Big Bob Defender

No, it's fair. I mean, I think you're a loser forever reasons, but this one's not you know, I gotta tell you I threw you a belt high fastball there and you sent like that like berry bonds into my cubby cold. Good on you, Kyle. Welcome to 32 Thoughts, the podcast. I'm Sharmati, Elliott Friedman, Kyle Bacchus back with you, Elliott. You spent a late Wednesday night in studio with David and Justin Luke watching and covering the Toronto Maple Leafs in Seattle, Kraken, out West. And you said on the air that you are a big Bob Defender as in surge, but brosky, of course, got the start again for Toronto. Tough to defend a night where you give up five on 17. Now these nights happen. Of course, nobody is perfect in the net. I feel, Elliott, that already here were about a month into the season now. There has already been, I want to say an unhealthy amount of discourse in terms of the brosky's usage versus stole ours, the sports science equation, all of it. It's got a lot of airtime, I feel, for one month into a three year deal. And I guess a performance like we saw on Wednesday night from the Toronto goalie certainly isn't going to quiet that conversation any time soon. What are your thoughts? He had a rough night on Wednesday. There's no hiding that. There's no defending that. There's no sugar coating that. The fourth one was rough and the fifth one was worse. Seattle ran a great face off play that sprang on tour wide open. And the Maple Leafs let him get a good shot away, but it can't go through you like that. It's that simple. And as you said, I am a big Bob defender, and I'm not anywhere near as panicked about his performance so far as some other people are, but he had to have that one. And it cost them a point like that was a game that should have been in overtime and the crack in the Maple Leafs playing for the third, the winner point as opposed to the loser point. I think he's given up three goals and nine of 10 starts as is that what it is at least three. And that's not pretty. No question about it, but on the goals saved above expected number, his totals have been pretty good. Like they bleed chances and they bleed good chances. You know, a couple of the goals that he gave up in this particular one were great chances, but that was the first one I really looked at where I said, and especially since the Calgary one, he got beaten high, which he does from time to time on Monday night, but you know, that was the first one I really looked at and said, oh, that was a really ugly performance from him tonight. And because he's 38 years old and because he's signed to a three year deal and because he's in Toronto, there's going to be extra scrutiny and we'll see what they do on Saturday, the next game in Vancouver, but that was a rough night and there's no defending it. Now, did you good game, though? Crake, yeah, entertaining wise good. I mean, Toronto didn't lead at any point of the night, but you know, again, another night, they were down going into the third and Calgary nearly crawled back and down two going into the third in Seattle, got it tied with a minute 29 left of Matthew's three points, Gavin McKenna, three more points, got top line billing here on Wednesday night with the injury to Marchenko. Did you have any issue with them going back to Burbrowski to begin with on this night? Cause I know in the second end of the mission, there was a lot of talk of the rollout Stolars and the third or the stick with Bob. I was a little bit surprised and you know, they've gone consistently to Stolars once a week. And if you look at it, they've generally been the last week he played on the Tuesday in Columbus and the Saturday in Edmonton. And the week before I think he played on a Tuesday. So it's kind of the way they've done it with him. You know, the one thing about after the Calgary game, Burbrowski was and you got beat a couple times high there, but Burbrowski was asked about, you know, the goals he gave up and he goes, I thought I was pretty good. And when that happens, I wonder if you just look at your number one goalie, the guy who's going to carry the mail and you say, he's our guy. And if he thought he felt good, we're we're going to try our best to make sure he continues to feel good. And plus also there's there's a bunch of days off. So I was a little bit surprised, but not a time. All this cooling stuff and we'll get to cooling a couple minutes. There was the Joe Rogan shout out this week. It's getting so much attention for everything as he said. We talked so much about mindset, right? And I always remember Mike Weir. And it's been a long time since Weir was at his apex and golf, but I've never forgotten this. So Weir would be in scrums and stuff when he'd miss pots and he'd talk about, oh, I thought I hit a spike mark or it, you know, something happened. The green wasn't perfectly taken care of. And that's why he missed the pot. And I remember seeing a bunch of this from time to time. And I said to Bob Weeks, who's one of the great golf reporters, I said, does he take responsibility for anything? Like it's wild. He never missed. It's always something else is fault. And Bob Weeks told me that Mike Weir had a confidence problem. And one of the ways he heard his sports psychologist fixed it was to say, look, you missed the pot. It wasn't your fault. Some part of your environment wasn't the best. And that's why you missed. And the reason was that Weir struggled with his confidence so much that if he missed his pot, he would get crushed mentally and he couldn't get back there. And I always appreciated Bob telling me that story because it gave me a window into the way that people think even elite athletes struggle with their confidence in this way. So when I read Butbrowski's quotes after the Calgary game, I was like, I won't be surprised if they put them back there. And they did. And now, you know, I just quickly before I came on the pod, I looked at his quotes. I listened to his quotes from after this game. And he basically admitted, yeah, the last one was bad. But otherwise they got good chances. And again, I'm very interested to see like they go no game till Saturday and then no game till Tuesday, right? And you're always interested in, okay, when's it not, when do they like that you mix the sports science that they do with the mental training that you believe in? What does Toronto think is right for Bobbrowski here? It's going to be really interesting to watch because we talked about it. This is this is just the beginning of a relationship between a goalie that's been around a long time that and we talked about this plot before. I mean, certainly has his routines, has his ways that he's found that's worked for him, but he's open to ideas of new ways to get better. And at 38 years old, you know, find and trying to find some answers to have a little more consistent results on the ice. And of course, the environment around him plays a big part in that too. And that was echoed by some of his teammates, Matthews among them in the post game as well as as they did their part in trying to protect their their teammate after after a tough night. Also, I just want to say quickly before we move on from this game, I'm glad you touched on, I think it was in the pregame show on Berkeley cat in a Seattle. You look great on Wednesday. I mean, it opens the score. It is rare that I when I talk about it, the pregame looks smart. Yeah, I will say it's usually a disaster. Teams right into sports net to say, please don't have Elliott talk about our players in the pregame. We'll be doomed. I really like cat. And that's a hit for the crack. And that that kid's a good player, man. Yeah, long way to go, but I mean, Seattle's off to a pretty good start in a tough conference and tricky division too. So not a bad October for them at all. So you mentioned go ahead. Just so Jim Hiller just said in the post game, he never thought about pulling Nebraska. This, this is interesting to me because Justin, who I think is a great analyst, really jumped on this. I do think there's a bit of a sports science thing here. Andy O'Brien who runs it for the leaves is a, is a super bright guy, really smart. And Stolars has his injury history and he's played pretty well. And sometimes I look at this and I think they're, they kind of protect him. And you'll remember last week when they played a back-to-back and they played San Jose on the Monday and Columbus on the Tuesday, they dressed actimov. They're goalie of the future in both games. And Stolars didn't dress the Monday and Babrosky didn't dress the Tuesday. And you know, when, when Hillers is not at all, I'm sure there's some belief in this future Hall of Famer, but I can't help but look at it and say, are they nervous about putting Stolars in? when he doesn't have a proper warm up and sitting cold for two periods? That's a really good point. Do you think, and maybe it's foolish that you and I that have really no credentials to be talking in depth about goal-tening at all? We are experts on everything. People should know that. We've seen the stats, the amount of goals on Bebrowski that go up high or beat him over the shoulder. I mean, think about it. Just from human anatomy, picture yourself at 25 years old in a goal-tening stance. Your legs are