Best College Recruiting Stories With John Wall, Von Miller, Duncan Robinson, Alexi Lalas, Derrick White & More. Plus Life Advice!

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Really wasn't on my radar like that. My friend Duran Scott ended up going there. I'm a guy I knew from back home. Julian Gamble was playing there in Miami at the time. And I was like, man, just take a visit. Do it for Frank Haith. He's from Burlington, North Carolina. Jack McClendon, shout out to him. I see him all the time living in Miami. He was my host. We get there. Get on campus. I'm like, wow, this is no way campus is like this every day. They have like a pool party. No, they have like a pool party and all that. I'm like, there's no way campus is like this every day. I get an opportunity to go to the Hawks versus the Heat playoff game, game one. I'm like, I'm going to go to the Hawks. I'm going to go to the Hawks. And I'm like, wow, this is amazing. I'm in Miami, riding around in nice cars, going to NBA games. Then we got opportunities to go out and party, have a good time. But it was one of my funnest memories because it's like no way Miami is like this every day. I know school cannot be like this, going to South Beach and doing those things. But it was just a great visit. The school did a great job of hosting me. And Jack McClendon did a great job of being my host. But that would be my story where I would never forget. Because I was supposed to leave Sunday. And I told my mom, no, I'm about to stay two more days. And she's like, you better get your tail on that. Get on that plane and come home. You got school tomorrow. That's how much fun I was having. Did you go back? I had no choice. Mama Frances said, get on that plane. You get on that plane. I love the idea of you as a high school kid going, I'm staying here for two more days, if that's okay. That's how much fun I was having on my visit. It's like, mind you, going somewhere, you're like, I really don't want to go. And then you get there and it's too much fun. You don't want to leave. That's kind of how that was. Did they think they had you at any point? They're like, we just get them here. That was my second school. I was going wherever Coach Kyle was at, though. Once I seen Derrick Rose play Oklahoma in the garden. And the way Derrick Rose played, I was like, yeah, this is perfectly how I play. This is exactly how I play. I just wanted to take all my visits. I mean, enjoy the process of traveling, seeing all these different schools, see what they're all about. But I already knew where I was going. Wherever Kyle was at, I was going. So the Carolina schools were out. I mean, imagine. They were like, we're not even in the picture here. Carolina was my dream school. I watched them all my life. NC State, shout out to Sidney Lowe. He was on my radar. That was my mom's favorite school. And she had gotten sick at that point with an aneurysm in her head. So it was almost a point where I would have went there just to stay close to my mom. And then Duke. Duke is Duke. You know what I mean? Coach K can never get wrong with Duke. But they didn't have a lot of one-and-dones at the time. They didn't believe in one-and-dones. And also, they brought Nolan Smith and John Shire back that was juniors and seniors. So I was just like, it was the best fit for me to do somewhere else. He's a Super Bowl champ, the number two overall pick, and one of the best pass rushers of his generation. But how did Vaughn Miller end up at Texas A&M? He shared his best recruiting story. Let's look back at your recruiting time. I was looking at it. You were a four-star. I think the one ranking had you as the 15th best edge guy in high school, which just kind of seems hilarious. After a Hall of Fame career. But you're at DeSoto. I know there was offers everywhere, still, even with the four-star thing. What's your best recruiting story that you remember from that time? Oh, man. So when I was coming out, this was the time when Texas and USC were two of the best groups. Reggie Bush, Vince Young. It's right after that. Right after that. Two schools that I wanted to go to. Texas and USC. Anybody ask me where I wanted to go? Texas and USC. Didn't get an offer from Texas and USC. Defensive coordinator at USC is Ken Norton Jr., linebacker's coach here with the Commanders. And I asked him, like, you know, what's going on? Like, he said that, you know, they wanted me to play linebacker off the ball. They asked my head coach, would I be willing to do that? And I said, no. And I had told my head coach, no. Like, still, you've got to sauce it up for me. You know, you've got to, like, you know, he doesn't, you know, he doesn't know what's going on yet. He wants to play edge rusher. But, you know, I think, you know, he can be able to play. I don't think Coach Meadows did that. I think Coach Meadows, you know, he wants to play defensive end. He's not playing any opposition in college. So, boom. Don't get offers from those two schools. My number, I never had, I never, Texas A&M was never, like, really powering my list like that. Like, I never, you see all these other schools, like Florida, Michigan, Ohio State. You see all these other schools, like LSU and, like, stuff, like, historically, like, you know, football schools. For me, like, I never knew anything about Texas A&M. You know, my, I had an older brother that went to Oklahoma State. And the first game. The first game that I went to was Oklahoma State versus Texas A&M in College Station. And we drive down there. I got all my Oklahoma State stuff on. And I was just blown away by the fans there. I was blown away by the atmosphere. I was blown away by the campus. I was always under the impression that college was, like, spread around, like, the town. Like, you got East Campus, West Campus. All these different campuses just all spread out. At Texas A&M, it's just this one big block. And it's just packed in with Texas A&M students. And then you got West Campus right across the street. Like, but it's all there together. Like, it's all in one spot. You can ride your bike. It might take you 45 minutes, but you can ride your bike from one side to the other. And I really, that's what I envisioned college of being. Like, I went to the game. And, like, you know, the 12th man, they stand up the entire game. And they have yells and chants. And I was just blown away by the fans, even though, like, I'm supporting. You know, Oklahoma State. And Texas A&M offered me, like, a month after that. And they were, like, to school, like, at the end of the day. Coach Stan Agin, he hand-wrote every single letter to me. Like, in a day and age where you can just type it up. You can type up all these different letters. He hand-wrote every single letter. And I got a letter from Texas A&M every week. Like, yeah, I might have even got two or three letters. But at least every week, I got a letter from Coach Agin. And he hand-wrote every single letter. And I got a letter from Coach Agin. And that just won me over. And I wanted to be, you know, the Aggie. I was, you know, they said I was going to play defensive end. I came there to play defensive end one year. Then they moved me off the ball to linebacker my sophomore year. The same thing that probably would have happened in Texas or USC. But it was just the later year at Texas A&M. And then they moved me back to a rush in, like, my junior year. And I led the NCAA in sacks with 17 and a half. And, you know, the rest is history. Duncan Robinson, Detroit Piston Duncan Robinson. went from high school DNPs to Division III Williams to the Michigan Wolverines all the way to the NBA. We take him back to the New England high school days and his best recruiting story when he's just trying to figure out how to keep playing. Let's go back to that time. Give me your best recruiting story. My best recruiting story. Were you reaching out to Power 5 programs? They're like, we're good. You have Williams written all over you. I was Power 5 at high school? Are you kidding me? I was begging like some Division 3s and Division 2s to take me. This was like a alright, I'll give you one. It actually has nothing to do with any school. My junior year, so first off, to provide a little context, super late bloomer. I was 5'6 as a freshman in high school. I was a good little player, but was small, light, lacked confidence, could handle the ball a little bit, shoot a little bit. Basically, I just shot up three to four inches a year for three to four years straight. I went from 5'6 to 6'6 by the time I was a senior. As you could maybe imagine, during that time, I was not the most athletic or coordinated person. I was real