet. This was a podcast clip that kind of, you know, struck the same chord there. And I thought this was an interesting story and also a nice thing that Joe sent over to the people. But Joe, when you saw this clip, your thoughts. Oh, no, I just always think about how difficult that must be because even if you were like into the roster scrub like me, somebody who was delusional enough, even in college, that they'll think, man, I might have a chance to win the highs. You know, in like, at the moment that it's all over, it's just a really difficult transition in your life. Like, Oh, man, I'll never wear shoulder pads again. I'll never hear a stadium full of people like a plot for me again. And I did nothing compared to Leonard for net. Like I heard about Leonard for net when he was a sophomore in high school. I have a friend, man, from St. Aug. Yeah. I have a friend from St. Aug who was talking about Leonard for that when he was in ninth grade. So he's been that nigga for like 20 years of his life. And for all be over, I can totally understand how you'd be like, Oh, man, I don't see you never have to do. Oh, you never heard of the danian time or something? Yeah, you did you happen to forget the ladenian time Sun is a T.C. You alone. He was a man. Yeah, he was a man. Yeah, he's a hollow family. He's great. He's great. Very good football player. It turned out to be better in college and post in Leonard for net. You don't think a shot at Leonard for net. I mean, he's trying to talk to talk to check this shot at my school. Take you, man, I'll tell you bro, I don't want to say. This is what it's all for net. This is our I still say physical physical is a physically dominating athletic back. It was a great. I love Lena for that. I think there's a great one. Yeah, but I mean, it's the day and Thomas is in a different corner of the game though. That's all right. Yeah, you know, I mean, you know I could say a lot of things about the day and time, but there's not much you can't say the man is fantastic into the best. It's great. He's the great. He's fucking great. He's fantastic. He's the best. He's the man. He's fantastic. All of that. Go ahead and cry about Lena for that. Go ahead. I'm not about. I'm not about Lena for that. But I tell you this, I'm glad to see there were two fucking interviews that I watched. I watched Lena for that. Watch this clip. And then I watch also to real prior. Oh, yeah. I saw that. And I am interested to see as to that. Talks because everybody talks about the fact that there was only impermancible benefits and different types of deals being made for happening where else he talked about all this up that went on, but I'm interested to hear these guys tell their stories because these young men and they're young relatively in their life. They're still young enough to really talk about this and be able to like really lock in on what happened, right. Oh, what was going on and I talk about something that happened 15 20 fit 30. Well, sometimes it's 15, but like they're talking about things that existed that are still relatively contemporary and they're still living their lives and dealing with in real time. The results of their football career. So it's just very interesting to me to hit these young brothers talk about what it was like to have to give the game up the same reason why the same way we have Marcus a lot of moral and it was fantastic. Yeah, can you look for net is only 31 years old. Yeah, only 30. 31. He has a lot of life. And this is just the last thing on this because people are talking about. I mean, they're again, they're trying to over inflate how much they actually care about the academic careers of football players because we know that like for the most part football coaches want to cordon them off on a particular part of campus take classes that align best with the schedule and not with their interests are all that kind of stuff. But I was just thinking about this man. Somebody needs to tell these boys and this is me being an anchor right here. You shouldn't wait to find your second dream or your second purpose in life. Like if you can do it, man, like please don't put all of your eggs in one basket, even if you seem destined for starting to think about being a coach. I just want to teach a family was up here, man. And he's like, I don't know if I want to be a coach, dark. You know, I want to play and I'm just like damn bro, but like you've been in a lot of different systems. You've got a lot of different experiences like maybe that would translate and you'd be able to relate to kids. And recruit them and teach them, you know, you've learned from a lot of different quarterback coaches and he hadn't even thought about it, you know, he just thought the best way the thing that he could do was to keep playing. And I don't know man, think about being a teacher, think about being a comedian and influence or whatever, but I just feel like if you wait till it's all over, you've waited too late. But it doesn't mean that you can't still find purpose. That's all. Of course, what I will say is for a lot of people and I know a lot of athletes personally, they find that in college. When they're in college, they are turned on to a lot of different things. They are a lot of options around you. They