fresh, your knees are springy, you can be in a crotch position, but still be up, and now picture yourself doing that at, say, 38 and picture yourself now at doing it at your current age. Once you go down into that crotch position, it's a little harder to be up again. It's just the way the body works, and I imagine, obviously, it's on a different scale for a high-end athlete like Bebrowski, but I was talking to somebody who, it's a prominent voice, I would say, in the goal-tening community. I think he's, in terms of there's to be some high-end goalies that they really respect and values his opinion. And his point was we need to start treating goal tenders almost like pictures in Major League Baseball. We talked a couple weeks ago about the reverse VH position and the long-term effects that that has on knees and ankles and hips and all of that, that almost like even in a practice, someone's keeping track of, all right, you can go into that position X number of times today, and that's it. Or you can go down into the butterfly and up again X number of times again, because there's a certain odometer that your body has for these types of movements because of how much force is behind it now. And Bebrowski was one of the first guys to really use that movement, that positioning at the NHL level as often as he did. And I think a lot of goalies took, took their cues from that. So, I mean, he's got a guy that takes obviously great care of his body. There's no questioning that, but he's just got a lot of miles just in terms of how he moves alone. Anyway, it's going to be interesting, the monitor. Everybody's down on Bebrowski tonight. I'm just doing a quick scroll through social media. He's getting pounded. That happens. I don't overreact. It's a really rough night. And again, I think if you look at the goals above expected, his numbers are actually not bad. I didn't see what they were after the game. His numbers are actually not bad. A lot of runway left here, but it was a bad night. You know, one other thing I wanted to say about Seattle, you know, there's been a lot of talk about their desire to get another forward. And I think they're especially looking for a winger with some size, some power. I've also heard they've taken a real run at trying to get Vince Donne signed. Will Vince get done, as I said, in the second intermission. And the reaction to that exact quote was predictable. I'll give you one example, Noah Williams, Instagram DM, please apologize for the Vince Donne pun. I almost threw up. And I don't think you were the only one, sir. I've heard they're really trying to get that one done. And you know, Quinn Hughes is obviously the number one D available right now. And but I think that number two is the the Kraken blue liner. Obviously he's got he's got the hammer here. But we'll see what Seattle does because he's a good player. And actually, somebody sent me an interview. I think it was with one of the team broadcasters. I can't remember and I apologize if that's wrong. But he said he wanted to stay. So the price has gone up for a lot of these guys, but they're chatting. All right. Well, you just mentioned Quinn Hughes. Do you want to touch on the comments that Bill Garen had on Wednesday? I have to just let Quinn do his thing, have his interviews, say what he needs to say. I don't, you know, I'm not going to try to get in his head. And honestly, all I'm doing right now is letting this kid play hockey. And you know what, he's playing great. He's helping us win games. Like I've always said, whatever will happen will happen. And right now the only person that knows what's going on in Quinn's head is Quinn. And that's okay. And you know what, I just want to keep moving forward as a team and keep trying to win games. Yeah, it was, it was interesting. You know, obviously Garen doesn't have the answer here that he wants. And we're all at Quinn Hughes's mercy, right? And so is Garen. And you know, obviously everybody knows what my prediction was. I thought he was going to sign three times 18 in the summer that clearly didn't happen. My opinion, Kyle, I think the wild have made it pretty clear. The max is 20.8 right now, right? Because the cap is 104 million in the max is 20% of the cap, which is 10.4 times two. So it's 20.8. My opinion is that the wild will tell him or have told him, we'll do the max. You tell us the term, he will give you the max if that's what you want. And I'm sure he's well aware of that. But he hasn't given an answer. It's, it reminds me a lot of Carolina with Miko Rancinan and Carolina pivoted, right? In a, in a really difficult spot, they traded Rancinan for Logan Stankovan, who became a pretty important piece of a Stanley Cup champion. So the thing that Carolina has proven is that it's not impossible. However, I would say that Hughes isn't even tougher trade, potentially than Rancinan, because as great a player as Rancinan is, there are more of him than there are of Queen Hughes. So, so, you know, we'll see what Garen does here. One of the things that I think is pretty unique for the wild is the farthest they've ever gone in the playoffs was the Western conference final, and that was 24 years ago. 2003. Yes, sir. I feel that on a night, the Brewer's won the World Series, and I'm very happy for them. I should use this Bob Euker line. They don't call them the best color man, the league for nothing, folks. Just trying to help. Thank you. And this is probably as much an ownership call as it is a Garen call, but so, as Kyle mentioned, 2003 and, you know, other than that, they've only been out of the first round once since 2015. And that was last year. If I really thought I could win the Stanley Cup, really thought I could win it, I might just go for it. And I think they could potentially win it. Like, do you think I'm wrong in saying the wild could win the Stanley Cup this year? No, but I think there's, there's a few teams sitting here at the end of October where you're saying the same thing. Of course, of course, of course, you're right. Of course, you're right. You never know, right? Stanley Cup finals, tough trophy to win. But if I thought I had a reasonable chance knowing the history of the wild, and also they would know more than we do about what potential, what potential trades could be available? Kyle, I might just say, want to get nuts? Let's get nuts. We're keeping him and we're going for it. Because, yeah, if we're going to compare the situation slightly to Carolina, I mean, you know how the hurricanes look at things and which players fit what they are trying to do and how they want to play. I think that was part of the appeal, too, of targeting the players they did, whether it's from Dallas, Brandon was actually a bad fit. Stylistically, he was a bad fit for them, too. Yeah, that was part that wasn't the biggest part of the program. problem, but it was a part of the problem. And so they go, okay, we're trading away an excellent player, but we are getting players back that we believe we can plug into our lineup right now. And they can be impactful guys in their ways. To your point about Quinn Hughes, it would be hard to see a trade out there this year where you go, yeah, it's tough to say goodbye to Quinn Hughes, but look at who we're getting back in return that's helping us try to win a Stanley Cup this year right now. I'm not sure. All say about that is, all say about that is is that after what Carolina did, I would be less afraid of it if you got the, if you had somebody you thought was the right fit. Right, but I guess also my point is, Ranton wasn't a good fit in Carolina. You're certainly not saying that about Hughes in the, no, I don't, right? Like he looks great. He's fantastic. I can see that to you. The bottom line is, if I was in Minnesota shoes, like you've never been close to the Stanley Cup. Never. You've never made the final. You've made the conference final once. You've been in the second round once in 12 years. If you've really think you've got a chance, go for it. If you lose, you lose. But if you win, you're a God forever. No question. And then what happens after that, don't matter because you have your, your championship. And I think this is one that, all right, let's see what plays out here over the next little bit. Maybe our questions are answered for us between now and late February. But I think at that point, let's see where the wild are at, how they look, what we think they're capable of. And then you feel a certain way about it. But you and I are of the same mind. Like you're, you're in this, this game to win. If you have a chance to go for it, we'd rather put my chips in that pile than the safety one. If you're in a position like Minnesota is, I would love it if they came out to their fan base and said, look, we don't know where this is all going. All we know is we are in it to win it right now. And that's all we're concerned about. And then say it's very long with you. Bingo. Bingo. Fascinating stuff. Bill Garen, straps in like Lewis Hamilton on the back stretch. Full throttle. Yes. Yeah. My imitation of an engine, by the way. Yes. That was it. You nailed it. I was like, I was down in the paddocks. Did we ever talk about when we get 136 a.m. Yeah. That's the best imitation of an engine I can do at this time. Did