thin, could hardly run and chew bubble gum. I was coordinated, but I was just slow. It took me a while to really grow into my body. Not that I'm super fast now, but I got considerably more athletic. Faster than people would think. Thank you. When I was a junior, as many people know, that's around the time that you start to get recruited by colleges. I posted I think 10 DMPs the first 10 games of my junior year of high school. Now, mind you, I was on a very mediocre high school team. I think maybe one or two kids went on to play Division III college basketball. It wasn't like I was playing for some powerhouse. I couldn't get off the back of the bench. Finally, about halfway through the season, I started playing spot minutes. This is a little bit of a different time. The resources were different. We weren't filming our games. I remember having a conversation with my dad. I was like, hey, I think we need to start getting footage if I want to try to play college basketball. We've got to figure out something. Push it out there. Do something. He's like, all right, let me see what I can do. My dad probably swallowed his pride because his son is coming to him like, can we figure out a way to film this? My dad writes an email to somebody in the athletic department saying, hey, is there any way that we can start filming games for the boys basketball team? My son has aspirations to play college basketball. The response he got, and I'm not throwing anyone under the bus because I'm not interested in doing that, but it was somebody within the higher education department, some cross-country athletics, basically responds, you don't think your son is actually going to play college basketball, do you? Really? We're going to have to go out and get technology and hire somebody to film? You won't think that's going to happen? My dad was like, well, I don't know what's going to happen, but can we at least just film? Other schools are filming. Can we at least just film? Anyways, we proceed to film the last 10 games or so. We get a little something on tape. I try to send it out to a bunch of schools. Obviously, nobody's interested. I do end up having a pretty good senior year, and that's when I opted to do the fifth year because I didn't have any offers. Even actually, when I did my fifth year of high school, I still didn't have any offers. I was begging Ivy League, Patriot League schools to take a look at me, and nobody was really interested. I ended up playing a year at Williams, which is awesome. It was probably the best decision I've ever made. Then somehow this doesn't make any sense to me, but then somehow 16 months later, I get a high major offer from Michigan and Creighton and Davidson. I'm like, hold on. All I am is 16 months older, and now I'm all of a sudden good enough to play in the Power 5 or Power 4, whatever it is these days. We pulled the trigger on Michigan and spent four years there playing for Coach B and graduated 24 years old. A seasoned 24 years old. Exactly. Alexi Lawless is one of the biggest soccer broadcasters in the States, an American soccer legend and played professionally in Italy and MLS, but as a kid from Michigan, how did he end up playing his college soccer at Rutgers? He shares his best recruiting story. Let's go back to a high school, Alexi Lawless, where you were named Michigan Player of the Year. I know some annals, it says you had a late start. I don't know how accurate all that stuff is, but we like to do this with the guys. Give me your favorite recruiting story from that time. I grew up in the 70s and 80s with Bubble Yum and MTV and Slurpees. That was kind of my life. I grew up in the suburbs of Detroit, so it was like the Red Wings and Little Caesars and that kind of stuff. I grew up playing more hockey, than soccer, because it's the law in Michigan. I really gravitated to soccer because of the international aspect of it. I was always in awe and fascinated by the fact that when I went out on my sidewalk in front of my house and I was juggling my soccer ball, that there was a young kid on the other side of the world who I had nothing in common with, except this. This is what the thread was. I also loved the autonomy of soccer, where the whistle blows and you're left to your own devices, relative to a lot of other sports out there. I really loved that. I was also growing up in the 80s when there was no YouTube and the recruiting platform, especially for soccer, was certainly not even close to the robust thing that it is right now with all the technology we have. I got rejected. I wanted to go and try to play Division I college soccer. I didn't know how I was going to do that. I got rejected everywhere that I sent letters to, that I applied to. My dad took pity on me and called up Rutgers University because I had sent away for an application. Just because I had read an article about Rutgers. The coach said, I don't know anything about you, but can I meet you? We jumped in the car and drove from Detroit out to New Jersey. I spent four hours with the coach. At the end of our meeting, he said, we're going through a rebuilding year. I can invite you to pre-season. I can get you into the agriculture school. I grew up in Michigan. I did not grow up on a farm. I was like, fine, great, no problem. Let's do it. I had absolutely nothing. We drove back. I packed up. We drove back to New Jersey. He slowed the car down, kicked my ass out on exit nine off the turnpike right there in New Brunswick, New Jersey. The rest is history. I did everything wrong in terms of picking a school. I was not heavily recruited by any stretch of the imagination, but what it did do is it dropped me into an environment where I was playing with and against some really, really good players. The soccer gods smiled upon me, but man, oh man. I don't think I said a word the first month that I was at Rutgers because Rutgers was like something like one and a half percent out of state. I was an alien in Piscataway and New Brunswick there. I mean, the Jersey kids. You not talking for a month and a half seems impossible. It was crazy. Like, the Jersey kids, they were like, Michigan might as well have been the other side of the moon. They had no idea where I was from, and I scared the crap out of them because I didn't talk for a month. I had all this hair, and again, they thought I was from an alien from another world, but it worked out all right. It did work out. Channing Frye is an NBA champ. He was a top ten pick in the draft and the Gatorade Player of the Year in Arizona in 2001. He obviously ended up playing four years at the University of Arizona and shares his best recruiting story from his visit with another famous Wildcat player. Oh, boy. We know you ended up at Arizona. Give us your best recruiting story from that time. Boy, okay. I'll tell you when Richard okie-dokes me, right? So this is when this is when he got game came out, right? So I'm in high school. Richard, I know Richard since I was 14. So everyone knows that clip with Rick Fox, whatever. So I'm going out there like, yes, here we go. So Richard knows this also. So we go, I go to Richard's house, or he picks me up at the hotel, him and Gilbert. He basically says, hey, Channing, let me see your wallet. And I get per diem back in the day. So he takes my per diem, we go to Jack in the Box, and he ends up using my per diem for his stupid Jack in the Box, which is dumb. And we end up going to his house. We end up being like, hey, he's going to go to the football game. They're going to party. So I was like, all right, awesome. So I'm wearing my St. Mary's Nike, kind of, I don't want to say tech fit, but kind of sweatsuit, kind of thing. He says, St. Mary's. He's like, yo, you can't go out like that. So now the whole team is there. I remember Lauren Woods goes, oh, here, just wear this. So it's his blue U of A thing. And he was tall at the time. So I said, this is the best. So we go out to the football game, and we go up to the stands, and I'm looking in this section, and like a puppy and a free bag of food I'm looking at like all these beautiful women and I'm like oh my lord yes so they're like Channing Channing you gotta come here Channing you gotta come here and then I'm on the jumbotron because I'm with Salim and Dijon Thompson at the time and I'm like oh this is the best so I'll tell you we go to the party we have a good time nothing crazy happens I commit so I go back to a game and I go hang out with Richard and I see those same girls so I go what Richard those are the girls from the football game he goes yeah those are my friends dummy we do this to every recruit we just tell him we give him like a note card