have a lot of options. They take a lot of different trips. So we talk about sometimes as college continues to be something that's like professionalized and becomes a professional sport. Why that's fantastic for the athlete and it is fantastic to make a lot of money doing something that a very low percentage of people can do. However, the college experience itself is valuable for a lot of people. I know personally, forget about anything else that we're talking about. If you're a young man and you're coming out of Idleia, you're coming out of like Neville, you're coming out of a small place. Baton Rouge is not New York. It's not like whatever. But when you get on campus, when you get on campus, though, you meet a lot of different types of people. And you meet people that have been a lot of different types of places. And if you allow yourself, if there's room for you to stay in a place, developing, grow, not only tentacles throughout the state, like connections throughout the state, but really other places. When a colleague is cousins played, he played D1 ball at Arizona, and he was a starter for Arizona. And just the people that he was around that were different from the people where he were from that had different experiences than the people that he were from, like making college all about being a minor league, professional league or a professional league itself does have a cost. Because for now, you can take the money and go do a lot of things with it. But then there are stories like TJ Finley where you chase it and you can't give up the idea that you're going to get a big back somewhere. And the opportunities that are right in front of you as not just a college student, but someone who exists in the culture where there are lots of different opportunities and lots of different types of intellectual curiosities, that might not seem as valuable. So everything has a cost. There's a negotiation to everything. And we have to be honest about the fact that there are a lot of brothers, a lot of athletes, a lot of people, they're going to find themselves in situations where they're like my life's purpose is over at 31 years old. And you don't want them to be there. And like you said, the opportunities are right around you. It's also nice socialization wise just to be around people that are also, even if they're not playing a sport, trying to find what they want to do in life too. And that can inform what you want to do when you meet people and the networks that you have around you, it all sort of matter. Well, I thought about Von Miller being like the largest black chicken egg farmer in the country. You know, I'm saying about taking a class on campus, like that is sort of the ideal of all of this. And what I would say is I agree with everything Vance said except, you know, I sometimes think that the schools and the administrations bear some responsibility to hell worth. Of course, for this turnover to fit into facility that the kind of environment. I'm just adding on to that. A lot of times they say that they want to do that. But like you said, Joel, they send you down a track where, you know, there's not really a possible thing and you're isolated with your team. In my opinion, good coaches do do it. Yeah, I'm serious. In my opinion, good college coaches are teachers like their teachers and their players, like the really good ones, their players are so loyal to them. They're so loyal to them because they treat this as more than just a job. That is what separates them. Like, for example, Brian Kelly, Brian Kelly. One of our one of our old old centers talks about the fact that he never really talked to Brian Kelly. They didn't have a relationship. It's like, I never really had to like you see me. Hello, good coaches are interested. If only for cynical reasons and what's going on with their players developing their players and they're there for them players, if it's only to get the best out of them. If it's only to make those players run through walls for them. If it's not for any other reason, other than that, but they realize that that's a part of the job. I agree. And I hope worth it. There were more of them. The other thing that I would say is I was trying to say this is like, just go ask any of these coaches. If they're, you know, 50% of their players could do a summer internship with the company, like somewhere else, right? Like they're like, they got to go work in Minneapolis. Like see what they would say, like, how, how much their academic careers and how, how, how could certainly about the professional lives, right? It would be like, no, you got to be down here and work out, right? Because it's a job and that's they want them to prioritize it. And so that's all, that's all I have to say about it. I think we've, you know, I think we're all on the same thing. I think we're all the same page, too. You mentioned to Real prior. Let's talk about Ohio State Ryan Day. Head coach of the Buckeye said this quote, if you're not a first or second rounder, then this probably isn't the right place for you. So he is definitely professionalized the situation there. There was some former Ohio State players that were fourth round picks, fifth round picks, seventh round picks. I have to guys that were responding to this and