we ever talk about what we did the simulation in in Monkton last season? I don't know if we ever did. That was a great time. Yeah. That was great. I just yeah, I every time I looked over at you, you were somewhere off off track trying to reverse. Wait, they got a sec. Hold on. That's the way I drive in real life, too. Yeah. That was good. All right, Elliott. I'm almost hesitant to go down this path here because we've done it a lot. I think Red Wing's fans have more than had their fill of it. And certainly we have expelled enough time and thought discussing it, but when you talk about Quinn Hughes and what's going to happen in Minnesota when you're looking at Connor Halibuk pick up a victory in his first game in a devil's uniform, that file is now closed. We know how that one ended. I guess he can't help but think that the heat continues to turn up further and Detroit to figure out not only with their captain but they're unsigned young defenseman as well and Simon Edvard. So I was up late writing on Tuesday night slash Wednesday. And I woke up to a series of texts on Wednesday morning saying "Larkin's not a practice." I was like, "Oh no." And I got to work on it and I was meeting in stay, but we're all on alert. There was a Red Wing's fan who sent me a DM, great Red Wing's fan. And they said, "I am so tired of hearing about Larkin and Edvardson." And I said to them, "Me too." Actually, I didn't respond to them. I didn't get a chance, but my initial reaction was "Me too." You know it was more tired of it? Sean Horkov, Edvardson, and Larkin, and their representatives. But you know, the thing is now that the Hellowbach deal has done and that's over like they could share the spotlight a little bit. Now it's all on those guys. I have to say too that it would make me nervous if I was everybody involved too. Look, this league, 84 games, bumps and bruises, happens all the time, perfectly normal. But I would be terrified if I was everybody involved here of a Larkin injury because it screws the whole thing up, right? And I just, I couldn't help but think that now that the Hellowbach one is done, this house everybody going to handle an even more intense spotlight than it already has been. And if Larkin is battling any kind of injury, and again, this might just be regular bumps and bruises, but it made me think, "What if we go the next step?" and I hope it doesn't happen. How is everyone here going to manage it? Horkov has made it very clear, both publicly and to all the teams out there, that they have a target and they're not making any trades without the target. I do think that the Red Wings and the Sharks have talked about Edvardson pretty deeply. I don't know that that's going to happen because I'm not sure what the Sharks are willing to do here, the Red Wings like, but I do think those teams have talked about them pretty extensively. The Larkin stuff, Eric Engels had a really good article about Montreal and Larkin, and I stick to what I said the other day that they're going to have to reverse engineer this one, but again, I think there's a lot of talk there, and so far the Red Wings are just holding firm in we have a line. You know, with this whole thing with Hughes too, and we were just talking about Minnesota, just the fact that Montreal is even now kind of in the picture, you wonder if Garen has any room to move. Garen talks about I come in hot, right? I offer my best. Before it was three teams, then it was six teams, then it was ten teams. Now it's, you know, now we've got ten and maybe another one or two. You know, it's been reported and I think it's true that Buffalo was tried to get in there. Like, can we do something and maybe you know what the Sabers have to do? They have to schedule a game at home against Minnesota where every Sabers fan gets in there and yells, we want Larkin, so they can get on the list too. You know, everybody's trying, but it did make me think, is there, does Garen have any movement here from what he's done to try and get this over the finish line? Eric also mentioned that piece, like how many Canadians games Chris Draper has visited too. He was in Washington on Wednesday night. Hey, I don't have just an air tag in Clemenson's carry on. I've got one in drabors too. So it was, it was Washington Philly. Yes. And he was there. Washington is on Larkin's list and he's, I'm sure he's looking at one of the protuses there, right? Yes. That would make sense. Although the one somebody told me hasn't played great yet this year. Lexi or Ilya? I think it was Ilya. If I'm wrong, if younger, if I slandered the wrong one, I apologize, but someone actually was at that game tonight, sent me a note and saying he hasn't had a great, a great start to the year, but it's early. So what Eric wrote in his piece, like the the ask, he's the word prohibitive in terms of how much Detroit is asking for for Larkin. Do you think that their, their ass there would be much higher than even a younger defenseman in Davidson this case may because of the cost certainty a team will be getting in Larkin for a number of years beyond this one. Yeah, you know, here's the thing. Like, you know, like if they're if they're talking on Montreal, um, yeah, Collier dragging me into an area. Anyway, you know, they're probably talking about Hage, um, you know, he's at Michigan, um, Horkov can fall off his driveway and basically be at, be an Ann Arbor. So I'm sure that, you know, that's the, that's the name everybody's talking about here. I have to say this, there's a reason that talking about Hage and any of these deals and what he might want to do is personally uncomfortable for me. Every, you know, if you don't know Hage's story, there've been some great work, including by sports net about the, the draft story of Michael Hage's father was a huge Canadian's fan passed away. And when the Canadians took him, it was such a wonderful thing for his family. Um, and you remember the celebrations when he was taken there, you know, Hage and I have one thing in common. I lost a parent of very young age. My mother passed away when I was 11 and, you know, especially knowing that history and how much it meant for him to be drafted by the Canadians. I don't like the speculation about what Hage might want to do. And all of you out there can say I'm soft or a loser. I don't care. I don't, I don't like speculating on this story. I think it's fair to say that the Red Wings are probably going to ask, I just don't know what's going to happen here. I, I, you know, I'm sure the Red Wings are going to ask, I have, I have heard that the Canadians still love the player. But for the reasons I just explained, I'm not comfortable speculating on it. I'm really not. And if you think I'm a loser, that's just fine. No, it's fair. I mean, I think you're a loser for other reasons, but this one's not. You know what I got to tell you? I threw you a belt high fastball there and you sent like that like berry bonds into my cubby cold. Good on you, Kyle. Thank you. So the Ottawa center is Elliott. I mean, they've, they've dealt with their fair share of injuries and it's a pretty prominent ones already this season. It looks like Thomas Shabbat could be getting close to returning. That's a good thing, but the other night in Vegas, we see a worn fog will go down. It wasn't optimistic from Travis Green and in the post game. So our team that's already been without William Ecklin for most of this year. And when it comes to scoring help in Ottawa, what are you hearing in terms of what they might be looking at? So there were some rumors about Tara Vineen on the weekend from Chicago who's actually been running their power play. And I looked into that and I was told it wasn't true. And I heard that from a couple places. So I don't know. I don't know about the Tara Vineen stuff. I wanted to also do shout out to Ian Mendez from Ottawa. He's getting some big award. The order of Ottawa. The order of, I don't know, the order of Ottawa, key to the city. Yes. So there's four members now of the SENS organization who are getting the order of Ottawa, the late Brian Murray, Chris Phillips and Cyril leader. And Ian is very deserving. Like so shout out Ian. Congratulations. You've put up for me with me for 20 years. You probably deserve even better than that. But I have no doubt that they're looking around. But I had, I had checked Tara Vineen on the weekend and been told that wasn't the case. Never know. Things could change. People could be trying to avoid things or maybe your circumstances evolve. But that was what I heard on the weekend. I actually thought, I actually thought Ottawa was pretty good against Vegas. They, they lost the game, but they had Vegas on the run for about 30 minutes. And Aiden Hill was fantastic before Vegas got their legs and caught them and won that game. But yeah, you look at it. You're missing Eclan. You're missing Fogel. You could definitely use some depth. There's no questionable debt. And I know I'm stating the obvious here, but it is, it's quite something to watch. The overnight effect, even if you're still looking at it as a team going, okay, how do we get more scoring? But how, how different it changes for them having Jake Sanderson back in the fold just in terms of different ways they can go about generating it? The