of like where they are so that these girls act like hey I've watched you at St. Mary's and blah blah blah but they end up being best friends and nothing happened and it was just like the biggest topic of my life and I'm glad it didn't happen but I still went but it was great and so I did the same thing every year I'd be like hey boys look at all these girls aha and they were just good friends of ours that would like say like hey I saw you average 32 last year they're like looking at a note card it was great yeah because you would be like there's no way there's no way in Arizona right no way great rebounding numbers your junior year in high school dude we used to hit him with crazy stuff it's like dude I'm so proud of you that you got a 3.9 you're so smart not like one of these regular basketball players and he took your money he took my damn money and left my wife he lost my wallet too oh Richard I love RJ but that that was not that was not surprising he told me I needed to not have uh a velcro wallet at the time but it was 1999 so you know you had to do what you had to do you know how much have you been listening to this podcast how much I love raising Kane's chicken fingers and I also love the backstory too because sure 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check out the viral post on raising Kane's social raising Kane's chicken fingers one love Jason Statham stars in mutiny it's diehard on a boat from the director of plane from the star of the beekeeper the Meg and the expendables a one-man army exposes an international conspiracy uncovers a human trafficking ring from one of the most defining action stars of the last 25 years mutiny get tickets now in theaters August 21st Jim Jackson was McDonald's all-american and one of the best players in the high school class of 1989 he ended up as an Ohio State Buckeye even though he originally didn't want to go there he shares why in his recruiting story let's go back to you in high school and I love to ask the guys that played this your favorite recruiting story from that time whether it was at one point you thought you were going somewhere else or what closed the deal for you to end up in Columbus I don't know if it's a favorite recruiting story but when I came out of high school Kenny Anderson and I were ranked number one number two in our class now again Shaq was in our class but Shaq couldn't participate in the Nike camp five-star camp any of those camps to get ranked because he was in Texas okay he got his notoriety as we got into the all-star game Dapper Dan McDonald that's when it was just okay Shaq but Kenny Anderson and I were good friends we took our visit to Syracuse together we were going to Syracuse together and I got there and saw how cold it was it felt how cold it was I was like no bro I'm good no but uh DC was my host at the time and then you know back then we had the rotary phones right so Kenny calls me we're still talking about that it was there North Carolina Georgetown our three top school and Kenny calls me rotary phone and tells me he's going to Georgia Tech I'm like where did where did Georgia Tech even come from you know Bobby Crimmins was the master of getting guys out of New York City um but that I mean that would have been something special I think if Kenny and I had went to Syracuse together on the back end with Billy Owens and that crew uh at that time could have been something special but that's I mean I never wanted to go to Ohio State really they were like my fourth school so how'd you end up there um probably the best decision in my life uh mentors of mine said Jimmy you can go to these other schools maybe get to the NBA but being from Ohio helping this be a part of something that changes the trajectory of the program is long lasting plus Gary Williams at the time really started recruiting McDonald's All-Americans you had a Perry Carter, Treg Lee, a Mark Baker, Chris Jen so he really started to build something and me being a part of that with those great teammates was probably it was the best decision I ever made was the best decision I ever made to be a part of that three-year run at Ohio State to kind of get basketball back to where it needed to be was a special time a special moment in my life because of the teammates and the coaches that I had then so if I have this I could be wrong here I'm just trying to remember the Sports Illustrated covers which helped me remember which grade I was in and then I can figure out the year so would you have Kenny had been would you have been freshman and Billy would have been a sophomore at Syracuse Billy was a um sophomore because he was he was 88 yeah I think that would have worked out I mean Billy was as a college player Carlisle Pennsylvania's finest unbelievable unbelievable it would have been that but that's but I grew up a Big East fan just because watching Georgetown I mean Villanova uh UConn I mean of course St. John's Syracuse I mean I was all in it you know direct effect of having ESPN kind of their TV partner that's what you saw on TV a lot of big Mondays you know what I mean it was that was it man that's why I wanted to go St. John's they just didn't want me to go there uh I got you Brendan Haywood won an NBA championship he was a first round pick in the 2001 NBA draft and the high school player of the year in North Carolina so naturally he ended up a Tar Heel and he tells his best recruiting story where legendary Carolina coach Dean Smith wasn't remotely afraid of losing him to another school let's go back to high school uh back in Greensboro James B. Dudley um I love asking you guys to play give me your best recruiting story from that time so I remember at that point obviously I was being recruited by Carolina but I was I was being recruited by like Wake Forest and Miami and um Clemson and so no Duke yeah no I wasn't going to Duke Duke was interested in Elton Brand and uh I didn't want it I was like man I don't know I don't know if I'm playing well if Elton's there so I wasn't trying to go to Duke I've always been a realist I was like this brand guy's pretty good I wasn't trying to share minutes so I just remember I was going on I was about to go on my visit to Miami and I was coach I was talking to coach Smith Dean Smith and so he was like I you guys I'm going to go to Miami and I was like I'm going to go to Miami and I was talking to you you're going down to Miami and so I was like yeah I'm taking my official down there tomorrow coach he's like oh okay well I'll see you on um I said uh I said uh he's like I'll see you when you get back I said oh you're not you're not worried about me committing while I'm down there he's like nah man go ahead take your vacation I know you'll be back so like that I just thought that was because coach Smith was it was just so calm like yeah go ahead like you're going down there to kick it I know where you're going I know where you're going to end up the next four years you weren't tempted at all to go to Miami yeah that's because yeah I mean what hey listen I'm a young kid from Greensboro North Carolina Miami was a different animal they like listen I was able to go out and kick in a party for the first time and I was a big Miami for Hurricanes football fan so I was on the field remember how Miami used to come out through the smoke oh man I was so hyped to be I was really hyped to be there but it was like it was smart for coach Smith to plant that seed like yo this is a vacation for you at the end of the day I know I know where you're gonna I know where you're gonna be okay did he know that though because he knew you and that if you're a Greensboro kid it's still UNC over everything else like it it has to be something to be a big-time high school player and have the Tar Heels calling like he just he just knew the power of the brand right I think like the greatest of coach Smith is he knows people well you talk to anybody about coach Smith he knows everything about you he knows everything about your family he does he remembers things like if he met your cousin one time six years six years from that from that moment he'll still know your cousin's name like he had a like photographic memory but he knew me very well. And so even though I was going down to Miami, you know, one time he would pose the question, you know, it's just, he would just drop a little breadcrumb. It's like, yeah, you know, how many, how many big men is Miami putting the pros again? At that point, they didn't have none. And so he was like, he's like, we've done, we've done a pretty good job with people like you. Like it was, it's subtle. It's that subtle, Coach Smith had that subtle swag. He was like, I