say, damn coach, tell me how you really feel. Van, when you hear Ryan Day saying that, do you think this is more just a pitch recruiting pitch, or do you think this is actually what he believes? Man, you know, I'm saying, man, you know, let this ain't a quiet part all out, right? But what he's telling you right now is that he runs in the lead chip. And if you're projected to be that, then he wants you. And if they got to develop you. He's taking you from a two star to a four year, not into that. That's not what they trying to do. And that's where we at. It's it. It's very professional. I mean, that's where we at. Like if you, if you have first or second round measurables, we want you. If you don't, we like, like we don't. Top 64 player in your draft class, we don't care. Well, the difference is it used to be that like, you couldn't really, you couldn't really say that like you could say it, everybody feels that way. But what used to happen is that you used to have to develop some guys that weren't like that. Like they're on every, on your favorite college football team, the most elite college football teams, there were guys that weren't good enough to play in the NFL. That contributed. Yeah. That contributed. There were good college players that weren't going to have to play in the NFL. And not only were they not good enough to play in the NFL, they weren't good enough to get drafted high. They weren't good enough. And you have to develop them. But now the checkbook is open so big, you can go by the guys you need. If you can afford a team of all first and second round type prospects, you can have one. I mean, the rest of the guys go to TCU. TCU is a good team and they have played it. That's right. And it played in a national championship more recently than LSU, but that's fine. And also I've never won one, but that's I'm going to go. That's okay. Cool. Are you happy? Are you happy? Don't forget about 2014 TCU fan. Yeah. - Oh, that's right, I forgot about that. - I mean, also, I mean, they went undefeated and finished number two in 2010. And if you consider that maybe Cam Newton got paid to play at a time when I was not allowed, you make them indelible. I think I'm still considering T.C. and I was champion for that year. Let me just real quick for the Ryan Day thing. I just think that we don't have to take him literally in this situation. I think when you go to Trump thing. - Yo, listen, oh, that's your boy. Tell me what is a Trump thing? Cause I'd get a little bit more into it. - You're doing the Trump thing to where someone actually says something? - He says nothing. - He actually say it plainly. And then somebody else, like Trump says, hey, I wanna kidnap a star, right? And then bring it and put it in my backyard. And I'm gonna walk around with that star on my back and I'm just gonna burn up anyone who's not mad. And the mega people go, oh, Mr. Trump, saw 2001 at Space Odyssey. He's talking about the third or fourth scene, blah, blah, blah, or Trump says, I'm going to murder cats. And they go, have you ever seen the movie cats? It was really terrible. This is what Mr. Trump really means. Where he actually says something straight up. And then people are willing to translate it for him. So that's what you're doing for Ryan Day. - Here's the number of first and second rounders drafted out of Ohio State since he been there. 3 in 2019, 4 in 2020, 3 in 2021, 2 in 2022, 3 in 2023, 2 in 2024. And then he has seven last year, 2025. So it's getting better, the numbers are up there. But that was off a national champion. So I think he understands that he doesn't have all first and second round players on his team. But I took from what he was saying there is that to come here, you kind of have to have that mentality that like either you're that or you're gonna be playing against that in hopes that you can get to be that. That's like the kind of mentality that fueled USC on a Pete Carroll when he talked about compete every day. When you go to Miami and those tight ends of the running backs would line up, they'd be like, well, they've already got Clinton, Portis, James Johnson. They've already got, you know, I'm trying to remember Jeremy Shockey, whoever else and Jeremy Shockey and Katen. Wasn't Kellen Winslow the second? But you go there. - You two from the U. - Yeah, you think you go there because you think, well, I'm that kind of a dude. And if that's the kind of place where these bad asses are, I need to be there. So that's what I think, that's what I think Ryan Day, because he literally knows he does not have a roster of first and second rounders. - Yeah, you would have an NFL team at that point. But yeah, the implication was there is that we won pros, which goes back to what we were just talking about before that. Next story, big one, cow athletics has gotten rid of their entire marketing department. And they said that they're gonna do a, quote, complete redefinition of how we operate. And so cow athletics is, you know, kind of signaling a change in the whole ecosystem here by getting rid of. I think it was 25 people that they got rid of. Joel, you send this story to us. - I didn't respond to that. - Nobody responded, so I wanted to give you the floor to let people know what your thoughts are. - Oh, no, I just