power play is one thing, but the way he gets up the ice and transports the puck up ice, it's just an element that is like, you can't replace it or try to replicate it in any way, shape, or form when he's not there. So his return has been, been so huge for them too. Not the same, but Zube too. I think he's such an important player for them and a guy who likes it there. So that's another one. Another piece of business. We'll see what gets done over the wall. You want to ask me about Cooley. You know, Ryan Hoska didn't have a big update at the end of the game. By the goal he text me to say, you always worry about the high ankle sprain on a play like that. I, I hope that's not the case. He's playing great in those, those high ankle sprains are brutal, like just brutal. So I hope that's that's not there. Cooley's been a man of the hour the last couple of days. He's getting Joe Rogan shout outs. Yeah, he was on with sports center in the States. Yeah, he's a Brendan Parker. It should be taken 10% of all this stuff. That's right. Knowing Brennan he'll ask for 25, but Brendan like, be satisfied with 10, okay? Yeah, yeah. No, it's, it's transcended hockey. It's, it's not often that, especially on the interview front that this trickles out of the hockey verse, but, but Devon Cooley's managed to, to do it. Yeah, I was just, it was tough to see him go down on on Wednesday, but of course, you know, Dustin Wolf comes in plays the last two periods and, you know, he had kind of gotten lost in this where Cooley got hot. The team was doing well. And I think that was at the fifth straight start that Cooley had on Wednesday in Edmonton. And there's a guy that, I mean, it's just beginning his long term deal that he signed with the organization. I mean, here's the opportunity where it didn't have a great start to the year. Yeah. Now the teams playing better than they were off the hop. Like, now, now you've got to, you've got to grab hold of this thing and, and remind everybody, you know, why Calgary committed that term and that amount of dollars to you and the first place. And, and what put you in that, that position there? So I'm, I'm really going to be curious to see how Wolf handles things going forward if we're anticipating Cooley to, to miss at least a little bit of time here. And by the way, there is another injury on Calgary's horizon that we're waiting some clarity on. And so Conor Zari didn't play last weekend in the American Hockey League. You miss both games. And all they're saying is lower body, but we're waiting some clarity on exactly what this is and how long it's going to be. And as everybody knows, Zari's kind of out there. So that's not one. By the way, I, Kevin Ball, that guy's turned out to be a heck of a player. And Kyle, what did you think of the collision? Because Doc had another one later in the game and some of the flames fans I see on social media, they were, they were ready to storm Edmonton. They were so mad about what happened in that game. Yeah. The first one, you know, watching it back over and over again. And I tend to, to try to lean towards giving the attacking player the benefit of the doubt only because it happened so fast in real time. And when you lose your balance is like, I don't care how good of a skater you are, but like when your center of gravity is now knocked off kilter, it's completely different set of circumstances. But because I know, I think it was Morgan Frost that was, was coming in from behind and trying to, to twist him around a little bit. I just, I didn't like the route that he had though to begin with. I think even, I mean, maybe if he's not bothered there, he has a chance to, to park the brakes in time before making real collision. But I certainly didn't think he put himself in a, in a scenario where he could go around him over the top of the crease. You know what I mean, Elliot. So for that, I, I didn't love it. But I think if, if you're a flames fan, you know, maybe you're looking for a little more of a response from the, the rest of the guys, especially if it happens a second time with the same player later in the game. I don't know what you thought. So I watched Ryan Huska post game and Huska said that the first one he was driving the net and the second one he was knocked in by one of the flames on players. There's no intent. It is, it just shows you it is interesting how the game has changed. You know, now, okay, did he mean to do it or did he not mean to do it? You know, I'm an old man at 56. They're there when I grew up watching hockey. it didn't matter if you meant to do it or not. It's kill him, kill him and rip the marrow out of his bones. And it just shows you how much the sport has evolved. And but, you know, there are some teams if that would happen against now, they wouldn't care if that was intent. So someone just sent me a note, Kyle, that cool you put something on Instagram tonight, injuries suck, but I'm a very fast healer can't wait to be back. And what a great opportunity to reset myself physically, mentally and find ways to gain an edge in my game off the ice so I can come back even better than before. Sometimes what we don't ever want to happen could end up being exactly what we need. So it looks like he's going to miss a little bit of time. Unfortunately, I loved that he changed his profile picture by the way to to that crazy eyes look. Yes. And even at the bottom of what he said there, led his quote that I'm not sure who it belongs to, but the quote is, and why should we feel anger at the world as if the world would notice? Oh, let's Google it. The quote is from the Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius. That was my next guess. That was your second guess. By the way, we should shout out our compatriots Craig Simpson and Chris Cuthbert. Oh, I'm glad you did this on the air, but let's do this here. Yes. So four games in five days, Edmonton Saturday, Winnipeg Sunday, Calgary Monday, Day off Tuesday. I'm sure it was a travel day though. It was and Seattle on Wednesday. Now, the one thing I would like to say and I've kind of been on runs like this before, when you do what those two guys do, you do it because you love it. You sometimes people say, do you want to game off? Do you want to take a break? No, you do it because that's the job you love to do. And you're like, give me the challenge. I want the challenge. That doesn't mean it doesn't take a piece out of you. And it doesn't mean that there aren't opportunities for you to slip. And I thought they called four great games and Simmer still looks fantastic with the most perfect hair in the business. And you know, Cuthbert, I joked about. So one of the years at the Stanley Cup final in Florida, I have lower status than Kevin and Chris Cuthbert and my co-host here, Kyle Bacoskas, because I don't travel as much. And they were laughing at my status as I was checking in. They're checking in with their titanium Bonvoy cards. And I think, and they're like, oh, Mr. Cuthbert, oh, Mr. Bacoskas, oh, Mr. B, actually, and I come in with my lower status and they're like, yeah, here's your mint, Mr. Friedman. And then. So I'm into double bed. And no window. That's right. No window. And basically right in the elevator. Your room is elevator car three at least my key card worked unlike Colby. But anyway, so I mentioned Cuthbert the titanium Bonvoy. And he said, don't forget the aircat is super elite too. He was very appreciative of the mansion, but Chris not wanting to anyone to ignore his elite status everywhere. But Chris and Greg, great job. Four games, five nights, four different cities. They'll have two days off in Vancouver before they work, lose canucks on Saturday. Yes, well deserved. I went to the game Monday here in Calgary when Toronto played and I popped into their, I wasn't working the broadcast, Brennan Parker did a great job, ringside. Finally, a good show for a ringside host. Finally, what Chris and Craig must have been truly thinking. And so I went into their booth in the seconder mission. And I just kind of gave Craig a tap on the shoulder. And he turns a look to me. He's like, what are you doing here? And I was like, I'm like, simmer, this is my home rink. I live here. And he almost fell over. He's like, oh my god, I completely forgot you lived here. And that, you know, given the fact this is your third game and as many nights in three different cities, I'm giving you a pass here. I will not give you any grief for forgetting that I moved to Calgary. But he was like, oh, my god, I totally forgot this is your town. The other thing I was thinking about is obviously there's a big storyline today in Edmonton about Mike Babcock scratching Jake Walman and saying, I see the same mistakes over and over again. And that's why he's not playing and how does Walman feel? Go ask him. And Walman answered the questions properly the way you're supposed to do it. It could be a coincidence, but Kyle, you know, part of me was like, am I really surprised that this happened the night that Babcock did that. When you scratch a $50 million player, you're getting everybody's attention. And one of the early storylines in Edmonton is McDavid is on pace to score a bajillion points, but they're getting caved in on their third and fourth lines, right? And so Doc is sitting