ain't going to tell you what to do, but for where you're trying to go, they ain't ship nobody out there. We got a factory, but he, he said it so smooth. Like, how many, like he asked the question that he already knew the answer to how many big men are they putting the pros? Oh yeah. Yeah. We, we do pretty good with people with your size here. Did Wake pitch you on Duncan going number one then? Yeah. Wake, Wake Forest actually, um, they, they pitched me on coming there. They had a guy by the name of Lauren Woods at their school. Yeah. Summer League legend. Yes. Lauren Woods. But I went to their practice, and I had no idea that Lauren Woods was a maniac. Like he was impressed. Like he was talking crazy. Like every time he missed a shot, he was smacking himself in the head and he was, I don't deserve to play the game. It was, I was like, yo, this dude is crazy. I'm not playing with this dude. Like, like they were like, yeah, you guys are going to be the next Twin Towers. I'm sitting over there in Coach Odom's office like nowhere. You see that Magic Johnson gift? I'm not going to be here. Like there's no way in the world I'm coming to play with this guy. Like Lauren's, and Lauren turned out to be a really good player, but like the two practices I went to, he was acting like an absolute maniac. And I was like, no, I don't, I don't want to be with that guy at all. Robbie Hummel was a four-star recruit, but a bit of a late bloomer coming out of high school in Indiana. He ended up as a star at Purdue, played a couple years in the NBA and abroad before becoming a great broadcaster. Before all of that, his best recruiting story starts with a trip to see Coach K in Duke practice. Let's go back to when you were in high school. You're the 75th ranked player in your class, as you mentioned. You're a four-star kid. I imagine you're visiting everywhere, though, still. Were you 6'8 when you were a senior in high school? By the time I was a senior, yeah. I was one of those kids that grew really late. I was 5'8, two guard on my eighth grade team. I get to freshman year of high school, I'm 6'5, sophomore year, 6'6, junior year, 6'8. So I go from like, my dad's 6'6, my mom's pretty tall. She's like 5'6 or 5'7. So it was kind of like a matter of time, right? Like I should grow. But yeah, by the time I'm a senior, I'm 6'8. With a father who's 6'5 and a mother who's 5'6, I don't, you know, I didn't quite fill out that way. Yeah. So you're like, my mom's really tall. I was expecting you to say 5'11 and then you just gave me that math. And then I did the math in my head and I was like, God damn it. Anyway, give me your best recruiting story from that time. I think it has to be, I've got two good ones, but I think the best one is I'm getting mail from Chris Collins, who's an assistant at Duke. And I mentioned that Carl's Singler is in my high school class. So like, they're obviously recruiting him very hard, as they should be, because he was so good. And I have an offer to NC State and I have an offer, which is for Herb Sendak, and I have an offer to UNC Charlotte, which is Bobby Lutz. So we're going to go over fall break in high school for like basically a two campus tour. You know, I think we might have went to a football game for NC State. And I'm going to see, you know, campus at UNC Charlotte. And because Duke is sort of recruiting me, you know, like I'm on the board, we're going to go and we're going to watch them scrimmage. And this is like the team that had J.J. Redick, Sheldon Williams, Josh McRoberts, so like a really good Indiana team. And so I visit NC State, I visit UNC Charlotte, get to Duke. And like I'd seen Coach K, but I've never talked to him. I've seen him at AAU tournaments because of the guys he's recruiting. So we get there, and it was awesome. The scrimmage was phenomenal because Duke's team was so good. And Coach K's got a microphone, and he's sitting at the table, and every once in a while he'd hit the horn, and he'd like give instruction. And there's probably like 250 or 300 high school coaches that are there. And after the scrimmage ends, Chris Collins comes over, and he's like, all right, Coach K's going to come over and talk to you guys. Like, I'm obviously nervous. My mom and dad are there, and you know, it's like, oh my God, Coach K's going to come over and talk to us. So he comes over, and he's like, Robbie, thank you so much for coming all the way from California. I know how long the trip is. Which was just like, oh God, my mom who's like, just, I don't know if she was like, oh, he must have just like made a mistake. She's like, oh, Coach, we're from Indiana. And Coach Krzyzewski looks at us and is like, oh yeah. And then he's like, thanks for coming and walked away. And I was like, man, those letters from Duke don't mean shit. Because that was like, oh man, they are not really recruiting me that hard. But it was also hilarious. You know, like just one of those, I'm sure like, he asked the GA, who's that? That's Robbie Hummel. He's from California. All right, cool. And walked over and, you know, just because the GA said I was from Cali and messed up, that's what he was told, I'm sure. But that was a humbling experience. That was, well, Duke's recruiting you kind of, but not really that hard. So you were not hosted. You were not hosted for a weekend. No, it was an unofficial, you know, that my AAU coach and my dad had kind of set up just because I'd been in touch with Chris a few times. And I've done so many Northwestern games. Chris Collins and I laugh about it all the time. It's the funniest thing that he did that. But I also had a visit to Purdue that was so bad. And I ended up going there. But I was there as a junior in high school, and I was visiting with Juwan Johnson, who was, I ended up being, we were part of the same recruiting class. And we were playing pickup on a Saturday morning in September. And it's like a football Saturday, so you're playing at like 10 a.m. and then you're going to go to the football game and watch. And our team, I forget what guys on the team we were linked up with, but our team was winning some of these pickup games. And a lot of the times with recruits, the recruits get put with, you know, whether it's all recruits or it's like a team with maybe one of the walk-ons. A lot of the times the recruits don't necessarily have teams that win, but they can stay on the court because the coaches say keep them playing. So our team is winning. And I get a steal. And I get a break. I break away and I'm going to dunk this thing. I get tackled into the bleachers by one of the players on the Purdue team. And then another one runs up from behind me and goes, welcome to the Big Ten, bitch. And I'm like, I'm never going to Purdue. Like, I will never go to school here. And I remember I didn't play there. I had my frickin' thumb in an ice cup because my hand had gotten mangled from hitting the floor. And as a credit to Coach Painter and Paul Lusk and Konzo Martin, they did such a good job of smoothing it over. And it did help that the guy that tackled me ended up getting kicked off the team. Not because of this, but because of something else. Shortly thereafter, and like the team started to, you know, you bring in Chris Kramer and Keaton Grant, who are high character guys. But like that was one of my first visits to Purdue. And my thought was, I'll never go there. I'll never go to Purdue. That was terrible. So those are my two best, I think. You remember the guy's name that tackled you, I imagine? Oh, yes. I know you're not going to say it. I don't know what he's doing, though. I don't know where he's at now, so. You're going to have to look him up. I will. I should. I should look him up. NBA champion Derek White went from Division II hoops to the University of Colorado and then became a first-round pick in the NBA draft. We take the Celtics star back to his high school days, trying to get discovered for his best recruiting story. I want to go back to high school. We ask all of our guys this, that played. Parker, Colorado. You're getting recruited. What's your best recruiting story from back in the day of why you either ended up in Boulder or some other place that you thought you were going to go? What's your favorite memory from that time during your recruitment? Out of high school? Yeah. I didn't have a whole lot of recruitment. My dad was sending out highlight tapes to all the Division IIs in Colorado. Just trying to get me any team interested. I think my favorite story is that Metro State, which was a big-time Division II basketball team in Denver, Colorado, they came and watched me play a high school game. I was just trying