thought it was interesting. Father, I mean, cow was broke. I mean, you know, they're basketball team, everybody left, Justin Pippin, Day Day Ames, everybody. - All that money must have gone to keeping JKS there. - I think so, you know what I mean? - They needed a lot of money. - I thought for sure he was gonna be gone. - We call Hollywood's mother's, he was, Hollywood's mother was gonna transfer. I thought for sure he was gonna transfer by dating. - He didn't, he stayed. I mean, they touched the poor, the new head coach. He tells the story on other podcasts that he, when he met with the team on that day, he was like, where's JKS? And they're like, oh, he's back home in Hawaii. And so he went and bought himself a ticket and flew to Hawaii there and talked to him. - Yeah, right, it was that big of a deal for him. - So, yeah, I mean, but Kyle, man, look. - Also, when your former quarterback before him left and won the Heisman and the National Championship, I think it makes it even more imperative to keep your quarterback. - Yeah, you try to, 'cause you see what happens, you export that type of talent. - Yeah, I mean, look, man, also then ACC, bro, it just doesn't make any sense. It's a lot of money, man, that they're spending to do this bullshit. They don't need to be in that league and they're broke. And so something's gonna have to happen. When people talk about crisis and college sports, what's this gonna have to be about schools like Kyle, looking at themselves and being like, what are we doing here? Like, what is going to make more sense for running a sensible athletic department and leaving a conference where almost everybody is on the other coast, might have to be one of those things. - But you're cutting support staff basically to then pay for players, right? I mean, that's sort of the idea there. - Pay for a lot of things. I mean, they are literally tens of millions in deficit every year. And they get paid. - The reality is, the reality is the economics of college football and now costing people their jobs. - What do you cause? - Capital. Everybody wants to do a capitalism. Nobody wants to talk about the downstream effects of it. That's what a deal is. Yes, people are going to get paid. It's going to, the world trickle down right there. - I think there is going, but there is a cost. And that is not the only cost. And one of the costs is, as the players become more expensive, some people that are surrounding it, those people will lose their money. - So many of those jobs, yes, so many of those jobs were created because they weren't playing the players in the first place. Exactly. - Whatever. - But I'm free. - But I'm free. - But I'm free. - But they put their bodies on the line. - But I'm telling you right now, there are people. Again, there's the way that it goes and we, and creating a hierarchy of who's, whose money is important is the way that America works. - All right. - Oh, yeah. - I'm interested in the players getting paid. - Exactly. - They can find it somewhere else. And also those are jobs that they don't even have lack of loans for a bro. - Okay, so what I'm saying is, we're not going to play. - So I see that and see all these jobs, these, these, these like, ebbo jobs or these like, no fraternity jobs, all this shit. - For fraternity. - You go in those jobs, you go in those places, and you'll see nobody that used to play there. Like maybe every night, I'm going to play a music. - Yeah, I'm not in any way saying for the program. - Again, I'm not in. - I'm not in. - I'm not in. - I'm not in. - If I'm not having to play the boys, and that's what I'm saying. - I'm not in any way saying that what Joel is saying right now is untrue, he would know I wouldn't. I don't like as far as what I know is what I could observe from places that I've been programs that I know. What I'm saying is this. I'm saying as in America, as you, you take money and put money at the top of something, there's going to be an economic response to that. And there are going to be people that will have jobs where they will take their kids to Sizzler, and they come home now, broke ass kids, can't go to Sizzler. It's like, dad, dad, dad, can we go get a hamburger and go down the water slide? Fuck it son, not only can we not go down the water slide, but it's time for you to get a job. So, we need to take you over to the dairy queen, listening to an ice cream now. Dad used to have a job at Cal. - Yeah. - Now we got to pay 70 million-- - You know who they should be mad at? - You know who they should be mad at? - You know what I'm going to tell you? And it's gravy. It's all gravy. You know what I'm saying, it's a cost, Joel. - They should be mad at it. - Those young niggas with all that money. Those millionaire niggas out there, that's who they should be mad at. That's not it at all. - That's just keeping the money from those, that's because that's what everybody wants you to believe. - Not at all. - Those are the like patronage jobs. The coaches get beef millionaires. The athletic directors get to be so many hundred thousandaires. All these other people, but it's like, oh yeah, they never pay for the labor that keeps all this going. - Now they got a pay. - And now that you got, you don't have a job, it's because of them, not because of