there and he's going, holy cow, like if he's going to scratch that guy, he's not going to be afraid to scratch me. I better show that I want my job. And, you know, again, I'm not saying that Doc is doing this on purpose, but he is probably thinking that I better be going hard to the net all the time, because if not, I'm just as vulnerable as Walman is. These are the kinds of games where I do think the message is upper most on everybody's mind. If your name is not McDavid or dryside or booshard or new gin Hopkins, right? Yeah, that's a really good point. And then what does Babcock say in the post game, regardless of what kind of player you are, figure out what you are as a player, what you do well, and embrace the grind of doing that over and over and over again. You know, Colton docs, a big body, like that's, that's where he's effective, getting to the net. Doesn't matter if you don't like it, if you're an opposing player, an opposing fan, that's where you got to live. And I mean, Craig Simpson talks about all the time. There's way more good that can happen by lowering your shoulder and deciding to drive the net as opposed to, you know, buttonhucking and circling up or posting up and pulling away. There's very few players in this league can be as dangerous, pulling up short as opposed to driving the net. And like, I think that's where he can become a more effective player for Edmonton. Of course, got to be careful. I think the more that goes on and the contact that happens with gold tenders, you know, you're asking from for trouble by way of the officials. But the fact that he's willing to go there, I think that's, that's what goes well for him. If you're looking at how does Colton doc be an everyday player that is successful at doing things over and over again, that's, that has to be a hallmark. Can I argue with you there? Okay, a couple more things here. Fridge, Jake DeBrusque is a name. By the way, what a comeback for Vancouver and Anna. I'm out of nowhere the other night. First of all, DeBrusque was part of that. But his name has been kind of out there. Yes. So, you know, I just wanted to say this about Jake DeBrusque. It kind of has been heard out there. And Urfan Gaffar was talking about him. My, my West Coast buddies, Urfan Gaffar and Rick Dolwall have been talking about him. And, you know, here's the thing I think about Jake DeBrusque. He went through a really hard situation in Boston where he asked out and, you know, it's the same thing that kind of Larkin went through this year. A lot of these guys, when they asked for trades, and you know, Warnsky was another perfect example. A lot of these guys, when they asked for trades, they want it to stay private. Okay. And instead, they get really annoying people like you, Kyle, not me, you, who report this stuff and it really turns their lives upside down. Okay. And I understand that and I respect that because, you know, you're out there and you can take a real beating. And I think DeBrusque, when he was in Boston and he went through that process, I think it was really hard for him. And so, you know, here he is in Vancouver and, and look, like I don't think anyone here is being immature or rude or trying to throw darts wants anyone to say. It hasn't worked out the way anyone's expected. It hasn't worked out for DeBrosque and it hasn't worked out for the Conox. I just think DeBrosque, after what he went through in Boston, he doesn't want to do that again. He wants to put on the best public face he can. He wants to help the Conox the best way he can. That was wild. I was watching the end of Vegas Auto with that night because it was 5-2 and our group chat Amber sends a text, "Conox, exclamation, exclamation, exclamation." I'm like, "What?" It's 5-2 and he goes, "They tied it." I couldn't believe it. I had to look and I was like, "What?" It was a great comeback for them and as you said, they wanted in overtime, boy did they need that. Boy did they need it, just to feel good about yourself. I think that's what it is. I think everybody understands that if there was another opportunity or there was something somewhere for him to go, I think he would welcome it and I think the Conox would do it but I think it's really important for DeBrosque that this is handled in a certain way. There was a rumor going around last year at the Olympics that he'd asked for a trade and that wasn't true. I just think that after what he went through in Boston where he asked for the trade, he's like, "I don't want to go through that again," and whatever happens here, I want it to happen properly and with nobody thinking that I'm bailing on the team because these guys, they do worry about stuff like that. Just turn 30 earlier this month, has four more years left beyond this one, which is a bit of term, but the number at just five and a half, especially with where we are with everything, very manageable for any team that would be looking into Jake DeBrosque. Okay, let's get to the final thought. Elliot, we've got to talk about that over time between the Islanders and the Predators on Tuesday night, Matthew Schaefer, the first person, since this stuff was recorded, to log all five minutes in overtime to which Ryan O'Reilly says, "How dare you upstage me like that?" Because he locked 427, that stuff. Unbelievable. To sneeze at. I remember when the Islanders came through Toronto earlier this just a couple weeks ago and Pete DeBrosque was asked about how he's learned to deploy Schaefer. He goes, "Well, I wait for him to catch his breath and then I put him back out there." Boy, he wasn't lying. He just even bothered waiting for him to catch his breath at overtime. He just said, "You stay. You stay five minutes." He was not lying. He was definitely not lying. That was a wild game. The Islanders had a three-nothing lead. National tied it. Not only the thing was two that he played five minutes, which is nuts in itself, but the way it unfolded, they got a delayed penalty on Schaefer early and they held it for almost two minutes, right? And then they get the whistle. They call the time out. He catches Forsberg at the end of it. Normally, when guys do stuff like that, when they're tired, you commit a foul. You dive at their legs or you hook them or slash them or hold them or whatever, he did the cleanest play possible. It was unreal. It was just another part of the legend that is Matthew Schaefer. Then someone, a Predators fan actually sent me the note saying, "Look at O'Reilly." He played, I think he wrote 437 initially, but as you said, it was 427. That was harder than what Schaefer had to do in some ways because he's older and he's got a kill, right? You're defending. That's going to be a fascinating story, O'Reilly. The Predators are clearly looking to do some retooling here. And if that's the case, I don't know if it even makes sense for them to sign up as great as he is. But that was watching those two guys because I went back and I watched it this morning when I woke up as I was doing the larkin stuff and I was watching that play. Then somebody said to me, "O'Reilly, so I had to go back and watch it again to watch O'Reilly." Wow. It was what a performance by those two guys. Mark Messier has a line that fatigue makes cowards of us all to which Matthew Schaefer would respond, "What is this fatigue you speak of?" I've never heard of this before. I don't know what that is. Maybe it makes a coward out of you, not me. He did a ton of inline skating growing up. Him and his brother, especially during the pandemic, I guess they would go to a nearby park with the roller blades and that's how they would kill time. They would just hours on the blades and it's funny when you watch him and I'm not saying that that's the reason why he could do a five minute chit's in the National Hockey League. But when you watch him skate, you can see glimpses of the, you think of the inline skating stride. He's got a bit of that, I would say, in his ice hockey stride with skates on. Anyway, he just gets around the sheet so-so. Efficiently and what looks like effortlessly, but we all know there's a lot of work that goes into it. So fun. All right, that was the final thought and with that we will take our first break. When we come back, a brand new edition of the thought line waiting on the other side. 32 Thoughts the podcast continues after this. All righty. Welcome back. It's time for another edition of the Thought Line presented by Bet MGM, Make It Legendary. Elliott, I know you were out very early Monday morning headed back home to Toronto from Winnipeg. When I was a airport, there were a few people that were saying hi and kind of in passing, showing me their phones and they had our latest episode queued up. And I thought, I don't know, there could be a worse case of the Mondays than not only are you choosing to listen to us, but then you see either one of you or me in person at the airport, like horrifying, horrifying that I would not wish upon my worst enemy. Not only is this podcast awful, but I have to see you in person. Yes. That's right. At least they could tell us how bad it is in person, but we appreciate that. We are lucky. We have great fans. We are very lucky. I'm embarrassed to say, so as you know, I try to write down all of the meetings I meet with people I