to walk on. I didn't expect a scholarship, nothing. They went and watched and then after that, I wasn't good enough to walk on. That's probably my favorite story. This Division II team basically said, I couldn't walk on. I didn't even just practice with their team. That kind of put a chip on my shoulder. I think another one is Coach Culver was recruiting me at Johnson & Wales. I didn't really have a whole lot of interest in going to Johnson & Wales, but I thought it was cool that someone was recruiting me. I was super in call. I would pick up right away. I think if I had the mindset I was like, I'm never going to go there. I was just a jerk to him the whole time. When he got the job at UCCS, he wouldn't have called me and been like, hey, you want to come? I think that's a good lesson for a lot of the kids out there. You never know who you meet, what they're going to become, and what they can do for you. He saw it when no one else did. Was it tough then to be like, hey, I'm going to go to Boulder and transfer? Yeah, for sure. I have long ties with my family and people close to me. It was tough. I loved it there at UCCS. Like we had just won the RMAG, like we had just won the RMAG. did a lot of different things and so um like after the season i was like i'm gonna come back it'd be better like the strata kids division two national championship um but then like talking to people like i think it might be best for me and my career to uh go to ceo which is kind of i feel like it was like selfish like i didn't wait you could i lay i was like i'm the selfish with me but um i knew it would be the best for me and uh my best opportunity to get to the next level and so i had to kind of make the make the jump you don't hear that a lot from basketball players like i felt a little selfish about doing this um i didn't like that it's it is crazy though like how visual we are not just in sports but like everything right and i remember the combine in chicago because i used to host it for espn and one of my favorite scouts ever steve rosenberry and he's one of the best that i've ever talked to for 20 years and i forget which team he was with at the time but i got a little time with him in between you know whatever the television broadcast and he's like you know who's nasty and he points at you and i didn't know that much about you so i was like really and you're like trust me but like watch this guy play and i think that's probably something that you certainly understand because it happened to you but that there would almost be this dismissive way of like looking at you where it's like well that guy can't be that good and then you're running around out there and it's like anybody that really appreciates like how a really good basketball player plays the game and it also helped that you got over six feet finally when uh i know i know you're a bit of a late bloomer after high school but but it must be just be like hey man you're telling me my life story up until you know you started putting up some numbers with the spurs where it was just it almost felt like anytime anybody started with you it started with doubt about what you couldn't do yeah um i think i don't like i have like that wow factor like i think a lot of times especially in like those pre-draft things and you know like recruiting process like you're kind of looking for someone that kind of like wows you and i don't think i'll ever really have like every now and then i'll do some things you're like wow that was impressive but um over the most part like i don't think i have that wow factor um so i think i kind of just get overlooked overlooked but i think over the long long run that uh like what i do kind of works and i just gotta stick with it yeah it's i think it works i think it works kind of steve novak ended up playing hoops at marquette then has a long nba career including with the champion knicks where he's part of their studio coverage before all that he was the pride of brown deer high school in wisconsin we asked about his best recruiting story from that time we do this with all the guys that used to play i remember 15 years ago being at portsmouth invitational when i was watching you and i was like you know what i like about this guy is he's not just a catch and shoot guy i was like you know what because you know look the the list is long of white guys that can shoot that we forgot and i remember one of the first things with you i was like he can he can reset himself with the dribble i was like this is there's more there's more to this guy um and you end up having a long nba career but let's go back to brown deer wisconsin yeah when you're in high school and uh share your your favorite story from that time for us you know you're you know 16 17 years old and college coaches start calling and and showing you some love and i mean you really do you feel like you're on top of the world like you got it figured out and you're the man and then the i'll never ever forget the thing that made me feel like boy i must be doing something right is mike bibby was at usc mike bibby was attending me when i say thousands of letters i mean there was a day he sent me 2 000 letters to my house in brown deer wisconsin all individual envelopes that were packed by the i found out later they said the office girls with like inspirational quotes or like a handwritten like you should commit or you're gonna love it here or just an inspirational quote 2 000 letters all from usc that are like mail carrier would come with these postal crates and just drop them and it would be like we were having it looked like we were on eggs delivered or something for the year and it happened all the time sometimes it would be like 250 which is a lot of letters other times it was 2 000 letters from usc and coach bibby came and i remember he watched me you know i was using the gun the rebounding machine at brown deer high school and he was like i'm gonna come visit you and i'm gonna watch you shoot and he was the first coach i've ever seen and he was like i'm gonna come visit you and i'm gonna come visit you and i'm gonna come visit you and i'm gonna come visit you and i'm gonna come visit to tell me steve and you know you're getting recruited and obviously trying to make a kid feel good he said you're gonna play in the nba one day oh man you know when you're 17 years old he's sending you thousands of letters and he tells you you know hey you haven't even gone to college yet but i think you're gonna be an nba guy i've seen enough to know he said if you come and you do an official visit at usc we've never had a guy who's come to campus not commit he said you let me know when you want to come to usc and visit and i was kind of terrified to go visit because i was scared i was going to move to california and be so far away from the fam so i never went but i'll never forget those letters showing up and feeling like holy cow like this is this is awesome and the whole block was like what what is this you know what's going on here so it was a spectacle i love brown is there any brown deer high school gear available online oh we can we can make it happen i think the online store opens up every once in a while i can get the coaches the coach can give me a little password and a discount code for you brown deer falcons baby my dad was texting me he was my high school coach last night in the first half the referees this is just insane this is nuts and then the text once the run happened he's texting me i've never seen anything like this all caps outstanding you know exclamation point so coach mike novak he was at home in brown deer last night just loving the knicks and cheering him on that's awesome i love hearing that back after a quick word from our sponsors football is back and with draft king sportsbook september comes with a boost all september long opt in and get a 50 profit boost every game day with the draft kings game day boost pass new draft king sportsbook customers sign up with the code bss and get 50 profit boost every game day that's code bss in partnership with draft kings the 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brother-in-law okay all right but hey who knows i don't know i'm just saying face value that's not the craziest thing in the world right right unless my math is off i was less confused when i started reading it okay kyle is correct been listening since the van pelt days 5 11 and a half 190 unfortunately i tore my rotator cuff and beer league hockey so i'm rehabbing and in a max bench right now might be around the bar player comp would be brent seabrook nothing happening on the power player offensively but i'm a reliable