all this bullshit, our infrastructure we built around the game. - Hey, what I'm, Joel is right. Everything that Joel just said is correct. This is the day of wrong for van. He's right. I am saying that people are going to lose their jobs. They're going to be people around this sport, who are less talented than the athletes that play it. And they're going to lose their jobs. - Yeah, the coaches won't fire themselves. - All of this, there's going to be stress on all of these situations. And look, once again, this is the way America works. The way America works is you pay a bunch of money to the people all the way at the top. A huge amount of money to them. - They're taking a lot. - And you hope against hope that the people that are, you know, working people, even other athletes, you hope that the people that are working people in the middle and at the lower that don't run for three, four days, you hope that they can sustain that cow that clearly couldn't. - Niggas are checking your money, man. That's obvious. It's like, oh, it's the oldest. - It's the oldest. It's just the top. The top is reallocating the money. That's what it comes down to. - They want the info, but it's really a top where the money is reallocating. - And by the way, and by the way, see the point that Joel is making about how this is an issue. I don't run, you know why I don't run from that point? Because do you know what we talk about? We talk about income inequality or wealth disparity, income disparity between black people and white people all the time. Something that's actually underdiscussed is income and wealth disparity from inside the community. - Oh, yeah. - So there is, so to other black people, to people, yeah. There are niggas who are taking your money. They're like, from inside the community, intercommunity, wealth, and income inequality is a major, major, and all of these places where they tell you it's a mecca here, come here, we got the most black millionaires, we got the most this, we got the most that, I will tell you that the system that we live in, the system of capitalism that we live in, even in those places is picking a couple of winners and fucking the rest of the black people. So in this situation, I don't know who's, whatever, all that stuff. But yeah, when you flood a bunch of money into a situation like that and then choose which people make all of the money, even if it's a workforce that you think is a worthy workforce. And I'm not saying that it's not, these are the same type of people that I grew up with, one house over, one town over in my community, cool. But like that is going to have a downstream effect. - Yeah, I think you just buy in the bullshit that they have to fire the people. I don't assume, they are broke, but they run deficits every year, okay? They didn't have to, to me, I don't find 30 people, man. I mean, come on, that's a drop in the bucket. I don't buy the assumption that these people have to be laid off. I think that they could find margins elsewhere that they just choose not to. - Well, this is the way I look at it. Right now, Disney, last year, made something like $12 billion. Disney paid zero taxes. To be zero taxes. Matter of fact, they got like a $1.7 million tax rebate or something like that, something happened. They fired 1,000 people. And so what I'm saying is the money, which is good, we live in a capitalist society. Nobody here is working for free. Maybe to do it. But like nobody here is working for free. But the money changes things. That's it, so we'll see what the next batch is. We're not gonna stop. We'll see what the next batch is. - Yeah, well, I hope they find ways to eliminate waste amongst those really high up jobs and athletic departments and stuff. I hope they do that. That would be great. - Yeah, we'll see what happens. Next story, Florida A&M. This is an academic band that they have. But they have created a portal loophole because of the academic band. So you have players that are basically open season. The portal is not open, but you have players because of the academic band that can be poached from this roster. This is a story that Joel also sent us. Joel, your thoughts on this as well. - Did you not give you this word? - Okay, I don't want it to be your goal. - I don't want it to be your goal. - That's what it takes. - Not all the links are meant to be put into the show. - Look, we need headlines. - They could just be a conversation point. I'm trying to start conversations and I'm trying to start conversation with you about this. I want to get your thoughts on it. - I love the loophole. - I love a portal loophole. - Well, I mean, I think it kind of stinks for FAM. There used to be the goal standard of HBCU football programs. It has a proud tradition and legacy. And the fact of the matter is that these APR penalties tend to hit HBCUs disproportionately. There's reasons for that. Like FAM is taking athletes. FAM is taking athletes that probably don't have very many other options, right? And in a number of ways. They also have a postseason band. - And they have a postseason band, yeah, man. And so I just, I have a whole thing about like tying academic eligibility to athletics participation that I'm not going to get into here. But I mean, it just sucks, man. I feel bad