talk to people. It was impossible this weekend and a lot of them, I have to confess, were total gibberish. I don't know what was going on with my penmanship or my thumbs, but I looked a lot of the, I'll keep a page of notes on my phones, I'll write some things down. Kyle, I couldn't understand any of it. So all the people I wanted to write down and showed out, I'm sorry, I can't do it, although I did appreciate seeing all of you. As Kyle and Dom know, I slept for 11 hours on Monday nights and what did Kyle, what did you say to me that 11 hours Monday night was more than I slept in four days in Winnipeg, which is probably true. We had too good of time there. What a great host they were, but I did want to say there was one that was a DM that I wanted to mention. I kept on getting, I got like three or four notes from a guy named Aaron Nelson, who said to me, you have to go to the rum hut. That's one of the concessionaires and you can guess what it is. Yes, I left something there for you. I'm like, whatever, like this is obviously a joke, but he kept on doing it. So finally, in the first intermission of the game, I said, you know what, after I hit, I'm going to go over there and I'm going to find out what's there for me. So I get there, it's it's as plays resume. So it's empty there. And you know, Kyle, I'm sitting there and as I'm getting there, I'm thinking to myself, how am I going to introduce this? Hi, I'm Elliott Friedman. Do you have a gift for me? No, no, you can't do that. That sounds terrible. I'm from my present. Hi, there's a gift for me here, assuming they know who I am. That's even worse. That's worse. Yeah, you can't, I can't assume they know who you might be. So I walked up and they're like, so the first thing I says, "I'm not gonna say anything and see what happens." And I get up there and I'm looking at them and they're looking at me and someone says, "Yeah, what do you want?" (laughing) You stay. You stay. It was pretty much that. It was nicer than that. I don't want anyone to think that these people were rude. They were really nice. But it was basically, "Hey, we're kind of busy here. Are you gonna order?" And I was like, "Okay, that just failed miserably." And I'm like, "Hi, my name's Elliott Freeman. Is there an Aaron Nelson that works here?" And one guy says, "No, there's no Aaron Nelson here." And I'm like, "Okay, now what do I do now?" So I go to the other side and there's a woman there and I say, "Do you know an Aaron Nelson who might work here?" And she says, "No, but she asked if she could take a picture and no problem." So after a couple of minutes here and then I said, "It's so awkward," I said, "I really hate to do this, but someone sent me an Instagram DM and said there was a gift left for me here." And people are looking at me like I have a third ear sprouting on my forehead. And you have to understand, I realized how stupid this sounds. Okay? But weird things happen and sometimes people do stuff like this. So I didn't get a wrong because we're on the air and I didn't get a gift. It was a total loser trip to the rum hut. And I'm like, "Okay, whatever." And the next day I got another DM from this guy and he's like, "You didn't go and pick up your gift." And finally I wrote back to him, I said, "I did go. I went there and I asked if anyone knew who you were and they're like, "No." And I said, "By any chance was there a gift left there for me?" And he said, and they said, "No." And he goes, "Oh, too bad because I left you something there." And you know what he sent me a picture of? - Oh, guys, I'm afraid to ask. - A triangle. - Oh my gosh. Like the instrument? - Yes, he claims. - What? - He left. - He claims he left a triangle at the rum hut for me. That was a, are you sure that wasn't a BXBernard account because all weekend he was educating us all on the callback technique for comedy. - Maybe it was. - He was like, that's a callback. - Maybe it was. - I don't know if you know what that's a callback. - The thing is that he sent a picture of the person he left with, he left it with and it was one of the people who was there when I was there. If it was a complete scam, it was an elaborate, beautifully well done scam. This was, if you would have asked me for money, 50/50 chance I might have sent it. It was very well done. - Wow. I talk about just totally. - I understand how people fall for this stuff now because I am very skeptical and I actually went to the rum hut to see if there was a gift. Like, I'm Elliott Friedman, no one would mislead me. (laughs) I just picture you staring at them. They're like, yeah. - Big Kyle. What is the-- - Single or double. - Single or double tell me. So tell me, what is the better introductory line? 'Cause I'm thinking to myself, if I go in there and I don't speak, I sound like an idiot. If I go in there and say, obviously you know who I am, I sound like an even bigger idiot. And if I go there and say, hi, I'm Elliott Friedman, is there a gift left here for me? I sound like the biggest idiot of all. I could not come up with a non-idiot opening line. - You could just, yeah, just play it sheepish. You go on, I know this is gonna sound a bit silly, but I've got this DM from this guy. - Versailles. - That's kind of what I ended up doing. - Right. - You just asked if anybody here knew an Aaron Nelson. I went with the name of the DM. - Yeah, I think if you had gone right to that, I'm gonna save you some headache. That is excellent. I'm glad you got that story in all that time for a triangle. You didn't even get it. - The only thing, the only two things I remember about the weekend, there's three things I remember about the weekend. Connor Hellabuck got traded. We had a lot of great dinners. And I was supposed to pick up a triangle of the rumhide. (laughs) It's the place to go for a triangle. - The rumhide, known for its triangles. - Exactly. Further proof that triangles are, in fact, memorable. I stand corrected again. That is great. Okay, let's dive into this here. - I try again. - I try. - I appreciate that. Another call back to last weekend. So you remember the story you told about Colby and our hotel? - Yup. - Not having a key that works. So this comes from Mark from Wisconsin. Hello, Jens, happy Halloween. Wanted to write in with some unwritten rules regarding hotel practices, much like the Iron Sports. I worked night shift at a couple hotels once upon a time and it was common practice amongst the staffs to create inconveniences for guests who blatantly took advantage of the amenities or were rude. - Really? - Maybe guests who was seen with a plate of a half dozen Belgian waffles each morning, but was staying by themselves and later was found they left the majority uneaten in their room or a serial towel user who used marchumany towels to make any practical sense and let them soaking wet all over the bathroom floor. Things like this do not amuse the cleaning staff. I assume that's what's happening with the Colby key card situation. It's probably the waffles and he's probably on a list. You better tell him to leave a healthy cash tip in the next room he stays in and win a peg because I've seen these things escalate and the key card is like level four on that scale. Colby does not want it to hit level five. Let me tell you, I'll leave that to your man. - Level five crazy. - Yes, stage five, Klinger. - Stage five, Klinger, that's right. - Now, Colby's defense, this was like right at check-in unless he does have a history with hotel rooms and win a peg. This happened right from the jump. You didn't even have time to verbally mistreat any hotel employees or steal waffles, right? - Not as far as I know. As a matter of fact, your screen there from Mark reminded me of a note I got from his broadcast partner in Pittsburgh. Josh gets off. Josh actually sent me a note after listening to the pod where he said, "I have to say that's not been my experience traveling with him." Hotel managers love him. Upgraded rooms, full welcome baskets upon arrival. Great views out the window. He might just be the most welcomed media member in our traveling party. - Wow. Which I really find hard to believe. - I feel the most popular member of the Penguins Traveling Party would be Michelle Cretullo who has more class like in her pinky finger than Colby has in his entire body. But Josh disputed what Mark said, said that people really like Colby. - Yeah. I just love that that exists in the hospitality space. Nothing over the line, but I love that they keep a list for the guests that deserve it. That is good. - I just assume that flight attendants have this kind of thing too. Oh, that passenger, you don't want to see that frequent flyer. - Yes. I ran food in a dining room as a teen for four summers and it wasn't to the extent of, like if anyone seen the movie waiting with Ryan Reynolds, like we weren't at that level or anything, but it was certainly, you took note of the guests that came in to eat there that treated people with respect and kindness and just basic human decency versus those that did not. Suddenly, we're in such a rush to get them fresh bread. - Did you ever see a road trip, the movie? - Your road trip, I don't know if I've seen road trip. - Well, there's road trip and I never sent food back in a restaurant after seeing road