stay-at-home defensive play the man not the puck all names have been changed so if you read the subject you know what's going on i'll list everyone's age because i think it's important i'm 28 let's call me jack my wife is 26 let's call her jolene jolene and i have been married for two years live in a high rise in a large midwestern city we're having such a good time being newlyweds and are trying to slow or going to slow down and we're going to slow down and i'm going to slow down but and try to have a family in a year or two. My wife's brother, let's call him Brad, is 24. sister let's call her emily is 23 all right well that part's okay different different dynamic were you thinking of something i thought it was like if it was a riddle like you know the doctor was actually his mom that's how she could operate on her son like my brother-in-law is sleeping with my sister it's like not a dime exactly yeah i was like my brother-in-law sleeping with my sister it's like you walk in her room with a hundred if she's married to him then that makes sense but this is not a man hangs from a rope uh yes were you afraid of like some some weird like result are you because there's some family dynamic blood relations is that where you started no it just almost seemed like a riddle that's not really a riddle it's like my brother-in-law sleeping with my sister it's like yeah if your sister's married because they're married totally yeah you know what i mean like exactly but this is outside of the normal lines here whatever it was stupid i almost wish i didn't say it now it's we're going on three minutes i'm i'm more confused by how ryan's confused about this now i yeah now i'm out it was so straightforward in the email immediately that i didn't know why we got derailed that's why i was confused because i didn't understand we're now you're yelling at me and i don't now it's like magnets who knows continue i'm worried about the blank stare of an inbred child yikes all right um so 23 24 they're both on our wedding jolene and emily are good friends that means his wife and sister they hang out by themselves often brad and i don't hang out because we live in different cities but whenever the family gets together he's the guy i usually hang out with to talk sports etc that's good uh we consider him a friend we don't text separately or anything like emily and jolene do but still friends we don't text separately we don't text together we don't text together we don't text together we don't text together we don't text together jolene and emily were out with a few other girls one night having a girl's night cocktail thing when a different girl at the party asked emily how's brad emily immediately freaked out and did the sh don't say anything to the girl jolene naturally says my brother um i'll expedite this story but later in the night maybe three or four more cosmos emily confesses jolene that she and brad have been seeing each other for a few months and asked jolene not to tell me jolene comes home and immediately tells me good way drunkenly tells me not to say anything to anyone and act like i don't know i looked at her processing a lot of information so my question for you guys is one is this weird obviously they're not blood related so there's nothing weird that way but trying to explain to someone my wife's brother and my sister are hooking up feels a little weird is it yeah just the sentence sounds weird even though yeah it isn't yeah should i be pissed off if yes at who the guy is here yeah how could you do this yeah it seems to me like everyone in the world knew about this except for jolene and i should i be pissed off at myself for being one of the only ones who weren't comfortable they weren't comfortable telling that they were hanging out no i don't think you should be mad about that at all we're kind of doing rapid fire here sorry guys uh what should i do should i go to emily and say that i know do i fight brad that option isn't happening because he played division two football offensive tackle and dylan playing weight um and he's the sports guy at the family functions like that's that's kind of valuable for you when you're on the road games you know do i tell our younger brother no he probably knows maybe i don't know actually maybe hey tim slow news day in the head for a week that's slow news dad do i got something for you do i not do anything both jolene and my parents are uh both jolene and my parents are divorced and kind of checked out on all of this so they probably don't give a shit number four i keep thinking that because they're obviously on different sides of the family so they won't be at the same functions but at some point if this continues people are going to eventually find out a lot of questions and probably some that i haven't even thought of yet any help would be appreciate kyle emily has a pet rabbit if that makes any difference just one though so rudy my sister and i are italian while my wife and her brother are as white as white can be if that makes any difference a little something for everyone in this one i think it was a zuri so i think it would be the envelope a little bit it would be cooler if there were one more degree separated definitely i think it probably matters the most to you if you're wondering what unrelated cousin you mean yeah best friend something like you know family longtime family like it would have been cooler if there was one more degree of separation but i did look this up and unless i got jumbled up with the math again identical twins marry each into like other identical twins kind of not often but i just i just said a google oh never mind it's extremely rare sorry it's called court quaternary marriage uh i've seen this phenomenon known as quaternary marriage so it's good enough for those guys i know and this is rare i'm not sure where that has to do with it numbers or extremely rare is it rare in the community i don't understand extremely rare probably less rare in the community than it is global numbers but i'm just saying it's done um and this is assuming that this makes i've read about this though kyle because those those those twins if they have kids their twins are technically siblings yeah yeah interesting interesting not good or bad interesting but uh interesting also not sure what has to do with this situation well isn't it the same thing it's like my brother married your sister it's kind of the same thing and that's assuming listen i'm right i'm two for two on these weird quandaries that we're talking about our heads i'm two for two you might not it might not seem like it but i'm dead on with this and that's assuming this even goes the long haul and it's not just like a weird couple of months that you know fell apart because everyone woke up and was like this is actually a little weird let's not do this so like it's weird for now but i think you gotta just assume this doesn't go all the way i i think you said but first off to them i think it's totally fair to like talk about this out loud you know with the four of you be like what's the end game here like it's just yeah but they don't know that i think that's a bullshit question like oh i have to we're gonna lock it up for you guys to approve this thing well it's it's weird like you could admit it that it's weird like i don't know i don't think i would want this situation to happen so like and it's totally fair for you to be like cool so you clearly didn't think this was cool is which is why you were hiding it from us and other people know so clearly you don't think it's all right or cool to share publicly so you think deep down something is wrong about it right or maybe that's the fun part for them i don't know yeah maybe this whole thing fizzles out once it's uh you know sees the light of day maybe you should tell your little brother you're like is he the wild card it's gonna say something no i'm not i'm just like they are hiding this from you clearly for a reason they think something is wrong about it they are correct could the emailer have a tendency to that they were like we don't okay but think of it this way the timeline of when people start hanging out then are officially dating and like how serious is this that thing is always in this gray area right well when did this first start well i don't know you know like it started i mean do i have to sit there and tell you the the date of the first sleepover like i don't have to tell you that um i don't know man i i do you think the italian thing has anything to do with it that he's assuming that he's supposed to do something here well i think if well he's got the sister in here so you know sister's italian