for FAM. They've had all the, I mean, man, they've had just problems with the administration. It's, they got a new school president that was installed by Ron DeSantis. There's just a lot of shit going on there, man. And beneath the surface, like HBCUs are in a lot of trouble, man, on a lot of levels across the South. And this is like one of those things I look at. And it's just, it's one thing. It's a football team that's facing a postseason band and, and, you know, whatever. But in diminished practice time, they get to practice less now. Because, because presumably that will help people to graduate. But it's a real perilous time for HBCUs right now. And I think this is just a sign. It's just a, you know, just a little symptom of a deeper sickness that is going on. And I just, I hope they'll always be here. I wish they were healthier. - Yeah, I mean, the HBCUs, like, if it gets people to know, HBCUs have been systematically underfunded, even the ones that are land-grant universities, like since the time that they've been around. Like it's, so I could go into a host's spiel about the reasons that the HBCUs were started, why the HBCUs exists, and then the intentionality of underfunding the HBCUs. We'll say this though. One of the most valuable things that exists at the HBCUs, the football program. And one of the most valuable things that exists at the football program is the football player. And what happened, what used to happen was, you were bounced from a LSU, there was a receiver, a couple people actually, receiver, they Michael Haynes, it literally was a dog, right? It's one plan that Southern bounces from LSU, goes to Southern, right? Sure, there'll be some guys like that now. But now what you're gonna see is every single one of these guys that exists at these programs become, I mean, now they will be harvested. - Yeah, going from HBCU to a PWI, right? - Right, they will be harvested now. And like, for schools that were already struggling to, and had a resource that was very valuable, this is my time before it's gone. - Yeah, it's kind of similar to the Cal thing, it's a symptom of a larger problem, which is why it's a story there. - Or a larger reality, maybe it's not a problem. Hey, they have a problem. - Well, I mean, look, man, I mean, to think about higher education right now is innocent in a really bad state. Or the University of Oregon was talking about having to make a lot of cuts just today, right? Like, did they're in financial trouble and they may be facing wider layoffs? Like, the problem with higher education in this country is because a group of politicians are starving these universities, they're cutting, and cutting a cut them because they resent them. They don't like them as centers of power and influence in this country. And so, yeah, so it's, you know, HBCU's, which were always getting dogged out and treated, you know, got the, always got the scrap, the relative scraps, they were being treated accordingly in this environment. So, I mean, higher education in this country is a concern. And I actually think one of the sad things is that football and basketball fool us into thinking that, like, there's this robust academic culture in this country and that we prioritize higher education when in actuality, they are decaying right now. So, you know, anyway, but we don't, that's why I didn't mean to get that. I don't know what that happened, I'm sorry. - But, like, not to be anti-capitalist again, but one reason why, like, one reason why it's decaying is because of the influx of money, the privatization of these schools. And the way that that changes the structures of them. - And the people in power, add those plays. - And the polarization of power, right? - Right, change in the board of trustees. - But there's actual data on what percentage of California was educated when the California university system was free. Or when it was very low cost if you lived in California. Now, it is not low cost. And not only does that change how educated your population is. And also changes like considerations of how people go to school, the type of debt that they have to take on to go to school, the quality of the education that they are getting, don't get me wrong, the cows. - And if the return on investment is there, right? I mean, now you go spend all this money, you're not guaranteed to get it back. - So, all of that stuff, it like becomes a deal. And that has a different sort of cultural tinge to it, where it was just a bunch of people after a certain time that went, "You know what, I shouldn't have to pay for your fucking education." Like, what does it do for me that you are smart? Like, and they can't see what community actually means in having an educated neighbor or neighbors who don't. Like, they don't see like, or people just exist without a whole bunch of fucking debt. Like, why that's a good thing? - Also, you can wield power amongst the Dumber electorate, you know what I mean? - Absolutely. - So, all of this stuff is a consideration. But to some of the problems that exist in higher education, to me, are directly related to just how for profit it's become in a long time. And the fact that it's not a public good anymore. - Mm-hmm. There you go. Last one, this is a more of a football fun story. Bryce