trip. - If anybody there has seen that movie with the French toast, you know what I'm talking about. I watched that movie and I said I am not that I do generally, but I will never send food back in a restaurant after seeing that scene. - That was level five. - It's incredibly funny scene. I had tears rolling down my eyes and everybody else on the theater did too. We were all crying when we saw that scene, but I remember saying never again. Not that I really ever would, but never will I. - Mark, great stuff. Thanks for sending that in. A voicemail is up next courtesy of Eric from Grimsby, Ontario. - Hi 32 thoughts crew, calling to you from the home of Kevin B. Exa Grimsby, Ontario. My name is Eric, fellow Western Mustang, except I finished my degree story, Elliot. My question today is about offer sheets again, going back to the Leo Carlson situation. When an offer sheet comes in from a team, Is there usually a non-disclosure around it? or in the case of Leo Carlson, could he have went back to the ducks before signing the offer sheet and tell them, "Hey, I have an offer for $17 million, but if you offer me $15 a year right now, I'd do it." And if there's been examples of that, could you let me know? Thanks, guys. Have a good one. Good question, Eric. And if you'll remember from the podcast we did when it happened, I don't think that they came out and out and said, "Were you having an offer sheet and were signing it today?" And I don't remember what the numbers were because I don't have it right in front of me. But right before, hours before Carlson signed the offer sheet with the flyers, they called the ducks and said, or like the agent, the caters, Ryan and Matt, they called the ducks and said, "Look, we want this number basically or else." And the ducks just didn't see the danger. So agents threaten teams with offer sheets all the time. Teams have to do their due diligence to recognize how real it is. And one of the things that was interesting I heard later about that ducks situation is that one of the things that's fascinating is who makes the call to the ducks and says, "We're doing this." Because it was the flyers who made the call and said, "We're giving you a courtesy call and we're telling you we're doing this." And some teams think, "Okay, the player should tell us because he's our player who's signing somewhere else, but there's other teams who are like, "No, the team should do it because they're another team in the league doing that to your player." But it was a bit of a thing about who made the phone call. You'll threaten someone with an offer sheet, say, "Hey, if you don't do this, we could sign an offer sheet or we're going to sign an offer sheet. It's your current team's job to decide, is it real or are you bluffing? In this case, they thought they were bluffing. They didn't realize how real it was." Right. So there's, yeah, there's no rule around secrecy with this stuff. Like the the agent player side can disclose or not disclose. However much they want in this case and usually would be whatever gives them the best leverage in a certain situation. By the way, I sent you and Tom the road trip clip. I saw that. Watch us afterwards. That's good. Thank you. Okay, Brady up next. How's it going? Elliot and Kyle, recent listener here, 11th program. With the first couple of weeks done, teams are starting to put together their goals and expectations for the season and planning the roster moves accordingly. Following the recent Alexander Nikeshine signing, can we expect to see some of the other remaining free agents buying home sues, mainly a guy like Vladimir Teresenko. This seems likely due to the reports of Nikeshine Teresenko and Patrick Linae skating together in Florida, but it seems odd that battling teams are not pushing to sign veteran goal scores to boost their forward group. Curious if there are any updates on these types of players. To be honest, as we record this, the answer is no. Teresenko and Linae have both been. I don't know if picky is the right word, but they obviously have situations they prefer over others. Teresenko, I've mentioned several times, it looked like it was going to happen in Florida in the summer that it never did and I don't really know where that stands now. I think Teresenko had a sense of his financial worth on a contract that was higher than some teams did and therefore that hasn't worked. Linae, again, I think it's been fit. You know, one of the teams I kind of thought that might make some sense with Linae might be a team like Dallas, which has trouble scoring and they have a lot of fins, but you know, I had some people say to me the way that Dallas plays with a lot of structure, the fit might actually not be good for him. So, and L.A., that rumor has been on and off all year and every time I ask, I just get it denied. So I don't know what to make of it. I think that those situations could have happened independent of the kitchen, but you know, for whatever reason, the fit for you, the player, the team, hasn't worked. Great. All right. A couple more here. Santiago from Kito Ecuador. Wow. Yes. I have to tell you, I remember a few years ago my cousin got married and her and her new husband went on their honeymoon to Ecuador and they loved it. They spoke glowingly of Santiago's country. So he writes, "Hi, Allie and Kyle. Big fan. My family and I are heading to Chicago for Halloween and we'll be going to our first live hockey game ever. Black hockey versus Avalanche. It's the first time for me and for my whole family, my wife and our two daughters. I'm a Florida Panthers fan myself, but I want to live the in-person experience for the first time. Could you share the do's and don'ts of attending a game and the proper etiquette? And what time do you recommend we get to the arena? Thanks a lot. Keep up the great work." Wow. Well, first of all, Santiago, there's only one real do and don't and that is have a great time. Like just enjoy it. You know, I mean, like it's common like with anything in life. Like, you know, I think that number one, if you have like a sign that says, you know, I'm we're here from Ecuador for our first ever NHL game. People are going to embrace you. They're going to be welcome. Like hockey fans are like life. 99% of them are great. Like Kyle, you and I, we talk about, we see so many, we're so fortunate to see so many fans. You're on the road and you're in the building much more than I am now, which is a great thing for you. But 99% of the people we come across with are fantastic people. They're like everybody else. They just want to go to a game. They want to have a great time. They want to cheer for whatever team they're doing. They, you know, they, they just want to enjoy it. So what I would tell you is Santiago is just soak it all in. You know, I don't know where you're staying. You're probably staying downtown, downtown Chicago. Like, there's so many great restaurants. There's so many good places to eat. I don't know what the weather will be like, but I love walking around Chicago. The rink is, you know, a little bit out of the downtown. So you'll want to get there. You want to get an earlier dinner. Get out there. You want to get out there for the warm-up. I think when you're going to your first game, you want to go to the warm-up. You know, the warm-up starts. If the game starts at seven, the warm-up starts at approximately 6.30 a couple minutes after. So it's basically, you know, 30 to 40 minutes before the puck drop. Get there for the warm-up. Watch the people skating around. If you're in the lower bowl, try to, I don't know what Chicago's rules are. Can you get down close to the glass for the warm-up? You know, if you're on the, if you're in the upper level, still a great place to watch a game in Chicago, try to go to the front row to get as close as you can. Then eventually they'll move you back to your seat. And just, you don't have a great time. Enjoy it. Embrace it. I think you should take a sign that says, "We're here from Ecuador for our first-ever NHL game." You know, I'm sure that, you know, I remember my sons went to go see his first NHL game in Tampa. It worked out that way. And they had a thing. If you're going to your first ever NHL game, come over to this one booth and they give them a button that said, "Hi, I'm watching my first-ever NHL game." They gave them a couple of things and people were really nice to him. If you make a sign that says you're there for the first time, you know, you're going to find that people will be very welcoming. But other than that, like Chicago's a great city. It's one of my favorite cities in the league. And, you know, walk around, go see it, get to the game, you know, about an hour before it starts. Try to get to the front as close as you can for the warm-up and just enjoy. Like, that's, do what you would do with anything else you enjoy. If you have a sign, make sure it's not up during play. I don't think there's a lot of don'ts other than just be a human. I, Santiago, I think you're going to have a great time. And I'm jealous because you sound like you and your family are going to have a great night. Am I missing anything, Kyle? No, you, you pretty much nailed everything that came to my mind, especially like the warm-up stuff when you get into the building