if it was a male italian be like you know it's you know no but he's italian the emailer's italian this is an italian older brother or younger whatever yeah he's an italian brother and that's that probably has you watch enough movies and you start thinking like you actually don't have to do anything man okay but like if this got out publicly it'd be weird people would judge you and i'm not saying you have to care about whether all these people think i think obviously i do this so everyone does this we care about what other people think but this is weird man like i don't i don't know so like when i say what's the end game like you guys get married is that like otherwise what's the point here because it's like there's plenty of fish in the sea figure it out with somebody else because this is obviously super strange for everyone in the family that's involved it's probably unlikely that they get married i think because then you got to come out they're in their early 20s or mid 20s yeah the odds aren't great this is this is a this is a plus 750 that this is going to actually work out for them so you could probably just if you're the house the house wins when this when this fails so i don't know i feel like this doesn't happen very often that surprises me i can't think of anything i can think of that you know of or brothers and sisters don't find out because it's weird yeah if it was me i think probably at a at a barbecue i'm like oh my god i'm going to let it slip to my little brother by accident and uh i don't know it probably comes out eventually that's that's just thinking about me that's the thing they don't want it to get out right so if it does get out and you can just be like hey i'm pleading innocent here they're going to want they're going to be the ones that feel weird and awkward because it is weird brad's gonna be so friendly at the next event try to read you starts doing you favors you're gonna get a super thoughtful christmas gift like dude i thought we had a limit i thought we had a limit what the hell i feel like you guys aren't as worked up about this as i am i think that's very clear yeah i might be right up about it but like i feel like there should be some more i'm not the only one that's great that's i feel like i'm crazy here because you guys are like yeah whatever you know tell this tell this tell your brother what's the big deal what's the urgency i don't know like i would want some answers it's kind of strange yeah but i mean you know your psyche's already damaged the car's wrecked i mean we can't like what else can we do at this point like what we just gotta hope it we're gonna move on from here at some point I mean, it's probably a little shitty because you're like, you don't think that it's your fault, but you guys are definitely the reason these people know each other. So like, there's probably a little bit of that. Blame pie. You're at least at 25%. Yeah. Could you, could you have done something more? I don't know. Maybe I just had the problem with, with you asking the question where you would go, okay, well, if you're like, where's this going? It's like, I don't know where it's going. Just like everybody else that starts off dating. Like, yeah, sure. There is those, those relationships where it's just like, they knew right away that this was the person and like, those are great stories. Cool. Thank you. Thank you. That you knew immediately. I'm asking that saying like, do you like, do you love each other or are you just like think each other? Okay. What if they say no, like we're not in love? What's not good enough? Not good enough. You have to stop. Then just figure it out with somebody else. I don't know. It's like, you know, when wedding parties, like, you know, the singles like co-mingle and stuff like that. Like, I don't know. Maybe there's a little bit of weird feelings about it from somebody who like, maybe the, maybe the bride. Who's like, your friend shouldn't be doing that. But like, I know it's a little, it's again, one degree closer, but that's probably how this all started. Right. Not at a wedding, but like in that same sort of co-mingling. So I don't know what happens. It's, it's something that like, it's like, what's something that's not illegal, but is just, just feels wrong. Seagull hunting. Yeah. I don't know. Seagull hunting. That's a great answer actually. Sure. Yeah. That's a great answer. I guess. I guess. I mean, just like Jack's 26, he's not fucking Gandalf. Like you have to go to him and he's going to like sit there and say, no, would you say basically Saruti, you, you're telling us you would say absolutely not in an identical scenario. It's wrong. You would fight this. You'd get, you get the other Sarutis on your side and be like, we get to have a barbecue. Well, actually. Would you be, you'd be like, oh no, it's totally fine. Keep doing your thing. I'm not saying it's totally fine. I'm admitting. I'm admitting. And I'm agreeing with you that it's kind of weird. I don't like that. I'm getting angry here. I'm not even angry. You are getting a little. I know I'm not, but I'm not angry. I'm not. I'm really not. I'm just trying to prove my point. Like you wouldn't. You act like you would be pumped about this, but nobody's acting like that guy. Nobody's acting like that. You stop. Nobody's saying that they're pumped. I'm just like applying like some reality to this zoom out a little bit. If I'm a 23 year old and I like Brad, if my 26 year old brother. Is like, if you're not getting married, what's the point? I'm like, Hey, that's not the point of the question. You're taking that too. Literally. Okay. All right. I love, I love that. We played some different notes on this one. Yeah. I think if it's me with everything he has and it's my life, probably leaking this to my little brother by accident, which means I probably am trying to keep this to myself. But one day my feelings are going to change. Probably some Reeves involved. And it's like, maybe it's out of my hands now. I don't know. Here's the other thing. Kyle. Similar scenario. If you're Brad, you're not listening to anybody. And I know me at 26, you can't tell me anything. So I'd be like, thank you for your input, Jack. I'm going to go sleep with your sister again. Honestly, younger me is probably like, you're totally right. And I'm going to do exactly what I want to do anyway. I'm just going to tell him this and you know, whatever. So yeah, I'm not proud of that statement. I'm just saying that I've, I've known myself a long time. Correct. All right. Let's do a golf one. Buying golf lessons to improve my happiness. Six, three, one 90, no truly impressive gym stats because just getting there. Most days besides just getting there. Most days. Well, you're getting there. Basketball comp, Mike Miller, three of my friends and I old college roommates, still same city post-grad frequent our local golf courses about two times a month during the summer. We're 28 now, but I've been following the schedule for about four years. Naturally you think over that period, you improve your game, start to lower the handicap, you know, actually looking like you know how to play and get the ball in the hole. Unfortunately for one of the four of us, that is not the case. It's not due to a lack of effort, lack of sobriety, you name it. He was generally, he has generally been trying to get better at the game in the past year. What used to be the occasional shanks has developed into a barely being able to keep a ball in play. We continue to extend the invite to be good friends, but over the past year during the spell, he's been extremely unfun to play with throwing clubs, yelling. I just had a flashback to my league yesterday. Just giving up on interesting. It's too close to yesterday. I don't get it. No, I just, I don't get it. I've been golfing for probably about two years. Maybe we're creeping into the third year and I don't know. Stuff is still going the complete wrong direction at times. I guess we, I play once a week and we're keeping scorecards and stuff, which is the first time I really started doing that. And I still have fun, but man, that number is a big number. And, um, I don't know. My partner's pretty good, so I don't know. And when I play with my, with my dad, he's just like, I I'll leave having like a fun day and he'll be like, man, you should really get a lesson. It'll be fun then. I'm like, Jesus, I thought I had fun, but now it's in my head. So, uh, I need it. I need to have a hundred. Have I? No. Okay. Uh, I've done it in like a nine. No, I haven't. Nevermind. Never, never shot a 50. I see. I've got two buddies who both started in the last couple of years. One