Underwood, behind the back touchdown pass. We got the video here for you, it has it. - Okay, let's see, let's do this. - So, you know, this is the time where we start leaking out videos and getting people excited. Look at this. Bryce, rollin' to his right. - Oh, that's a bad motherfucker right there. - Yeah, that looks good. - That's good. - Oh, yeah. - You think I'll winning him like that? - I think so. I think he's like, you know, I think that was, that looks like a return on investment right there to keep him in Michigan. - Yeah. - What a great play. - Yeah, I look for, I hope that brother really shines this year, man. I'm looking forward to seeing his growth in development and becoming, I mean, all the talent is there. But can I just real quick, can you believe Kyle Whittingham? Is it Michigan? Because Utah couldn't wait to elevate Morgan Scally. And look, I just, because our business is the way it is, nobody ever talks about how crazy it is, that Utah ran off one of the best coaches in school history to get a guy who was suspended because he found out been using racist slurs to describe black players he recruited from Texas. Like, that's the guy Utah couldn't wait to get Kyle Whittingham. - And they ran him off. - They ran him off. - Sayin' he was gonna retire. - They ran him off. Yeah, Kyle Whittingham thought he was retired. - Hey, Utah's like, we gotta get rid of that motherfucker, man, 'cause we gotta get Morgan Scally in here. I just feel like that's crazy. And I wish more people would talk about it because I'm like, what is? I mean, again, I know Scally, he's a Utah alum. He played there. All, you know, evidently he has a good football mind. He's been coaching waiting for a number of years, but I just can't believe. - Young guy. - Young guy. - I can't believe Kyle gave Bryce Underwood Kyle Whittingham, because y'all had to have that guy as your head coach. just crazy. Yeah, I mean, it kind of worked out perfectly for winning him though. Now that he walks into one of the best jobs in the country and one of the best quarterbacks in the country. So worked out in the end a little bit. I think when he happens going to do wonders, I think the system is going to do wonders for Bryce Underwood. Yeah. Bryce Underwood's development next year is going to be one of the main stories to follow on college football. Yeah, I'm right there with you. Just won the basketball national championship. Might be in a conversation, get to the playoff in football. We'll see what happens. Billy, are you there? Let's bring on Billy. This is Billy's last call. This is a special segment that we have here. Let's raise the roof. All right. Your hurry up. My wife is, my wife is telling me I got a few minutes. I got to go get my girl. I mean, you spend it. I was there. I was there. So, uh, I'm not, I didn't debate. I don't believe in capitalism either. I'm on the same side. I have, uh, I have an update here. If you guys would want one last week, we sent, uh, we sent the gators out and we had a task for the gators. Because we, uh, we haven't officially announced it, but like we're trying to do a 227 homecoming for Joel here. You know what's right now. And I was thinking, and I was thinking, what better week for 227. I always see you. I wish you a happy birthday, baby. I'm just, look, this is a thread. We just got to connect the dots from episode to episode. We asked the gators to help us with something. We got to follow. Exactly. We reward them. So I'm thinking this hasn't been approved by anyone, but I'm thinking maybe we do 227 homecoming for T, T, T, T, T use actual homecoming week. October 24th. What are you guys thinking? Hmm. I can't wait. That sounds great. Now, I want, I can't wait. We gotta do a tussle. Well, I'm glad that you brought that up, Van, because part of the problem is in order to have a 227 homecoming, we need to figure out where 227 was. So we asked the gators out there to help us figure out what dorm 227 was in. You asked, what the fuck? What happened? We asked this on the, on last week on the episode. We said, we got to find out what you were here. Yeah, Joe, Joe, you were here. I thought you had a personal request. No, no, and Joe, Joe does not want to be helpful, because I had a gator reach out to me and say, I think I know which dorm 227 was in. I think that it was in Montcrive Hall. And I put that out there in the group text and Joel said that is not the dorm that 227 was in, correct? Joel, that's not where it is. Yeah. Okay. So then we're then having to start from square one, because we thought that we figured out which dorm room it was in. And then he's telling us that's not the building. So I say, well, there has to be a way to verify where this is. Do I reach out to be yo? Do I reach out to stanger? Do I reach out to fat count? Like fat, fat gail, get out. Who do I talk to? Black Superman? Like, how do I figure out where it is that 227 was? And fortunately, fortunately, I was able to track down someone that could help us identify where 227 is. So Fris, if you can, please roll the video where we have confirmed where 227 is. I have my fuckers wanting to come to my dorm room wanting to challenge me because they'd be surprised. They'd be like, damn, Joel, got that motherfucker on his back like that. I