and you're, and you see the clock on the video board countdown at 16 minutes on that clock, that's when warm-up starts. If you want a point of reference there, the only other thing I was going to suggest to you, I mean, United Center in Chicago, that's a pretty iconic building. And Santiago, I don't know if you and your family are basketball fans in any way, even if you're not. Like, there is such, of course, great history there with MJ and the Bulls and that dynasty in the 90s and so much of it is put out there on display to see the history of so many great teams that they had there, whether it's the statues out front or some of the displays that they have around the concourse. So if you are able to get there early enough, just walk in the concourse to see that and to say using a box history as well, especially through the Taves and Kane era. I mean, they just celebrated 100 years as a franchise. Like, take a moment to see all of that because it is one of the more special arenas in North America to go see any game at. So I got engaged in Chicago on the river walk. Yeah. You should go visit there, too, to pay homage to that unthinkable moment in Elliot's life. There's a there's a black X on the spot where I did it. But also, I don't know if Riggley does tours, but if they do, you should take a tour of Riggley Field. Yes. Great call. Okay. One more here. Santiago, I hope you and your family have an awesome time. I guarantee you that the hockey fans in Chicago will treat you great. Yes. Good stuff. One more here. John from St. Louis gentleman. And I use that term in its lucis form. Thank you, John. Hang on. On Sunday, Ian Cole played his 1000th game. This got me thinking, like many of your listeners do drafted in 2007 by the Blues. The Blues also took Lars Eller and David Paran in the first round, both have long eclipsed 1000 career games. Would this be the most games played by a group of players drafted by the same team in the same round. Furthermore, what would be the most games played by a whole draft class from one team? Thanks for the hours of entertainment, PS. I hope I worded this correctly. Yes, John. I think you did a great job. I have to think that that Detroit draft is the one with the most games, right? Yeah. All time. Yes. Are you thinking 1989? Is that the one with Lidstrom and all those guys? Yes. That is the most all time. Great call. Yeah. Oh, okay. Good. That actually is. Yes. Yes. So that that just so you know, like that Detroit draft history from 1999. That is also a incredible group. Yeah. I think Mike Selinger 10. Yeah. Mike Selinger 10. 49. Nicholas Lidstrom 15. 64. Sergey Fedorov 12.48. Dallas Drake 10.09. Bob Boogner 6.30. Vladimir Konstantinov. And it was a little different than Russians weren't getting taken. So you could take a shot later, but Konstantinov 4.46 and would have been a lot more. I think a lot of about that. And nine for Sean McCars. So you had four got one guy 1500 1200 and two over a thousand. I'm not surprised. That's the record. Yes. Now do you have a guess by, well, it'd be tough to guess. But the blue. I want to think of how many p how many teams had three picks in the in the first round. Yeah. So well, I'll tell you this. I'm going to I'm going to just look up something and I might make a guess here. Okay. I would say it's it's it's yes. Go ahead. The blues example that John submitted is second on this list. Second goal and L.er 3438 and climbing. Peron. Well, all three are still active. Yeah. Peron just resigned. Oh, that's unbelievable. You know, um, okay, it's not them, but they're over the one team I thought of is it 2400 and they're done though. They're not continued. Was the kings in 2003, Dustin Brown, 12.96, Brian Boyle hit 871 and Jeff Tambilini 242. So that they're about 2400, but that's obviously not the answer. And they're all retired. Do you want to give me like an approximate here to see if I can figure it out. So it came in the early 80s. Okay. It was three guys taken in the first round by this team. Two of them played forever and one had a more than respectable career as well. Okay. So there's there's a team. I'm I'm going to just look at this. I'm going to I'm going to tell you who I'm looking at. The one guy when you say a guy played forever, I'm thinking Chellios. No, I write, but it's two guys. Two of the three. Three hours late now. So we had a time out here. I'll let everybody in on it because I got a phone call I had to take. And I want to tell you while I was doing this phone call, my AirPods went from computer and phone back for a few minutes. I was trying to fix them. I guess they were linked to both. And all I could hear was Kyle laughing. So I assume you watch that clip. I sent you. I did. I did. Yes. From road trip. Yeah. Horatio sands as the as the waiter. Oh my god. Is that who it is? I didn't realize that. Yeah. Well, there you go. It was a reason. I loved on Saturday night live. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize it was him. That is such a great scene. Did it live up to what I had told you? Oh, okay. Yeah. So also while this person I was on the phone with was drawing on and on and on, I did some research and I think I have the answer. I looked it up. I'm not going to. I didn't look it up to for sure, but I'm looking at it. It has to be them. Okay. All right. I'm going with the 1982 Buffalo Savers. Boom. Okay. Dave Andrew Chuck 1639 Phil Howesley 1495 Paul Sear 470. That's your winner. So these guys could catch them. Yeah. And theory. What's the difference? Did you? Did you do the math? Exactly. So as of this recording. And again, all three guys are still active. So the number is climbing. They are 160. Yes. Hold on. So you didn't do the math. You're complete. I'm looking at the list. I was trying to do quick math. And I failed. Did you do the math? Yes. Yes. I did. I just had to I had the separate carry the one. You lied to everybody. 167. As it stands, right? 167. Yeah. And so it's Eller, Piran. And who's the other one again? Oh, who just had a call. Yep. All right. There you go. We'll see. We have a race. We have a race. Great. Okay. We'll leave it there, John. Thank you. Great pickup, by the way. Three guys. Same team. First round all over a thousand now. Really great. That'll do it for this edition of the thought line. If you'd like to send in your own submission, you could do so via voicemail. 1-833-311-3232 or email 32 thoughts at sportsnet.ca. We'll take one final break. Come back. Wrap up this edition of the pod and some music to take us out as well. All right. That'll about do it for this edition of 32 thoughts. The podcast. I'm still chuckling at that road trip scene that Elliott brought up earlier, by the way. I wanted to flag one of the games. It's another busy night Thursday in the National Hockey League. But the Vancouver connects our in San Jose to face the sharks at 10 Eastern 7 Pacific time. That one can be viewed nationally on sportsnet. Vancouver, huge comeback against Anaheim the other night and trying to spoil the party again in San Jose on Thursday. All right. Taking us out today, a track from Calisway, an alternative R&B funk artist, songwriter and producer whose music blends head nod hip-hop swing with bright, grew forward funk and soulful melodies. Her work as positioner is one of Toronto's most exciting new voices in modern fun as part of a wave of women reshaping Canada's music landscape. From 2022's hit them with the funk to the all-new full-length unstoppable. She leans into personality, musicianship and confident storytelling, balancing playful bounce with emotional honesty. Calisway's momentum has been undeniable. Last year alone she notch 16 performances including a high profile televised city of Toronto New Year's Eve count down appearance. And earlier this year she sold out her headline show at the Drake Underground in Toronto. This track along with all the others we featured here at 32 Thoughts can be found on our playlist on Spotify curated by our producer Don Traumatti, 32 Thoughts The Music. Here is Calisway and put it down on 32 Thoughts The Podcast. I never put it to death but you let me down They're getting hurt, they're too little long So I'm gonna get it right by no way to put you down I'm ahead to put you down, darling, even though wild What a change you for a fake, what a change you for a damn All these things that I want to get around You're the reason why I think of you Oh, you're surprised at the things that I decide never have a face But then I wanted you better but you had to try Just to tell me if I can make me smile don't I pray? Was it that you lied to me? You got a photograph, I got a free message to show me To show me whatever time we left I'm gonna make it less but you need me So I'm ahead to put you down, darling, even though wild What a change you for a fake, what a change you for a damn All these things that I want to get around ♪ The other reason why ♪ ♪ Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey ♪ Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Boy, did you watch? You're in this way to be just not with me You're in the head, you're dead, don't even know why What I changed you for a way, what I changed you for a way Of these days and I'm all I did to you You're the reason why (upbeat music)