of them just broke. A hundred. And now the other one is just, he's a bit of a wreck. He's like the last guy who hasn't kissed a girl. And he's like, what? It's never going to happen. He just wants it to happen so bad. He wants to be good so bad. And the more he tries, the worse he is, I think. And, uh, it's just in his head now. Yeah. Put a new tip in my head and I'll just forget everything else. And the ball goes in a different direction. So anyway, we could get back on track, but I, I feel what this guy's talking about. Except for, I don't get as mad and I know I'm not good enough to get mad. And that'll just make whatever, uh, setting I've created by being the worst guy. Of the, of the foursome worse by getting mad. So I, I don't do that, but I was happier before I started counting. I've never hit the ball. Better scores are worse. So darkest before the dawn, brother, but here's the problem. This guy, if this guy sucks and he's throwing clubs, yelling, giving up on holes, bad vibes all around to quote the emailer here. Yeah. If you're not good, this is a lesson to everybody out there. If you're not good, beef, fake it. Keep it moving. Don't look for your, don't look for the Kirkland ball for more than 90 seconds. You know, like mushrooms with four other guys and you're not having a good time. Just tell them you're having a good time. The same thing as golf. Sure. Right. All right. So I'd excuse him if he were to just bring a good attitude. See, that's the thing. It's like if you suck, but you're like quick and you're just going, Hey, I'm having so much fun again, faking it. Um, but he turns sour. The second of all is a stripe down the fairway. I don't know why he expects every shot to be pure. Perfect. But I guess we all kind of do. I always try to be encouraging, giving him the benefit of the doubt, et cetera. But last weekend I hit my breaking point. I had to stay quiet for most of our round while I was riding in the car with him because he refused to talk since it was another one of those rounds. You think he wouldn't come if that kept being the case, but he still seems somewhat committed to wanting to play and get better upon returning home. I had an epiphany. His birthday's coming up and for everyone's benefit. What if we bought him golf lessons so he could get better and not drag everyone else he plays with? I don't think we, I don't think we ever bought him a birthday present. You're guys. Of course you didn't curious on how you would all react to being gifted that or what else you could do in my situation. Keep up the good work chance. I love it. I love it too. Sometimes it's anger though. Steve is performative. It's like, I know I'm you like you're doing so bad, especially if everyone else like stripes their drive and yours has gone. Like you almost need to be like outwardly something is wrong. This is not normal for me. So you like, sometimes the anger becomes a little performative just so you can be like, guys, I'm trying and I'm better than this. Uh, so I, you know, you could feed into it after a whole round, but I think sometimes that initial, it's like when you, you fuck up something, you know, fuck up a shot and you like, look at your hand, you know what I mean? Like I think some of that's a performative, so it's probably doesn't take it as seriously as like being offended. If you gave him a lesson, I'm not, I don't even like the guy I'll get mad if I'm playing bad for like a couple of holes and I'm just like, you know, I'm not talking a ton or like whatever short with people, but like it's a couple of holes. Like we're not the whole round that, that, that sucks. I do get really annoyed with the people who, as this guy said, if it's not a good shot every time, they're like, what happened? Like I have, I set up straight on my alignments, right? Like what about, and it's just like, Hey man, that's golf, dude, that's golf. Like you can like little things can change everything about your swing, about how the ball, like it just doesn't happen. If we all did this, we would all be on, you know, scratch golfers playing on tour. Um, I think it can go one of two ways though. The problem is it's a nice thought, but is, are they going to think like, is this kind of going to get his more head? Cause now he's like, Hey, these guys are like, they think I suck. They're not having fun. Now I have, it's going to put more pressure on him to be good if he gets the lesson. So it could, it could kind of backfire on you. I think the sentiment is right. It's a nice friend thing to do, but you know, your friend better than anyone else. How is he going to take this? Is he going to think this is a good gift or is he going to think this is kind of an asshole gift that you guys gave him because you think he sucks at golf? I mean, are you guys real friends? Like, do you point shit out about each other? That's uncomfortable. Like you're getting fat, you're going bald. You suck at golf. Like, are you those type of friends? If you are, like, would you get your fat friend a gym membership? Like it could go, you know, I could go one of two ways. I've had a couple of girlfriends that haven't loved that gift. Yeah. But see, that's, you got to be nicer than you have to be to your best friends. That's a fact. Everyone knows that. It's not breaking news. You got to sugarcoat it a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. How do I look in this dress? You can't really, you have to, you know, there's really only one answer to that. Like I took an absolute, not as good as you used to. I took an absolute beating at my group chat, like a bunch of strays over being fat. It was like, where the fuck did this go? I wouldn't even say anything. So every once in a while, you know are you those kind of friends or are you not that's the thing if you are don't even think about this get him a golf club get a golf uh what's it called get him a golf lesson and get a mean card to go with it like if that's if you guys actually are friends like that yeah he should want this he should be fine i don't know if he freaks out that kind of gives you your deal there that it's out you know he wants to keep showing up because again this stuff is so important always hammer the fact that you guys get together a couple times a month get boys together from college play you know this is supposed to be about you guys spending time together and not letting life take over in a way where it's like man we never hang out anymore so he should care about this and if you know this isn't like an intervention man okay it's just hey do you want to get a little bit better at golf we all bought you a lesson of your birthday and the fact that all three guys are doing it and you have the birthday thing and it's not coming out of nowhere i love the idea and if he reacts poorly to that then you're not going to get a lesson of your birthday you know maybe it's time to time to address be like hey you also suck and you suck to be around so fix fix one of them yeah we're trying to fix one you need to fix the other the last thing i'll say on that is a golf lesson is like i was trying to think of other things i know i have a couple in my life that like when i don't have that extra money or even when i do have that they're in their 20s late 20s right probably not flush with cash it's not a thing you'll think about buying yourself like it's like in the you know when you think about everything you have to pay for and like you gotta you gotta save money for those you know the nights out you know that cost 150 out of nowhere when you plan to spend 70 like you're not like i'm gonna pay a hundred dollars for a decent golf lesson it's just not a thing that your brain will budget for yourself often so it's actually kind of a great thing to get for someone else you know no it definitely is because i've how many guys be like hey i went to the range like not a lesson went to the range and like i hit a hundred balls and like yeah i felt good after the you know second half i'm like i'm striping it down the middle it's like yeah you're hitting the same shot a hundred times like and then you get on the club and you're on the course and you're annoyed about why why you can't replicate that it's like so yeah like that's the point of the lesson it's the sentiment is great it's awesome um but yeah you're gonna know your buddy better than anyone else so and a good golf i would say it costs more than you'd want to just frivolously throw away too i i think so you know it's i think it's actually a really nice gift well said well said thanks to tom thanks to kevin thanks to saruti thanks to kyle the ryan rosillo show barstool sports you