had beat a couple dudes wrestling, dog. Just like, just, you know, kind of getting them up, you know, him and them up or whatever. And they was just like, I wasn't a top recruit or anything. So it was kind of embarrassing to a couple of dudes. And so they're going back for a second. One night, I swear to God. I mean, I'm in Montcreefall room 227. I mean, Montcreefall room 227. Joel, the fact that you know the source is probably the best part of this. Well, you know what? You know what? Obviously, I didn't know once you had to go look it up. That's fine. I was never going to help you. And I'm not going to help you now. Well, you don't need any help. We figured it out. Yeah, I mean, I reached to seven. I reached out to plat plat. Told me where was that? I'm just wondering now, Joel, as a journalist, why, why you're lying when you're asked questions? No, I was going to tell you the truth. Why are you so against this, Joel? Because I don't, I don't want to talk about it anymore. Because I don't, yeah, I feel like it's over. I feel like, you know, it's, it's kind of, I'm trying to think that there was something that happened. And at first, it's like, you know what? I don't mind that. And then after a while, I was kind of like, you know what? I don't like it when that happens. And so I don't want, I don't want any more information out there about two, two, seven. I mean, you know, you could do whatever you want. Again, I'm not trying to stop you. I'm telling you, we want to go back there out of here. Y'all honor me. It's an easy flight to Dallas. We drive over to Fort Worth. We put up a plaque or something, you know, Tussle territory, something like that. I think we should do the pod into due seven. I think we should go there. I'm on the door. Yes, we could take over. I have a, maybe Joel Tussles with the people that are living in. We'll talk about this on the text. And I know it'll be a one-way conversation. Okay. Let's try. Well, you lied on the other texts. Honestly, it little hurt by the fact that we're trying to do that. I don't know if there's any TCAs at TCU listening. They can get us access or maybe connect us. Maybe a listener. As an HTCU allow, I hope you would do your best to protect me, you know, and don't and don't and don't respond to it. It's nonsense. You're being modest. You just don't want the honor, I think. Did you know a little history about Moncree Fall? Oh, I don't want to know. Oh, no. Hey, look, my daughter, man, I got to go get her. Better first to get to a playground. It's better. It's better. Moncree Fall was built in 1988. And according to TCU resident life, that is the same year that never going to give you up by Rick Astley, hit number one on the charts. Okay. What a fantastic fact right there about TCU. You just got Rick rolled. You got Rick Roll. It's true. It's like Moncree Fall, man. It sounds like a move when you're tussling. Sick. Hey, man. Rick Roll. Fat count Roll. Fat count Rick Roll. The shit out of you. That's my nigga. Fat count. That's a real name right there, bro. I think if we go to TCU and we do a podcast in 2 2 7, that might be the biggest show we do. Yeah. I think no, let's go to Dublin. I'll go to that. Also, let's go. I'm done. We've got this is going to show us going on long enough. Joel, the fact that you outed the whole situation. I didn't out out shit. I just said that I wasn't going to help. I wasn't going to help Billy with this. And I'm not going to now. You did help Billy. Yeah, the video. Yeah. Yeah. You did it. Okay. It's like you, Joel, you did it, bro. It was Joel. I guess you all clearly talked about this on another text threat that I wasn't involved in. No, we didn't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You did doc. You said it was the top special special. This is Bill. This is Bill. This is when you all are not responding to me on our main thread. There was supposed to be discussing the show. You know, I'm coming up with shit like this. Moncree fall to two seven. Mm-hmm. Maybe a lot of podcasts. All right. Yeah. Let's go. Let's go. What's happening? I need to go see my. I got to go get Lonnie. All right. So you got to raise it for Moncree fall. Yeah. You got to raise it for Moncree fall. Don't raise it. I'm not going to raise it. Joel. Joel. Joel. Joel. Joel. Joel. I always stayed in Moncree fall for one semester. Right? Maybe two. Yeah. One semester. So I would have a lot of trouble. One semester. Yeah. Think about how many puzzles, bro. Think about how many puzzles is happening. Yeah. Hey, I got to go get my daughter. Yeah. Yeah. I care about. Yeah. I care about my daughter. She just turned 19 months that other day. Oh, very special. Shout out. I love that. But that's 19 months isn't something we celebrate. 18 months is a year and a half. 19 months is a year and seven months. Who celebrates that? No, you do every month until they turn two. But you had you had an actual birthday for your son this week and your celebrate 19 months. And I'm and I mentioned there's every. I will do that. Yeah. I'll do that. I mentioned there's one on the show last week. Lonnie was Lonnie's but you know we market on the 14th of every month. So we go get it. Is it on the 14th? You just market that day. 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